Re: [weewx-user] Re: Connecting to new Davis Console model 6313

[Bob Rose]

I am in the same boat. I dropped a note to Davis support, and they 
confirmed that there is no local data available on the 6313. To get you 
data back you will need to purchase it back from Davis.
On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 7:14:36 PM UTC-7 vince wrote:

> Secondary might be poorly worded.  I think somebody suggested on 
> wxforum.net the folks with old consoles could still talk to new sensors 
> via their old dataloggers as always, and 'also' set up the new 6313 
> gateway/console to listen to the sensor's channel and feed Davis etc. if so 
> inclined.  So you could get the new console with data that way while still 
> running the old console we're all familiar with.
>
> I also noted in the manual a bit back that the new console lasts under a 
> day through a power outage, while the old consoles last many days.   Manual 
> is at (here) 
> 
>  and 
> the wxforum.net Davis group has lots of discussion about the new console. 
>  Doesn't seem like too many people are happy so far.
>
> On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 12:49:39 PM UTC-7 John Kline wrote:
>
>> Davis still sells the old console and logger.
>>
>> Vince, I’m not sure what primary and secondary means.  They are all 
>> independent of one another.
>>
>> On Jul 30, 2023, at 11:41 AM, vince  wrote:
>>
>> I believe there are some posts suggesting the old console as the primary 
>> one and the new one as a secondary works well if you can leverage your old 
>> console and logger. You might want to give that a try.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 11:37:51 AM UTC-7 paul bennett wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, Vince.
>>> Indeed, WXForum  
>>> agrees that the new 6313 console has no provision for a 3rd party API, 
>>> either through the WiFi or the USB interface.  I wonder how long my old 
>>> console will hold up...
>>>
>>> On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 7:40:47 PM UTC-6 vince wrote:
>>>
>>> Did you set the ip address of the console ?  Lets see your driver stanza.
>>>
>>> You might ask on wxforum.net in the Davis forum there.  My hazy reading 
>>> in the past about the new console makes me wonder if it's even possible 
>>> with the new Console/logger product.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 3:40:14 PM UTC-7 paul bennett wrote:
>>>
>>> My 12-year old Vantage Pro 2 got destroyed by hail recently, so the 
>>> insurance company bought me a new one. I now have the updated Davis 6313 
>>> console that connects via WiFi.  Unfortunately, I don't see how to 
>>> interface the new console to weewx. The old console had the USB logger, 
>>> which worked fine.
>>>
>>> I tried changing the interface type from "serial" to "ethernet" in 
>>> weewx.conf, but it complains it can't connect to port 2. Which is no 
>>> doubt true. 
>>>
>>> Is it just a different port, or is it something far worse?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> -paul bennett-
>>>
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Re: [weewx-user] Re: Connecting to new Davis Console model 6313

[Greg from Oz]

Looks like I won't be buying one of those!
That is nearly as bad as paying subscription to use software.

On Wednesday, 9 August 2023 at 02:55:32 UTC+10 Bob Rose wrote:

> I am in the same boat. I dropped a note to Davis support, and they 
> confirmed that there is no local data available on the 6313. To get you 
> data back you will need to purchase it back from Davis.
> On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 7:14:36 PM UTC-7 vince wrote:
>
>> Secondary might be poorly worded.  I think somebody suggested on 
>> wxforum.net the folks with old consoles could still talk to new sensors 
>> via their old dataloggers as always, and 'also' set up the new 6313 
>> gateway/console to listen to the sensor's channel and feed Davis etc. if so 
>> inclined.  So you could get the new console with data that way while still 
>> running the old console we're all familiar with.
>>
>> I also noted in the manual a bit back that the new console lasts under a 
>> day through a power outage, while the old consoles last many days.   Manual 
>> is at (here) 
>> 
>>  and 
>> the wxforum.net Davis group has lots of discussion about the new 
>> console.  Doesn't seem like too many people are happy so far.
>>
>> On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 12:49:39 PM UTC-7 John Kline wrote:
>>
>>> Davis still sells the old console and logger.
>>>
>>> Vince, I’m not sure what primary and secondary means.  They are all 
>>> independent of one another.
>>>
>>> On Jul 30, 2023, at 11:41 AM, vince  wrote:
>>>
>>> I believe there are some posts suggesting the old console as the 
>>> primary one and the new one as a secondary works well if you can leverage 
>>> your old console and logger. You might want to give that a try.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 11:37:51 AM UTC-7 paul bennett wrote:
>>>
 Thanks, Vince.
 Indeed, WXForum  
 agrees that the new 6313 console has no provision for a 3rd party API, 
 either through the WiFi or the USB interface.  I wonder how long my old 
 console will hold up...

