Re: Win2k Locked Workstation
In the viewer, click on the system menu (The little icon at the top left hand corner), there's an option to send control-alt-del to the server from there. Does that work? - Original Message - From: "Roy Bosworth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 12:21 PM Subject: Win2k Locked Workstation > I have a Win2k workstation at work and lock this station before I leave. At > home I have a Win98 system and using VNC 3.3r. I use the Web browser to > connect, but every time I enter my password, VNC automatically closes. If I > keep my workstation at work open and not locked, the connection gets through > no problem. Only when the Win2k system is locked does this problem arise. > I can connect through the normal Viewer but cannot send Ctl+Alt+Del through > this so it is useless to me. I need the browser ==== Dave Warren, devilsplayground.net administrator Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, send a message with the line: unsubscribe vnc-list to [EMAIL PROTECTED] See also: http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/intouch.html -
Re: Undocumented port in use by VNCviewer in Listen Mode?
But the original question was about running VNC *VIEWER* in listen mode, not running the server in listen mode. - Original Message - From: "Pete" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 7:50 AM Subject: Re: Undocumented port in use by VNCviewer in Listen Mode? > I've just run a VNC server on a system with a network monitor running and am > logged into it from a viewer over the network. > > I too see a second port open and listening, but in my case it's 5800. It > appears to simply be a control-connection. The only time I see any data > activity on that port is when a connection is established or disconnected. > > Hope that settles your fears. ==== Dave Warren, devilsplayground.net administrator Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, send a message with the line: unsubscribe vnc-list to [EMAIL PROTECTED] See also: http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/intouch.html -
Re: Bad Review of VNC at CNET
> I think it is clear where this review falls. It is interesting how 'issues' > are pointed out (having to know the ip is the best!), issues which exist in > competing products (how else do you connect with PCAnywhere? Voodoo? Magic > wand?) Nope, PCAnywhere advertises that it's running. I loaded it up on my cable modem, and immediately saw a couple people in my node running PCAnywhere, one without a password. Handy feature. But then, on my local area network VNC can connect to the computer "systems1" just by typing "systems1", even though it's assigned a dynamic IP. Hm. Magic. Or just using DNS properly. One of the two, anyway. ==== Dave Warren, devilsplayground.net administrator Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, send a message with the line: unsubscribe vnc-list to [EMAIL PROTECTED] See also: http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/intouch.html -
Re: Bad Review of VNC at CNET
Poor guy is just sore 'cause he doesn't know what a "service" is, couldn't figure out the mailing list, and couldn't figure out how to install it, and the official support is equal to the price. Why should I pay $99 (Or whatever PCAnywhere is) for tech support I don't need, and a GUI I don't want? - Original Message - From: "Greg Breland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 5:45 PM Subject: Bad Review of VNC at CNET > I read a very bad review of VNC on CNET today. > > http://www.cnet.com/software/0-3227892-1205-7056561.html?tag=st.sw.3227892-1 204-7056561.rev.3227892-1205-7056561 Dave Warren, devilsplayground.net administrator Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, send a message with the line: unsubscribe vnc-list to [EMAIL PROTECTED] See also: http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/intouch.html -
Re: Bad Review of VNC at CNET
At 05:45 AM 9/18/2001 -0400, you wrote: > > Nope, PCAnywhere advertises that it's running. I loaded it up on my cable > > modem, and immediately saw a couple people in my node running PCAnywhere, > > one without a password. Handy feature. > >Handy for who? A hacker? ;-) That's the last thing I want my system >to do. I don't want it to advertise its existence. I want it to >disappear. That's my point exactly. Handy, but not for the end user. >See my earlier post about *nix v. win software models. Exactly my >point; PCAnywhere is easier to use but a security risk; VNC is more >difficult to set up if you include the "properly configured DNS" >setup I guess I count properly configuring your network and DNS as part of the network design and OS install, not on any specific application. My mail server doesn't like operating without DNS either. Dave Warren, devilsplayground.net administrator Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, send a message with the line: unsubscribe vnc-list to [EMAIL PROTECTED] See also: http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/intouch.html -
Re: Bug/problem with VNC under Win2000
It works normally here. The "default user" doesn't have a wallpaper, but I generally get my regular one back. Not 100% of the time, but almost always. - Original Message - From: "Glenn Mabbutt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2001 4:44 PM Subject: RE: Bug/problem with VNC under Win2000 > AFAIK, "remove wallpaper" doesn't work properly period on Win2k or NT - I've > tried it before, it removes the wallpaper when the VNC viewer connects, but > on disconnect it restores the default user's wallpaper instead of the > current user's. This is a known issue, the maintainer's page has a blurb > that says he knows. Dave Warren, devilsplayground.net administrator Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the line: 'unsubscribe vnc-list' in the message BODY See also: http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/intouch.html -
Re: VNC privates issue
> Our company is evulating WinVNC ver 3.3.2 R6, We found that it is great. But > I am worrying about the privates issue when we are viewing the client PC. Is > it anywhere we can setup an option to inform client PC we are trying to > shadow their PC, so they have an option to accept or reject. Yes. Did you read the documentation? http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/winvnc.html Look at AuthHosts and QuerySetting -- The nice thing about standards, there is enough for everyone to have their own. - To unsubscribe, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the line: 'unsubscribe vnc-list' in the message BODY See also: http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/intouch.html -
Re: PalmVNC questions
