Re: "Be excellent to each other" / Call people out for doin a good job
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 4:46 AM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > I was disappointed when I read through the Go / No Go meeting log tonight > when I read that we would have to slip. Then I remembered the evidence of > hard work I observed over the last couple of weeks and thought, that people > are going to notice the slip and grumble about that and forget about the > hard work a number of people put in trying to get a release we could be > proud of out on the 18th. > > So I acknowledged some of that on the devel list. Yes a lot of work goes into every release - and the slip is only a week - I am sure that most people can live with that! Sure there will be some who grumble but if at the end of the day the slip will make the difference between a release that causes some people significant problems, and a slipped release that earns many accolades then the decision has been the right one. Many people contribute to each release and although there are inevitably a number of key people who take charge of the management of the process and development there are many who make small contributions but each contribution makes a difference. I look forward to F13 in my own machines! -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: A question about yum.
On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 12:27 PM, George R Goffe wrote: > Tim, > > I have been looking for replies but found none, that is why I re-posted. In > looking at the archive I see that some have not arrived in my inbox. Sigh. I > have been having troubles with yahoo classic for the past few months, > searching fails randomly, filters disappear randomly, sorting of email fails > intermittently, numerous error codes (2,3,4,5,6,20,22) and the winner, "an > error has occurred". I know, it's hard to believe that last one. Their > support structure is in need of serious help. > > Anyway. I run "yum update" every other day and then yum clean all which > always reports 0 pkgs removed. I'm probably doing something wrong but for > the life of me, I can't see it. Maybe a plugin? > > Have a look at /etc/yum.conf and see if you have a line: keepcache=1 If this is the case then it keeps the package rpms in cache - if the parameter is zero then it does not keep the rpms in cache and so yum clean all will have no packages to remove! The default is zero. This may explain your observations and for most people there is no need to clog up your system partition with the stored rpms. If you want to copy the rpms to another machine without the need to download again then you may want keepcache=1 and then transfer the rpms locally to the other machine and then run yum update on that machine which itself will then not need keepcache=0 Mike -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: DVD Installer on USB...?
On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 2:40 PM, Christopher A. Williams wrote: > I love the speed of the USB installer from the Live CD...! > > But I would also like to stop using so many DVDs for, well everything. > USB drives are much more convenient, portable, durable, and reusable. > My ideal scenario would be able to put the DVD installer ISO onto a > bootable USB stick as well - specifically for the portability USB drives > give over DVDs, and also because USB sticks are basically a lot faster > and easily re-used once I'm done with the install. I mean, do you use > the install DVD for anything else once you've done the install? > > Again - this would not be a Live image. It would be the DVD installer > itself running from a USB drive for the specific purpose of doing > exactly what the DVD installer does now. > > I've tried to figure out how to do this a couple of releases back, was > unsuccessful after about 30 minutes - OK, so I gave up pretty fast.. :) > - and went back to just burning the DVD. But I'm still interested in > having this as an option and I'd bet I'm not alone. > > Anyone have a how-to/magic incantation to do this? Could we eventually > make this an option for Fedora installers too? > I have done so in the past - basically what you need to do is make a bootable usbkey and then put the netinst.iso on it via one of the advertised techniques from the Fedora wiki - or using unetbootin. On the same key in the root directory you put the DVD iso file as well as the images directory from that same file. (I don't know if the images directory is still needed for f13 but perhaps someone knowledgable will chime in here? It won't do any harm having it there anyway!) Then once netinst.iso has been booted you can select a hard drive install, and then navigate to the top directory of the key. This should then be exactly like a normal hard drive install with one potential gotcha - that is when the grub installation section is reached, the default (unless this is changed in f13 or f12) is to place grub on the MBR of the usbkey as the default. At this point you *must* make sure that you select the MBR on the drive that you are installing on, instead of the key otherwise when you complete the install and remove the key then your shiny new installation won't boot! Other than that I did this for F10 and F11 without major issues. Of course if you already have Fedora running then you can place the DVD iso on your hard drive, and copy out the images directory by loop mounting it, and placing it in the same directory as the iso. Then also copy out vmlinux and initrd.img to /boot naming them say F13.install and F13.install.img respectively and then adding a grub stanza to /boot/grub/grub.conf to point the kernel line and next line to these two files, and name the stanza something like F13-install - then when you next boot you can select this grub entry and initiate your install using a hard drive method and point to the DVD iso on your hard drive. This will only work if the iso and images directory are on a partition that will not be formatted during the install. This is in fact the way I usually do my installs to the N+1 version on any machine. -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Chromium by default?
On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Richard Shaw wrote: > On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 3:24 AM, Valent Turkovic > wrote: >> In the latest release [1] of Community Fedora Remix (yes, we are >> looking for a new name [2]) some flack we got was due to having >> duplicate apps; two browsers and two email clients. >> >> How about switching to Chromium only in our next release? >> >> Are there some pitfalls that would prevents us from doing so? The >> biggest issue currently is that Chromium is still not in Fedora repos >> (read why [3]) but Tom releases great quality packages and all his >> releases were rock solid so far. Can someone confirm that Chromium now runs flash and java correctly? One reason I switched to Chrome from Chromium some time back is because of these issues. Thanks -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: FC13, Installing 32 bit Libs on a 64 bit box
On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 10:30 PM, Phil Meyer wrote: > On 06/03/2010 10:33 AM, Jim wrote: >> FC13/KDE >> >> How do I install 32 bit Libs on a 64 bit box ? >> >> I have SDL installed. >> >> This would be a good addition to Yum. >> > > It would be much easier to discover why you might need some 32 bit > libraries. > > For instance, you mentioned SDL. Is there an app you have that is not > in rpm format that requires 32 bit libs? > > Perhaps you have a 32 bit app in rpm format. > > Simply: > > # yum localinstall --nogpgcheck .rpm > > That will install all of the appropriate 32 bit libs for that app. > > Much better than just trying to grab all 32 bit libs and hope it works ... If someone wants to run a nightly version of Thunderbird (say 3.1.1pre) in 64 bit F13 where the nightly builds are only for 32 bit - then it is not so easy! If you can give a one line command to pull in all the correct 32 bit libraries needed for that scenario I would be most interested in seeing it. -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: FC13, Installing 32 bit Libs on a 64 bit box
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 12:01 AM, Phil Meyer wrote:
>> If someone wants to run a nightly version of Thunderbird (say
>> 3.1.1pre) in 64 bit F13 where the nightly builds are only for 32 bit -
>> then it is not so easy!
>>
>> If you can give a one line command to pull in all the correct 32 bit
>> libraries needed for that scenario I would be most interested in
>> seeing it.
>>
>>
>
>
> Hehe, there is always a way :)
>
> Here ya go!
>
> rm -f /tmp/lister /tmp/lister1 ; for file in `ldd
> /usr/lib64/thunderbird-3.0/thunderbird-bin | awk '{print $1}'` ; do sudo
> yum whatprovides $file 2> /dev/null | egrep "i386|i686" >> /tmp/lister ;
> done ; sort -u -o /tmp/lister /tmp/lister ; awk '{print $1}' /tmp/lister
> > /tmp/lister1 ; sudo yum install `cat /tmp/lister1`
>
> It works, but adds some stuff not strictly necessary for running Tbird
> generically. And, its not pretty! :)
Wow - very neat!
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A question on OCR for bad old document?
I have a scanned pdf of a very old document which was typewritten about half a century ago. The scanned copy is noisy and the letters are far from clear. The text can be made out (mostly) by eye, but it is 19 pages long and I would like to OCR it to get a digitised text to save the eye strain and lots of typing. I have tried various routes to doing this, including converting the pdf to jpg, tif and other formats after fiddling with it in GIMP to turn it (not very well) from grey scale to monochrome with an indexed image before trying to OCR it. I have tried GOCR, OCRAD and gscan2pdf but all give pretty awful results with a very low success rate. Does anyone have any guidance or a url to point me to that may help with turning that scanned old document into something sensible as a character file within Fedora ? Thanks in advance for any tips. -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: A question on OCR for bad old document?
On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 10:12 PM, Paul Smith wrote: > > Have you tried Tesseract? I suppose that Tesseract can work from > inside gscan2pdf. Yes I tried tesseract and it does not seem to fair much better than the other options - (it is a tough document to OCR though) > > (http://code.google.com/p/tesseract-ocr/) > > (yum install tesseract) > > The best OCR tool that I have found up to now is a commercial one: > Acrobat Professional. Is that available for Fedora? -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: A question on OCR for bad old document?
On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 10:19 PM, Frank Cox wrote: > > You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. > Hah - well true but I had hoped after seeing the wonderful computing facilities on CSI TV programmes (only joking!) > If you are having difficulty reading the scan yourself, then you're > probably out of luck getting the computer to OCR it for you. > > Your best bet is to retype it. It's only 19 pages so it shouldn't take I was hoping you would not say that! -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: I did gOCR with screenshots, if helpful
On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Rodolfo Alcazar Portillo wrote: > Well I had a somehow bad experience. Tried saving my firefox passwords, > but Firefox doesnt' have any stored passwords exporting form > (edit/configuration/security/stored passwords, if anyone knows how to > export them, please.), so I did an OCR to my firefox screenshots. > > The best I did was with gocr, due to its configuration options, making > tests of best configurartion options > > 1. used Dejavu fonts on my screen > 2. resized the image (bigger), letter height about 20 pixels > (uppercases) > 3. tried a lot of attempts playing with certainty and space sizes: > > for a in $(seq 95 100); do > for s in $(seq 12 25); do > gocr -s $s -a $a screen.jpg > echo s, a > read > # this read command allows you to explore your text on screen, > # read S and A and continue by pressing ENTER > done > done > > 4. did my final recognition for all my saved screenshots with the best > combination of A and S, cant remember them > > By the end, I had a 98% characters recognized, bad for passwords. > Neither tesseract nor Ocrad offered good results for me. In your case, > maybe tesseract would be helpful. Also unpaper. Thanks for that - although in my case the original text is an old document with poorly formed print from an old style typewriter (you know, the kind that had an inked ribbon, and embossed characters that flew onto the ribbon and paper when a key was hit!) I may try again but the results I got from the attempts with all the ocr applications I tried had a success rate around 5% which means that typing it back from scratch would be quicker than editing an OCR'ed document! Mike -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Wireless T61 Problem
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 2:49 AM, Ray Curtis wrote: > On 06/07/2010 08:28 PM, Genes MailLists wrote: >> On 06/07/2010 12:37 PM, Ray Curtis wrote: >>> I am having a problem configuring my wireless [Intel 4965AGN] on a >>> Lenovo T61 laptop, Fedora 13. >>> Thus far I have this config: >>> >> >> >> What is the output of >> >> /etc/init.d/network status >> /etc/init.d/NetworkManager status >> > > [r...@daffy:/root]/% /etc/init.d/network status > Configured devices: > lo eth0 wlan0 > Currently active devices: > lo eth0 wlan0 > > [r...@daffy:/root]/% /etc/init.d/NetworkManager status > NetworkManager (pid 1261) is running... That could be a problem - if you have both network and NetworkManager running at the same time I believe that they will conflict with each other. Stop the network service and see if NetworkManager then runs better on its own -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Chrome has a memory leak it appears....
On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 2:10 PM, Kevin Martin wrote: > > PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ > COMMAND > 15445 kevinm 20 0 1175m 1.0g 11m R 95.4 35.3 50:55.12 > chrome > 15450 kevinm 20 0 157m 66m 10m S 5.3 2.2 106:19.06 > chrome > 16952 kevinm 20 0 496m 45m 17m S 3.6 1.5 72:08.51 > chrome > 2348 kevinm 9 -11 164m 3020 2280 S 2.6 0.1 33:19.16 > pulseaudio > 2152 kevinm 20 0 294m 10m 4840 S 2.0 0.3 1:05.66 > Terminal > 1749 root 20 0 48988 15m 7224 S 1.7 0.5 37:01.22 > X > 15470 kevinm 20 0 615m 499m 10m S 1.7 16.5 50:30.41 > chrome > > > Sweet! Hit the Gb mark for memory usage and 1 whole CPU! Latest and Depends what you are doing with chrome I guess - I am running chrome right now and have: -- PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEMTIME+ COMMAND 25400 mike 20 0 155m 6916 6896 S 1.7 0.3 1213:41 chrome 26384 root 20 0 310m 29m 13m S 1.3 1.2 24:29.59 Xorg 12987 mike 20 0 110m 19m 13m S 0.7 0.8 0:02.28 chrome 26931 mike 20 0 37424 11m 8916 S 0.7 0.4 19:52.81 gkrellm I expect that I might just be able to live with a memory percentage of 0.3 to 0.8 ! mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Another funny update?
