Re: [zfs-discuss] does zfs can be failover between two mechine?

2006-08-25 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Hawk,

Friday, August 25, 2006, 3:55:17 AM, you wrote:

HT> like two host share the storage, does in can failover ?
HT> does zfs can be stop and restart in cli?

Yes, You either need Sun Cluster (3.2 beta supports ZFS) or do it
manually by using zpool import/export.

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[zfs-discuss] Re: 3510 - some new tests

2006-08-25 Thread Robert Milkowski
1. ZFS on top of LUN, atime=off, nthreads set to 64

   IO Summary:  1008724 ops 16698.4 ops/s, (2569/2570 r/w)  82.0mb/s,
286us cpu/op,   9.8ms latency
   IO Summary:  1004646 ops 16617.3 ops/s, (2556/2557 r/w)  81.5mb/s,
283us cpu/op,  10.0ms latency

2. UFS on top of LUN (the same as in #1), noatime, nthreads set to 64

   IO Summary:  641008 ops 10606.0 ops/s, (1632/1632 r/w)  51.8mb/s,
417us cpu/op,  16.5ms latency
   IO Summary:  631543 ops 10452.8 ops/s, (1608/1609 r/w)  51.0mb/s,
410us cpu/op,  16.2ms latency
 
 
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[zfs-discuss] Re: 3510 - some new tests

2006-08-25 Thread Robert Milkowski
nthreads set to 256

1. ZFS, atime=off, HW raid-10 24 disks

   IO Summary:  1545154 ops 25594.2 ops/s, (3935/3939 r/w) 122.7mb/s,
288us cpu/op,  20.0ms latency

2. UFS, noatime, HW raid-10 24 disks

   IO Summary:  716377 ops 11862.4 ops/s, (1823/1826 r/w)  56.1mb/s,
432us cpu/op,  23.2ms latency

So looks like the more concurency the better ZFS is comparing to UFS.
 
 
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[zfs-discuss] Oracle on ZFS

2006-08-25 Thread przemolicc
Hi all,

Does anybody use Oracle on ZFS in production (but not as a
background/testing database but as a front line) ?
I am interesting especially in:
- how does it behave after a long time of using it. Becasue COW nature
  of ZFS I don't know how it influences performance of queries.
- general opinion of such pair (ZFS + Oracle)
- which version of Oracle

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[zfs-discuss] zpool status panics server

2006-08-25 Thread Neal Miskin
Hi 

I have just set up a basic pool (of one disk). When I remove the disk and run 
zpool status the server panics and reboots. Is this expected behaviour?

thanks

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Re: [zfs-discuss] Oracle on ZFS

2006-08-25 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello przemolicc,

Friday, August 25, 2006, 3:51:53 PM, you wrote:

ppf> Hi all,

ppf> Does anybody use Oracle on ZFS in production (but not as a
ppf> background/testing database but as a front line) ?

Not exactly front-line but devel Oracle instances and warehouse.

It works. However no performance comparisons were done.

Remember to set recordsize.


ppf> I am interesting especially in:
ppf> - how does it behave after a long time of using it. Becasue COW nature
ppf>   of ZFS I don't know how it influences performance of queries.
ppf> - general opinion of such pair (ZFS + Oracle)
ppf> - which version of Oracle

Oracle 10 in a zones.

Also remember that some performance patches aren't yet in S10.
Especially fix for not reading block is full overwrite is issued which
can hurt performance. But once patch is released (someone stated it
should be available at the end of September with other fixes).

I doubt you will find many (if any) fron-line Oracle on ZFS running
for a long time...



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Re: [zfs-discuss] zpool status panics server

2006-08-25 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Neal,

Friday, August 25, 2006, 4:12:53 PM, you wrote:

NM> Hi 

NM> I have just set up a basic pool (of one disk). When I remove the
NM> disk and run zpool status the server panics and reboots. Is this expected 
behaviour?

Unfortunately yes.

When ZFS can't write to a pool then it panics system.

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[zfs-discuss] Re: zpool status panics server

2006-08-25 Thread Neal Miskin
Hi Robert

>When ZFS can't write to a pool then it panics system.

Thanks for the info.
I find this hard to understand though, the same wouldnt happen for VxVM or SVM. 
Is this a flaw with zfs?

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Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: zpool status panics server

2006-08-25 Thread Dana H. Myers
Neal Miskin wrote:
> Hi Robert
> 
>> When ZFS can't write to a pool then it panics system.
> 
> Thanks for the info.
> I find this hard to understand though, the same wouldnt happen for VxVM or 
> SVM. Is this a flaw with zfs?

It is ZFS bug 6322646; a flaw.

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[zfs-discuss] Re: Re: zpool status panics server

2006-08-25 Thread Neal Miskin
Hi Dana

>It is ZFS bug 6322646; a flaw.

Is this fixed in a patch yet?

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Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: zpool status panics server

2006-08-25 Thread George Wilson

Neal,

This is not fixed yet. Your best best is to run a replicated pool.

Thanks,
George

Neal Miskin wrote:

Hi Dana


It is ZFS bug 6322646; a flaw.


Is this fixed in a patch yet?

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[zfs-discuss] Re: Re: Re: zpool status panics server

2006-08-25 Thread Neal Miskin
>Your best best is to run a replicated pool.

Thanks George, will do

BTW is the best way to learn ZFS reading the ZFS Admin Guide or do Sun run more 
in-depth courses?