I don't know if Handspring hacked the OS or not, but with Palm OS 3.5.x and 4.x, when the Palm is turned off it will disconnect any network connections you have in place. - Original Message - From: "Ellen Dash" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 2:05 PM Subject: PalmVNC questions > There were a few things I had noticed and had questions about: > (1) I am running vncserver on my laptop (RH 7.0); vncviewer on my laptop as > well; and PalmVNC on my Handspring Visor. I was running an X application > that constantly displays the time within the viewer. I can easily see this > in the viewer on my laptop, and on the Handspring... but, when the > Handspring goes to "sleep" and I press the button to wake it up, the clock > is no longer updating... it's as if going into "sleep" has broken the > connection somehow. Has anyone noticed this? Am I doing something wrong? -- The nice thing about standards, there is enough for everyone to have their own. - To unsubscribe, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the line: 'unsubscribe vnc-list' in the message BODY See also: http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/intouch.html -
Re: Problem when running WinVNC via Loopback mechanism
What exactly are you trying to accomplish? - Original Message - From: "Peter Wheelan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 7:41 PM Subject: Problem when running WinVNC via Loopback mechanism > I am running Windows 2000 Professional and have > installed WinVNC server and viewer. I have also added > the AllowLoopback and AllowProperties registry values. > When I connect to the WinVNC server on the local > machine, I connect and receive an infinite number of > screen images one inside of of the other. I am not > sure if this haa some thing to do with a depth > settting. My VNC connection info is as follows: -- The nice thing about standards, there is enough for everyone to have their own. - To unsubscribe, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the line: 'unsubscribe vnc-list' in the message BODY See also: http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/intouch.html -
Re: Connection Speed
I've used it on a high latency 9600bps link. It sucks, but it's useable. - Original Message - From: "Michael Workman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "VNC Mailer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 8:09 AM Subject: Connection Speed > What in the min Connection Speed VNC needs > > [demime 0.97b removed an attachment of type application/x-pkcs7-signature which had a name of smime.p7s] > - > To unsubscribe, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the line: > 'unsubscribe vnc-list' in the message BODY > See also: http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/intouch.html > - > -- The nice thing about standards, there is enough for everyone to have their own. - To unsubscribe, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the line: 'unsubscribe vnc-list' in the message BODY See also: http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/intouch.html -
Re: Audio Thin Client??
Just for playing music, or all system sounds? If you're just playing music, WinAmp has some plugins that let you control it over the network. Beyond that, I don't know of any functional solutions. - Original Message - From: "Tony Simopoulos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2001 4:34 PM Subject: Audio Thin Client?? > I believe it was on the VNC website that I first read about different > thin-clients that can utilize the WinVNC Server (or something to that effect) to > control as little or as many of the resources on the server as possible. > Basically, I'm looking for a network client that controls only the audio device > of a give server. > > The goal of course is to have one sound card, on a single machine with a line > into a stereo system. All of the computers on the network should be able to > control the audio device on the target computer so that any of them can > effectively play music. > > My platform is WinNT, 2000, and XP. I'm certain that I saw such a client about > 1 year ago, but have not been able to find it again. I'm wondering if anybody > here knows if such a product exists and where to get it. -- The nice thing about standards, there is enough for everyone to have their own. - To unsubscribe, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the line: 'unsubscribe vnc-list' in the message BODY See also: http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/intouch.html -
Re: VNC is Powerful, could it become like Citrix
> On Sat, 2001-12-15 at 19:08, Christopher Koeber wrote: > > Your right. Unix is an excellent operating system. The one thing that holds > > Unix and even Linux back though is that it still isn't very easy to use. You > > have know a lot about computers and even the OS itself to really get the > > most out of these types of systems. > > And you think Windows is easier? Sit a newbie down in front of a freshly > installed Windows box, and I guarantee you, he won't even get his > soundcard working. It really just depends on what you're used to. I put together a custom 1.4GHz box a few weeks ago. Sound worked after the default install, no configuration at all, no driver CDs, and my grandmother was able to surf, play music, all the good stuff a common user needs a computer for. I don't know enough about Linux to know one way or the other. -- The nice thing about standards, there is enough for everyone to have their own. - To unsubscribe, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the line: 'unsubscribe vnc-list' in the message BODY See also: http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/intouch.html -
Re: VNC is Powerful, could it become like Citrix
Windows 95/98/ME boot into real mode, load a slightly modified version of DOS, then load the Win32 environment on top. Win9x is still (potentially) reliant on realmode 16bit drivers. Windows NT (2000 and XP are included) was a ground up rewrite (Started as a combined effort, IBM and Microsoft together, eventually creating OS/2 And Windows NT) and does not use DOS or anything similar. It loads into protected mode as soon as possible, before loading any drivers or anything more then is needed to read from the hard drive and display errors to the video card. Once in protected mode, it discards all elements of the realmode boot and switches over to it's own drivers. Unfortunately, (For a true multiuser environment) the WinNT kernel is integrated with the GUI. It's designed around having a GUI present, and doesn't behave nicely without one. All versions of NT (4.0 and up, anyway -- I've basically forgotten about 3.51 and earlier) have the ability to run multiple users which maintain unique memory spaces and basically cannot interfere with each other They can see all processes of course, but cannot interact with them (Assuming proper ACLs are in place). The problem is, these users only have one GUI to interact with, and there is no easy way to redirect/capture calls to the GUI and determine which video driver should receive the messages. Citrix and terminal server are an attempt around this, but you still run into challenges with programmers that did not follow best practices, and store configuration and/or state information on the hard drive in the application directory, or some other location central to the system, rather then a session specific location. I have to admit, I've done this on a few occasions, but only on applications where I needed to ensure that only one instance ran at a time on a given machine (Servers, weblog->database import runs, etc), and I took appropriate precautions to ensure that a second instance