that was for 2nd edition. it's now horribly outdated.
it is also only available under an older, for-pay license that i'm not
sure it's actually possible to buy any more.
you don't actually want that set unless you're doing archeology.
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 8:04 PM, Daniel Lyons wrote:
>
> On Aug 6, 2009, at 6:59 PM, hiro wrote:
>
>> don't forget to take away the connectors from the power and reset
>> buttons, otherwise good security concepts;)
>
> Just out of curiosity, is it possible to simply unbind the console on one of
> th
On Thursday 06 August 2009 21:19:05 lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote:
> If you think it's worth it, then you need to put your money where your
> mouth is.
>
Like I said:
"Anyhow... I guess there's no reason to argue/debate! Looks like I
have some options"
... and later:
"[...] plus, I've already be
Looking at the very old mailing list archives, I noticed something
about a 3-disk (or was it 4-disk?) floppy-based distribution of the
earliest PC dist. Is that still available in some form? I just came
into possession of a stack of floppies and a pair of 486s and I'm
ready to dare to be stupid.
On Aug 6, 2009, at 10:19 PM, lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote:
I have direct experience as a contractor where I have entered
many a co-lo; and was unimpressed with their security to say the
least.
I had constant and easy access to a large number of nameless servers,
it's a nobrainer to access keyb
On Thursday 06 August 2009 21:19:36 lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote:
> > I have direct experience as a contractor where I have entered
> > many a co-lo; and was unimpressed with their security to say the least.
> > I had constant and easy access to a large number of nameless servers,
> > it's a nobraine
"Not surprisingly, given that it is a cross-desktop API, D-Bus will be
used to implement a protocol for extracting the needed secrets. "
some things never change. But no, I guess we should not be surprised.
ron
> I honestly can't believe that this is even up for debate!
>
> It's just bizarre.
It's not. Nothing stops one from putting the extra layer of security
in place, it's just a user-level change, just like it is in Unix to go
from single-user to multi-user mode. The fact that no-one has yet
fo
> I have direct experience as a contractor where I have entered
> many a co-lo; and was unimpressed with their security to say the least.
> I had constant and easy access to a large number of nameless servers,
> it's a nobrainer to access keyboard/monitor pairs in many of these places.
That would
> I honestly can't believe that this is even up for debate!
>
> It's just bizarre.
It's not. Nothing stops one from putting the extra layer of security
in place, it's just a user-level change, just like it is in Unix to go
from single-user to multi-user mode. The fact that no-one has yet
fo
On Thu Aug 6 19:36:22 EDT 2009, quans...@quanstro.net wrote:
> > I went through all the default during the install and during fmtfossil
> > I got a few
> >
> > matherror something and it crashed. I t wen too fast for me to take
> > notes.
>
> this is due to the awk problem reported this wee
j...@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote:
the kernel library include file (../port/lib.h)
does not have a pragma in it for %b. if this is
indeed a kernel driver you are writing then you
should add the pragma in the driver:
#pragma varargcktype"b" int
the reason the kernel does not just use
> These are reasonable questions (and many of them have "yes" as the
> answer ;-)) but I have a more
> fundamental objection here: the desktop is just NOT the place for such
> a functionality to originate from. The very
> concept of a fixed desktop that resides on a physical piece of
> hardwa
On Aug 6, 2009, at 6:59 PM, hiro wrote:
don't forget to take away the connectors from the power and reset
buttons, otherwise good security concepts;)
Just out of curiosity, is it possible to simply unbind the console on
one of these servers after bootup in some startup script? Or perhaps
this is silly. the philosophy has been explained. several people have
given lots of "real world" usage where it holds up just fine. i'd go
as far as to say the vast majority of plan9 installations are in such
environments.
