Re: KDE and rumors
On 2/9/25 4:06 AM, George N. White III wrote: The current KDE in Fedora 41 has some glitches, so needs some time to mature. Here, the "primary" display setting doesn't stick. I noticed that in their terminal, I could highlight a line and copy it to the secondary clipboard, but only the first 10 character or so would paste. I installed Leafpad, used the primary clipboard, to copy, and drop pasted the entire line into Leafpad. Then I copied the line into the secondary clipboard and then was able to paste it where I wanted. -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: KDE and rumors
On Sun, 2025-02-09 at 14:27 -0500, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > On Sun, Feb 9, 2025 at 6:25 AM Patrick O'Callaghan > wrote: > > > > On Sat, 2025-02-08 at 19:46 -0800, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: > > > [...] > > I haven't used Mate so have no opinion. To me the major weakness of > > KDE/Wayland (as a long-term KDE user) is the lack of true Session > > Restore, i.e. being able to log out and in again, with all your windows > > correctly positioned on the right desktops. That kind of works on > > KDE/X11, but not yet on Wayland. See this ongoing BZ discussion: > > > > https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=436318 > > > > I read somewhere that session restore works on Gnome, but have never > > been able to verify this. It's astonishing to me that this basic > > usability feature seems to get so little attention. > > Session restoration is also important for remote administration and > patching. If a machine gets rebooted because it took security updates > or the admin installed software and rebooted the machine, then it > would be very useful for the user if the session was restored when the > user logged back in. Note that I'm not even asking for full session restore, which would mean each app restoring its own state (open files, contents of the clipboard, current directory etc.). That clearly would require cooperation from the app itself, which couldn't be guaranteed in every case. I'd be happy just to have the windows and desktops restored correctly, and the current directory if it's still accessible. If other systems can do this, Linux should also be able to. poc -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: sound problem on f40
Le 2025-01-30 23:20, Tim via users a écrit : On Thu, 2025-01-30 at 11:18 +0100, François Patte wrote: So I tried to install pipewire-pulseaudio but dnf answered that pipewire-pulseaudio conflicted with pulseaudio. Since I had nothing to lose I added --allowerasing and pipewire-pulseaudio was installed and... the problem was solved. Hurray! Pulseaudio was a (slightly) older audio system, pipewire being its replacement. And there's a pipewire-pulseaudio go-between that can pretend it's pulseaudio for apps that won't work unless they believe they're using pulseaudio. Hi, Since I solved this problem, rkhunter bores me with "Suspicious file types found in /dev:" /dev/shm/lttng-ust-wait-8 If I ask lsof to see what uses this "suspicious" file, I get : COMMANDPID USER FD TYPE DEVICE SIZE/OFF NODE NAME wireplumb 2505 fp memREG 0,24 40962 /dev/shm/lttng-ust-wait-8 Is it a really "suspicious" file? And, if not, why rkhunter is not aware of these kinds of files? Shall I whitelist it without any danger? Thank you. -- François Patte UFR de mathématiques et informatique Laboratoire CNRS MAP5, UMR 8145 Université Paris Descartes 45, rue des Saints Pères F-75270 Paris Cedex 06 Tél. +33 (0)6 7892 5822 http://www.math-info.univ-paris5.fr/~patte -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Wayland?
On 2/9/25 6:38 AM, George N. White III wrote: Wayland may not be investing in future development -- just coasting on their established user base. That was my fear. I have been testing Help Wire, which run perfectly in X11 or Wayland. It is nicely done, but has a ton of bugs that need fixing. I have a years to go on Any Desk. Hope Help Wire gets their stuff fixed by then -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: KDE and rumors
> On 9 Feb 2025, at 03:46, ToddAndMargo via users > wrote: > > I heard a rumor that Fedora may be switching over to KDE. > Can anyone confirm or deny the rumor? What is happening is that kde plasma will be presented as having equal status to gnome on the get fedora pages. Barry -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Wayland?
On Sat, 2025-02-08 at 19:46 -0800, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: > I currently subscribe to Any Desk, which only runs > under X11 and refused to run if it find any install > instance of Wayland. Well, they're shooting themselves in the foot with that attitude. The writing's been on the wall for a very long time about X, no matter how some people feel about Wayland. Every time I read it I keep thinking of Mr Burns' sycophant sidekick in The Simpsons. -- uname -rsvp Linux 3.10.0-1160.119.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue Jun 4 14:43:51 UTC 2024 x86_64 Boilerplate: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing list. -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: sound problem on f40
On Sun, 2025-02-09 at 10:52 +0100, François Patte wrote: > Since I solved this problem, rkhunter bores me with "Suspicious file > types found in /dev:" > > /dev/shm/lttng-ust-wait-8 > > If I ask lsof to see what uses this "suspicious" file, I get : > COMMANDPID USER FD TYPE DEVICE SIZE/OFF NODE NAME > wireplumb 2505 fp memREG 0,24 40962 > /dev/shm/lttng-ust-wait-8 > > Is it a really "suspicious" file? And, if not, why rkhunter is not aware > of these kinds of files? > > Shall I whitelist it without any danger? You might want to change the subject line, some people don't read every message posted and someone with the answer to a rkhunter query may not see your message. I see *old* data about them: https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-security-4/suspicious-rkhunter-entry-for-dev-shm-lttng-ust-wait-7-1000-ubuntu-18-04-1-a-4175678671/ https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/227184/what-is-dev-shm-lttng-ust-wait-5-for As a general answer, those (rkhunter) kind of programs are always after-the-fact. Any time there's a change in how a system works, or a new exploit in the wild, they don't know about it until they're updated. And some things, like transient files, mightn't be possible to categorically declare them to always be safe, or risky. In a case like this, I don't necessarily mean a "dnf update" to your install. But probably that the program itself needs a change in how it works. There's every chance that you might have to ask the question directly with rkhunter's support. And they could easily turn around and say it's a unique quirk of Fedora, and they should manage the problem. That's one problem with using protective software like them (rkhunter, ABRT, SELinux troubleshooter, anti-virus, etc). You have to know how to deal with its results to actually be able to use it. When people don't, they go around deleting files they shouldn't, allowing things they shouldn't, or just ignoring all the things they warn about. -- uname -rsvp Linux 3.10.0-1160.119.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue Jun 4 14:43:51 UTC 2024 x86_64 Boilerplate: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing list. -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Wayland?
