RE: [vchkpw] /var/mail/vpopmail

[Jasper Metselaar]

My /var/mail/vpopmail file is still growing... :-(
Is there someone on the list that understand what's going wrong?

> What does your /var/qmail/rc file look like?

My qmail/rc file looks like this:

===START===
#!/bin/sh

# Using stdout for logging
# Using control/defaultdelivery from qmail-local to deliver messages by
default
exec env - PATH="/var/qmail/bin:$PATH" \
qmail-start "`cat /var/qmail/control/defaultdelivery`"
===END===

/var/qmail/control/defaultdelivery looks like this:
===START===
|dot-forward .forward
|preline procmail
===END===

Any suggestions?

Thanks in advance!

Jasper


> -Original Message-
> From: Jasper Metselaar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2003 7:38 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [vchkpw] Re /var/mail/vpopmail
>
>
> Doublebounce settings and .qmail files are ok.
>
> Below is a header of a message dumped to /var/mail/vpopmail. As you can
> see, this is not a bounce message... it's the original. When I sent
> this message to a non existing address the message was dumped to
> /var/mail/vpopmail and a non-delivery report was sent to the originator
> (me).
> START
> From vpopmail Thu Aug 28 16:31:45 2003
> Received: (qmail 4184 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2003 14:31:45 -
> Received: from xxx.xxx.xxx (xxx.xxx.xxx.xx)
>  by 0 with SMTP; 28 Aug 2003 14:31:45 -
> Received: from [xxx.xxx.xx.xxx] (helo=..xxx)
>by xx.x.xxx with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1)
>id 19sNoN-0001mk-00
>for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 16:31:43 +0200
> Received: by wfwin3 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19)
>id ; Thu, 28 Aug 2003 16:31:39 +0200
> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> From: "Metselaar, J.M." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: This is a test
> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 16:30:29 +0200
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19)
> Content-Type: text/plain
> END
>
> For some reason I think the problem is in my maildrop script, but I
> can't figure out where. The script is below:
>
> START
> import EXT
> import HOST
> VPOP="| /home/vpopmail/bin/vdelivermail '' bounce-no-mailbox"
> VHOME=`/home/vpopmail/bin/vuserinfo -d [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> if ( $SIZE < 262144 )
> {
> exception {
> xfilter "/usr/bin/spamc -f -u [EMAIL PROTECTED]"
>   }
> }
> if (/^X-Spam-Flag: *YES/)
>   {
>   # try filtering it using user-defined rules
>  exception {
>  include $VHOME/Maildir/.mailfilter
>}
>   # then try delivering it to a Spam folder
>  exception {
>   # to "$VPOP"
> to "$VHOME/Maildir/"
>}
>
># ah well, I guess they'll just have to live with disappointment
>
>  exception {
>  to "$VPOP"
>}
>  }
>
> else   {
>exception {
>include $VHOME/Maildir/.mailfilter
>  }
>exception {
>to "$VPOP"
>  }
>}
> END
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> - Jasper
>
>
>> I don't think it's vpopmail that's dropping it into that file.  It
>> sounds more like mail is being delivered to the vpopmail user on your
>> local system.> What does qmail have for it's double bounce account
>> (run /var/qmail/bin/qmail-showctl to see) and also what does your
>> /var/qmail/alias directory look like.. more specifically the .qmail
>> files inside it.
>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Jasper Metselaar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 3:04 AM
>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Subject: [vchkpw] /var/mail/vpopmail
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Vpopmail is running fine on my server, but there is on thing that's
>>> strange (in my opinion, anyway ;-)):There is a very fast growing
>>> file: /var/mail/vpopmail
>>>
>>> It looks like vpopmail is dumping undeliverable mail into this file.
>>> Is this normal or is there a misconfiguration somewhere?
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> - Jasper

RE: [vchkpw] Unable to access mail using POP and domain issues with vpopmail

[Balaji NJL]

yes it does hv Maildir under
/home/vpopmail/domains/ojoobala.com/balaji

the permissions are vpopmail/vchkpw. Maildir has the
following dir cur, new and tmp. it also contains sqweb
configuration details. All the directories hv 700.

i feel vpop is looking for Maildir under
/home/balaji/Maildir but not under
/home/vpopmail/domains/balaji/maildir. How to check
where its looking for the maildir.

Sqwebmail is working fine. it authenticates me
correctly and i am able to send and receive mail.

-B
--- Shane Chrisp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The user should have a maildir under
> ~/vpopmail/domains/ojoobala.com/myname/
> and it should be owned vpopmail.vchkpw with
> permissions 700.
> 
> Check that this is the case.
> 
> Shane
> 
> 
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Balaji NJL [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> >Sent: Monday, 8 September 2003 12:53 PM
> >To: Tom Collins; vpopmail list
> >Subject: Re: [vchkpw] Unable to access mail using
> POP and 
> >domain issues with vpopmail
> >
> >
> >i did that.
> >
> >now i am getting [EMAIL PROTECTED] and
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]  both delivered to my
> >ojoobala.com account. i am able to check the mails
> >using sqwebmail. but i am still unable to check it
> via
> >outlook express by POP. this is the error i am
> getting
> >
> >There was a problem logging onto your mail server.
> >Your Password was rejected. Account: '192.168.0.3',
> >Server: '192.168.0.3', Protocol: POP3, Server
> >Response: '-ERR this user has no $HOME/Maildir',
> Port:
> >110, Secure(SSL): No, Server Error: 0x800CCC90,
> Error
> >Number: 0x800CCC92
> >
> >i also tried this on my mailserver directly
> >
> >telnet localhost 110
> >user [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >pass x
> >-ERR this user has no $HOME/Maildir
> >
> >this is true because this is a virtual user and
> this
> >user doesnt hv Maildir.
> >
> >Any ideas whats happening...thanks,
> >-B
> >--- Balaji NJL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> you mean...
> >> ./vdeldomain mail.ojoobala.com
> >> and 
> >> ./vadddomain ojoobala.com
> >> and
> >> ./vaddaliasdomain mail.ojoobala.com ojoobala.com
> >>   
> >> Would this also solve my POP access problem.
> >> 
> >> thanks,
> >> -B
> >> 
> >> 
> >> --- Tom Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> > On Thursday, September 4, 2003, at 08:08  AM,
> >> Balaji
> >> > NJL wrote:
> >> > > i think the reason why it happens is that
> >> vopomail
> >> > > doesnt know anything about ojoobala.com. i
> >> > compiled
> >> > > ./vadddomain as mail.ojoobala.com. the only
> >> domain
> >> > i
> >> > > see under home/vpopmail/domain is
> >> > mail.ojoobala.com
> >> > > but no ojoobala.com.
> >> > 
> >> > vaddaliasdomain ojoobala.com mail.ojoobala.com
> >> > 
> >> > You might want to actually delete
> >> mail.ojoobala.com,
> >> > add ojoobala.com 
> >> > as the domain, and re-create mail.ojoobala.com
> as
> >> > the alias.
> >> > 
> >> > Make sure mail.ojoobala.com and ojoobala.com
> don't
> >> > appear in 
> >> > control/locals, but do appear in
> >> control/rcpthosts, 
> >> > control/virtualdomains and users/assign.
> >> > 
> >> > --
> >> > Tom Collins
> >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> > http://sniffter.com/ - info on the Sniffter
> >> > hand-held Network Tester
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> 
> >> 
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RE: [vchkpw] Unable to access mail using POP and domain issues with vpopmail

[Shane Chrisp]

If you type vdominfo ojoobala.com what output does it
show for dir?

>-Original Message-
>From: Balaji NJL [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>Sent: Tuesday, 9 September 2003 11:03 PM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: RE: [vchkpw] Unable to access mail using POP and 
>domain issues with vpopmail
>
>
>yes it does hv Maildir under
>/home/vpopmail/domains/ojoobala.com/balaji
>
>the permissions are vpopmail/vchkpw. Maildir has the
>following dir cur, new and tmp. it also contains sqweb
>configuration details. All the directories hv 700.
>
>i feel vpop is looking for Maildir under
>/home/balaji/Maildir but not under
>/home/vpopmail/domains/balaji/maildir. How to check
>where its looking for the maildir.
>
>Sqwebmail is working fine. it authenticates me
>correctly and i am able to send and receive mail.
>
>-B
>--- Shane Chrisp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> The user should have a maildir under
>> ~/vpopmail/domains/ojoobala.com/myname/
>> and it should be owned vpopmail.vchkpw with
>> permissions 700.
>> 
>> Check that this is the case.
>> 
>> Shane
>> 
>> 
>> >-Original Message-
>> >From: Balaji NJL [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>> >Sent: Monday, 8 September 2003 12:53 PM
>> >To: Tom Collins; vpopmail list
>> >Subject: Re: [vchkpw] Unable to access mail using
>> POP and 
>> >domain issues with vpopmail
>> >
>> >
>> >i did that.
>> >
>> >now i am getting [EMAIL PROTECTED] and
>> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]  both delivered to my
>> >ojoobala.com account. i am able to check the mails
>> >using sqwebmail. but i am still unable to check it
>> via
>> >outlook express by POP. this is the error i am
>> getting
>> >
>> >There was a problem logging onto your mail server.
>> >Your Password was rejected. Account: '192.168.0.3',
>> >Server: '192.168.0.3', Protocol: POP3, Server
>> >Response: '-ERR this user has no $HOME/Maildir',
>> Port:
>> >110, Secure(SSL): No, Server Error: 0x800CCC90,
>> Error
>> >Number: 0x800CCC92
>> >
>> >i also tried this on my mailserver directly
>> >
>> >telnet localhost 110
>> >user [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >pass x
>> >-ERR this user has no $HOME/Maildir
>> >
>> >this is true because this is a virtual user and
>> this
>> >user doesnt hv Maildir.
>> >
>> >Any ideas whats happening...thanks,
>> >-B
>> >--- Balaji NJL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> you mean...
>> >> ./vdeldomain mail.ojoobala.com
>> >> and 
>> >> ./vadddomain ojoobala.com
>> >> and
>> >> ./vaddaliasdomain mail.ojoobala.com ojoobala.com
>> >>   
>> >> Would this also solve my POP access problem.
>> >> 
>> >> thanks,
>> >> -B
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> --- Tom Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> > On Thursday, September 4, 2003, at 08:08  AM,
>> >> Balaji
>> >> > NJL wrote:
>> >> > > i think the reason why it happens is that
>> >> vopomail
>> >> > > doesnt know anything about ojoobala.com. i
>> >> > compiled
>> >> > > ./vadddomain as mail.ojoobala.com. the only
>> >> domain
>> >> > i
>> >> > > see under home/vpopmail/domain is
>> >> > mail.ojoobala.com
>> >> > > but no ojoobala.com.
>> >> > 
>> >> > vaddaliasdomain ojoobala.com mail.ojoobala.com
>> >> > 
>> >> > You might want to actually delete
>> >> mail.ojoobala.com,
>> >> > add ojoobala.com 
>> >> > as the domain, and re-create mail.ojoobala.com
>> as
>> >> > the alias.
>> >> > 
>> >> > Make sure mail.ojoobala.com and ojoobala.com
>> don't
>> >> > appear in 
>> >> > control/locals, but do appear in
>> >> control/rcpthosts, 
>> >> > control/virtualdomains and users/assign.
>> >> > 
>> >> > --
>> >> > Tom Collins
>> >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> > http://sniffter.com/ - info on the Sniffter
>> >> > hand-held Network Tester
>> >> > 
>> >> > 
>> >> 
>> >> 
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Re: [vchkpw] Message to ALL Was Shane's: Re: [vchkpw] FW: failure notice

[Tom Collins]

I tried to email Ken Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> about this, but efilter on 
their server blocked my message.

Ken, if you get this, please unsub [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Monday, September 8, 2003, at 06:43  PM, Chris Pugh wrote:
Looks like I was right after all about those messages
Shane .. still coming they are... and look what turned
up ..
=
Scan result: Virus [EMAIL PROTECTED] found.
==
Please ref:

http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Told you I was receiving rubbish responses.

Watch out all!

Regards,

Chris.

--- Shane Chrisp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Can we either get cz at neospire dot net to fix the
procmail/preline error
or get them unsub'd from the list. These bounces are
getting very annoying.
Shane

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, 8 September 2003 10:30 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: failure notice
Hi. This is the qmail-send program at
lump.internal.neospire.net.
I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to
the following addresses.
This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it
didn't work out.
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
preline: fatal: unable to run procmail: file does
not exist
--- Below this line is a copy of the message.

Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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2003 14:30:10 -
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by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-6.2.2)
for [EMAIL PROTECTED] (single-drop); Mon, 08 Sep 2003
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 22:24:01 +0800
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Subject: RE: [vchkpw] Hacked machine
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Status: U
And if your using a mysql backend, dump the db
aswell :)
-Original Message-
From: Rick Macdougall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, 8 September 2003 10:17 PM
To: Widmer Hannes
Cc: vpopmail list
Subject: Re: [vchkpw] Hacked machine
Hi,

Widmer Hannes wrote:

Hello List

I have a hacked machine and I have to reinstall
this one tonight.
Now, my short question is, what the best way is
to
backup / restore user's mailboxes. Is it enought
if I only macke
a copy of my vpopmail/domains dir ?.
/pathto/vpopmail/domains/*
/pathto/qmail/control/*
/pathto/qmail/users/*
One gotcha is the uid and gid in
/pathto/qmail/users/assign, make sure
it matches vpopmail.vchkpw

Regards,

Rick












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--
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Project Admin of http://qmailadmin.sf.net/ and http://vpopmail.sf.net/
http://sniffter.com/ - info on the Sniffter hand-held Network Tester

Re: [vchkpw] vpopmail + freebsd Compile error

[Tom Collins]

On Monday, September 8, 2003, at 09:02  PM, mc 02 wrote:
Ive download vpopmail-5.3.26.tar.gz. I am trying to compile it on 
FreeBSD 4.8-R and i get the following error:
There's an updated Makefile for 5.3.26 on SourceForge, along with the 
5.3.27 release which corrects those problems (among others).

Please note that http://vpopmail.sf.net/ is the primary source for 
vpopmail releases, and a great place to enter bug reports and feature 
requests.  A small group of developers is actively maintaining it there.

--
Tom Collins
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
QmailAdmin: http://qmailadmin.sf.net/  Vpopmail: http://vpopmail.sf.net/
Info on the Sniffter hand-held Network Tester: http://sniffter.com/

Re: [vchkpw] vpopmail + freebsd Compile error

[Ken Jones]

Just so everyone knows. Tom Collins is attempting
to fork the vpopmail project. He refuses to let me
share ownership of the vpopmail and qmailadmin
projects on source forge. When I asked him to 
add me as an owner on the project he said he 
refuses now and at any time in the future to
allow me to share ownership. 

Ken Jones
inter7.com

On Tuesday 09 September 2003 12:00 pm, Tom Collins wrote:
> On Monday, September 8, 2003, at 09:02  PM, mc 02 wrote:
> > Ive download vpopmail-5.3.26.tar.gz. I am trying to compile it on
> > FreeBSD 4.8-R and i get the following error:
>
> There's an updated Makefile for 5.3.26 on SourceForge, along with the
> 5.3.27 release which corrects those problems (among others).
>
> Please note that http://vpopmail.sf.net/ is the primary source for
> vpopmail releases, and a great place to enter bug reports and feature
> requests.  A small group of developers is actively maintaining it there.
>
> --
> Tom Collins
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> QmailAdmin: http://qmailadmin.sf.net/  Vpopmail: http://vpopmail.sf.net/
> Info on the Sniffter hand-held Network Tester: http://sniffter.com/

[vchkpw] Re: vpopmail + freebsd Compile error

[Paul L. Allen]

Tom Collins writes:

> A small group of developers is actively maintaining it there.

It would be nice to know what some of the more dangerous-sounding programs
in ~vpopmail/bin do without running them without giving a -? option and
hoping that it will be treated as an invalid option and therefore the
program will display a little usage information.  It looks like the docs
have not caught up with these.  Even a minimal description of what they all
do would be helpful.  I'd volunteer to read the source and create minimal
descriptions but the source doesn't say what they do either.

-- 
Paul Allen
Softflare Support

[vchkpw] Re: Tom's fork of vpopmail (and qmailadmin)

[Tom Collins]

On Tuesday, September 9, 2003, at 10:07  AM, Ken Jones wrote:
Just so everyone knows. Tom Collins is attempting
to fork the vpopmail project. He refuses to let me
share ownership of the vpopmail and qmailadmin
projects on source forge. When I asked him to
add me as an owner on the project he said he
refuses now and at any time in the future to
allow me to share ownership.
I have forked ownership since I felt that Inter7 was doing a poor job 
of maintaining vpopmail and qmailadmin.  I readily acknowledge that Ken 
created vpopmail and qmailadmin.  They're GPL projects, so I'm free to 
fork them if I like.  Since moving the projects to SourceForge, we've 
kept up with submitted patches and bug reports.  I feel that making the 
move was beneficial to the projects themselves and the people that use 
them.

I'm certainly not doing this to be malicious or to hurt Ken and Inter7.

I've told Ken that he's more than welcome to contribute to the project 
on SourceForge, or to maintain his own version of vpopmail and 
qmailadmin.  I also stated that until I stopped actively maintaining 
vpopmail and qmailadmin, I saw no need to add him as a project 
administrator.  Michael Bowe has been actively involved with vpopmail 
development, and I had no problem adding him as an admin.

Ken Jones hasn't contributed to vpopmail and qmailadmin development 
since March.  We've had 12 qmailadmin releases and 7 vpopmail releases 
since then.  Managing the projects on SourceForge keeps everything out 
in the open, and allows anyone to contribute.

Ken hasn't stated why he wants to be an owner of the project.  I'm not 
sure I understand what he loses out on by being a developer on the 
project and not an admin.

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Re: [vchkpw] Re: Tom's fork of vpopmail (and qmailadmin)

[Anders Brander]

Hi,

On Tue, 2003-09-09 at 19:30, Tom Collins wrote:
> I have forked ownership since I felt that Inter7 was doing a poor job 
> of maintaining vpopmail and qmailadmin.  I readily acknowledge that Ken 
> created vpopmail and qmailadmin.  They're GPL projects, so I'm free to 
> fork them if I like.  Since moving the projects to SourceForge, we've 
> kept up with submitted patches and bug reports.  I feel that making the 
> move was beneficial to the projects themselves and the people that use 
> them.

Fine, fine. But! Could we please change the name then? It will be a
support nightmare if we got two forks named the same. "vpopmail-sf" -
anything please!

[snip]
> since then.  Managing the projects on SourceForge keeps everything out 
> in the open, and allows anyone to contribute.

Please, can we have CVS access then? Or maybe just patches for every
release? It's a pain to keep a personal tree updated with new releases.

> Ken hasn't stated why he wants to be an owner of the project.  I'm not 
> sure I understand what he loses out on by being a developer on the 
> project and not an admin.

Prestige? - And maybe the fact that he created the thing in the first
place. Counterquestion: Why do you refuse to add him?

/Anders

Re: [vchkpw] Re: Tom's fork of vpopmail (and qmailadmin)

[Rick Romero]

On Tue, 2003-09-09 at 12:30, Tom Collins wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 9, 2003, at 10:07  AM, Ken Jones wrote:
> > Just so everyone knows. Tom Collins is attempting
> > to fork the vpopmail project. He refuses to let me
> > share ownership of the vpopmail and qmailadmin
> > projects on source forge. When I asked him to
> > add me as an owner on the project he said he
> > refuses now and at any time in the future to
> > allow me to share ownership.
> 
> I have forked ownership since I felt that Inter7 was doing a poor job 
> of maintaining vpopmail and qmailadmin.  I readily acknowledge that Ken 
> created vpopmail and qmailadmin.  They're GPL projects, so I'm free to 
> fork them if I like.  Since moving the projects to SourceForge, we've 
> kept up with submitted patches and bug reports.  I feel that making the 
> move was beneficial to the projects themselves and the people that use 
> them.

I would agree.



> Ken Jones hasn't contributed to vpopmail and qmailadmin development 
> since March.  We've had 12 qmailadmin releases and 7 vpopmail releases 
> since then.  Managing the projects on SourceForge keeps everything out 
> in the open, and allows anyone to contribute.

IMHO, I think Ken can bring a little more stability to the devel
releases.  Yes, we KNOW it's a development release, but some of the
Changelog entries show a lack of, umm, a polished release.

Now, while I didn't have a problem merging my hacks into the latest
inter7 devel version, I have yet to grab a sourceforge version simply
BECAUSE there are so many releases.  

I think that may cause problems with testing 5.2.2 in a production
environment.   While updates from Inter7 were sparse, I definitely felt
comfortable running the current devel version.

> Ken hasn't stated why he wants to be an owner of the project.  I'm not 
> sure I understand what he loses out on by being a developer on the 
> project and not an admin.

I would call it plain old common courtesy.  Nobody wants to see a power
struggle, or two vpopmail/qmailadmin projects, but a lot of people are
doing great things with these two projects.  I find it somewhat
unprofessional to fork the project using the same names at sourceforge,
and hijack the mailing lists in an effort to steer everyone towards your
fork.   

IMHO if you're going to be King, change your project names (so you don't
appear to be intentionally confusing newbies), and don't use this
mailing list.

Rick

> --
> Tom Collins
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> QmailAdmin: http://qmailadmin.sf.net/  Vpopmail: http://vpopmail.sf.net/
> Info on the Sniffter hand-held Network Tester: http://sniffter.com/

Re: [vchkpw] Re: Tom's fork of vpopmail (and qmailadmin)

[Anders Brander]

Hi,

On Tue, 2003-09-09 at 19:51, Rick Romero wrote:
> > Ken Jones hasn't contributed to vpopmail and qmailadmin development 
> > since March.  We've had 12 qmailadmin releases and 7 vpopmail releases 
> > since then.  Managing the projects on SourceForge keeps everything out 
> > in the open, and allows anyone to contribute.
> IMHO, I think Ken can bring a little more stability to the devel
> releases.  Yes, we KNOW it's a development release, but some of the
> Changelog entries show a lack of, umm, a polished release.

Agree. Let me say it this way, I've stopped using development releases
in any production-environment (Yep, I know - but we have to, and
everybody does it!).

> Now, while I didn't have a problem merging my hacks into the latest
> inter7 devel version, I have yet to grab a sourceforge version simply
> BECAUSE there are so many releases.  

Agree! Slow down, take a deep breath, give cvs-acces to those who can't
wait or are doing active development. The occasional bugfixer or 3-line
patcher doesn't need _bleeding_ edge code.

/Anders

Re: [vchkpw] Re: Tom's fork of vpopmail (and qmailadmin)

[Nick Harring]

Rick Romero wrote:

  On Tue, 2003-09-09 at 12:30, Tom Collins wrote:
  
  
On Tuesday, September 9, 2003, at 10:07  AM, Ken Jones wrote:


  Just so everyone knows. Tom Collins is attempting
to fork the vpopmail project. He refuses to let me
share ownership of the vpopmail and qmailadmin
projects on source forge. When I asked him to
add me as an owner on the project he said he
refuses now and at any time in the future to
allow me to share ownership.
  

I have forked ownership since I felt that Inter7 was doing a poor job 
of maintaining vpopmail and qmailadmin.  I readily acknowledge that Ken 
created vpopmail and qmailadmin.  They're GPL projects, so I'm free to 
fork them if I like.  Since moving the projects to SourceForge, we've 
kept up with submitted patches and bug reports.  I feel that making the 
move was beneficial to the projects themselves and the people that use 
them.

  
  
I would agree.



  
  
Ken Jones hasn't contributed to vpopmail and qmailadmin development 
since March.  We've had 12 qmailadmin releases and 7 vpopmail releases 
since then.  Managing the projects on SourceForge keeps everything out 
in the open, and allows anyone to contribute.
  

Perhaps it'd be valid for the vpopmail community to ask Ken why he
hasn't been active in contributing, hasn't openly objected to any of
the sucession of patches and release, and now suddenly is muddying the
waters with this issue. When a projects developement seems to die out,
a new person should be able to pickup the slack and keep things moving.
If Ken has an issue with that, it'd probably behoove him to let us know
why he waited, and where he'd see things going from now.

  


  
  
IMHO, I think Ken can bring a little more stability to the devel
releases.  Yes, we KNOW it's a development release, but some of the
Changelog entries show a lack of, umm, a polished release.

Now, while I didn't have a problem merging my hacks into the latest
inter7 devel version, I have yet to grab a sourceforge version simply
BECAUSE there are so many releases.  

I think that may cause problems with testing 5.2.2 in a production
environment.   While updates from Inter7 were sparse, I definitely felt
comfortable running the current devel version.

  
  
Ken hasn't stated why he wants to be an owner of the project.  I'm not 
sure I understand what he loses out on by being a developer on the 
project and not an admin.

  
  
I would call it plain old common courtesy.  Nobody wants to see a power
struggle, or two vpopmail/qmailadmin projects, but a lot of people are
doing great things with these two projects.  I find it somewhat
unprofessional to fork the project using the same names at sourceforge,
and hijack the mailing lists in an effort to steer everyone towards your
fork.   

I hardly see any evidence of mail list hijacking. Instead I see Tom
continually pitching in to help people with their problems,
contributing patches, and generally trying to be courteous and helpful
all over the place. The only contentiousness I've seen is just now in
relation to giving Ken admin rights on sourceforge. I certainly see
Ken's point that its his software, and while the license allows for
forks, general courtesy would require that the fork not be called
vpopmail. 
Regardless of who is leading developement, as a user I'd like to remind
everyone that the 5.3.x series really ought to heading towards a stable
release. New features are great, but they're only pushing out the
timeframe in which most of us can accept a release as production ready
and get to use some of those new features in real environments. If Ken
is going to be the person to get 5.4 out the door, then we need him to
be given the chance to take a more active role in leading his own
project. If he doesn't feel he can be that person, or doesn't wish to,
perhaps he should lead the charge on 5.5 while Tom gets 5.3 to the
point of becoming 5.4? 

