Re: [vdr] HD output - your current favourites

2009-08-15 Thread Pasi Kärkkäinen
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 10:35:11PM +0100, Gavin Hamill wrote:
> My current vdr-1.4.7 (compiled 2 years ago as of tomorrow!) is still
> serving me well.. I have a Technotrend FF DVB-C doing all the heavy
> lifting, but as time moves on and HD content becomes more prevalent, I'm
> thinking of moving up.
> 
> Right now I have an EPIA 800MHz quiet PC with the Technotrend giving me
> lovely SCART RGB out... if I got a nice LCD TV, what setup would be
> ideal for driving the HDMI input?
> 
> Most of the content is still SD, and I am a real pedant about smooth
> video / interlaced output for scrolling text / live sports. Any time
> that I've played with vdr-xine or xineliboutput over my years with VDR,
> it's always been a bit juddery due to VGA timing not matching up with
> the TV.. is that improved any in the world of HD / HDMI?
> 

Take a look at these patches:

http://lowbyte.de/vga-sync-fields/

I believe they are useful also for HDMI/HD stuff. I haven't tried them yet
myself.

Original announcement:
http://www.linuxtv.org/pipermail/vdr/2008-July/017347.html

For Intel:
http://www.linuxtv.org/pipermail/vdr/2009-January/019330.html

-- Pasi

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[vdr] Patches for VGA timing not matching up with the TV (was: HD output - your current favourites)

2009-08-15 Thread Paul Menzel
Dear list,


Am Samstag, den 15.08.2009, 14:41 +0300 schrieb Pasi Kärkkäinen:
> On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 10:35:11PM +0100, Gavin Hamill wrote:

[…]

> > Most of the content is still SD, and I am a real pedant about smooth
> > video / interlaced output for scrolling text / live sports. Any time
> > that I've played with vdr-xine or xineliboutput over my years with VDR,
> > it's always been a bit juddery due to VGA timing not matching up with
> > the TV.. is that improved any in the world of HD / HDMI?
> > 
> 
> Take a look at these patches:
> 
> http://lowbyte.de/vga-sync-fields/
> 
> I believe they are useful also for HDMI/HD stuff. I haven't tried them yet
> myself.
> 
> Original announcement:
> http://www.linuxtv.org/pipermail/vdr/2008-July/017347.html
> 
> For Intel:
> http://www.linuxtv.org/pipermail/vdr/2009-January/019330.html

the Web site with more information is:
http://frc.easy-vdr.de/


Thanks,

Paul


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Re: [vdr] Patches for VGA timing not matching up with the TV (was: HD output - your current favourites)

2009-08-15 Thread Goga777
I'm wondering - does the problem with timing and sync also important and for 
for vdpau nvidia cards ? or that project is
important only for intel and ati ?

Goga

> > > Most of the content is still SD, and I am a real pedant about smooth
> > > video / interlaced output for scrolling text / live sports. Any time
> > > that I've played with vdr-xine or xineliboutput over my years with VDR,
> > > it's always been a bit juddery due to VGA timing not matching up with
> > > the TV.. is that improved any in the world of HD / HDMI?
> > > 
> > 
> > Take a look at these patches:
> > 
> > http://lowbyte.de/vga-sync-fields/
> > 
> > I believe they are useful also for HDMI/HD stuff. I haven't tried them yet
> > myself.
> > 
> > Original announcement:
> > http://www.linuxtv.org/pipermail/vdr/2008-July/017347.html
> > 
> > For Intel:
> > http://www.linuxtv.org/pipermail/vdr/2009-January/019330.html
> 
> the Web site with more information is:
> http://frc.easy-vdr.de/

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Re: [vdr] HD output - your current favourites

2009-08-15 Thread Gavin Hamill
On Sat, 2009-08-15 at 14:41 +0300, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote:


> 
> Take a look at these patches:
> 
> http://lowbyte.de/vga-sync-fields/
> 
> I believe they are useful also for HDMI/HD stuff. I haven't tried them yet
> myself.
> 

:) I'm very familiar with this patches - Thomas and I spent many hours
trying to debug a sync problem on an old Dell Optiplex - turned out
there was not enough PCI bandwidth, and the machine didn't have an AGP
slot..

gdh



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Re: [vdr] Patches for VGA timing not matching up with the TV (was: HD output - your current favourites)

2009-08-15 Thread Gavin Hamill
On Sat, 2009-08-15 at 16:33 +0400, Goga777 wrote:
> I'm wondering - does the problem with timing and sync also important and for 
> for vdpau nvidia cards ? or that project is
> important only for intel and ati ?

Now that I think about it, I believe this is what I was really asking
about.. is it perhaps that good LCD TVs have so much
smoothing/deinterlacing processing circuitry that the interlace timing
is less of a problem when provided by VGA or HDMI?

Progressive content is very difficult to mess up - precious few people
could tell the difference between a movie varying between  24 / 25
frames/sec, where it only takes microseconds to cause the interlace
fields to jump out of sync.

Cheers,
Gavin.





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Re: [vdr] Patches for VGA timing not matching up with the TV (was: HD output - your current favourites)

2009-08-15 Thread Goga777
> > I'm wondering - does the problem with timing and sync also important and 
> > for for vdpau nvidia cards ? or that project
> > is important only for intel and ati ?
> 
> Now that I think about it, I believe this is what I was really asking
> about.. is it perhaps that good LCD TVs have so much
> smoothing/deinterlacing processing circuitry that the interlace timing
> is less of a problem when provided by VGA or HDMI?

but to run nvidia geforce 8/9 series cards with "1080i 50Hz" mode is not so 
easy 

or could you run 1080i mode on vdpau card with good result ?

Goga

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Re: [vdr] Patches for VGA timing not matching up with the TV

2009-08-15 Thread Pertti Kosunen

Goga777 wrote:

I'm wondering - does the problem with timing and sync also important and for 
for vdpau nvidia cards ? or that project is
important only for intel and ati ?


I think the problem is that you can't patch the binary driver.

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