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 7:33 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 13:20:28 -0500, > Kevin Martin wrote: >> >> >> Shouldn't there be a way for yum/packagekit to understand the >> interdependencies when kmod packages are installed such that a new >> kernel update is *not* offered if the corresponding kmod package that >> uses it is not available? Could this be a new yum extension I see in >> the future? > > I think it can do it now. One approach would be that when a kmod is first > built it conflicts against any later kernels. This should block kernel > updates. Then when a kmod is made for a later version of the kernel, > the earlier kmod gets an update that no longer conflicts with later kernels. I used to use kmod-nvidia(-PAE) and what I used to do was: yum check-update Then if there was a kernel but no kmod update listed then I did an update excluding the kernel - Later in the day do it again and if the kmod is then available do a complete update - Is that so difficult? I also used to use akmod-nvidia and found after some trial and error that there was no -PAE version whereas there was a -PAE version of kmod-nvidia-PAE so one had to be a little careful about exactly which package to use! Hope this helps. -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Thunderbird 3.1
On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 4:09 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 06/19/2010 07:59 PM, Steven Stern wrote: >> I see that Thunderbird 3.1 RC2 is in the rawhide repository. When >> Thunderbird 3.1 is release, will it become part of Fedora 13 or will it >> be held until Fedora 14? >> >> It appears that 3.1 is faster and more reliable than 3.0.4. >> > > Unlikely. Newer versions of Mozilla apps typically require major new > versions of XULRunner as well and since there are many apps using > XUlRunner, Fedora typically does not update to a major version of > Firefox or Thunderbird in a existing release. Even though it may not be planned as a provided rpm for f13 it is actually pretty easy to install Thunderbird 3.1 of any version yourself and run it. What you do is the following: Make yourself a directory where you will hold the application - eg in my case it is /opt/Local/vers/thunderbird/ but you can choose anywhere you like. Then download the tarball of the version you are interested in - for example: http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/thunderbird/releases/3.1rc2/linux-i686/en-GB/thunderbird-3.1rc2.tar.bz2 As root cd to the storage directory you have chosen, and move the file to the directory where you want to store it, and use the tar command to uncompress the tarball. Then you will have a directory such as in my case: /opt/Local/vers/thunderbird/ What I do is to rename that directory to one with the date appended so the directory name is thunderbird-3.1-100619 Then I make a symlink to that calling it simply thunderbird by doing: ln -s thunderbird-3.1-100619 thunderbird So now /opt/Local/vers/thunderbird/thunderbird is a link to the directory containing the files for this new version of Thunderbird. The reason for doing this is that you can download newer versions and keep the original directory - so later you may then have thunderbird-3.1-100630 for example and then remove the link and relink to the newer directory - the rest will then work without the need to do any other changes - and if the newer version has a problem then merely removing the link and remaking it to the original directory will then get you back to where you were. Then I create a standard script file that uses the application by creating a file called thunderbird in /opt/Local/bin (but you could put it anywhere you like) That file contains: #!/bin/sh TDIR=/opt/Local/vers/thunderbird/thunderbird export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$TDIR exec $TDIR/thunderbird I make an icon on the desktop, of type application, that calls this file as a command - i.e. the command is /opt/Local/bin/thunderbird Make sure that you keep a copy of the your Thunderbird profile in .thunderbird in your user area in case there are problems going from a very old version of thunderbird to the new one. Double click on the new icon and this new version of Thunderbird should fire up and run. I have been using the latest nightly versions of thunderbird 3.1 for a very long time and it works without any problems for me. I hope this helps. -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Thunderbird 3.1
On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 4:55 PM, mike cloaked wrote: > On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 4:09 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> On 06/19/2010 07:59 PM, Steven Stern wrote: >>> I see that Thunderbird 3.1 RC2 is in the rawhide repository. When >>> Thunderbird 3.1 is release, will it become part of Fedora 13 or will it >>> be held until Fedora 14? >>> >>> It appears that 3.1 is faster and more reliable than 3.0.4. >>> >> >> Unlikely. Newer versions of Mozilla apps typically require major new >> versions of XULRunner as well and since there are many apps using >> XUlRunner, Fedora typically does not update to a major version of >> Firefox or Thunderbird in a existing release. > > Even though it may not be planned as a provided rpm for f13 it is > actually pretty easy to install Thunderbird 3.1 of any version > yourself and run it. > > What you do is the following: > Make yourself a directory where you will hold the application - eg in > my case it is /opt/Local/vers/thunderbird/ but you can choose anywhere > you like. > Then download the tarball of the version you are interested in - for example: > http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/thunderbird/releases/3.1rc2/linux-i686/en-GB/thunderbird-3.1rc2.tar.bz2 > > As root cd to the storage directory you have chosen, and move the file > to the directory where you want to store it, and use the tar command > to uncompress the tarball. I forgot a couple of details here - use tar jxf thunderbird-3.1rc2.tar.bz2 in this case > > Then you will have a directory such as in my case: > /opt/Local/vers/thunderbird/ Slight correction: in my case: /opt/Local/vers/thunderbird/thunderbird > What I do is to rename that directory to one with the date appended so the directory name is /opt/Local/vers/thunderbird/thunderbird-3.1-100619 > Then I make a symlink to that calling it simply thunderbird by doing: > ln -s thunderbird-3.1-100619 thunderbird after first cd'ing to the directory /opt/Local/vers/thunderbird > > So now /opt/Local/vers/thunderbird/thunderbird is a link to the > directory containing the files for this new version of Thunderbird. > The reason for doing this is that you can download newer versions and > keep the original directory - so later you may then have > thunderbird-3.1-100630 for example and then remove the link and relink > to the newer directory - the rest will then work without the need to > do any other changes - and if the newer version has a problem then > merely removing the link and remaking it to the original directory > will then get you back to where you were. > > Then I create a standard script file that uses the application by > creating a file called thunderbird in /opt/Local/bin (but you could > put it anywhere you like) > That file contains: > #!/bin/sh > TDIR=/opt/Local/vers/thunderbird/thunderbird > export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$TDIR > exec $TDIR/thunderbird > > I make an icon on the desktop, of type application, that calls this > file as a command - i.e. the command is /opt/Local/bin/thunderbird > > Make sure that you keep a copy of the your Thunderbird profile in > .thunderbird in your user area in case there are problems going from a > very old version of thunderbird to the new one. > > Double click on the new icon and this new version of Thunderbird > should fire up and run. > > I have been using the latest nightly versions of thunderbird 3.1 for a > very long time and it works without any problems for me. > > I hope this helps. > > > -- > mike c > -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: fedora 13 so many bugs
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 9:18 PM, Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak wrote: > On 07/06/2010 04:08 PM, solarflow99 wrote: >> On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 12:47 PM, Stephen Gallagher >> wrote: >> some of the problems I had are known (repo problems, etc.) but at >> other times, anaconda would abort at different points during the >> install, i'm going to have to try with F-12 and see if its any better. > > Did you try installing from a live CD instead? Often that works better > than using a classic install CD. An awful lot of people have installed F13 perfectly successfully - which hardware and what method did you use to install? -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Fedora 13 boot.iso not working with "askmethod"
On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 4:04 PM, H. S. wrote: > On 07/11/2010 01:45 AM, H.S. wrote: > >> >> I have installed Fedora 13 now, the first login and updates are next. > > When I wrote that, I was not thinking properly. The beauty of net > install is that the packages are downloaded from the repository and the > most recent ones are installed. So after installation there are no > updates to do! > Very true - however if I want to install on several machines then this method is very download heavy since the rpms have to be downloaded for every one of the installs. Instead I used the mock/pungi toolchain to rebuild the DVD install iso - that way I have to download current rpms just once - and then then ise the DVD iso to install on all the machines, none of which then need to download updates (well apart from a few that have reached the mirrors between creating the rebuild and the install). YMMV -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Install Fedora 13 from Hard Drive
On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 8:03 PM, Henry Wyatt wrote: > Need link or instructions on how to install from HDD. > > Currently have F13 86x64 but want to install 32 bit instead > Copy the DVD iso onto a non-root partition on your machine, as an iso file. eg if you have a / and a /home partition then put the iso onto the /home partition. Or if you have a /opt partition that won't be altered during the install then you can put it in there instead. Then make a directory such as /mnt/tmp and then loop mount the iso onto that mount point by doing as root: # mount -o loop /path/to/Fedora-13-i386-DVD.iso/mnt/tmp Now copy the images directory from the /mnt/tmp area to the same directory that you stored your DVD iso on i.e. /path/to/ in the line above. Now as root still, copy the two key boot files from the iso into the /boot area: # cd /boot # cp /mnt/tmp/isolinux/vmlinuz f13.install # cp /mnt/tmp/isolinux/initrd.img f13.install.img Now you have these two files in /boot Now add a suitable grub stanza to your grub.conf by doing # cd /boot/grub # vim grub.conf Once in the editor add a set of lines after the last normal stanza in this file that boots Fedora, in the form: title Fedora 13 Install root (hd0,5) kernel /boot/f13.install initrd /boot/f13.install.img Make sure that the line with root (hd0,5) matches the line in the previous stanza in your grub/conf file so that it picks the correct partition to boot from. i.e. select the correct drive and partition. Making it the same as the values from another stanza that boots your normal previous Fedora should be fine. Exit vim using the "esc" button followed by ":" to get a command prompt and then "wq" to write the changed file to disk. Now check the partition and path to the Fedora install iso file that you have on disk and write it down. eg Let's say that you have /opt mounted on /dev/sda7 (check using "df -h") and the path was /opt/isos/Fedora-13-i386-DVD.iso You need to remember /dev/sda7 and the "relative" path will be /isos/Fedora-13-i386-DVD.iso Now all you need to do is to reboot the machine and interrupt grub so that you can select "Fedora 13 Install" to boot instead of the normal boot process. If all has gone well you should now start to boot the Fedora 13 installer - and be able to start off the install. If you select a hard drive install, then select /dev/sda7 (or whatever it is on your machine for the partition containing your iso) and your correct relative path, then the install should proceed as normal. Note that you will not be able to format the partition containing your iso during the install. Note that you should select custom partitioning and make sure that the root partition (/) is formatted during the install - and ensure that /opt and /home are not formatted but selected to be mounted after the install completes. If you use LVM then you will have to modify this approach accordingly. This approach allows a full normal install. It is the way I normally do my "upgrades" from one version of Fedora to the next. I hope this helps. -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
App Inventor for Android and Fedora (not) ! (partly off topic)
I was quite excited when I had an email from my brother pointing me to the new Android "App Inventor" that Google has released as a beta allowing easy development of apps for android phones - that is until I discovered that they appear only to have made provision for linux if .deb packages can be installed on your computer - I only run Fedora so it would seem that without rpm install of their programming environment Fedora users are closed out! Anyone else have any thoughts on this? Is there a way to get this stuff running in an up to date Fedora system? Not strictly a Fedora issue but if you are a Fedora user you may well be interested - hence posting this in the Fedora list. -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Install Fedora 13 from Hard Drive
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 9:24 AM, mike cloaked wrote: > On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 8:03 PM, Henry Wyatt wrote: >> Need link or instructions on how to install from HDD. >> >> Currently have F13 86x64 but want to install 32 bit instead >> > > Copy the DVD iso onto a non-root partition on your machine, as an iso > file. eg if you have a / and a /home partition then put the iso onto > the /home partition. Or if you have a /opt partition that won't be > altered during the install then you can put it in there instead. > > Then make a directory such as /mnt/tmp and then loop mount the iso > onto that mount point by doing as root: snip > This approach allows a full normal install. It is the way I normally > do my "upgrades" from one version of Fedora to the next. I perhaps ought to have mentioned that once the full normal install is complete then there is some configuring to be done. You have to set up any servers using the configs from your previous system - although the usual caveats of taking backups is vital I did not mention it in my earlier post, presuming that this was already standard information. So once the install is done the tasks necessary to get the system back to full order is as follows: Set up any bind mount links from the root partition to the /home partition - it is necessary to hand edit the /etc/passwd and corresponding shadow, group and gshadow files to add in any users other than the one created during the install (apart from root) Set up ntpd if used Set up dovecot server if used, plus dhcpd if used Set up any local definitions for bind, bind-chroot Set up any mail aliases and other mail settings Check networking configs All of the config files associated with the above should be in the backup files - in fact I often will make a backup of key system areas (such as /etc /var /boot/grub and so on) into an area like /opt/Local/backups before starting the new install and then all the configs are on the untouched partition and can be copied back or referred to in the new system to re-instate the original configs in the new system. Also necessary is to reinstate root .ssh configs if used, yum repos like rpmfusion or google repo etc., or any other yum altered files such as making the yum cache not delete rpms after updates Also worth running restorecon on user areas in case contexts have changed since the previous release. In addition any personal firewall needs to be re-instated or special settings. This list may sound like a lot but by keeping notes of which configs you have this process usually results in a total time from starting the install to a running and configured system in around 2.5 to 3 hours. I hope this helps -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: App Inventor for Android and Fedora (not) ! (partly off topic)
On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 6:15 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: > On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 17:59:31 +0100 > mike cloaked wrote: > >> Anyone else have any thoughts on this? Is there a way to get this >> stuff running in an up to date Fedora system? > > If you want to try, google for "alien" - it is a perl script for > converting between several different package formats. Thanks - looks like moving into "test pilot" territory! -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F13 on Samsung N220?
