A little introduction, and some curiosities/questions

[Francisco Tissera]

Good day everybody, I’m Francisco, and I’m a blind high school kid who just recently started using Fedora 33 Workstation, both for fun, and hopefully, with guidance from you guys, for actual day to day school work.I have a little bit of experience using Linux. I started with Ubuntu 3 or so months ago, almost immediately switched to Arch, to Debian, and now, I’m trying Fedora.As you can see, I switched a lot, cause all those distroes, eccept arch, somewhat, weren’t the distroes that were right for me, that’s the beauty of Linux I guess.Well anyways, everything went smoothly once I booted the iso on my macbook air, I just had to switch to Zorg so I could get the Anaconda installer talking.I managed to activate all four rpm fusion repoes, some copr once, install snap and enable flatpak, and all the initial stuff without a single problem.Now though, there is one problem, that I don’t like at all: being both a speach and braille user, I use Orca as my screen reader with Gnome, and BRLTTY, which you might have heard of.Now, this question is mostly for blind users that might be in here, but of course, everyone who has experience with this sort of thing can answer.I had to enable the bRLTTY daemon with systemctl enable brltty as sudo user, and that went fine.Problem is, even though BRLTTY starts up as it is supposed too, my Focus 40 with which I’m using the thing with, shows me “screen not in text mode”, which, I guess, means that something’s wrong.I don’t know what though, and I can say that with the other distores it just worked out of the box.So my question is, has anyone experienced this problem? Does anyone know a solution to this, for me, huge deal? Using brltty 6.1, the one that comes inclooded with F33.Thank you all, and best regards,Francisco.___
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RE: A little introduction, and some curiosities/questions

[Francisco Tissera]

Dear Ed, Thanks for the link to the Redhat docs regarding accessibility, it worked. I just needed to authorize my local user and root user so BRLTTY could be enabled under them and used.Now though another problem arises.There’s this problem with this library called xbrlapi, which basically is this library that let’s BRLTTY users type with their braille keyboard. The problem is, that when i try to execute it with the commandxbrlapieven with admin wrights, an error about not beeing able to establish a connection to the BRLTTY daemon is given back to me.Any suggestions?Thank you for your answers.Best regards.FranciscoFrom: Ed GreshkoSent: Monday, March 1, 2021 9:09 AMTo: users@lists.fedoraproject.orgSubject: Re: A little introduction, and some curiosities/questions On 01/03/2021 15:49, Francisco Tissera wrote:> > I don’t know what though, and I can say that with the other distores it just worked out of the box.> > So my question is, has anyone experienced this problem? Does anyone know a solution to this, for me, huge deal? Using brltty 6.1, the one that comes inclooded with F33.>  I don't know anything about brltty.  But, I did find this and wonder if it may have some helpful information https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/8/html/using_the_desktop_environment_in_rhel_8/configuring-desktop-environment-for-accessibility_using-the-desktop-environment-in-rhel-8 Also, I don't often use Workstation/GNOME.  But I know somethings may not work as well running underWayland.  Have you tried logging into a GNOME Xorg session? -- People who believe they don't make mistakes have already made one.___users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.orgTo unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.orgFedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelinesList Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.orgDo not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure ___
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Re: A little introduction, and some curiosities/questions

[Francisco Tissera]

Dear Ed,


I'll paste below the output that the command you suggested gave me, 
there's something disturbing indeed in that command, that I didn't try 
till you suggested it.



systemctl status brltty

● brltty.service - Braille display driver for Linux/Unix
 Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/brltty.service; enabled; 
vendor pr>

 Active: active (running) since Tue 2021-03-02 09:56:14 CET; 5min ago
    Process: 716 ExecStart=/usr/bin/brltty (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS)
  Tasks: 4 (limit: 9379)
 Memory: 3.8M
    CPU: 272ms
 CGroup: /system.slice/brltty.service
 └─728 /usr/bin/brltty
Mar 02 09:56:19 blueblink.blueblink brltty[728]: no matching user or group

This error persisted so i didn't copy it as many times as it output itself.

Mar 02 09:56:38 blueblink.blueblink brltty[728]: console control error 
5: fd=11>

lines 1-20/20 (END)


the output below, instead, is the output that is given when i type xbrlapi
openConnection: cannot connect to braille devices daemon brltty at :0
Thanks again for all the help.
Best regards.
Francisco.
On 3/2/21 8:45 AM, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 02/03/2021 15:09, Francisco Tissera wrote:


Thanks for the link to the Redhat docs regarding accessibility, it 
worked. I just needed to authorize my local user and root user so 
BRLTTY could be enabled under them and used.


Now though another problem arises.

There’s this problem with this library called xbrlapi, which 
basically is this library that let’s BRLTTY users type with their 
braille keyboard. The problem is, that when i try to execute it with 
the command


xbrlapi

even with admin wrights, an error about not beeing able to establish 
a connection to the BRLTTY daemon is given back to me.


Any suggestions?



Glad the link helped.

Again, not knowing anything, what is the output of the command

systemctl status brltty

?


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Re: A little introduction, and some curiosities/questions

[Francisco Tissera]

Dear ed,


How do I add the brlapi entry to /etc/group? i opened it in Nano, but i 
don't understand the sintacs.


Thanks again.

Best regards.

Francisco.

On 3/2/21 10:20 AM, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 02/03/2021 17:10, Francisco Tissera wrote:


I'll paste below the output that the command you suggested gave me, 
there's something disturbing indeed in that command, that I didn't 
try till you suggested it.



systemctl status brltty

● brltty.service - Braille display driver for Linux/Unix
 Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/brltty.service; enabled; 
vendor pr>
 Active: active (running) since Tue 2021-03-02 09:56:14 CET; 5min ago 

Process: 716 ExecStart=/usr/bin/brltty (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS) 


  Tasks: 4 (limit: 9379)
 Memory: 3.8M
CPU: 272ms
 CGroup: /system.slice/brltty.service
 └─728 /usr/bin/brltty
Mar 02 09:56:19 blueblink.blueblink brltty[728]: no matching user or group 



This error persisted so i didn't copy it as many times as it output itself. 



