keeping USB disk awake

2013-04-08 Thread Sherman Grunewagon 
I have an external SATA disk in a USB-3 / eSATA docking station. When I connect 
using eSATA, the disk stays awake. But when I connect using the USB-3 port, it 
goes to sleep after a few minutes. How do I make it work like the eSATA?

Sherman

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Re: keeping USB disk awake

2013-04-09 Thread Sherman Grunewagon 
On Tue Apr 9, 2013, at 06:02:08,  pomo wrote:
> On 09.04.2013 07:38, Sherman Grunewagon wrote:
> 
> > I have an external SATA disk in a USB-3 / eSATA docking
> > station. When I connect using eSATA, the disk stays awake. But when I
> > connect using the USB-3 port, it goes to sleep after a few
> > minutes. How do I make it work like the eSATA?
> 
> - autosuspend
> less /usr/share/doc/kernel-doc-3.8.5/Documentation/usb/power-management.txt

Thanks.  Nicely written doc. But nothing I've tried after reading it works.
Here's what I did.

gdisk -l /dev/sdd (to wakeup the disk)
echo -1 > /sys/devices/pci:00/:00:14.0/usb4/power/autosuspend  (it was 
0)

   

gdisk -l /dev/sdd (to wakeup the disk again)

echo "on" > /sys/devices/pci:00/:00:14.0/usb4/power/control (was "auto")

   

gdisk -l /dev/sdd (wakeup it up again)

echo on > 
/sys/devices/pci:00/:00:14.0/usb4/4-3/4-3:1.0/host20/target20:0:0/20:0:0:0/block/sdd/power/control
  (was "auto")

   

Other suggestions?



Sherman

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Re: keeping USB disk awake

2013-04-10 Thread Sherman Grunewagon 
On Wed Apr 10, 2013 at 11:41 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote:
> Sherman Grunewagon wrote:
> > On Tue Apr 9, 2013, at 06:02:08,  pomo wrote:
> >> On 09.04.2013 07:38, Sherman Grunewagon wrote:
> >>
> >>> I have an external SATA disk in a USB-3 / eSATA docking
> >>> station. When I connect using eSATA, the disk stays awake. But when I
> >>> connect using the USB-3 port, it goes to sleep after a few
> >>> minutes. How do I make it work like the eSATA?



> > Other suggestions?
> >
> Have you tried just disabling spindown? (hdparm -S0 drive)

Thanks. I have now, as well as hdparm -B 255 drive.
The disk/docking station still suspends after a few minutes.
I'm ready to try recompling the kernel with CONFIG_USB_SUSPEND=n
But since 

    for i in /sys/bus/usb/devices/*/power/autosuspend; do echo -1 > $i; done

also has no effect, I think it will be a waste of time.

I should mention that this is a freshly updated F18 install.
Motherboard is a Sabertooth Z77.
The docking station is a StarTech,
<http://www.startech.com/HDD/Docking/SuperSpeed-USB-3-eSATA-Hard-Drive-Docking-Station-with-Cooling-Fan~SATDOCKU3SEF>

and the disk is a SAMSUNG HD103SJ sata drive (1 TB).
The motherboard docs don't say anything about USB suspend.

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Re: keeping USB disk awake

2013-04-11 Thread Sherman Grunewagon 
On Wed, April 10, 2013 at 5:36 PM, poma wrote:
> On 11.04.2013 00:51, Sherman Grunewagon wrote:
> > Thanks. I have now, as well as hdparm -B 255 drive.
> > The disk/docking station still suspends after a few minutes.
> > I'm ready to try recompling the kernel with CONFIG_USB_SUSPEND=n
> > But since
> >
> >    for i in /sys/bus/usb/devices/*/power/autosuspend; do echo -1 > $i; done
> >
> > also has no effect, I think it will be a waste of time.
> >
> > I should mention that this is a freshly updated F18 install.
> > Motherboard is a Sabertooth Z77.
> > The docking station is a StarTech,
> > <http://www.startech.com/HDD/Docking/SuperSpeed-USB-3-eSATA-Hard-Drive-Docking-Station-with-Cooling-Fan~SATDOCKU3SEF>
> >
> > and the disk is a SAMSUNG HD103SJ sata drive (1 TB).
> > The motherboard docs don't say anything about USB suspend.
> 
> Spinpoint F3, hah!
> It's up to the USB controller/adapter, not to drive.
> Before the jump, you can call people who actually wrote the code -
> linux-...@vger.kernel.org.