but regardless, correcting what may be a whole in your environment is
easy;
On Aug 6, 2009, at 7:39 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
On Aug 6, 2009, at 12:33 PM, Daniel Lyons wrote:
It's easy for me to object to what they're coming up with but it
would be hard for me to describe in detail how exactly factotum +
all the other stuff encompass it, and I don't think that th
Hi Roman,
The price seems to be $118:
http://www.mini-box.com/Intel-D945GSEJT-Mini-ITX-Motherboard
Thanks
dharani
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 7:09 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
> On Aug 6, 2009, at 1:45 AM, Nick LaForge wrote:
>
>> This one still has a fan. Is there anything decent *and* fanless ou
> #include "u.h"
> #include "../port/lib.h"
> #include "mem.h"
> #include "dat.h"
> #include "fns.h"
Perhaps libc.h?
ak
On Aug 6, 2009, at 1:45 AM, Nick LaForge wrote:
This one still has a fan. Is there anything decent *and* fanless out
there?
Thanks,
Roman.
Intel's 'netbook' platform (no amd64) -- fanless, uses a 12V DC brick
-- for mini-itx:
http://www.intel.com/products/desktop/motherboards/D945GSEJT/D945GS
On Aug 6, 2009, at 12:33 PM, Daniel Lyons wrote:
It's easy for me to object to what they're coming up with but it
would be hard for me to describe in detail how exactly factotum +
all the other stuff encompass it, and I don't think that the paper
we have on factotum or the section in nemo's
> Incidentially I may use this at home to protect my servers console
> against my 2 year old who rather likes keyboards, though this is
> a different type of security.
In that situation, the most important security measure it
to place the power switch at an altitude beyond the little
one's reach.
On Aug 6, 2009, at 11:13 AM, erik quanstrom wrote:
poorly. massive, overengineered, and yet lacking:
http://lwn.net/Articles/344117
This looks like a case in desperate need of Peter Gutmann's Wave
Therapy:
http://diswww.mit.edu/bloom-picayune/crypto/14238
"Whenever someone thinks tha
> It also seems that most of organizations I know have that same kind
> of permanency in place even at HR level. If you leave the company
> and then get rehired you feel like you've never left -- you badge id
> and sorts of HR assigned credentials are simply enabled, not created
> anew. Don't know
erik quanstrom wrote:
i believe you need to update your libc.h. you need pragmas for
the "b" format, which were added 2007/0108.
- erik
I'm using a distribution downloaded about 2 months ago. The machine has
been installed from scratch.
perhaps you have not included everyth
don't forget to take away the connectors from the power and reset
buttons, otherwise good security concepts;)
On Thursday 06 August 2009 17:01:30 John Floren wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 4:28 PM, Corey wrote:
> > I honestly can't believe that this is even up for debate!
> >
> > It's just bizarre.
>
> Oh, if we're just protecting against people wandering by who are
> obviously there by mistake--since
> > i believe you need to update your libc.h. you need pragmas for
> > the "b" format, which were added 2007/0108.
> >
> > - erik
> >
> >
> >
> >
> I'm using a distribution downloaded about 2 months ago. The machine has
> been installed from scratch.
perhaps you have not included everything n
On Aug 6, 2009, at 1:08 PM, Anselm R Garbe wrote:
Hi there,
I revived the 9base project which was asleep for nearly 3 years som
days ago and created a new version based on Russ' plan9port from
20090731. You can download it from:
http://code.suckless.org/dl/tools/9base-3.tar.gz
its project pa
erik quanstrom wrote:
On Thu Aug 6 20:03:20 EDT 2009, a.vera...@tecmav.com wrote:
Hi, all
I'm trying to convert integers in text binary format by sprint(...,
"%b", i),
but 8c issue a "format mismatch b INT" warning message.
Can anyone kindly explain to me my mistake ?
Doesn't "%b" be
On Aug 6, 2009, at 4:47 AM, erik quanstrom wrote:
Works like a charm. Knowing the the correct manual page(s) to be
looking
at certainly helps!
I can't help though but be curious as to why there's no command, or
an additional switch to changeuser, to remove users from the keyfile.