Mar 02 09:56:38 blueblink.blueblink brltty[728]: console control 
error 5: fd=11>

lines 1-20/20 (END)


the output below, instead, is the output that is given when i type xbrlapi 


openConnection: cannot connect to braille devices daemon brltty at :0
Thanks again for all the help


Do you have an entry for brlapi in your /etc/group?

I do, and if I start the service I don't get the error you note.

Also, it may be possible that with that line you'd need to add your 
user to be in that group.

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Re: A little introduction, and some curiosities/questions

[Francisco Tissera]

Dear Ed,


I inserted the line

brlapi:x:1010:francisco

to the end of the file /etc/group with Nano as sudoer, and when i type 
groups, I apparently am in the brlapi group, but i still get this error 
for some odd reason.


Did i do something wrong?

Best regards.

Francisco.

On 3/2/21 10:40 AM, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 02/03/2021 17:29, Francisco Tissera wrote:
How do I add the brlapi entry to /etc/group? i opened it in Nano, but 
i don't understand the sintacs.


Well

You can add the line

brlapi:x:975:

to the file.

But, just make sure that 975 is unique.

Or, you can use the "groupadd" command.

To add your your user to the group you can just append your username 
to the end of the line.


brlapi:x:975:yourusername

Use the "groups" command to see what groups you currently belong to.  
It may be best to

logout/login to make sure your now a part of that group.


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RE: A little introduction, and some curiosities/questions

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Dear George, Thanks for the changelog, I’ll download and install 6.3 then.Would I just download the rpm and install it, or would I have to download the source rpm as well? Brltty.com lists both, and so I don’t know how to go about it the right way.I’m sorry for so many questions that might seem dum, but I’m totally new to Fedora, thus, I’m totally new to the rpm package management system, dnf and yum are next on the list as well.Thanks again.Best regards.Francisco.From: George N. White IIISent: Tuesday, March 2, 2021 4:45 PMTo: Community support for Fedora usersSubject: Re: A little introduction, and some curiosities/questions On Tue, 2 Mar 2021 at 05:30, Francisco Tissera <audiogamer2...@gmail.com> wrote:Dear ed, How do I add the brlapi entry to /etc/group? i opened it in Nano, but i don't understand the sintacs.The Changelog for version 6.3 -- Fedora 33 provides 6.1 (January 28, 2021) -- has: Systemd changes:   The brlapi group is created during boot if it doesn't already exist.-- George N. White III ___
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RE: [Test Day] Fedora 34 Audio 2021-03-03

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Dear all, Now this, is something interesting for an actual screen reader user such as myself and every blind person who uses Fedora.I’ve heard both good and bad things about pipewire, and I’m really tempted to upgrade to Rawhide and test if the transition from Pulse to Pipewire works with Orca.For some odd reason I cannot seem to be able to run Fedora in a vm using VMware player, but if anyone who is interested in how accessibility is reads this, please reply, and I’ll surely be a part of the testing, and I’ll thus upgrade my F33 on my production machine accordingly.And thanks for the brltty group suggestion, MathewBest regards.FranciscoFrom: Sumantro MukherjeeSent: Tuesday, March 2, 2021 8:04 PMTo: t...@lists.fedoraproject.org; test-annou...@lists.fedoraproject.org; Community support for Fedora usersSubject: [Test Day] Fedora 34 Audio 2021-03-03 Hey All, PulseAudio deamon has been a default in Fedora for a really long time.As a part of the Fedora 34 changeset, PipeWire has been set todefault[0] which will route all audio from PulseAudio and JACK to thePipeWire Audio daemon by default. This is a very crucial change andwill require significant amount of testing. During pandemic, almostall for us connect via different video meeting platforms which makesthis test day more and more important. As a part of this test day[1], we will have designed a variety ofAudio Test scenarios keeping in mind our general users. The test casescan be found here[3] and the users can respond with their testingresults in the appropriate column. [0] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DefaultPipeWire[1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2021-03-03_Audio_Test_Day[2] https://testdays.fedoraproject.org/events/103 --//sumantroFedora QETRIED AND PERSONALLY TESTED, ERGO TRUSTED___users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.orgTo unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.orgFedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelinesList Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.orgDo not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure ___
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Re: A little introduction, and some curiosities/questions

[Francisco Tissera]

Dear George and Edd,


Thanks for all the suggestions, I've been reading them, but only now I 
got around to installing version 6.3 of BRLTTY.


I installed every rpm eccept the source, cause, and brlapi.

I kind of think I do need brlapi, but when i try to install it with the 
rpm -i command as sudoer, this happens.


    file /usr/lib64/brltty/libbrlttybba.so from install of 
brltty-braille-br
lapi-6.3-1.x86_64 conflicts with file from package 
brlapi-0.8.0-11.fc33.1.x86_64


Now, i hope to goodness that i don't have to remove brlapi as a hole 
package, cause the first time i tried that it broke pretty bad, and i 
had to reinstall the entire Fedora system to get everything back in 
order: what happened was, speech wasn't a thing anymore. when removing 
brlapi, in fact, a lot of dependencies were removed too, and i think 
that's what caused it. so, how can i install the newer package 
overriding the error that is written above?


Another thing:

I'm seriously glad i switched to fedora.

I heard and saw online that Fedora was a distro with a strong community, 
but seeing it and experiencing it is an absolutely different thing.


So what I'm saying is, thank you everyone, for just welcoming me with 
open arms and rying your absolute best to answer my question.


it's just hard to find such a community, at least, for me it has been.

Best regards.

Francisco.

On 3/3/21 1:51 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:


On 03/03/2021 20:20, George N. White III wrote:


Apparently the Fedora package doesn't create a group needed by brltty 
(a capability added in 6.3).
The online docs mention a group with user-defined name (for access to 
a "key") as well as setgid.
I'm not sure if there is more than one group needed, or whether there 
are other constraints (values

less than 1000) so it is best to get groups set up by systemd.


That doesn't seem to be quite an accurate statement.

I just checked dnf history and apparently it was installed on my 
system on 12/26/2017.  That
was when Fedora 27 was around.  It seems to have been pulled in by 
some other package.
But, I've never had a need to use it.  So, I'm certain I never added 
the group manually.


brlapi-0.6.6-8.fc27 and brltty-5.5-8.fc27 were installed at that time.

The only other dnf actions on the package has been during updates and 
system upgrades.