On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Dave Stevens wrote: > Quoting Kwan Lowe : > >> On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 11:04 PM, Dave Stevens wrote: >>> Does anyone have experience or a pointer to installing F13 on a >>> Samsung N220? Nice little computer, Atom cpu, 1 gig, 250 HD, realtek >>> wifi. >>> >> I installed CentOS on this netbook. I went to pendrivelinux, grabbed >> the iso to USB tool, then created a bootable thumbdrive with the >> CentOS boot iso. I then used the boot iso to install across the >> network. The Fedora approach should work similarly. > > > Excellent! Thank you very much. > > Dave I used an analogous technique on the NC10 when it first came out (with F11 if I remember right - and it worked fine. some differences were that I initially made a copy of partedmagic on a bootable usbkey and partitioned the drive using that before booting a usbkey set up for the Fedora install - with one additional difference - on booting the boot.iso from the usbkey I elected for a hard drive install and referred to a copy of the DVD iso that I had also added to the usbkey with the corresponding images directory also on the key. That way the install did not need the network. I am guessing that the method will be the same for the 220 and this seems to be born out by the previous post. -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: yum update failure
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 12:33 AM, Gregory P. Ennis wrote: > Dear List, > > I noticed a problem with an update of evolution on my laptop with > 2.6.33.4-95.fc13.i686.PAE. I thought the problem was with evolution > and made an entry on this list. Kevin Fenzi aptly pointed me in the > right direction. > > I have done the following : > > yum clean all > > rm /var/lib/rpm/__db.00* > > rpm --rebuilddb > > When I try to update an rpm yum is not pulling the recent rpm's from the > repository. > > Any ideas? Stale mirror perhaps? -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: New Update has no kmod for new kernel and new nvidia driver
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 3:42 AM, Michael Miles wrote: > On 07/13/2010 06:06 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote: >> --- On Tue, 7/13/10, Michael Miles wrote: >> >> >>> Fedora 12 x86_64 >>> >>> I did look this time and it seems the gods that have >>> control did not >>> give a kmod for the new Nvidia driver 195.36.31 for the new >>> kernel >>> 2.6.32.16-141. >>> It has a kmod there for the old kernel 2.6.32.14-127 >>> >>> The metapackage is there to track in new kmod but if there >>> is no kmod >>> there how can it track in? >>> >>> Anyway I hope nobody just pressed "update" without >>> checking >>> >> That's why I update manually. No auto-update for me. I don't even use the >> -y switch with yum, so I can still opt out of the update after I see the >> download list. >> >> As far as the new kmod, wait a few days, then check again. The longest I >> had to wait one time (with F9) was a week, but most times it was a day or >> two. However, I don't have to wait anymore: F12's nouveau works just fine >> with my old GeForce 6600 card. >> >> B >> > It just seems odd that this would be overlooked as to someone who is > newer to Linux than myself could find themselves in trouble if they just > updated because the system says there are updates. It is not "overlooked" by the Fedora package builders - remember that the Nvidia drivers are built by rpmfusion and not in the Fedora update system. So they are on a "third party" repo and the guys at rpmfusion will take some time to build the nvidia stuff for a new kernel once it is released. As a previous poster mentioned - just wait a few days and try again. In the meantime it is quite easy to boot back to the previous kernel where you had the nvidia stuff in place - then when the new kmod is available and installed then boot into the new kernel with the new kmod.. -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: New Update has no kmod for new kernel and new nvidia driver
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 12:14 PM, Steven P. Ulrick wrote: > On my system I use "akmods" & "akmods-nvidia" The way it works for me is that > if necessary "akmods" rebuilds the nVidia kernel module when I reboot into a > new > kernel. Some people have no luck with the "akmods" method. For me, it has > always worked perfectly. > > This is on Fedora 13. I used to use the akmod also - mostly it did work for me but there were some graphics cards for which it did not work and I ended up not using the akmod or kmod once the open source drivers started becoming generally reliable (apart from 3d). However the additional use of the mesa-dri-drivers-experimental package is giving some very good results for 3d. -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: yum update failure
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 3:40 PM, Gregory P. Ennis wrote: > Thanks for your suggestion!!! > > I thought perhaps it was a bad mirror as well. To test this I removed > the comment marker from baseurl and then commented out the mirrorlist. > After doing a yum clean all, this change did not result in a remedy. > > baseurl=http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/$releasever/Everything/$basearch/debug/ > #mirrorlist=https://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/metalink?repo=fedora-debug-$releasever&arch=$basearch > Hmm interesting url - with debug! Where did you put that line? Why not try baseurl=http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/releases/$releasever/Everything/$basearch/os/ That is in the fedora.repo file I presume? And I wonder what you did with the other lines in this file? You should have also in the fedora-updates.repo file: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/updates/$releasever/$basearch/ However in the original fedora.repo file there is a mirrorlist and not a specific mirror - like mirrorlist=https://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/metalink?repo=fedora-$releasever&arch=$basearch and in the fedora-updates.repo file: mirrorlist=https://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/metalink?repo=updates-released-f$releasever&arch=$basearch The debug stuff is further down those files - perhaps you should revert to a working set of repo files?? -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: log messages F13
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 9:10 PM, Andy Blanchard wrote: > On 14 July 2010 20:58, Frank Murphy wrote: >> My /var/log/messages >> >> seems to have started hording info. >> It is now 112mb in size. >> Covers 3-4 days of info. > > Unless this is a busy server, then that seems rather excessive to say > the least - mine is currently 14kB, but I redirect quite a bit of > stuff into other files. > > If I had to guess I'd say your log level details have been changed, or > something is suddenly generating a lot of syslog entries/content. The > former can be fixed by tweaking "/etc/rsyslog.conf", the latter by > inspecting the log file and seeing what is generating the bulk of the > content. If it's not immediately obvious what is broken*, posting a > sample the log file here would be a great help. I just checked my own after seeing this posting - and find that several of the recent messages files are large: -rw---. 1 root root 264K 2010-07-14 21:39 /var/log/messages -rw---. 1 root root 1.0M 2010-06-20 03:21 /var/log/messages-20100620 -rw---. 1 root root 963K 2010-06-27 03:24 /var/log/messages-20100627 -rw---. 1 root root 29K 2010-07-04 03:11 /var/log/messages-20100704 -rw---. 1 root root 42K 2010-07-11 03:07 /var/log/messages-20100711 When I looked at the latest I see an awful lot of lines like: Jul 14 21:33:19 home1 named[1181]: client 127.0.0.1#38568: RFC 1918 response from Internet for 1.122.168.192.in-addr.arpa Jul 14 21:34:21 home1 named[1181]: client 127.0.0.1#52277: RFC 1918 response from Internet for 1.122.168.192.in-addr.arpa Jul 14 21:35:23 home1 named[1181]: client 127.0.0.1#55235: RFC 1918 response from Internet for 1.122.168.192.in-addr.arpa Jul 14 21:36:25 home1 named[1181]: client 127.0.0.1#44936: RFC 1918 response from Internet for 1.122.168.192.in-addr.arpa Jul 14 21:37:27 home1 named[1181]: client 127.0.0.1#41560: RFC 1918 response from Internet for 1.122.168.192.in-addr.arpa Jul 14 21:38:29 home1 named[1181]: client 127.0.0.1#41524: RFC 1918 response from Internet for 1.122.168.192.in-addr.arpa Jul 14 21:39:31 home1 named[1181]: client 127.0.0.1#47147: RFC 1918 response from Internet for 1.122.168.192.in-addr.arpa Jul 14 21:40:33 home1 named[1181]: client 127.0.0.1#41686: RFC 1918 response from Internet for 1.122.168.192.in-addr.arpa Jul 14 21:41:35 home1 named[1181]: client 127.0.0.1#57307: RFC 1918 response from Internet for 1.122.168.192.in-addr.arpa Jul 14 21:42:37 home1 named[1181]: client 127.0.0.1#52350: RFC 1918 response from Internet for 1.122.168.192.in-addr.arpa Jul 14 21:43:39 home1 named[1181]: client 127.0.0.1#38143: RFC 1918 response from Internet for 1.122.168.192.in-addr.arpa I have not changed anything recently and this is in f12 - mine are only about 1MB in size but I wonder if there is anything with a common theme in the OP's messages file that has significant numbers of very similar lines? -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: log messages F13
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 4:50 AM, Tim wrote: > On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 21:46 +0100, mike cloaked wrote: >> I just checked my own after seeing this posting - and find that >> several of the recent messages files are large: >> -rw---. 1 root root 264K 2010-07-14 21:39 /var/log/messages >> -rw---. 1 root root 1.0M 2010-06-20 03:21 /var/log/messages-20100620 >> -rw---. 1 root root 963K 2010-06-27 03:24 /var/log/messages-20100627 >> -rw---. 1 root root 29K 2010-07-04 03:11 /var/log/messages-20100704 >> -rw---. 1 root root 42K 2010-07-11 03:07 /var/log/messages-20100711 >> >> When I looked at the latest I see an awful lot of lines like: >> Jul 14 21:33:19 home1 named[1181]: client 127.0.0.1#38568: RFC 1918 >> response from Internet for 1.122.168.192.in-addr.arpa > > This looks like a machine trying to resolve LAN addresses through an > outside name server. Turns out it is virbr0 ! Still trying to understand why though - I have no vm running... -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: os that rather uses the gpu?
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 5:27 AM, john wendel wrote: > Agreed that an OS kernel hasn't much use for a GPU. But it should be > easy to add a small general purpose CPU (ARM or Intel Atom) and a couple > of usb ports to the card and move X completely to the video card. Just > like a remote X server only in the same box. > > I really think the OP was referring to having user mode code take > advantage of the high processing power of modern GPUs. It works now, but > could be improved if the OS contained specialized scheduling support for > these kinds of jobs. I understand that the GPU has no page faults, and is missing many of what we regard as the essential functions of a normal processor? Also getting large amounts of data in or out of the GPU is slow - it is fast partly because there is a lot less overhead compared to a single processor and partly from the advantage of multiple cores. I was speaking to someone who has been working with GPU processing for several years and was skeptical about getting code to run reliably across different GPUs... and of course CUDA is vendor specific as fa as I know? So speed gain is dependent on the kind of processing needed but if anything goes wrong then it can easily crash the system. Anyone had any experience with using the GPU could perhaps comment? -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Touchpad tap to click in F13?
I have a question on making touchpad tap to click work before login. Certainly once logged in to Gnome you can easily switch on tap to click for synaptics touchpads by going into the preferences menus. I usually like to have tap to click working at the login greeter stage and I read that the way to do it was to paste into /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-synaptics.conf the lines: Section "InputClass" Identifier "touchpad catchall" MatchIsTouchpad "on" Option "TapButton1" "1" EndSection Does anyone know if this is the best way to achieve this, or is there a better way in F13? -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Touchpad tap to click in F13?
On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 8:18 PM, Kalpa Welivitigoda wrote: > On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 12:37 AM, mike cloaked wrote: >> I have a question on making touchpad tap to click work before login. >> >> Certainly once logged in to Gnome you can easily switch on tap to >> click for synaptics touchpads by going into the preferences menus. >> >> I usually like to have tap to click working at the login greeter stage >> and I read that the way to do it was to paste into >> /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-synaptics.conf >> the lines: >> Section "InputClass" >> Identifier "touchpad catchall" >> MatchIsTouchpad "on" >> Option "TapButton1" "1" >> EndSection >> >> Does anyone know if this is the best way to achieve this, or is there >> a better way in F13? >> > > Try this > http://kalpapathum.blogspot.com/2010/03/gdm-is-for-gnome-display-manager.html Thanks for the link - that is actually the way I used to do it in earlier versions of Fedora but I understood that HAL is slowly being obsoleted and that was why I was asking about any new method and perhaps udev is the way forward now rather than HAL? I guess HAL is not yet deprecated but will be soon so if there is a method that will remain suitable through the next few Fedora released then it would be useful to try it now? -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Touchpad tap to click in F13?