 On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 7:40:47 PM UTC-6 vince wrote:

 Did you set the ip address of the console ?  Lets see your driver 
 stanza.

 You might ask on wxforum.net in the Davis forum there.  My hazy 
 reading in the past about the new console makes me wonder if it's even 
 possible with the new Console/logger product.

 On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 3:40:14 PM UTC-7 paul bennett wrote:

 My 12-year old Vantage Pro 2 got destroyed by hail recently, so the 
 insurance company bought me a new one. I now have the updated Davis 6313 
 console that connects via WiFi.  Unfortunately, I don't see how to 
 interface the new console to weewx. The old console had the USB logger, 
 which worked fine.

 I tried changing the interface type from "serial" to "ethernet" in 
 weewx.conf, but it complains it can't connect to port 2. Which is no 
 doubt true. 

 Is it just a different port, or is it something far worse?

 Thanks,
 -paul bennett-

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Re: [weewx-user] Re: Connecting to new Davis Console model 6313

['John Kline' via weewx-user]

Previously, one had to spend an extra $225 for the USB data logger.  Now, one has to buy an Envoy ($235) and the USB data logger.I suppose the worry is that Davis will stop selling the previous console and the envoy.On Aug 8, 2023, at 4:07 PM, Greg from Oz  wrote:Looks like I won't be buying one of those!That is nearly as bad as paying subscription to use software.On Wednesday, 9 August 2023 at 02:55:32 UTC+10 Bob Rose wrote:I am in the same boat. I dropped a note to Davis support, and they confirmed that there is no local data available on the 6313. To get you data back you will need to purchase it back from Davis.On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 7:14:36 PM UTC-7 vince wrote:Secondary might be poorly worded.  I think somebody suggested on wxforum.net the folks with old consoles could still talk to new sensors via their old dataloggers as always, and 'also' set up the new 6313 gateway/console to listen to the sensor's channel and feed Davis etc. if so inclined.  So you could get the new console with data that way while still running the old console we're all familiar with.I also noted in the manual a bit back that the new console lasts under a day through a power outage, while the old consoles last many days.   Manual is at (here) and the wxforum.net Davis group has lots of discussion about the new console.  Doesn't seem like too many people are happy so far.On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 12:49:39 PM UTC-7 John Kline wrote:Davis still sells the old console and logger.Vince, I’m not sure what primary and secondary means.  They are all independent of one another.On Jul 30, 2023, at 11:41 AM, vince  wrote:I believe there are some posts suggesting the old console as the primary one and the new one as a secondary works well if you can leverage your old console and logger. You might want to give that a try.On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 11:37:51 AM UTC-7 paul bennett wrote:Thanks, Vince.Indeed, WXForum agrees that the new 6313 console has no provision for a 3rd party API, either through the WiFi or the USB interface.  I wonder how long my old console will hold up...On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 7:40:47 PM UTC-6 vince wrote:Did you set the ip address of the console ?  Lets see your driver stanza.You might ask on wxforum.net in the Davis forum there.  My hazy reading in the past about the new console makes me wonder if it's even possible with the new Console/logger product.On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 3:40:14 PM UTC-7 paul bennett wrote:My 12-year old Vantage Pro 2 got destroyed by hail recently, so the insurance company bought me a new one. I now have the updated Davis 6313 console that connects via WiFi.  Unfortunately, I don't see how to interface the new console to weewx. The old console had the USB logger, which worked fine.I tried changing the interface type from "serial" to "ethernet" in weewx.conf, but it complains it can't connect to port 2. Which is no doubt true. Is it just a different port, or is it something far worse?Thanks,-paul bennett-



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Re: [weewx-user] Re: Connecting to new Davis Console model 6313

[Greg from Oz]

I have been using a USB fineoffset device for over 10 years and it works OK 
for what I am doing, but the newer ones don't have the USB port on the 
console anymore.

https://weather.ubeaut.work/


On Wednesday, 9 August 2023 at 09:18:36 UTC+10 John Kline wrote:

