Re: I need PDF editor recommendations

2025-02-11 Thread George N. White III
On Mon, Feb 10, 2025 at 12:03 PM ToddAndMargo via users
 wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> Fedora 41.
>
> I have tried both PDF Studio and Master PDF Editor.
>
> PDF Studio does not support RPM and has bad tech support
>
> Master PDF Editor supports RPM, has responsive tech support,
> although they are not real helpful at times, and has all
> kinds of print problems, such as not supporting duel
> sided printing (it is there but does not work, despite
> their promises to fix it) and the print preview does
> not match the actual print.
>
> Only Office supports RPM and does print correctly, but
> it is awkward to use and has ton of bugs.
>
> Libre Office supports RPM but is bug city on PDF's (Draw)
>
> You guy know of a good PDF editor that you like?
>

PDF was not intended to support arbitrary edits.  Two documents that give
the same print output may be quite different internally, so choosing an editor
really depends on how the PDF was created.  In some cases I have used
OCR to recover text from PDF's (scanned line printer output data from the
punched-card era).

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DNF Openjdk Update Issue in F41

2025-02-11 Thread Stephen Morris

Hi,
    A "sudo dnf upgrade" produced the following messages twice at the 
beginning of the update process and again with the trigger scripts. 
These messages provide instructions for what to do in F42, but what is 
the solution for F41, or isn't there?



    Also, what is the dnf 5 logs related message?

    In addition, what is the meaning of the message "jdk duplicates 
jre", that doesn't make sense to me? I understand that the jdk includes 
the jre, but the written message I don't understand?


[ 32/605] Upgrading java-17-openjdk-headless-1:17.0.14.0.7-1.fc41.x86_64 
  100% 
|  97.7 MiB/s | 183.8 MiB |  00m02s
[RPM] 
/etc/java/java-17-openjdk/java-17-openjdk-17.0.14.0.7-1.fc41.x86_64/lib/security/public_suffix_list.dat 
created as 
/etc/java/java-17-openjdk/java-17-openjdk-17.0.14.0.7-1.fc41.x86_64/lib/se
Running post-install scriptlet: 

java-17-openjdk-headless-1:17.0.14.0.7-1.fc41.x86_64
Finished post-install scriptlet: 

java-17-openjdk-headless-1:17.0.14.0.7-1.fc41.x86_64

Scriptlet output:
dnf 5 is printing bash only to logs
The java-17-openjdk package is deprecated and may no longer receive 
updates. Since f42 install adoptium-temurin-java-repository and install 
temurin-17-jre

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ThirdPartyLegacyJdks#adoptium-temurin-java-repository
It currently lacks rpm-based debuginfo, fastdebugs and slowdebugs and 

headless subpackage. It also lacks offline javadocs and jdk duplicates jre



[

regards,
Steve



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Re: I need PDF editor recommendations

2025-02-11 Thread Stephen Morris

On 12/2/25 05:35, Frank Bures wrote:

On 2025-02-10 11:02, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

Hi All,

Fedora 41.

I have tried both PDF Studio and Master PDF Editor.


(...stuff nuked...)


You guy know of a good PDF editor that you like?


The latest version of Firefox for Windows advertises its ability to 
edit PDF's.  I have not test it though.


Perhaps the latest version of Firefox for Linux would offer the same 
functionality. It might be worth investigating.


Hi Frank, where did you find that information? I'm on Firefox Nightly 
137 and I can't see anything in it's menus relative to pdf's.


regards,
Steve



Cheers
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Re: I need PDF editor recommendations

2025-02-11 Thread Ted Roche
On Tue, Feb 11, 2025 at 5:13 PM Stephen Morris
 wrote:
>
> Hi Frank, where did you find that information? I'm on Firefox Nightly
> 137 and I can't see anything in it's menus relative to pdf's.
>

I think I heard about it through a Moziila newsletter:

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/features/pdf-editor/
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Re: Does Red Hat have any plans for Win 10 EOL ?

2025-02-11 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2025-02-12 at 00:10 +0530, Lee Thomas Stephen wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 11, 2025 at 5:35 PM Patrick O'Callaghan
>  wrote:
> > 
> > I don't understand. The link is to a Help piece on Gemini (which
> > doesn't appeal to me for email), and seems to be related to Google
> > Workspace, not Gmail. It also doesn't appear to say anything about top-
> > posting.
> > 
> > poc
> 
> Hi Patrick,
> 
> Thank you for your patience and understanding.
> 
> You are correct that the Gmail feature I mentioned does not directly
> address top-posting.

So not actually relevant to this subthread.

> My poor English writing skills often lead me to miss important points,
> and I have found that using the Workspace lab feature (which uses
> Gemini as the backend) has improved people's comprehension of my
> emails. Evolution does not have this feature.

