Re: Email format.

[James Knott]

On 08/06/2016 07:19 PM, Nikoli A. McCracken wrote:
> The first letter of every sentence in an article or email, is Initial cap!
> Who the hey writes like that anymore?

Only those who respect the reader.

> Didn’t that go away along about Shakespeare’s time? I went to Msoft Tech 
> support, and they blandly said
> There was no way to change it! 

On this point, you're wrong.  A sentence always starts with a capital. 
Reading text that does not have capitals is very irritating to the point
I often don't bother.

Sentence structure, grammar and correct spelling are all there to make
it easier to understand what is being said.  The current situation,
where those are so often ignored, shows the sad state of behaviour or
even education these days.


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Re: Email format.

[Maurice Howe]

I think Nikoli meant "each LINE" (not each SENTENCE).

On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 7:04 AM, James Knott  wrote:

> On 08/06/2016 07:19 PM, Nikoli A. McCracken wrote:
> > The first letter of every sentence in an article or email, is Initial
> cap!
> > Who the hey writes like that anymore?
>
> Only those who respect the reader.
>
> > Didn’t that go away along about Shakespeare’s time? I went to Msoft Tech
> support, and they blandly said
> > There was no way to change it!
>
> On this point, you're wrong.  A sentence always starts with a capital.
> Reading text that does not have capitals is very irritating to the point
> I often don't bother.
>
> Sentence structure, grammar and correct spelling are all there to make
> it easier to understand what is being said.  The current situation,
> where those are so often ignored, shows the sad state of behaviour or
> even education these days.
>
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Re: Email format.

[James Plante]

He said “each sentence.” If he meant “each line,” as I suspect, then it’s 
likely because every line ends with a CRLF, so the next line obviously starts a 
new paragraph, in which the initial letter is capitalized, as it should be. 

Nikoli, for an e-mail client, you can try Thunderbird. Many folks use this free 
software. I don’t so I cannot talk about its features. Get it free at 
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/
Load it up and try it out. If you don’t like it, just remove it.

Now, just what are you trying to do with that book? Your post implies that 
you’re trying to open it in an e-mail client? Or are you trying to open it in 
OpenOffice? If the latter, I think you’re opening it in read-only mode. So open 
it, select all, copy that text, and paste it into a new text document. You 
should be able to edit that one. Save it before you start working on it though.

If that doesn’t work, the write back some more. That “initial cap” problem is 
easy to solve if you know about regular expressions, so don’t try to do it by 
hand. You’re using a word processor, not a typewriter, so let the word 
processor determine where to end the lines; you just type until you get to the 
end of a paragraph (not a line), THEN hit the return key. 

Jim Plante

> On Aug 7, 2016, at 6:08 AM, Maurice Howe  wrote:
> 
> I think Nikoli meant "each LINE" (not each SENTENCE).
> 
> On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 7:04 AM, James Knott  wrote:
> 
>> On 08/06/2016 07:19 PM, Nikoli A. McCracken wrote:
>>> The first letter of every sentence in an article or email, is Initial
>> cap!
>>> Who the hey writes like that anymore?
>> 
>> Only those who respect the reader.
>> 
>>> Didn’t that go away along about Shakespeare’s time? I went to Msoft Tech
>> support, and they blandly said
>>> There was no way to change it!
>> 
>> On this point, you're wrong.  A sentence always starts with a capital.
>> Reading text that does not have capitals is very irritating to the point
>> I often don't bother.
>> 
>> Sentence structure, grammar and correct spelling are all there to make
>> it easier to understand what is being said.  The current situation,
>> where those are so often ignored, shows the sad state of behaviour or
>> even education these days.
>> 
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Re: [was:] Double line spacing

[Julian Thomas]

> On Aug 6, 2016, at 17:29, Brian Barker  wrote:
> 
>> 1 virus 2 viri 3 virii 4 viriv. .. 9 virix
> 
> Ho, ho! A good one!

original credit goes to Rob Slade   [9 was my own addition]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Slade

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Re: Email format.

[Julian Thomas]

> On Aug 7, 2016, at 07:04, James Knott  wrote:
> 
>  A sentence always starts with a capital. 

"iPhones are nice".

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Re: Email format.