> Previously, one had to spend an extra $225 for the USB data logger.  Now, 
> one has to buy an Envoy ($235) and the USB data logger.
>
> I suppose the worry is that Davis will stop selling the previous console 
> and the envoy.
>
> On Aug 8, 2023, at 4:07 PM, Greg from Oz  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Looks like I won't be buying one of those!
> That is nearly as bad as paying subscription to use software.
>
> On Wednesday, 9 August 2023 at 02:55:32 UTC+10 Bob Rose wrote:
>
>> I am in the same boat. I dropped a note to Davis support, and they 
>> confirmed that there is no local data available on the 6313. To get you 
>> data back you will need to purchase it back from Davis.
>> On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 7:14:36 PM UTC-7 vince wrote:
>>
>>> Secondary might be poorly worded.  I think somebody suggested on 
>>> wxforum.net the folks with old consoles could still talk to new sensors 
>>> via their old dataloggers as always, and 'also' set up the new 6313 
>>> gateway/console to listen to the sensor's channel and feed Davis etc. if so 
>>> inclined.  So you could get the new console with data that way while still 
>>> running the old console we're all familiar with.
>>>
>>> I also noted in the manual a bit back that the new console lasts under a 
>>> day through a power outage, while the old consoles last many days.   Manual 
>>> is at (here) 
>>> 
>>>  and 
>>> the wxforum.net Davis group has lots of discussion about the new 
>>> console.  Doesn't seem like too many people are happy so far.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 12:49:39 PM UTC-7 John Kline wrote:
>>>
 Davis still sells the old console and logger.

 Vince, I’m not sure what primary and secondary means.  They are all 
 independent of one another.

 On Jul 30, 2023, at 11:41 AM, vince  wrote:

 I believe there are some posts suggesting the old console as the 
 primary one and the new one as a secondary works well if you can leverage 
 your old console and logger. You might want to give that a try.



 On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 11:37:51 AM UTC-7 paul bennett wrote:

> Thanks, Vince.
> Indeed, WXForum  
> agrees that the new 6313 console has no provision for a 3rd party API, 
> either through the WiFi or the USB interface.  I wonder how long my old 
> console will hold up...
>
> On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 7:40:47 PM UTC-6 vince wrote:
>
> Did you set the ip address of the console ?  Lets see your driver 
> stanza.
>
> You might ask on wxforum.net in the Davis forum there.  My hazy 
> reading in the past about the new console makes me wonder if it's even 
> possible with the new Console/logger product.
>
> On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 3:40:14 PM UTC-7 paul bennett wrote:
>
> My 12-year old Vantage Pro 2 got destroyed by hail recently, so the 
> insurance company bought me a new one. I now have the updated Davis 6313 
> console that connects via WiFi.  Unfortunately, I don't see how to 
> interface the new console to weewx. The old console had the USB logger, 
> which worked fine.
>
> I tried changing the interface type from "serial" to "ethernet" in 
> weewx.conf, but it complains it can't connect to port 2. Which is no 
> doubt true. 
>
> Is it just a different port, or is it something far worse?
>
> Thanks,
> -paul bennett-
>
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Re: [weewx-user] Re: Connecting to new Davis Console model 6313

[Tom Keffer]

The general message is that the hardware manufacturers want to own your
data. It's getting harder and harder to gain access to it.

On Tue, Aug 8, 2023 at 4:22 PM Greg from Oz  wrote:

> I have been using a USB fineoffset device for over 10 years and it works
> OK for what I am doing, but the newer ones don't have the USB port on the
> console anymore.
>
> https://weather.ubeaut.work/
>
>
> On Wednesday, 9 August 2023 at 09:18:36 UTC+10 John Kline wrote:
>
>> Previously, one had to spend an extra $225 for the USB data logger.  Now,
>> one has to buy an Envoy ($235) and the USB data logger.
>>
>> I suppose the worry is that Davis will stop selling the previous console
>> and the envoy.
>>
>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 4:07 PM, Greg from Oz  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Looks like I won't be buying one of those!
>> That is nearly as bad as paying subscription to use software.
>>
>> On Wednesday, 9 August 2023 at 02:55:32 UTC+10 Bob Rose wrote:
>>
>>> I am in the same boat. I dropped a note to Davis support, and they
>>> confirmed that there is no local data available on the 6313. To get you
>>> data back you will need to purchase it back from Davis.
>>> On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 7:14:36 PM UTC-7 vince wrote:
>>>
 Secondary might be poorly worded.  I think somebody suggested on
 wxforum.net the folks with old consoles could still talk to new
 sensors via their old dataloggers as always, and 'also' set up the new 6313
 gateway/console to listen to the sensor's channel and feed Davis etc. if so
 inclined.  So you could get the new console with data that way while still
 running the old console we're all familiar with.

 I also noted in the manual a bit back that the new console lasts under
 a day through a power outage, while the old consoles last many days.
 Manual is at (here)
 
  and
 the wxforum.net Davis group has lots of discussion about the new
 console.  Doesn't seem like too many people are happy so far.