IMHO that simply isn't a core function for an email MUA, though I can
see it being useful as an optional add-on.

> When I start Ordinary Gmail in the browser, I see the Gmail Workspace
> Image, so Gmail is considered a Workpace App by Google.

I see settings for GW (even in Gmail) but this particular one doesn't
appear to be there.

poc

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Re: Wayland?

2025-02-11 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2025-02-12 at 08:40 +1100, Stephen Morris wrote:
> On 9/2/25 06:14, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > On Fri, 2025-02-07 at 13:24 -0800, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
> > > Hi All,
> > > 
> > > Fedora 41
> > > 
> > > I need to test a piece of software in Wayland.  I know gnome
> > > uses it.  Does KDE also use it?
> > Not only does it use it, the F41 KDE spin is based on it and no longer
> > supports X11 (except via Xwayland.
> 
> Just as a silly question, when is Wayland going to work properly with KDE?
> When Wayland was first introduced into Fedora people on this mailing 
> list were telling me not to use it with KDE, that it didn't work 
> properly. They were right it used to crash KDE. Ever since then Wayland 
> has never worked properly with KDE, and still doesn't. Interfaces that 
> work fine in X11 don't work properly in Wayland (Pinned taskbar icons, 
> launch feedback and mouse movement).

You might want to take this to the Fedora KDE list, where there's more
chance of one of the KDE devs seeing it. I haven't had problems with
KDE/Wayland other than the session save/restore already mentioned.

poc
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Re: Does Red Hat have any plans for Win 10 EOL ?

2025-02-11 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2025-02-11 at 08:24 +0530, Lee Thomas Stephen wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 31, 2025 at 4:05 PM Patrick O'Callaghan
>  wrote:
> > There used to be an option in Gmail Labs that let you mark a section of
> > text before hitting Reply, quote the marked text, and place the cursor
> > at the end. In other words, sanity.
> > 
> > It was removed several years ago.
> > 
> > For lists such as this one, I use my desktop MUA (Evolution in my case)
> > even though my email account is on Gmail.
> > 
> > poc
> 
> Hi Patrick,
> 
> Thank you for the suggestion. I would have used Evolution as my
> desktop MUA, but I found this
> [https://support.google.com/mail/answer/13384326]
> feature in Gmail is invaluable, especially for replying to long
> threads like this one.
> It helps me stay organized and ensures I don't miss any crucial points.

I don't understand. The link is to a Help piece on Gemini (which
doesn't appeal to me for email), and seems to be related to Google
Workspace, not Gmail. It also doesn't appear to say anything about top-
posting.

poc
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Re: After F41 waydroid System Update, no longer runs

2025-02-11 Thread Andre Robatino
When you install Waydroid, it automatically checks the CPU for those features, 
so the user doesn't have to. When I did it on the x86_64 machine in question, 
it said the CPU didn't support SSE4.2 and downloaded the x86 images, which 
shouldn't require it. (The problem is that there's currently a bug where those 
images have some SSE4.2 code anyway.) When I tried installing on an even older 
x86_64 machine (while trying to debug the original problem), it said it didn't 
support SSSE3 and stopped there. (Which is how I found out SSSE3 was required.) 
When I installed on a laptop with a CPU that does support SSE4.2, it just went 
ahead and downloaded the x86_64 images without comment.
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Re: I need PDF editor recommendations

2025-02-11 Thread Frank Bures

On 2025-02-11 17:12, Stephen Morris wrote:

On 12/2/25 05:35, Frank Bures wrote:


The latest version of Firefox for Windows advertises its ability to edit 
PDF's.  I have not test it though.


Perhaps the latest version of Firefox for Linux would offer the same 
functionality. It might be worth investigating.


Hi Frank, where did you find that information? I'm on Firefox Nightly 137 
and I can't see anything in it's menus relative to pdf's.


Firefox advertises it in its "What's New" tab after update in Windows.  As 
I said, I have not tested it.


Cheers
Frank


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Re: I need PDF editor recommendations

2025-02-11 Thread ToddAndMargo via users

On 2/11/25 4:45 AM, George N. White III wrote:

On Mon, Feb 10, 2025 at 12:03 PM ToddAndMargo via users
 wrote:


Hi All,

Fedora 41.

I have tried both PDF Studio and Master PDF Editor.

PDF Studio does not support RPM and has bad tech support

Master PDF Editor supports RPM, has responsive tech support,
although they are not real helpful at times, and has all
kinds of print problems, such as not supporting duel
sided printing (it is there but does not work, despite
their promises to fix it) and the print preview does
not match the actual print.

Only Office supports RPM and does print correctly, but
it is awkward to use and has ton of bugs.

Libre Office supports RPM but is bug city on PDF's (Draw)

You guy know of a good PDF editor that you like?