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RE: A little introduction, and some curiosities/questions

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Dear Ed, I actually need to install this specific package from brltty.com because I know for a fact that the upgraded version, 6.3, works pretty well.Best regards,FranciscoFrom: Ed GreshkoSent: Wednesday, March 3, 2021 2:42 PMTo: Francisco Tissera; Community support for Fedora usersSubject: Re: A little introduction, and some curiosities/questions On 03/03/2021 21:04, Francisco Tissera wrote:I kind of think I do need brlapi, but when i try to install it with the rpm -i command as sudoer, this happens.     file /usr/lib64/brltty/libbrlttybba.so from install of brltty-braille-br lapi-6.3-1.x86_64 conflicts with file from package brlapi-0.8.0-11.fc33.1.x86_64 That is the downside of installing similar packages from outside of the Fedora universe.There are differences in the way things are packaged such conflicts are bound to arise.That is why I would have discouraged installing the packages from brltty.com unless therewas a known reasons to do so.-- People who believe they don't make mistakes have already made one. ___
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Re: A little introduction, and some curiosities/questions

[Francisco Tissera]

Dear Ed,


I found another way, really randomly: I just needed to add myself to the 
groups brlapi and brltty, which i did already, but didn't work, but now 
it does, maybe because i added myself to brltty as well, thanks for 
everything.


Best regards.

Francisco.

On 3/3/21 2:57 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 03/03/2021 21:47, Francisco Tissera wrote:
I actually need to install this specific package from brltty.com 
because I know for a fact that the upgraded version, 6.3, works 
pretty well.


Then you should remove the brlapi-0.8.0-11.fc33 package and any other 
associated fedora

supplied packages and install the corresponding ones listed at

https://brltty.app/download.html#current
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RE: A little introduction, and some curiosities/questions

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Dear George, “I live in a world that includes Ubuntu, macOS,  and Windows.  Organizations I workwith use CentOS for large scale batch processing but make the users run Windows, soanything that makes it easier for developers to support multiple platforms is of interest.”Yeah, for me is windows as well, since a lot of programs I use, lambda for example, an accessible math editor, is packaged only for windows. But still, I wanna be able to use Linux for most of my work.Since I’ve installed Linux on a Mac, I have experience with Mac OS too, and it’s quite good in my opinion, also accessible.And, since I got started with ubuntu when starting with Linux, I have experience with that too.“Thanks for checking the Fedora rpms.   It looks like visually impaired users will be encountering lots of changes for Wayland and the sound system going forward.”Heh, heh, heh! That’s all I have to say.Just for the fun of it, I upgraded to F34 before having to do a fresh reinstall, and well, the changes to the sound system are not fun.Pipewire I don’t think does even work, from what I could gather from the braille display, since orca, after log in, was not speaking at all.So, with the help of the braille display, I opened firefox, and navigated to some random YouTube video, and nothing plaied. So for now, audio is a big nono, and accessibility is as well.Hopefully they’ll fix it before April.Best regards.Francisco.From: George N. White IIISent: Thursday, March 4, 2021 2:16 AMTo: Community support for Fedora usersSubject: Re: A little introduction, and some curiosities/questions On Wed, 3 Mar 2021 at 18:25, Ed Greshko  wrote:On 04/03/2021 04:12, George N. White III wrote:> Yes -- that is what how I understood the situation.   The brltty devs  maintain Debian and> RedHat packages with different post-install while creating groups with systemd should> work across distros (but the step to move the creation so systemd is easily overlooked, and> may not be noticed for a while since most installs will be upgrades rather than fresh installs).I don't known anything about Debian.  But I did check the rpm's from F27 and the rpm's frombrltty.com.The rpm's from britty.com do not contain any scripts. One of the advantages of systemd was supposed to be collecting some of the hidden magic of package installers into more visible and less distro-dependentsystemd files. The rpm's from Fedora do contain scripts and the script which creates the group is withinthe brlapi rpm and the group is created in the "normal" way.  I don't know what you meanby "creating groups with systemd"The PREIN script containsgetent group brlapi >/dev/null || groupadd -r brlapi >/dev/null The Changelog at britty.com for the 6.3 release says the systemd component was changed to create the brlapi group if itdoesn't exist, so the same functionality as the script.  Maybe the changewas a response to systems that failed to run the install script.   What creates the brltty group? Additionally F34 will have brltty-6.3-1.fc34 which includes brlapi-0.8.2-1.fc34 and that containsthe same PREIN script. I live in a world that includes Ubuntu, macOS,  and Windows.  Organizations I workwith use CentOS for large scale batch processing but make the users run Windows, soanything that makes it easier for developers to support multiple platforms is of interest. Thanks for checking the Fedora rpms.   It looks like visually impaired users will be encountering lots of changes for Wayland and the sound system going forward. -- George N. White III ___
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RE: Problem with installing Xnee

[Francisco Tissera]

   Dear Paul, At some point in that output of yours there is a 404, which usually means that something in the repo can’t be found.I don’t know if this relates to the actual copr repos in Fedora, I’m just saying what the output made me think.Please correct me if I’m wrong.You could try searching on Google for the error and seeing what turns up.Best regards.FranciscoFrom: Paul SmithSent: Thursday, March 4, 2021 1:38 PMTo: Community support for Fedora usersSubject: Problem with installing Xnee Dear All, I am trying to install Xnee from https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/spot/xnee/ but I am getting the following problem: -# dnf install xneeCopr repo for xnee owned by spot    738  B/s | 341  B 00:00Errors during downloading metadata for repository'copr:copr.fedorainfracloud.org:spot:xnee':  - Status code: 404 forhttps://download.copr.fedorainfracloud.org/results/spot/xnee/fedora-33-x86_64/repodata/repomd.xml(IP: 13.225.242.51)Error: Failed to download metadata for repo'copr:copr.fedorainfracloud.org:spot:xnee': Cannot downloadrepomd.xml: Cannot download repodata/repomd.xml: All mirrors weretriedIgnoring repositories: copr:copr.fedorainfracloud.org:spot:xneeLast metadata expiration check: 1:41:03 ago on Thu 04 Mar 2021 09:36:52 AM WET.No match for argument: xneeError: Unable to find a match: xnee#- Any ideas? Thanks in advance, Paul___users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.orgTo unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.orgFedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelinesList Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.orgDo not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure ___
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A question about enabling, or making sure, that accessibility is enabled

[Francisco Tissera]

Hello everyone, So, from a guide about the installation of Arch Linux, I gathered that in the home directory of a user, there should be a xinitrc file, where a user can specify what accessibility options they want enabled.Well, is there an equivalent of a xinitrc file in Fedora, and would these options be ok to insert to make sure accessibility is enabled? export GTK_MODULES=gail:atk-bridgeexport GNOME_ACCESSIBILITY=1export QT_ACCESSIBILITY=1export QT_LINUX_ACCESSIBILITY_ALWAYS_ON=1 Thank you for any help.Best regards.Francisco___
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Re: A question about enabling, or making sure, that accessibility is enabled

[Francisco Tissera]

hello Jonathan,


Thank you for your answer, I'll take a look at the mailing lists and see 
what i can gather.