I guess du
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 5:01 PM, John Floren wrote:
>
> Oh, if we're just protecting against people wandering by who are
> obviously there by mistake--since we're discounting anyone coming
> prepared for serious maliciousness--how about just not having a
> terminal connected to your file server? My
Short form:
on today's machines, if someone gets physical access, you're owned.
Not much more to say except that with the kind of features vendors
insist on embedding in the systems, you can easily be owned without
physical access -- see the recent Black Hat articles, and I'm not
naming names so I
On Thu Aug 6 20:03:20 EDT 2009, a.vera...@tecmav.com wrote:
> Hi, all
>
> I'm trying to convert integers in text binary format by sprint(...,
> "%b", i),
> but 8c issue a "format mismatch b INT" warning message.
>
> Can anyone kindly explain to me my mistake ?
> Doesn't "%b" behave like the
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 4:28 PM, Corey wrote:
> On Thursday 06 August 2009 01:19:35 Robert Raschke wrote:
>> On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 8:52 AM, Corey wrote:
>
>> > That wasn't a rhetorical question. Why bother locking your door?
>> >
>> > Any intruder worth his weight in salt can circumvent such a s
Hi, all
I'm trying to convert integers in text binary format by sprint(...,
"%b", i),
but 8c issue a "format mismatch b INT" warning message.
Can anyone kindly explain to me my mistake ?
Doesn't "%b" behave like the other integer format specifications ?
Thanks in advance
adriano
> I went through all the default during the install and during fmtfossil
> I got a few
>
> matherror something and it crashed. I t wen too fast for me to take notes.
this is due to the awk problem reported this week. i'll roll up
another cd this evening.
with ide turned off, you probablly j
On Thursday 06 August 2009 01:19:35 Robert Raschke wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 8:52 AM, Corey wrote:
> > That wasn't a rhetorical question. Why bother locking your door?
> >
> > Any intruder worth his weight in salt can circumvent such a simple
> > security mechanism with ease.
>
> Why lock
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 2:43 AM, Steve Simon wrote:
> I have had loads of problems trying to build a new machine,
> Erik has helpd way beyond the call of duty, and finally I
> have a working machine.
>
> The problems where:
> realteck rtl8169 GigE - erik's driver works a treat
> An int
Hi there,
I revived the 9base project which was asleep for nearly 3 years som
days ago and created a new version based on Russ' plan9port from
20090731. You can download it from:
http://code.suckless.org/dl/tools/9base-3.tar.gz
its project page can be found at:
http://tools.suckless.org/9ba
Hi Geoff,
I would also like to request a directory in sources/contrib, to store
a stream wrapper around sam (ssam), a script which uses mk to
parallelize a command over a set of arguments (apply), a script to
port ksh/bash scripts to rc (torc), et cetera. Many thanks.
Jason Catena (jdc)
> 270 web form passwords or internet passwords in my keychain. Does
> factotum handle web passwords?
yes, it does. abaco and hget already use factotum
for http passwords.
> with me. Could factotum be adapt to integrate with a browser and store
> web form secrets? If so that would be a compe
On Aug 6, 2009, at 12:13 PM, erik quanstrom wrote:
poorly. massive, overengineered, and yet lacking:
http://lwn.net/Articles/344117
Ugh.
A brief apology on their behalf, though. I have been trying to
understand the workings of factotum, secstore, auth/keyfs and whatnot
for a while and
Hello Geoff,
I wanted to ask you for a directory in sources/contrib. I sent an
email to cont...@plan9.bell-labs.com some time ago, but it looks like
it got lost and some people on #9fans told me to contact with you. I
just want to store there some rio and acme patches I have. Thanks in
advance (and
i just pushed an update of nupas to sources.
it fixes a few bugs, including
- a recursive sync loop has been eliminated..
(this has been the source of some mystery crashes)
- dualing upas/fs operating on the same mbox
no longer miss deletions. the fix is less than elegant.
also on 27 jul, a crash
> you need to read and write the same file descriptor. (i'm
> not sure why i would use this instead of grep, even for http
> queries.) <>[fd] is rc syntax for opening a file for r/w.
