KDE doesn't start after upgrade to Fedora 27
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Re: KDE doesn't start after upgrade to Fedora 27
I wrote: > I have two systems that were recently upgraded from Fedora 26 to 27 > using DNF system-upgrade. Both were successfully running a KDE desktop > for several generations previously, including on F26. In both cases, > after the upgrade, starting KDE showed the splash screen and then > a blank screen with only a pointer cursor. The keyboard and mouse > worked but the screen remained blank. Both systems are set to start > in systemd's multi-user mode; KDE is started with the startx command. Prasad K wrote: > I'm guessing some dependent systemd service did not start causing > the KDE startup issue. Instead of startx, install a login manager > like KDM or SLIM and enable the system to launch GUI at boot and > then reboot the system and see if the issue gets resolved. I tried that with the first system, the one which I have already re-installed, before the reinstall. The result was the same except that killing the hung system was more painful. -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA "You ain't goin' nowhere, son." d...@compata.com, +1 714 434 7359-- Grand Ole Opry manager to dhcl...@alumni.caltech.edu Elvis Presley, 1954 ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: KDE doesn't start after upgrade to Fedora 27
Ed Greshko wrote: >> (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" > > First, check the file /home/dave/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log for > the complete Xorg log. Looking for EE lines I found only two such lines, each present only in one of eight logs. (1) intel(0): Failed to submit rendering commands (Invalid argument), disabling acceleration. (2) open /dev/fb0: Permission denied For (2), I tried chmod 666 on the device but that didn't help, except that the EE line is no longer present. For (1), if acceleration were the only problem, I think I'd see a screen. > On all of my systems that file doesn't exist since everything > is determined by the kernel. That line doesn't even appear in my > Xorg.0.log. So, maybe try starting without that file in place. What > does it contain? I moved /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d to a different directory and tried again. No change. The Xorg log file is basically the same as before, no EE lines. The xorg.conf file looks about the way I would expect. Frankly, it looks pretty vanilla. The xorg.conf.d directory contains only a 00-keyboard.conf file. -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA "'Always' and 'never' are two d...@compata.com, +1 714 434 7359words you should always remember dhcl...@alumni.caltech.edu never to use." --Wendell Johnson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: KDE doesn't start after upgrade to Fedora 27
"Patrick O'Callaghan" wrote: > You might want to post on the Fedora KDE list for this kind > of problem. I may try that. But the XIO errors and the failure to open the display made me think this might be a better place. -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA +1 714 434 7359 d...@compata.com dhcl...@alumni.caltech.edu "Arguing that you don't care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say." -- Edward Snowden ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: KDE doesn't start after upgrade to Fedora 27
Ed Greshko wrote: >On 02/08/18 19:30, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: >> I think you said that Gnome does start but KDE doesn't, so it's likely >> that something in the KDE config is causing the problem. > Well, unless GNOME is using Wayland? The way I read the release notes, it is. Though there apparently is a way to override and force it back to X. I haven't tried, mostly because I really don't like Gnome so I avoid it. > But, one should try creating another user and then try starting > KDE on that new pristine account. I've done that without any change. -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA +1 714 434 7359 d...@compata.com dhcl...@alumni.caltech.edu "..the last seven decades of the twentieth century will be characterized in history as the dark ages of theoretical physics." -- Carver Mead ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: KDE doesn't start after upgrade to Fedora 27
Ed Greshko wrote: > Could you upload /home/dave/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log for > others to look at? The one on my test system is 402 lines long so > yours may be equally long. Sure. Here's the latest version. -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA "Genius may have its limitations, d...@compata.com, +1 714 434 7359but stupidity is not thus dhcl...@alumni.caltech.edu handicapped." --Elbert Hubbard [ 166.891] X.Org X Server 1.19.6 Release Date: 2017-12-20 [ 166.891] X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0 [ 166.891] Build Operating System: 4.14.11-300.fc27.x86_64 [ 166.891] Current Operating System: Linux dc7800.compata.com 4.14.16-300.fc27.x86_64 #1 SMP Wed Jan 31 19:24:27 UTC 2018 x86_64 [ 166.891] Kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-4.14.16-300.fc27.x86_64 root=/dev/mapper/fedora_dc7800-root ro rd.lvm.lv=fedora_dc7800/root rd.lvm.lv=fedora_dc7800/swap vconsole.font=latarcyrheb-sun16 biosdevname=0 net.ifnames=0 selinux=0 LANG=en_US.UTF-8 [ 166.891] Build Date: 10 January 2018 11:00:12PM [ 166.891] Build ID: xorg-x11-server 1.19.6-2.fc27 [ 166.891] Current version of pixman: 0.34.0 [ 166.891]Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org to make sure that you have the latest version. [ 166.891] Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. [ 166.891] (==) Log file: "/home/dave/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log", Time: Tue Feb 6 21:11:34 2018 [ 166.939] (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" [ 166.939] (==) Using config directory: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d" [ 166.939] (==) Using system config directory "/usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d" [ 167.001] (==) ServerLayout "X.org Configured" [ 167.001] (**) |-->Screen "Screen0" (0) [ 167.001] (**) | |-->Monitor "Monitor0" [ 167.001] (**) | |-->Device "Card0" [ 167.001] (**) |-->Input Device "Mouse0" [ 167.001] (**) |-->Input Device "Keyboard0" [ 167.001] (==) Automatically adding devices [ 167.001] (==) Automatically enabling devices [ 167.001] (==) Automatically adding GPU devices [ 167.001] (==) Automatically binding GPU devices [ 167.009] (==) Max clients allowed: 256, resource mask: 0x1f [ 167.009] (**) FontPath set to: catalogue:/etc/X11/fontpath.d, built-ins, catalogue:/etc/X11/fontpath.d, built-ins [ 167.009] (**) ModulePath set to "/usr/lib64/xorg/modules" [ 167.009] (WW) Hotplugging is on, devices using drivers 'kbd', 'mouse' or 'vmmouse' will be disabled. [ 167.009] (WW) Disabling Mouse0 [ 167.009] (WW) Disabling Keyboard0 [ 167.009] (II) Loader magic: 0x821e00 [ 167.009] (II) Module ABI versions: [ 167.009]X.Org ANSI C Emulation: 0.4 [ 167.009]X.Org Video Driver: 23.0 [ 167.009]X.Org XInput driver : 24.1 [ 167.009]X.Org Server Extension : 10.0 [ 167.010] (++) using VT number 2 [ 167.012] (II) systemd-logind: took control of session /org/freedesktop/login1/session/_35 [ 167.013] (II) xfree86: Adding drm device (/dev/dri/card0) [ 167.013] (II) systemd-logind: got fd for /dev/dri/card0 226:0 fd 11 paused 0 [ 167.015] (--) PCI:*(0:0:2:0) 8086:29b2:103c:2818 rev 2, Mem @ 0xf010/524288, 0xe000/268435456, 0xf000/1048576, I/O @ 0x1230/8, BIOS @ 0x/65536 [ 167.015] (II) "glx" will be loaded. This was enabled by default and also specified in the config file. [ 167.015] (II) LoadModule: "glx" [ 167.072] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so [ 167.232] (II) Module glx: vendor="X.Org Foundation" [ 167.232]compiled for 1.19.6, module version = 1.0.0 [ 167.232]ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 10.0 [ 167.232] (II) LoadModule: "intel" [ 167.232] (II) Loading /usr/lib64/xorg/modules/drivers/intel_drv.so [ 167.383] (II) Module intel: vendor="X.Org Foundation" [ 167.383]compiled for 1.19.5, module version = 2.99.917 [ 167.383]Module class: X.Org Video Driver [ 167.383]ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 23.0 [ 167.383] (II) intel: Driver for Intel(R) Integrated Graphics Chipsets: i810, i810-dc100, i810e, i815, i830M, 845G, 854, 852GM/855GM, 865G, 915G, E7221 (i915), 915GM, 945G, 945GM, 945GME, Pineview GM, Pineview G, 965G, G35, 965Q, 946GZ, 965GM, 965GME/GLE, G33, Q35, Q33, GM45, 4 Series, G45/G43, Q45/Q43, G41, B43 [ 167.384] (II) intel: Driver for Intel(R) HD Graphics [ 167.384] (II) intel: Driver for Intel(R) Iris(TM) Graphics [ 167.384] (II) intel: Driver for Intel(R) Iris(TM) Pro Graphics [ 167.409] (II) intel(0): Using Kernel Mode Setting driver: i915, version 1.6.0 201708
Re: KDE doesn't start after upgrade to Fedora 27
Ed Greshko wrote: > Looking at your Xorg.0.log I see this at the end. > > [ 221.964] (II) AIGLX: Suspending AIGLX clients for VT switch > [ 222.058] (II) systemd-logind: got pause for 13:65 > [ 222.058] (II) systemd-logind: got pause for 13:69 > [ 222.059] (II) systemd-logind: got pause for 13:64 > [ 222.059] (II) systemd-logind: got pause for 226:0 > [ 222.059] (II) systemd-logind: got pause for 13:66 > [ 222.059] (II) systemd-logind: got pause for 13:67 > [ 222.059] (II) systemd-logind: got pause for 13:68 > > You should check on your working system what you get. I don't > have any of those types of pause messages. > > I suppose you could try with selinux disabled as this appears to > be a system-wide issue as opposed to a use configuration issue. SElinux is disabled. On the working system, the above messages are followed by [ 72483.987] (II) AIGLX: Resuming AIGLX clients after VT switch I'm not switching consoles. I haven't yet reached the opportunity to do so when the system hangs and the black screen appears. After that, yes, I can and do switch to a text console so I can kill the hung KDE session. Searching for references to that AIGLX message, I find several reports, some going back a few years. The solutions are things like installing a different GUI so they aren't very helpful. But it certainly does look like the systemd-logind pause is stuck and could be the cause of my problem. Have I mentioned that I installed TigerVNC on the system, then connected from a different one? In that situation, KDE starts fine. The problem is only on the main screen. -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA +1 714 434 7359 d...@compata.com dhcl...@alumni.caltech.edu "There are now so many exceptions to the Fourth Amendment that it operates only by accident." --William Hugh Murray, 2013 ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: KDE doesn't start after upgrade to Fedora 27
I wrote:
>But it certainly does look like the systemd-logind pause is stuck
>and could be the cause of my problem.
BTW, /etc/systemd/logind.conf contains only comments and none of the
other logind configuration files are present.