Thank you again.

Best regards.

Francisco.

On 3/5/21 2:32 PM, Jonathan Billings wrote:

On Fri, Mar 05, 2021 at 08:23:11AM +0100, Francisco Tissera wrote:

So, from a guide about the installation of Arch Linux, I gathered that in the
home directory of a user, there should be a xinitrc file, where a user can
specify what accessibility options they want enabled.

Well, is there an equivalent of a xinitrc file in Fedora, and would these
options be ok to insert to make sure accessibility is enabled?

In a standard Fedora GNOME desktop running under Wayland, many of the
dot files are ignored.  I believe the more modern way of setting
environment variables for your Wayland environment is to use
environment.d (see 'man environment.d' for more details).

I'm not sure about how to turn on accessibility (aka a11y), but GNOME
has mailing lists and IRC channels for the features, listed here:

http://live.gnome.org/Accessibility


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A question about switching kernels

[Francisco Tissera]

Hello everyone,


Just a few minutes ago, i updated my system, and found out that from 
kernel version 5.10.19, there was an upgrade to 5.10.20, which I gladly did.


Well, when i, after rebooting, typed uname -r, I found out that i was 
still using kernel 5.10.19, instead of 20.


Is there a way to switch to the new installed kernel and remove the old 
one, is it safe to do so? if so, how?


Thank you for any answer.

Best regards.

Francisco.
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Re: A question about switching kernels

[Francisco Tissera]

hello Samuel,


Oh dear, all right, will see if i can get access to the grub menu, being 
blind, i guess I'll have to set the grub timeout to maybe 15 seconds, 
just to get it right.


Is there a way to remove the old kernel, if i miraculusly manage to 
select the latest kernel, or is it unsafe?


Thanks again.

best regards,

Francisco.

On 3/9/21 9:26 AM, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 3/8/21 10:55 PM, Francisco Tissera wrote:
Just a few minutes ago, i updated my system, and found out that from 
kernel version 5.10.19, there was an upgrade to 5.10.20, which I 
gladly did.


Well, when i, after rebooting, typed uname -r, I found out that i was 
still using kernel 5.10.19, instead of 20.


Is there a way to switch to the new installed kernel and remove the 
old one, is it safe to do so? if so, how?


By default, dnf will keep the latest 3 kernels, so you can go back to 
a previous one if something goes wrong.  However, the new kernel 
should be the default one.  Reboot again and make sure you select the 
latest kernel from the grub menu.  Hopefully, it will stick after that.

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Re: A question about switching kernels

[Francisco Tissera]

Hello George,


Below the output of the 3 commands you requested.


ls -l /boot/vm*
-rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root 11698160 Mar  3 11:14 
/boot/vmlinuz-0-rescue-133a2487cda

040dbbe9609f0ab827def
-rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root 10538096 Feb 26 17:36 
/boot/vmlinuz-5.10.19-200.fc33.x86

_64
-rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root 10546160 Mar  4 14:32 
/boot/vmlinuz-5.10.20-200.fc33.x86

_64
-rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root 11698160 Oct 15 19:23 
/boot/vmlinuz-5.8.15-301.fc33.x86_

64
[francisco@blueblink ~]$

dnf info kernel-5.10.19
Last metadata expiration check: 0:03:08 ago on Wed 10 Mar 2021 07:46:19 
AM CET.

Error: No matching Packages to list
[francisco@blueblink ~]$
dnf info kernel-5.10.20
Last metadata expiration check: 0:04:51 ago on Wed 10 Mar 2021 07:46:19 
AM CET.

Installed Packages
Name : kernel
Version  : 5.10.20
Release  : 200.fc33
Architecture : x86_64
Size : 0.0
Source   : kernel-5.10.20-200.fc33.src.rpm
Repository   : @System
From repo    : updates
Summary  : The Linux kernel
URL  : https://www.kernel.org/
License  : GPLv2 and Redistributable, no modification permitted
Description  : The kernel meta package
[francisco@blueblink ~]$

I did, just to make sure it would choose the latest kernel version, 
remove 5.10.19, but apparently it didn't work for some odd reason.
Regarding any other OS being installed, no nothing other than Fedora is 
installed on this mac.

On 3/9/21 4:03 PM, George N. White III wrote:
On Tue, 9 Mar 2021 at 07:32, dileepa.tissera dileepa.tissera 
mailto:audiogamer2...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Hello Samuel,

Thank you.

Interesting thing is, although I installed 5.10.20, the only
available version in the grub menu is 5.10.19, strange.

It is easy in the stream of messages to miss one "error" message.

Can you send the output of "ls -l /boot/vm*", "dnf info 
kernel-5.10.19" and "dnf info kernel-5.10.20"?  Does the system have 
more than one OS installed?


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Re: A question about switching kernels

[Francisco Tissera]

Hello,


rpm -q kernel's output is,

kernel-5.10.20-200.fc33.x86_64

the output of uname -r though, is,

5.10.19-200.fc33.x86_64

Best regards.

Francisco.

On 3/9/21 11:07 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 3/9/21 3:32 AM, dileepa.tissera dileepa.tissera wrote:
Interesting thing is, although I installed 5.10.20, the only 
available version in the grub menu is 5.10.19, strange.


What does "rpm -q kernel" show?
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Re: A question about switching kernels

[Francisco Tissera]

Hello Ed,


This is odd indeed.