> here's an example of opening fd 3 rw, then sending the
> query into that fd and reading the results back:
for i
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 11:30 PM, John Floren wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 11:15 PM, Corey wrote:
> > On Wednesday 05 August 2009 19:42:54 Anthony Sorace wrote:
> >> > * I hope I don't get beat up on this one (well, I hope I don't get too
> >> > beat up on _any_ of these questions...), but it s
On Thu Aug 6 04:50:48 EDT 2009, fus...@storytotell.org wrote:
> I googled around and haven't found anything, but I notice there is a
> file /sys/src/cmd/aux/searchfs.c, and a corresponding binary aux/
> searchfs. The code doesn't seem to explain what it does very well but
> it piqued my curio
> That wasn't a rhetorical question. Why bother locking your door?
> Any intruder worth his weight in salt can circumvent such a simple
> security mechanism with ease.
[...]
> Out of X number of would-be intruders, only a small fraction of those would,
> under most circumstances, have the balls a
> Works like a charm. Knowing the the correct manual page(s) to be looking
> at certainly helps!
>
> I can't help though but be curious as to why there's no command, or
> an additional switch to changeuser, to remove users from the keyfile.
> I guess due to Plan 9's simplicity motto?
[...]
> I
> hi,
> did anyone succeed to install out-of-the-box when target HD is /dev/sdE0, and
> CD is on /dev/sdE1 ?
> i did not succeed with install on SATA from IDE CD. i ask before i go to buy
> a SATA DVD.
> i promise to update wiki 'installation' page when i succeed ;-)
yes. i didn't have any prob
I suspect you could change your BIOS to run SATA in Legacy mode and you will
find your drives will now appear as /dev/sdC0 and /dev/sdD0 though I cannot
promise anything.
It is preferable to run SATA in native mode, and you could change back after
installation though your fossil config, venti conf
hi,
did anyone succeed to install out-of-the-box when target HD is /dev/sdE0, and
CD is on /dev/sdE1 ?
i did not succeed with install on SATA from IDE CD. i ask before i go to buy a
SATA DVD.
i promise to update wiki 'installation' page when i succeed ;-)
thanks, regards,
++pac.
I cannot imageine the senario where random people will have access
to the cpu/auth/file server's consoles. It just doesn't happen
if you are serious about security.
However if you want to protect your console against your friends
I wrote a script to do it /n/sources/contrib/steve/rc/conslock
you m
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 8:52 AM, Corey wrote:
>
> I imagine this is probably a subject full of landmines, so I don't want to
> start a war! I won't press the issue, just want to respond to this, and
> then I'll just leave the status quo well enough alone.
>
> I respect those opinions which differ
Forgot to mention, I tried to start /boot/usbd manually, i got error
messages, it said that the epX.Y and port numbers are busy or
something (i dont have the exact error message here, sorry).
2009/8/5 Francisco J Ballesteros :
> It seems you dont have usbd running.
>
> El 05/08/2009, a las 17:51,
> This one still has a fan. Is there anything decent *and* fanless out
> there?
>
> Thanks,
> Roman.
Intel's 'netbook' platform (no amd64) -- fanless, uses a 12V DC brick
-- for mini-itx:
http://www.intel.com/products/desktop/motherboards/D945GSEJT/D945GSEJT-overview.htm
Nick
I googled around and haven't found anything, but I notice there is a
file /sys/src/cmd/aux/searchfs.c, and a corresponding binary aux/
searchfs. The code doesn't seem to explain what it does very well but
it piqued my curiosity.
What's this do and how is it intended to be used? I don't know
I imagine this is probably a subject full of landmines, so I don't want to
start a war! I won't press the issue, just want to respond to this, and
then I'll just leave the status quo well enough alone.
I respect those opinions which differ from my own.
On Wednesday 05 August 2009 23:30:38 John
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