PDF was not intended to support arbitrary edits.  Two documents that give
the same print output may be quite different internally, so choosing an editor
really depends on how the PDF was created.  In some cases I have used
OCR to recover text from PDF's (scanned line printer output data from the
punched-card era).




My problems with  Master PDF Editor are mainly with printing,
which is a deal killer.  Other than that it works well
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Re: Wayland?

2025-02-11 Thread Frank Bures

On 2025-02-11 17:26, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:


On 9/2/25 06:14, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:





You might want to take this to the Fedora KDE list, where there's more
chance of one of the KDE devs seeing it. I haven't had problems with
KDE/Wayland other than the session save/restore already mentioned.

poc


+!

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Re: I need PDF editor recommendations

2025-02-11 Thread ToddAndMargo via users

On 2/11/25 2:19 PM, Ted Roche wrote:

On Tue, Feb 11, 2025 at 5:13 PM Stephen Morris
 wrote:


Hi Frank, where did you find that information? I'm on Firefox Nightly
137 and I can't see anything in it's menus relative to pdf's.



I think I heard about it through a Moziila newsletter:

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/features/pdf-editor/


This is online.  I am after a local editor that
can't be spied on.
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Re: I need PDF editor recommendations

2025-02-11 Thread Tim via users
On Mon, 2025-02-10 at 08:02 -0800, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
> Master PDF Editor supports RPM, has responsive tech support,
> although they are not real helpful at times, and has all
> kinds of print problems, such as not supporting duel
> sided printing (it is there but does not work, despite
> their promises to fix it) and the print preview does
> not match the actual print.

You probably need to expand more on this, and your problem.

What way does the preview differ from the print?  Is it more than just
scaling?

That's a particular peeve of mine, when you design something so that it
prints a 4 by 6 cm object, and you used real dimensions in the editor,
you want it printed at that size, and not have the entire page scaled
down to fit inside *that* printer's page margins.  I'm aware there are
options to do that kind of thing, but I've not used them.

Doubled-sided printing is a pain.  "Duel" printing is very apt. 
Usually the option to use it is there, but unavailable.  Sometimes it's not 
there, at all.  *Sometimes* the option is there, and selectable.  Sometimes the 
damned printer prints in double-sided, despite your wishes.  I have a HP3015 
office printer, hardly an obscure device.  It ought to be well supported by now.

And what do you mean by editing?  Are you modifying existing pages? 
Are you creating something from new?  Are you printing PDF forms?  (The
user adds some fill-in-the-blanks details to a prepared form.)  Are you
joining pages together?
 
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Re: I need PDF editor recommendations

2025-02-11 Thread Frank Bures

On 2025-02-10 11:02, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

Hi All,

Fedora 41.

I have tried both PDF Studio and Master PDF Editor.


(...stuff nuked...)


You guy know of a good PDF editor that you like?


The latest version of Firefox for Windows advertises its ability to edit 
PDF's.  I have not test it though.


Perhaps the latest version of Firefox for Linux would offer the same 
functionality. It might be worth investigating.


Cheers
Frank


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Re: Does Red Hat have any plans for Win 10 EOL ?

2025-02-11 Thread Lee Thomas Stephen
On Tue, Feb 11, 2025 at 5:35 PM Patrick O'Callaghan
 wrote:
>
> I don't understand. The link is to a Help piece on Gemini (which
> doesn't appeal to me for email), and seems to be related to Google
> Workspace, not Gmail. It also doesn't appear to say anything about top-
> posting.
>
> poc

Hi Patrick,

Thank you for your patience and understanding.

You are correct that the Gmail feature I mentioned does not directly
address top-posting.
My poor English writing skills often lead me to miss important points,
and I have found that using the Workspace lab feature (which uses
Gemini as the backend) has improved people's comprehension of my
emails. Evolution does not have this feature.
When I start Ordinary Gmail in the browser, I see the Gmail Workspace
Image, so Gmail is considered a Workpace App by Google.

Best,
---
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Re: Wayland?

2025-02-11 Thread Stephen Morris

On 9/2/25 06:14, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Fri, 2025-02-07 at 13:24 -0800, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

Hi All,

Fedora 41

I need to test a piece of software in Wayland.  I know gnome
uses it.  Does KDE also use it?

Not only does it use it, the F41 KDE spin is based on it and no longer
supports X11 (except via Xwayland.