would refuse to run. I still count myself as a lazy programmer though, since I didn't do things "properly" - Original Message - From: "Christopher Koeber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 6:11 PM Subject: Re: VNC is Powerful, could it become like Citrix > Isn't Windows like that as well, since Windows is basically on top of MS-DOS > .. With Windows XP Microsoft is trying to get away from that, but I still > believe that MS-DOS is the core of all Windows systems. What does everyone > else think??? > > Sincerely, > > Christopher > - Original Message - > From: "David Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 4:13 PM > Subject: Re: VNC is Powerful, could it become like Citrix > > > > >On Fri, 2001-12-14 at 13:17, Christopher Koeber wrote: > > >> VNC s excellent, well, at least in my opinion. What I am wondering is > if VNC > > >> could become like Citrix, allowing multiple users to connect to a > single > > >> windows machine. This would make VNC great, wouldn't it? Anyone's > opinion is > > >> greatly valuable! > > > > > >Hmmm... UNIX has only had this capability out of the box for, oh, 20 > > >years or so... LOL > > > > UNIX's graphic display is separate from it's core OS (you can run > > UNIX without a graphics card and monitor), and for that matter the > > graphics subsystem (X) has two parts, the X server itself, which > > provides base functions, and the window manager that defines how > > things look and act. These can run on separate machines (how PC X > > servers work, by running the window manager locally you get more > > speed, and can do neat things like integrate it into the main > > graphics environment). > > > > On the down side, this separation leads to more overhead and a slower > > graphics environment, and makes if very hard to integrate things like > > hardware acceleration into the process. > > -- > > -- > > David A. Smith > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > The box said: "Needs Windows 98 or better," so I bought a Macintosh. > > - > > To unsubscribe, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the line: > > 'unsubscribe vnc-list' in the message BODY > > See also: http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/intouch.html > > - > - > To unsubscribe, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the line: > 'unsubscribe vnc-list' in the message BODY > See also: http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/intouch.html > - > -- The nice thing about standards, there is enough for everyone to have their own. - To unsubscribe, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the line: 'unsubscribe vnc-list' in the message BODY See also: http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/intouch.html
Re: VNC is Powerful, could it become like Citrix
> Funnily enough, MS wrote Terminal Server a few years later (NT4 multiuser) > but AFAIK their protocol (RDP?) is too fat to squeeze down at 56k line. I think > that XP workstation also uses RDP so I wonder if they've improved it. >From personal experience, I'd rather run NT4/W2K's implementation of RDP then VNC over a 9600bps link. I've done both. -- The nice thing about standards, there is enough for everyone to have their own. - To unsubscribe, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the line: 'unsubscribe vnc-list' in the message BODY See also: http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/intouch.html -
Re: VNC is Powerful, could it become like Citrix
> How about TightVNC? AT&T VNC is realy meant for 2Mbit or better > networks. To be honest, never tried it. I so rarely feel the need to go online and connect remotely from my cellular modem that it isn't worth playing with TightVNC, I just termserv in. I normally connect from a 10Mb internet connection, or across my server over a 100baseT network. -- The nice thing about standards, there is enough for everyone to have their own. - To unsubscribe, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the line: 'unsubscribe vnc-list' in the message BODY See also: http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/intouch.html -
Re: VNCviewer for Unix lacks a CTRL-ALT-DEL key send option
> >> I'd have to send CTRL+ALT+DEL Key to the Server but this option is only > >> available in vncviewer for Win. > > Just press CTRL+ALT+DEL, Unix/Linux don't care about this key combo > and so don't need a special "send CTRL+ALT+DEL" function. C-A-DEL reboots my linux box here. Granted, I don't know squat about Linux under the hood, it's not my job to maintain it, but it's a fairly default installation other then what I installed/tweaked, and what was done to secure it. -- The nice thing about standards, there is enough for everyone to have their own. - To unsubscribe, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the line: 'unsubscribe vnc-list' in the message BODY See also: http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/intouch.html -
Re: Resource Hacker
Then you do understand that what you are doing has nothing to do with source code, right? - Original Message - From: "AceMiles.com" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 3:27 PM Subject: RE: Resource Hacker > I know what the source code is. > > Read my other email. We are releasing it to be able to follow the GPL -- The nice thing about standards, there is enough for everyone to have their own. - To unsubscribe, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the line: 'unsubscribe vnc-list' in the message BODY See also: http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/intouch.html -
Re: Resource Hacker
But as long as you are using resource hacker, you haven't actually touched the source code... GPL is a separate issue which I won't get into, I'm honestly not that familiar with the GPL. - Original Message - From: "AceMiles.com" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 7:27 PM Subject: RE: Resource Hacker > yes.. > but if we release the source code, we are working within the GPL./ -- The nice thing about standards, there is enough for everyone to have their own. - To unsubscribe, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the line: 'unsubscribe vnc-list' in the message BODY See also: http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/intouch.html -
Re: How to get list of vnc servers
> is it possible to see on the client all the vnc servers that are running in the > network. With RP we get a list of computers and can simply chose one of them. > With vnc we must know the iP adress, but the clients get it from DHCP. IS there > a way to get this list with vnc ? Is there any plan to add this functionality ? VNC doesn't support this internally... Depending on your DHCP server, you may be able to configure it to dynamically add DNS entries when clients lease an IP. This is how we have our local configuration set up, and it works fairly well. -- The nice thing about standards, there is enough for everyone to have their own. - To unsubscribe, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the line: 'unsubscribe vnc-list' in the message BODY See also: http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/intouch.html -
Re: Windows layer storage/transmission.
