Re: My entire novel was replaced with hash[marks]
At 23:17 24/11/2016 -0700, John Hart wrote: I use an editor written twenty years ago for technical work. It automatically saves what you're working on every five minutes in a scratch file so if something goes wrong, you won't lose your changes. You mean just like OpenOffice does? See Tools | Options... | Load/Save | General | Save | Save AutoRecovery Information every ... Minutes. Another feature it has, when a file is changed, it automatically creates a backup, so even if the scratch file gets corrupted, the original isn't wiped out. You mean just like OpenOffice does? See Tools | Options... | Load/Save | General | Save | Always create a backup copy, as well as Tools | Options... | OpenOffice | Paths | Backups. These are simple things to implement, and with millions of OO users, would save a lot of people a lot of grief. They would - and they already do! You can implement things, but you cannot force people to learn about the software - to read the help text or the documentation or to experiment with settings so that they actually know the facilities are there. A feature to protect user files could be added in less time than has been spent chastising users for not learning how to do backups. I'm sure implementing the facilities actually took far longer than it took you to complain - falsely - that they are not there, in fact. But it was done nevertheless. And you cannot write into an application such as OpenOffice total protection against user error, hardware faults, or operating system glitches. You don't help others by broadcasting false information: you merely show your unfamiliarity with the product. Brian Barker - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: My entire novel was replaced with hash[marks]
At 06:30 25/11/2016 -0600, Doug McGarrett wrote: That sounds like a good editor to use. what's the name of it, and what OS does it work on? It's called "OpenOffice" - and it runs on a wide range of operating systems. Brian Barker - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Open office doc format error:
To whom this may concern, Hi I’m spending out few application forms in open office in the new version in a doc format, opening the application in doc format from the otherside has error like question marks in the data i have filled out, even when they printing out a application it has question marks instead of my data. Please can you help. Kinda Regards Sandeep Mattu
Re: My entire novel was replaced with hash[marks]
On 11/25/2016 01:17 AM, John Hart wrote: > On 11/23/2016 4:36 PM, Doug wrote: >> Take "extraordinary"--and the line I quoted says this is a PROBLEM >> known for some time; therefore presumably there is a way to solve it >> but nobody >> has bothered. And yes, I am careful, but nobody's perfect. OTOH, I >> don't know why anyone would shut off their computer while in the >> middle of using a >> word processor. And anyone who is using a computer for serious >> business has an UPS--uninteruptable power supply. >> >> --doug > I use an editor written twenty years ago for technical work. > It automatically saves what you're working on every five minutes > in a scratch file so if something goes wrong, you won't loose > your changes. Another feature it has, when a file is changed, it > automatically creates a backup, so even if the scratch file > gets corrupted, the original isn't wiped out. These are simple > things to implement, and with millions of OO users, would save a > lot of people a lot of grief. A feature to protect user files > could be added in less time than has been spent chastising > users for not learning how to do backups. AOO supports both backup copies and autorecovery. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: My entire novel was replaced with hash[marks]
On Fri, 25 Nov 2016, James Knott wrote: ... AOO supports both backup copies and autorecovery. ... That's true, but the support could be more robust. I found this for AOO 3: << Save AutoRecovery information every Choose whether to enable AutoRecovery and how often to save the information used by the AutoRecovery process. AutoRecovery in OpenOffice.org overwrites the original file. If you have also chosen Always create backup copy, the original file then overwrites the backup copy. If you have this set, recovering your document after a system crash will be easier; but recovering an earlier version of the document may be harder. So there's a trade-off. Has this changed recently? And what are the default settings? More than once I've discovered that I did not have backup and timed AutoRecovery enabled, although I thought that I did. The Emacs text editor creates timed autosave and multiple numbered backup copies by default and can then be flexibly configured. I've often wished that applications like AOO would do the same. - Robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Avoid losing files
Lost a valuable info file? You only have to lose your royal ass once to be cured. There's frequent backups, of course, but here's a simple way. Rename a file being revised by including today's date in the filename, such as "XYZ 2016-11-25". For multiple updates per day, add an alpha suffix. Never fail to rename a file when you change it. The "downside" is using disk space but you can later delete older versions. Maurice Howe