Anyways, the output of the two commands, of which i understand nothing is,


[francisco@blueblink ~]$ sudo grub2-editenv list
saved_entry=133a2487cda040dbbe9609f0ab827def-5.10.19-200.fc33.x86_64
menu_auto_hide=1
boot_success=1
boot_indeterminate=0
[francisco@blueblink ~]$

[francisco@blueblink ~]$ sudo ls /boot/loader/entries/
133a2487cda040dbbe9609f0ab827def-0-rescue.conf
133a2487cda040dbbe9609f0ab827def-5.10.19-200.fc33.x86_64.conf
133a2487cda040dbbe9609f0ab827def-5.10.20-200.fc33.x86_64.conf
133a2487cda040dbbe9609f0ab827def-5.8.15-301.fc33.x86_64.conf
[francisco@blueblink ~]$

And, i don't believe secure boot is present on macs, I've never seen it 
at least.

Best regards.
Francisco
On 3/10/21 8:12 AM, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 10/03/2021 14:59, Francisco Tissera wrote:

rpm -q kernel's output is,

kernel-5.10.20-200.fc33.x86_64

the output of uname -r though, is,

5.10.19-200.fc33.x86_64 


That would be very odd.

It would be saying you have only one kernel installed but the kernel 
you're running isn't listed.


I don't know if you're running secure boot, or if that would make any 
difference.  But what is

the output of

sudo grub2-editenv list

As well as

sudo ls /boot/loader/entries/



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Re: A question about switching kernels

[Francisco Tissera]

Hello Samuel,


Yes, i did indeed do dnf remove kernel 5.10.19.

Well, as soon as this issue gets fixed, I'll do as you suggested.

Thanks.

Best regards.

Francisco

On 3/10/21 8:17 AM, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 3/9/21 10:59 PM, Francisco Tissera wrote:

rpm -q kernel's output is,

kernel-5.10.20-200.fc33.x86_64

the output of uname -r though, is,

5.10.19-200.fc33.x86_64


From your other email, I suspect you did "dnf remove kernel-5.10.19". 
The "kernel" package is just a meta-package, so you didn't change 
anything at all.  If you really want to remove it, you need to remove 
"kernel-core" instead.  But you won't be able to remove it until you 
boot the newer kernel because you can't remove the kernel that's 
currently being used.

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Re: A question about switching kernels

[Francisco Tissera]

Hello Ed,


Just a curiosity, if you don't mind:

in the command you gave me,

sudo grub2-editenv - set 
"saved_entry=133a2487cda040dbbe9609f0ab827def-5.10.20-200.fc33.x86


the entry x64 is absent. Is it normal, is it supposed to be like that?

Best regards.

Francisco.

On 3/10/21 8:28 AM, Ed Greshko wrote:
sudo grub2-editenv - set 
"saved_entry=133a2487cda040dbbe9609f0ab827def-5.10.20-200.fc33.x86

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Re: A question about switching kernels

[Francisco Tissera]

Hello Ed,


Oh... well, i didn't think it was an error really, it was a curiosity.

But still, I'm glad i caught it.

Thanks again.

Best regards.

Francisco.

On 3/10/21 8:41 AM, Ed Greshko wrote:
sudo grub2-editenv - set 
"saved_entry=133a2487cda040dbbe9609f0ab827def-5.10.20-200.fc33.x86_64
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Re: A question about switching kernels

[Francisco Tissera]

Hello Samuel,


The problem is solved.

To uninstall the core, i just do,

sudo dnf remove kernel-core --skip-broken, right?

Thanks again for all your help, everyone.

Best regards.

Francisco.

On 3/10/21 8:17 AM, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 3/9/21 10:59 PM, Francisco Tissera wrote:

rpm -q kernel's output is,

kernel-5.10.20-200.fc33.x86_64

the output of uname -r though, is,

5.10.19-200.fc33.x86_64


From your other email, I suspect you did "dnf remove kernel-5.10.19". 
The "kernel" package is just a meta-package, so you didn't change 
anything at all.  If you really want to remove it, you need to remove 
"kernel-core" instead.  But you won't be able to remove it until you 
boot the newer kernel because you can't remove the kernel that's 
currently being used.

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Re: A question about switching kernels

[Francisco Tissera]

Well, you don't, not on purpose.

I know I'm going a little OT, but it's not just on you to assist people, 
but it's on them, if they can, and this time I could, to help the helper 
out too, if needed.


That's one of the reasons why i really chose Fedora, because of the 
community.


Best regards.

Francisco.

On 3/10/21 8:54 AM, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 10/03/2021 15:43, Francisco Tissera wrote:

But still, I'm glad i caught it.


Not as glad as I am.  I normally don't break other people's systems.
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Re: A question about switching kernels

[Francisco Tissera]

Hello Ed,


Yeah, it worked, thanks.

Just so you know, you forgot dnf in there.

I hope you don't mind me telling you.

Do i have to rebuild drivers and such I've installed after erasing 
5.10.19, or do they automatically apply to 20 as well?


Best regards.

Francisco.

On 3/10/21 10:05 AM, Ed Greshko wrote:


On 10/03/2021 15:54, Francisco Tissera wrote:

Hello Samuel,


The problem is solved.

To uninstall the core, i just do,

sudo dnf remove kernel-core --skip-broken, right?



sudo remove kernel-core-5.10.19-200.fc33

should be sufficient.


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Re: A question about switching kernels

[Francisco Tissera]

Hello,


About the kernel modules, thanks, it's good to know that i don't 
necessarily have to rebuild drivers, cause I've done my share of things 
to get this mac book air up and running as it should.


And Ed, LOL! I hope your wife is nowhere near your computer right now!

Best regards.

Francisco.

On 3/10/21 10:21 AM, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 10/03/2021 17:10, Francisco Tissera wrote:

Yeah, it worked, thanks.

Just so you know, you forgot dnf in there.

I hope you don't mind me telling you. 


LOL!!!

Not at all.  I even forgot to put chestnuts in the rice today. Bad day.
I blame it on my wife cutting my hair and freezing my brain.


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Re: A question about switching kernels

[Francisco Tissera]

Hello Ed,


LOL, thanks for that one. Yeah, the issue would have been even more 
confused indeed.


Best regards.

Francisco.