> Hey, that's a good idea. Maybe we could call it Linux, and give it away > for free, but then, people who refuse to stop using the inferior product > for mostly irrational reasons (ever heard of game theory?) would > constantly make it hard for us with their incompatible protocols and > inferior quality. We could retaliate by ridiculing them until they would > see the error in their ways. Oh, wait, that's already happening, sorry. And by ridiculing people, do you find you convert them? Or simply convince them that Linux users are mainly arrogant (etc), and reenforce the Windows mindset? I've looked into using Linux on my desktop a few times, pretty consistently the reason I moved back to Windows is simply because I know Windows inside and out, servers, networking, etc, and getting assistance with my own stupid newbie Linux questions was simply too difficult. That's been my experience, I simply don't have the time or energy to move over until I have access to help when needed. -- The nice thing about standards, there is enough for everyone to have their own. - To unsubscribe, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the line: 'unsubscribe vnc-list' in the message BODY See also: http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/intouch.html -
Re: Windows layer storage/transmission.
> And by ridiculing people, do you find you convert them? Sorry for the post to the list, I was intending to send that directly to the person I was replying too, but sleepy fingers sent the email off before fixing the little "To" header details. Happy 2002! -- The nice thing about standards, there is enough for everyone to have their own. - To unsubscribe, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the line: 'unsubscribe vnc-list' in the message BODY See also: http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/intouch.html -
Re: Re: New tech from Micro$oft
> "Putting the PR into proprietary." :-) Mind if I steal that for a .sig? -- The nice thing about standards, there is enough for everyone to have their own. - To unsubscribe, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the line: 'unsubscribe vnc-list' in the message BODY See also: http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/intouch.html -
Re: disabled wallpaper feature
> i think what you described fits exactly with what we want to do it > simply monitoring effective use of equipment for the benefit of the > company... Just be aware that should you happen to learn something confidential, or fire an employee this way, your a** may well be owned by said employee in a wrongful dismissal suit... -- The nice thing about standards, there is enough for everyone to have their own. - To unsubscribe, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the line: 'unsubscribe vnc-list' in the message BODY See also: http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/intouch.html -
Re: How do I know if I have it?
Palm OS ScanMan wrote: > What's the only OS that doesn't even pretend to be secure? Duh. -- The nice thing about standards, there is enough for everyone to have their own. - To unsubscribe, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the line: 'unsubscribe vnc-list' in the message BODY See also: http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/intouch.html -
Re: Win2k service unstoppable
I've run into this once in a while, it went away when I upgraded my video drivers. If you have the NT/W2K resource kit, you can use KILL.EXE to terminate the process... Kenneth Porter wrote: > My VNC service on Win2k Server has stopped responding, and I can't shut > it down remotely with the management console; it just reports "stopping" > and appears to be ignoring the stop request. I expect I'll have to > reboot the server to get VNC back again. I see nothing interesting in > the event logs that might give a clue. > > Anyone have experience with this? Is there anything I can do short of > rebooting the box? > > Attempts to telnet to port 5900 are refused so I think the service is no > longer even listening. -- The nice thing about standards, there is enough for everyone to have their own. - To unsubscribe, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the line: 'unsubscribe vnc-list' in the message BODY See also: http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/intouch.html -
Re: monitor several remote systems at the same time
Start several instances of the VNC Viewer at the same time? I'm assuming I've misunderstood what you're trying to do... - Original Message - From: "Stephane Bastien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 10:15 AM Subject: monitor several remote systems at the same time > I need a way to monitor several remote systems at the same time, is > there a solution already done by someone? -- The nice thing about standards, there is enough for everyone to have their own. - To unsubscribe, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the line: 'unsubscribe vnc-list' in the message BODY See also: http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/intouch.html -
Re: Vnc and the cut and paste clipboard
> What can vnc do with the clipboard? As far as I found, currently nothing but > correct me if I'm wrong. > > My suggestion is if the vncviewer focus is changed, the clipboard should be > copied in the same direction. WinVNC (client and server) syncs the clipboard in both directions. I cannot say about any other platforms though... -- The nice thing about standards, there is enough for everyone to have their own. - To unsubscribe, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the line: 'unsubscribe vnc-list' in the message BODY See also: http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/intouch.html -
Re: TightVNC 1.2.3 released
Constantin Kaplinsky wrote: > TightVNC 1.2.3 has been finally released. I have a number of computers running regulat WinVNC. Can I simply stop the VNC service, kill winvnc.exe vncviewer.exe, drop in the new EXE and DLLs (Into the existing \Program Files\ORL\VNC directory) and restart the service? Or is anything more required as far as the installation goes? -- The nice thing about standards, there is enough for everyone to have their own. - To unsubscribe, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the line: 'unsubscribe vnc-list' in the message BODY See also: http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/intouch.html -
Re: Forced Shutdown of Windows NT/2K Systems