Re: My entire novel was replaced with hash[marks]
Le 25/11/2016 à 10:00, Brian Barker a écrit : At 23:17 24/11/2016 -0700, John Hart wrote: I use an editor written twenty years ago for technical work. It automatically saves what you're working on every five minutes in a scratch file so if something goes wrong, you won't lose your changes. You mean just like OpenOffice does? See Tools | Options... | Load/Save | General | Save | Save AutoRecovery Information every ... Minutes. However, it does not prevent the loss with the pound sign. In the dozens of cases I've seen in the forums for example, the AutoRecovery feature has never been of any help. Are the temporary files deleted before the final file is actually written? That would be a something to think again. Another feature it has, when a file is changed, it automatically creates a backup, so even if the scratch file gets corrupted, the original isn't wiped out. You mean just like OpenOffice does? See Tools | Options... | Load/Save | General | Save | Always create a backup copy, as well as Tools | Options... | OpenOffice | Paths | Backups. However, this feature is not activated by default. I can understand there is a rationale behind that. Maybe for confidentiality since it leaves a copy of the file in the user profile without the user knowing it automatically. And again, it has never helped. These are simple things to implement, and with millions of OO users, would save a lot of people a lot of grief. They would - and they already do! You can implement things, but you cannot force people to learn about the software - to read the help text or the documentation or to experiment with settings so that they actually know the facilities are there. You cannot expect users to learn software in fear that it destroys their file. OK, there are safety measures to be taken for general purpose (HD crash, OS crash, virus, ...). But the way AOO behaves in such case is quite nasty: not only you lose the version you've just worked on but you lose the original file also, thus you lose everything concerning that file. I've never experienced this issue myself (using OOo/AOO since 2006 on a daily basis) but if I were to lose a file this way, I would seriously reconsider. A feature to protect user files could be added in less time than has been spent chastising users for not learning how to do backups. I'm sure implementing the facilities actually took far longer than it took you to complain - falsely - that they are not there, in fact. But it was done nevertheless. And you cannot write into an application such as OpenOffice total protection against user error, hardware faults, or operating system glitches. Well, could a dev explain what is the save process? I know this is the users list but I've raised this problem in the past on the dev ML and nothing came out of it. I think this started to occur with OOo 2.3 or something like that, I remember having seen such problems suddenly. It may be linked to a code change at some point. You don't help others by broadcasting false information: you merely show your unfamiliarity with the product. In my case, I think I can say that I know the product. And I've to admit that this issue is really troublesome. For the record if you want to see the list of the cases I've recorded: https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=17677#p81363 Hagar - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Avoid losing files
For the record, an extension, in French was made some time ago, it works fine (just tried on xubuntu 16.10 and AOO 4.1.3): https://forum.openoffice.org/fr/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=18566&p=241115#p241115 Should not be that difficult to find out how it works even for non-French users. There are screenshots in the topic (before the post linked above). Preferences can be accessed by Tools > Add-Ons > Prefs Sauvegarde++ 2.1 There is a toolbar that should appear once installed. Hagar Le 25/11/2016 à 21:22, Maurice Howe a écrit : Lost a valuable info file? You only have to lose your royal ass once to be cured. There's frequent backups, of course, but here's a simple way. Rename a file being revised by including today's date in the filename, such as "XYZ 2016-11-25". For multiple updates per day, add an alpha suffix. Never fail to rename a file when you change it. The "downside" is using disk space but you can later delete older versions. Maurice Howe - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: AOO-Templates
> On Oct 9, 2016, at 15:24, Brian Barker wrote: > > Google's cache of a similar address to the one you give leads to > http://templates.openoffice.org/template/download/39885 , which is probably > what you need. But note that this appears to be a template for printing on a > Letter-size sheet of plain paper, which you can then fold and glue into a C6 > envelope with some parts already printed - which may not be what you need. If > you need a template for printing a recipient's address and perhaps your > return address on an existing C6 envelope, you can probably create one > yourself from scratch very easily. This may well work for envelopes depending on how your printer feeds them. My envelope templates are for letter size paper - landscape - with margins set to the envelope area. Mine feeds in the center but an earlier printer fed the envelope on the left. — jt - j...@jt-mj.net If numbers aren't beautiful, I don't know what is. - Paul Erdős - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: My entire novel was replaced with hash[marks]