On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 2:14 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > I'd suggest taking a look at: > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Input_device_configuration > > So, yes, thats the way in F13+ > > kevin Thank you Kevin - I was unaware of that page - and very useful too -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Packages to be removed for Fedora 13
Fernando Henrique wrote: > > I use gnome-applet-netspeed > > If this package is no longer to be available in F13 is there an alternate package/widget/applet that can be used to monitor download speed? I have always found this really useful all the time -- View this message in context: http://n3.nabble.com/Packages-to-be-removed-for-Fedora-13-tp192315p192686.html Sent from the Fedora Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
F11 update issue
In today's updates there is a message during yum update for dnssec-conf: Cleanup: dnssec-conf-1.21-2.fc11.noarch 11/15 sed: can't read /etc/pki/dnssec-keys/named.dnssec.keys: No such file or directory Then when restarting the named service there is an error that is associated with this Is this just me or is it a bug? -- View this message in context: http://n3.nabble.com/F11-update-issue-tp196205p196205.html Sent from the Fedora Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F11 update issue
Andy Blanchard wrote: > > > Check to see whether the file exists and if so whether it is > accessible by the user or group "named" since your BIND will > presumably be dropping priviledges once loaded. If you are chrooted > as well, you may need to check both the chroot and non-chroot config > folder depending on when the file gets read. > > This may not be down to the DNSSEC update from this morning though. I > had a couple of problems and errors after the last update of BIND on > F11 a few days back. It looks like that update moved some files > around (localhost zones) and reset some file and directory > permissions. The zone file issue was partly my problem as I wasn't > using the default F11 BIND names for legacy reasons (now fixed). I > run "rndc stats" and parse some of the output into MRTG every five > minutes, this was failing as the process was chrooted and the "named" > user and group had had their rights to the statistics file revoked. > > Thank you Andy - this partly helps - I am running in a chroot and indeed the file named.dnssec.keys is in the /var/named/chroot/etc area and has lines which are not correct in the chroot, namely /etc/pki/dnssec-keys/production/bg.conf After editing the file to make the paths correct pointing to /var/named/chroot/etc/pki and so on I then see that there are lots of references to files in /etc/pki/dnssec-keys/production/reverse and when I checked this directory it is empty and was never populated by the updated files during the yum update! So I believe that the named update itself may be faulty with missing files, unless someone else can confirm that they do have the necessary files: include "/etc/pki/dnssec-keys/production/reverse/0.4.1.0.0.2.ip6.arpa.conf"; include "/etc/pki/dnssec-keys/production/reverse/0.a.2.ip6.arpa.conf"; include "/etc/pki/dnssec-keys/production/reverse/1.4.1.0.0.2.ip6.arpa.conf"; include "/etc/pki/dnssec-keys/production/reverse/109.in-addr.arpa.conf"; and many other similar lines in the directory /etc/pki/dnssec-keys/production/reverse/ ? Presumably the bind-chroot package ought to have also included files which have appropriate paths in the files referred to when running in the chroot? Despite this there appear to be missing files even outside the chroot, in real /etc/pki/dnssec-keys/ It would be nice to get this sorted out. I don't think there are permissions problems in my case though. -- View this message in context: http://n3.nabble.com/F11-update-issue-tp196205p196387.html Sent from the Fedora Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Oddity in bodhi?
There is something I don't understand about a particular package and its comments in bodhi. Not too long ago there was a 2.6.32 kernel package available for testing for f12. I tested it and commented on it in bodhi. Now it appears to have disappeared from bodhi altogether - I can't find it by searching, and the original url that went to the entry with comments no longer works - are there occasions when specific entries in bodhi are removed? If so why are they removed? Yet the rpms are still in updates-testing! I see that there are .32 kernel packages being built in koji - none has appeared as available in updates-testing - does anyone know what the current situation is with .32 kernels for f12 (and f11) ? -- View this message in context: http://n3.nabble.com/Oddity-in-bodhi-tp198945p198945.html Sent from the Fedora Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Oddity in bodhi?
Bruno Wolff III wrote: > > > They seem to work for me. I am using them on an i686 and an x86_64 machine > with > F12 on them. > > That is great that the .32 kernels out of koji work - (me too) but can you see anything about them on bodhi? -- View this message in context: http://n3.nabble.com/Oddity-in-bodhi-tp198945p198971.html Sent from the Fedora Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Oddity in bodhi?
Bruno Wolff III wrote: > > > When I search for kernel, I get 22 items return, none of which are 2.6.32 > kernels. > > Exactly! That was why I posted about it originally... -- View this message in context: http://n3.nabble.com/Oddity-in-bodhi-tp198945p199158.html Sent from the Fedora Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: [Fwd: Notice: dnssec-conf updates in Fedora 11 and 12]
Wolfgang S. Rupprecht-11 wrote: > > > It isn't that serious of a situation. One can just comment out the > offending line in /etc/named.conf and named will startup. The file > /var/log/messages will have the pathname of the include that is no > longer there and a quick scan of /etc/named.conf file show where it it > included from. It is pain in the neck, but not a fatal catch-22. > > One thing worth noting is that for some systems running f11 then, depending on the history of the operating system, there may be incorrect includes at the bottom of named.conf - occasionally there may be an additional (false) reference to include "/etc/pki/dnssec-keys/dlv/dlv.isc.org.conf"; If you find multiple lines around lines like that maybe one is incorrect and should not be there. I think you can take all the lines for the includes to /etc/named.dnssec.keys as well and then restart named. -- View this message in context: http://n3.nabble.com/Fwd-Notice-dnssec-conf-updates-in-Fedora-11-and-12-tp198226p204100.html Sent from the Fedora Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: stopping named just hangs.
On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 2:26 AM, Reg Clemens [via Fedora Users] wrote: > This is not a serious problem, but it is a pain in the neck. > Up until today I ran named in a chroot jail, and when I did a > > /etc/rc.d/init.d/named stop > > Or when I tried to reboot the system, things hung when we got > to the point of stopping named. > > I always assumed this had something to do with the chroot jail, > tho it wasnt clear why this should be a problem. > > Today, I reinstalled named, and am running it as a standard process, > no chroot jail. > > Same problem, trying to do You will likely need to provide some more information about your configs - like the contents of your named.conf file and perhaps /etc/sysconfig/named and perhaps this is related to the recent dnssec conf in which case your /etc/named.dnssec.keys or /etc/pki/dnssec-keys/named.dnssec.keys files - mostly named is working provided the config files are set up correctly. Provide more information and then people may be able to advise. -- mike -- View this message in context: http://n3.nabble.com/stopping-named-just-hangs-tp204412p204886.html Sent from the Fedora Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Latest google-chrome won't load
On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 8:40 PM, Mail Llists [via Fedora Users] wrote: > On 02/13/2010 01:03 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: >> (Note: chrome, not chromium). I just updated this morning and get this: >> >> >> >> i.e. lots of "not found"s which weren't there before. This is 32-bit >> Chrome on F12 64-bit and had been working up till now. Note that the > > For what its worth I'm using the 64bit version with no problem at all. Likewise I am using 32 bit with no problems - I set up the google repo and installed as google-chrome-beta from the repo and it set up an appropriate repo file to update itself when necessary - the OP did not say how he installed or updated, nor whether he is using a beta or devel version? -- mike -- View this message in context: http://n3.nabble.com/Latest-google-chrome-won-t-load-tp205514p205808.html Sent from the Fedora Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: weird F12 printing problem
Tim Waugh wrote: > > On Sat, 2010-02-13 at 22:49 -0500, fred smith wrote: >> going thru the configuration on the one that fails, when I enter the IP >> address and the queue name then click the verify button it immediately >> reports "this print share is accessible", yet after completing the >> configuration, printing a test page fails as described above. > > Use the printing troubleshooter: Help->Troubleshoot from the main window > of the Printing application. > > I don't know if this will help but sometimes I have found that a printer > seems to be shared according to the Fedora printer admin interface but > does not work - in this situation going to localhost:631 in a browser and > selecting that the printer concerned is "published" as a shared printer > usually sorts this out for me. > > > > -- > users mailing list > users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe or change subscription options: > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users > Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > > -- View this message in context: http://n3.nabble.com/weird-F12-printing-problem-tp206206p208799.html Sent from the Fedora Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: weird F12 printing problem
fred smith wrote: > > > It's NOT a shared printer. it is attached to the LAN with its own IP > address. > > I ran the troubleshooter and it did not turn up anything helpful. > > every computer in the house as well as a couple of laptops all print to it > as an IPP printer, successfully (from various versions of LInux and also > from Windoze XP). Only this one F12 installation has trouble using it as > an IPP printer. > > I seem to remember you said that on the F12 machine you want to print from the firewall was turned off and it still would not see the printer? Any selinux denial I wonder? -- View this message in context: http://n3.nabble.com/weird-F12-printing-problem-tp206206p209305.html Sent from the Fedora Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: weird F12 printing problem
fred smith wrote: > > > It's NOT a shared printer. it is attached to the LAN with its own IP > address. > > I ran the troubleshooter and it did not turn up anything helpful. > > every computer in the house as well as a couple of laptops all print to it > as an IPP printer, successfully (from various versions of LInux and also > from Windoze XP). Only this one F12 installation has trouble using it as > an IPP printer. > > Is all your other networking running ok in the F12 running in the VM - i.e. can you make other calls out from f12 to the outside world via the host's nic? I still presume that port 631 needs to be forwarded through to the f12 os running in the VM - maybe this is a problem with networking from the vm? Is the nic bridged or natted to the VM?? -- View this message in context: http://n3.nabble.com/weird-F12-printing-problem-tp206206p209320.html Sent from the Fedora Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: rsync, vs Partimage, vs other backup
On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 1:26 PM, Roberto Ragusa [via Fedora Users] wrote: > Robert Nichols wrote: >> rsync can be used to maintain a mirror of a file system as long as you >> aren't particular about preserving metadata such as access times and >> inode numbers. The drawback is that a mirror is for one point in time >> only. If you want multiple backup levels you have to have storage for >> several complete mirrors. > > Not if you use hard links, for example > rsync --link-dest > or one of the backup tools using this great rsync option. rdiff-backup? -- mike -- View this message in context: http://n3.nabble.com/rsync-vs-Partimage-vs-other-backup-tp414406p416780.html Sent from the Fedora Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
firefox flash plugin duplicates!
I discovered that when I used the firefox plugin checker at http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/plugincheck/ I noticed that despite having updated the flash-plugin via yum and that the rpm -q flash-plugin command showed I had the latest version, the web page showed that I did not have the latest version! Going to about:plugins showed that I now have both the current and up to date version as well as the previous out of date one! Within firefox I can go to Tools->Add-ons and then disable the older flash plugin. However this highlights a problem, in that merely installing the newest flash-plugin does not appear to give you protection if firefox thinks the old one is still current! The question then is how do you actually remove the old version? -- View this message in context: http://n3.nabble.com/firefox-flash-plugin-duplicates-tp419306p419306.html Sent from the Fedora Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: firefox flash plugin duplicates!
Actually I found the answer by fiddling around - after updating the flash-plugin it is important, if not vital, to then go to the firefox profile and delete the pluginreg.dat file with firefox closed down, and then next time you restart firefox the plugin data is correct and does show the up to date flash-plugin Shame that updating the flash-plugin does not update this automatically!! -- View this message in context: http://n3.nabble.com/firefox-flash-plugin-duplicates-tp419306p419314.html Sent from the Fedora Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: KMail / Akonadi mess
On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 5:01 AM, John Aldrich-2 [via Fedora Users] wrote: > Quoting Mail Lists <[hidden email]>: >> >> On the last remaining computer I am aware of/maintain with kmail >> still being used - akonadi was running, mysqld was running, and >> nepemonkey was running all with user privs - nothing I tried could >> resurrect kmail to a working state - I googled, read fedora threads etc. >> >> It was being used under gnome - if that matters. >> >> The only way I found was to killall kontact; thunderbird & >> >> As an aside, I found a long time ago that it was important to be mail >> client indifferent - they way I do that is to have a local imap server >> running and always use that for any local mail store instead of the mail >> clients native store - that way I only need to export/import the current >> contact list - and start a new client initiate 2 accounts, 1 to the ISP >> and one to the local imap server and we're 100% back in business. >> >> Hope you get your mail working again John ... >> > Well, I got it running, but then it came up this evening but wouldn't > respond. What I ended up doing was killing everything Akonadi related > (sudo pkill akonadi) and then restarting KMail. I got the dreaded > Nepomuk indexing agent error and re-ran the fix for that. It's highly > annoying. I'm going to hope the KDE developers get their sh!t together > and fix all the bugs in KMail soon! That's really all I can do! :-( I am afraid that I have lost patience with this. As far as my own view goes - mail is one of the few absolutely essential functions of any computer system/desktop/laptop/netboook, and any update that breaks a working mail setup is not excusable. Any update to email systems should be very carefully and thoroughly checked in testing before it goes live - period. I have abandoned kmail and it would take a lot to get me back to it now. I now use Thunderbird exclusively - maybe other people will stay with kmail if that has been their favourite client up till now and hope that the problems get solved. However I now do what Mail-Lists does and run a dovecot imap server on every machine - and run a filter to move all incoming mail from the external server (pop) to the local imap server - and that way if there is a problem with the email client then I can just switch to another client and still see all the same mail very simply indeed. Also some email clients have better specific features than others and in the even of a serious disaster such as appears to have happened with the akonadi/nepomuk/kmail fiasco then at least I can simply close down kmail and open up Thunderbird and I am back in business - who knows how many people may never return to kmail after their experiences this week? -- mike -- View this message in context: http://n3.nabble.com/KMail-Akonadi-mess-tp415121p419422.html Sent from the Fedora Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: firefox flash plugin duplicates!
tim-9-3 wrote: > > > Obvious question: Had you shutdown and restarted Firefox after updating > the plugin? > > Indeed I had - many many times! -- View this message in context: http://n3.nabble.com/firefox-flash-plugin-duplicates-tp419306p420255.html Sent from the Fedora Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: firefox flash plugin duplicates!
tim-9-3 wrote: > > On Sat, 2010-02-27 at 08:03 -0800, Mike Cloaked wrote: >> >> Actually I found the answer by fiddling around - after updating the >> flash-plugin it is important, if not vital, to then go to the firefox >> profile and delete the pluginreg.dat file with firefox closed down, >> and then next time you restart firefox the plugin data is correct and >> does show the up to date flash-plugin >> >> Shame that updating the flash-plugin does not update this >> automatically!! > > Obvious question: Had you shutdown and restarted Firefox after updating > the plugin? > > By the way if you update your flash-plugin via yum using the adobe repo it is easy to see if you have the same issue as I had by simply going to about:plugins and seeing whether you have more than one entry for the flash plugin? I would be interested to know if anyone else sees this, and whether or not this also happens if updating the flash plugin by other methods like manually updating by downloading the install file? In my case it happened on all machines - some running f11 and others f12 - but every machine where I install and update flash-plugin by setting the adobe-linux-i386.repo file to contain: [adobe-linux-i386] name=Adobe Systems Incorporated baseurl=http://linuxdownload.adobe.com/linux/i386/ enabled=1 gpgcheck=1 gpgkey=file:///etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-adobe-linux this always happens. This is installable from the rpm at http://linuxdownload.adobe.com/linux/i386/adobe-release-i386-1.0-1.noarch.rpm Anyway - anyone else see this issue? -- View this message in context: http://n3.nabble.com/firefox-flash-plugin-duplicates-tp419306p420264.html Sent from the Fedora Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: firefox flash plugin duplicates!