  

IMHO if you're going to be King, change your project names (so you don't
appear to be intentionally confusing newbies), and don't use this
mailing list.

Rick

  


  
--
Tom Collins
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
QmailAdmin: http://qmailadmin.sf.net/  Vpopmail: http://vpopmail.sf.net/
Info on the Sniffter hand-held Network Tester: http://sniffter.com/

  
  

  


Ultimately, I'm going to track whichever code base appears most stable,
as new features aren't a big deal in my environment. I'm going to
mitigate that with also taking the stance that I need to be able to
trust the leader of the fork to act in the best interests of the user
base, in terms of stability, new features, and an open developement
model. Right now that would tend to be Tom, but Ken has only just begun
the dialogue, so many he'll be able to settle all of this with what he
has to say.

Cheers,
Nick Harring

Re: [vchkpw] Re: Tom's fork of vpopmail (and qmailadmin)

[Dave Richardson - Lists]

My only two points:
1) *IF* there is a fork, with two codebases, follow the others' 
suggestions and name the new fork differently so that we can have sane 
discussions about which program we are dealing with on any given matter.
2) *IF* there is a fork, and for either fork, manage releases and bug 
checking with the CVS "proving ground" to deal with dev. issues.  I 
would be hard pressed right now to recommend a particular "stable" 
version of vpopmail due to the heavy (and very welcome) rapid 
development and code polishing efforts over the last two months.

I LOVE the product, the confusion scares me.  
D.

Tom Collins wrote:

On Tuesday, September 9, 2003, at 10:07  AM, Ken Jones wrote:

Just so everyone knows. Tom Collins is attempting
to fork the vpopmail project. He refuses to let me
share ownership of the vpopmail and qmailadmin
projects on source forge. When I asked him to
add me as an owner on the project he said he
refuses now and at any time in the future to
allow me to share ownership.


I have forked ownership since I felt that Inter7 was doing a poor job 
of maintaining vpopmail and qmailadmin.  I readily acknowledge that 
Ken created vpopmail and qmailadmin.  They're GPL projects, so I'm 
free to fork them if I like.  Since moving the projects to 
SourceForge, we've kept up with submitted patches and bug reports.  I 
feel that making the move was beneficial to the projects themselves 
and the people that use them.

I'm certainly not doing this to be malicious or to hurt Ken and Inter7.

I've told Ken that he's more than welcome to contribute to the project 
on SourceForge, or to maintain his own version of vpopmail and 
qmailadmin.  I also stated that until I stopped actively maintaining 
vpopmail and qmailadmin, I saw no need to add him as a project 
administrator.  Michael Bowe has been actively involved with vpopmail 
development, and I had no problem adding him as an admin.

Ken Jones hasn't contributed to vpopmail and qmailadmin development 
since March.  We've had 12 qmailadmin releases and 7 vpopmail releases 
since then.  Managing the projects on SourceForge keeps everything out 
in the open, and allows anyone to contribute.

Ken hasn't stated why he wants to be an owner of the project.  I'm not 
sure I understand what he loses out on by being a developer on the 
project and not an admin.

--
Tom Collins
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
QmailAdmin: http://qmailadmin.sf.net/  Vpopmail: http://vpopmail.sf.net/
Info on the Sniffter hand-held Network Tester: http://sniffter.com/

Re: [vchkpw] Re: Tom's fork of vpopmail (and qmailadmin)

[tonix (Antonio Nati)]

At 09/09/03 09/09/03 -0700, Tom Collins wrote:

Ken Jones hasn't contributed to vpopmail and qmailadmin development since 
March.  We've had 12 qmailadmin releases and 7 vpopmail releases since 
then.  Managing the projects on SourceForge keeps everything out in the 
open, and allows anyone to contribute.

I see all new releases are full of bugs, and there is not a smooth 
transition over versions.

I'm seriously evaluating if to stop my vpopmail/qmailadmin usage at last 
Inter7 version, and then make my private changes.

Tonino


[EMAIL PROTECTED]Interazioni di Antonio Nati
   http://www.interazioni.it  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[vchkpw] Message Size

[Marlon Cabrera Oliveira]

Hi,

How I setup a limit for message size in qmail??

Thanks,

Marlon

RE: [vchkpw] Message Size

[Shane Chrisp]

put the size in bytes into /var/qmail/control/databytes

Shane

>-Original Message-
>From: Marlon Cabrera Oliveira [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>Sent: Wednesday, 10 September 2003 2:39 AM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: [vchkpw] Message Size
>
>
>
>Hi,
>
>How I setup a limit for message size in qmail??
>
>Thanks,
>
>Marlon
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [vchkpw] Re: Tom's fork of vpopmail (and qmailadmin)

[Paul Theodoropoulos]

At 11:22 AM 9/9/2003, tonix (Antonio Nati) wrote:
At 09/09/03 09/09/03 -0700, Tom Collins wrote:

Ken Jones hasn't contributed to vpopmail and qmailadmin development since 
March.  We've had 12 qmailadmin releases and 7 vpopmail releases since 
then.  Managing the projects on SourceForge keeps everything out in the 
open, and allows anyone to contribute.
I see all new releases are full of bugs, and there is not a smooth 
transition over versions.
while i wouldn't go so far as to say *full* of bugs, there do seem to be 
new and different/interesting bugs with each release. That's of course 
expected, however with the frequency of releases, it leads to uneasiness. 
I'm frankly still on vpopmail version 5.3.18, and have been waiting before 
upgrading, looking for a good long 'quiet period' - no reports of 
significant bugs after the release has been in the field for a while.

like many administrators, when a new release comes out, i don't immediately 
put it into production. i wait at least two weeks before even beginning to 
consider an upgrade. Let others who are willing thresh the bugs first. this 
tends to minimize 'bug bites' in production.

i'd prefer to see a single vpopmail, and see ken's active participation. 
whether he shoudl be an admin or not is something i can't provide an 
informed opinion on. but if i had my druthers, i'd like to see tom and ken 
bury the hatchet and work cooperatively. that implies compromise from both 
towards a mutually agreeable middle ground.

Paul Theodoropoulos
http://www.anastrophe.com

[vchkpw] Test, is this msg going out at all?

[Shai Ben-Naphtali]

Hi,
I get an error when I send out msgs to the mailing lists... but I wonder if
you guys knew what they mean. This is a test mail just to get the msg, and
then, if you even get this msg, I'll add the reply emails I get from a
server I know nothing about...

Shai

[vchkpw] RE: OFF LIST - Re: [vchkpw] Test, is this msg going out at all?

[Shai Ben-Naphtali]

Hi Chris,
I don't know what you mean but this virus warning.. but the errors I get are
not exactly errors. They are two emails that come back to me every time I
send to either list on vpopmail, sqwebmail or courier-IMAP mailing lists.

emails described below:

1. Subject: failure notice
Downsized Content:
"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
preline: fatal: unable to run procmail: file does not exist"

2. Subject: Your FAX to +14159408776
Downsized Content:
"**MESSAGE FROM THE TPC.INT SINKHOLE**

We regret to inform you that the phone number you attempted
to reach is not currently being served by a remote printer
operator. Your original message is attached so that you may
send it by alternative means.

We hope to have coverage in this area -- perhaps
you know somebody who could operate a remote printer server?
Does your ISP provide fax coverage in your local area?  If not,
perhaps they would benefit by setting up a fax server and
joining TPC.INT. Speak with your ISP and show them why they
might want to come online as a TPC "cell":

http://www.tpc.int/servers/salespitch.html";

So what do you say? You know anything about these emails getting back to me
every time I send out a mail to these mailing lists?

Cheers,
Shai


> -Original Message-
> From: Chris Pugh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 9:02 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: OFF LIST - Re: [vchkpw] Test, is this msg going out at all?
>
>
> Shai,
>
> yes they are being received.
>
> You obviously missed my previous message to the list.
> See below ..
>
> > I get an error when I send out msgs to the mailing
> > lists... but I wonder if
> > you guys knew what they mean. This is a test mail
> > just to get the msg, and
> > then, if you even get this msg, I'll add the reply
> > emails I get from a
> > server I know nothing about...
>
> ++
> On Monday, September 8, 2003, at 06:43  PM, Chris Pugh
> wrote:
> > Looks like I was right after all about those
> messages
> > Shane .. still coming they are... and look what
> turned
> > up ..
> >
> > =
> > Scan result: Virus [EMAIL PROTECTED] found.
> > ==
> >
> > Please ref:
> >
> >
> http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > Told you I was receiving rubbish responses.
> >
> > Watch out all!
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> >
> > Chris.
>
>
> ++
>
> __
> Do you Yahoo!?
> Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software
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[vchkpw] Inter7, vpopmail, and open source standards

[Ms. Catherine Kouzmanoff]

In an attempt to articulate the misgivings of the current politics on 
the vchkpw mailing list, Inter7 has prepared the following issues for 
your consideration:

1. "Since moving the projects to SourceForge, we've kept up with 
submitted patches and bug reports. I feel that making the move was 
beneficial to the projects themselves and the people that use them," Tom 
Collins.

The inherently ideal circumstances of free and open source software is 
community development, testing, and support. Inter7 agrees that 
SourceForge is a recommended outlet to foster this ideal.

2. "I'm certainly not doing this to be malicious or to hurt Ken and 
Inter7," Tom Collins.

This is irrelevant and to mention so implies that your intentions may be 
potentially negative and hostile to community development.

3. "Ken Jones hasn't contributed to vpopmail and qmailadmin developmeny 
since March. We've had 12 qmailadmin releases and 7 vpopmail releases 
since then. Managing the projects on SourceForge keeps everything out in 
the open, and allows anyone to contribute," Tom Collins.

For seven years, Inter7 has been the original and primary development 
source for vpopmail, qmailadmin, vQadmin, eps, vQregister, DNSadmin, 
etc. The lack of "everything out in the open" is obvious when the intent 
of Tom Collins is to block the industry standard leader's contributions.

4. "Ken hasn't stated why he wants to be an owner of the project," Tom 
Collins.

Because he is. And without the support and encouragement of the entire 
community none of this software would be where it is today. Having set 
the standards and bench marks of performance, reliability, and backwards 
compatibility for vpopmail and related software, it is imperative to the 
Qmail community to have the assurance of Inter7 supported software 
development. Without public ownership of the vpopmail development on 
SourceForge, this is impossible and brings up many of the concerns that 
followed this email...

5. "Counterquestion: Why do you [Tom Collins] refuse to add him [Ken 
Jones]?" /Anders

Let us release our infantile dirt and get over our fragile geek egos. 
The ideologies of free and open source software will crumble under this 
nonsense. It is the acts of few like Tom Collins that remind big brother 
corporations like Microsoft how to insult the open source community. As 
a community, we must join together to support and continue development 
of free and open source software under the guidelines of mutually 
beneficial and reliable development standards.

6. Cracking industry standards and disregarding the methodologies that 
create superior software because of the inherent nature of open source 
development can have devastating results in the pursuance of its use. If 
we cannot create an environment of confidence, our politics will ruin 
future development.

In support of this point:
"While updates from Inter7 were sparse, I definitely felt comfortable 
running the current devel version." [snip] "I find it somewhat 
unprofessional to fork the project using the same names at sourceforge, 
and hijack the mailing lists in an effort to steer everyone towards your 
fork. ," Rick.

7. " (i) Perhaps it'd be valid for the vpopmail community to ask Ken why 
he hasn't been active in contributing, hasn't openly objected to any of 
the sucession of patches and release, and now suddenly is muddying the 
waters with this issue. (ii) When a projects developement seems to die 
out, a new person should be able to pickup the slack and keep things 
moving. (iii) If Ken has an issue with that, it'd probably behoove him 
to let us know why he waited, and where he'd see things going from now," 
Nick Harring.

i. Inter7 has been in rapid development of several free and open source 
development projects including the rapid demand for commercial support 
since the downturn in the economy has popularized Nix based operating 
systems. The community gains from this development and market creation 
by being able to be consultants themselves and by knowing that thousands 
of companies across the globe are hammering away at the very software we 
need to deem stable.

ii. It is probably important to Tom Collins that you not think any of 
this software has "died" out. Perhaps you have only recently started 
using vpopmail and that is why your opinion lacks in factual substance. 
Regardless, it would be a far cry to imply publicly, in particular this 
list, that vpopmail has died out without explicitly detailing your 
comments as a query. It is comments like this that will spread unfounded 
fear among newbies researching Qmail solutions.

iii. Inter7 has made constant headway in the development of free and 
open source email software for nearly seven years. [Ken Jones has been 
writing open source software for 19 years.] The obvious ramifications of 
hosting mailing lists, download portals, and IRC channels means that 
Inter7 and Ken Jones have never for a single moment stopped supporting 
commun

Re: [vchkpw] Re: Tom's fork of vpopmail (and qmailadmin)

[Charles Sprickman]

On Tue, 9 Sep 2003, Tom Collins wrote:

> I have forked ownership since I felt that Inter7 was doing a poor job
> of maintaining vpopmail and qmailadmin.  I readily acknowledge that Ken
> created vpopmail and qmailadmin.  They're GPL projects, so I'm free to
> fork them if I like.  Since moving the projects to SourceForge, we've
> kept up with submitted patches and bug reports.  I feel that making the
> move was beneficial to the projects themselves and the people that use
> them.