John Roland Elliott wrote: > Isn't anyone else at least a little disappointed with these > "shutdown-and-I-really-mean-it-this-time-comma-dammit" approaches? When > there are processes running on my machines that don't or can't honor > shutdown requests, I kinda wanna know about it. Sometimes a process is simply busy and can't shut down for a few moment, so it tells the OS it's a bad time. Another possibility is that an application is waiting for you to ack the save=yes/no dialog. Personally, I usually issue a forceful shutdown in 300 seconds, then shutdown myself manually. If the shutdown is aborted, then 300 seconds later the forceful shutdown resolves the problem. -- The nice thing about standards, there is enough for everyone to have their own. - To unsubscribe, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the line: 'unsubscribe vnc-list' in the message BODY See also: http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/intouch.html -
Re: Forced Shutdown of Windows NT/2K Systems
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > The problem needs to be addressed by the VNC developers, if PC Anywhere can > do it, I don't see any reason why VNC can't. PCAnywhere spreads itself everywhere it can within your system, and it breaks (Err hooks) into your video drivers as well. I suspect this is how it continues to operate, although I'm not sure how much that helps us here. -- The nice thing about standards, there is enough for everyone to have their own. - To unsubscribe, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the line: 'unsubscribe vnc-list' in the message BODY See also: http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/intouch.html -
Re: Forced Shutdown of Windows NT/2K Systems
Not entirely reliable, however. Under some circumstances scripting a shutdown in this way will still fail. Once the shutdown gets to a certain stage, the forceable shutdown will no longer kick in. I just learned the hard way earlier today :( Alex K. Angelopoulos wrote: > That's a very intelligent approach - and scriptable, also. > - Original Message - > From: "Dave Warren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, 2002-03-26 09:27 > Subject: Re: Forced Shutdown of Windows NT/2K Systems > > > >>John Roland Elliott wrote: >> >>>Isn't anyone else at least a little disappointed with these >>>"shutdown-and-I-really-mean-it-this-time-comma-dammit" approaches? When >>>there are processes running on my machines that don't or can't honor >>>shutdown requests, I kinda wanna know about it. >> >>Sometimes a process is simply busy and can't shut down for a few moment, >>so it tells the OS it's a bad time. Another possibility is that an >>application is waiting for you to ack the save=yes/no dialog. >> >>Personally, I usually issue a forceful shutdown in 300 seconds, then >>shutdown myself manually. If the shutdown is aborted, then 300 seconds >>later the forceful shutdown resolves the problem. >> >> >> >> >>-- >>The nice thing about standards, there is enough for everyone to have their > > own. > >>- >>To unsubscribe, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the line: >>'unsubscribe vnc-list' in the message BODY >>See also: http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/intouch.html >>- > > - > To unsubscribe, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the line: > 'unsubscribe vnc-list' in the message BODY > See also: http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/intouch.html > - -- The nice thing about standards, there is enough for everyone to have their own. - To unsubscribe, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the line: 'unsubscribe vnc-list' in the message BODY See also: http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/intouch.html -
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The last released version does everything AT&T needs it to do. Until they have a further business need, they likely won't resume the expense of development. - Original Message - From: "Anouk Kuiling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2002 2:35 PM Subject: AT&T > Why is AT&T now stopped with made new versions of VNC? > > VNC is latest produced in March 2001. The latest version is 3.3.3 R9 -- The nice thing about standards, there is enough for everyone to have their own. - To unsubscribe, mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the line: 'unsubscribe vnc-list' in the message BODY See also: http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/intouch.html -
Re: Connection to a remote server under Windows 98
192.168.0.1 is an internal/LAN IP only. Are you dialing up to an ISP, to another machine in the VNC server's LAN, or the VNC server itself? - Original Message - From: "Pierre MAITRE" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2001 1:08 PM Subject: RE: Connection to a remote server under Windows 98 > I use Dialup Networking to connect with the remote modem. When connection > established, I use the IP address, 192.168.0.1:0. Anyway, I tried to ping > that host, but no response. I don't see where I've got something wrong. ======== Dave Warren Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Free POP3 and WebMail at: http://webmail.devilsplayground.net/ - To unsubscribe, send a message with the line: unsubscribe vnc-list to [EMAIL PROTECTED] See also: http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/intouch.html -
Re: VNC Newsgroup
Are we talking usenet connected, or a private newsgroup? - Original Message - From: "IndyHans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, January 22, 2001 9:50 AM Subject: Re: VNC Newsgroup > I'll make sure AT&T Worldnet adds it to their servers. Thanks for your > efforts. ==== Dave Warren Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Free POP3 and WebMail at: http://webmail.devilsplayground.net/ - To unsubscribe, send a message with the line: unsubscribe vnc-list to [EMAIL PROTECTED] See also: http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/intouch.html -
Re: VNC Newsgroup
There are some other options.. http://www.newsfeeds.com/ offers a newsgroup->email feed, if that's of any use. They are a paid service however. Ultimately, it might be best to operate the newsgroup and the email list indepenantly of each other, and let people read either/both... - Original Message - From: "Carillon, Mike" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 4:51 AM Subject: RE: VNC Newsgroup > True but the proxy server blocks www.deja.com. So what do you say to people > who fall into my group, have no access to newsgroups? So again, If everyone > can receive email and not everyone has access to newsgroups then how would > it be available to a wider audience? h ======== Dave Warren Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Free POP3 and WebMail at: http://webmail.devilsplayground.net/ - To unsubscribe, send a message with the line: unsubscribe vnc-list to [EMAIL PROTECTED] See also: http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/intouch.html -
Re: Stream encryption - is it time?