Mike Cloaked wrote: > > > By the way if you update your flash-plugin via yum using the adobe repo it > is easy to see if you have the same issue as I had by simply going to > about:plugins and seeing whether you have more than one entry for the > flash plugin? I would be interested to know if anyone else sees this, and > whether or not this also happens if updating the flash plugin by other > methods like manually updating by downloading the install file? > > In my case it happened on all machines - some running f11 and others f12 - > but every machine where I install and update flash-plugin by setting the > adobe-linux-i386.repo file to contain: > > [adobe-linux-i386] > name=Adobe Systems Incorporated > baseurl=http://linuxdownload.adobe.com/linux/i386/ > enabled=1 > gpgcheck=1 > gpgkey=file:///etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-adobe-linux > > this always happens. This is installable from the rpm at > http://linuxdownload.adobe.com/linux/i386/adobe-release-i386-1.0-1.noarch.rpm > > Anyway - anyone else see this issue? > The full instructions/recipe are at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Flash -- View this message in context: http://n3.nabble.com/firefox-flash-plugin-duplicates-tp419306p420266.html Sent from the Fedora Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: KMail / Akonadi mess
Dave Stevens-2 wrote: > > > I am absolutely on Mike's side on this one. I use Kmail exclusively > and only after extensive testing, it has the features I want and use > and has always been solid. But it HAS TO WORK. Full time, all the > time, I live by my mail. I have been able to use the workaround Anne > Wilson pointed me to but that is one session only, if I quit kmail and > start it again I'm back at square zero. I'm writing this using my > webmail client because my system will come to its knees if I fire up > kmail. Changing clients is a HUGE pain in the ass and there seem to > have been no subsequent updates that have any relevance. Extremely > disappointing and I still don't have access to my addressbook, even > after trying to follow up on tips presented in other threads. > > Dave > > In my case it was a clean f11 installed system that was fully updated. Only a month ago was kmail used for the first time in a new user area on that machine and no other user on the machine was using kmail, and the way it was initiated was that kmail was fired up and a new pop account to a remote mail server set up. Address book entries were imported from an ldif file from another system, and a few setting changes made, with some additional folders set for local storage. That was it. The system was working perfectly until the kde update to 4.4 and then a day later the mail went south big time. Others have commented that if kmail was running at the time of the update this may have mattered - if that is the case then the update was flawed in its design. The system should have continued to run and when kmail was restarted it should have "just worked" - it did not. It is possible that only one or two people had any problem at all with their updates and were running kmail during their update, and maybe the few who reported in this forum were the only ones that had any problems at all! (Tongue removed from cheek!) Anyway perhaps someone will find out what happened to the few is us "corner cases" id due course. -- View this message in context: http://n3.nabble.com/KMail-Akonadi-mess-tp415121p420876.html Sent from the Fedora Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Using f13 rpms in f12?
If one wanted to install a rawhide kernel in a running f12 machine I guess you could do something like yum --enablerepo development install kernel kernel-devel etc However there are now rpms in the development directories both for 13/ and for rawhide/ (and i386 and x86_64) - is there a way to install an f13 (specifically), as opposed to rawhide, package in a system running f12? Thanks -- View this message in context: http://n3.nabble.com/Using-f13-rpms-in-f12-tp422436p422436.html Sent from the Fedora Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Using f13 rpms in f12?
Bruno Wolff III wrote: > > > I think at this point in time, you would also be committed to pulling in > updates related to graphics driver support (mesa, xorg-x11, libdrm). > >> However there are now rpms in the development directories both for 13/ >> and >> for rawhide/ (and i386 and x86_64) - is there a way to install an f13 >> (specifically), as opposed to rawhide, package in a system running f12? > > There is a boot iso. I use yum to upgrade two systems just after the > branch. > The F13 release package should point to the F13 repositories. The F14 > release package should point to rawhide. > > OK a bit confused now - you mean that you "could" run f13 kernel in f12 provided you also installed the appropriate graphics packages? If so what would a suitable yum command be? I guess your second comment regarding boot.iso would be if you wanted to move a running f12 system onto rawhide or install rawhide from the boot.iso? Or did you mean if you installed fedora-release-13-0.6.noarch.rpm within a running f12 system then the repos would point to f13? On the other hand installing fedora-release-rawhide-13-0.6.noarch.rpm would then pull in rawhide packages? Just needed to be clear what the various options did. -- View this message in context: http://n3.nabble.com/Using-f13-rpms-in-f12-tp422436p422588.html Sent from the Fedora Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Using f13 rpms in f12?
M A Young wrote: > > > If you want to update everything to fedora 13 using yum (though of course > the recommended way is to boot off a f13 iso image) then it should be > enough to download and install (by hand) the fedora-release package from > the f13 tree, and then run yum. If you want to pick and choose packages, > you could probably create some fedora 13 repo files with a bit of > judicious copying and editing of the files in /etc/yum.repos.d > > Michael Young > > Quite an interesting and relevant discussion in devel at http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2010-February/131303.html Originally I was wondering if you could just update enough from devel repo to run the f13 or f14 kernels in an otherwise unaltered f12 - but maybe this is a bit tricky to get right? -- View this message in context: http://n3.nabble.com/Using-f13-rpms-in-f12-tp422436p422640.html Sent from the Fedora Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Using f13 rpms in f12?
M A Young wrote: > > > That is probably relative safe to do (provided you make sure you keep a > Fedora 12 kernel installed to go back to just in case) because kernels > have few dependencies. Possible difficulties include too-old kernel > install tools like dracut, and incompatible selinux or X versions. > > If all you want is 2.6.32 then you can get that from the updates-testing > repository of Fedora 12 anyway. (The plan seems to be for F12 to go to > 2.6.32 eventually, though presumably there have been technical and/or QA > issues stopping in happening so far). > > I have been running the .32 kernel from koji for a while without issue in my laptop - but I wondered if getting the .33 kernel (which has some important fixes over .32) might be possible without too much hassle but keep the rest of f12 going as it is in a stable manner. If what is needed is to update dracut, mesa, x11 and a few other things at the same time and it will still boot and run X (with gnome 2-d only) then that would be nice! -- View this message in context: http://n3.nabble.com/Using-f13-rpms-in-f12-tp422436p422806.html Sent from the Fedora Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Is KDE dead ? Was Re: Stable Release Updates
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 3:34 PM, Mail Lists wrote: > > I'm curious how many current KDE users we have - what percent of our > install base? And what percent of the desktop install base ? > Perhaps you can do a survey like the one Adam W did on devel recently and get a straw poll of a sample of Fedora users? Like you I was a long term KDE user until the switch to 4.0 - once I had swapped to Gnome I had little incentive to spend time to learn the new way with KDE 4 once it had stabilised (prioritisation of time issues!). However maybe now KDE 4.4.0 is a good desktop again so perhaps I should have a go and see how it ticks! > I actually like the current general pace - its stable but we get > decent flow (tho it has slowed somewhat over the 12-18 months or so it > seems) of upstream updates/bug fixes and largely when appropriate larger > version bumps. Tho things like firefox lag too much imho - but I no > longer care as I now use chrome which is way way better. I also like the general pace and most of the time the developers and maintainers give us a really (b)leeding edge Linux and most of the time I am happy to do the tweaks that are needed when things don't quite go according to plan to get back on track, and equally I try my best to participate by testing new stuff when I can, including testing packages from the build system before they get to testing repos since I am only too aware that overall the more testing packages get the more likely it will lead to a trouble free release to updates at the end of the process. > Congrats fedora management, redhat and contributors - and thank you. I will certainly second that - overall we should be very grateful to the many people to devote so much time to making Fedora what it is for the huge number of people who benefit by having a modern fast and leading distribution. Those thanks go just as much to developers, Fedora decision makers, the sig teams as well as the packagers and maintainers - and also to all of us who use the final product without whom the effort would have no purpose! Mike -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Mail clients - which way forward?
I wonder if anyone might offer advice about the way forward with mail client choice to satisfy a set of needs? I currently use Thunderbird as my mail client of choice for the following reasons: 1) It has both email support with a good address book facility, as well as caldav calendar support via the lightning extension. This will sync calendars with both google and yahoo calendars. 2) It has GPG encryption support via the enigmail extension 3) It is being developed at present, and I currently use Thunderbird 3.1b2 in Fedora even though the stock version is somewhat behind this nightly version. Even though the local storage is in mbox format which I dislike (I far prefer maildir), I don't need it since I run a local dovecot imap server on each machine and run filters to copy mail to the local imap store which then also has the advantage that mail is client agnostic. I don't need the GLODA or other fancy indexing systems, but the search bar within Thunderbird serves my needs perfectly well. Now there appears to be a forthcoming problem in that rumour has it that enigmail will stop being developed beyond Thunderbird 3.2 so if I continue to update the mail client then at some point I will lose the ability to use encrypted mail within the mail client - and that is important to me, SMIME is available but I will still need to decrypt previous mails and I really do prefer GPG to SMIME anyway. So the question is which other mail client has a good UI, will support encryption (GPG) within the client, and hopefully has local maildir format, calendar (caldav) support and good filter facilities as well as being able to cope well with multiple email accounts? This needs to be a client that looks like it will be supported as we move into the future of Fedora. Anyone able to offer considered advice? Thanks -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Mail clients - which way forward?
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 8:04 PM, David wrote: >> Anyone able to offer considered advice? > > > Where did you get this rumor about Enigmail? http://www.mail-archive.com/enigm...@mozdev.org/msg09789.html says: Officially, Patrick will not be supporting any Thunderbird Build beyond 3.1.x Lanikai; but, I am running Shredder 3.2a1 and have had no difficulty with the Lanikai Enigmail Nightly with this build. YMMV -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Mail clients - which way forward?
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: > On 03/13/2010 11:22 AM, mike cloaked wrote: >> Even though the local storage is in mbox format which I dislike (I far >> prefer maildir), I don't need it since I run a local dovecot imap >> server on each machine and run filters to copy mail to the local imap >> store which then also has the advantage that mail is client agnostic. >> > Thunderbird automatically supports mbox & maildir, providing > that dovecot & sendmail (or postfix) are properly configured > for maildir. I have exactly that and works great with Thunderbird. With respect Dan I was referring to "local" storage - which cannot be maildir in Thunderbird - yes it certainly supports connection to a server such as dovecot but if you copy mail from that server to local storage then it stores the mail locally as mbox format. -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Mail clients - which way forward?
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 8:24 PM, David wrote: > Thanks for the link. But it leaves the question... Enigmail has never, > to my knowledge, 'officially' supported alpha or beta builds of > Thunderbird. I have always had to use one of the 'nightly' builds with > them along with the Nightly Tester Tools extension. > > Which makes me wonder if this is just the same situation with different > version numbers. On the question of support for alpha or betas I think you are perfectly correct but the link I sent implies that further support will be withdrawn altogether which also implies that newer released versions of TB will also not be supported for enigmail (presumably unless another developer takes over the work on that project?) -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Is KDE dead ? Was Re: Stable Release Updates
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 5:32 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > FWIW, I am happily running the last kde-4 stuff you shipped to F10. Other > than I can crash kmail by standing on the + key for a while, it hasn't > dirtied its playground ever. However, one of the more recent updates managed > to kill OOo-3.2 and I had to remove it completely and re-install it to get > the office menu's back. Used to be that could be edited by mere mortals, but What is the view of current users of KDE 4.4.0 in F12? Is it now a really good desktop that has everything a user could wish for, easily customisable, and good support for plasma widgets, customised desktop icons to launch programs, and easy to navigate to what you want to run? -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Evolution and GPG signing?