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Re: KDE doesn't start after upgrade to Fedora 27
Ed Greshko wrote: > Is your system a desktop with a single monitor? A laptop with > external monitor? Or something else? It's a desktop with a single monitor. > If you do use either sddm or kdm do you get a login screen? Couldn't > hurt to try that as Samuel has suggested. Using kdm, I get exactly the same result. -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA +1 714 434 7359 d...@compata.com dhcl...@alumni.caltech.edu "Email is the 'file system' for people that aren't geeks. IMAP is NFS for your mom." --Tom Limoncelli ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: KDE doesn't start after upgrade to Fedora 27
Samuel Sieb wrote: >> I'm not switching consoles. I haven't yet reached the opportunity >> to do so when the system hangs and the black screen appears. After >> that, yes, I can and do switch to a text console so I can kill the >> hung KDE session. > > You do switch consoles and you just again said you did. You switched > consoles and then killed the session. I get those same messages when > I switch to a text console and then back again. Those messages are > normal and not a problem. I ran the test this evening while I was remotely connected to the machine from a different machine. When KDE stuck, I checked the Xorg log from the other machine, without switching consoles on the machine with the problem. The log ended like this: [261624.860] (II) AIGLX: Suspending AIGLX clients for VT switch [261624.925] (II) systemd-logind: got pause for 13:65 [261624.925] (II) systemd-logind: got pause for 13:69 [261624.925] (II) systemd-logind: got pause for 226:0 [261624.925] (II) systemd-logind: got pause for 13:64 [261624.925] (II) systemd-logind: got pause for 13:66 [261624.926] (II) systemd-logind: got pause for 13:68 [261624.926] (II) systemd-logind: got pause for 13:67 So, no, I hadn't tried to switch consoles when those messages appeared. >> Have I mentioned that I installed TigerVNC on the system, then >> connected from a different one? In that situation, KDE starts fine. >> The problem is only on the main screen. > > This starts the session differently. How are you starting vnc and > KDE in this case. That might give a hint to why the other method > isn't working. Well, I'm certainly seeking hints. The VNC session got me to a blank screen image. I opened an xterm on it and ran startx. -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA +1 714 434 7359 d...@compata.com dhcl...@alumni.caltech.edu "Chaos theory explains why hindsight is indeed perfect." -- Owen McShane ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: KDE doesn't start after upgrade to Fedora 27
Ed Greshko wrote: >>> Is your system a desktop with a single monitor? A laptop with >>> external monitor? Or something else? >> It's a desktop with a single monitor. >> >>> If you do use either sddm or kdm do you get a login screen? Couldn't >>> hurt to try that as Samuel has suggested. >> Using kdm, I get exactly the same result. > >Sorry, would you clarify? > > You do get a login screen and then when you enter your PW you end > up with a black screen with a cursor you can move around? Yes. Exactly. -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA "'Always' and 'never' are two d...@compata.com, +1 714 434 7359words you should always remember dhcl...@alumni.caltech.edu never to use." --Wendell Johnson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: KDE doesn't start after upgrade to Fedora 27
Samuel Sieb wrote: >> Well, I'm certainly seeking hints. The VNC session got me to a >> blank screen image. I opened an xterm on it and ran startx. > > You what? You ran startx from within an X session? Well, it's been a few days. I agree that doesn't make sense. I'll try it again and post a clarification. -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA "I think there is a world market d...@compata.com, +1 714 434 7359for about five computers." dhcl...@alumni.caltech.edu -- Thomas J. Watson, 1945 ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: KDE doesn't start after upgrade to Fedora 27
Samuel Sieb wrote: >>>> Well, I'm certainly seeking hints. The VNC session got me to a >>>> blank screen image. I opened an xterm on it and ran startx. >>> >>> You what? You ran startx from within an X session? >> >> Well, it's been a few days. I agree that doesn't make sense. I'll >> try it again and post a clarification. Sorry about the confusion. There was indeed an xterm involved but it was where I started the VNC session; it was running on the remote deskop. VNC started directly in KDE as expected. >Also try running "systemctl isolate graphical". I generally run two VTs, VT1 is a text root console, VT2 is where I run startx under my own account. In this case, startx was hung on VT2 as I have previously described. I ran the isolate command from a remote login. The main screen immediately switched to a sddm login -- running on VT1. Each time I entered my password, it cleared for a moment, back to the root text console, then reappeared asking for password again. Even killing Xorg and sddm via the remote login did not terminate it. Meanwhile, the hung KDE on VT2 was unchanged. The sddm login initially showed Gnome as the default desktop, though it never got there. Changing the selection to Plasma changed the behavior slightly. Then after entering my password, nothing happened. Though the cursor continued to work, no selection had any effect. I rebooted to clear it. During this experiment, /etc/sysconfig/desktop contained, DESKTOP="KDE" DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE" -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA +1 714 434 7359 d...@compata.com dhcl...@alumni.caltech.edu "Words are too fragile to carry ideas." -- Dick Boyd ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: KDE doesn't start after upgrade to Fedora 27
Ed Greshko wrote: >>> You do get a login screen and then when you enter your PW you end >>> up with a black screen with a cursor you can move around? >> Yes. Exactly. > > OK then at that point the X-server is functioning normally. Would > it be possible to do the following? > > 1. Reboot the system to get to the login screen. > > 2. From a second system, ssh into the failing system, become root, > and "tail -f /var/log/Xorg.0.log" to see what was last entered. > > 3. Login from the GUI on failing system and then check the tail to > see if the "AIGLX: Suspending AIGLX clients for VT switch" appears > at that point. I did as described. In this case, the default target was graphical. The last thing in Xorg.0.log are messages about the keyboard hotkeys. After I entered my password, the KDE splash screen appeared with a working cursor. But instead of going to a black screen, it stayed on the splash screen. The Xorg.0.log did not change until I switched to VT2, then it showed both AIGLX suppended and resuming when I switched back to the hung VT1. -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA +1 714 434 7359 d...@compata.com dhcl...@alumni.caltech.edu "Everything that can be invented has been invented." -- Charles H. Duell, Commissioner, US Patent Office, 1899 ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: KDE doesn't start after upgrade to Fedora 27
Ed Greshko wrote: > Can you run "dnf distro-sync" just to make sure all packages are > at the most current level? Dependencies resolved. Nothing to do. -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA "'Always' and 'never' are two d...@compata.com, +1 714 434 7359words you should always remember dhcl...@alumni.caltech.edu never to use." --Wendell Johnson ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: KDE doesn't start after upgrade to Fedora 27
Ed Greshko wrote: > If you ssh into the failing system and run "top" does anything > seem odd? A process stuck at the top or hogging CPU? 99.7% idle. Occasionally, plasmashell or vncserver will show a few percent. Usually top itself is the big user. -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA "You can't turn shovelware into d...@compata.com, +1 714 434 7359reliable software by patching it dhcl...@alumni.caltech.edu a whole lot." -- Marcus Ranum ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: KDE doesn't start after upgrade to Fedora 27
Ed Greshko wrote: > Grasping at straws here > > Are you running vnc server as a systemd service that gets started > at boot time? I've never had a problem with thatbut if you're > doing that how about disabling it for a test. No, I started it from the command line. Recall that I had the same problem before I started using VNC. In fact, VNC is just a workaround so I can get practical work done using this machine. I have mixed feelings about your frustration. I'm certainly frustrated myself. But it feels slightly good that someone else is also baffled by the situation. I only wish there were someone who wasn't baffled and could tell me what is wrong. Thanks for all the help. -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA "Politics is the business of getting d...@compata.com, +1 714 434 7359power and privilege without dhcl...@alumni.caltech.edu possessing merit." - P. J. O'Rourke ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org
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Mike Wright wrote: >The manpage is confusing in this regard. It offers this: > > -a|--activate y|n|ay > >So, is that -a y and -a ay ? Dunno... Using parens to help clarify, that should be read as, ( -a | --activate ) ( y | n | ay ) -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA +1 714 434 7359 d...@compata.com dhcl...@alumni.caltech.edu "Being in politics is like being a football coach. You have to be smart enough to understand the game, and dumb enough to think it's important." -- Eugene McCarthy -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
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Frank Bures wrote: >For the record, the results of my experiments: >... >3. QEMU/KVM > >I downloaded open Android version 9 and ran it in a VM. It runs >perfectly. I could install EERO without any problems and all >functionality is there. It is very fast, the responses are almost >instantaneous. > >This is the solution I am sticking with. Thanks for this report, Frank. I'll check into Open Android. My interest in running Android on Fedora is because native Android has no automation mechanism. I want to run a specific app at specific times each day (cron) and step through some of the selection points, always the same ones in the same order (bash, perl, etc). This is because, as you mentioned earlier, many product vendors provide only an app to access or control their device, no web site is provided. I avoid such products, but sometimes there is no good alternative and sometimes I don't realize the deficiency until after purchase. I tried Waydroid. As you say, it looks nice and many apps work. But some selection points were simply not responsive for me. Maybe a bug, maybe intentional, but the effect made Waydroid useless for me. -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA +1 714 434 7359 d...@compata.com dhcl...@alumni.caltech.edu "If people never did silly things, nothing intelligent would ever get done." -- Ludwig Wittgenstein -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
DNF upgrade not upgrading my kernel
I can't make sense of this output, can you? # rpm -q kernel-core kernel-core-6.9.9-100.fc39.x86_64 kernel-core-6.9.12-200.fc40.x86_64 kernel-core-6.10.3-200.fc40.x86_64 # rpm -V kernel-core-6.10.3-200.fc40.x86_64 # dnf -y reinstall kernel-core-6.10.3-200.fc40.x86_64 Last metadata expiration check: 2:37:23 ago on Sun 11 Aug 2024 07:37:49 AM PDT. Dependencies resolved. PackageArchitecture Version Repository Size Reinstalling: kernel-corex86_646.10.3-200.fc40 updates 17 M Transaction Summary Total download size: 17 M Installed size: 69 M Downloading Packages: kernel-core-6.10.3-200.fc40.x86_64.rpm 6.4 MB/s | 17 MB 00:02 Total 5.5 MB/s | 17 MB 00:03 Running transaction check Transaction check succeeded. Running transaction test Transaction test succeeded. Running transaction Preparing:1/1 Reinstalling : kernel-core-6.10.3-200.fc40.x86_64 1/2 Running scriptlet: kernel-core-6.10.3-200.fc40.x86_64 1/2 Running scriptlet: kernel-core-6.10.3-200.fc40.x86_64 2/2 Cleanup : kernel-core-6.10.3-200.fc40.x86_64 2/2 Running scriptlet: kernel-core-6.10.3-200.fc40.x86_64 2/2 dkms: running auto installation service for kernel 6.10.3-200.fc40.x86_64 dkms: autoinstall for kernel 6.10.3-200.fc40.x86_64 Done. Reinstalled: kernel-core-6.10.3-200.fc40.x86_64 Complete! # rpm -V kernel-core-6.10.3-200.fc40.x86_64 # rpm -ql kernel-core-6.10.3-200.fc40.x86_64 /boot/.vmlinuz-6.10.3-200.fc40.x86_64.hmac /boot/System.map-6.10.3-200.fc40.x86_64 /boot/config-6.10.3-200.fc40.x86_64 /boot/initramfs-6.10.3-200.fc40.x86_64.img /boot/symvers-6.10.3-200.fc40.x86_64.xz /boot/vmlinuz-6.10.3-200.fc40.x86_64 /lib/modules /lib/modules/6.10.3-200.fc40.x86_64 /lib/modules/6.10.3-200.fc40.x86_64/.vmlinuz.hmac /lib/modules/6.10.3-200.fc40.x86_64/System.map /lib/modules/6.10.3-200.fc40.x86_64/config /lib/modules/6.10.3-200.fc40.x86_64/modules.builtin /lib/modules/6.10.3-200.fc40.x86_64/modules.builtin.modinfo /lib/modules/6.10.3-200.fc40.x86_64/symvers.xz /lib/modules/6.10.3-200.fc40.x86_64/vmlinuz /usr/share/licenses/kernel-core /usr/share/licenses/kernel-core/COPYING-6.10.3-200.fc40 # for x in $(rpm -ql kernel-core-6.10.3-200.fc40.x86_64); do ls -d $x; done /usr/bin/ls: cannot access '/boot/.vmlinuz-6.10.3-200.fc40.x86_64.hmac': No such file or directory /usr/bin/ls: cannot access '/boot/System.map-6.10.3-200.fc40.x86_64': No such file or directory /usr/bin/ls: cannot access '/boot/config-6.10.3-200.fc40.x86_64': No such file or directory /usr/bin/ls: cannot access '/boot/initramfs-6.10.3-200.fc40.x86_64.img': No such file or directory /boot/symvers-6.10.3-200.fc40.x86_64.xz /usr/bin/ls: cannot access '/boot/vmlinuz-6.10.3-200.fc40.x86_64': No such file or directory /lib/modules /lib/modules/6.10.3-200.fc40.x86_64 /lib/modules/6.10.3-200.fc40.x86_64/.vmlinuz.hmac /lib/modules/6.10.3-200.fc40.x86_64/System.map /lib/modules/6.10.3-200.fc40.x86_64/config /lib/modules/6.10.3-200.fc40.x86_64/modules.builtin /lib/modules/6.10.3-200.fc40.x86_64/modules.builtin.modinfo /lib/modules/6.10.3-200.fc40.x86_64/symvers.xz /lib/modules/6.10.3-200.fc40.x86_64/vmlinuz /usr/share/licenses/kernel-core /usr/share/licenses/kernel-core/COPYING-6.10.3-200.fc40 So, what happened to kernel 6.10.3-200? RPM -V says the package is complete but the files are not there! -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA +1 714 434 7359 d...@compata.com dhcl...@alumni.caltech.edu "One always speaks badly when one has nothing to say." -- Voltaire -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: DNF upgrade not upgrading my kernel
John Pilkington wrote: >On 11/08/2024 18:30, Dave Close wrote: >> I can't make sense of this output, can you? >> >> # rpm -q kernel-core >> kernel-core-6.9.9-100.fc39.x86_64 >> kernel-core-6.9.12-200.fc40.x86_64 >> kernel-core-6.10.3-200.fc40.x86_64 >That kernel runs for me, but I have romm for only two. And it runs for me, on other machines. >How big is /boot ? # df -h /boot Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/sda6 974M 549M 358M 61% /boot It is held at least three kernels in the past. -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA +1 714 434 7359 d...@compata.com dhcl...@alumni.caltech.edu "It will take more than an Act of Congress to persuade me that women and men are the same." - Oliver Wendell Holmes -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: DNF upgrade not upgrading my kernel