> You can't do this. That's kind of the point about SSH tunnels. If > you could set them up automatically, they would be completely > ineffective at authentication. I might have misunderstood, I don't use SSH very much, but from an encryption-only standpoint (Using VNC's own authentication, which would go through the SSH tunnel too, so we don't have to worry about the security problems recently posted), SSH should be simple and easy to implement, right? I understand that a lot more may be involved if authentication is the name of the game, but at least for my uses, I only really want/need encryption. ======== Dave Warren Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Free POP3 and WebMail at: http://webmail.devilsplayground.net/ - To unsubscribe, send a message with the line: unsubscribe vnc-list to [EMAIL PROTECTED] See also: http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/intouch.html -
Re: Sending Ctrl + Alt + Del
What operating system is the server running? If it's running 9x/ME, then you cannot send CTRL-ALT-DEL, because it will freeze the VNC server as well, and you literally do need to be at the local console to recover. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2001 9:13 PM Subject: Sending Ctrl + Alt + Del > When I use the "Send Ctrl + Alt + Del" option with the VNCViewer it doesn't work. Is there anything that you have to setup to get that working? > Thanks, > Adam ==== Dave Warren Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Free POP3 and WebMail at: http://webmail.devilsplayground.net/ - To unsubscribe, send a message with the line: unsubscribe vnc-list to [EMAIL PROTECTED] See also: http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/intouch.html -
Re: Drive mapping?
You can only map letters up to "Z". But you can connect directly to share names, without assigning a direct letter, if that helps. - Original Message - From: "Patrick Lim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 10:19 PM Subject: Drive mapping? > Does anyone know how many drivemappings you can make? i mean after > Z-drive can make more? and how much more and how??? I am using windows > 2000. > > Normally you have a line at the config.sys or autoexec.bat it say: > LASTDRV=Z > > so you can only have drive mapping till Z?? not possible to make more? > please adive. ======== Dave Warren, Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pager: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, send a message with the line: unsubscribe vnc-list to [EMAIL PROTECTED] See also: http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/intouch.html -
Re: Windows 2000
Do you have a global password set, or just a user specific one? And secondly, is VNC installed as a system service, or a user application? - Original Message - From: "Darbonne, Mark M" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'VNC mailer'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 1:11 PM Subject: Windows 2000 > How do you get around the locked display on a Windows 2000 machine - if the > console is locked - I can not connect to VNC - if I unlock the console - I > can go right in - anyone have any suggestions ? ======== Dave Warren, Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pager: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, send a message with the line: unsubscribe vnc-list to [EMAIL PROTECTED] See also: http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/intouch.html -
Re: Single Port File transfer
> There's one or two other steps. They're a bit tricky, but > it's a solvable problem. I've got a PDF which describes the whole > process, but due to graphics it's a bit chunky. I'll post it to my > website later this week; feel free to email me off-list and I'll > send you a copy. Would you mind tossing a copy my way? Is it your work, and do you mind if I post it on an intranet, I think it would be useful for some of my monkeys to read/know, but I'm not a technical writer, and they don't want to see what I would come up with if I tried. ==== Dave Warren, Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pager: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, send a message with the line: unsubscribe vnc-list to [EMAIL PROTECTED] See also: http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/intouch.html -
Re: Single Port File transfer
> This is why I want a /1/ port file transfer program. FTP is not a 1 port > file transfer program. I'm looking for something that does control /and/ > data over the same connection. Would HTTP work? I don't know of any other solutions, but to be blunt, I've never looked. ==== Dave Warren, Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pager: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, send a message with the line: unsubscribe vnc-list to [EMAIL PROTECTED] See also: http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/intouch.html -
Re: WinVNC and Norton Personal Firewall 2001
> I would agree that a hacker would not find very much of interest on the > typical home PC, but might find it more entertaining to piggy back from > there right past the corporate firewall and into the internal resources of > where you work. A true hacker wouldn't care (Although they might relay through you). But to your average script kiddy, your machine is an apt target. They aren't bright enough to get into anything bigger, so your personal computer is a good enough target. ======== Dave Warren, Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Priority: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, send a message with the line: unsubscribe vnc-list to [EMAIL PROTECTED] See also: http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/intouch.html -
Re: WinVNC and Norton Personal Firewall 2001
> Interesting thought, I wonder if any corporations have enough sense to close > these potential holes? Is anyone compelling their employees to secure their > home machines which are accessing corporate VPNs? How do you plan to close these potential holes? The only way a corporate network can do it is by restricting what software is allowed on the machines (Preventing Trojans, in theory...), and by using expensive firewall hardware. It's simply not feasible to expect home users to maintain this level of security, at least, not unless you are providing a separate computer for use when connecting to the corporate network. ======== Dave Warren, Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Priority: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, send a message with the line: unsubscribe vnc-list to [EMAIL PROTECTED] See also: http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/intouch.html -
Re: User warning
