[weewx-user] weewx no longer starts after restart, reinstallation stops

[J. H.]

Linux s2 5.10.0-28-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.10.209-2 (2024-01-31) x86_64 
GNU/Linux



1 nicht vollständig installiert oder entfernt.
Nach dieser Operation werden 0 B Plattenplatz zusätzlich benutzt.
Möchten Sie fortfahren? [J/n] j
weewx (5.0.2-1) wird eingerichtet ...
Using weewx:weewx as user:group
Saving old defaults to /etc/default/weewx-20240423105229
Creating /etc/default/weewx
Using configuration file /etc/weewx/weewx.conf
Processing configuration file /etc/weewx/weewx.conf
Saving configuration file /etc/weewx/weewx.conf
User r7598 is already in group weewx
Installing systemd units
Installing udev rules
Configuring database directory /var/lib/weewx
Configuring reporting directory /var/www/html/weewx
Setting permissions weewx:weewx on /etc/weewx
Enabling startup using systemd
Starting weewxd using systemd

Fortschritt: [ 33%] 
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Re: [weewx-user] weewx no longer starts after restart, reinstallation stops

[Tom Keffer]

I am not sure what we're looking at here. Did the installation hang, and
not proceed, at this point?

What is in the log?

On Tue, Apr 23, 2024 at 2:00 AM J. H.  wrote:

> Linux s2 5.10.0-28-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.10.209-2 (2024-01-31) x86_64
> GNU/Linux
>
>
>
> 1 nicht vollständig installiert oder entfernt.
> Nach dieser Operation werden 0 B Plattenplatz zusätzlich benutzt.
> Möchten Sie fortfahren? [J/n] j
> weewx (5.0.2-1) wird eingerichtet ...
> Using weewx:weewx as user:group
> Saving old defaults to /etc/default/weewx-20240423105229
> Creating /etc/default/weewx
> Using configuration file /etc/weewx/weewx.conf
> Processing configuration file /etc/weewx/weewx.conf
> Saving configuration file /etc/weewx/weewx.conf
> User r7598 is already in group weewx
> Installing systemd units
> Installing udev rules
> Configuring database directory /var/lib/weewx
> Configuring reporting directory /var/www/html/weewx
> Setting permissions weewx:weewx on /etc/weewx
> Enabling startup using systemd
> Starting weewxd using systemd
>
> Fortschritt: [ 33%]
> [##...
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Re: [weewx-user] weewx no longer starts after restart, reinstallation stops

[J. H.]

Exactly, the log shows nothing and the installation hangs or the start does 
not work.

Tom Keffer schrieb am Dienstag, 23. April 2024 um 16:35:26 UTC+2:

> I am not sure what we're looking at here. Did the installation hang, and 
> not proceed, at this point?
>
> What is in the log?
>
> On Tue, Apr 23, 2024 at 2:00 AM J. H.  wrote:
>
>> Linux s2 5.10.0-28-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.10.209-2 (2024-01-31) x86_64 
>> GNU/Linux
>>
>>
>>
>> 1 nicht vollständig installiert oder entfernt.
>> Nach dieser Operation werden 0 B Plattenplatz zusätzlich benutzt.
>> Möchten Sie fortfahren? [J/n] j
>> weewx (5.0.2-1) wird eingerichtet ...
>> Using weewx:weewx as user:group
>> Saving old defaults to /etc/default/weewx-20240423105229
>> Creating /etc/default/weewx
>> Using configuration file /etc/weewx/weewx.conf
>> Processing configuration file /etc/weewx/weewx.conf
>> Saving configuration file /etc/weewx/weewx.conf
>> User r7598 is already in group weewx
>> Installing systemd units
>> Installing udev rules
>> Configuring database directory /var/lib/weewx
>> Configuring reporting directory /var/www/html/weewx
>> Setting permissions weewx:weewx on /etc/weewx
>> Enabling startup using systemd
>> Starting weewxd using systemd
>>
>> Fortschritt: [ 33%] 
>> [##... 
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Re: [weewx-user] weewx no longer starts after restart, reinstallation stops

[Tom Keffer]

What happens when you try to start weewx? Post the log, please.

On Tue, Apr 23, 2024 at 7:54 AM J. H.  wrote:

> Exactly, the log shows nothing and the installation hangs or the start
> does not work.
>
> Tom Keffer schrieb am Dienstag, 23. April 2024 um 16:35:26 UTC+2:
>
>> I am not sure what we're looking at here. Did the installation hang, and
>> not proceed, at this point?
>>
>> What is in the log?
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 23, 2024 at 2:00 AM J. H.  wrote:
>>
>>> Linux s2 5.10.0-28-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.10.209-2 (2024-01-31) x86_64
>>> GNU/Linux
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 1 nicht vollständig installiert oder entfernt.
>>> Nach dieser Operation werden 0 B Plattenplatz zusätzlich benutzt.
>>> Möchten Sie fortfahren? [J/n] j
>>> weewx (5.0.2-1) wird eingerichtet ...
>>> Using weewx:weewx as user:group
>>> Saving old defaults to /etc/default/weewx-20240423105229
>>> Creating /etc/default/weewx
>>> Using configuration file /etc/weewx/weewx.conf
>>> Processing configuration file /etc/weewx/weewx.conf
>>> Saving configuration file /etc/weewx/weewx.conf
>>> User r7598 is already in group weewx
>>> Installing systemd units
>>> Installing udev rules
>>> Configuring database directory /var/lib/weewx
>>> Configuring reporting directory /var/www/html/weewx
>>> Setting permissions weewx:weewx on /etc/weewx
>>> Enabling startup using systemd
>>> Starting weewxd using systemd
>>>
>>> Fortschritt: [ 33%]
>>> [##...
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Re: [weewx-user] Replacement for Vantage Pro 2