francis.montag...@inria.fr wrote: >On Sun, 11 Aug 2024 10:30:14 -0700 Dave Close wrote: > >> # dnf -y reinstall kernel-core-6.10.3-200.fc40.x86_64 > >> So, what happened to kernel 6.10.3-200? RPM -V says the package is >> complete but the files are not there! > >The missing files are ghost files (for RPM, see: > rpm -Vv kernel-core-6.10.3-200.fc40.x86_64 >) >and are normally build in posttrans. Thanks. I had never tried -Vv before. But rpm -qf (on another machine) says the kernel is part of this package so I was surprised that the package is installed but the file is not present. >It seems that a reinstall do not apply the posstrans script. > >Can you run it manually: > > /bin/kernel-install add 6.10.3-200.fc40.x86_64 \ > /lib/modules/6.10.3-200.fc40.x86_64/vmlinuz Yes, but the file is still not present. Of course, I could copy it from another machine but I'd really like to understand the problem. # /bin/kernel-install add 6.10.3-200.fc40.x86_64 \ /lib/modules/6.10.3-200.fc40.x86_64/vmlinuz dkms: running auto installation service for kernel 6.10.3-200.fc40.x86_64 dkms: autoinstall for kernel 6.10.3-200.fc40.x86_64 Done. # rpm -Vv kernel-core-6.10.3-200.fc40.x86_64 missing g /boot/.vmlinuz-6.10.3-200.fc40.x86_64.hmac missing g /boot/System.map-6.10.3-200.fc40.x86_64 missing g /boot/config-6.10.3-200.fc40.x86_64 missing g /boot/initramfs-6.10.3-200.fc40.x86_64.img . g /boot/symvers-6.10.3-200.fc40.x86_64.xz missing g /boot/vmlinuz-6.10.3-200.fc40.x86_64 ./lib/modules ./lib/modules/6.10.3-200.fc40.x86_64 ./lib/modules/6.10.3-200.fc40.x86_64/.vmlinuz.hmac ./lib/modules/6.10.3-200.fc40.x86_64/System.map ./lib/modules/6.10.3-200.fc40.x86_64/config ./lib/modules/6.10.3-200.fc40.x86_64/modules.builtin ./lib/modules/6.10.3-200.fc40.x86_64/modules.builtin.modinfo ./lib/modules/6.10.3-200.fc40.x86_64/symvers.xz ./lib/modules/6.10.3-200.fc40.x86_64/vmlinuz ./usr/share/licenses/kernel-core . l /usr/share/licenses/kernel-core/COPYING-6.10.3-200.fc40 -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA +1 714 434 7359 d...@compata.com dhcl...@alumni.caltech.edu "If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in five years there would be a shortage of sand." -- Milton Friedman -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: DNF upgrade not upgrading my kernel
Barry Scott wrote: >> On 12 Aug 2024, at 03:40, Dave Close wrote: >> >> # df -h /boot >> Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on >> /dev/sda6 974M 549M 358M 61% /boot >> >> It is held at least three kernels in the past. >That does seem to have a lot of space used. > >Here is mine that has 3 kernels. > >$ df -h /boot >Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on >/dev/sda3 974M 265M 642M 30% /boot > >What does `du -sh /boot` show? # du -sh /boot 549M/boot # du -sh /boot/* 268K/boot/config-6.9.9-100.fc39.x86_64 307M/boot/efi 1.1M/boot/extlinux 16K /boot/flask 11M /boot/grub2 150M/boot/initramfs-0-rescue-7cf63543075b47d48d09f1649641c3a1.img 41M /boot/initramfs-6.9.9-100.fc39.x86_64.img 20K /boot/loader 16K /boot/lost+found 148K/boot/memtest86+x64.bin 164K/boot/symvers-6.10.3-200.fc40.x86_64.xz 160K/boot/symvers-6.9.12-200.fc40.x86_64.xz 160K/boot/symvers-6.9.9-100.fc39.x86_64.xz 8.7M/boot/System.map-6.9.9-100.fc39.x86_64 15M /boot/vmlinuz-0-rescue-7cf63543075b47d48d09f1649641c3a1 16M /boot/vmlinuz-6.9.9-100.fc39.x86_64 4.0K/boot/xen-4.18.2.config 1.2M/boot/xen-4.18.2.gz Comparing your list to mine, I was struck by the size of /boot/efi. The size of mine is inflated by one directory of 288M, /boot/efi/7cf63543075b47d48d09f1649641c3a1. I don't know what that is or why it's there. But the contents look suggestive: # ls -lR /boot/efi/7cf63543075b47d48d09f1649641c3a1 /boot/efi/7cf63543075b47d48d09f1649641c3a1: total 16 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2024-07-20 19:03 0-rescue drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2024-08-13 09:42 6.10.3-200.fc40.x86_64 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2024-08-01 04:04 6.9.12-200.fc40.x86_64 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2024-07-20 19:03 7.00 /boot/efi/7cf63543075b47d48d09f1649641c3a1/0-rescue: total 188184 -rw--- 1 root root 176793402 2024-07-20 19:03 initrd -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 15898984 2024-07-20 19:02 linux /boot/efi/7cf63543075b47d48d09f1649641c3a1/6.10.3-200.fc40.x86_64: total 53844 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 39122311 2024-08-13 09:42 initrd -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 16009576 2024-08-13 09:42 linux /boot/efi/7cf63543075b47d48d09f1649641c3a1/6.9.12-200.fc40.x86_64: total 52776 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 38149613 2024-08-01 04:04 initrd -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 15890792 2024-08-01 04:04 linux /boot/efi/7cf63543075b47d48d09f1649641c3a1/7.00: total 0 >> dkms: running auto installation service for kernel 6.10.3-200.fc40.x86_64 >> dkms: autoinstall for kernel 6.10.3-200.fc40.x86_64 Done. > >What are you using dkms for? I wonder if that is causing your issue? > >I see you did the dnf reinstall and that also had the dkms messages. I don't know why dkms is there. Must have been part of the initial installation or an update. However, "dnf remove dkms" and then running "dnf reinstall" did not fix the problem. It certainly seems as though the installation of the last two kernels got put into the efi directory. How could that happen? -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA "Genius may have its limitations, d...@compata.com, +1 714 434 7359but stupidity is not thus dhcl...@alumni.caltech.edu handicapped." --Elbert Hubbard -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: DNF upgrade not upgrading my kernel
"Jonathan Billings" wrote: >I suspect I know why this happened. > >Do you have the "sdubby" or "systemd-boot-unsigned" package installed >(which brings in sdubby)? > >The sdubby package installs an /etc/kernel/install.conf that >tells the kernel-install script that runs in the kernel-core >%post to install kernels and initrds in /boot/efi/$MACHINE_ID/. >(Where $MACHINE_ID is from the contents of /etc/machine-id). > >This is something that systemd-boot uses, and I'm not sure why >it happens, but some dependency seems to pull that package in for >some people. > >Backing it out simply means you need to uninstall the sdubby package >and re-run the kernel-install command, or more simply, reinstall >the kernel-core package. Once that's done, it will do the normal >GRUB2 boot method of putting filesinto /boot/ and blscfg entries >in /boot/loader/entries/. That worked! Thanks! Now I'll try to go back through my logs and try to see when sdubby got installed and why. -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA "There is no security on this earth. d...@compata.com, +1 714 434 7359There is only opportunity." dhcl...@alumni.caltech.edu -- Douglas MacArthur -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: DNF upgrade not upgrading my kernel
I wrote: >Now I'll try to go back through my logs and try to see when sdubby >got installed and why. Jonathan Billings wrote: >Once you've verified it boots into new kernels, feel free to delete >the /boot/efi/$MACHINE_ID and /boot/efi/entries directory, so you >aren't wasting space on the EFI volume or preventing any future >attempts at booting from those files. I can't tell when sdubby got installed. My logs go back about six months but the only references to sdubby are "upgraded". I also found that, even reinstalling kernels did not completely fix the contents of /boot until after I had deleted /boot/efi entirely. (Well, actually, just moved it elsewhere. To be deleted eventually.) -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA +1 714 434 7359 d...@compata.com dhcl...@alumni.caltech.edu "Politics have no relation to morals." -- Niccolo Machiavelli -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Secondary SSH
I have several local machines that, while working, I frequently use ssh
to do something on a different machine. While on that second machine,
I may even use ssh to do something on a third machine. All of this
works exactly as it should.
If I use JuiceSSH on my Android phone to contact one of my local
machines, that also works well. But if, while connected, I try
to start an ssh session to a different local machine, it simply
times out. The last message seen with "ssh -vvv" is, "debug3:
ssh_get_authentication_socket_path:". Up to that point, the output
of "ssh -vvv" is identical when running successfully between two
local machines without using JuiceSSH.
If instead of trying to start an ssh session immediately upon
connecting with JuiceSSH, I first use sudo to become root on the
local machine and then try to ssh to another local machine, that works
perfectly (provided, of course, that the second machine permits root
ssh login). The second ssh session also works if I simply run "sudo
su {me} -c ssh" so becoming root isn't the key.
Summary:
JuiceSSH -> user@machine1 -> user@machine2 :: FAILS
JuiceSSH -> user@machine1 -> sudo on machine1 -> user@machine2 :: WORKS
I've examined the output of the set command for all of these situations
and can't find any variables that are different that seem relevant. (Of
course, $PPID and similar variables are different.) Can anyone suggest
what could be the issue? Or what other tests might be helpful?
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Re: Secondary SSH
Jeffrey Walton wrote: >At this point, I would visit each machine and: > > mkdir -p ~/.ssh > chown -R dclose:dclose ~/.ssh > chmod -R o-rwx ~/.ssh That would be guaranteed to cause failure. For example, my private keys cannot have 0777 permissions! -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA "You can only be young once d...@compata.com, +1 714 434 7359but you can be immature forever." dhcl...@alumni.caltech.edu -- Dave Barry -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Secondary SSH
I wrote:
>I have several local machines that, while working, I frequently use ssh
>to do something on a different machine. While on that second machine,
>I may even use ssh to do something on a third machine. All of this
>works exactly as it should.
>
>If I use JuiceSSH on my Android phone to contact one of my local
>machines, that also works well. But if, while connected, I try
>to start an ssh session to a different local machine, it simply
>times out. The last message seen with "ssh -vvv" is, "debug3:
>ssh_get_authentication_socket_path:". Up to that point, the output
>of "ssh -vvv" is identical when running successfully between two
>local machines without using JuiceSSH.
>
>If instead of trying to start an ssh session immediately upon
>connecting with JuiceSSH, I first use sudo to become root on the
>local machine and then try to ssh to another local machine, that works
>perfectly (provided, of course, that the second machine permits root
>ssh login). The second ssh session also works if I simply run "sudo
>su {me} -c ssh" so becoming root isn't the key.
>
>Summary:
> JuiceSSH -> user@machine1 -> user@machine2 :: FAILS
> JuiceSSH -> user@machine1 -> sudo on machine1 -> user@machine2 :: WORKS
>
>I've examined the output of the set command for all of these situations
>and can't find any variables that are different that seem relevant. (Of
>course, $PPID and similar variables are different.) Can anyone suggest
>what could be the issue? Or what other tests might be helpful?
The solution was provided through the openssh mailing list. I've added
an alias to my system and will use it when connecting from JuiceSSH:
alias xssh="unset SSH_AUTH_SOCK; ssh"
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Re: Dual boot failure after Windows update?
Tim via users wrote: >> Microsoft's August security update included a patch to prevent >> vulnerable GRUB2 (susceptible to bypassing UEFI secure boot) >> installations from booting. >Hmm, would they prevent their own system from booting if it had (yet >another) security flaw? > >Perhaps they should. There are various kinds of security. Consider that cars these days are basically phones on wheels. Software is updated over the air without the user even being aware. How would you like to own a car with a security flaw that prevented it from starting when you were trying to evacuate from a wildfire? -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA "Life would be tragic d...@compata.com, +1 714 434 7359if it weren't funny." dhcl...@alumni.caltech.edu-- Stephen Hawking -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Metamail
This doesn't seem right. With Fedora 13: $ yum info mailcap Installed Packages Name: mailcap Arch: noarch Version : 2.1.33 Release : 1.fc13 Size: 54 k Repo: installed >From repo : updates Summary : Helper application and MIME type associations for file types URL : http://git.fedoraproject.org/git/mailcap.git License : Public Domain and MIT Description : The mailcap file is used by the metamail program. Metamail reads : the mailcap file to determine how it should display non-text or : multimedia material. Basically, mailcap associates a particular : type of file with a particular program that a mail agent or other : program can call in order to handle the file. Mailcap should be : installed to allow certain programs to be able to handle non-text : files. : : Also included in this package is the mime.types file which : contains a list of MIME types and their filename "extension" : associations, used by several applications e.g. to determine MIME : types for filenames. $ yum --enablerepo=* list metamail Error: No matching Packages to list $ yum --enablerepo=* provides */metamail No Matches found Certainly, mailcap is used by programs other than metamail. But the description seems to imply that metamail is the primary user. So, where is metamail? -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA +1 714 434 7359 d...@compata.com dhcl...@alumni.caltech.edu "Email is the 'file system' for people that aren't geeks. IMAP is NFS for your mom." --Tom Limoncelli -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: Metamail
Ed Greshko wrote: >> Certainly, mailcap is used by programs other than metamail. But the >> description seems to imply that metamail is the primary user. So, where= >> is metamail? > >metamail hasn't been packaged in a long timeat least before F11. It >is *old* and no longer maintained by anyone. Well, then, "anyone" ought to update the info for mailcap -- at least. But metamail doesn't need maintenance so long as it still works, and I have no reason to think it doesn't work. -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA +1 714 434 7359 d...@compata.com dhcl...@alumni.caltech.edu "Excess on occasion is exhilarating. It prevents moderation from acquiring the deadening effect of a habit." -- W. Somerset Maugham -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Re: confirm 54c5ec0c1760e22625ac92a4094bf4b4b2b533a9
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Fedora archive repository corrupted?
F21 doesn't appear to be in the archive, only in the current download site, although I thought F21 was EOL. When I try to access it, I get this response. http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/21/Everything/x86_64/os/repodata/repomd. xml: [Errno -1] Error importing repomd.xml for fedora: Damaged repomd.xml file http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/21/Everything/x86_64/os/repodata/repomd. xml: [Errno -1] Error importing repomd.xml for fedora: Damaged repomd.xml file I've cleaned my own local metadata. -- Dave Close "Technology has the shelf life of a banana." - Scott McNealy -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: Fedora archive repository corrupted?
Kevin Fenzi wrote: >> http://download.fedoraproject.org/pub/fedora/linux/releases/21/Everything/x86_64/os/repodata/repomd.xml: >> [Errno -1] Error importing repomd.xml for fedora: Damaged repomd.xml file >Try using the metalink instead of the baseurl and make sure time is set >right on your machine. It failed the same way on a dozen mirrors but then found a good one. -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA +1 714 434 7359 d...@compata.com dhcl...@alumni.caltech.edu "The world will little note nor long remember what we say here." -- Abraham Lincoln, Gettysburg, 1863 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
PXE Fedora 23 with Anaconda 20?
I've been trying to get a new working PXE installation for F23 and it
isn't working. I just noticed what might be the problem. Although
I downloaded the vmlinuz and initrd.img from the F23 server
version archive, when the installation starts it shows F20 in the
upper-right and checking via Alt-F2 shows that it is Anaconda v20
that's running. What could be responsible for that? What part of my
PXE configuration might be wrong?