On 3/10/21 12:07 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 10/03/2021 15:32, Francisco Tissera wrote:

in the command you gave me,

sudo grub2-editenv - set 
"saved_entry=133a2487cda040dbbe9609f0ab827def-5.10.20-200.fc33.x86


the entry x64 is absent. Is it normal, is it supposed to be like that? 


FWIW, I decided to test on a system here what would happen with a 
bogus entry.


My system was booted to the 5.10.20-200 kernel and I gave a bogus 
entry


[root@f33k ~]# grub2-editenv list
saved_entry=8b511c4b483b4414b7bf742b35809e2c-5.10.19-200.fc33.x86
boot_success=0
boot_indeterminate=0

I then rebooted the system.  The entry above remained unchanged but 
the system again

booted to the 5.10.20-200 kernel.

So, the good news is that I'd probably wouldn't be responsible for 
breaking your system.  The bad

news is that the results would have probably confused the issue even more.

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Re: A question about switching kernels

[Francisco Tissera]

Hello George,


Thanks for that bit of info.

Fortunately enough, then, in this case, mi Mac is a 2017 Air, so I don't 
have to worry about it.


Best regards.

Francisco.

On 3/10/21 1:29 PM, George N. White III wrote:
On Wed, 10 Mar 2021 at 03:23, Francisco Tissera 
mailto:audiogamer2...@gmail.com>> wrote:


[...]
And, i don't believe secure boot is present on macs, I've never
seen it
at least.


Just to keep the record current: Recent macs with T2 chips do use 
secure boot, see
https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/11/apple-t2-chip-cant-boot-linux 
<https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2018/11/apple-t2-chip-cant-boot-linux> 
quotes Apple:


NOTE: There is currently no trust provided for the Microsoft Corporation
UEFI CA 2011, which would allow verification of code signed by Microsoft
partners. This UEFI CA is commonly used to verify the authenticity of
bootloaders for other operating systems such as Linux variants.

https://www.wikihow.com/Turn-Off-Secure-Boot-on-Mac 
<https://www.wikihow.com/Turn-Off-Secure-Boot-on-Mac>.


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Two questions at once, arn't I being curious?

[Francisco Tissera]

Hello everyone,


To day I received a notification telling me that important OS updates 
were ready to install.


Instead of installing them from the software center though, I went ahead 
and opened up terminal and ran


sudo dnf upgrade --refresh

because i like the --refresh command a lot. Well, my question is, is it 
the same to run the updates from terminal and from the software center? 
does it matter from where they are ran?


The other question, totally unrelated, is: does anyone know/use a sound 
theme that is not the default one, and believe it's a good sound theme? 
if so, where can I get it, and how can I install a sound theme in Fedora?


Thank you for any answer.

Best regards.

Francisco.
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Re: Two questions at once, arn't I being curious?

[Francisco Tissera]

Hello,


Ah, I see, thanks.

After the offline update is set up, and the update is done though, does 
the cash clear automatically, or does it have to be cleared manually?


Best regards.

Francisco.

On 3/12/21 8:53 AM, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 3/11/21 11:00 PM, Francisco Tissera wrote:
To day I received a notification telling me that important OS updates 
were ready to install.


Instead of installing them from the software center though, I went 
ahead and opened up terminal and ran


sudo dnf upgrade --refresh

because i like the --refresh command a lot. Well, my question is, is 
it the same to run the updates from terminal and from the software 
center? does it matter from where they are ran?


Yes, it's the same.  No, it doesn't really matter.  The difference is 
that the software center will setup an offline update, so you need to 
reboot to run it.  dnf also now has this option if you use the right 
command (it's new).

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A question about Wine in fedora

[Francisco Tissera]

Hello everyone,


I am having this problem where, when I try to launch a Windows 
application with Wine, this happens.



Xlib:  extension "NV-GLX" missing on display ":1".
Xlib:  extension "NV-GLX" missing on display ":1".
MESA-INTEL: warning: Performance support disabled, consider sysctl 
dev.i915.perf

_stream_paranoid=0


What is this? has anyone experienced this before? if so, how do I fix it?

Thank you for any answers.

Best regards.

Francisco.
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Re: A question about Wine in fedora

[Francisco Tissera]

hELLO THERE,


yES, AND NO AT THE SAME TIME.

i MANAGED TO FIX THE NVIDIA PROBLEM BY ACTUALLY INSTALLING THE CARD 
DRIVERS, since i apparently required only Intel drivers.


Although I found another problem:

[francisco@blueblink audiogame-manager]$ wine: Unhandled page fault on 
write access to  at address 048A199B (thread 0128), starting 
debugger...


That, is another problem that arises when I launch yet another 
application, and this one persists.


What can I do about this one? it doens't let me use the app at all, it 
just... closes it.


Sorry for the caps, I wasn't paying attention while writing.

Best regards.

Francisco.

On 3/14/21 1:27 PM, Eddie O'Connor wrote:
Just curious, do you have any "NVidia" hardware in there?...has it 
been enabled/installed?





EGO II

On Sun, Mar 14, 2021, 6:56 AM Francisco Tissera 
mailto:audiogamer2...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Hello everyone,


I am having this problem where, when I try to launch a Windows
application with Wine, this happens.


Xlib:  extension "NV-GLX" missing on display ":1".
Xlib:  extension "NV-GLX" missing on display ":1".
MESA-INTEL: warning: Performance support disabled, consider sysctl
dev.i915.perf
_stream_paranoid=0


What is this? has anyone experienced this before? if so, how do I
fix it?

Thank you for any answers.

Best regards.

Francisco.
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Re: A problem I"m having with rpm tainted repoes

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Hello there,


How could I let the maintainers know? is there a bugzilla page or 
something like that? if so, where could I find it?


Thanks for any answer.

Best regards.

Francisco

On 3/23/21 1:00 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:

On 3/23/21 9:25 AM, dileepa.tissera dileepa.tissera wrote:
So, after upgrading to Rawhide, now that everything is fixed, thanks 
for directing me to the test list btw, I found out that both the free 
and the non free rpm fusion tainted repositories give me a 404 error, 
only in Rawhide though.


Does any of you have this problem?

If so, is there a way to fix it? I’d like to not do a clean install 
of F33 just to get these enabled, but if it’s the only way you can 
recommend, I’ll do that.