 On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 12:49:39 PM UTC-7 John Kline wrote:

> Davis still sells the old console and logger.
>
> Vince, I’m not sure what primary and secondary means.  They are all
> independent of one another.
>
> On Jul 30, 2023, at 11:41 AM, vince  wrote:
>
> I believe there are some posts suggesting the old console as the
> primary one and the new one as a secondary works well if you can leverage
> your old console and logger. You might want to give that a try.
>
>
>
> On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 11:37:51 AM UTC-7 paul bennett wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Vince.
>> Indeed, WXForum 
>> agrees that the new 6313 console has no provision for a 3rd party API,
>> either through the WiFi or the USB interface.  I wonder how long my old
>> console will hold up...
>>
>> On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 7:40:47 PM UTC-6 vince wrote:
>>
>> Did you set the ip address of the console ?  Lets see your driver
>> stanza.
>>
>> You might ask on wxforum.net in the Davis forum there.  My hazy
>> reading in the past about the new console makes me wonder if it's even
>> possible with the new Console/logger product.
>>
>> On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 3:40:14 PM UTC-7 paul bennett wrote:
>>
>> My 12-year old Vantage Pro 2 got destroyed by hail recently, so the
>> insurance company bought me a new one. I now have the updated Davis 6313
>> console that connects via WiFi.  Unfortunately, I don't see how to
>> interface the new console to weewx. The old console had the USB logger,
>> which worked fine.
>>
>> I tried changing the interface type from "serial" to "ethernet" in
>> weewx.conf, but it complains it can't connect to port 2. Which is no
>> doubt true.
>>
>> Is it just a different port, or is it something far worse?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> -paul bennett-
>>
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Re: [weewx-user] Re: Connecting to new Davis Console model 6313

[Greg from Oz]

It will get to the stage where we will have to build our own hardware.
Maybe we could build a weewx weather station and sell them? Don't ask me 
though I can't solder to save my life. 

On Wednesday, 9 August 2023 at 09:26:12 UTC+10 Tom Keffer wrote:

> The general message is that the hardware manufacturers want to own your 
> data. It's getting harder and harder to gain access to it. 
>
> On Tue, Aug 8, 2023 at 4:22 PM Greg from Oz  wrote:
>
>> I have been using a USB fineoffset device for over 10 years and it works 
>> OK for what I am doing, but the newer ones don't have the USB port on the 
>> console anymore.
>>
>> https://weather.ubeaut.work/
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, 9 August 2023 at 09:18:36 UTC+10 John Kline wrote:
>>
>>> Previously, one had to spend an extra $225 for the USB data logger.  
>>> Now, one has to buy an Envoy ($235) and the USB data logger.
>>>
>>> I suppose the worry is that Davis will stop selling the previous console 
>>> and the envoy.
>>>
>>> On Aug 8, 2023, at 4:07 PM, Greg from Oz  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Looks like I won't be buying one of those!
>>> That is nearly as bad as paying subscription to use software.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, 9 August 2023 at 02:55:32 UTC+10 Bob Rose wrote:
>>>
 I am in the same boat. I dropped a note to Davis support, and they 
 confirmed that there is no local data available on the 6313. To get you 
 data back you will need to purchase it back from Davis.
 On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 7:14:36 PM UTC-7 vince wrote:

> Secondary might be poorly worded.  I think somebody suggested on 
> wxforum.net the folks with old consoles could still talk to new 
> sensors via their old dataloggers as always, and 'also' set up the new 
> 6313 
> gateway/console to listen to the sensor's channel and feed Davis etc. if 
> so 
> inclined.  So you could get the new console with data that way while 
> still 
> running the old console we're all familiar with.
>
> I also noted in the manual a bit back that the new console lasts under 
> a day through a power outage, while the old consoles last many days.   
> Manual is at (here) 
> 
>  and 
> the wxforum.net Davis group has lots of discussion about the new 
> console.  Doesn't seem like too many people are happy so far.
>
> On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 12:49:39 PM UTC-7 John Kline wrote:
>
>> Davis still sells the old console and logger.
>>
>> Vince, I’m not sure what primary and secondary means.  They are all 
>> independent of one another.
>>
>> On Jul 30, 2023, at 11:41 AM, vince  wrote:
>>
>> I believe there are some posts suggesting the old console as the 
>> primary one and the new one as a secondary works well if you can 
>> leverage 
>> your old console and logger. You might want to give that a try.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 11:37:51 AM UTC-7 paul bennett wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, Vince.
>>> Indeed, WXForum  
>>> agrees that the new 6313 console has no provision for a 3rd party API, 
>>> either through the WiFi or the USB interface.  I wonder how long my old 
>>> console will hold up...
>>>
>>> On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 7:40:47 PM UTC-6 vince wrote:
>>>
>>> Did you set the ip address of the console ?  Lets see your driver 
>>> stanza.
>>>
>>> You might ask on wxforum.net in the Davis forum there.  My hazy 
>>> reading in the past about the new console makes me wonder if it's even 
>>> possible with the new Console/logger product.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 3:40:14 PM UTC-7 paul bennett wrote:
>>>
>>> My 12-year old Vantage Pro 2 got destroyed by hail recently, so the 
>>> insurance company bought me a new one. I now have the updated Davis 
>>> 6313 
>>> console that connects via WiFi.  Unfortunately, I don't see how to 
>>> interface the new console to weewx. The old console had the USB logger, 
>>> which worked fine.
>>>
>>> I tried changing the interface type from "serial" to "ethernet" in 
>>> weewx.conf, but it complains it can't connect to port 2. Which is 
>>> no 
>>> doubt true. 
>>>
>>> Is it just a different port, or is it something far worse?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> -paul bennett-
>>>
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Re: [weewx-user] Connecting to new Davis Console model 6313