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F24 CUPS error_log file
I'm getting an error trying to print with Fedora 24 x86_64. The syslog message says, "Job stopped due to filter errors; please consult the error_log file for details." The CUPS interface on port 631 says, "Filter failed". The journal doesn't seem to have any useful information at all. But without more details, I'm stuck trying to fix this problem. None of the files in /var/log/cups have been updated in a year or more. So just where is this "error_log file"? Looking around online, I find a few others reporting a similar problem, though with a different printer model. But I don't find any answers. If, after I find the error log, I still can't fix things, I'll send another message with details about the printer, but that isn't my question just now. I just want to find the error log. -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA "Politics is the business of getting d...@compata.com, +1 714 434 7359power and privilege without dhcl...@alumni.caltech.edu possessing merit." - P. J. O'Rourke -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA +1 714 434 7359 d...@compata.com dhcl...@alumni.caltech.edu "Though the people support the government, the government should not support the people." -- Grover Cleveland -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F24 CUPS error_log file
I wrote: > I'm getting an error trying to print with Fedora 24 x86_64. The syslog > message says, "Job stopped due to filter errors; please consult the > error_log file for details." The CUPS interface on port 631 says, > "Filter failed". The journal doesn't seem to have any useful > information at all. > > But without more details, I'm stuck trying to fix this problem. None > of the files in /var/log/cups have been updated in a year or more. So > just where is this "error_log file"? > > Looking around online, I find a few others reporting a similar problem, > though with a different printer model. But I don't find any answers. If, > after I find the error log, I still can't fix things, I'll send another > message with details about the printer, but that isn't my question just > now. I just want to find the error log. "geo.inbox.ignored" replied: >after checking, this is how you get to logs; > http://localhost:631/ > CUPS for Administrators > cupsd.conf Reference > > http://localhost:631/help/ref-cupsd-conf.html >along right side you will find; > Online Help Documents > References > cupsd.conf > ErrorLog >to have logs created, be sure you have correct levels set; > http://localhost:631/help/ref-cupsd-conf.html#LogLevel Thanks for the reply but that doesn't help. I have logging set to debug but there is no log file, anywhere, and certainly not in the standard location, /var/log/cups. It's not hard to run "find / -name error_log"; I have and the file does not exist. From the absence of any other responses, I presume no one knows where the error log went. I guess it's time to open Bugzilla. -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA +1 714 434 7359 d...@compata.com dhcl...@alumni.caltech.edu "Email is the 'file system' for people that aren't geeks. IMAP is NFS for your mom." --Tom Limoncelli -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F24 CUPS error_log file
Samuel Sieb wrote: >"journalctl -t cupsd" gives me a reasonable amount of details. I assume >setting LogLevel to debug in cupsd.conf would give you more. Well, it turns out I can get some data from the journal. I find it misleading that the cupsd.conf file says the error log goes to "syslog" when it really means the journal. If I change it to "/var/log/cups/error_log", things return to normal. -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA +1 714 434 7359 d...@compata.com dhcl...@alumni.caltech.edu "Everything that can be invented has been invented." -- Charles H. Duell, Commissioner, US Patent Office, 1899 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Default mailto application on Fedora 17
I'm running Fedora 17 with the KDE desktop. KDE's system settings
("control panel") claims the default mailto application is Kmail. And,
since Gnome is still present, I see that it thinks the default mailto
application is Evolution. I don't see anything in /etc/alternatives
that seems relevant to a mailto handler.
Firefox says, "Firefox normally uses your operating
system's default mail program to send an e-mail message."
<http://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/change-program-used-open-email-links>)
But Firefox says the default handler is Thunderbird. Where the hell is
Firefox finding that value? And Firefox doesn't offer either of the
other two "defaults", Kmail or Evolution, as options (except through
the "other program" mechanism).
Can anyone explain what's going on?
I'd like to change the mailto handler. But I need to pass some arguments
to my program and Firefox doesn't offer that ability itself. To get that
ability, I need to be able to change the system default so that Firefox
recognizes the change. But where is Firefox finding the "default"?
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Re: Default mailto application on Fedora 17
I wrote:
>I'm running Fedora 17 with the KDE desktop. KDE's system settings
>("control panel") claims the default mailto application is Kmail. And,
>since Gnome is still present, I see that it thinks the default mailto
>application is Evolution. I don't see anything in /etc/alternatives
>that seems relevant to a mailto handler.
>
>Firefox says, "Firefox normally uses your operating
>system's default mail program to send an e-mail message."
><http://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/change-program-used-open-email-links>)
>But Firefox says the default handler is Thunderbird. Where the hell is
>Firefox finding that value? And Firefox doesn't offer either of the
>other two "defaults", Kmail or Evolution, as options (except through
>the "other program" mechanism).
>
>Can anyone explain what's going on?
Seemed like a simple question. But, as happened to me previously, it seems
I can't be sufficiently clear to get a clear answer.
Aaron Konstam wrote:
>In Gnome you change the Defaults in:
> Applications-:System Tools->System Settings-> Defaults. Something
>similar should be in KDE,
Ed Greshko wrote:
>In firefox, go to "Edit--->Preferences" and then choose "Applications".
>There you will find the "mailto" Content type. You can click on "Use
>Other" and then select whatever application you want.
Gentlemen, please re-read my first paragraph above. I know how to change
those values. And I know how they're set. What I want to know is why
Firefox is, apparently, ignoring its own stated policy, and how to make
it do what it says it already does, but doesn't.
Again, can anyone explain what's going on? Is there some other place
that Firefox looks to discover the "system default"?
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Re: Default mailto application on Fedora 17
If I understood Ed Greshko correctly, we have this situation. Who XDGGnome setting KDE setting TB Firefox "default" Me ?? Evolution Kmailyes Thunderbird Ed Claws Evolution Kmailno Evolution Ed Claws ThunderbirdKmailyes Evolution Ed TB ThunderbirdKmailyes Claws Ed TB ThunderbirdKmailyes Thunderbird Somebody working on Firefox ought to clarify or fix the help page. -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA "Why would you want to control d...@compata.com, +1 714 434 7359quality? Let it run rampant." dhcl...@alumni.caltech.edu- Dan Neilson -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
F16 USB pass-through to VirtualBox
I have no previous experience with VirtualBox but have been trying to use it for the last couple of weeks. Now I'm having what ought to be a simple problem, but I'm stuck. I can't get a VBox guest to see a connected USB flash drive. Host: Fedora 16 Guest: Fedora 8 VirtualBox: 4.1.8 with (the only) extension Host uses a USB keyboard and mouse which are attached normally during boot and are visible and useable by both the host and the guest. However, I'm usually running the guest headless. A VBox blank USB "filter" is installed. When connecting a flash drive, the host immediately reports detection but the guest does not see anything. These are the only USB devices anticipated. Host /var/log/messages extract: Feb 18 20:37:04 sunvale kernel: [ 208.186078] usb 1-5: new high-speed USB device number 4 using ehci_hcd Feb 18 20:37:04 sunvale kernel: [ 208.304139] usb 1-5: New USB device found, id Vendor=0dd8, id Product=c100 Feb 18 20:37:04 sunvale kernel: [ 208.304148] usb 1-5: New USB device strings: Mfr=2, Product=1, SerialNumber=3 Feb 18 20:37:04 sunvale kernel: [ 208.304156] usb 1-5: Product: USB Flash Disk Feb 18 20:37:04 sunvale kernel: [ 208.304162] usb 1-5: Manufacturer: Netac Feb 18 20:37:04 sunvale kernel: [ 208.304167] usb 1-5: SerialNumber: 4880787365A536E3 Feb 18 20:37:04 sunvale kernel: [ 208.304980] scsi5 : usb-storage 1-5:1.0 Feb 18 20:37:04 sunvale mtp-probe: checking bus 1, device 4: "/sys/devices/pci:00/:00:12.2/usb1/1-5" Feb 18 20:37:04 sunvale mtp-probe: bus: 1, device: 4 was not an MTP device Feb 18 20:37:05 sunvale kernel: [ 209.308678] scsi 5:0:0:0: Direct-Access NetacOnlyDisk 1.00 PQ: 0 ANSI: 2 Feb 18 20:37:05 sunvale kernel: [ 209.311032] sd 5:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg6 type 0 Feb 18 20:37:05 sunvale kernel: [ 209.649594] sd 5:0:0:0: [sdf] Assuming drive cache: write through Feb 18 20:37:05 sunvale kernel: [ 209.649602] sd 5:0:0:0: [sdf] Attached SCSI removable disk There are no new lines added to /var/log/messages on the guest. (Yes, the flash drive referenced here is ancient. It is just a test device.) Further information: # VBoxManage list usbhost Host USB Devices: ... UUID: c85d93b6-59a0-43b2-a347-e4f2d52dd924 VendorId: 0x0dd8 (0DD8) ProductId: 0xc100 (C100) Revision: 1.0 (0100) Manufacturer: Netac Product:USB Flash Disk SerialNumber: 4880787365A536E3 Address: sysfs:/sys/devices/pci:00/:00:12.2/usb1/1-5//device:/dev/vboxusb/001/0 04 Current State: Busy The VBox manual seems to say that USB pass-through will not work if the USB device is actively used by the host. I presume this attachment constitutes active use, especially since it is reported as busy, but the drive is not mounted. (I have explicitly disabled auto-mount.) What do I need to do to let this device (and any other USB flash drives inserted) be seen by the guest? Searching online finds only references to using auto-mount on the host, then sharing the mount directory with the guest. That is not an ideal solution in this case as software on the guest expects to mount the drive and would need to be extensively modified. Besides, I hate auto-mount. The issue is the flash drive. What can't the guest see it? -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA "You can't turn shovelware into d...@compata.com, +1 714 434 7359reliable software by patching it dhcl...@alumni.caltech.edu a whole lot." -- Marcus Ranum -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F16 USB pass-through to VirtualBox
Emilio Lopez wrote: >You can also use Shared Folder, and share /media directory. You know, I appreciate replies. But it would be so much nicer if those replying took the time to actually read the original message. I specifically addressed the idea of using a shared "folder" in that. I know its possible but I don't want to do that. I want VBox to work as advertised. I also said that this may not really be a VBox problem. It may be just that Fedora is capturing the device so it is "busy" and not available to the guest. Let me try this again: What can I do to stop Fedora from making the device busy? -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA +1 714 434 7359 d...@compata.com dhcl...@alumni.caltech.edu "Quantum computing is a marvelous way to show the non- intuitive nature of quantum mechanics." -Gordon Moore -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F16 USB pass-through to VirtualBox
Richard Shaw wrote: >One thing you didn't mention is if you right clicked on the USB icon >in the bottom right of the virtual guest window. USB devices don't >automatically get mapped to the guest unless you set it that way in >the virtual guest settings. If everything is setup correctly, when you >right click on the USB icon you should see your device in the list and >be able to select it. Thank you !!! That does make the flash disk visible to the guest. I had not tried that. Recall I'm usually running the guest headless so I don't even see that menu. When I started in non-headless mode, it works. But, while this shows that the pass-through can work, it doesn't really solve my problem. There doesn't appear to be any checkbox in the VBox settings to make this automatic. And running headless, I won't normally be able to do it. There must be some command I can run in the guest to accomplish the same thing as the USB device menu. Perhaps I can put that command in the guest's rc.local. -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA +1 714 434 7359 d...@compata.com dhcl...@alumni.caltech.edu "Political campaigns are the graveyard of real ideas and the birthplace of empty promises." -- Teresa Heinz Kerry -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F16 USB pass-through to VirtualBox
Ed Greshko wrote: >> There doesn't appear to be any checkbox in the VBox settings to make >> this automatic. And running headless, I won't normally be able to do >> it. There must be some command I can run in the guest to accomplish the >> same thing as the USB device menu. Perhaps I can put that command in >> the guest's rc.local. > >To attach a usb drive to my system I use... >VBoxManage controlvm F16-1 usbattach f6273fd2-4176-43dc-9e5b-11ce45b6b7d4 >is that the kind of command you are looking for? Perhaps. I was thinking of something to run in the guest since that's where the checkbox seems to be. But maybe I'm just a bit naive. To run this on the host, I would need to detect when a drive is inserted, read its UUID, and then run the command. Is that the idea? I presume you aren't doing it automatically. I can probably find a way to do this whenever a drive is inserted. But others may have better ideas so I'd love to hear suggestions. -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA "You can't go to Windows Update d...@compata.com, +1 714 434 7359and get a patch for stupidity." dhcl...@alumni.caltech.edu -- Kevin Mitnick -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: F16 USB pass-through to VirtualBox
Ed Greshko wrote: >I "think" I may know what you want > >What you need to do is define a "USB" filter. When the "guest" is >started or when the device matching the filter is plugged in it will be >automatically connected to the guest. > >Of course you need to be careful, if you have multiple guests you can't >have the same filters. I thought the same thing. As I read the documentation, that's exactly what a filter is supposed to do. But I have a "blank" filter, which claims it will connect any USB device, and that doesn't happen. My guest doesn't see the device until I select it in the guest menu. It's that problem which prompted my initial request for help. In my case, I have only one guest. I'm only running VBox because the application won't run on a recent Fedora release and the hardware won't work with an old release. Solution, run the old release as a guest under the new release. But the application needs to use the flash drive. -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA "Genius may have its limitations, d...@compata.com, +1 714 434 7359but stupidity is not thus dhcl...@alumni.caltech.edu handicapped." --Elbert Hubbard -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
compat-gcc-32
How is it possible that Fedora 16 includes package
compat-gcc-32-3.2.3-debuginfo.i686.rpm but does not appear to include
the underlying compat-gcc-32-3.2.3.i686.rpm? To what does the debuginfo
package pertain (it says, "This package provides debug information for
package compat-gcc-32.")? Should I be looking somewhere other than the
Fedora repositories to find it?
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Re: compat-gcc-32
I'm stunned that no one on this list has any thought about an apparent inconsistency in the Fedora repositories. Perhaps you have a suggestion of a better place to ask? I wrote: >How is it possible that Fedora 16 includes package >compat-gcc-32-3.2.3-debuginfo.i686.rpm but does not appear to include >the underlying compat-gcc-32-3.2.3.i686.rpm? To what does the debuginfo >package pertain (it says, "This package provides debug information for >package compat-gcc-32.")? Should I be looking somewhere other than the >Fedora repositories to find it? -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA "Politics is the business of getting d...@compata.com, +1 714 434 7359power and privilege without dhcl...@alumni.caltech.edu possessing merit." - P. J. O'Rourke -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: http://ask.fedoraproject.org
Re: dnf disable-repo???