I fully agree, and my rose-colored glasses are not on.  People are
complaining about the rapid release process right now, but I think that's
to be expected.  It seems there's a big cleanup in progress, and that will
stir up bugs.  Always has, always will.  I for one gladly accept this
because I have faith that the final product will be greatly improved.

> I'm certainly not doing this to be malicious or to hurt Ken and Inter7.

As a user, not a developer, I don't see anything malicious.

> Ken Jones hasn't contributed to vpopmail and qmailadmin development
> since March.  We've had 12 qmailadmin releases and 7 vpopmail releases
> since then.  Managing the projects on SourceForge keeps everything out
> in the open, and allows anyone to contribute.

And this is very important.  I have no beef with Inter7, but if you look
at the mailing lists, you'll see patch after patch disappear into the
ether, never to be incorporated into the source.  As a user, I want to see
forward motion, even if there are periods of instability.  Having been a
user of free software for more than 7 years, I must say this is not at all
shocking.  I really look forward to seeing CVS set up (and can offer a cvs
server for both public and developer use) and seeing more people use SF
resources to submit and track bug reports.

Without dissing Ken and Inter7, I have to say that I find Tom to be very
responsive, and it's obvious he's putting a huge amount of personal time
into moving the project forward.

I see no reason for people to pick this very time to crawl out of the
woodwork and bitch about the "instability" of current vpopmail code,
implying that past releases were really that much more "stable".

vpopmail has always been very close to "coming together", and now we've
got some great progress in cleaning things up.

Thanks to all involved,

Charles

> Tom Collins
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> QmailAdmin: http://qmailadmin.sf.net/  Vpopmail: http://vpopmail.sf.net/
> Info on the Sniffter hand-held Network Tester: http://sniffter.com/
>
>
>

Re: [vchkpw] RE: OFF LIST - Re: [vchkpw] Test, is this msg going out at all?

[kevin]

I belive what you are seeing is reply from [EMAIL PROTECTED]   Each time I
send a message to this list, I get a reply from him/She that contain a
viruse.  So Far, my antiviruse did its jobs, but the problem is still there.
- Original Message - 
From: "Shai Ben-Naphtali" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 1:14 PM
Subject: [vchkpw] RE: OFF LIST - Re: [vchkpw] Test, is this msg going out at
all?


> Hi Chris,
> I don't know what you mean but this virus warning.. but the errors I get
are
> not exactly errors. They are two emails that come back to me every time I
> send to either list on vpopmail, sqwebmail or courier-IMAP mailing lists.
>
> emails described below:
>
> 1. Subject: failure notice
> Downsized Content:
> "<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> preline: fatal: unable to run procmail: file does not exist"
>
> 2. Subject: Your FAX to +14159408776
> Downsized Content:
> "**MESSAGE FROM THE TPC.INT SINKHOLE**
>
> We regret to inform you that the phone number you attempted
> to reach is not currently being served by a remote printer
> operator. Your original message is attached so that you may
> send it by alternative means.
>
> We hope to have coverage in this area -- perhaps
> you know somebody who could operate a remote printer server?
> Does your ISP provide fax coverage in your local area?  If not,
> perhaps they would benefit by setting up a fax server and
> joining TPC.INT. Speak with your ISP and show them why they
> might want to come online as a TPC "cell":
>
> http://www.tpc.int/servers/salespitch.html";
>
> So what do you say? You know anything about these emails getting back to
me
> every time I send out a mail to these mailing lists?
>
> Cheers,
> Shai
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Chris Pugh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 9:02 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: OFF LIST - Re: [vchkpw] Test, is this msg going out at all?
> >
> >
> > Shai,
> >
> > yes they are being received.
> >
> > You obviously missed my previous message to the list.
> > See below ..
> >
> > > I get an error when I send out msgs to the mailing
> > > lists... but I wonder if
> > > you guys knew what they mean. This is a test mail
> > > just to get the msg, and
> > > then, if you even get this msg, I'll add the reply
> > > emails I get from a
> > > server I know nothing about...
> >
> > ++
> > On Monday, September 8, 2003, at 06:43  PM, Chris Pugh
> > wrote:
> > > Looks like I was right after all about those
> > messages
> > > Shane .. still coming they are... and look what
> > turned
> > > up ..
> > >
> > > =
> > > Scan result: Virus [EMAIL PROTECTED] found.
> > > ==
> > >
> > > Please ref:
> > >
> > >
> > http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > > Told you I was receiving rubbish responses.
> > >
> > > Watch out all!
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > >
> > > Chris.
> >
> >
> > ++
> >
> > __
> > Do you Yahoo!?
> > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software
> > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com
> >
> >
>
>
>

Re: [vchkpw] Inter7, vpopmail, and open source standards

[Paul Theodoropoulos]

ahem. this is not a good response, very, very disappointing. comments below.

At 12:44 PM 9/9/2003, Ms. Catherine Kouzmanoff wrote:
2. "I'm certainly not doing this to be malicious or to hurt Ken and 
Inter7," Tom Collins.

This is irrelevant and to mention so implies that your intentions may be 
potentially negative and hostile to community development.
horse manure. it does not imply, *you* are inferring. This is a backhanded 
attack. He made his statement forthrightly; you attack him for doing so. 
Truly ignoble.

3. "Ken Jones hasn't contributed to vpopmail and qmailadmin developmeny 
since March. We've had 12 qmailadmin releases and 7 vpopmail releases 
since then. Managing the projects on SourceForge keeps everything out in 
the open, and allows anyone to contribute," Tom Collins.

For seven years, Inter7 has been the original and primary development 
source for vpopmail, qmailadmin, vQadmin, eps, vQregister, DNSadmin, etc.
so, in support of *your* arguments, you're happy to bring in irrelevancies. 
This regards vpopmail, period. don't muddy the topic with irrelevant 
references to other projects you have. Neither is this responsive to the 
fact that inter7's development of VPOPMAIL has been moribund for quite some 
time.

The lack of "everything out in the open" is obvious when the intent of Tom 
Collins is to block the industry standard leader's contributions.
ahem. more inferences. my opinion of inter7 is plummeting. These rhetorical 
jabs (and self-important huffing and puffing) are inappropriate.


4. "Ken hasn't stated why he wants to be an owner of the project," Tom 
Collins.

Because he is.
Then you'd better withdraw the GPL license from the work. Or do you not 
understand GPL?

And without the support and encouragement of the entire community none of 
this software would be where it is today. Having set the standards and 
bench marks of performance, reliability, and backwards compatibility for 
vpopmail and related software, it is imperative to the Qmail community to 
have the assurance of Inter7 supported software development. Without 
public ownership of the vpopmail development on SourceForge, this is 
impossible and brings up many of the concerns that followed this email...
GPL. repeat after me. GPL. ANYONE is free to do what they want with the 
software, with or without your support, so long as they in turn don't 
violate the GPL. You chose to release your software via GPL. live with it, 
or work WITH the community you created when you released the software with 
that license. So far, you seem to be suggesting that the opposite is the 
case - the community owes YOU.


5. "Counterquestion: Why do you [Tom Collins] refuse to add him [Ken 
Jones]?" /Anders

Let us release our infantile dirt and get over our fragile geek egos. The 
ideologies of free and open source software will crumble under this 
nonsense. It is the acts of few like Tom Collins that remind big brother 
corporations like Microsoft how to insult the open source community. As a 
community, we must join together to support and continue development of 
free and open source software under the guidelines of mutually beneficial 
and reliable development standards.
getting very, very thick in here. the above is utterly unprofessional, 
particularly when you are doing nothing at all that could be characterized 
as "join[ing] together". You are creating a worse rift than before.


6. Cracking industry standards and disregarding the methodologies that 
create superior software because of the inherent nature of open source 
development can have devastating results in the pursuance of its use. If 
we cannot create an environment of confidence, our politics will ruin 
future development.
then why has inter7 not supported 'their' software? why didn't inter7 
create the sourceforge project? why has development been moribund? inter7 
has very definitely not created an environment of confidence in vpopmail. 
this entire issue would not have arisen had inter7 been responsive to the 
community, which has been begging for bug fixes for a long time.

7. " (i) Perhaps it'd be valid for the vpopmail community to ask Ken why 
he hasn't been active in contributing, hasn't openly objected to any of 
the sucession of patches and release, and now suddenly is muddying the 
waters with this issue. (ii) When a projects developement seems to die 
out, a new person should be able to pickup the slack and keep things 
moving. (iii) If Ken has an issue with that, it'd probably behoove him to 
let us know why he waited, and where he'd see things going from now," Nick 
Harring.

i. Inter7 has been in rapid development of several free and open source 
development projects including the rapid demand for commercial support 
since the downturn in the economy has popularized Nix based operating 
systems. The community gains from this development and market creation by 
being able to be consultants themselves and by knowing that thousands of 
companies across the gl

Re: [vchkpw] Inter7, vpopmail, and open source standards

[Oden Eriksson]

tisdagen den 9 september 2003 21.44 skrev Ms. Catherine Kouzmanoff:

> For seven years, Inter7 has been the original and primary development
> source for vpopmail, qmailadmin, vQadmin, eps, vQregister, DNSadmin,

Incorrect, let me remind you "vpopmail" itself is a fork off of the work by 
Chris Johnson in 1998/1999 and his "vchkpw" software..., that's what..., like 
minus three years?

Cheers.

Re: [vchkpw] Inter7, vpopmail, and open source standards

[Nick Harring]

Ms. Catherine Kouzmanoff wrote:

In an attempt to articulate the misgivings of the current politics on 
the vchkpw mailing list, Inter7 has prepared the following issues for 
your consideration:

1. "Since moving the projects to SourceForge, we've kept up with 
submitted patches and bug reports. I feel that making the move was 
beneficial to the projects themselves and the people that use them," 
Tom Collins.

The inherently ideal circumstances of free and open source software is 
community development, testing, and support. Inter7 agrees that 
SourceForge is a recommended outlet to foster this ideal.

2. "I'm certainly not doing this to be malicious or to hurt Ken and 
Inter7," Tom Collins.

This is irrelevant and to mention so implies that your intentions may 
be potentially negative and hostile to community development.

3. "Ken Jones hasn't contributed to vpopmail and qmailadmin 
developmeny since March. We've had 12 qmailadmin releases and 7 
vpopmail releases since then. Managing the projects on SourceForge 
keeps everything out in the open, and allows anyone to contribute," 
Tom Collins.

For seven years, Inter7 has been the original and primary development 
source for vpopmail, qmailadmin, vQadmin, eps, vQregister, DNSadmin, 
etc. The lack of "everything out in the open" is obvious when the 
intent of Tom Collins is to block the industry standard leader's 
contributions.

4. "Ken hasn't stated why he wants to be an owner of the project," Tom 
Collins.

Because he is. And without the support and encouragement of the entire 
community none of this software would be where it is today. Having set 
the standards and bench marks of performance, reliability, and 
backwards compatibility for vpopmail and related software, it is 
imperative to the Qmail community to have the assurance of Inter7 
supported software development. Without public ownership of the 
vpopmail development on SourceForge, this is impossible and brings up 
many of the concerns that followed this email...

5. "Counterquestion: Why do you [Tom Collins] refuse to add him [Ken 
Jones]?" /Anders

Let us release our infantile dirt and get over our fragile geek egos. 
The ideologies of free and open source software will crumble under 
this nonsense. It is the acts of few like Tom Collins that remind big 
brother corporations like Microsoft how to insult the open source 
community. As a community, we must join together to support and 
continue development of free and open source software under the 
guidelines of mutually beneficial and reliable development standards.

6. Cracking industry standards and disregarding the methodologies that 
create superior software because of the inherent nature of open source 
development can have devastating results in the pursuance of its use. 
If we cannot create an environment of confidence, our politics will 
ruin future development.

In support of this point:
"While updates from Inter7 were sparse, I definitely felt comfortable 
running the current devel version." [snip] "I find it somewhat 
unprofessional to fork the project using the same names at 
sourceforge, and hijack the mailing lists in an effort to steer 
everyone towards your fork. ," Rick.