Feature Request: Would it be possible to have a switch to make the default "Accept" instead of "Reject"? That way, they see the popup, have 10/30/whatever seconds to acknowledge, if they don't, then it accepts automatically, and it allows remote administration. - Original Message - From: "James ''Wez'' Weatherall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 7:23 AM Subject: Re: User warning > You can enable an Accept/Reject dialog in addition to the taskbar icon. > This will request that the user authorise an incoming connection before it > will be accepted. The timeout before rejecting and the hosts which will be > queried can be seperately configured. Dave Warren, Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Priority: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, send a message with the line: unsubscribe vnc-list to [EMAIL PROTECTED] See also: http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/intouch.html -
Legality
I'm just curious if anyone happens to know the rules/regulations on monitoring employees in Canada. Do they have to be notified that monitoring software is being used? Do they have to be notified when someone is actively monitoring? Thanks in advance :) Dave Warren, Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Priority: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, send a message with the line: unsubscribe vnc-list to [EMAIL PROTECTED] See also: http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/intouch.html -
Re: Legality (of monitoring)
> >I'm just curious if anyone happens to know the rules/regulations on > >monitoring employees in Canada. > > IANAL, and I'm not in Canada. I'm just wanting to be cautious: Fair enough. Thanks in advance. > It'd be a very good idea to put a monitoring clause in your systems policy, > so that it is made quite clear that monitoring can be done. I would guess > that to do otherwise would be at best unwise, and possibly illegal. It's a > good idea to disable the pop-up menu as a first step to prevent users from > disabling VNC, and put an "anti-disabling" clause in the same policy if you > feel this is necessary. I'm *guessing* the same thing. I'm going to be researching properly in the next few days, I just haven't had time yet. At the moment, we've simply failed to load the -servicehelper portion in the startup, thereby hiding the icon simply by not loading it. No effort has been made to disable the configuration options, or stop the user from loading WinVNC themselves, with -servicehelper, and making changes. There is a standard "We can record everything you do on our equipment and/or network" but nothing about disabling such methods. The specific clause inplies network monitoring, but doesn't exclude machine specific monitoring. > >Do they have to be notified when someone is actively monitoring? > > See above - I'd at least leave the "tray icon" or other symbol visible, > which changes colour to denote a connected viewer. There is also an option > in recent versions of WinVNC to display a confirmation dialogue box, > although this option is more suited to a tech-support role than for > monitoring. Advise monitoring supervisors to use the "view only" option at > the viewer end, to avoid accidentally disrupting workflow of the employee. At this point, the icon isn't visable. I doubt that will change, since they just deployed new machine imagines network wide. Given that there is officially no monitoring software, I think view-only is a good idea :) > In general, I'd err on the side of openness. Otherwise, as soon as the > word gets out (and it will, as soon as the first few employees are caught), > you'd be labelled as a spy and your employees wouldn't be happy with you. > For readers in educational establishments, the same goes for students, > perhaps even more so. I would tend to agree. Especially with people like me, who know exactly what to look for to see if a system is being monitored, passively or actively. Good 'ol NT/W2K, a task list does wonders, 'eh? And the open ports are just a WEE bit suspicious too. I'm an employee, not in the MIS department, and the only member of MIS I've had time to ask so far denied that any monitoring is happening at all. Maybe he didn't know, or maybe he lied, I'm not sure. But since I was able to get into the config, and I can tell that the service is running, I'm going to assume they are monitoring us. Thanks for the information. As always, much appreciated. Dave Warren, Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Priority: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, send a message with the line: unsubscribe vnc-list to [EMAIL PROTECTED] See also: http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/intouch.html -
Re: Business use of VNC
As I understand it, as long as you don't modify VNC (Or, you are willing to distribute the modified version of VNC), then you are fine to charge for services rendered. Just don't charge for VNC itself. I'm far from a lawyer though. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 12:42 PM Subject: Business use of VNC > I've tried to find a posting of this in the archives and the faq but I can't find any reference to this so I'll go ahead and ask this question. Also, I am not trying to offend anyone with this posting, but I want to make sure that I will not be breaking any rules or laws. > > Say that someone wanted to make a business that used VNC as a tool to help determine what was wrong with a customers PC and fix the problem through VNC. Say also that they charged a fee for this service. For every customer that was brought aboard for this service, the customer would be given an executable of VNC and they were also given a link to download the source files of VNC from the businesses servers. Would this business be violating the GNU license in any way, shape, or form? > > Thanks for your time, > Rick Heckadon > - > To unsubscribe, send a message with the line: unsubscribe vnc-list > to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > See also: http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/intouch.html > ----- > Dave Warren, Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Priority: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, send a message with the line: unsubscribe vnc-list to [EMAIL PROTECTED] See also: http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/intouch.html -
Re: Business use of VNC
I understand it (And I am far from an expert), if you distribute the compiled code, then you must distribute the source. Also, if you distribute at all, you must distribute it freely. I may be way off though. - Original Message - From: "Michael F. March" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 4:54 PM Subject: Re: Business use of VNC > What if you modified the VNCserver but kept the > client software intact.. Meaning the VNCserver > ran on your servers, modified, but the clients > are unmodified. > > Is the GLP being violated? > > What is the scoop there? ======== Dave Warren, Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Priority: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, send a message with the line: unsubscribe vnc-list to [EMAIL PROTECTED] See also: http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/intouch.html -
Re: Windows 2000 Pro, unstable and really slow connection.