ToddAndMargo via users wrote: >Now what am I doing wrong? > >[WineHQ] >name=WineHQ packages >type=rpm-md >baseurl=https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/fedora/40 >gpgcheck=1 >gpgkey=https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/winehq.key >enabled=1 > ># dnf upgrade --allowerasing --disablerepo="WineHQ packages" >No repository match: WineHQ >No repository match: packages 'dnf repolist' will tell you the correct names. -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA "You can only be young once d...@compata.com, +1 714 434 7359but you can be immature forever." dhcl...@alumni.caltech.edu -- Dave Barry -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Screen saver no longer working
Andreas Fournier wrote: >After a recent update I noticed that the screen no longer goes dark >after a time of inactivity. I checked the settings and they are as >before. > >Any way to get it back working? I confirm that I've seen the same behavior. F40 x86_64 KDE. -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA +1 714 434 7359 d...@compata.com dhcl...@alumni.caltech.edu "A company will get nowhere if all of the thinking is left to management." -- Akio Morita -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: CentOS - what to use now that CentOS 7 is EOL
Tim wrote:
>You'd think (you'd wish) they'd get snared by the original release not
>being "fit for purpose" being against several laws that obligated them
>to providing something that was, and didn't let them weasel out after
>some arbitrary time limit.
>
>We have such laws about real products. You buy a hammer, it has to do
>what a hammer is supposed to do, and last for a reasonable time for
>that product at its price.
>
>Similarly, if you buy a database, you ought to be able to expect to do
>what a database is supposed to do, and work according to its
>instructions...
>
>But if you actually try to pin a supplier down to the laws regarding
>faulty products, even when it's demonstrably failing right there in
>front of you, them, and witnesses, some companies fight tooth and nail
>and blatantly break the law to escape their responsibilities.
>
>Unfortunately everyone's got used to bad software, and computer
>hardware, and nobody throws it back at their retailer for a refund. If
>everyone returned dud computing products the same way that they
>wouldn't accept a dishwasher that didn't work, they'd actually have to
>release properly working products to stay in business.
The difficulty comes in defining "what {it} is supposed to do". If I
buy an IC measuring less than 0.2 cm2, I get (or can get) hundreds of
pages of documentation on what it does and does not do, exactly how it
does those things, and test results. If I buy a piece of software as
complex as a database, I get something called "getting started" and
that's it. How can you prove they didn't do what they promised when
they never really promised anything?
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Re: dnf-system-upgrade to Fedora 41 is Ok
Is it still true that stock F41 does not include the ability to run X11? I'm stuck until Wayland has a way to invoke Firefox from a cron job. -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA "Tact is insulting a man without d...@compata.com, +1 714 434 7359his knowing it." dhcl...@alumni.caltech.edu -- John "Jackie" Fisher -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
F41 DNF bogus error
# dnf -y install pkg1 pkg2 pkg3 Updating and loading repositories: ... Repositories loaded. Failed to resolve the transaction: No match for argument: pkg3 You can try to add to command line: --skip-unavailable to skip unavailable packages # dnf -y --skip-unavailable install pkg1 pkg2 pkg3 Unknown argument "--skip-unavailable" for command "dnf5". Add "--help" for more information about the arguments. Obviously, DNF should not tell a user to use an option that isn't actually available... -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA +1 714 434 7359 d...@compata.com dhcl...@alumni.caltech.edu "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." -- Pablo Picasso -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: F41 DNF bogus error
Go Canes wrote: >I wrote: >> # dnf -y --skip-unavailable install pkg1 pkg2 pkg3 >> Unknown argument "--skip-unavailable" for command "dnf5". >First, I agree the "helpful" message could and should be better. > >... options are going to be positional relative to the >commands. Until "install" is encountered on the command line, there >*Is no* "--skip-unavailable" option. Likewise, it might not accept >"-y" *after* "install". Thank you. I have read about the change to parameter sequence but it hasn't yet become an ingrained habit. Soon perhaps... -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA "A great many people seem to d...@compata.com, +1 714 434 7359delight most in what they least dhcl...@alumni.caltech.edu understand." -- William Hogarth -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Broken browser? Or broken website...
Accessing a page on <https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/>, I am
presented with a banner reading, "Unfortunately, your browser is
unsupported. Please switch to a supported browser to view rich content,
log in and reply." I am unable to scroll beyond the portion of the
page immediately visible.
But, of course, I didn't ask for any support. I recognize that my
browsers of choice may not properly render some web sites that choose
to use some newer facilities. ("rich content", indeed! I'd be very happy
without "rich" content.) If I'm stuck, I can use a different browser;
I know how to do that.
I wouldn't object to a banner warning me that some parts of the site
might not render properly on my browser. But fedoraproject.org takes
things further by refusing to allow the entire page to load. I resent
their patronizing and holier-than-thou attitude.
Unfortunately, fedoraproject.org is not the only place I've encountered
this abomination. What gives the administrators of these places their
special rights to control the rest of us?
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startx equivalent for Wayland
I detest a graphical login and insist on running in multi-user mode (old runlevel 3). To start an X11 session after login, I can use the startx command. But I haven't found an equivalent command to start a Wayland session. An old post on this list suggests using weston-launch. But dnf says there is no package that includes such a command and I can't find any other weston command that looks likely. Surely I can't be the only one wanting to start from a command line? (The target is a system running 64-bit F38 fully updated.) -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA +1 714 434 7359 d...@compata.com dhcl...@alumni.caltech.edu "Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you." - Pericles ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: startx equivalent for Wayland
I asked: > I detest a graphical login and insist on running in multi-user mode > (old runlevel 3). To start an X11 session after login, I can use the > startx command. But I haven't found an equivalent command to start a > Wayland session. > > An old post on this list suggests using weston-launch. But dnf says > there is no package that includes such a command and I can't find any > other weston command that looks likely. Surely I can't be the only one > wanting to start from a command line? Samuel Sieb wrote: >You need to start the desktop you want to run. e.g. gnome-shell Thanks. So there is no equivalent of /etc/sysconfig/desktop? Personally, I prefer KDE. I can eliminate most of the "icons" and similar junk and just manage using things I can read (though it does take some effort to disable that stuff). -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA "There is no security on this earth. d...@compata.com, +1 714 434 7359There is only opportunity." dhcl...@alumni.caltech.edu -- Douglas MacArthur ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
multi-user vs graphical mode (was startx equivalent for Wayland)
I wrote: > I detest a graphical login and insist on running in multi-user mode > (old runlevel 3). To start an X11 session after login, I can use the > startx command. But I haven't found an equivalent command to start a > Wayland session. Tim via users wrote: >I don't really see the advantage in not starting a desktop session, >just to log in, then starting one afterwards. There must be something >I'm missing. If you want to change the subject, you should change the subject line. The principal advantage is that I get to see what the system is doing during boot and login. I strongly dislike any interface that tries to make things "simple" by hiding what it does. I don't trust things that are hidden from view. And I've probably used computers longer than most of us, having started with an IBM 7094 and an 029 keypunch. There are certainly good use cases for a graphic application, especially for things I don't do often and don't remember the tricks. But every graphic system has its own ways whereas the command line uses only things on a standard keyboard. Most of us know the words, "file", and, "save", but when was the last time anyone here used a manila folder or a floppy disk? (Don't tell me about "hover" to discover the meaning of some silly picture. That's just extra work, and tedious besides when searching through dozens of pictures for the one needed.) -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA +1 714 434 7359 d...@compata.com dhcl...@alumni.caltech.edu "I am patient with stupidity but not with those who are proud of it." -- Edith Sitwell ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Thunderbird 115 FC 38
Tim wrote: > Adam Mercer wrote: >> I've been using some of the earlier 115.x builds that showed up >> for F38 witout issue. This morning I built 115.2.2, from the F39 >> source RPM using mock, and so far it's been running without issue... > >Well, I might disagree. Your message was extremely scrambled by the >GPG/PGP process. > >What I see is mostly unhandled MIME coming through raw. Headers in the >message body, mangled body content, undecoded signature MIME content, >then two PGP attachments, etc. The problem could be your Evolution. Adam's message seemed just fine when I saw it using exmh. -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA +1 714 434 7359 d...@compata.com dhcl...@alumni.caltech.edu The most likely way for the world to be destroyed, most experts agree, is by accident. That's where we come in; we're computer professionals. We cause accidents. -- Nathaniel Borenstein ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Upgrading to Fedora 38: Misleading 'verify' instructions
Barry Scott wrote:
>What exactly did you do that got this error message?
>How can I reproduce this?
To me, the first important question is, is the file actually defective
(17 improperly formatted lines) or is the message bogus?
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Re: iPad file backup?
Tim via users wrote: >Also, I've found routers to have woefully underpowered CPUs, barely >managing to handle modest internet traffic. Not to mention the >primitive configuration options available to you. What the consumer world calls a router is barely worthy of the term. Why not invest a surprising small amount in a real router like the Ubiquiti Edgerouter X? -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA +1 714 434 7359 d...@compata.com dhcl...@alumni.caltech.edu "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." -- Pablo Picasso ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: iPad file backup?
I wrote: > What the consumer world calls a router is barely worthy of the term. > Why not invest a surprising small amount in a real router like the > Ubiquiti Edgerouter X? Tim via users wrote: >There's been a few times I've considered doing that kind of thing, >however some ISPs make it nearly impossible to run anything but their >own router (they have their approved list). I'm not sure if mine does >that. The other issue is trying to find something that actually is >better, because lots of review are complete junk. > >Some while ago my ISP offered me a free upgrade router. It was a >complete disaster. The 5 GHz WiFi was dead in the water, the 2 GHz >WiFi failed often. Sick of arguing with online support, I took it back >to their shopfront and had it swapped. The newer replacement 5 GHz >worked, but it was still always disconnecting things, wanting you to >log in to continue. They expected me to accept that I'd have to >continually reconnect to the network instead of it just working, they >wouldn't accept that I didn't accept that, nor that various devices >have no interface for you to do that with. They couldn't accept that >my old router didn't have that problem. Morons! That's one of the reasons I find consumer "routers" to be barely worthy of the name. They're really wifi access points with some routing things built in. I'd say get a good WAP and a separate router that can really do what a router should be able to do. The ERX I mentioned does not include any wifi (though I think Ubiquiti does make more expensive units which do both). -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA +1 714 434 7359 d...@compata.com dhcl...@alumni.caltech.edu "We consider too much the good luck of the early bird and not enough the bad luck of the early worm." -- Franklin Roosevelt ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Starting Wayland FC39
Until FC39, I had only run Wayland on one of my machines, not even trying to bring it up on the others. Since I intensely dislike the graphic login, I found a way to start it from a virtual terminal like I normally start X11. Instead of "startx", I have a short script I call "startw" that contains only the single line, "/usr/bin/dbus-run-session /usr/bin/startplasma-wayland". (Yes, I run KDE.) This worked on FC38. Now on the same machine with FC39 (upgraded with system-upgrade) this no longer works. Instead, it produces 248 lines of output and then terminates. Reviewing those lines, it appears that it is complaining about, 'failed to open drm device at "/dev/dri/card0"' and 'No suitable DRM devices have been found'. I'm not sure what device that refers to but there seems to be some indication that it is my display. The display certainly works fine for the virtual terminal I use to run this script, and it also works fine for X11 if I run "startx". Ok, so as a fallback I tried a graphic login. This reaches a completely blank screen and goes no further. The machine is up as I can reach it with SSH but the display is useless. It responds to Ctrl-Alt-Delete but nothing else. I can't get it to switch to a different desktop. I noticed that SDDM defaults to Wayland so I changed "sddm.conf" to include "DisplayServer=x11". The allowed the graphic login to reach a login page but nothing I entered there was accepted even when I switched to specify starting an X11 session instead of Wayland. There are some online references to a problem with the /dev/dri/card0 device but they are ancient and don't seem relevant. This machine is intended to run an application that only works on Wayland (Waydroid) so at this point I'm stimied. Any suggestions would be very helpful. -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA +1 714 434 7359 d...@compata.com dhcl...@alumni.caltech.edu "To copy the truth can be a good thing, but to invent the truth is better." -- Giuseppe Verdi -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Starting Wayland FC39