7. " (i) Perhaps it'd be valid for the vpopmail community to ask Ken 
why he hasn't been active in contributing, hasn't openly objected to 
any of the sucession of patches and release, and now suddenly is 
muddying the waters with this issue. (ii) When a projects developement 
seems to die out, a new person should be able to pickup the slack and 
keep things moving. (iii) If Ken has an issue with that, it'd probably 
behoove him to let us know why he waited, and where he'd see things 
going from now," Nick Harring.

i. Inter7 has been in rapid development of several free and open 
source development projects including the rapid demand for commercial 
support since the downturn in the economy has popularized Nix based 
operating systems. The community gains from this development and 
market creation by being able to be consultants themselves and by 
knowing that thousands of companies across the globe are hammering 
away at the very software we need to deem stable.
While that is, in a sense, an answer to the question I posed, it doesn't 
explain why there has been zero developement from Inter7, specifically 
from Ken Jones, for some period of time now. There are features in the 
5.3 series of vpopmail releases that I would like to use, however I 
cannot in good conscience run a test release of the software in a large 
production environment. Its not good practice as a professional, and its 
not good practice to service my customers. The Inter7 website even says 
*not* to run this code in production. So, if developement appears to be 
making zero progress towards a stable release, and your email itself 
says that you're busy doing work on other projects (which is all that I 
can interpret from what you said), then what is the community who uses 
this stuff pr

RE: [vchkpw] Re: Tom's fork of vpopmail (and qmailadmin)

[Robert Kropiewnicki]

Hello all,

I figured I'd throw in my 2 cents on the matter.  Please note, I'm not a
programmer and do not claim to be one.  My views are purely from the
standpoint of someone who has been using vpopmail happily for a couple
of years now.  It is one of the first open source software packages I
had the pleasure of using in Linux.

1. I agree with the decision to open a Sourceforge project for the
development of vpopmail.  Sourceforge is pretty much the de facto
standard with regards to open source projects.  If we're going to have
more development from the community at large, it would make sense to use
Sourceforge for the repository.

2. I disagree with the decision to leave Ken Jones off the ownership
list for vpopmail.  I recognize Tom's right to do so, but I still don't
think it's the right thing to do.  For whatever reasons, Ken has not
contributed to the vpopmail project as much (if at all) recently as he
has in the past.  I do not dispute this.  However, I do believe that
without Ken, or at least someone from Inter7, as one of the owners, this
may become a dead-end project.

3. I am heavily concerned that the latest stable release of vpopmail is
still at 5.2.1. I am troubled by this notion that it is acceptable in
the business world to run development level software in a production
environment, especially given that the latest development release keeps
changing.  What is the latest "stable" development release?  The fact
that Inter7 has, on more than one occasion right on this mailing list,
fed into this notion of development releases being ok for production
environments is a source of great annoyance.  A number of the different
software packages on Inter7's website no longer differentiate between
development and stable release.  IIRC, the latest stable version of
vqadmin requires a development version of vpopmail.

4. Given the failure of Inter7 with regards to point number three, who
is going to be responsible for deciding a particular development release
is good enough to be declared stable?  While the quickly increasing
version number on both vpopmail and qmailadmin is an impressive
statement about the power of community written software, anything
related to mail server operation is not a toy.  This is not something we
just sit around with on a computer in the back room and run it because
we can.  Those of us using the software in a production environment need
to know that there is a version where no new features were added and all
known bugs were fixed.  If 5.2.1 is the last version we're going to be
able to call a stable release, sysadmins running vpopmail will need to
decide if 5.2.1 is acceptable.  If not, it may be time to look into some
other virtual domain manager such as vmailmgr.  The same goes for
qmailadmin.

Regards,

Robert Kropiewnicki

[vchkpw] malicious subs

[Charles Sprickman]

It seems that someone is subscribing this list to a number of improper
addresses to disrupt things...

-an address that responds back to posts with a virus
-various abuse@ and postmaster@ addresses

Could whomever maintains this list have a look at the subscription list
and pull some of the more obviously bogus addresses out of the list?

Thanks,

Charles

Re: [vchkpw] Inter7, vpopmail, and open source standards

[Ken Jones]

On Tuesday 09 September 2003 4:14 pm, Oden Eriksson wrote:
> tisdagen den 9 september 2003 21.44 skrev Ms. Catherine Kouzmanoff:
> > For seven years, Inter7 has been the original and primary development
> > source for vpopmail, qmailadmin, vQadmin, eps, vQregister, DNSadmin,
>
> Incorrect, let me remind you "vpopmail" itself is a fork off of the work by
> Chris Johnson in 1998/1999 and his "vchkpw" software..., that's what...,
> like minus three years?
>
> Cheers.

That is not quite correct. vpopmail is not a fork of vchkpw. 

When I started working on vchkpw I asked Chris Johnson
if it would be okay for me to do the primary development work
on the project. He agreed and I started the work. I think
that was back in 1998.

In the same spirit of community and co-operation, Bill Shupp
took over primary development for quite some time. Our
last combined release was in April. 

Ken Jones
inter7.com

Re: [vchkpw] Inter7, vpopmail, and open source standards

[JB]

Inter7 remains supportive of all efforts to enhance the development 
process. However, we cannot publicly back the development efforts of 
Tom Collins' work without administrative privileges on SourceForge. It 
is a time to call together everyone on this list to insist that Tom 
Collins add Ken Jones or another representative from Inter7. We are 
all a part of the community development process. Without cohesion, 
Tom's efforts may be in vain. Tom has great ideas. Tom is putting the 
efforts into managing the SourceForge development. And if these 
efforts can enhance and support our open source community, we will 
show our support.

Tom, give us something we can support. Give our community the name 
backing it needs to feel confident using the SourceForge new versions.

I agree with Catherine. I appreciate the hard work by Tom and others but 
have not heard a good reason why Ken should not have a leading role to 
play. This means Ken should have an admin account on sourceforge. Tom 
brings a lot of good ideas and cooperation will benefit everyone.

~jb

Re: [vchkpw] Inter7, vpopmail, and open source standards

[Paul Theodoropoulos]

At 02:46 PM 9/9/2003, Ken Jones wrote:
In the same spirit of community and co-operation, Bill Shupp
took over primary development for quite some time. Our
last combined release was in April.
How has what Tom has done been any different, up to the conflict that's 
recently come to light? Since you have not been involved in primary 
development for quite some time, why do you feel you need administrative 
access to the sourceforge project, rather than participating as a 
developer? I'm not asking that in a 'sassy' tone, i'm posing it as a 
thoughtful inquiry.

i'll reiterate for the record, i have no beef with you - and frankly am 
very appreciative of the work you did in the past, as vpopmail is a 
terrific system. But i don't entirely understand the current conflict, 
other than one of 'clash of egos' rather than anything technical or 
administrative in nature.

As a developer, would you not be willing to participate in further vpopmail 
development via the sourceforge project as such?

a question for tom, if ken does participate as a developer, and contributes 
in a manner representative of a lead developer, at a later time would you 
consider adding him as an administrator?

Paul Theodoropoulos
http://www.anastrophe.com

Re: [vchkpw] Inter7, vpopmail, and open source standards

[Ms. Catherine Kouzmanoff]

Nick, I apologize for the misunderstanding. I was not replying to you 
personally or attempting to answer any questions you may have. 
Furthermore, I'm afraid that you may have missed the point: we want to 
support Tom Collins on SourceForge.

Regards,

Catherine

Re: [vchkpw] Inter7, vpopmail, and open source standards

[Tom Collins]

On Tuesday, September 9, 2003, at 03:18  PM, Paul Theodoropoulos wrote:
a question for tom, if ken does participate as a developer, and 
contributes in a manner representative of a lead developer, at a later 
time would you consider adding him as an administrator?
Definitely.  Up until now, I haven't seen a need for Ken to have admin 
access.  I'll admit that I was hesitant to add Ken as an admin on the 
off chance that he would then demote me from admin status, thus 
preventing me from releasing files or modifying the trackers.

I have been learning about CVS today, and will have a CVS repository of 
the current versions of vpopmail and qmailadmin available within the 
next 24 hours.  I want to make sure I have a full understanding of how 
CVS works so I can make sure I set it up properly (and know how to 
correctly commit future changes).

I'd like to discuss a system for managing updates and deciding on how 
to test a release for stability before releasing it.  5.2.1 is an old 
release, and we've incorporated many bug fixes and new features into 
the 5.3 line.  Michael Bowe back-ported many bug fixes to a 5.2.2 
release available on SourceForge, but we don't have the resources to 
test it and declare it stable.

My goal has been to get to a 5.4 release from the current 5.3 series.  
I personally use 5.3.20 on my production server, and perhaps it would 
be a good idea to include information on the site as to the most recent 
"stable" development release for those who like to live on the cutting 
edge (and will keep up with the mailing list for announcements of bug 
fixes).

I would like to find a way for Inter7 to embrace the projects on 
SourceForge, and even consider moving some of their other projects 
there (like vqadmin).  I'm more than happy to just contribute code if 
others can do file releases and (more importantly) additional testing 
and quality control.

--
Tom Collins
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
QmailAdmin: http://qmailadmin.sf.net/  Vpopmail: http://vpopmail.sf.net/
Info on the Sniffter hand-held Network Tester: http://sniffter.com/

Re: [vchkpw] Inter7, vpopmail, and open source standards

[Ms. Catherine Kouzmanoff]

Good afternoon Paul,
I'm afraid you too may have taken this personally.
I choose my grammatically inferred semantics wisey. Remember, may, is 
only a possibility.

I understand your email as a misunderstanding to the position Inter7 is 
taking: we want to be able to support Tom Collins.

Rejoice in the good things.

Catherine

Paul Theodoropoulos wrote:

ahem. this is not a good response, very, very disappointing. comments 
below.

At 12:44 PM 9/9/2003, Ms. Catherine Kouzmanoff wrote:

2. "I'm certainly not doing this to be malicious or to hurt Ken and 
Inter7," Tom Collins.

This is irrelevant and to mention so implies that your intentions may 
be potentially negative and hostile to community development.


horse manure. it does not imply, *you* are inferring. This is a 
backhanded attack. He made his statement forthrightly; you attack him 
for doing so. Truly ignoble.

3. "Ken Jones hasn't contributed to vpopmail and qmailadmin 
developmeny since March. We've had 12 qmailadmin releases and 7 
vpopmail releases since then. Managing the projects on SourceForge 
keeps everything out in the open, and allows anyone to contribute," 
Tom Collins.

For seven years, Inter7 has been the original and primary development 
source for vpopmail, qmailadmin, vQadmin, eps, vQregister, DNSadmin, 
etc.


so, in support of *your* arguments, you're happy to bring in 
irrelevancies. This regards vpopmail, period. don't muddy the topic 
with irrelevant references to other projects you have. Neither is this 
responsive to the fact that inter7's development of VPOPMAIL has been 
moribund for quite some time.

The lack of "everything out in the open" is obvious when the intent 
of Tom Collins is to block the industry standard leader's contributions.


ahem. more inferences. my opinion of inter7 is plummeting. These 
rhetorical jabs (and self-important huffing and puffing) are 
inappropriate.


4. "Ken hasn't stated why he wants to be an owner of the project," 
Tom Collins.

Because he is.


Then you'd better withdraw the GPL license from the work. Or do you 
not understand GPL?

And without the support and encouragement of the entire community 
none of this software would be where it is today. Having set the 
standards and bench marks of performance, reliability, and backwards 
compatibility for vpopmail and related software, it is imperative to 
the Qmail community to have the assurance of Inter7 supported 
software development. Without public ownership of the vpopmail 
development on SourceForge, this is impossible and brings up many of 
the concerns that followed this email...


GPL. repeat after me. GPL. ANYONE is free to do what they want with 
the software, with or without your support, so long as they in turn 
don't violate the GPL. You chose to release your software via GPL. 
live with it, or work WITH the community you created when you released 
the software with that license. So far, you seem to be suggesting that 
the opposite is the case - the community owes YOU.


5. "Counterquestion: Why do you [Tom Collins] refuse to add him [Ken 
Jones]?" /Anders

Let us release our infantile dirt and get over our fragile geek egos. 
The ideologies of free and open source software will crumble under 
this nonsense. It is the acts of few like Tom Collins that remind big 
brother corporations like Microsoft how to insult the open source 
community. As a community, we must join together to support and 
continue development of free and open source software under the 
guidelines of mutually beneficial and reliable development standards.


getting very, very thick in here. the above is utterly unprofessional, 
particularly when you are doing nothing at all that could be 
characterized as "join[ing] together". You are creating a worse rift 
than before.


6. Cracking industry standards and disregarding the methodologies 
that create superior software because of the inherent nature of open 
source development can have devastating results in the pursuance of 
its use. If we cannot create an environment of confidence, our 
politics will ruin future development.


then why has inter7 not supported 'their' software? why didn't inter7 
create the sourceforge project? why has development been moribund? 
inter7 has very definitely not created an environment of confidence in 
vpopmail. this entire issue would not have arisen had inter7 been 
responsive to the community, which has been begging for bug fixes for 
a long time.