[Tom Hogland]

The panel is easy - swap the door and plug it in. The CR123 battery is 
easy, and also there's a DC input on the board that you can directly run AC 
power in via an appropriate wall-wart. That's what I have to do in Alaska, 
otherwise the long winters drain everything...

On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 4:09:23 PM UTC-8 Graham Eddy wrote:

> i replaced my then-18yo cracked & peeling solar panel with a nice new one 
> - just required plugging panel’s lead into ISS
> *⊣GE⊢*
>
> On 23 Apr 2024, at 2:00 AM, vince  wrote:
>
> perhaps a solar panel ($55) will handle the data problems, but I'd suggest 
> doing just the battery first to see.
>
>
>

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Re: [weewx-user] Replacement for Vantage Pro 2

[Marius Schamschula]

I've had this kind of a failure in the past. If the super-capacitor fails 
it regularly drains the battery (I had to replace mine several times a 
year). A new motherboard fixes this. I also had replaced the solar panel, 
but that made no difference.

Unfortunately, ants got into the housing a few years later, and I ended up 
having to replace the entire unit. 
On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 2:54:00 PM UTC-5 Tom Hogland wrote:

> The panel is easy - swap the door and plug it in. The CR123 battery is 
> easy, and also there's a DC input on the board that you can directly run AC 
> power in via an appropriate wall-wart. That's what I have to do in Alaska, 
> otherwise the long winters drain everything...
>
> On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 4:09:23 PM UTC-8 Graham Eddy wrote:
>
>> i replaced my then-18yo cracked & peeling solar panel with a nice new one 
>> - just required plugging panel’s lead into ISS
>> *⊣GE⊢*
>>
>> On 23 Apr 2024, at 2:00 AM, vince  wrote:
>>
>> perhaps a solar panel ($55) will handle the data problems, but I'd 
>> suggest doing just the battery first to see.
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [weewx-user] Replacement for Vantage Pro 2

['Daniel Rich' via weewx-user]

Thanks for the reply! (And thanks also Graham and Tom)

I replaced the battery a while back when I first started having issues, I 
suspect the solar panel is shot so it no longer charges. The panel prices have 
gone up — $86.57 with shipping. Given that I’m within driving distance of their 
offices, you would think I could at least save on the shipping! :-)

Between yours and a couple other replies, it sounds like my best bet is to go 
ahead and repair this station — especially since I already have the UV sensor 
and the station does everything I want.

It also looks like their tune up kit isn’t an option, as it isn’t compatible 
with the old rain gauge that I have. I would probably have to replace the whole 
thing with the newer Aerocone. I may need to call them and check.

— 
Dan Rich  |   http://www.employees.org/~drich/
   |  "Step up to red alert!"  "Are you sure, sir?
   |   It means changing the bulb in the sign..."
   |  - Red Dwarf (BBC)




> On Apr 22, 2024, at 09:00, vince  wrote:
> 
> Based on your description it sounds like a new battery (CR123 - $10) and 
> perhaps a solar panel ($55) will handle the data problems, but I'd suggest 
> doing just the battery first to see.
> 
> Adding UV/solar to a Davis is crazy expensive.  There seem to be a lot of 
> different replacement rain gauge assemblies available in the $60-85 range if 
> you poke around online at Scaled Instruments (link 
> ).
>   Those guys are pretty responsive in my experience if you want to email 
> questions.
> 
> You could probably sell your VP2 for more than the price of whatever you're 
> thinking of replacing it with.
> 
> On Monday, April 22, 2024 at 8:34:33 AM UTC-7 wwwd...@gmail.com wrote:
>> My Vantage Pro 2 is showing its age. The solar panel needs to be replaced, 
>> as I'm losing the station connection once the sun goes down and regularly 
>> having issues with the rain gauge not registering rainfall. I know that I 
>> can send it into Davis for a tune up ($225 do buy the parts, $400+ if they 
>> do it), but given the cost of that I'm wondering if it is just time to 
>> replace it. It also doesn't give me warm fuzzies that I never heard back 
>> from them when I tried to contact them about a repair.
>> 
>> Does anyone have a recommendation for a replacement station that doesn't 
>> break the bank like the Vantage Pro? Ideally I would like to have the same 
>> basic sensors and be able to add UV and solar radiation, as I use that to 
>> make sure my rooftop solar is producing appropriately. And of course, 
>> continuing to work with weewx is a requirement! :-)
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 

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Re: [weewx-user] Replacement for Vantage Pro 2

[Charlie Fortner]

On Tue, Apr 23, 2024, at 16:20, 'Daniel Rich' via weewx-user wrote:
> The panel prices have gone up — $86.57 with shipping. 