I wrote: >Until FC39, I had only run Wayland on one of my machines, not even >trying to bring it up on the others. Since I intensely dislike the >graphic login, I found a way to start it from a virtual terminal like >I normally start X11. Instead of "startx", I have a short script I call >"startw" that contains only the single line, "/usr/bin/dbus-run-session >/usr/bin/startplasma-wayland". (Yes, I run KDE.) This worked on FC38. > >Now on the same machine with FC39 (upgraded with system-upgrade) this >no longer works. Instead, it produces 248 lines of output and then >terminates. Reviewing those lines, it appears that it is complaining >about, 'failed to open drm device at "/dev/dri/card0"' and 'No suitable >DRM devices have been found'. I'm not sure what device that refers >to but there seems to be some indication that it is my display. The >display certainly works fine for the virtual terminal I use to run >this script, and it also works fine for X11 if I run "startx". > >Ok, so as a fallback I tried a graphic login. This reaches a completely >blank screen and goes no further. The machine is up as I can reach it >with SSH but the display is useless. It responds to Ctrl-Alt-Delete >but nothing else. I can't get it to switch to a different desktop. I >noticed that SDDM defaults to Wayland so I changed "sddm.conf" to >include "DisplayServer=x11". The allowed the graphic login to reach >a login page but nothing I entered there was accepted even when I >switched to specify starting an X11 session instead of Wayland. > >There are some online references to a problem with the /dev/dri/card0 >device but they are ancient and don't seem relevant. > >This machine is intended to run an application that only works on >Wayland (Waydroid) so at this point I'm stimied. Any suggestions >would be very helpful. If it matters, this machine was never installed with the KDE spin. It was installed before spins and with extensive editing of the packages to be included. KDE was added to it. It's been working through several Fedora releases for at least three years. -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA +1 714 434 7359 d...@compata.com dhcl...@alumni.caltech.edu "The problem with people who have no vices is that generally you can be pretty sure they're going to have some pretty annoying virtues." -- Elizabeth Taylor -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Starting Wayland FC39
I wrote: >Until FC39, I had only run Wayland on one of my machines, not even >trying to bring it up on the others. Since I intensely dislike the >graphic login, I found a way to start it from a virtual terminal like >I normally start X11. Instead of "startx", I have a short script I >call "startw" that contains only the single line, >"/usr/bin/dbus-run-session /usr/bin/startplasma-wayland". (Yes, I >run KDE.) This worked on FC38. >Now on the same machine with FC39 (upgraded with system-upgrade) this >no longer works. Instead, it produces 248 lines of output and then >terminates. Reviewing those lines, it appears that it is complaining >about, 'failed to open drm device at "/dev/dri/card0"' and 'No >suitable DRM devices have been found'. I'm not sure what device >that refers to but there seems to be some indication that it is my >display. The display certainly works fine for the virtual terminal I >use to run this script, and it also works fine for X11 if I run >"startx". >Ok, so as a fallback I tried a graphic login. This reaches a completely >blank screen and goes no further. The machine is up as I can reach it >with SSH but the display is useless. It responds to Ctrl-Alt-Delete >but nothing else. I can't get it to switch to a different desktop. I >noticed that SDDM defaults to Wayland so I changed "sddm.conf" to >include "DisplayServer=x11". The allowed the graphic login to reach >a login page but nothing I entered there was accepted even when I >switched to specify starting an X11 session instead of Wayland. >There are some online references to a problem with the /dev/dri/card0 >device but they are ancient and don't seem relevant. >This machine is intended to run an application that only works on >Wayland (Waydroid) so at this point I'm stimied. Any suggestions >would be very helpful. >If it matters, this machine was never installed with the KDE spin. It >was installed before spins and with extensive editing of the packages to be >included. KDE was added to it. It's been working through several Fedora >releases for at least three years. stan via users wrote: >Have you tried creating a new user? I'm wondering if there is some >cruft in your configuration that a newer version of the executable is >choking on. I don't see any bugzillas open against the package >plasma-workspace that creates that rpm, so it doesn't seem to be a >widespread problem. I created a new user and obtained the same result using "startw". I agree that this is not likely a plasma problem. It's the reference to /dev/dri/card0 that concerns me. There must be some reason why this device is needed but can't be found. For what it may be worth, I'll attach the complete output (if that is accepted on this list). Note that no other compositor is running as this is immediately after a fresh reboot. -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA +1 714 434 7359 d...@compata.com dhcl...@alumni.caltech.edu "We consider too much the good luck of the early bird and not enough the bad luck of the early worm." -- Franklin Roosevelt dbus-daemon[982960]: [session uid=1000 pid=982960] Activating service name='org.freedesktop.systemd1' requested by ':1.0' (uid=1000 pid=982961 comm="/usr/bin/startplasma-wayland") dbus-daemon[982960]: [session uid=1000 pid=982960] Activated service 'org.freedesktop.systemd1' failed: Process org.freedesktop.systemd1 exited with status 1 dbus-daemon[982960]: [session uid=1000 pid=982960] Activating service name='org.freedesktop.systemd1' requested by ':1.0' (uid=1000 pid=982961 comm="/usr/bin/startplasma-wayland") dbus-daemon[982960]: [session uid=1000 pid=982960] Activated service 'org.freedesktop.systemd1' failed: Process org.freedesktop.systemd1 exited with status 1 org.kde.plasma.libkworkspace: Skipping syncing of environment variable "BASH_FUNC_ml%%" as name contains unsupported characters org.kde.plasma.libkworkspace: Skipping syncing of environment variable "BASH_FUNC_module%%" as name contains unsupported characters dbus-daemon[982960]: [session uid=1000 pid=982960] Activating service name='org.freedesktop.systemd1' requested by ':1.0' (uid=1000 pid=982961 comm="/usr/bin/startplasma-wayland") dbus-daemon[982960]: [session uid=1000 pid=982960] Activated service 'org.freedesktop.systemd1' failed: Process org.freedesktop.systemd1 exited with status 1 org.kde.plasma.libkworkspace: Skipping syncing of environment variable "BASH_FUNC_ml%%" as name contains unsupported characters org.kde.plasma.libkworkspace: Skipping syncing of environm
Re: Starting Wayland FC39
I wrote: >Until FC39, I had only run Wayland on one of my machines, not even >trying to bring it up on the others. Since I intensely dislike the >graphic login, I found a way to start it from a virtual terminal like >I normally start X11. Instead of "startx", I have a short script I call >"startw" that contains only the single line, "/usr/bin/dbus-run-session >/usr/bin/startplasma-wayland". (Yes, I run KDE.) This worked on FC38. > >Now on the same machine with FC39 (upgraded with system-upgrade) this >no longer works. Instead, it produces 248 lines of output and then >terminates. Reviewing those lines, it appears that it is complaining >about, 'failed to open drm device at "/dev/dri/card0"' and 'No suitable >DRM devices have been found'. I'm not sure what device that refers >to but there seems to be some indication that it is my display. The >display certainly works fine for the virtual terminal I use to run >this script, and it also works fine for X11 if I run "startx". > >Ok, so as a fallback I tried a graphic login. This reaches a completely >blank screen and goes no further. The machine is up as I can reach it >with SSH but the display is useless. It responds to Ctrl-Alt-Delete >but nothing else. I can't get it to switch to a different desktop. I >noticed that SDDM defaults to Wayland so I changed "sddm.conf" to >include "DisplayServer=x11". The allowed the graphic login to reach >a login page but nothing I entered there was accepted even when I >switched to specify starting an X11 session instead of Wayland. > >There are some online references to a problem with the /dev/dri/card0 >device but they are ancient and don't seem relevant. > >This machine is intended to run an application that only works on >Wayland (Waydroid) so at this point I'm stimied. Any suggestions >would be very helpful. After much searching, checking alternate users, verifying permissions, etc, I determined I was unlikely to find the problem. I took the coward's way out and downgraded the machine to FC38. After that, the problem is gone! I'll leave it at FC38 for a while while watching for any online comments that might provide a clue to a real solution. -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA +1 714 434 7359 d...@compata.com dhcl...@alumni.caltech.edu "I am patient with stupidity but not with those who are proud of it." -- Edith Sitwell -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Log file *detailed* content description
So I spent the last 30 minutes or so trying to find a detailed
description of the content of /var/log/secure. Sure, I know the purpose
of the file and most of the messages are self-explanatory. But some
of the message content is not. I was surprised that multiple search
engines were unable to find anything beyond the obvious ("Keep
authentication logs for both successful ..."). Doesn't Fedora's
documentation anywhere describe this file in some detail?
For example, given the message,
Accepted publickey for ... from ... port ... ssh2: RSA
SHA256:QSyKp5SJ8gJFcYtbtb9SQ1axtqSg7fEoQBiZf3kPXgU
what is the meaning of the RSA value listed? Is it a "fingerprint"?
How can I compare it to the various keys on my system?
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Re: Log file *detailed* content description
I asked: > For example, given the message, >Accepted publickey for ... from ... port ... ssh2: RSA > SHA256:QSyKp5SJ8gJFcYtbtb9SQ1axtqSg7fEoQBiZf3kPXgU > what is the meaning of the RSA value listed? Is it a "fingerprint"? > How can I compare it to the various keys on my system? Roberto Ragusa answered: >ssh-keygen -lf ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub > >This comes up easily on Google. I wasn't asking for the value related to my public key. I'm not likely to see whatever the related value for that key might be in an "Accepted publickey" message on my own system. My question was, when someone connects to my system, which key in my authorized_keys file were they using? That seems to have been a more difficult question. But see my next message. -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA +1 714 434 7359 d...@compata.com dhcl...@alumni.caltech.edu "Country music is just folk music for righties and folk music is country music for lefties." -- J.D. Tuccille -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: VMware woes
Samuel Sieb wrote:
>Nothing to do with the list. That's your email client converting it.
Speaking of email clients modifying received messages ...
{This message was not written in HTML. If you are reading it as such,
the presentation is dishonest and not what the author intended.}
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Re: VMware woes
Tim via users wrote:
>I wrote:
>> Speaking of email clients modifying received messages ...
>>
>> {This message was not written in HTML. If you are reading it as such,
>> the presentation is dishonest and not what the author intended.}
>Which I received base64 encoded, for reasons unfathomable.
I wonder what did that. It wasn't sent that way:
Content-type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
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Re: gpg decrypt from a script
Alex wrote:
>Also, I'm not new to Linux administration, but somewhat new to sshpass.
>Does it only work with ssh passwords or public keys as well?
You don't need sshpass if you have the private key matching the public
key already stored on the server. Just use ssh.
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Email Balkanization (was Re: Fora vs. mailing lists)
Thomas Cameron wrote: > Well said. I'm in full agreement. I see a possibly related condition that also irritates me. The Balkanization of "email" (quotes deliberate). You want to send an email message to some company but you don't know their address. You check their web site and find a page, "send us email". But it doesn't give you an address, just a web form. You have no easy way to keep a copy of your message. If they reply, you have to go back to their web site to read it. In many cases, that means you have to log in before you can read a reply, or even to send the message initially. This is NOT email, folks. To me the analogy is, in the olden days, a company sending you postal mail in care of the local post office, the PO sending you a post card that something has arrived, and you having to go to the PO and show your identification to retrieve the item. No one would have tolerated that situation; why do we tolerate it on the Internet? I get that the design of Internet email was not well done initially. Designers had no thought of future integrity or security problems. Solutions to those problems have been developed but require users to be at least semi-intelligent. Since people read email using a web interface that hides much of the information useful for identifying spam, it seems to me that those web systems should make the use of proper encryption techniques to identify senders and recipients easy when that is appropriate. -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA +1 714 434 7359 d...@compata.com dhcl...@alumni.caltech.edu "Thoughts, like fleas, jump from man to man, but they don't bite everybody." -- Stanislaw Jerzy Lec -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
XTerm font resource
Fedora 31 xterm-351-1.fc31.x86_64.rpm If I open an xterm window and use the menu to select the "Small" font, I like the result. But I can't seem to find the proper command options to get that result immediately, without the need to use the menu. The font I find from "appres XTerm xterm | grep -i VT100.font3" is "6x10" but that is certainly not what I see in the xterm window. Applying the result of "appres XTerm xterm | grep -i VT100.utf8Fonts.font3" using the xterm option "-fa '-misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--14-130-75-75-c-70-iso10646-1'" gets a smaller version of the font which appears when selecting "Small". Adding the "-fs 9.0" option gets a font that appears to be identical but isn't as crisp. Examining both with xmag shows that mine has a lot of half-tones but the one that comes up with "Small" doesn't. Can anyone tell me what I'm missing here? What options can I use on a command line to get the same font as selecting "Small" with the xterm menu? -- Dave Close ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: XTerm font resource
I wrote: > Fedora 31 > xterm-351-1.fc31.x86_64.rpm > > If I open an xterm window and use the menu to select the "Small" > font, I like the result. But I can't seem to find the proper > command options to get that result immediately, without the need > to use the menu. The font I find from "appres XTerm xterm | > grep -i VT100.font3" is "6x10" but that is certainly not what > I see in the xterm window. Applying the result of "appres XTerm > xterm | grep -i VT100.utf8Fonts.font3" using the xterm option "-fa > '-misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--14-130-75-75-c-70-iso10646-1'" gets > a smaller version of the font which appears when selecting "Small". > Adding the "-fs 9.0" option gets a font that appears to be identical > but isn't as crisp. Examining both with xmag shows that mine has a lot > of half-tones but the one that comes up with "Small" doesn't. > > Can anyone tell me what I'm missing here? What options can I use on a > command line to get the same font as selecting "Small" with the xterm > menu? Seth Kenlon answered: > I don't use xterm but I use rxvt and for that, I have to issue this command > to update my .Xdefaults settings (such as fonts, colours, and so on). > > $ xrdb -merge .Xdefaults > > It could be the same for xterm? Thanks but I don't think that's the solution. I'm not trying to change the default resources. I just want to discover the proper *command line* options to get the same result I already get using CTRL-rightmouse. -- Dave Close ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Re: XTerm font resource