[Peter Hillier-Brook]

On 07/08/16 12:08, Maurice Howe wrote:
> I think Nikoli meant "each LINE" (not each SENTENCE).

Probably because he is not allowing automatic wrapping at line end and
is, instead, manually inserting a paragraph at his perception of a line
ending. This would also go some way to explaining his line spacing problem.

Typewriters have a lot to answer for. :-)

> On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 7:04 AM, James Knott  wrote:
> 
>> On 08/06/2016 07:19 PM, Nikoli A. McCracken wrote:
>>> The first letter of every sentence in an article or email, is Initial
>> cap!
>>> Who the hey writes like that anymore?
>>
>> Only those who respect the reader.
>>
>>> Didn’t that go away along about Shakespeare’s time? I went to Msoft Tech
>> support, and they blandly said
>>> There was no way to change it!
>>
>> On this point, you're wrong.  A sentence always starts with a capital.
>> Reading text that does not have capitals is very irritating to the point
>> I often don't bother.
>>
>> Sentence structure, grammar and correct spelling are all there to make
>> it easier to understand what is being said.  The current situation,
>> where those are so often ignored, shows the sad state of behaviour or
>> even education these days.
>>
>>
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RE: Email format.

[Dennis E. Hamilton]

I'm sorry for your difficulties, Penny.

I think there is some confusion about the different ways that you can send and 
receive emails using Windows 10.  There is a mail tool that is part of Windows 
10 and it will work on the desktop.

You can find that tool, named "Mail" on your start menu.  If you do not see it, 
it is the first item under "M" on the all-programs list.  You can use Mail for 
Windows 10 in full screen and have a large writing surface.  As you change the 
size, notice that paragraph text will be reflowed to automatically fit in the 
area available for the message.  That works for incoming email also.

I just used Mail for Windows 10 to compose an email to you.  I see that it has 
styles (Heading1, etc.) and you can select fonts, font sizes, and even font 
colors in messages you compose.  You will receive it separately.

If you were able to use your Charter account with Windows Live Mail, it should 
also work with Mail for Windows 10.  It may take a little exploration to find 
the ways to set it up.  The arrangements are a little different.  The good news 
is that there is great consistency about this throughout Windows 10, once you 
get the hang of it.

The term "Outlook" is a bit confusing.  It can be used to refer to Outlook.com, 
the email service (formerly called "Hotmail").  It can be used to refer to a 
web site for composing and reading your mail.  It can be used to refer to 
Microsoft software that operates on the desktop and will work with many 
services, including Outlook.com.  

PS: The Mail software has spelling checks automatically and it will 
auto-correct the first letter of a new sentence to be capitalized.  Also, if 
you use Enter to start a new line, that new line is taken as the first line of 
a new paragraph/sentence.  In modern word processing, only use Enter when you 
want to start a new paragraph and let the software automatically flow text from 
line to line in a single paragraph in whatever width of view you (and a 
recipient) are using.

PPS: There are magnifier, text-to-speech and other useful assistance options 
built into Windows 10.

ABOUT YOUR BOOK

Do you know what software you were using to write your book on Windows XP?  I 
think the versions of Word, Excel, etc., on your Windows machine was a trial 
version that was provided free on new computers.  It seems your trial has 
expired.  When the trial expires, it will read documents but not allow you to 
edit them.

There are a variety of alternatives.  But first, we need to know the format of 
your 500page book.

 - Dennis


> -Original Message-
> From: Nikoli A. McCracken [mailto:tursiop...@charter.net]
> Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2016 16:19
> To: users@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Email format.
> 
> 
> HI: I was using Windows Live Mail; suddenly, I got a notice from Outlook
> that they would no longer provide service for it. I switched to Outlook.
> BIG mistake! It offers ONE lousy font, and only 4 choices of size. I
> hate it. I tried to go back to Charter, as they are my primary ISP. Same
> problem;
> I hate their format. I’m 78 years old, 100% disabled, and Charter’s
> format is a mess. Two-thirds of the page is taken up with messages,
> address, other
> Notifications, and the area for the actual message is terrible. Also has
> a limited number of fonts. And I have old eyes, and trifocals!
> In addition, I have part of a book I was writing, working on it for over
> 7 years. It did make it safely onto this computer from a backup file I
> had.
> But it seems incapable of merging the old font with any new font,
> because it was first generated on Windows XP. So I can read it, but not
> add to
> It. Do I have to retype all 500 pages?
> Or, will your program help me? I am running Windows 10, downloaded from
> Windows 8.1 during the ‘free download’ period. That’s over. Plus,
> I’m getting weary of their constant demands for money. After just one
> year, I was going to have to buy another edition of Word, Excel, etc.
> And for me, a proofreader, they also do one thing that is the last damn
> straw! The first letter of every sentence in an article or email, is
> Initial cap!
> Who the hey writes like that anymore? Didn’t that go away along about
> Shakespeare’s time? I went to Msoft Tech support, and they blandly said
> There was no way to change it!
> Help!?
> Best wishes, Nikoli A.”Penny” McCracken
> tursiop...@charter.net
> 
> 
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10