On Sat, Feb 8, 2025 at 11:46 PM ToddAndMargo via users wrote: > > I currently subscribe to Any Desk, which only runs > under X11 and refused to run if it find any install > instance of Wayland. Wayland provides isolation between windows. Some legacy X11 apps (xeyes is the simplest example) rely on the lack of isolation in X11. Companies that don't make the effort to support Wayland may not be investing in future development -- just coasting on their established user base. -- George N. White III -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: KDE and rumors
On Sat, 2025-02-08 at 19:46 -0800, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: > Hi All, > > I just tested a program to see how it would react to the > Wayland only environment of KDE. > > From what little I saw of KDE, I could not help but notice > that KDE is really polished. It would be a good choice for > moderate and above users. MATE is still the best choice for > low skill user. > > I haven't used Mate so have no opinion. To me the major weakness of KDE/Wayland (as a long-term KDE user) is the lack of true Session Restore, i.e. being able to log out and in again, with all your windows correctly positioned on the right desktops. That kind of works on KDE/X11, but not yet on Wayland. See this ongoing BZ discussion: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=436318 I read somewhere that session restore works on Gnome, but have never been able to verify this. It's astonishing to me that this basic usability feature seems to get so little attention. > I heard a rumor that Fedora may be switching over to KDE. > Can anyone confirm or deny the rumor? I seriously doubt it, as Fedora is highly invested in Gnome. However there was a recent decision that the next Fedora Workstation release would support KDE on an equal footing with Gnome: https://lwn.net/Articles/997559/ > My vote is that it would be a good thing. Gnome is too > weird for me. I agree, but that's just me. poc -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: KDE and rumors
On Sat, Feb 8, 2025 at 11:46 PM ToddAndMargo via users wrote: > > Hi All, > > I just tested a program to see how it would react to the > Wayland only environment of KDE. > > From what little I saw of KDE, I could not help but notice > that KDE is really polished. It would be a good choice for > moderate and above users. MATE is still the best choice for > low skill user. > > I heard a rumor that Fedora may be switching over to KDE. > Can anyone confirm or deny the rumor? > > My vote is that it would be a good thing. Gnome is too > weird for me. The current KDE in Fedora 41 has some glitches, so needs some time to mature. Here, the "primary" display setting doesn't stick. -- George N. White III -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Make --show-new-leaves default in dnf5?
Does anyone know of a way to to $SUBJECT? I've looked through the man pages, but I didn't see anything obvious. -- If your user interface is intuitive in retrospect ... it isn't intuitive -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Make --show-new-leaves default in dnf5?
On Sun, 9 Feb 2025 at 18:02, Ian Pilcher wrote: > Does anyone know of a way to to $SUBJECT? I've looked through the man > pages, but I didn't see anything obvious. > I can't see anything in: dnf5-config-manager (8) - Config-manager Command dnf5.conf (5)- DNF5 Configuration Reference dnf5.conf-deprecated (5) - Config Options that are deprecated in DNF5 dnf5.conf-todo (5) - Options that are documented/implemented in DNF but not in DNF5 Or: dnf --dump-main-config dnf --dump-variables It's not terribly elegant but could you just `alias dnf5="dnf5 --show-new-leaves"` in somewhere like /etc/profile.d/dnf5custom.sh? -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: KDE and rumors
On Sun, Feb 9, 2025 at 6:25 AM Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > On Sat, 2025-02-08 at 19:46 -0800, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: > > [...] > I haven't used Mate so have no opinion. To me the major weakness of > KDE/Wayland (as a long-term KDE user) is the lack of true Session > Restore, i.e. being able to log out and in again, with all your windows > correctly positioned on the right desktops. That kind of works on > KDE/X11, but not yet on Wayland. See this ongoing BZ discussion: > > https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=436318 > > I read somewhere that session restore works on Gnome, but have never > been able to verify this. It's astonishing to me that this basic > usability feature seems to get so little attention. Session restoration is also important for remote administration and patching. If a machine gets rebooted because it took security updates or the admin installed software and rebooted the machine, then it would be very useful for the user if the session was restored when the user logged back in. Jeff -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