Andras Simon wrote: >Maybe this could help you locate the right font: > >xfontsel - point and click selection of X11 font names > >xfontsel is in the xorg-x11-apps package (at least on Fedora 30). I have the program. But I've already discovered the font which XTerm claims to be using. Using appres I can see that it claims to be using "-misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--14-130-75-75-c-70-iso10646-1" and xfontsel does show that font exists. But if I specify that font using the Xterm "-fa" option, it doesn't render the same as selecting the "Small" font using CTRL-rightmouse. I can make rendering appear *almost* the same by adding the "-fs 9.0" option to the command line. At first glance that seems identical but examing with xmag shows a difference. Selecting "Small" gets a crisp font but using "-fa" and "-fs" gets one with lots of half-tones. It appears that XTerm must be getting its font in some non-standard way. Any XTerm experts here? -- Dave Close ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org
NFS mount
I'm trying to setup an NFS mount to an older NAS device. The client is Fedora 34, the NAS is a Buffalo Linkstation. I have access to the NAS via SSH and I can successfully mount it using CIFS and SSHFS. Of course, CIFS loses some file attributes and SSHFS seems slow and doesn't see the filesystem usage properly. So I'd prefer NFS but it keeps failing. I've even tried with my firewall disabled but no luck. The NAS only works with NFS v2. It's NFS is a client-side application as there is no NFS built into its kernel. But it is nothing new; the app has been running successfully for many folks for years. All the necessary ports seem to be open. # nmap -sU -p2049,111 nas1 PORT STATE SERVICE 111/udp open rpcbind 2049/udp open nfs # nmap -sT -p2049,111 nas1 PORT STATE SERVICE 111/tcp open rpcbind 2049/tcp open nfs I can access the NAS with rpcinfo and showmount. # showmount -e nas1 Export list for nas1: /mnt/array1/share client.compata.com # rpcinfo -p nas1 program vers proto port service 102 tcp111 portmapper 102 udp111 portmapper 132 udp 2049 nfs 132 tcp 2049 nfs 151 udp726 mountd 152 udp726 mountd 151 tcp729 mountd 152 tcp729 mountd But mount fails. # mount -v -o vers=2 -t nfs nas1:/mnt/array1/share /nas1 mount.nfs: timeout set for Sat Aug 28 17:52:01 2021 mount.nfs: trying text-based options 'vers=2,addr=192.168.44.20' mount.nfs: prog 13, trying vers=2, prot=6 mount.nfs: trying 192.168.44.20 prog 13 vers 2 prot TCP port 2049 mount.nfs: prog 15, trying vers=1, prot=17 mount.nfs: trying 192.168.44.20 prog 15 vers 1 prot UDP port 726 mount.nfs: mount(2): Protocol not supported mount.nfs: Protocol not supported # mount -v -o udp -o vers=2 -t nfs nas1:/mnt/array1/share /nas1 mount.nfs: timeout set for Sat Aug 28 17:53:43 2021 mount.nfs: trying text-based options 'udp,vers=2,addr=192.168.44.20' mount.nfs: prog 13, trying vers=2, prot=17 mount.nfs: trying 192.168.44.20 prog 13 vers 2 prot UDP port 2049 mount.nfs: prog 15, trying vers=1, prot=17 mount.nfs: trying 192.168.44.20 prog 15 vers 1 prot UDP port 726 mount.nfs: mount(2): Protocol not supported mount.nfs: Protocol not supported I have tcpdump captures from both ends and I don't see anything obviously wrong. (But then I'm not sure just what I ought to see there.) I do see the portmap calls and the results seem ok. Each is followed by a null call and a null reply, again nothing obviously wrong. I don't understand why the mount proceeds to use V1 for prog 15 (mount) without any indication of a problem with the V2 attempt for NFS. But forcing V2 for both doesn't help. # mount -v -o nfsvers=2 -o mountvers=2 -o mountproto=tcp -t nfs nas1:/mnt/array1/share /nas1 mount.nfs: timeout set for Sat Aug 28 18:28:37 2021 mount.nfs: trying text-based options 'nfsvers=2,mountvers=2, mountproto=tcp,addr=192.168.44.20,mountaddr=192.168.44.20' mount.nfs: prog 13, trying vers=2, prot=6 mount.nfs: trying 192.168.44.20 prog 13 vers 2 prot TCP port 2049 mount.nfs: prog 15, trying vers=2, prot=6 mount.nfs: trying 192.168.44.20 prog 15 vers 2 prot TCP port 729 mount.nfs: mount(2): Protocol not supported mount.nfs: Protocol not supported I can't find anything relevant in any system log. The final message, "Protocol not supported", doesn't clearly indicate which protocol -- I presume mount(2) -- nor give any clue to a remedy. But if I force v3 for mount, I get a version mismatch. -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA +1 714 434 7359 d...@compata.com dhcl...@alumni.caltech.edu "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." -- Pablo Picasso ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: NFS mount
Tom Horsley wrote: >> The NAS only works with NFS v2. > >If it is that old, you may need "proto=udp" as well as "vers=2" >in the mount options. I've tried it both ways. The -v output shows which protocol gets used. Joe Zeff wrote: >> I've even tried with my firewall disabled but no luck. > >Two questions: first, why did you suspect the firewall and second, have >you re-enabled it? I didn't suspect it, just being paranoid. And yes, of course. The client is internal, it doesn't face the Internet. -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA "Keep the company of those who seek d...@compata.com, +1 714 434 7359 the truth; run from those who have dhcl...@alumni.caltech.edu found it." --Vaclav Havel ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: NFS mount
Historical background below. I have now confirmed that the NAS device NFS server is working properly. I am able to mount it from a Raspberry Pi running kernel 5.4.72-v7+ #1356 and nfs-common/oldstable,now 1:1.3.4-2.5+deb10u1. I still cannot mount it from Fedora 34 running nfs-utils-2.5.4-0. The error remains as shown below, "mount(2): Protocol not supported". Even though I have explicitly asked for mount v2, it appears that Fedora's mount doesn't work with v2. Thanks to those who replied earlier. However, your ideas didn't help. I wrote: >I'm trying to setup an NFS mount to an older NAS device. The client >is Fedora 34, the NAS is a Buffalo Linkstation. I have access to the >NAS via SSH and I can successfully mount it using CIFS and SSHFS. Of >course, CIFS loses some file attributes and SSHFS seems slow and >doesn't see the filesystem usage properly. So I'd prefer NFS but it >keeps failing. I've even tried with my firewall disabled but no luck. > >The NAS only works with NFS v2. It's NFS is a client-side application >as there is no NFS built into its kernel. But it is nothing new; the >app has been running successfully for many folks for years. > >All the necessary ports seem to be open. > > # nmap -sU -p2049,111 nas1 > PORT STATE SERVICE > 111/udp open rpcbind > 2049/udp open nfs > # nmap -sT -p2049,111 nas1 > PORT STATE SERVICE > 111/tcp open rpcbind > 2049/tcp open nfs > >I can access the NAS with rpcinfo and showmount. > > # showmount -e nas1 > Export list for nas1: > /mnt/array1/share client.compata.com > # rpcinfo -p nas1 > program vers proto port service > 102 tcp111 portmapper > 102 udp111 portmapper > 132 udp 2049 nfs > 132 tcp 2049 nfs > 151 udp726 mountd > 152 udp726 mountd > 151 tcp729 mountd > 152 tcp729 mountd > >But mount fails. > > # mount -v -o vers=2 -t nfs nas1:/mnt/array1/share /nas1 > mount.nfs: timeout set for Sat Aug 28 17:52:01 2021 > mount.nfs: trying text-based options 'vers=2,addr=192.168.44.20' > mount.nfs: prog 13, trying vers=2, prot=6 > mount.nfs: trying 192.168.44.20 prog 13 vers 2 prot TCP port 2049 > mount.nfs: prog 15, trying vers=1, prot=17 > mount.nfs: trying 192.168.44.20 prog 15 vers 1 prot UDP port 726 > mount.nfs: mount(2): Protocol not supported > mount.nfs: Protocol not supported > > # mount -v -o udp -o vers=2 -t nfs nas1:/mnt/array1/share /nas1 > mount.nfs: timeout set for Sat Aug 28 17:53:43 2021 > mount.nfs: trying text-based options 'udp,vers=2,addr=192.168.44.20' > mount.nfs: prog 13, trying vers=2, prot=17 > mount.nfs: trying 192.168.44.20 prog 13 vers 2 prot UDP port 2049 > mount.nfs: prog 15, trying vers=1, prot=17 > mount.nfs: trying 192.168.44.20 prog 15 vers 1 prot UDP port 726 > mount.nfs: mount(2): Protocol not supported > mount.nfs: Protocol not supported > >I have tcpdump captures from both ends and I don't see anything obviously >wrong. (But then I'm not sure just what I ought to see there.) I do see >the portmap calls and the results seem ok. Each is followed by a null >call and a null reply, again nothing obviously wrong. I don't understand >why the mount proceeds to use V1 for prog 15 (mount) without any >indication of a problem with the V2 attempt for NFS. But forcing V2 for >both doesn't help. > > # mount -v -o nfsvers=2 -o mountvers=2 -o mountproto=tcp -t nfs >nas1:/mnt/array1/share /nas1 > mount.nfs: timeout set for Sat Aug 28 18:28:37 2021 > mount.nfs: trying text-based options 'nfsvers=2,mountvers=2, >mountproto=tcp,addr=192.168.44.20,mountaddr=192.168.44.20' > mount.nfs: prog 13, trying vers=2, prot=6 > mount.nfs: trying 192.168.44.20 prog 13 vers 2 prot TCP port 2049 > mount.nfs: prog 15, trying vers=2, prot=6 > mount.nfs: trying 192.168.44.20 prog 15 vers 2 prot TCP port 729 > mount.nfs: mount(2): Protocol not supported > mount.nfs: Protocol not supported > >I can't find anything relevant in any system log. The final message, >"Protocol not supported", doesn't clearly indicate which protocol -- >I presume mount(2) -- nor give any clue to a remedy. But if I force >v3 for mount, I get a version mismatch. -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA +1 714 434 7359 d...@compata.com dhcl...@alumni.caltech.edu "Paying attention to politicians can make you dumb." - Declan McCullagh ___ users mailing list -- users@list
Re: NFS mount
Roger Heflin wrote: >Fedora 33 shows this on recent kernels: ># CONFIG_NFS_V2 is not set >So disabled in the kernel seems likely for 34 also. > >You would have to rebuild a kernel with that set to =m and boot that >for v2 to work. Thanks. You are absolutely correct. My first thought was that the error message, "Protocol not supported", could be improved. But it is exactly correct. What was missing for me was any clue as to how to address the error. Perhaps something in the man page would have helped. Over and out. -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA "Genius may have its limitations, d...@compata.com, +1 714 434 7359but stupidity is not thus dhcl...@alumni.caltech.edu handicapped." --Elbert Hubbard ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Startup recovery
Not sure how to title this issue but I'd appreciate advice. A laptop running F34 crashed last night and won't start properly since. The only errors I can see and find in the logs indicate some unknown issue mounting the /home filesystem. The system has /boot and an LVM partition with / and /home. / and /boot mount successfully but the startup drops to emergency mode. After I enter the root password, I can run "vgchange -a y; mount /home" and /home is immediately mounted successfully, no problem. I can then issue ^D and the boot seems to complete. However, the network is not started and no gettys are running on other PTYs. It seems apparent to me that there is no problem with the LVM partition or the /home filesystem. So I don't understand why startup is failing nor how to discover the true cause. BTW, and not likely related, but if I try to boot from the latest kernel (5.14.11), the screen goes very dim after the mode is changed, making it very hard to see what is going on, and the keys to brighten the display seem inoperative. Booting from kernel 5.13.19 doesn't have that effect though the same startup problem happens. Off to get a COVID booster in the morning so further investigation will continue after I return. -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA +1 714 434 7359 d...@compata.com dhcl...@alumni.caltech.edu "Quantum computing is a marvelous way to show the non- intuitive nature of quantum mechanics." -Gordon Moore ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: Startup recovery
I asked: > Not sure how to title this issue but I'd appreciate advice. A laptop > running F34 crashed last night and won't start properly since. The > only errors I can see and find in the logs indicate some unknown > issue mounting the /home filesystem. The system has /boot and an LVM > partition with / and /home. / and /boot mount successfully but the > startup drops to emergency mode. After I enter the root password, > I can run "vgchange -a y; mount /home" and /home is immediately > mounted successfully, no problem. I can then issue ^D and the boot > seems to complete. However, the network is not started and no gettys > are running on other PTYs. > > It seems apparent to me that there is no problem with the LVM partition > or the /home filesystem. So I don't understand why startup is failing > nor how to discover the true cause. Roger Heflin answered: > Since it is home, I would edit fstab and change "defaults" to > "defaults,nofail" that will result in the system booting up if/when home is > missing. Then you can look at what is going on with home with the system > booted and all tools. Done, and that helps a lot. Thanks. > systemctl status home.mount > > should tell you the error it things it got. The error is "dependency". The trick seems to be discovering what that dependency is. I've found a few minor problems and I think I've fixed them but /home still doesn't mount during startup. The strangest thing I've found is that the files /etc/dbus-1/system.d/com.redhat.NewPrinterNotification.conf and /etc/dbus-1/system.d/com.redhat.PrinterDriversInstaller.conf were both empty. Without a network, I typed in what I see on another machine. Currently, the only seemingly serious error I see is that zram0 swap isn't starting. The swap LV is properly configured so this doesn't seem that it should be a /home dependency. I've currently reached a point where the network starts so my next task will be to verify recently updated RPMs. Other ideas welcome. -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA +1 714 434 7359 d...@compata.com dhcl...@alumni.caltech.edu "A man who says, `I have learned enough and will learn no further,' should be considered as knowing nothing at all." --Haile Selassie ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: Startup recovery
Roger Heflin wrote: >run "systemd-analyze critical-chain home.mount" and it will show you the >requirements. >And if you find a dependency not working run at "systemctl status " >against it, and that should show you what error it got. # systemd-analyze critical-chain home.mount home.mount @2min 29.727s `-local-fs-pre.target @3.739s `-lvm2-monitor.service @955ms +1.176s `-dm-event.socket @912ms `-system.slice `--.slice with the "lvm2" line in red. But status on that service does not show an error. >On boot up do a "lvs" post that info. The Attr column will show if it is >activated or not. Not activated on boot. Thanks for the help and advice. But I think John is right, it's time to start over on this laptop. -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA "Whenever you have a secret, d...@compata.com, +1 714 434 7359you have a vulnerability." dhcl...@alumni.caltech.edu -- Whitfield Diffie ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: Startup recovery
John Mellor wrote: >Anyway you cut this, even if you get the problem fixed, you can no >longer trust that this machine is sane. You have suffered some kind of >critical corruption, and who knows if you've corrected it or whether >there is more undiscovered damage or loss. ... Yep, I've come to the same conclusion. This laptop initially had a small SSD. I've added another larger one but the partitioning isn't optimum anyway. I suspect that /root ran out of space overnight and led to all this trouble. -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA +1 714 434 7359 d...@compata.com dhcl...@alumni.caltech.edu "Moral indignation is jealousy with a halo." -- H.G. Wells ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: Fedora 41 systemd or its dependencies now includes qemu
Patrick Mansfield wrote: >Why does the most recent systemd update pull in qemu? >That seems excessive. > >Currently running Fedora 41 with systemd version 256.8-1, looks like >the update moves me to systemd version 256.9-2. My two systems running F41 include systemd 256.9-2 and do not include qemu. -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA +1 714 434 7359 d...@compata.com dhcl...@alumni.caltech.edu "He that cannot reason is a fool. He that will not is a bigot. He that dare not is a slave." -- Andrew Carnegie -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
'comm' and 'sort' incompatible?