Error 404 is, of course, File Not Found.  Re-installing F 33 will 
eliminate the problem, of course, because you won't be looking in the 
Rawhide repositories any more.  If you want to continue using Rawhide, 
you'll have to wait until they get updated, or let the maintainers 
know about the problem.

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A problem with compiling the latest version of Orca screen reader on F 33 and Rawhide

[Francisco Tissera]

Hello everyone,


The problem I'v having is this:

When i clone orca into the orca directory, cd to it, and run 
./autogen.sh, everything goes ok, eccept...


configure: error: Package requirements (pygobject-3.0 >= 3.18) were not met:
Package 'pygobject-3.0', required by 'virtual:world', not found
Consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if you
installed software in a non-standard prefix.
Alternatively, you may set the environment variables PYGOBJECT_CFLAGS
and PYGOBJECT_LIBS to avoid the need to call pkg-config.
See the pkg-config man page for more details.
[francisco@Blueblink orca]$

I tried reinstalling the packages, but funny thing is, that the packages 
were already there. i also tried some pip solutions I found on the web, 
but, as you can see, none of them worked out that well.


Has anyone encountered this missing library thing somewhere? if so, how 
would I go about fixing it?


Thanks for any answer.

Best regards.

Francisco
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Re: A problem with compiling the latest version of Orca screen reader on F 33 and Rawhide

[Francisco Tissera]

Hello there,


A simple dnf build-dep orca worked as well, and I dubblechecked to make 
sure all the packages you listed were installed, and htey were, it 
works, thanks.


Best regards.

Francisco.

On 3/26/21 5:45 PM, stan via users wrote:

On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 12:43:56 -0400
Francisco Tissera  wrote:

The problem I'v having is this:

When i clone orca into the orca directory, cd to it, and run
./autogen.sh, everything goes ok, eccept...

configure: error: Package requirements (pygobject-3.0 >= 3.18) were
not met: Package 'pygobject-3.0', required by 'virtual:world', not
found Consider adjusting the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable if
you installed software in a non-standard prefix.
Alternatively, you may set the environment variables PYGOBJECT_CFLAGS
and PYGOBJECT_LIBS to avoid the need to call pkg-config.
See the pkg-config man page for more details.
[francisco@Blueblink orca]$

I tried reinstalling the packages, but funny thing is, that the
packages were already there. i also tried some pip solutions I found
on the web, but, as you can see, none of them worked out that well.

Has anyone encountered this missing library thing somewhere? if so,
how would I go about fixing it?

Thanks for any answer.

Do you have all of these installed?  I suspect you are missing the
-devel package

python3-gobject-3.40.0-1.fc34.x86_64.rpm
python3-gobject-base-3.40.0-1.fc34.x86_64.rpm
python3-gobject-devel-3.40.0-1.fc34.x86_64.rpm

As you can see, the versions are >= 3.18

If you do, then as the message says, they are not in your path.  This
seems unlikely.  Just a warning: installing locally built from source
binaries in the standard locations usually leads to all sorts of
trouble.  You are better off installing in /usr/local/ and then
adding it to your path to make sure they are found.  This way the
package manager doesn't get confused.
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Confirming a command for switching kernels

[Francisco Tissera]

Hello everyone,


Because of some wi-fi problems I'm having with the latest 5.12 rc4 
kernel in rawhide, I'd like to switch back to 5.12 rc3, because I recall 
that wi-fi worked.


The command, credits to Ed, I tried, was

sudo grub2-editenv - set 
"saved_entry=133a2487cda040dbbe9609f0ab827def-5.12.0-0.rc3.20210319git8b12a62a4e3e.172.fc35.x86_64


but it didn't work, so I'm wondering if that entry thing needs to be 
changed.


If so, how? what should I do?

Thanks for any answer.

Best regards.

Francisco.
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Re: Suggestion to improve documentation of Changes/BtrfsTransparentCompression

[Francisco Tissera]

Hello there,


So, let's see if I got it right: if i put in / as a path, it should 
compress the entire harddrive right?


If not, how should I go about doing that? I don't think it would be a 
good idea to compress the /boot directory, cause the docs don't 
recommend it, but how would I go about compressing the entire root 
partition with all the file and such?


The path /dev/sda gives me an error.

Thanks for any answer.

Best regards.

Francisco

On 3/31/21 2:56 AM, Chris Murphy wrote:

On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 11:29 PM misterx42--- via users
 wrote:

Just a small thing, but as someone who never actually played around with 
filesystems so far, I was looking to try out the changes outlined in 
Changes/BtrfsTransparentCompression, but the command on the page:

btrfs filesystem defrag -czstd -r

doesnt work without an additional argument. This is pretty obvious for people 
who already worked with filesystems before, but I think it would be a good idea 
to add a small, one sentence explanation of how to add the required path to the 
end of the command (ie / in my case). It would help people like me from getting 
confused and hopefully bring in more casual tinkerers trying the new change out.

Thanks.

Thanks for the feedback, I've updated that section.



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A problem with Fedora and Wine

[Francisco Tissera]

Hello everyone,


I don't know if this has happened to anyone, but below is my problem:

When I launch an application with Wine, and press any key, this happens:

wine: Unhandled page fault on write access to  at address 
0336199B (thread 0124), starting debugger...

and the application itself crashes.

I experienced this with both Fedora 33, and rawhide.

The wine version I'm using at the moment is 6.3-1

Thank you for any answer.

Best regards.

Francisco.
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Re: A problem with Fedora and Wine

[Francisco Tissera]

Hello there,


As far as I saw, this happened with several applications.

I'm not exactly using Wine as one would imagine.

In fact, I'm using Wine via this tool that lets me download audio games, 
called audiogame-manager.


you can find more info about that at

https://stormgames.wolfe.casa/audiogame-manager.html

So I don't know if resetting all the wine prefixes would do, and I don't 
even know how to do that in the first place.


Best regards.

Francisco.

On 4/9/21 4:52 AM, yanqiy...@gmail.com wrote:

在 2021-04-09星期五的 04:37 -0400，Francisco Tissera写道：

Hello everyone,


I don't know if this has happened to anyone, but below is my problem:

When I launch an application with Wine, and press any key, this
happens:

With all .exe files? or a certain application?
If wine fails on all applications, try resetting your wineprefix?

wine: Unhandled page fault on write access to  at address
0336199B (thread 0124), starting debugger...
and the application itself crashes.