I have a problem with Evolution email signing on send that I can't solve. GPG signature on receive seems fine from mail that I have sent from a Thunderbird client, and it has a GPG line with "Valid signature". For a long time now I have been using Thunderbird with the enigmail extension to send and receive signed and/or encrypted mail - perfectly successfully. I decided to give Evolution a try - mostly it works, including syncing caldav calendars nicely. I then set up GPG in the security section and selected my key ID. Then I sent a test mail that was GPG signed. In the Sent mail folder the outgoing mail in Evolution looks normal and within Evolution it says that the mail was signed just fine (i.e. Valid signature). However when this mail is received in Thunderbird the top strip on the mail (within Thunderbird) is pink instead of green, and the OpenPGP status says "Error - signature verification failed; click on 'Details' button for more information " - clicking on the details gives the Security Info as "OpenPGP Security Info Error - signature verification failed gpg command line and output: /usr/bin/gpg gpg: Signature made Sun 21 Mar 2010 11:40:25 AM GMT using RSA key ID XX gpg: BAD signature from "x (New rsa key) " Has anyone else come across this behaviour and if so do you know what it needed to make GPG signing behave normally? Thanks -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Evolution and GPG signing?
On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 4:34 PM, mike cloaked wrote: > I have a problem with Evolution email signing on send that I can't > solve. GPG signature on receive seems fine from mail that I have sent I should have also said that this is on a current and up to date F12 machine running evolution-2.28.3-1.fc12.i686 -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Evolution and GPG signing?
On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Michael Miles wrote: > This is how I solved my Evolution problem... Use Thunderbird > Well I do use Thunderbird - but it also has its own deficiencies - like it does not have the facility to make "local" storage use maildir format - only mbox. That is why I was exploring other mail cients. -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Evolution and GPG signing?
On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 5:47 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote: > I prefer claws-mail: would that work for you? > > Ranjan I understand that Claws mail will not send html mail - and I want to be able to do so - I know there are some users who will go into apoplexy at the mere mention of sending HTML mail but there are some mail (especially in the business world) that just has to be HTML to retain table formatting for example so any mail client that can't do it is sub-optimal. There should at least be a choice even if the default is not to use HTML mail - and yes I know that Claws has a plugin to "read" HTML mail. -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Evolution and GPG signing?
On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 6:31 PM, Michael Miles wrote: > On 03/21/2010 11:12 AM, mike cloaked wrote: >> On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Michael Miles wrote: >> >> >>> This is how I solved my Evolution problem... Use Thunderbird >>> >>> >> Well I do use Thunderbird - but it also has its own deficiencies - >> like it does not have the facility to make "local" storage use maildir >> format - only mbox. >> That is why I was exploring other mail cients. >> >> >> I myself have had too many problems with Evolution. > I could not even get an account set up. There are problems with > Thunderbird as well but between all the problems it is still the one for me. > Have you tried to disable Selinux then see if your problem fixes itself. > > Just a guess It is not likely to be selinux involved since I can send and receive signed mail on the same machine via Thunderbird perfectly well. -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Evolution and GPG signing?
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 2:05 PM, Daniel J Walsh wrote: > Be careful on suggesting people disable SELinux. Better to put the > machine into permissive mode if you suspect that SELinux is blocking the > access. Also much better to check the audit.log to see if SELinux is > complaining. This is not an selinux issue - the summary is as follows: Thunderbird sends signed mail to Thunderbird - all is fine Thunderbird sends signed mail to Evolution - all is fine Evolution sends signed mail to Evolution - all is fine Evolution sends signed mail to Thunderbird and Thunderbird complains about "signature verification failed" - so this is either a bug in Evo or in TB (I am using TB 3.1b2 but it is more than likely this will be the same in earlier versions - If anyone else uses signed mail and can confirm this behaviour it would be useful - I would report this against bugzilla but I need to know which component is the underlying problem. -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Evolution and GPG signing?
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 4:47 PM, Jerry Feldman wrote: > On 03/22/2010 01:20 PM, mike cloaked wrote: >> This is not an selinux issue - the summary is as follows: >> Thunderbird sends signed mail to Thunderbird - all is fine >> Thunderbird sends signed mail to Evolution - all is fine >> Evolution sends signed mail to Evolution - all is fine >> Evolution sends signed mail to Thunderbird and Thunderbird complains >> about "signature verification failed" - so this is either a bug in Evo >> or in TB (I am using TB 3.1b2 but it is more than likely this will be >> the same in earlier versions - >> >> If anyone else uses signed mail and can confirm this behaviour it >> would be useful - I would report this against bugzilla but I need to >> know which component is the underlying problem. >> >> > Check to make sure you are sending plain text. When sending plain text > Thunderbird and Evolution should have no problem, but if you send html > (eg. multipart/alternative) you are not going to get a good signature > verification. I would be glad to run a couple of tests with you. Also, > does it make a difference if you are sending inline or PGP/MIME. I was sending HTML - and I will try with plaintext after seeing your post - by the way this account I don't use in either TB or Evo but from a web browser and did try firegpg for a while - but it caused a load of problems in the browser so switched it off - I have multiple mail accounts for different purposes (work, family, friends, computer stuff etc) and I don't always want them opened in the same client. However I do note that TB sends HTML signed mail with no problems at all - it just seems that it is Evo that may be unhappy unless it is plaintext - why should there be a difference in signature verification if plain text or HTML? I will post back after a test mail -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Evolution and GPG signing?
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 8:44 PM, mike cloaked wrote: >>> If anyone else uses signed mail and can confirm this behaviour it >>> would be useful - I would report this against bugzilla but I need to >>> know which component is the underlying problem. >>> >>> >> Check to make sure you are sending plain text. When sending plain text >> Thunderbird and Evolution should have no problem, but if you send html >> (eg. multipart/alternative) you are not going to get a good signature >> verification. I would be glad to run a couple of tests with you. Also, >> does it make a difference if you are sending inline or PGP/MIME. > > I was sending HTML - and I will try with plaintext after seeing your > post - by the way this account I don't use in either TB or Evo but > from a web browser and did try firegpg for a while - but it caused a > load of problems in the browser so switched it off - I have multiple > mail accounts for different purposes (work, family, friends, computer > stuff etc) and I don't always want them opened in the same client. > > However I do note that TB sends HTML signed mail with no problems at > all - it just seems that it is Evo that may be unhappy unless it is > plaintext - why should there be a difference in signature verification > if plain text or HTML? > > I will post back after a test mail Yup you hit it in one! Sending a signed but plaintext email from Evo to TB gives a good signature verification in TB - HTML mail gives a problem! Yet I can send a signed HTML email from Evo to Evo and it verifies just fine - I find this weird! Where is the root cause of this? Is it something in the sending process in Evo, or in the receiving end at TB? By the way what I did for the test was to reply to an HTML mail and then in Evo compose window change from HTML to Plain Text - the only security option that I can see in the compose window is to select Security->PGP Sign - there was no attachment in this case and the quoted text was inline - if that is what you were asking? I would like to get to the bottom of this. -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Evolution and GPG signing?
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 8:55 PM, mike cloaked wrote: >>> does it make a difference if you are sending inline or PGP/MIME. >> Maybe that last point is the important one - in Thunderbird I have the option of sending PGP/mime - but I can't see how to do this in Evolution? Is there a switch I am missing because I did not look deep enough or is it that Evolution just can't do PGP/Mime?? -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Evolution and GPG signing?
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 9:05 PM, mike cloaked wrote: > On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 8:55 PM, mike cloaked wrote: > >>>> does it make a difference if you are sending inline or PGP/MIME. >>> > > Maybe that last point is the important one - in Thunderbird I have the > option of sending PGP/mime - but I can't see how to do this in > Evolution? Is there a switch I am missing because I did not look deep > enough or is it that Evolution just can't do PGP/Mime?? I found a post at http://www.secure-my-email.com/clients_evolution.php which says: "One thing I encoutered here is that Evolution (at least my version, version 2.2.3) require the encrypted data to be RFC 1847 Encapsulated. It does not support the other method of both digitally signing and encrypting as defined in RFC 3156. (RFC 1847 encapsulation is described in chapter 6.1, the combined method is described in chapter 6.2 for those interested). My primary mail client, Mozilla Thunderbird, with Enigmail as an extension to handle the security use the combined method by default when sending a message using PGP/MIME. It will be able to properly verify both methods." I wonder if this is at the core of this issue? I also saw a very old post at http://www.mozdev.org/pipermail/enigmail/2003-November/000661.html "> I am having trouble receiving signed+encrypted email from a > person using Evolution, which supports only PGP/MIME. I read through RFC > 3156, and, according to section 6, there are two ways to send > signed+encrypted email. One (6.1) is to create a signature mime body > from the text, encrypt the whole, and create an encrypted mime body from > the result. This is what Evolution does. The other (6.2) is to > encrypt+sign the text in one go, which is what Enigmail does. The > problem is that Enigmail does not properly decode email sent in the > format described in 6.1. It decrypts the message and displays the text, > but does not verify the signature." This seems to point to Thunderbird as being the problem in that maybe a very old unresolved bug/feature is preventing correct signature verification? I would appreciate further input on this. -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Evolution and GPG signing?
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 9:36 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: >> Maybe that last point is the important one - in Thunderbird I have the >> option of sending PGP/mime - but I can't see how to do this in >> Evolution? Is there a switch I am missing because I did not look deep >> enough or is it that Evolution just can't do PGP/Mime?? > > At the moment you can't. There's been a lot of resistance to it as it's > non-standard, but apparently some work is being done on it, see > http://www.go-evolution.org/FAQ#Why_does_Evolution_attach_a_.asc-file_to_my_GPG_signed_emails.3F Thank you, that is useful - though I am now more confused - I have TB set to use PGP/Mime and sign email - and it is received by either TB or Evo and verifies just fine - but from the quote it says that (concerning Evolution): "When you sign emails, the GPG signature is embedded in a .asc file, this is called Outline PGP (or PGP/MIME). It is not embedded in the header/footer of the email because Inline PGP is currently not supported by Evolution" - I thought this (PGP/Mime) was the same as what I am using for Thunderbird? If so why does Thunderbird then not verify? Or have I got the wrong end of the stick? -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Evolution and GPG signing?
On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 11:20 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > I just sent myself a plain text signed message from Evo and verified the > signature using TBird. Looking at the raw file, it does indeed have > a .asc attachment containing the signature, as per spec. I haven't tried > it in HTML as I never use it. > > Going back to the error message in your original post, it complains > about: > > gpg: BAD signature from "x (New rsa key) > " > > That looks to me like a problem with the signature itself rather than > the message (though I wouldn't swear to it). Are you sure that your > configurations of Evo and TB are using the same signature? Well - the way I am testing is that I have TB set up on this machine for my personal mail and the .gnupg dir holds the GPG files. I also have Evolution running on this same physical machine within my own user area. The EVo account is set up to hook up to my work imap email account. Hence if I use TB to send from personal mail account to work and receive the mail on Evo, or if I send from my work account using Evo to my personal account seen in TB then both mail clients are operating using the same set of files in .gnupg. Therefore if I use a signed email then both are taking the keys from the same area! Hence if it works sending from TB to myself on TB, or from TB to Evo, and the signature verifies fine, but sending from Evo to TB where the signature does not verify this indicates that one or other email client is not handling the signing or verification properly, surely! I do now know that if sending a plaintext mail from Evo to TB then the signature verifies just fine, but changing to sending HTML but otherwise leaving everything else the same then TB says it is a BAD signature. The question I do not know is whether the signature verification in TB has a bug, or whether Evo does not form the PGP/Mime mail correctly when sending HTML? Either way there is nothing wrong with my GPG keys since every other test I do on them works fine. -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Evolution and GPG signing?
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Wed, 2010-03-24 at 08:12 +0000, mike cloaked wrote: >> I do now know that if sending a plaintext mail from Evo to TB then the >> signature verifies just fine, but changing to sending HTML but >> otherwise leaving everything else the same then TB says it is a BAD >> signature. The question I do not know is whether the signature >> verification in TB has a bug, or whether Evo does not form the >> PGP/Mime mail correctly when sending HTML? > > Can TB verify Evo's signed message in your Sent folder? Can gpg verify > it, independantly of TB? > > If they can, but won't verify the received message, then possibly > somewhere along the line the HTML is being reflowed or in some way > modified, which would destroy the signature. I can't really see how that > could happen, but just to eliminate it as a possibility, try saving both > the sent mail and the received mail to files and do a simple diff on > them. I will try and test as you suggest this evening when I have finished with $DAYJOB for today -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Evolution and GPG signing?