[Graham Eddy]

have a look at LoRaWAN (and run your own Network Server, several are available 
to install). their whole point in open communications to sensors (mqtt). the 
price points are higher than Ecowitt, but nowhere near as expensive as Davis
⊣GE⊢

> On 9 Aug 2023, at 9:30 am, Greg from Oz  wrote:
> 
> It will get to the stage where we will have to build our own hardware.

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Re: [weewx-user] Connecting to new Davis Console model 6313

[vince]

rtl_davis driver can help somewhat at a higher complexity level FWIW

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Re: [weewx-user] Connecting to new Davis Console model 6313

[Colin Larsen]

Strangely enough I just replaced all my DIY hardware (weatherduino) with an
Ecowitt setup and it's excellent for the money

Colin

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Re: [weewx-user] Connecting to new Davis Console model 6313

[Bob Rose]

I have been using the Ecowitt on my home weather station going on three 
years now. I can not say anything bad about it. The Davis 6313 I am dealing 
with is for an organization I belong to. It replaced the failing VP2. They 
are really bummed that they spent so much money for something that does not 
have accessible archives. I have even thought about sneaking an Ecowitt 
system out there and telling them “I got it working”. 

On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 8:05:51 PM UTC-7 Colin Larsen wrote:

> Strangely enough I just replaced all my DIY hardware (weatherduino) with 
> an Ecowitt setup and it's excellent for the money
>
> Colin
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Re: [weewx-user] Connecting to new Davis Console model 6313

[Graham Eddy]

swap vantage to ecowitt and you lose the data logger (stored in local hardware) 
→ one day you lose critical data

ecowitt already have a ‘regularly call home' to china built in that adds no 
value to customer, only a dependency on ecowitt company. if ecowitt turn off 
their ‘ok’ response, everyone’s stations will reboot continually. i expect them 
to introduce paid-only access - but they are clever not to restrict the data 
but to disable the devices. (you might want to be wary of accepting their 
firmware upgrades in future, for existing devices.)

it is like the printer market - they flog you a printer really cheap but 
'charge like a wounded bull' for the ink. ditto future weather stations: cheap 
hardware, but lock you into constant revenue stream for service. as the weather 
station vendors try to lock down into paid-only services, i plan to migrate to 
open lorawan devices (because i want COTS or public domain products rather than 
build my own - more effective use of my time)

but i do like my current setup, with vantage providing core weather data and 
ecowitt lots of other inexpensive nearby sensors augmenting it, plus lorawan 
for some more distant and more complex sensors than ecowitt provides. 
⊣GE⊢

> On 9 Aug 2023, at 1:35 pm, Bob Rose  wrote:
> 
> I have been using the Ecowitt on my home weather station going on three years 
> now. I can not say anything bad about it. The Davis 6313 I am dealing with is 
> for an organization I belong to. It replaced the failing VP2. They are really 
> bummed that they spent so much money for something that does not have 
> accessible archives. I have even thought about sneaking an Ecowitt system out 
> there and telling them “I got it working”. 
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 8:05:51 PM UTC-7 Colin Larsen wrote:
>> Strangely enough I just replaced all my DIY hardware (weatherduino) with an 
>> Ecowitt setup and it's excellent for the money
>> 
>> Colin
>> 
>> On Wed, 9 Aug 2023 at 14:35, vince > wrote:
>>> rtl_davis driver can help somewhat at a higher complexity level FWIW
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