I experienced this with both Fedora 33, and rawhide.

The wine version I'm using at the moment is 6.3-1

Thank you for any answer.

Best regards.

Francisco.
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Re: A problem with Fedora and Wine

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Hello there,


Moving the wine folder to somewhere else does not solve the problem, 
it's no use.


Best regards.

Francisco.

On 4/9/21 12:46 PM, Qiyu Yan wrote:

在 2021-04-09星期五的 06:48 -0400，Francisco Tissera写道：

Hello there,

As far as I saw, this happened with several applications.

Try more applications? to see if the problem is with your wine or your
application.

I'm not exactly using Wine as one would imagine.
In fact, I'm using Wine via this tool that lets me download audio
games, called audiogame-manager.
you can find more info about that at
https://stormgames.wolfe.casa/audiogame-manager.html
So I don't know if resetting all the wine prefixes would do, and I
don't even know how to do that in the first place.

Move your ~/.wine to somewhere else, start your application (you may
need to reinstall something.)

Best regards.
Francisco.
On 4/9/21 4:52 AM, yanqiy...@gmail.com wrote:
  

在 2021-04-09星期五的 04:37 -0400，Francisco Tissera写道：
  

Hello everyone,


I don't know if this has happened to anyone, but below is my
problem:

When I launch an application with Wine, and press any key, this
happens:

With all .exe files? or a certain application?
If wine fails on all applications, try resetting your wineprefix?
  

wine: Unhandled page fault on write access to  at address
0336199B (thread 0124), starting debugger...
and the application itself crashes.

I experienced this with both Fedora 33, and rawhide.

The wine version I'm using at the moment is 6.3-1

Thank you for any answer.

Best regards.

Francisco.
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Re: A problem with Fedora and Wine

[Francisco Tissera]

Hello there,


I did, and saddly he can't really help, since on Ubuntu and Arch, which 
he knows how to use, I assume, he does not encounter that error.


He said that he does not have any familiarity with Fedora, so he really 
can't help.


Still, thanks for everything.

Best regards.

Francisco.

On 4/11/21 1:56 AM, Qiyu Yan wrote:

在 2021-04-10星期六的 15:51 -0400，Francisco Tissera写道：

Hello there,


Moving the wine folder to somewhere else does not solve the problem,
it's no use.

In this case I don't think it have something to do with Wine shipped
with fedora, I think.

Back to the original error message

Unhandled page fault on write access to 

It means that your program is doing something like accessing memory via
an uninitialized pointer, wine just catches that error.

IMHO asking the maintainer for audiogame-manager will be more helpful.

Best regards.

Francisco.

On 4/9/21 12:46 PM, Qiyu Yan wrote:

在 2021-04-09星期五的 06:48 -0400，Francisco Tissera写道：

Hello there,

As far as I saw, this happened with several applications.

Try more applications? to see if the problem is with your wine or
your
application.

I'm not exactly using Wine as one would imagine.
In fact, I'm using Wine via this tool that lets me download audio
games, called audiogame-manager.
you can find more info about that at
https://stormgames.wolfe.casa/audiogame-manager.html
So I don't know if resetting all the wine prefixes would do, and
I
don't even know how to do that in the first place.

Move your ~/.wine to somewhere else, start your application (you
may
need to reinstall something.)

Best regards.
Francisco.
On 4/9/21 4:52 AM, yanqiy...@gmail.com wrote:
   

在 2021-04-09星期五的 04:37 -0400，Francisco Tissera写道：
   

Hello everyone,


I don't know if this has happened to anyone, but below is my
problem:

When I launch an application with Wine, and press any key,
this
happens:

With all .exe files? or a certain application?
If wine fails on all applications, try resetting your
wineprefix?
   

wine: Unhandled page fault on write access to  at
address
0336199B (thread 0124), starting debugger...
and the application itself crashes.

I experienced this with both Fedora 33, and rawhide.

The wine version I'm using at the moment is 6.3-1

Thank you for any answer.

Best regards.

Francisco.
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A problem with wine and fedora 34

[Francisco Tissera]

Hello everyone,


Just recently I have installed wine on Fedora 34, with gnome 40, and all 
the defaults, but when ever I install an application and try to start 
it, this happens:


Application could not be started, or no application associated with the 
specified file. ShellExecuteEx failed: File not found.


Anyone have any clew as to how to fix it?

Thank you for any answer.

Best regards.

Francisco.
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Modifying DNF's output

[Francisco Tissera]

Hello everyone,


I am currently using Fedora_linux 34, and I'd like to know, since I have 
been using this OS for over a month and a half, and I find DNF's output 
a bit... too much, if I could modify it somehow.


I'd like to modify how it outputs the installation of software.

For example, when  the dnf install package name command is issued,  the 
first thing that will appear on the terminal is how long ago the last 
dependency check was done.


Can that line of output be suppressed in any way?

If not, that's fine, I'll get used to it, but still, it would be cool if 
it could.


Any help would be apriciated.

Best regards.

Francisco.
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Re: Modifying DNF's output

[Francisco Tissera]

Hello everyone,


I'd like to thank both Ed and Poc for their input.


Ed, adding the -q option makes it... Too quiet, LOL!


Poc, what you suggested, is really useful, thanks, since you wrote that 
any output can be customized to what I like.


How ever, I have another question:

Is there a way to make that grep permanent? or would I have to type the 
command including grep every time?


Thanks again.

Best regards.

Francisco.

On 6/1/21 12:06 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Tue, 2021-06-01 at 09:32 -0400, Francisco Tissera wrote:

Hello everyone,


I am currently using Fedora_linux 34, and I'd like to know, since I
have
been using this OS for over a month and a half, and I find DNF's
output
a bit... too much, if I could modify it somehow.

I'd like to modify how it outputs the installation of software.

For example, when  the dnf install package name command is issued,
the
dependency check was done.

Can that line of output be suppressed in any way?

If not, that's fine, I'll get used to it, but still, it would be cool
if
it could.

Any help would be apriciated.

Anything that writes to standard output (or even standard error) can be
filtered on whatever criteria you like, typically using grep, e.g.:

$ sudo dnf update|grep -v "Last metadata"
Dependencies resolved.
Nothing to do.
Complete!

poc
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