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 4:36 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Thu, 2010-03-25 at 01:54 +1030, Tim wrote: >> On Wed, 2010-03-24 at 08:27 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: >> > possibly somewhere along the line the HTML is being reflowed or in >> > some way modified, which would destroy the signature. I can't really >> > see how that could happen >> >> We've seen plenty of plain text message parts being transcoded in >> transit by some allegedly "helpful" mail server (turning quoted >> printable into 8-bit, etc.). I wouldn't be the slightest bit surprised >> at a mail server doing the same sort of thing to text/html content. > > Quite, but the OP says it all works properly if he sticks to TB. Even > allowing for the difference between inline PGP and PGP/MIME, it would > seem particularly perverse of the intermediate server to mess with one > and not the other. But I guess stranger things have happened ... Well guys, the mystery has resolved itself with the only action by me being an update at the TB end - before doing the tests that were suggested I updated my version of TB - to Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.2pre) Gecko/20100323 Lightning/1.0b2pre Lanikai/3.1b2pre - whereas I had been running earlier versions of TB 3.1b2pre for quite some time and indeed prior to that 3.1a - until today I was using a version from a few days ago and the problem was still present until that version. At the same time I updated the enigmail and lightning extensions to the most recent. However with the new version I can now send from Evolution and I get correct signature verification for HTML mail, both with a straight simple sent message, and also if replying leaving the quoted text from the original. So now I get full and correct signature verification both ways. So the bug was within Thunderbird - I don't know how long this bug has been there but I seem to remember an issue with this going quite some time back - so whether it is in the handling of received mail by Thunderbird itself or whether the enigmail extension was the problem I don't know - but I do know that this is now working! So maybe the TB/enigmail developers were monitoring this thread! ( I presume that normal updates to F12 this morning would not have made any significant changes that would have any impact on this issue) Either way I am very pleased this is resolved in the new version -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Evolution and GPG signing?
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 6:39 PM, mike cloaked wrote: > Well guys, the mystery has resolved itself with the only action by me > being an update at the TB end - before doing the tests that were > suggested I updated my version of TB - to Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux > i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.2pre) Gecko/20100323 Lightning/1.0b2pre > Lanikai/3.1b2pre - whereas I had been running earlier versions of TB However - one fly remains in the ointment! If wholly within TB you have a mail on the screen and select Message->Forward as-> attachment and then send it, signed, to yourself and receive it back in TB then what I found is that I get the same bad signature problem - so this is a purely Thunderbird issue that I believe has been a bug for a long time - this is an easy test anyone can verify - using HTML mail. Forwarding inline works fine though. I have not tried this last test with plaintext mail forwarded as attachment - but this is clearly another bug that ought to be resolved by TB developers. -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Evolution and GPG signing?
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 11:17 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Wed, 2010-03-24 at 18:39 +0000, mike cloaked wrote: >> Well guys, the mystery has resolved itself with the only action by me >> being an update at the TB end > > Ahh, the old "not using the latest version" trick. > > poc Yeah, well I am using somewhat newer than current released version anyway! - the released version (current) has known problems and I have been using the 3.1b nightlies for quite some time - I am fairly sure that the released version will suffer from the same problems that I have been seeing, but maybe someone could test (?) - so now with the latest non-released 3.1 things have improved - but there is still the problem when forwarding as attachment - and it would be nice to know if this is seen in the current release as well as in the cutting edge? It is not too long before 3.1 gets released so I guess it is on the final phase of cleaning up code before it goes out the door. Of course there is also 3.2a but that is beyond cutting edge and into the bleeding edge regime! Mike -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: [Solved... but I still wonder what happened] DVD doesn't play
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 5:39 AM, Marcel Rieux wrote: > Since nobody seemed to report a problem playing DVDs, I decided to check my > settings. > > Smplayer and Gmplayer were both set to play DVDs from /dev/dvd > > I checked and there was no /dev/dvd. So, I did: > > ls -l /dev/dvd* > lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root 3 2010-03-24 12:52 /dev/dvd1 -> sr0 > lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root 3 2010-03-24 12:52 /dev/dvdrw1 -> sr0 > I have changed nothing and my output is [m...@home1 ~]$ ls -l /dev/dvd* lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root 3 2010-03-19 19:05 /dev/dvd -> sr0 lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root 3 2010-03-19 19:05 /dev/dvdrw -> sr0 So maybe yours is a special case? -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Evolution and GPG signing?
On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Thu, 2010-03-25 at 16:25 +1030, Tim wrote: >> On Wed, 2010-03-24 at 18:47 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: >> > Ahh, the old "not using the latest version" trick. >> >> Is that said with a Maxwell Smart or Inspector Clouseau voice? ;-) > > Would you believe Grytpype-Thynne? How about Neddy Seagoon? :-) Ahh - Neddy - in a high voice - now that gives some ages away! But did you try the "forwarding test"!? (Or as Clouseau would say, "Vee need eveedense zat ze securitay must fully be proof of ze bahm", walking into the door as he leaves the room elegantly!) -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: How to remove linux partition
On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 4:27 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 03/27/2010 11:58 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: >> On Sat, 2010-03-27 at 18:38 +0300, Hiisi wrote: >> >>> 2010/3/27 Sam Sharpe : >>> On 27 March 2010 14:17, RAMAKISHOREBABU KOPPULA wrote: > I have installed Windows XP in one partition and then I have installed > Fedora11 in another partition. Now I need to remove Linux partition and > add > that disk space to windows partition. How to do this? snip > It would be my suggestion to get a copy of "Partition Magic". Its a > good Windows utility that can be had for a "good price" if you know > where to look. Actually Partition Magic is commercial and proprietary - however a good option for messing with partitions is to google for "PartedMagic" or go direct to http://partedmagic.com/ Parted Magic is linux and free to obtain and use. It will deal with most partition types including ntfs and will shrink or add or change them as you need to. Almost all the messing that I do with partitions ahead of installing Fedora on a Windows box is done with this excellent distro. Download the iso and burn to CD or use the usb iso and follow the instructions to put it on a usbkey (if the machine in question can boot to usb) - Then once it loads it stays in memory and has a number of useful facilities including a partition editor that has a nice graphic display (actually it is parted but on the disk are also fdisk and cfdisk etc as alternative partition editors). It is pretty intuitive to use. -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Looking for a monitor driver
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Margaret Doll wrote: > We are trying to attach a Dell E2210H monitor to a Dell X260 Optiplex > which is running 2.6.10-1.771_FC2. > > I have found the drivers for Windows but not for Fedora. Where can I > access monitor drivers for Fedora? With respect FC2 is very old indeed and you would be better off installing an up to date version of Fedora which will likely have a much better chance of driving your monitor - the current drivers will be much more likely to work with your monitor directly from a more recent install of Fedora. Any reason you can't install F12? -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: chromium install problem
On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 1:48 AM, Mail Lists wrote: > On 03/30/2010 02:15 PM, Jim wrote: >> Trying to install the latest >> chromium-5.0.360.0-0.1.20100322svn42211.fc12.x86_64.rpm I'm getting a >> dependency requirement of about 60 Lib files that needs to also be >> installed. >> >> Is there a easier way of installing these lib files than one at a time. > > > I'd suggest using google-chrome instead ... I second that - chromium has some rather difficult java problems as far as I remember - google-chrome-beta (installed easiest via google repo setup) works well enough most of the time to be a mainstream browser now. -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Fedora and long threads - positive rather than negative!
Occasionally there are long threads in the Fedora forums which start with flame baiting by one or other poster and quite often run for ages without reaching a sensible conclusion but generate bad feeling and not much else. As a long standing fedora user and tester (since FC1) I have to say that I have had the pleasure of being able to run an operating system at no cost on not only my own machines, but also those of relatives, and at work, which in general run both more securely as well as more efficiently than the alternative (at cost) operating systems. Sure there have been occasions when one or other package has failed to work as expected, and on occasion one or other machine has had some serious problems with graphics, but overall machines have run without issue over generations of Fedora releases, and other colleagues and friends who are hooked on proprietary OSes have expressed their admiration for how much more efficient workflow seems possible on my machines than their own. What kind of response do you get when running XP if you come across a problem - where do you go to get a bug fixed within a matter of days or perhaps even a few weeks when running XP or Vista? Is it even possible to get fast turn around and a response direct from a developer or packager (if the latter exists for those OSes)? Here we have forums where problems can be openly discussed and more often than not are fixed within a reasonable time frame (and with the vast army of people using Fedora in many and novel ways there will certainly be bugs found!). We have Bugzilla where responses are (mostly) open and interactive - sure some bugs are harder to fix than others - but in general the system does work - and we have many hundreds of excellent packages available to install almost instantaneously - no need to go and get a CD every time a new printer is added to the system (mostly!) - no need to run CD when you buy a new camera to install specialist picture processing software - no need to run a CD to install graphics drivers - they are all just part of the system. Yes we do need to spend a little time looking up what to do with a new package, or to work around some problem or other - and occasionally quite a bit of time - but the hints and tips are public and shared around everyone. I recently installed F13 on an old laptop - and updated it this afternoon - in general it works very well indeed and we are still only just at the freeze stage with some bugs to be worked through before release -but hey, it works, and I could probably almost use it for production already even though it is in a pre-release phase. Could this be said of proprietary OSes at a similar stage of development? I think all of us who use Fedora need to be aware of the fantastic service that so many people provide, often voluntarily, to package code, and develop code, and then fix code that we all download at no cost but our time. I for one am extremely grateful for the existence of Fedora and despite past issues with KDE major changes, Intel and Nvidia and ATI graphics support, major upgrades to Gnome and Openoffice, as well as to other packages, I am very pleased to have the privilege of running Fedora on all of my machines. Yes I still have a need for a few of them to dual boot XP - For example I can only update my satnav/GPS unit via proprietary packages in Windows, and often syncing/backup of mobile phone data (cellphones) can only be done in Windows - but progress is being made. I recently received a .docx encrypted file that could not be opened under Fedora - but even that problem will be resolved with F13 as Openoffice 3.2 supports encrypted .docx files. I hope that the long whingeing threads do not make those who contribute so positively to the Fedora project feel negative - but remember the silent majority who are very happy with its progress. So all in all I am happy to thank all the fine people who make Fedora what it is - and hopefully it will continue to be both cutting edge and highly usable through F14 and beyond. Happy Easter -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Chrome
On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 10:20 PM, Michael Miles wrote: > Well, I could never play youtube or fox news videos with firefox and > shockwave. > So I installed Chrome and youtube yes fox news no > > I disabled wrapper and still no go > > Any thoughts I don't know what/how you have installed but I run chrome (not chromium) and foxnews video works fine! Flash works out of the box with it (yes I know chrome is proprietary), and I had to install java the correct way, but it just works now. Install was via yum after setting up the google repo and then yum install google-chrome-beta The method to get java working was essentially: Download the jre from http://java.com/en/download/linux_manual.jsp?locale=en&host=java.com:80 Choose 32 or 64 bit version as appropriate Execute the java install bin file within the directory where you want to store the java stuff Make any links necessary: Now check for the location of jre1.6.0_17/lib/i386/libnpjp2.so Now mkdir /opt/google/chrome/plugins cd /opt/google/chrome/plugins ln -s /path/to/jre1.6.0_17/lib/i386/libnpjp2.so . On 64 bit may need to reference lib64 in the jre instead of lib Restart Chrome and check that java works. This works for me. The only other additions in chrome I use is to have Adblock and the RSS extension - and with this setup Foxnews video plays fine in F12. Hope this helps - it would be really nice if chromium could be made to work properly with flash and java but I never got it to do so. If anyone has a "recipe" for installing it and getting it to work with both flash and java then I would be happy to switch from chrome to chromium. -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Scanning broken in Fedora ?
On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 3:04 PM, Jim wrote: > On 04/14/2010 01:46 AM, Hiisi wrote: >> On 04/12/2010 11:16 PM, Valent Turkovic wrote: >> >>> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=556218 >>> >>> Is scanning working for you? Looks like it's broken. Any news of a fix >>> anytime soon? snip > Most all of the Printers and Scanners out on the retail market are > unsupported in Linux. I had to battle with the Samsung SCX-4500W also but did get it working nicely in F10 then F11 and now F12 - my notes are at: http://userbase.kde.org/Troubleshooting/Samsung_scx-4500W -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: SSH tunnel for ssh traffic
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 7:24 AM, Matt Domsch wrote: > On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 04:12:20PM +0200, Christoph H?ger wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I need to ssh to some remote VM that sit in a private LAN. For any other >> service (e.g. RDP) I'd use ssh tunneling just normal. >> But what do I do for ssh traffic? Since ssh is not host agnostic, it >> will always complain about localhost having a different RSA key. >> I just do not want to edit the known_hosts every time I need to connecto >> to a new machine! >> >> Is there some way to tell ssh to use a tunnel directly for a >> connection? > > you want to use ProxyCommand lines in .ssh/config, rather than local > redirects. > > > > Host deeper-inside > HostName 192.168.1.2 > ProxyCommand ssh inside nc %h %p > > Host inside > HostName 192.168.0.2 > ProxyCommand ssh outside nc %h %p > > > where outside is the public host name/IP, inside is one level inside > your private network, directly reachable by host outside, and > deeper-inside is 2 levels deep, directly reachable by host inside. > > > $ ssh deeper-inside > One thing that is worth bearing in mind that has caught me out before is to be aware that you can have everything set up perfectly but the connections can simply not work! The reason "could" be that on one of the machines there is a firewall port forwarding restriction - for example when I connect to work I have to make an initial connection to a specific "ssh" gateway to get through the company firewall, that has been set up so that forwarding can only be done to port 22 and 80 on machine inside the firewall - all other port forwards are not allowed - this made for some interesting time wastage until I realised that in this case any fancy port forwarding was doomed to failure may not be the case for your systems but in my case it meant having to rework the way I wanted to make connections. Just another factor that you may not think about when doing sophisticated networking! -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Packagekit bug icon not disappearing in F11!