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download, but unable to use

[herma reeskamp]

the programm is now downloaded. when i click nothing appears that looks like 
writing a document myself.


I lost my access to microsoft 2003 word (do not know how to recover, as lost CD 
and code, shared with a friend jears ago).

I do not see any possibility to start writing a new document with this 
programm, it does in no way look like word. I can select /open only documenst 
of other  people,  i do not want to read them!

also no possibility to access my own word documents alas. what could be done? 
How could I get into my own struff? how to open a new page in this ?programm? 
Is it at all possible to have ones own documents or is everything open to 
anybody?


I am totally lost

Re: download, but unable to use

[James Knott]

On 08/07/2016 03:13 PM, herma reeskamp wrote:
> the programm is now downloaded. when i click nothing appears that looks like 
> writing a document myself.
>
>
> I lost my access to microsoft 2003 word (do not know how to recover, as lost 
> CD and code, shared with a friend jears ago).
>
> I do not see any possibility to start writing a new document with this 
> programm, it does in no way look like word. I can select /open only documenst 
> of other  people,  i do not want to read them!
>
> also no possibility to access my own word documents alas. what could be done? 
> How could I get into my own struff? how to open a new page in this ?programm? 
> Is it at all possible to have ones own documents or is everything open to 
> anybody?
>
>
> I am totally lost
>


After you download (only from www.openoffice.org) double click on the
file you downloaded.  This will start the installation process.  Once
the installation is complete, you will be able to use it.


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Can't find answer on website or Help

[gmbgmb2]

I am very frustrated in trying to find answers to questions about Open Office, 
it all sounds too technical.
The main problem I have at present is trying to type in text the symbols found 
in music:  I have a sharp symbol on my keyboard but none of the others, 
particularly needing the flat symbol.
I have looked all over the character map as advised in your Help but it just 
isn’t there.  The only way I can do it is to find an old document containing it 
and copy and paste.  Surely this can’t be right?

I am using an HP Pavilion x360 laptop with windows 10.  Like many modern 
laptops it has no number pad or num lock key so I can’t access Alt codes.

Please help.

Gillian

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

Re: Can't find answer on website or Help

[Wade Smart]

On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 2:51 PM,   wrote:
> I am very frustrated in trying to find answers to questions about Open 
> Office, it all sounds too technical.
> The main problem I have at present is trying to type in text the symbols 
> found in music:  I have a sharp symbol on my keyboard but none of the others, 
> particularly needing the flat symbol.
> I have looked all over the character map as advised in your Help but it just 
> isn’t there.  The only way I can do it is to find an old document containing 
> it and copy and paste.  Surely this can’t be right?
>
> I am using an HP Pavilion x360 laptop with windows 10.  Like many modern 
> laptops it has no number pad or num lock key so I can’t access Alt codes.
>
> Please help.
>
> Gillian
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>

Try this:
http://www.outsideshore.com/music/music-software/musescore-example-manager-for-libreoffice/

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Re: download, but unable to use

[Doug]

On 08/07/2016 02:13 PM, herma reeskamp wrote:

the programm is now downloaded. when i click nothing appears that looks like 
writing a document myself.


I lost my access to microsoft 2003 word (do not know how to recover, as lost CD 
and code, shared with a friend jears ago).