7. " (i) Perhaps it'd be valid for the vpopmail community to ask Ken 
why he hasn't been active in contributing, hasn't openly objected to 
any of the sucession of patches and release, and now suddenly is 
muddying the waters with this issue. (ii) When a projects 
developement seems to die out, a new person should be able to pickup 
the slack and keep things moving. (iii) If Ken has an issue with 
that, it'd probably behoove him to let us know why he waited, and 
where he'd see things going from now," Nick Harring.

i. Inter7

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[Chris Pugh]

> --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> [EMAIL PROTECTED]   Each time I send a message to
> this list, I get a reply from him/She ... 
 
Virus [EMAIL PROTECTED] is the culprit.  There are many
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and read what it says, then you'll see that this  
 
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[vchkpw] Old releases, was: Re: [vchkpw] Inter7, vpopmail, and open source standards

[Anders Brander]

Hey,

On Wed, 2003-09-10 at 01:26, Oden Eriksson wrote:
> If you want to check in old stuff for historical reasons or whatever, I think 
> I have at least 80% of all the releases at my site, it's at:
> http://www.deserve-it.com/sw/src/

Thanks man! You're a lifesaver! I just used almost an two hours googling
for old vpop-releases... And then i see this post, as i was ready to
give up :)

And you got the release i needed! Cool!

/Anders

Re: [vchkpw] Inter7, vpopmail, and open source standards

[Chris Pugh]

> I'm afraid you too may have taken this personally.
> I choose my grammatically inferred semantics wisey.
> Remember, may, is only a possibility.

This all seems to be getting very heated and personal.
 As a relative newcomer to this list, 
care to enlighten me as what all the fuss is 
about? And whose ego, if any, is on the line here?

>'the position Inter7 is taking: we want to be able to
>support Tom Collins.'

Ok, so what's stopping the 'we want to be able to',
from being a 'we are going to' - or for that matter,
vice wersa.

Chill people!



Chris. 

 


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Re: [vchkpw] Inter7, vpopmail, and open source standards

[Oden Eriksson]

tisdagen den 9 september 2003 23.46 skrev Ken Jones:
> On Tuesday 09 September 2003 4:14 pm, Oden Eriksson wrote:
> > tisdagen den 9 september 2003 21.44 skrev Ms. Catherine Kouzmanoff:
> > > For seven years, Inter7 has been the original and primary development
> > > source for vpopmail, qmailadmin, vQadmin, eps, vQregister, DNSadmin,
> >
> > Incorrect, let me remind you "vpopmail" itself is a fork off of the work
> > by Chris Johnson in 1998/1999 and his "vchkpw" software..., that's
> > what..., like minus three years?
> >
> > Cheers.
>
> That is not quite correct. vpopmail is not a fork of vchkpw.
>
> When I started working on vchkpw I asked Chris Johnson
> if it would be okay for me to do the primary development work
> on the project. He agreed and I started the work. I think
> that was back in 1998.

Ahh, I remember now, sorry. I used Chris's work back then and was very happy 
that this framework or what it's called was embraced by you. You have done an 
amazing work, so has Bill, so is Tom and Michael. I think I have used this 
code since then.

vchkpw was renamed to vpopmail because no one could pronounce the latter ;), 
and that's no fork.

> In the same spirit of community and co-operation, Bill Shupp
> took over primary development for quite some time. Our
> last combined release was in April.

Yes, he's a great guy.

[vchkpw] Wildcard subdomains *.domain

[S. Sriram]

Hi,

Given that control/virtualdomains allows one to accept wildcard
subdomains i.e. .domain.com:alias-virtualdomains

What I'm looking for is to allow mail sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] be
sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] i.e. for the user (local)
to be [EMAIL PROTECTED], so that mail sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] goes to [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]
and [EMAIL PROTECTED] goes to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Is such a hack available to vpopmail ? if not, could someone suggest
how difficult something like this might be ?

Thanks
S. Sriram

Re: [vchkpw] Re: Tom's fork of vpopmail (and qmailadmin)

[Michael Bowe]

Ken and Inter7 deserve credit for all the work they have put 
into vpopmail and the associated admin packages. 

Sourceforge is a great place for hosting open source software.
The tracker system allows bugs, patches, feature requests etc 
to be handled in an orderly fashion.  

Tom deserves credit for the large amount of work he has put 
into both packages since their relocation to Sourceforge.

It is not in anyone's interests to fork these projects into 
"Kens version" and "Toms version". 

So surely the best compromise/solution would be for all 
parties to agree that getting a 5.4-stable out the door is the 
#1 goal

To achieve this we could :

  * Grant Ken admin privileges on Sourceforge. Even if Ken isn't 
 actively contributing to the development at the moment, his past
 efforts warrant him to be included as an admin if he wishes

  * Tom remains also as admin, and it be confirmed that he is in 
charge of releasing new 5.3.x development builds with the goal
of getting 5.4 out the door

  * Leave the project home page set as the Inter7 site. But update 
the Inter7 so it refers any development downloads link back 
to the Sourceforge page

Michael.

Re: [vchkpw] Inter7, vpopmail, and open source standards

[Oden Eriksson]

onsdagen den 10 september 2003 00.34 skrev Tom Collins:

[...]

> I have been learning about CVS today, and will have a CVS repository of
> the current versions of vpopmail and qmailadmin available within the
> next 24 hours.  I want to make sure I have a full understanding of how
> CVS works so I can make sure I set it up properly (and know how to
> correctly commit future changes).

If you want to check in old stuff for historical reasons or whatever, I think 
I have at least 80% of all the releases at my site, it's at:

http://www.deserve-it.com/sw/src/

[vchkpw] Can't We All Just Get Along

[Chris Ochap]

Wow, this list is beginning to look like the qmail list.

Why is there so much pointless arguing and disagreement over something
as simple as giving Inter7 admin access to the project on SourceForge?
I don't know the staff @ Inter7 personally, but I am sure they would
never do anything to hurt the development of this software.  To be
frank, I don't know anyone on this list, but all seem geared towards its
successful progression.

What is the big deal? Give them admin access, that way the user
community does not have to deal with forking projects.  It's ridiculous.
If anything, it will form a bond between the development efforts of all
parties involved and the project can flourish.  

I can understand that Tom is spearheading the new super-charged
development effort for the project, and that is wonderfull.  I simply
suggested that there should be a change in the valias code, and it was
done a few days later.  A small testament to the power of open source
development.

However, if I had begun a project, worked on it for years, and then
gotten busy with other things (as life often does to us), I would have a
certain feeling of authority or status over the fruits of my labor, just
as Inter7 obviously does.  I am confident that if Inter7 is given admin
rights, they will not demote anyone.

I would not be so kind in my reply to Tom, as Inter7 has been, had I
been told that I could not have the same level of access as he to the
very project that I started & raised.  True, it is a GPL project, and
Tom, or whoever else, can fork away to their hearts content.  But
honestly people, is that really necessary?  Are there any actual
algorithm or implementation disagreements that would warrant a fork on
this or any other related project?  Everybody wants stable, fast,
feature-rich, quality software.

The vpopmail/vchkpw project is a suite of small, *VERY* usefull
programs.  Please all, can we keep this simple and pure.  Tom, I mean no
insult, but I do believe that you are being a little childish about
this.  Give the creators of the suite access, and lets see some posts on
this list that actually have something to do with anything besides
politics.

-Chris

RE: [vchkpw] Re: Tom's fork of vpopmail (and qmailadmin)

[Chris Ochap]

I completely agree with every syllable.  I would also love for this
thread to end.

-Chris

> -Original Message-
> From: Michael Bowe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 3:35 PM
> To: vpopmail list
> Subject: Re: [vchkpw] Re: Tom's fork of vpopmail (and qmailadmin)
> 
> 
> Ken and Inter7 deserve credit for all the work they have put 
> into vpopmail and the associated admin packages. 
> 
> Sourceforge is a great place for hosting open source software.
> The tracker system allows bugs, patches, feature requests etc 
> to be handled in an orderly fashion.  
> 
> Tom deserves credit for the large amount of work he has put 
> into both packages since their relocation to Sourceforge.
> 
> It is not in anyone's interests to fork these projects into 
> "Kens version" and "Toms version". 
> 
> So surely the best compromise/solution would be for all 
> parties to agree that getting a 5.4-stable out the door is the 
> #1 goal
> 
> To achieve this we could :
> 
>   * Grant Ken admin privileges on Sourceforge. Even if Ken isn't 
>  actively contributing to the development at the moment, his past
>  efforts warrant him to be included as an admin if he wishes
> 
>   * Tom remains also as admin, and it be confirmed that he is in 
> charge of releasing new 5.3.x development builds with the goal
> of getting 5.4 out the door
> 
>   * Leave the project home page set as the Inter7 site. But update 
> the Inter7 so it refers any development downloads link back 
> to the Sourceforge page
> 
> Michael.
> 
> 
> 

Re: [vchkpw] Re: Tom's fork of vpopmail (and qmailadmin)

[Ken Jones]

On Tuesday 09 September 2003 6:35 pm, Michael Bowe wrote:
> Ken and Inter7 deserve credit for all the work they have put
> into vpopmail and the associated admin packages.
>
> Sourceforge is a great place for hosting open source software.
> The tracker system allows bugs, patches, feature requests etc
> to be handled in an orderly fashion.
>
> Tom deserves credit for the large amount of work he has put
> into both packages since their relocation to Sourceforge.
>
> It is not in anyone's interests to fork these projects into
> "Kens version" and "Toms version".
>
> So surely the best compromise/solution would be for all
> parties to agree that getting a 5.4-stable out the door is the
> #1 goal
>
> To achieve this we could :
>
>   * Grant Ken admin privileges on Sourceforge. Even if Ken isn't
>  actively contributing to the development at the moment, his past
>  efforts warrant him to be included as an admin if he wishes
>
>   * Tom remains also as admin, and it be confirmed that he is in
> charge of releasing new 5.3.x development builds with the goal
> of getting 5.4 out the door
>
>   * Leave the project home page set as the Inter7 site. But update
> the Inter7 so it refers any development downloads link back
> to the Sourceforge page
>
> Michael.

This sounds like a great compromise. 

In addition I would like to add that I will not shoot down Tom's 
ideas. Like putting configuration options in ~vpopmail/etc files.
I did not like this in the past, but I am starting to see the light
since I am working on RPM releases of everything.

Also I plan on doing stability and backwards compatibility testing.

For the last 6 months or so I have been working on a RedHat 9 
based release specifically tailored for qmail.The entire distribution
ends up fitting on one CD. We are almost done. Just a few things
to sort out (like cram-md5 smtp auth on some email clients fail).
I would really like to include a new vpopmail 5.4 stable version.

Ken Jones

Re: [vchkpw] Inter7, vpopmail, and open source standards

[Paul Theodoropoulos]

At 03:37 PM 9/9/2003, Ms. Catherine Kouzmanoff wrote:
Good afternoon Paul,
I'm afraid you too may have taken this personally.
I choose my grammatically inferred semantics wisey. Remember, may, is only 
a possibility.
well, we can play "wisey" word games all day. You *may* be a controlling 
sociopathic misanthrope. Or you *may* be an anencephalic troll. The tone of 
your comments was one of tarring Mr. Collins by implying ulterior motives 
where he explicitly stated the opposite - not exactly a new low in 
rhetoric, but one you should publicly apologize for, in my opinion.

I understand your email as a misunderstanding to the position Inter7 is 
taking: we want to be able to support Tom Collins.
You *are* able to. Simply put aside the ego. Ken/inter7 have no practical 
need for administrative rights to the sourceforge project. this is an 
empirical datum. you have an emotional need, apparently though. one derived 
from the apparent emotional need to control it, ignoring the GPL license 
you chose to publish it under.

get over yourselves. you abandoned vpopmail. your own support staff were 
unable to support your paying customers - they had to go to the vpopmail 
mailing list for help, and once there were helped by *the community*, not 
their vendor. that's a pretty shocking indictment of your support for the 
software.

Rejoice in the good things.
indeed, such as the GPL.

learn it. know it. live it.

cooperate with Tom, who went to the trouble of supporting your software 
when you abandoned it. oh, and of course, if you protest that you did not 
abandoned it, i'll be forced to repost the dozens and dozens of postings to 
the list from last year from people asking questions, asking for help,  and 
submitting patches, which were *totally ignored* by inter7.

The community stepped in to fill the void. Now that the community is 
virtually self-supporting, you want to waltz in and take control of it.

pathetic.

Paul Theodoropoulos
http://www.anastrophe.com

[vchkpw] Fwd: Your FAX to +14159408776

[Paul Theodoropoulos]

while we're on the subject of inter7 abandoning the software, shall we 
discuss inter7's abandonment of administration of the mailing list too?

Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 19:10:19 -0700
X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.41 (Entity 5.404)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Your FAX to +14159408776
X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.2 required=5.0
tests=IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,RAZOR2_CHECK,REFERENCES,
  SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID
version=2.55
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At 03:37 PM 9/9/2003, Ms. Catherine Kouzmanoff wrote:
Good afternoon Paul,
I'm afraid you too may have taken this personally.
I choose my grammatically inferred semantics wisey. Remember, may, is 
only a possibility.
well, we can play "wisey" word games all day. You *may* be a controlling 
sociopathic misanthrope. Or you *may* be an anencephalic troll. The tone 
of your comments was one of tarring Mr. Collins by implying ulterior 
motives where he explicitly stated the opposite - not exactly a new low in 
rhetoric, but one you should publicly apologize for, in my opinion.

I understand your email as a misunderstanding to the position Inter7 is 
taking: we want to be able to support Tom Collins.
You *are* able to. Simply put aside the ego. Ken/inter7 have no practical 
need for administrative rights to the sourceforge project. this is an 
empirical datum. you have an emotional need, apparently though. one 
derived from the apparent emotional need to control it, ignoring the GPL 
license you chose to publish it under.

get over yourselves. you abandoned vpopmail. your own support staff were 
unable to support your paying customers - they had to go to the vpopmail 
mailing list for help, and once there were helped by *the community*, not 
their vendor. that's a pretty shocking indictment of your support for the 
software.

Rejoice in the good things.
indeed, such as the GPL.

learn it. know it. live it.

cooperate with Tom, who went to the trouble of supporting your software 
when you abandoned it. oh, and of course, if you protest that you did not 
abandoned it, i'll be forced to repost the dozens and dozens of postings 
to the list from last year from people asking questions, asking for 
help,  and submitting patches, which were *totally ignored* by inter7.

The community stepped in to fill the void. Now that the community is 
virtually self-supporting, you want to waltz in and take control of it.

pathetic.

Paul Theodoropoulos
http://www.anastrophe.com


Paul Theodoropoulos
http://www.anastrophe.com

[vchkpw] Quota problem: negative values in Maildir/maildirsize

[Tim Hasson]

Hi,

I am using vpopmail-5.2.1, courier-imap-2.0, qmail-1.03. I use both courier-
imapd and courier-pop3d instead of qmail-pop3d.

A few days after I migrated my users from an old mail server to my new nfs 
server, users started getting weird quota reulsts on the webmail quota.
vuserinfo reported 0% for the usage although du -sh on the user's maildir 
reported about 3-4 megs. Looking at maildirsize, there was many lines with 
negative values.
telnetting to the imapserver 143, logging in as the user, and issuing "a001 
getquota ROOT" I get also negative USAGE value.

While googling for something related to this problem, I found only one post:
http://www.geocrawler.com/archives/3/3723/2002/2/350/7883526/

Mr Sam said:
-
This can happen if mail gets delivered to a mailbox by a delivery agent that 
does not update the quota tracker. 
Solution: use deliverquota or maildrop to deliver mail, and make sure that 
the quota is correctly specified.
-

This is not the problem for me however. The only programs that deliver to 
maildirs are vdelivermail, maildrop (both compiled with maildirquota support), 
and qmail-local. I know qmail-local doesn't support maildirquota++ but this 
never was a problem, and I confimed it's not the one causing the problem (read 
below).

So looking at the maildirsize file in the maildirs of users having the 
problem, they all had negative values. So I wrote a little shell script (see 
at the end of this message) that finds those mailboxes with bad maildirsize 
files, deletes them, runs /home/vpopmail/bin/vuserinfo -Q [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 
the accounts for which the maildirsize was deleted to recreate it, and then 
sets the proper permission (uid/gid vpopmail/vchkpw).

This solved the problem. Sending mail from local domain to another local 
domain, or from a remote domain to a local domain both seem to reflect the 
_correct_ size now, and instantaneously.
Therefore it's not qmail-local?

I am suspecting it could be that the file sizes changed slightly when moved 
over to the nfs server on a ext3 partition with a 4096 blocksize. The 
filesystem on the old mailserver was ext2 and default blocksize (redhat 6.2).

Could this possibly confuse courier-imap and cause it to put negatives in 
maildirsize? or is it vdelivermail that was confused?

Any thoughts, ideas?

Best Regards,
Tim Hasson


Here is the script I used to fix the maildirsize files:


#!/bin/sh

echo "[*] Finding maildirsize files..."
sizes="`find domains -name maildirsize`"

echo "[*] Finding bad maildirsize files and saving them in badmaildirsize.tmp"

rm badmaildirsize.tmp

for i in $sizes; do
   if [ ! -z "`grep "-" $i | head -1`" ]; then
  echo $i >> badmaildirsize.tmp
   fi
done

echo "[*] Creating [EMAIL PROTECTED] list for whom we recreate maildirsize"

rm mailboxdir.tmp

# get "domain.com/user" from domain/domain.com/user/Maildir/maildirsize
   sed s/domains.//g badmaildirsize.tmp | \
 sed s/.Maildir.maildirsize//g > mailboxdir.tmp

rm fixemail.tmp

#  change domain.com/user to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailboxlist="`cat mailboxdir.tmp`"
for mailbox in $mailboxlist; do
   username="`echo $mailbox | sed s#.*/##`"
   domainname="`echo $mailbox | sed s#/.*##`"
   echo "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" >> fixemail.tmp
done

rm mailboxdir.tmp # we dont need it anymore

echo "[*] Deleting bad maildirsize files"
deletelist="`cat badmaildirsize.tmp`"
for maildirsize in $deletelist; do
   rm $maildirsize
done

echo "[*] Recreating deleted maildirsize files"
addresses="`cat fixemail.tmp`"
for emailaddress in $addresses; do
   /home/vpopmail/bin/vuserinfo -Q $emailaddress
done

echo "[*] Setting owner/group vpopmail/vchkpw on maildirsize files"
newmaildirsizefiles="`cat badmaildirsize.tmp`"
for newmaildirsize in $newmaildirsizefiles; do
   chown vpopmail:vchkpw $newmaildirsize
done

[vchkpw] SMTP-Auth bug in passwords?

[Mike Miller]

Hi,
  This is in regards to SMTP-AUTH and an interesting bug which is creeping 
up somewhere.

	We had a customer who recently had a username of webmaster and a password 
of webmaster00.  From the standard pop3 authentication, there was no issue 
with this username and password.  For some reason, only when used with AUTH 
LOGIN, the same username and password work for webmaster.  This then allowed 
the user to SMTP-relay.

Looking just below, the SPAMmer who made use of this, used the same username 
and password.  I then tried the base64 password for their 'webmaster00' 
password and that [d2VibWFzdGVyMDA=] works as well.  I then tried truncating 
their password character by character.  What I found was that only when I 
brought the password to 'webmast' (webmaste still worked), did it stop 
authenticating properly.

Is there a limitation on how many characters it uses to authenticate?  Any 
help would be appreciated.

220 haven.epicworks.com ESMTP
< EHLO breaded
250-haven.epicworks.com
250-AUTH LOGIN CRAM-MD5 PLAIN
250-AUTH=LOGIN CRAM-MD5 PLAIN
250-PIPELINING
250 8BITMIME
< AUTH LOGIN
334 VXNlcm5hbWU6
< d2VibWFzdGVy
334 UGFzc3dvcmQ6
< d2VibWFzdGVy
235 ok, go ahead (#2.0.0)
I'm not sure if this is in vchkpw or in the patch to qmail-smtpd, however 
I'm looking for anyone's experience or maybe even to identify a bug.

Thanks in advance,
-Mike
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[vchkpw] vpopmail .quotawarn.msg

[Shai Ben-Naphtali]