Given two plain text files, I get this result: $ comm -3 <(sort file1) <(sort file2) >/dev/null comm: file 1 is not in sorted order comm: file 2 is not in sorted order comm: input is not in sorted order But if I make a slight modification, the result is: $ LANG=C comm -3 <(sort file1) <(sort file2) >/dev/null This appears to be due to both of the files containing a few non-ASCII characters (UTF-8). Either 'comm' or 'sort' (or both) don't seem to handle them properly. Fedora 41 x86_64, but I've seen the same thing previously. My searches don't reveal any previous complaints. Trying the same thing on my Raspberry Pi (bookworm) does not exhibit the problem. -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA +1 714 434 7359 d...@compata.com dhcl...@alumni.caltech.edu "The Swiss Army coudn't open a wine bottle with Occam's razor." -- Jef Mallett (Frazz) -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
F40 to F41 upgrade
I have eight machines all running Fedora (two virtual). I successfully upgraded seven of them over a few weeks, patiently waiting to see what issues might appear. The last one to be upgraded is my primary desktop. All upgrades were done with "dnf system-upgrade" and all appeared to have been upgraded without significant issues. BUT, the last one, my primary desktop, was an exception. The upgrade seemed to have completed successfully and I was happily using it. Then I discovered that some commands I use every now and then did not work. The cause was that the associated RPMs were not included in the upgrade for no apparent reason: firefox, libreoffice, cups. Looking further and comparing the list of installed RPMs to what had been installed before, I found more than 350 additional missing RPMs! (A few were missing because they had been replaced or renamed; I'm only counting those that had been installed and are still available as part of F41.) All the missing ones have now been added back manually and things seem to be working properly. But I'm holding my breath. -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA +1 714 434 7359 d...@compata.com dhcl...@alumni.caltech.edu "Moral indignation is jealousy with a halo." -- H.G. Wells -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Config to turn off Firefox advertising features
Don Marti wrote: >The current two preferences that it sets to false are: > > dom.private-attribution.submission.enabled > browser.urlbar.suggest.quicksuggest.sponsored Thanks, Don. I'm adding these to my list of configuration variables to disable. I'd gone away from Firefox for a while, seeking a better browser, but always found some issues with others. And I avoid Chrome. -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA +1 714 434 7359 d...@compata.com dhcl...@alumni.caltech.edu "If I don't know I don't know, I think I know; if I don't know I know, I think I don't know." - Ronald Laing -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: F40 to F41 upgrade
Barry wrote:
>Check the system-upgrade log for clues about why this happened.
>I do not recall the same issue being reported in discuss fedora.
I don't have any file with a name like *system-upgrade*. However,
/var/log/dnf.log shows that the three packages I mentioned previously,
libreoffice, firefox, and cups, were deleted because they were dependent
on something. Of course, the log doesn't say what dependency they had.
The log shows:
Install 84 Packages
Upgrade7921 Packages
Remove 414 Packages
Downgrade10 Packages
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Re: command line smtp mailer?
ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
>Anyone have a favorite command line outbound (smtp)
>email program that is easy to use?
You could look into nmh, the "new mail handler", originally from RAND.
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Re: e2fsck malfunction?
I wrote: > Jeffrey Walton replied: >> Throw the old SDcard away, and use a new one. > > I intend to. But this isn't a problem with the card. Samuel Sieb answered: >Are you sure? It does sound likely. e2fsck doesn't write without warning. >I suggest testing it with the f3 tools. "e2fsck -c" said it didn't find any bad blocks. If it didn't find any, why would it modify the card at all? "e2fsck -y" (by itself) did not report any problem. I agree the card seems flaky and I've already ordered a replacement. But I remain concerned by the result of using -c; that doesn't seem related to the problems with the card since it claims not to have found any bad blocks. -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA +1 714 434 7359 d...@compata.com dhcl...@alumni.caltech.edu "The mind is a wonderful thing. It starts working the minute you're born and never stops until you get up to speak in public." -Roscoe Drummond -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: dnf downgrade dependencies
>On 3/13/25 10:20 PM, Dave Close wrote: >> I've decided I'm unhappy with one of the changes made by the most >> recent version of LibreOffice, 24.8, and I want to try going back to >> the previous version, 24.2, which is part of the FC40 repository. >> But I'm astounded by the result of the command below. (Without >> allowerasing the command won't do anything.) Samuel Sieb wrote: >libreoffice has many dependencies and if you downgrade those to what >that version needs, then you have to also downgrade all the packages >that depend on those dependencies. Well then, I suppose I could download the source package and try to build it on FC41... -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA +1 714 434 7359 d...@compata.com dhcl...@alumni.caltech.edu "Paying attention to politicians can make you dumb." - Declan McCullagh -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Access the serial console on Fedora
Roger Heflin wrote: >And you are using ttyS0 for the serial port and that is the first real >hardware serial port, not the first USB serial port and at boot the >first usb serial port may not even actually exist yet... The serial-to-USB adapter is attached to ttyS0 on the problem machine. The USB end of the cable is attached to ttyUSB0 on the laptop. I have tested ttyS0 by connection elsewhere using straight serial and it works as it should. -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA +1 714 434 7359 d...@compata.com dhcl...@alumni.caltech.edu "A difference has to make a difference in order to be a difference." -- Wendell Johnson -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Access the serial console on Fedora
I wrote: >I have a machine running Fedora 41 which has stopped providing video >for its console. Of course, the problem could be hardware, but there >is no clear evidence of that. Well, now there is clear evidence. I followed up by putting a DVI card in the machine and, using an adapter, connecting it to the same monitor that showed nothing with the built-in VGA connection. On this connection I see video. So the machine is working, just not the VGA. I can adapt to using the DVI but I may just replace the machine anyway. My desire for the serial connection was only to help diagnose this problem. Of course, even after getting it to work, all I learned is that the machine is fine, just not the VGA. At least, I learned a lot about serial consoles. -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA +1 714 434 7359 d...@compata.com dhcl...@alumni.caltech.edu "The truth is too simple: one must always get there by a complicated route." -- George Sand -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Access the serial console on Fedora
Samuel Sieb wrote:
>You will need a null-modem cable or adapter to connect to another
>computer.
Indeed. I've been working with RS232 for decades, though not much for
the most recent decade. I finally cobbled together a set of DB9-DB25,
gender benders, and DB25 null modem adapter to check this. As you can
guess, Samuel was right. Sorry for wasting everyone's time.
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Access the serial console on Fedora
I have a machine running Fedora 41 which has stopped providing video for its console. Of course, the problem could be hardware, but there is no clear evidence of that. I am able to access the machine with SSH so I know it is working. I don't find any indication of a problem in log files. To help diagnose the issue, I'd like to access its console through its serial interface. (The machine does have a DB9 serial connector and I have verified that it works properly.) I have connected a serial to USB adapter to the machine's serial port and connected the other end of the USB cable to a laptop (also running Fedora 41). On the laptop, I've started putty and selected a serial connection to ttyUSB0 at speed 38400. On the problem machine, I've run the following commands as root with no errors reported. # grubby \ --args="systemd.journald.forward_to_console=1 \ console=ttyS0,38400 console=tty1" --update-kernel=ALL # # The line continuation above is only for readability. # # The actual command was all one line. # grubby --set-default=/boot/vmlinuz-6.13.9-200.fc41.x86_64 # grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/grub2/grub.cfg # grub2-install /dev/sda # reboot I then SSH into the problem machine and check for agetty. # ps -ef | grep [g]etty root 1429 1 0 21:55 tty1 00:00:00 /sbin/agetty -o -p -- \u --noclear - linux root 1430 1 0 21:55 ttyS0 00:00:00 /sbin/agetty -o -p -- \u --keep-baud 115200,57600,38400,9600 - vt220 # Again, lines are split and condensed here only for readability. After all this, I get no output on the putty connection and no response when attempting any entry. I've also tried the other listed baud rates. Is there any obvious step I've missed? Is there a better way to do this? -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA +1 714 434 7359 d...@compata.com dhcl...@alumni.caltech.edu "Some problems are so complex that you have to be highly intelligent and well informed just to be undecided about them." -- Laurence Peter If you are having trouble reading this message, you should upgrade to an email client that can understand plain text messages. This message is not written in HTML. If you are reading it as such (eg, proportional font), the presentation is dishonest and not what the author intended. HTML email is *inherently* insecure and should not be used, PERIOD. For example see <https://lutrasecurity.com/en/articles/kobold-letters/>. -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
dnf downgrade dependencies
I've decided I'm unhappy with one of the changes made by the most recent version of LibreOffice, 24.8, and I want to try going back to the previous version, 24.2, which is part of the FC40 repository. But I'm astounded by the result of the command below. (Without allowerasing the command won't do anything.) dnf downgrade --allowerasing --enable-repo=fedora40,updates40 \ libreoffice-24.2.2.1-3.fc40.x86_64 ... Transaction Summary: Installing:21 packages Upgrading: 8 packages Replacing: 1169 packages Removing: 13 packages Downgrading: 1161 packages This is effectively returning to FC40, not just downgrading a single package. Of course, I didn't follow through. But somehow DNF thinks the following packages are dependent on LibreOffice: mplayer, opencv, python3-crypt-r, tesseract-libs, x264, among others! And it thinks the removal of these packages requires downgrading others, including mod-perl! I suppose I can simply download the older LibreOffice packages and then use rpm to replace them. But there could be some authentic library dependencies. Is there a better solution? -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA "He who thinks with difficulty d...@compata.com, +1 714 434 7359believes with alacrity." dhcl...@alumni.caltech.edu -- Ambrose Bierce -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: e2fsck malfunction?
Ron Flory wrote: > I have a lot of experience with bad/flaky USB/SDCards- often they seem >just fine as the onboard controller conceals signs of creeping-death, >until they suddenly take a nose-dive. > > I'm not sure about your case, but each time I run "e2fsck -v -c -y >/dev/sde1" (note -v Verbose switch), the summary always reports "* >FILE SYSTEM WAS MODIFIED *". So the filesystem IS being modified, >but the media still mounts successfully in my case. > > Do you see the same issue if you try other SDCards or USB >FlashDrives? Any difference if you format the media as plain ext2 vs >ext4 FS? Any difference if you use "e2fsck -cc" (Write+Read/Verify) >test? As asked earlier, does running f3probe, f3write, f3read produce >anything interesting? I received a new SanDisk "Extreme" 128 GB SD card today and used rpi- imager to put a new OS onto it. After completing successfully, I was able to mount the linux partition and make a backup copy onto a hard disk. But then... # umount /mnt # e2fsck -c /dev/sdb2 e2fsck 1.47.1 (20-May-2024) rootfs: recovering journal Checking for bad blocks (read-only test): 0.00% done, 0:00 elapsed. (0/0/0 errdone rootfs: Updating bad block inode. Pass 1: Checking inodes, blocks, and sizes Pass 2: Checking directory structure Pass 3: Checking directory connectivity Pass 4: Checking reference counts Pass 5: Checking group summary information rootfs: * FILE SYSTEM WAS MODIFIED * rootfs: 145349/332592 files (0.1% non-contiguous), 1130966/1330176 blocks # mount /dev/sdb2 /mnt mount: /mnt: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb2, missing codepage or helper program, or other error. dmesg(1) may have more information after failed mount system call. So, again, "e2fsck -c" seems to destroy the superblock. In this case, I had no suspicion of any problem with the card; I only ran e2fsck to see if the same problem would occur. It did. I'm not directly formatting the card, rpi-imager does that, so choosing a different filesystem is not reasonable. I am confident that the card has the advertised capacity; SanDisk is not a fly-by-night vendor. The e2fsck %done and elapsed time numbers did increment during the process but were evidently reset on completion before I copied the output. That's a different issue, not terribly important, but annoying. -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA +1 714 434 7359 d...@compata.com dhcl...@alumni.caltech.edu "Arguing that you don't care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say." -- Edward Snowden -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: securing this workstation.
Michael Schwendt wrote: > Fedora Workstation installation process offers creating a user account, > but you need to fill in a real name yourself. home user via users wrote: > "offers"? I did not get any sense of having a choice; it seemed to be > required. Well, yes, any choice is ephemeral. Since root, by default, does not have a password, if you don't create another user, you have no way to access the machine. -- Dave Close, Compata, Irvine CA "There is no security on this earth. d...@compata.com, +1 714 434 7359There is only opportunity." dhcl...@alumni.caltech.edu -- Douglas MacArthur -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: securing this workstation.
Marco Moock wrote:
>If you want server daemons, you have to install them
>manually. Unless you do it, they won't be reachable from the outside.
Unfortunately, that is a bit over-simplified. Every time Firefox
(or other programs) makes a request through the Internet to some
other system somewhere, it has opened a pathway for that other
system to send a reply to you. Specially crafted replies and broken
filters in the programs on your machine which receive those replies
is the most common way get infected.
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d...@compata.com dhcl...@alumni.caltech.edu
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For example see <https://lutrasecurity.com/en/articles/kobold-letters/>.
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