I do not see any possibility to start writing a new document with this 
programm, it does in no way look like word. I can select /open only documenst 
of other  people,  i do not want to read them!

also no possibility to access my own word documents alas. what could be done? 
How could I get into my own struff? how to open a new page in this ?programm? 
Is it at all possible to have ones own documents or is everything open to 
anybody?


I am totally lost

You might want to look into SoftMaker Office. There is a free trial 
version which didn't expire, and had most of the serviceability of the 
full (paid) version.


I like it well enough that I bought it. I use Linux, which has a number 
of free word-processing softwares, including OpenOffice and LibreOffice, 
and at least two or


three others.  SoftMaker Office is an office suite that includes 
TextMaker, the word-processor, PlanMaker, a spreadsheet, and 
Presentations, a slide-maker. The


word-processor works with all the modern and recent formats of Microsoft 
products, and can read /and/ write them, which Apache cannot do. It 
doesn't force you to


learn "Styles" to use it, which was the biggest selling factor for me. 
(Altho you can set up some styles, if you insist.) The manufacturers are 
very helpful to those who


have bought the program. I have no financial or other interest in the 
company, which is in Germany.


--doug

Re: Can't find answer on website or Help

[Doug]

On 08/07/2016 02:51 PM, gmbg...@gmail.com wrote:

I am very frustrated in trying to find answers to questions about Open Office, 
it all sounds too technical.
The main problem I have at present is trying to type in text the symbols found 
in music:  I have a sharp symbol on my keyboard but none of the others, 
particularly needing the flat symbol.
I have looked all over the character map as advised in your Help but it just 
isn’t there.  The only way I can do it is to find an old document containing it 
and copy and paste.  Surely this can’t be right?

I am using an HP Pavilion x360 laptop with windows 10.  Like many modern 
laptops it has no number pad or num lock key so I can’t access Alt codes.

Please help.

Gillian

Sent from Mail for Windows 10


Don't just b♯,  b♭.  These symbols were typed using a Compose key in 
Linux. There is at least one program that will provide a compose key in 
Windows.


Here is the download site for WinCompose: 
https://github.com/S...evar/wincompose 



And here is the site that leads to it: 
https://autohotkey.com/board/topic/92511-wincompose-a-robust-compose-key-for-windows/


The sharp symbol is made by Compose ##.♯
The flat symbol is made by Compose # b♭
And a natural is made by Compose # f♮

Note that the letters are case-sensitive!

You can also make them by Unicode. I don't know how to do Unicode in 
Windows, but the Unicodes for the symbols are


sharp: 266F

flat: 266D

natural:   266E

You can make lots of other things with Compose: all the diacritical 
marks for European languages, currency symbols, fractions., some Greek 
letters.


Go to:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GtkComposeTable

Hope that helps!  --doug

Re: Can't find answer on website or Help

[Brian Barker]

At 20:51 07/08/2016 +0100, Gillian Bonly wrote:
I am very frustrated in trying to find answers to questions about 
Open Office, it all sounds too technical.


Your problem here sounds more to do with your computer hardware or 
operating system, in fact.


The main problem I have at present is trying to type in text the 
symbols found in music: I have a sharp symbol on my keyboard but 
none of the others, particularly needing the flat symbol.


Actually, what you have on your keyboard is a hash mark (U+0023), not 
the same as a musical sharp sign (U+266F) - though you may be 
satisfied in using one for the other. A good font should contain a 
proper sharp sign as well and flat and natural signs.


I have looked all over the character map as advised in your Help but 
it just isn't there.


I'm not sure what you mean by the character map, as there appears to 
be nothing called this in OpenOffice. You may be referring to a 
facility on your laptop that allows you to access characters not 
otherwise available on the keyboard. But there is a way to do this 
from within OpenOffice: go to Insert | Special Character... . If you 
scroll down, you will find the character there if it exists in your 
chosen font. But note that no font has all available characters and 
many may not have the musical signs you need. You can select the font 
at the top of the Special Characters panel.