That's very expensive. Have you looked at Scaled Instruments? Vince included a 
link to their selection of Davis parts in an earlier message. I've ordered many 
parts and at least one VP2 from them. They are very helpful and their prices 
are good.


Charlie

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Re: [weewx-user] Replacement for Vantage Pro 2

[vince]

Highly recommend Scaled. Use their contact link if you have questions.  The 
other vendor was Scientific Sales but they don’t seem to have many parts 
anymore.  Both had great customer service for me.

On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 1:47:22 PM UTC-7 Charlie Fortner wrote:

> On Tue, Apr 23, 2024, at 16:20, 'Daniel Rich' via weewx-user wrote:
>
> The panel prices have gone up — $86.57 with shipping. 
>
>
> That's very expensive. Have you looked at Scaled Instruments? Vince 
> included a link to their selection of Davis parts in an earlier message. 
> I've ordered many parts and at least one VP2 from them. They are very 
> helpful and their prices are good.
>
>
> Charlie
>
>

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Re: [weewx-user] Replacement for Vantage Pro 2

[Jeff A. D.]

It sounds to me that Marius is most likely correct.  If it's working during 
the day then the solar panel must be working, and the bad supercap is 
draining the battery so it doesn't work at night.  (The solar panel does 
not charge the battery,  just the supercap, the battery is not rechargeable 
and is just for backup.)  The supercap can be replaced if you have some 
soldering skills, or know someone who can do it for you.  Also the output 
of the solar panel in sunlight can be tested before buying a new one, but 
again, to me it appears to be working.


On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 4:40:31 PM UTC-6 vince wrote:

> Highly recommend Scaled. Use their contact link if you have questions. 
>  The other vendor was Scientific Sales but they don’t seem to have many 
> parts anymore.  Both had great customer service for me.
>
> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 1:47:22 PM UTC-7 Charlie Fortner wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Apr 23, 2024, at 16:20, 'Daniel Rich' via weewx-user wrote:
>>
>> The panel prices have gone up — $86.57 with shipping. 
>>
>>
>> That's very expensive. Have you looked at Scaled Instruments? Vince 
>> included a link to their selection of Davis parts in an earlier message. 
>> I've ordered many parts and at least one VP2 from them. They are very 
>> helpful and their prices are good.
>>
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>>

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Re: [weewx-user] Replacement for Vantage Pro 2

[Jeff A. D.]

BTW, Scaled Instruments list a VP2 Supercap for $4.50.

On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 5:19:11 PM UTC-6 Jeff A. D. wrote:

> It sounds to me that Marius is most likely correct.  If it's working 
> during the day then the solar panel must be working, and the bad supercap 
> is draining the battery so it doesn't work at night.  (The solar panel does 
> not charge the battery,  just the supercap, the battery is not rechargeable 
> and is just for backup.)  The supercap can be replaced if you have some 
> soldering skills, or know someone who can do it for you.  Also the output 
> of the solar panel in sunlight can be tested before buying a new one, but 
> again, to me it appears to be working.
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 4:40:31 PM UTC-6 vince wrote:
>
>> Highly recommend Scaled. Use their contact link if you have questions. 
>>  The other vendor was Scientific Sales but they don’t seem to have many 
>> parts anymore.  Both had great customer service for me.
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 23, 2024 at 1:47:22 PM UTC-7 Charlie Fortner wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 23, 2024, at 16:20, 'Daniel Rich' via weewx-user wrote:
>>>
>>> The panel prices have gone up — $86.57 with shipping. 
>>>
>>>
>>> That's very expensive. Have you looked at Scaled Instruments? Vince 
>>> included a link to their selection of Davis parts in an earlier message. 
>>> I've ordered many parts and at least one VP2 from them. They are very 
>>> helpful and their prices are good.
>>>
>>>
>>> Charlie
>>>
>>>

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Re: [weewx-user] weewx no longer starts after restart, reinstallation stops

[J. H.]

from my point of view, there is a problem with the operating system, i.e. 
some parts are destroyed or damaged. how can you find out?


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Re: [weewx-user] weewx no longer starts after restart, reinstallation stops

[J. H.]

other installations also hang

J. H. schrieb am Mittwoch, 24. April 2024 um 06:36:00 UTC+2:

> from my point of view, there is a problem with the operating system, i.e. 
> some parts are destroyed or damaged. how can you find out?
>
>
>

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Re: [weewx-user] weewx no longer starts after restart, reinstallation stops

[J. H.]

please delete the entire thread, thanks-I'll make a new one

J. H. schrieb am Mittwoch, 24. April 2024 um 08:10:01 UTC+2:

> other installations also hang
>
> J. H. schrieb am Mittwoch, 24. April 2024 um 06:36:00 UTC+2:
>
>> from my point of view, there is a problem with the operating system, i.e. 
>> some parts are destroyed or damaged. how can you find out?
>>
>>
>>

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