Thanks for the tip.   I'll join the mailing list and ask over there.

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Re: keeping USB disk awake

2013-04-11 Thread Sherman Grunewagon 


On Wed, April 10, 2013 at 5:36 PM, poma wrote:
> On 11.04.2013 00:51, Sherman Grunewagon wrote:
> > Thanks. I have now, as well as hdparm -B 255 drive.
> > The disk/docking station still suspends after a few minutes.
> > I'm ready to try recompling the kernel with CONFIG_USB_SUSPEND=n
> > But since
> >
> >    for i in /sys/bus/usb/devices/*/power/autosuspend; do echo -1 > $i; done
> >
> > also has no effect, I think it will be a waste of time.
> >
> > I should mention that this is a freshly updated F18 install.
> > Motherboard is a Sabertooth Z77.
> > The docking station is a StarTech,
> > <http://www.startech.com/HDD/Docking/SuperSpeed-USB-3-eSATA-Hard-Drive-Docking-Station-with-Cooling-Fan~SATDOCKU3SEF>
> >
> > and the disk is a SAMSUNG HD103SJ sata drive (1 TB).
> > The motherboard docs don't say anything about USB suspend.
> 
> Spinpoint F3, hah!
> It's up to the USB controller/adapter, not to drive.
> Before the jump, you can call people who actually wrote the code -
> linux-...@vger.kernel.org.

Thanks for the tip.   I'll join that mailing list and ask over there.

Sherman

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Re: keeping USB disk awake (SOLVED--kind of)

2013-04-15 Thread Sherman Grunewagon 
On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote:
> Sherman Grunewagon wrote:
> > On Wed Apr 10, 2013 at 11:41 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote:
> >> Sherman Grunewagon wrote:
> >>> On Tue Apr 9, 2013, at 06:02:08,  pomo wrote:
> >>>> On 09.04.2013 07:38, Sherman Grunewagon wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I have an external SATA disk in a USB-3 / eSATA docking
> >>>>> station. When I connect using eSATA, the disk stays awake. But when I
> >>>>> connect using the USB-3 port, it goes to sleep after a few
> >>>>> minutes. How do I make it work like the eSATA?
> > 
> >
> >>> Other suggestions?
> >>>
> >> Have you tried just disabling spindown? (hdparm -S0 drive)
> > Thanks. I have now, as well as hdparm -B 255 drive.
> > The disk/docking station still suspends after a few minutes.
> > I'm ready to try recompling the kernel with CONFIG_USB_SUSPEND=n
> > But since
> >
> >  for i in /sys/bus/usb/devices/*/power/autosuspend; do echo -1 > $i; 
> >done
> >
> > also has no effect, I think it will be a waste of time.
> >
> > I should mention that this is a freshly updated F18 install.
> > Motherboard is a Sabertooth Z77.
> > The docking station is a StarTech,
> > <http://www.startech.com/HDD/Docking/SuperSpeed-USB-3-eSATA-Hard-Drive-Docking-Station-with-Cooling-Fan~SATDOCKU3SEF>
> >
> > and the disk is a SAMSUNG HD103SJ sata drive (1 TB).
> > The motherboard docs don't say anything about USB suspend.
> >
> > Sherman
> >
> At this point, are you sure the kernel is doing it? Assuming hdparm -S reaches
> the drive itself and disables spindown via timeout, something is telling the
> drive to rest, or it is firmware set to sleep regardless. Very odd.