Honestly, I'd probably pump up the machine (CPU and memory) a little. For what it's worth, I've run it on C300 and up, always with 128MB of memory or more, and I've almost never seen much of a performance hit when VNC is running, and it's always been responsive. Except for complete redraws, VNC is as fast as local console across my 100baseT network, PII-500MHz or faster machines all around, with at least 384MB of memory, most systems at a full gig. I know this doesn't help a lot, but I'd strongly suggest looking at changing that hardware, or the OS itself. - Original Message - From: "geocad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 10:13 AM Subject: Windows 2000 Pro, unstable and really slow connection. > Hi, > > I'm was using VNC for a couple of months on Windows 98 machines, and was > very happy... till I got a new Windows 2000 Professional box. > When I try to connect to the Win2k from a Win 98, the connection looks very > very slow, with long latencies (I'm on 100 MBit Lan). For example, I move > the mouse and it will move in 5 seconds on the server, or .. it won't move > at all! It looks like the refresh rate is once every few seconds. > I tried different refresh settings - no difference. I used to get almost > perfect refreshing between two win 98 machines with about 20-30 KB/s > constant traffic. > Now, I get bursts of 50-60 kb traffic every lets say 10 seconds.. > Often, after beeing connected for some time it looks like the server it's > not responding, ... it just quit 'itself'. > > My config on Win2k is: > Pentum 200 MMX, 64 Ram, > Diamond Multimedia Stealth II S220 (Graphics) running 800/600 in 16bit > I'm using the same Lan cards on all computers : CNet Pro 200B (100Mbit). > > Could this be due to Windows 2000 network configuration ? (slow > response ?)hmmm > > Did anyone have this problem ? Or is it just me ??? > - > To unsubscribe, send a message with the line: unsubscribe vnc-list > to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > See also: http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/intouch.html > - > Dave Warren, Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Priority: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, send a message with the line: unsubscribe vnc-list to [EMAIL PROTECTED] See also: http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/intouch.html -
Re: VNC as spyware on TV
I work for one that does... - Original Message - From: "David Brodbeck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 7:29 AM Subject: RE: VNC as spyware on TV > To be fair, you *could* use it as spyware. I really have no doubts that > some businesses use it that way. ==== Dave Warren, Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Priority: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, send a message with the line: unsubscribe vnc-list to [EMAIL PROTECTED] See also: http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/intouch.html -
Re: VNC as spyware on TV
I've done it, just to prove it could be done... And to screw with a couple of my friend's heads :) -- I just ask for permission to hax0r their system (Not hack, hax0r -- There is a difference :), if they give it, then a couple weeks down the road once they think I've given up, I get VNC in and toy with their minds. VNC is so simple to install that there's no reason it couldn't be deployed very easily by any EXE out there. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 9:22 AM Subject: RE: VNC as spyware on TV > From: Kevin Yager > > Have their been any actual cases documented of hackers remotely installing VNC > to be used to remote control the hacked PC, and without every having physical > access to the hardware? ==== Dave Warren, Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Priority: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, send a message with the line: unsubscribe vnc-list to [EMAIL PROTECTED] See also: http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/intouch.html -
Re: VNC as spyware on TV
>> VNC is so simple to install that there's no reason it couldn't be deployed >> very easily by any EXE out there.<< > > Did you friends have the VNC ports closed or firewalled, or were they simply > vulnerable to the outside world? Some were, some were not. Did I install VNC on a default port? Nopers. Did some use "personal firewalls"? Yep. Easy solution, package it with something that needs to open a port and listen for some other reason. Most people don't know the difference about what is going on. ==== Dave Warren, Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Priority: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, send a message with the line: unsubscribe vnc-list to [EMAIL PROTECTED] See also: http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/intouch.html -