I have machines running both F11 and F12 - in F12 if there are updates available then the PackageKit icon pops onto the (gnome) taskbar, and if I then use yum on the CLI to update the system the icon on the taskbar goes away once the updates are complete. Presumably if I allowed PackageKit to run the updates then the same would happen. (Often I update from another machine via ssh which is why yum is my preferred update method) On the other hand on my F11 machine when the updates notification pops up, if I use yum to update the system then the icon remains and does not magically disappear from the taskbar until I log out and back in again - this is with the gnome desktop. Am I alone or do other users see this also? It is not a major problem but is a slight irritation! -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Packagekit bug icon not disappearing in F11!
On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 1:29 PM, Kelly Dunlop wrote: > I'm running F11 and Gnome and sometimes I use yum or if I'm feeling lazy I > just click on the PackageKit icon and let it do the updates. Either way > the icon goes away afterwards. Sometimes it may take a few minutes because > PackageKit obviously has to do the equivalent of a yum check-update to see > what you've updated. I know this because if do a yum from the command line > and only update some of the packages and then try immediately to do another > yum update there is a lock in place. > > I think I'd be irritated if it didn't go away because it should allow you > to use yum in preference to the GUI. Well interestingly I set the preferences to never check for updates or major upgrades and to never install and yet it still does pop up so it must still actually check for updates - I know that I could uninstall gnome packagekit altogether but it is a bit disconcerting that it appears to still check for updates when you asked it not to! -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Packagekit bug icon not disappearing in F11!
On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 2:11 PM, Kelly Dunlop wrote: >> >> Well interestingly I set the preferences to never check for updates or >> major upgrades and to never install and yet it still does pop up so it >> must still actually check for updates - I know that I could uninstall >> gnome packagekit altogether but it is a bit disconcerting that it >> appears to still check for updates when you asked it not to! > > To be honest I probably did the same thing because I'd rather update things > when I want to but I'm not actually by the machine at the moment - it's at > home. > I'll try and see what I have it set to tonight and let you know. > > Kelly OK - interestingly I decided to change the settings so that the update check was hourly - then at the next check the icon DID disappear as expected - but if it is set to never check for updates then it still seems to check and then never get rid of the icon after the yum update which I suspect is a bug in the F11 version! -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: [OT] Deafening silence
On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 8:22 PM, Wayne Feick wrote: > I've finally given up on Evolution and moved back to Thunderbird. > > I really wanted Evolution to be a good mail and calendar client, but for > the last 5 years or so it's always been *almost* there. It was > calendaring and Palm sync that kept me on it for a long time, and the > promise that proper Exchange connectivity was coming. > > Using an LDAP server consistently causes lockups. The whole UI freezes > up for extended periods of time. God knows what they're doing, but > apparently they never learned to separate blocking operations like > network communication from the UI thread. It often ends up occupying > 2.5G of resident memory which I can only assume is a memory leak since > it grows over time. > > I've reported bugs over the years, and they seem to fall on deaf ears. > When they do manage to fix something, invariably something else breaks. > > Now that I've moved to a Droid, I've switched over to Google's calendar > and I'm not looking back. Just to chime in here - I had abandoned Evo too some years ago but I was recently trying various mail clients again to see how things have changed. I set up Evo in F12 to deal with my work mail (Imap) and although not particularly fast when first starting Evo it works ok - other things that are positive too are that it handles encrypted mail correctly (with GPG) without needing an extension like Thunderbird does. It also connects to gmail calendars with the caldav protocol just fine which is another feature I really wanted. I am using Thunderbird 3.1b2 nightly and there are issues with the enigmail extension but it also does have lightning to handle calendars, using caldav. It also handles html mail and although some people are very much against the use of html in email it does have its uses particularly in business areas. Fedora runs releases that are somewhat behind the nightlies but I do use Thunderbird - I guess there is no ideal mail client! -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: OOo 3.2 for F12?
On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 2:47 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Thu, 2010-04-29 at 08:24 -0400, Kirk Lowery wrote: >> After googling around, it seems that OpenOffice 3.2 won't be >> officially packaged for Fedora 12. I really would like to upgrade to >> it because 3.2 now handles OpenType fonts. >> >> Can anyone confirm that 3.2 definitely won't be packaged for F12? In >> that case, what would be the best alternative? Are there reliable >> third-party rpms? Or install from the tarball? > > Unless your need is very urgent, the easiest would be to wait a few > weeks and upgrade to F13. Or even do it now if you feel brave :-) 3.2 has support for encrypted docx files which 3.1 does not - so I will likely need to upgrade to F13 to achieve this - hopefully F13 will be a good release! -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
usb3?
There are now devices becoming available for usb3 - eg http://www.patriotmemory.com/products/detailp.jsp?prodline=6&catid=74&prodgroupid=172&id=942&type=23 Would such a device work with Fedora F12 ( or F13)? If so, are there any usb devices available that would be able to take advantage of the enormous transfer rates available? -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: /etc/sysconfig/desktop
On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 3:02 PM, solarflow99 wrote: > Does anyone know why the directives in /etc/sysconfig/desktop don't work in > F-15 anymore? > > DISPLAYMANAGER=/usr/bin/slim-dynwm > PREFERRED=/usr/bin/startlxde > > This is how it was explained in the wiki: http://wiki.lxde.org/en/Fedora Did you check that /usr/bin/slim-dynwm is in your system? -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: /etc/sysconfig/desktop
On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 6:10 PM, solarflow99 wrote: > its definitely installed, I wouldn't have forgot that. > OK - I guess you already tried to check if you could login using DISPLAYMANAGER=/usr/sbin/lxdm instead - and get a working desktop. The other directive was for new users to get lxde aas the preferred DE - were you already using lxde with a different display manager? i.e. if you had gdm and just selected lxde could you then login? I am only just starting to play around with different DE than gnome in f15, but so far have only switched to KDE - I may try your route tomorrow - and check lxde at that time so I would be interested in the solution to this issue too. -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: F15 live won't boot?
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 11:38 PM, Alan Evans wrote: > On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote: >>> I just downloaded (by bittorrent) the F15 x86_64 Live CD image, and >>> made a Live USB stick with LiveUSB Creator. >> >> I found on one occasion that the Fedora LiveUSB Creator failed, >> but livecd-iso-to-disk (in the livecd-tools package) worked for me. > > I haven't used livecd-iso-to-disk in a long time. However, it refuses > to even try: > > The media check is complete, the result is: PASS. > It is OK to use this media. > USB filesystem must be vfat or ext[23] > Cleaning up to exit... > Did you umount the flash drive before running livecd-iso-to-disk? If not then it won't work! if your flash drive is /dev/sdb1 then you need to umount /dev/sdb1 as root before using livecd-iso-to-disk to write to that partition. -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Adieu, Fedora
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 5:38 AM, Marcus D. Leech wrote: > Yup, "man" pages aren't very friendly for newbs. But they aren't really > intended for that audience. > They're intended as handy reference documents, rather than tutorials. > Some of them are better > written than others. Unfortunately, not all software developers are > also skilled technical writers. > Sad fact. In a well-funded corporate effort, there'd be tech writers > working alongside the developers. > The fact is that more competent software developers are "drawn" to the > open-source world than > tech writers. A lot of information on how to do things in linux actually comes from lists exactly like this one! There is a need for some simple startup tips for the new user, and to a large extent a new user will likely have had his/her system installed by someone else who knows how to do the install, rather than converting from Windows themselves (though it does happen of course) - and remember that the vast majority of Windows users never did or ever will do an install themselves - they buy a laptop or desktop, and hit the power button - and it all comes to life. If a Linux geek installs a system, be it F14, F15, or any other, on behalf of an existing Windows user, and then gives the new Fedora system to the user they will largely be able to work with it with only a little help initially - they may need help with configuring a mail client, but that would be the same for Windows users too. Many people would be happy with a web browser, a music player, and a picture viewer, plus printer - after that many programs for a typical user get much less "use time". I think that in that instance an average Windows user confronted with a new linux system, and shown how to login would be off and running quite quickly - the problem arises when "something" does not work - and in the case of Windows that is also where the user gets very stuck and often then either calls in an expert, or tries to fix it him/her-self - often producing a broken system that needs an expert calling in also! Much the same for inexperienced linux users too! I have installed linux for friends and relatives, and remain the "expert" helping hand for when things go wrong. For a Windows system there is always the fallback to take the machine down to the local PCworld or similar where technicians will try to fix the machine or re-install the system - that commercial route is not usually available to linux noobs. However there are wiki pages for linux, as well as the Fedora lists and similar and are a superb and valuable resource, and also some very excellent help written on dedicated web pages (such as the kde web pages) - and although we often grumble when something is broken in linux, and specifically Fedora, we are actually in a very fortunate position that we have bugzilla to which not only other users respond, but also developers - it may take time but usually there is a solution in the end - and we always have to remember that we are riding the cutting edge! Quite often linux experts provide wonderful levels of direct help and advice on Fedora lists and similar. Show me rapid responses to Windows bugs? Where and how do Windows problems get fixed with an interactive dialogue with the reporter? It doesn't! So despite the Fedora issues with systemd, and gnome3, currently - these are being worked on - and although it may take a release cycle to fix some of the issues we are actually still the best in the business, so let's not forget our real position. -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Adieu, Fedora
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 6:11 AM, Antonio Olivares wrote: > Why? There are many people out there that play games, and for gaming no OS > out there, no Crossover, wine, ..., Virtual machines out there beat windows. > Most of the games are for windows and till linux > creates games that are on > par with the ones that are played in windows. > It is perfectly possible to run Fedora, with a Windows VM, and then play the games in the VM! That way you get the security of linux with the wonderful fallback if the Windows VM get messed up - just pull the VM back from that backup file that you of course always keep up to date - and you are done - none of that install, reboot, update, reboot, update, reboot, install new game package, reboot, update, reboot, reboot, reboot - oh dear have I overused the "reboot" word by one! Despite the problems Fedora still rocks! -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
fedora-release for f15 from f14 - is this a bug?
I was starting to run through a yum upgrade from f14 to f15. So, as I have done previously for other upgrades for versions up to f14, I downloaded the f15 fedora-release-f15 rpm, and tried to install it before yum upgrading. The terminal session went like this once I was root and in the directory containing the rpm: [root@physics30 ~]# cd /home/mike/Documents/f15/ [root@physics30 f15]# ls fedora-release-15-1.noarch.rpm [root@physics30 f15]# rpm -q fedora-release fedora-release-14-1.noarch [root@physics30 f15]# yum localinstall --nogpgcheck fedora-release-15-1.noarch.rpm Loaded plugins: langpacks, presto, refresh-packagekit Adding en_US to language list Setting up Local Package Process Examining fedora-release-15-1.noarch.rpm: fedora-release-15-1.noarch Marking fedora-release-15-1.noarch.rpm as an update to fedora-release-14-1.noarch adobe-linux-i386 | 951 B 00:00 rpmfusion-free-updates | 3.3 kB 00:00 rpmfusion-nonfree-updates| 3.3 kB 00:00 updates | 4.7 kB 00:00 updates/primary_db | 4.7 MB 00:06 Resolving Dependencies --> Running transaction check ---> Package fedora-release.noarch 0:15-1 set to be updated --> Processing Dependency: fedora-release-rawhide = 15-1 for package: fedora-release-15-1.noarch --> Finished Dependency Resolution Error: Package: fedora-release-15-1.noarch (/fedora-release-15-1.noarch) Requires: fedora-release-rawhide = 15-1 Available: fedora-release-rawhide-14-1.noarch (fedora) fedora-release-rawhide = 14-1 You could try using --skip-broken to work around the problem You could try running: rpm -Va --nofiles --nodigest Is this a bug or am I unable to use this technique any more? (it worked fine when I was upgrading from f11-f12, f12-f13 and f13->f14) Thanks for any suggestions. -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: fedora-release for f15 from f14 - is this a bug?
On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 7:20 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > mike cloaked writes: > >> --> Finished Dependency Resolution >> Error: Package: fedora-release-15-1.noarch (/fedora-release-15-1.noarch) >> Requires: fedora-release-rawhide = 15-1 >> Available: fedora-release-rawhide-14-1.noarch (fedora) >> fedora-release-rawhide = 14-1 >> You could try using --skip-broken to work around the problem >> You could try running: rpm -Va --nofiles --nodigest >> >> Is this a bug or am I unable to use this technique any more? (it >> worked fine when I was upgrading from f11-f12, f12-f13 and f13->f14) > > As the above error message tells you to do, you should simultaneously > installed fedora-release-rawhide rpm, in addition to the fedora-release rpm. OK - also yum --releasever=15 install fedora-release-15 works fine too Thanks -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