I have since called the manufacturer of the docking station. They confirmed 
that this
particular dock has the "feature" that it autonomously goes to sleep after 5 
minutes of non-use
when connected via USB. That's why nothing I did via the kernel helped. I guess 
I will have
to ping the two docking stations every 4.9 minutes via a cron job to keep them 
awake.

What a kludge.  Other suggestions?

Sherman

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I've stopped receiving mail from fedora users

2013-04-19 Thread Sherman Grunewagon 
For the past few days I've stopped receiving e-mail from the fedora list.

I' checked my fedora membership mailing list config and found this:

   We have received some recent bounces from your address.  Your current bounce 
score is 3.0 out of a maximum of 5.0.
   Please double check that your subscribed address is correct and that there 
are no problems with delivery to this address.
   Your bounce score will be automatically reset if the problems are corrected 
soon.

I can't see anything out of order on my ymail.com account profile. (I've 
changed nothing.) 

There are no filters and no blocking set. I really don't know what to do at 
this point. Who should I contact and what else should I check?


Any help will be appreciated!  (I'll monitor 
)

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Re: I've stopped receiving mail from fedora users

2013-04-20 Thread Sherman Grunewagon 
On Fri, April 19, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Geoffrey Leach wrote:
> On 04/19/2013 11:11:58 AM, Sherman Grunewagon wrote:
> > For the past few days I've stopped receiving e-mail from the fedora
> > list.
> >
> > I' checked my fedora membership mailing list config and found this:
> >
> >    We have received some recent bounces from your address.  Your
> > current bounce score is 3.0 out of a maximum of 5.0.
> >    Please double check that your subscribed address is correct and
> > that there are no problems with delivery to this address.
> >    Your bounce score will be automatically reset if the problems are
> > corrected soon.
> >
> > I can't see anything out of order on my ymail.com account profile.
> > (I've changed nothing.)
> >
> > There are no filters and no blocking set. I really don't know what to
> > do at this point. Who should I contact and what else should I check?
> 
> Log into your membership options at https://admin.fedoraproject.org/
> mailman/options/users and check the Mail delivery option.
> 
> FWIW for me this is a major annoyance, as it happens every few months.
> Requests to the list administrator for details (so that whatever the
> problem is might be corrected) have gone unanswered.
> 

Thanks.  I checked it and it is set to "enabled", so that's not it.  I guess
I got your e-mail because you kindly sent it to me and copied the
list.  I'm still not getting anything from the list directly.

Sherman
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Re: I've stopped receiving mail from fedora users

2013-04-20 Thread Sherman Grunewagon 
On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 6:52 AM, staticsafe wrote:
> On 4/20/2013 3:24, Sherman Grunewagon wrote:
> > On Fri, April 19, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Geoffrey Leach wrote:
> >> On 04/19/2013 11:11:58 AM, Sherman Grunewagon wrote:
> >>> For the past few days I've stopped receiving e-mail from the fedora
> >>> list.
> >>>
> >>> I' checked my fedora membership mailing list config and found this:
> >>>
> >>>    We have received some recent bounces from your address.  Your
> >>> current bounce score is 3.0 out of a maximum of 5.0.
> >>>    Please double check that your subscribed address is correct and
> >>> that there are no problems with delivery to this address.
> >>>    Your bounce score will be automatically reset if the problems are
> >>> corrected soon.
> >>>
> >>> I can't see anything out of order on my ymail.com account profile.
> >>> (I've changed nothing.)
> >>>
> >>> There are no filters and no blocking set. I really don't know what to
> >>> do at this point. Who should I contact and what else should I check?
> >>
> >> Log into your membership options at https://admin.fedoraproject.org/
> >> mailman/options/users and check the Mail delivery option.
> >>
> >> FWIW for me this is a major annoyance, as it happens every few months.
> >> Requests to the list administrator for details (so that whatever the
> >> problem is might be corrected) have gone unanswered.
> >>
> >
> > Thanks.  I checked it and it is set to "enabled", so that's not it.  I guess
> > I got your e-mail because you kindly sent it to me and copied the
> > list.  I'm still not getting anything from the list directly.
> >
> > Sherman
> >
> 
> Hmm, can you try something?
> 
> Send an e-mail to users-requ...@lists.fedoraproject.org with the subject
> "help" (without the quotes).
> 
> Do you get a response back from the list server?