On 11/25/2016 2:00 AM, Brian Barker wrote: I'm sure implementing the facilities actually took far longer than it took you to complain - falsely - that they are not there, in fact. But it was done nevertheless. And you cannot write into an application such as OpenOffice total protection against user error, hardware faults, or operating system glitches. I'm not complaining, just observing, and Thank you for making the point more clearly. It appears all that's necessary is to make the features be the default. I looked in a directory of OO files I've been editing, and there are no backup files, so automatic backups aren't the default. After an upgrade, many users have a problem with the profile, and the recommended solution is to reset it, which would most likely turn off automatic backups. Automatic saving of a file every 'n' minutes, and creating an automatic backup file aren't the same thing. If automatic saving uses the same file name, it could be destructive, if it uses a different file name, and the program or system crashes, how does one find the file? If there's a crash protection file, why would the user be required to turn it on? When you restart OO after a crash, does it ask if you want to recover the file? When is the crash protection file deleted? jrh - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: My entire novel was replaced with hash[marks]
On 11/25/2016 5:41 AM, Robert Funnell wrote: Choose whether to enable AutoRecovery and how often to save the information used by the AutoRecovery process. AutoRecovery in OpenOffice.org overwrites the original file. If you have also chosen Always create backup copy, the original file then overwrites the backup copy. If you have this set, recovering your document after a system crash will be easier; but recovering an earlier version of the document may be harder. So there's a trade-off. Has this changed recently? And what are the default settings? More than once I've discovered that I did not have backup and timed AutoRecovery enabled, although I thought that I did. The Emacs text editor creates timed autosave and multiple numbered backup copies by default and can then be flexibly configured. I've often wished that applications like AOO would do the same. - Robert Thanks for clarifying the point. Backups can get complex, but the default shouldn't be the worst case and cause novice users to loose everything. The focus of OO should be on individual users, as it stands it's a big benefit to large corporations with an IT department, for individuals who value their time, it's not the best choice. I don't know why there's so much resistance to making is so it's easy to learn how to use it. Styles are a fantastic idea, but the interface is a convoluted mess. The user profile gets corrupted when it's updated, and unless options are selected, good files can be permanently destroyed if something goes wrong when they're saved. jrh
Re: My entire novel was replaced with hash[marks]
On 25/11/16 22:39, John Hart wrote: > Automatic saving of a file every 'n' minutes, and creating an automatic backup file aren't the same thing. As far as I can determine, AOo considers thatto be two different actions, done in two different ways. >If automatic saving uses the same file name, it could be destructive, if it >uses a different file name, and the > program or system crashes, how does one find the file? if turned on, the backup file is saved in wherever you have designated your backup file to be. The default name of the backup folder is "backup". The default location is in user profile folder. I've forgotten where the crash protection file is saved to. :( AFIAK, it is not saved in either the same folder as the original document, nor in the backup folder, but in a third location. > If there's a crash protection file, why would the user be required to turn it > on? Crash recovery doesn't always recover the correct document. There was, and for all I know still is, a bug that is incredibly difficult to diagnose, that causes both backup, and crash recovery to fail, depending upon how one configures various other user-changeable settings. (The simple fix was to turn off both auto backup, and crash recovery,, and if the program did crash, decline the recovery process. However, this fix does require one to save the file at frequent intervals --- at least once every five minutes, if not more frequently.) >When you restart OO after a crash, does it ask if you want to recover the file? Yes. # The ideal solution would be for somebody who groks both AOo and SVN to fix the bugs in OOo-SVN, so that it automatically saves files every # minutes. Ideally, part of the bug-fixing would be an automated install of SVN, such that non-programmers don't have to do anything but click one button "Yes, Install SVN", or "No, Cancel Operation". jonathon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