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Re: [zfs-discuss] Oracle on ZFS

2006-08-25 Thread Daniel Rock

[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb:

Hi all,

Does anybody use Oracle on ZFS in production (but not as a
background/testing database but as a front line) ?


I haven't used in production yet - but I'm planning by the end of the year. I 
did some performance stress tests on ZFS vs. UFS+SVM. For testing I used the 
TPC-H benchmark as base and tested on SAN (Symmetrix DMX1000 storage).


The test consists of four parts:

1. creation of database (CREATE DATABASE ...; @catalog.sql; @catproc.sql)
2. Importing Test data with sqlldr (TPC-H target size of 2 GB)
3. Run a single instance of the TPC-H benchmark
4. Run 4 (2 * NCPU) instances of the TPC-H benchmark

Test 1: UFS performed slightly better
Test 2: performance of UFS vs. ZFS was similar
Test 3: ZFS was somewhat faster (<10%)
Test 4: ZFS was much faster (>20%)

Summing up the runtime of all 4 tests ZFS was ~12% faster (248 mins to 280 
mins).



I am interesting especially in:
- how does it behave after a long time of using it. Becasue COW nature
  of ZFS I don't know how it influences performance of queries.


I filled up the pool with random data so that the pool reached 100% usage
during the benchmark (The benchmark needs a huge TEMP tablespace (with above 
2GB data TEMP grew up to 20GB), so you can expect a lot of write I/O) The 
total performance dropped just by 1-2%




- general opinion of such pair (ZFS + Oracle)


Use compression and save a lot of space. Expect a space reduction of >50% by 
using compression even with filled up tablespaces. Oracle just worked on ZFS, 
no "strange" results.


I had one panic, but this was related to the Emulex FC device driver, not to 
ZFS (in the meantime a Emulex patch has been released (120222/120223), don't 
know if it fixes this panic)


The total runtime didn't change during my tests (<1%) if compression was 
turned on compared to compression off. The CPU usage increased by ~15%. So if 
you have fast CPUs give the CPUs something to do instead of just fooling around.




- which version of Oracle


This was Oracle 10g R2 on a FSC PrimePower (2 x 1350 MHz, 4 GB RAM) with 
Solaris 10 06/06.
Currently I have only an older Xeon box with SAN connectivity for Solaris/x86 
but Oracle 10gR2 still isn't released on 32bit x86 platforms[1]. 10gR1 needed 
much more space in the TEMP tablespace so I couldn't complete the tests.



[1] 
http://www.oracle.com/technology/software/products/database/oracle10g/index.html



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Re: [zfs-discuss] does anybody port the zfs webadmin to webmin?

2006-08-25 Thread Richard Elling - PAE

Hawk Tsai wrote:

Webmin is faster and light weight compared to SMC.


... and most people don't know it ships with Solaris.  See webmin(1m) and
webminsetup(1m).
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Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: Re: zpool status panics server

2006-08-25 Thread Cindy Swearingen

Hi Neal,

The ZFS administration class, available in the fall, I think, covers
basically the same content as the ZFS admin guide only with extensive
lab exercises.

If you're an experienced admin, I think you can pick up most of
the basic features from the ZFS Admin Guide. If you can't, please
let me know...

Cindy

Neal Miskin wrote:

Your best best is to run a replicated pool.



Thanks George, will do

BTW is the best way to learn ZFS reading the ZFS Admin Guide or do Sun run more 
in-depth courses?

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Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: Re: zpool status panics server

2006-08-25 Thread Luke Scharf




Neal Miskin wrote:

  
Your best best is to run a replicated pool.

  
  
Thanks George, will do

BTW is the best way to learn ZFS reading the ZFS Admin Guide or do Sun run more in-depth courses?
  

I found the ZFS Administration Guide to be very-much worth the time I
spent reading it, and I was very ready to start experimenting on my own
after only reading a quarter of it.

-Luke




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Re: [zfs-discuss] does anybody port the zfs webadmin to webmin?

2006-08-25 Thread Boyd Adamson

On 26/08/2006, at 4:32 AM, Richard Elling - PAE wrote:

Hawk Tsai wrote:

Webmin is faster and light weight compared to SMC.


... and most people don't know it ships with Solaris.  See webmin 
(1m) and

webminsetup(1m).
 -- richard


I suspect the real question was that in the subject, but not in the  
body of the email (why do people do that?)


Anyway, I'm not aware of any port of ZFS management to webmin, but  
there *is* the ZFS web interface already.


Boyd

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[zfs-discuss] zfs list - unexpected error 17 at line 1684

2006-08-25 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello zfs-discuss,

S10U2 + patches, SPARC

I was destroying zvol and issuing zfs list -o name,volsize,refer.
While destroy was in progress zfs list worked ok, then I got error 4-5
times and then after volume was destroyed it started to work again.

bash-3.00# zfs list -o name,volsize,refer
internal error: unexpected error 17 at line 1684 of ../common/libzfs_dataset.c


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Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] Re: Significant "pauses" during zfs writes

2006-08-25 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Michael,

Wednesday, August 23, 2006, 12:49:28 PM, you wrote:

MSSM> Roch wrote:


MSSM> I sent this output offline to Roch, here's the essential ones and (first)
MSSM> his reply:

>> So it looks like this:
>> 
>> 6421427 netra x1 slagged by NFS over ZFS leading to long spins in the ATA 
>> driver code"
>> http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6421427
>> 

Is there any workarounds?
Or maybe some code not yeyt integrated to try?


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