I sent a help request half an hour ago and nothing has come back.



But here's something strange.  Between 4:30pm and 5:06pm today about
15 messages from users@lists.fedoraproject.org came dribbling into my
ymail.com account.  They seem to be from dates ranging from the 16th
to 19th of April and have come in _random_ date order.  Some earlier
arrivals have later sent dates.  The most recent arrival, from Kevin
Martin, was sent on the 16th! I've included the headers below.  It
arrived in my ymail.com mailbox at 5:06PM PDT today.  It seems to have
waited on fedora's machine till today to be sent.  Strange.  (The only
change I made to the headers is to x-out Martin's e-mail address.)

Sherman


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Re: I've stopped receiving mail from fedora users

2013-04-20 Thread Sherman Grunewagon 
.On Sat Apr 20 at 15:27:11 UTC David Boles wrote:
> On 4/20/2013 3:24 AM, Sherman Grunewagon wrote:
> > On Fri, April 19, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Geoffrey Leach wrote:
> >> On 04/19/2013 11:11:58 AM, Sherman Grunewagon wrote:
> >>> For the past few days I've stopped receiving e-mail from the fedora
> >>> list.
> >>>
> >>> I' checked my fedora membership mailing list config and found this:
> >>>
> >>> We have received some recent bounces from your address.  Your
> >>> current bounce score is 3.0 out of a maximum of 5.0.
> >>> Please double check that your subscribed address is correct and
> >>> that there are no problems with delivery to this address.
> >>> Your bounce score will be automatically reset if the problems are
> >>> corrected soon.
> >>>
> >>> I can't see anything out of order on my ymail.com account profile.
> >>> (I've changed nothing.)
> >>>
> >>> There are no filters and no blocking set. I really don't know what to
> >>> do at this point. Who should I contact and what else should I check?
> >>
> >> Log into your membership options at https://admin.fedoraproject.org/
> >> mailman/options/users and check the Mail delivery option.
> >>
> >> FWIW for me this is a major annoyance, as it happens every few months.
> >> Requests to the list administrator for details (so that whatever the
> >> problem is might be corrected) have gone unanswered.
> >>
> > 
> > Thanks.  I checked it and it is set to "enabled", so that's not it.  I guess
> > I got your e-mail because you kindly sent it to me and copied the
> > list.  I'm still not getting anything from the list directly.
> > 
> > Sherman
> > 
> 
> Yahoo mail was hacked several weeks ago. Did you follow the directions
> to correct your account?

My ymail.com account is only 21 days old. Is the hack is an issue?

Sherman
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Re: I've stopped receiving mail from fedora users

2013-04-24 Thread Sherman Grunewagon 
On Sun, 21 Apr at 14:15:44, Kevin Fenzi 
> On Sat, 20 Apr 2013 21:09:06 -0700 (PDT)
> Sherman Grunewagon  wrote:
> 
> > My ymail.com account is only 21 days old. Is the hack is an issue?
> 
> No, but yahoo is.
> 
> We (fedoraproject.org) consistently have issues with yahoo mail
> servers. They frequently block our mail, defer it or just don't deliver
> it.
> 
> I would strongly advise you to choose another free email provider.
> google or hotmail both seem to do fine, but I am sure there are others.
> 
> This is as true today as when Mike wrote it about 3.5 years ago:
> 
> http://mmcgrath.livejournal.com/37248.html

Thanks.  I'll switch to another e-mail service.

Sherman
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