At the bottom right of the Special Characters panel you will see the 
Unicode code point - a four-digit hexadecimal number - for the 
character you have currently located in the main panel. The 
characters you are likely to be interested in are:

U+2669 Quarter note (= crotchet)
U+266A Eighth note (= quaver)
U+266B Beamed eighth notes (= beamed quavers)
U+266C Beamed sixteenth notes (= beamed semiquavers)
U+266D Music flat sign
U+266E Music natural sign
U+266F Music sharp sign
U+1D12A Musical symbol double sharp
U+1D12B Musical symbol double flat

My Times New Roman font, for example, has only quaver and semiquaver, 
not any of the signs you want. My DejaVu Sans has the first seven but 
not the last two. Some other fonts have none of these. Your fonts may 
differ. It's a simple fact that if your fonts do not include the 
relevant glyphs, you simply cannot print them. That's a font problem, 
not an OpenOffice problem. Your inserted character can be in a 
different font from surrounding text, of course.


The only way I can do it is to find an old document containing it 
and copy and paste. Surely this can't be right?


Indeed not.

I am using an HP Pavilion x360 laptop with windows 10.  Like many 
modern laptops it has no number pad or num lock key so I can't 
access Alt codes.


That's unfortunate. Many laptops have hidden numeric keypads on the 
7, 8, 9, U, I, O, J, K, L, and M keys - but unfortunately not yours, it seems.


If you need a flat or sharp sign very infrequently, it may be easiest 
to insert it using the Special Characters panel each time. But if you 
need these frequently, you may find it easier to type a code of your 
choice and replace these globally after you have finished entering 
your text. For example, you could enter #f, #n, and #s for flat, 
natural, and sharp and the replace these with the proper characters 
using Find & Replace in one go at the end.


I trust this helps.

Brian Barker


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Re: Can't find answer on website or Help--Hope I can help

[anthonyrudgers]

Greetings,

One doesn't need to summon up Linux to get all the special characters one 
needs for music, mathematics, or most anything else.  It's all there in MS 
Windows, waiting for you to use.  First, do a search ON YOUR COMPUTER for 
"Character Map."  On my HP Envy notebook running Windows 10, the path is 
given:


Local Drive(C)>Program Files>Microsoft>Windows>Start Menu>Programs>Windows 
Accessories>System Tools


When you get to the screen that has the Character Map, pin that app to your 
Windows Tool Bar.  Now when you have a document in OpenOffice, Mail, or any 
other similar word-processor utility, just click on the Character Map icon 
on your Tool Bar, find your special symbol, select it, copy it, & then paste 
it into your document, "easy as pie."  Not all of the fonts, & there are 
many, have the ♭ (music flat) symbol, so you'll have to search to find a 
flat symbol to your liking.  The one shown above came from the Character Map 
font "Lucida Sans Unicode."


I hope this helps you.

Best wishes,

Anthony J. Rudgers
Orlando, FL
Posted: August 8, 2016; 9:18 pm

-Original Message- 
From: Doug

Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2016 6:23 PM
To: users@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: Can't find answer on website or Help


On 08/07/2016 02:51 PM, gmbg...@gmail.com wrote:
I am very frustrated in trying to find answers to questions about Open 
Office, it all sounds too technical.
The main problem I have at present is trying to type in text the symbols 
found in music:  I have a sharp symbol on my keyboard but none of the 
others, particularly needing the flat symbol.
I have looked all over the character map as advised in your Help but it 
just isn’t there.  The only way I can do it is to find an old document 
containing it and copy and paste.  Surely this can’t be right?


I am using an HP Pavilion x360 laptop with windows 10.  Like many modern 
laptops it has no number pad or num lock key so I can’t access Alt codes.


Please help.

Gillian

Sent from Mail for Windows 10



Don't just b♯,  b♭.  These symbols were typed using a Compose key in
Linux. There is at least one program that will provide a compose key in
Windows.

Here is the download site for WinCompose:
https://github.com/S...evar/wincompose


And here is the site that leads to it:
https://autohotkey.com/board/topic/92511-wincompose-a-robust-compose-key-for-windows/

The sharp symbol is made by Compose ##.♯
The flat symbol is made by Compose # b♭
And a natural is made by Compose # f♮

Note that the letters are case-sensitive!

You can also make them by Unicode. I don't know how to do Unicode in
Windows, but the Unicodes for the symbols are

sharp: 266F

flat: 266D

natural:   266E

You can make lots of other things with Compose: all the diacritical
marks for European languages, currency symbols, fractions., some Greek
letters.

Go to:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GtkComposeTable

Hope that helps!  --doug













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