Hi all,

I made /home/vpopmail/domains/.quotawarn.msg
I placed this inside:
From: Mail Delivery System <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Valued Customer:;
Subject: Mail quota warning
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Your mailbox on the server is now more than 90% full. So that you can
continue
to receive mail you need to remove some messages from your mailbox.

~~~

I can't seem to understand why this msg isn't arriving into the mailbox I
made for testing that is now over 90% and standing on 93%.

Can anyone give me a hand in figuring this out?

Cheers,
Shai

Re: [vchkpw] SMTP-Auth bug in passwords?

[Tom Collins]

On Tuesday, September 9, 2003, at 08:40  PM, Mike Miller wrote:
Looking just below, the SPAMmer who made use of this, used the same 
username and password.  I then tried the base64 password for their 
'webmaster00' password and that [d2VibWFzdGVyMDA=] works as well.  I 
then tried truncating their password character by character.  What I 
found was that only when I brought the password to 'webmast' (webmaste 
still worked), did it stop authenticating properly.
What version of vpopmail?

Are you using MD5 passwords (go to your vpopmail source directory and 
`grep MD5 config.h`)?  If not, I think crypt() only uses the first 8 
characters of the password.  I'm not sure what the limit is if you're 
using MD5.

--
Tom Collins
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
QmailAdmin: http://qmailadmin.sf.net/  Vpopmail: http://vpopmail.sf.net/
Info on the Sniffter hand-held Network Tester: http://sniffter.com/

[vchkpw] Fwd: [ ABU1063161914072 ] [vchkpw] Quota problem: negative values in Maildir/maildirsize

[Tim Hasson]

I am getting weird messages from some of the subscribers on vchkpw list when I 
post to the list ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

Below are two examples.


- Forwarded message from Gail Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -
Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 19:47:51 -0700
From: Gail Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [vchkpw] Quota problem: negative values in
Maildir/maildirsize (Relocating)
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Hi

My office space has been relocated. I will be in temporary office space until 
November 1, 2003. The temporary office space will not have phone lines or e-
mail access. I will be receiving phone calls on my cell phone (559) 908-5685. 
I will be checking my e-mail but my access to it will be intermittent. I'm 
sorry for any inconvenience this may cause. Thanks for your patience. 

Gail 

- End forwarded message -



Second message claiming I was reported for spamming:

- Forwarded message from Prodigy Abuse Department <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
---
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 21:45:32 -0500 (CDT)
From: Prodigy Abuse Department <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: Prodigy Abuse Department <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 Subject: [ ABU1063161914072 ] [vchkpw] Quota problem: negative values in 
Maildir/maildirsize
  To: Tim Hasson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


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Re: [vchkpw] vpopmail .quotawarn.msg

[Michael Bowe]

vpopmail is coded so only 1 quotawarning is sent in any 24 hour period

If you are trying to do some testing, you can clear the 24 hour counter by
deleting the quotawarn file from the user's dir

Michael.


- Original Message - 
From: "Shai Ben-Naphtali" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 3:23 PM
Subject: [vchkpw] vpopmail .quotawarn.msg


> Hi all,
>
> I made /home/vpopmail/domains/.quotawarn.msg
> I placed this inside:
> From: Mail Delivery System <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: Valued Customer:;
> Subject: Mail quota warning
> Mime-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>
> Your mailbox on the server is now more than 90% full. So that you can
> continue
> to receive mail you need to remove some messages from your mailbox.
>
> ~~~
>
> I can't seem to understand why this msg isn't arriving into the mailbox I
> made for testing that is now over 90% and standing on 93%.
>
> Can anyone give me a hand in figuring this out?
>
> Cheers,
> Shai
>
>
>

[vchkpw] [More Automated messages] Re: Your FAX to +14159408776

[Tim Hasson]

This is very annoying. Moderators?

This is yet another automated message I get when I post to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

> 
> **MESSAGE FROM THE TPC.INT SINKHOLE**
>   
> We regret to inform you that the phone number you attempted 
> to reach is not currently being served by a remote printer 
> operator. Your original message is attached so that you may
> send it by alternative means.
> 
> We hope to have coverage in this area -- perhaps 
> you know somebody who could operate a remote printer server?
> Does your ISP provide fax coverage in your local area?  If not,
> perhaps they would benefit by setting up a fax server and 
> joining TPC.INT. Speak with your ISP and show them why they
> might want to come online as a TPC "cell":
> 
> http://www.tpc.int/servers/salespitch.html
> 
> 
> It's possible of course that you have not composed the
> TPC.INT-style address correctly, so here's a few examples.  
> Note that we do not use international dialing codes but we 
> do require the country codes.
> 
> Example1:
> remote-printer.Arlington_Hewes/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> (to send a fax to Arlington Hewes in Room 403, at the FAX 
> number, in England (where the country code is 44), of +44 181 
> 3434622)
> 
> Example2:
> remote-printer.Paul_Katz/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> (to send a fax to Paul Katz in The Manor at the FAX number, in 
> North America (where the country code is 1) of +1 902 584 2817)
> 
> If you're still unclear on the address format we require, please
> send for a copy of the FAQ, or visit our WWW pages.
> 
> *PLEASE NOTE***
> 
> TPC.INT does not consider unsolicited commercial mass mailings
> an acceptable use of the network.  Individuals suspected of 
> abusing this policy will be banned from using it pending 
> investigation.  We regret that such measures are necessary,
> but abuse of TPC.INT can force cells to close, and must be
> prevented when possible.  Please be considerate - TPC.INT is
> for everyone.
> ***
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Mr. Arlington Hewes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> The TPC.INT Subdomainhttp://www.tpc.int/
> 
>**
>***  FOR GENERAL INFORMATION   ***
>*** mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
>***  FOR A LIST OF CURRENT COVERAGE***
>*** mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   ***
>***  TO REPORT A PROBLEM (read the FAQ first!) ***
>*** mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]***
>**
> 


Respectfully,
Tim Hasson
Consultant, AiDA Systems
(209) 639-2989 Voice

Re: [vchkpw] [More Automated messages] Re: Your FAX to +14159408776

[Jeremy Kitchen]

yes, I realize this, I'm going to take care of it in the morning.

-Jeremy

On Tue, 2003-09-09 at 23:40, Tim Hasson wrote:
> This is very annoying. Moderators?
> 
> This is yet another automated message I get when I post to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> 
> > 
> > **MESSAGE FROM THE TPC.INT SINKHOLE**
> > 
> > We regret to inform you that the phone number you attempted 
> > to reach is not currently being served by a remote printer 
> > operator. Your original message is attached so that you may
> > send it by alternative means.
> > 
> > We hope to have coverage in this area -- perhaps 
> > you know somebody who could operate a remote printer server?
> > Does your ISP provide fax coverage in your local area?  If not,
> > perhaps they would benefit by setting up a fax server and 
> > joining TPC.INT. Speak with your ISP and show them why they
> > might want to come online as a TPC "cell":
> > 
> > http://www.tpc.int/servers/salespitch.html
> > 
> > 
> > It's possible of course that you have not composed the
> > TPC.INT-style address correctly, so here's a few examples.  
> > Note that we do not use international dialing codes but we 
> > do require the country codes.
> > 
> > Example1:
> > remote-printer.Arlington_Hewes/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > (to send a fax to Arlington Hewes in Room 403, at the FAX 
> > number, in England (where the country code is 44), of +44 181 
> > 3434622)
> > 
> > Example2:
> > remote-printer.Paul_Katz/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > (to send a fax to Paul Katz in The Manor at the FAX number, in 
> > North America (where the country code is 1) of +1 902 584 2817)
> > 
> > If you're still unclear on the address format we require, please
> > send for a copy of the FAQ, or visit our WWW pages.
> > 
> > *PLEASE NOTE***
> > 
> > TPC.INT does not consider unsolicited commercial mass mailings
> > an acceptable use of the network.  Individuals suspected of 
> > abusing this policy will be banned from using it pending 
> > investigation.  We regret that such measures are necessary,
> > but abuse of TPC.INT can force cells to close, and must be
> > prevented when possible.  Please be considerate - TPC.INT is
> > for everyone.
> > ***
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > Mr. Arlington Hewes [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > The TPC.INT Subdomainhttp://www.tpc.int/
> > 
> >**
> >***  FOR GENERAL INFORMATION   ***
> >*** mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
> >***  FOR A LIST OF CURRENT COVERAGE***
> >*** mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   ***
> >***  TO REPORT A PROBLEM (read the FAQ first!) ***
> >*** mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]***
> >**
> > 
> 
> 
> Respectfully,
> Tim Hasson
> Consultant, AiDA Systems
> (209) 639-2989 Voice
-- 
Jeremy Kitchen
Systems Administrator
.
Inter7 Internet Technologies, Inc.
www.inter7.com
866.528.3530 toll free
847.492.0470 int'l
847.492.0632 fax
GNUPG key ID: 93BDD6CE

Re: [vchkpw] SMTP-Auth bug in passwords?

[Anthony Baratta]

At 09:24 PM 9/9/2003, Tom Collins wrote:

Are you using MD5 passwords (go to your vpopmail source directory and 
`grep MD5 config.h`)?  If not, I think crypt() only uses the first 8 
characters of the password.  I'm not sure what the limit is if you're 
using MD5.
Tom...

Doesn't the AUTH LOGIN state that he's going to use Base64 encoding?? If he 
put in AUTH CRAM-MD5 then it would be expecting MD5 encoding.

So this appears to be a problem with LOGIN, either in the patch or with 
vPopmail.

Do I have my logic wrong??

---
Anthony Baratta
President
Keyboard Jockeys
"Conformity is the refuge of the unimaginative."

Re: [vchkpw] SMTP-Auth bug in passwords?

[Jeremy Kitchen]

I apologize for sending a copy directly to you Anthony, reply button in
evolution is a little crazy sometimes :)

On Wed, 2003-09-10 at 00:06, Anthony Baratta wrote:
> Tom...
> 
> Doesn't the AUTH LOGIN state that he's going to use Base64 encoding?? If he 
> put in AUTH CRAM-MD5 then it would be expecting MD5 encoding.
> 
> So this appears to be a problem with LOGIN, either in the patch or with 
> vPopmail.
> 
> Do I have my logic wrong??

the smtp-auth patch you are probably using wrongly advertises that it
can handle CRAM-MD5.  Simply edit qmail-smtpd.c, search for the
CRAM-MD5, remove it, rebuild qmail-smtpd, and you're set.  I just did
this today, and it worked fine.

-- 
Jeremy Kitchen
Systems Administrator
.
Inter7 Internet Technologies, Inc.
www.inter7.com
866.528.3530 toll free
847.492.0470 int'l
847.492.0632 fax
GNUPG key ID: 93BDD6CE

Re: [vchkpw] SMTP-Auth bug in passwords?

[Tom Collins]

On Tuesday, September 9, 2003, at 10:06  PM, Anthony Baratta wrote:
Doesn't the AUTH LOGIN state that he's going to use Base64 encoding?? 
If he put in AUTH CRAM-MD5 then it would be expecting MD5 encoding.

So this appears to be a problem with LOGIN, either in the patch or 
with vPopmail.
When vpopmail stores passwords (at least in cdb), it either uses 
crypt() with a two-character salt and DES encoding (where only the 
first 8 characters of the password matter), or it uses an 8-character 
salt and MD5 encoding.

It would be interesting to see whether the problem exists when using 
CRAM-MD5 as well.  It could also be isolated by trying to authenticate 
with qmailadmin or courier-imap and using just the first 8 characters 
of the password.

--
Tom Collins
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
QmailAdmin: http://qmailadmin.sf.net/  Vpopmail: http://vpopmail.sf.net/
Info on the Sniffter hand-held Network Tester: http://sniffter.com/

Re: [vchkpw] Which SMTP-Auth Patch (was: SMTP-Auth bug in passwords?)

[Anthony Baratta]

At 10:10 PM 9/9/2003, Jeremy Kitchen wrote:

the smtp-auth patch you are probably using wrongly advertises that it
can handle CRAM-MD5.  Simply edit qmail-smtpd.c, search for the
CRAM-MD5, remove it, rebuild qmail-smtpd, and you're set.  I just did
this today, and it worked fine.
This brings up a question: Which qMail Auth patch do people recommend? I've 
really loaded a current test system with qMail patches and appear to have a 
conflict between my Auth Patch and my Ban Win Exe's patch.

I'm currently testing out:

# patch for SMTP authentication to relay
  http://members.elysium.pl/brush/qmail-smtpd-auth/
and want to add...

# ban windows exes,coms,pifs
  http://www.qmail.org/qmail-smtpd-viruscan-1.1.patch
I know that I can manually add the changes, but the patch for ViruScan 
counts weird:

patching file qmail-smtpd.c
Hunk #1 succeeded at 103 (offset 12 lines).
Hunk #3 succeeded at 303 (offset 20 lines).
patch unexpectedly ends in middle of line
Hunk #5 succeeded at 519 with fuzz 1 (offset 20 lines).
Why would it skip Hunk #2 (or skip the number itself) and I can't see a 
problem with Hunk #4.

---
Anthony Baratta
President
Keyboard Jockeys
"Conformity is the refuge of the unimaginative."

[vchkpw] vipmap - help

[Urban -]

Hi,

Im using vpopmail-5.3.27 + courier-imap + qmail. In vpopmail the default 
domain is chaein.com We have a new domain cyberchaein.com. What i did was 
using vipmap to map 192.168.1.15 to cyberchaein.com so it looks like this 
when i run ./vipmap -p:

192.168.1.15 cyberchaein.com

but i still cant login to my acct with just the username (test). i still 
have to use [EMAIL PROTECTED] please help.

ps: we only have one mailserver.

Best regards,
Urban
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RE: [vchkpw] Unable to access mail using POP and domain issues with vpopmail

[Balaji NJL]

domain: ojoobala.com
uid:89
gid:89
dir:/home/vpopmail/domains/ojoobala.com
users:  3

--- Shane Chrisp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If you type vdominfo ojoobala.com what output does
> it
> show for dir?
> 
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Balaji NJL [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> >Sent: Tuesday, 9 September 2003 11:03 PM
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: RE: [vchkpw] Unable to access mail using
> POP and 
> >domain issues with vpopmail
> >
> >
> >yes it does hv Maildir under
> >/home/vpopmail/domains/ojoobala.com/balaji
> >
> >the permissions are vpopmail/vchkpw. Maildir has
> the
> >following dir cur, new and tmp. it also contains
> sqweb
> >configuration details. All the directories hv 700.
> >
> >i feel vpop is looking for Maildir under
> >/home/balaji/Maildir but not under
> >/home/vpopmail/domains/balaji/maildir. How to check
> >where its looking for the maildir.
> >
> >Sqwebmail is working fine. it authenticates me
> >correctly and i am able to send and receive mail.
> >
> >-B
> >--- Shane Chrisp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> The user should have a maildir under
> >> ~/vpopmail/domains/ojoobala.com/myname/
> >> and it should be owned vpopmail.vchkpw with
> >> permissions 700.
> >> 
> >> Check that this is the case.
> >> 
> >> Shane
> >> 
> >> 
> >> >-Original Message-
> >> >From: Balaji NJL [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> >> >Sent: Monday, 8 September 2003 12:53 PM
> >> >To: Tom Collins; vpopmail list
> >> >Subject: Re: [vchkpw] Unable to access mail
> using
> >> POP and 
> >> >domain issues with vpopmail
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >i did that.
> >> >
> >> >now i am getting [EMAIL PROTECTED] and
> >> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]  both delivered to my
> >> >ojoobala.com account. i am able to check the
> mails
> >> >using sqwebmail. but i am still unable to check
> it
> >> via
> >> >outlook express by POP. this is the error i am
> >> getting
> >> >
> >> >There was a problem logging onto your mail
> server.
> >> >Your Password was rejected. Account:
> '192.168.0.3',
> >> >Server: '192.168.0.3', Protocol: POP3, Server
> >> >Response: '-ERR this user has no $HOME/Maildir',
> >> Port:
> >> >110, Secure(SSL): No, Server Error: 0x800CCC90,
> >> Error
> >> >Number: 0x800CCC92
> >> >
> >> >i also tried this on my mailserver directly
> >> >
> >> >telnet localhost 110
> >> >user [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >pass x
> >> >-ERR this user has no $HOME/Maildir
> >> >
> >> >this is true because this is a virtual user and
> >> this
> >> >user doesnt hv Maildir.
> >> >
> >> >Any ideas whats happening...thanks,
> >> >-B
> >> >--- Balaji NJL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >> you mean...
> >> >> ./vdeldomain mail.ojoobala.com
> >> >> and 
> >> >> ./vadddomain ojoobala.com
> >> >> and
> >> >> ./vaddaliasdomain mail.ojoobala.com
> ojoobala.com
> >> >>   
> >> >> Would this also solve my POP access problem.
> >> >> 
> >> >> thanks,
> >> >> -B
> >> >> 
> >> >> 
> >> >> --- Tom Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >> > On Thursday, September 4, 2003, at 08:08 
> AM,
> >> >> Balaji
> >> >> > NJL wrote:
> >> >> > > i think the reason why it happens is that
> >> >> vopomail
> >> >> > > doesnt know anything about ojoobala.com. i
> >> >> > compiled
> >> >> > > ./vadddomain as mail.ojoobala.com. the
> only
> >> >> domain
> >> >> > i
> >> >> > > see under home/vpopmail/domain is
> >> >> > mail.ojoobala.com
> >> >> > > but no ojoobala.com.
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > vaddaliasdomain ojoobala.com
> mail.ojoobala.com
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > You might want to actually delete
> >> >> mail.ojoobala.com,
> >> >> > add ojoobala.com 
> >> >> > as the domain, and re-create
> mail.ojoobala.com
> >> as
> >> >> > the alias.
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > Make sure mail.ojoobala.com and ojoobala.com
> >> don't
> >> >> > appear in 
> >> >> > control/locals, but do appear in
> >> >> control/rcpthosts, 
> >> >> > control/virtualdomains and users/assign.
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > --
> >> >> > Tom Collins
> >> >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >> > http://sniffter.com/ - info on the Sniffter
> >> >> > hand-held Network Tester
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > 
> >> >> 
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