Just as a silly question, when is Wayland going to work properly with KDE?
When Wayland was first introduced into Fedora people on this mailing 
list were telling me not to use it with KDE, that it didn't work 
properly. They were right it used to crash KDE. Ever since then Wayland 
has never worked properly with KDE, and still doesn't. Interfaces that 
work fine in X11 don't work properly in Wayland (Pinned taskbar icons, 
launch feedback and mouse movement).


regards,
Steve



poc




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Re: DNF Openjdk Update Issue in F41

2025-02-11 Thread Tim Evans

On 2/11/25 4:23 PM, Stephen Morris wrote:


The java-17-openjdk package is deprecated and may no longer receive 
updates. Since f42 install adoptium-temurin-java-repository and install 
temurin-17-jre
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ThirdPartyLegacyJdks#adoptium- 

temurin-java-repository
It currently lacks rpm-based debuginfo, fastdebugs and slowdebugs and 

headless subpackage. It also lacks offline javadocs and jdk duplicates jre


Been seeing this, too, on one of my older systems--one which has been 
successively upgraded through half a dozen or more Fedora upgrades. It 
us running Fedora 41.


Looks like I have multiple releases of the openjdk-headless package 
installed:


$ rpm -aq | grep jdk
copy-jdk-configs-4.1-6.fc41.noarch
java-21-openjdk-headless-21.0.6.0.7-1.fc41.x86_64
java-17-openjdk-headless-17.0.14.0.7-1.fc41.x86_64
java-11-openjdk-headless-11.0.26.0.4-1.fc41.x86_64
java-1.8.0-openjdk-headless-1.8.0.442.b06-1.fc41.x86_64

Perhaps removing the oldest ones?  Is 1.8.0 older than 11?
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Re: DNF Openjdk Update Issue in F41

2025-02-11 Thread Stephen Morris

On 12/2/25 08:39, Tim Evans wrote:

On 2/11/25 4:23 PM, Stephen Morris wrote:


The java-17-openjdk package is deprecated and may no longer receive 
updates. Since f42 install adoptium-temurin-java-repository and 
install temurin-17-jre
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/ThirdPartyLegacyJdks#adoptium- 

temurin-java-repository
It currently lacks rpm-based debuginfo, fastdebugs and slowdebugs and 
headless subpackage. It also lacks offline javadocs and jdk 
duplicates jre


Been seeing this, too, on one of my older systems--one which has been 
successively upgraded through half a dozen or more Fedora upgrades. It 
us running Fedora 41.


Looks like I have multiple releases of the openjdk-headless package 
installed:


$ rpm -aq | grep jdk
copy-jdk-configs-4.1-6.fc41.noarch
java-21-openjdk-headless-21.0.6.0.7-1.fc41.x86_64
java-17-openjdk-headless-17.0.14.0.7-1.fc41.x86_64
java-11-openjdk-headless-11.0.26.0.4-1.fc41.x86_64
java-1.8.0-openjdk-headless-1.8.0.442.b06-1.fc41.x86_64

Perhaps removing the oldest ones?  Is 1.8.0 older than 11?


I'm in a similar situation, so I'll see if I can uninstall the older 
version and hope there isn't any installed package that requires it.


rpm -aq | grep -i jdk
copy-jdk-configs-4.1-6.fc41.noarch
java-21-openjdk-headless-21.0.6.0.7-1.fc41.x86_64
java-21-openjdk-21.0.6.0.7-1.fc41.x86_64
java-17-openjdk-headless-17.0.14.0.7-1.fc41.x86_64
java-17-openjdk-17.0.14.0.7-1.fc41.x86_64
java-17-openjdk-devel-17.0.14.0.7-1.fc41.x86_64



regards,
Steve




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Re: I need PDF editor recommendations

2025-02-11 Thread greg
On Tue, Feb 11, 2025 at 11:19 PM Ted Roche  wrote:
>
> On Tue, Feb 11, 2025 at 5:13 PM Stephen Morris
>  wrote:
> >
> > Hi Frank, where did you find that information? I'm on Firefox Nightly
> > 137 and I can't see anything in it's menus relative to pdf's.
> >
>
> I think I heard about it through a Moziila newsletter:
>
> https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/features/pdf-editor/
> --

It works for me on Fedora  40 with Firefox 134.0.1 (64-bit).
Thank you very much for the info.

greg
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Re: I need PDF editor recommendations

2025-02-11 Thread Frederic Muller

On 12/02/2025 11:45, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 2/11/25 2:19 PM, Ted Roche wrote:

On Tue, Feb 11, 2025 at 5:13 PM Stephen Morris
 wrote:


Hi Frank, where did you find that information? I'm on Firefox Nightly
137 and I can't see anything in it's menus relative to pdf's.



I think I heard about it through a Moziila newsletter:

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/features/pdf-editor/


This is online.  I am after a local editor that
can't be spied on.


For what it's worth I use Xournal to modify existing PDF and send them 
back. The main problem I see is that PDF are made from specific editor 
and editing them requires the PDF editor to be format-aware to work 
seamlessly..


I believe Inkscape also can edit PDF too. I do use it as well sometimes.


Fred

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