Re: Thunderbird Mystery
On 2/26/24 19:44, Robert McBroom via users wrote: On one of my f39 systems Thundebird fails to start claiming that it is already running. "ksyguard" from root doesn't show anything I can recognize as having to do with Thunderbird. Rebooting does not get it to work. Looked at the ".thunderbird" file in the user directory and there are lots of entries there to make sense about. I can't close an instance that I can't find. The pop up window suggests using a different profile but I don't see any way to select a profile. Tried erasing Thunderbird and installing it again but the problem remains. Every once in a while, Thunderbird just loses its mind. No idea why. But I will generally just rename my ~/.thunderbird directory to something like ~/.thunderbird.old and launch Thunderbird again. It stinks, because you have to re-download your email, but it always clears it up. Or, as others have said, look for a lock file. In my case it's under /home/thomas/.thunderbird/huvoz3fr.default-release/lock or /home/thomas/.thunderbird/huvoz3fr.default-release/.parentlock. See if deleting those helps. -- Thomas -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Thunderbird Mystery
On Tue, 2024-02-27 at 08:54 -0600, Thomas Cameron wrote: > Every once in a while, Thunderbird just loses its mind. No idea why. But > I will generally just rename my ~/.thunderbird directory to something > like ~/.thunderbird.old and launch Thunderbird again. Is Thunderbird one of those apps that always runs once started, and never quits when you close the window? If so, I wonder if it's bad at handling users logging out and/or rebooting their computer? (Not removing the lock as it quits, or not being able to.) -- uname -rsvp Linux 3.10.0-1160.108.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu Jan 25 16:17:31 UTC 2024 x86_64 Boilerplate: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing list. -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Thunderbird Mystery
On 2/27/24 09:08, Tim via users wrote: Is Thunderbird one of those apps that always runs once started, and never quits when you close the window? There have been times in the past where this is the case, but they're few and far between these days. Not saying it doesn't happen, but I haven't seen it close but not kill the process in a long time. But when it does do that, it will often leave the lock file and cause the error that it's already running. If so, I wonder if it's bad at handling users logging out and/or rebooting their computer? (Not removing the lock as it quits, or not being able to.) That's pretty much the only time I've seen it happen. If you shut down your system while apps are running, there's a decent chance one of the apps will not close gracefully. I always just make sure I don't have anything running when I reboot. -- Thomas -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
[need help] Grub does not find my Fedora39 anymore
Hello, two days ago, i installed fedora jam 39 on an external drive. This runs successfully. BUT after restart and plug off the external drive Grub from my internal drive does not show my fedora39 installation. i have to choose the efi file directly via bios and loading efi file. then it runs. tried the different tips and tutorials from fedora, but in the end after running the script grub2-mkconfig it always recreates the grub menu without my fedora. very annoying. does anyone know, in which way this script identify the different os on my disk? here is the output of lsblk NAME MAJ:MIN RM SIZE RO TYPE MOUNTPOINTS sda 8:0 1 483,9M 0 disk └─sda1 8:1 1 483,7M 0 part /run/media/held/40f020fb-33eb-406b-a3b0-7f7ba297557b zram0 252:0 0 8G 0 disk [SWAP] nvme0n1 259:0 0 476,9G 0 disk ├─nvme0n1p1 259:1 0 512M 0 part ├─nvme0n1p2 259:2 0 4,9G 0 part ├─nvme0n1p3 259:3 0 510M 0 part [SWAP] ├─nvme0n1p4 259:4 0 600M 0 part /boot/efi ├─nvme0n1p5 259:5 0 1G 0 part /boot └─nvme0n1p6 259:6 0 469,5G 0 part /var/lib/docker/btrfs /home / if any further infos are neccessary, then pls ask. i will try to deliver. hope i will, i am not a developer. Regards Karl -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Thunderbird Mystery
On 2/27/24 10:12, Thomas Cameron wrote: On 2/27/24 09:08, Tim via users wrote: Is Thunderbird one of those apps that always runs once started, and never quits when you close the window? There have been times in the past where this is the case, but they're few and far between these days. Not saying it doesn't happen, but I haven't seen it close but not kill the process in a long time. But when it does do that, it will often leave the lock file and cause the error that it's already running. If so, I wonder if it's bad at handling users logging out and/or rebooting their computer? (Not removing the lock as it quits, or not being able to.) That's pretty much the only time I've seen it happen. If you shut down your system while apps are running, there's a decent chance one of the apps will not close gracefully. I always just make sure I don't have anything running when I reboot. Power failure is what left Thunderbird in a state. The lock was in the ".thunderbird" tree as a link to a nonexistent file "192.168.1.218:+7103". Deleting the entry enabled Thunderbird to start. Thanks to all -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: [need help] Grub does not find my Fedora39 anymore
On 2/27/24 10:58, karlderletzte wrote: Hello, two days ago, i installed fedora jam 39 on an external drive. This runs successfully. BUT after restart and plug off the external drive Grub from my internal drive does not show my fedora39 installation. i have to choose the efi file directly via bios and loading efi file. then it runs. tried the different tips and tutorials from fedora, but in the end after running the script grub2-mkconfig it always recreates the grub menu without my fedora. very annoying. does anyone know, in which way this script identify the different os on my disk? here is the output of lsblk NAME MAJ:MIN RM SIZE RO TYPE MOUNTPOINTS sda 8:0 1 483,9M 0 disk └─sda1 8:1 1 483,7M 0 part /run/media/held/40f020fb-33eb-406b-a3b0-7f7ba297557b zram0 252:0 0 8G 0 disk [SWAP] nvme0n1 259:0 0 476,9G 0 disk ├─nvme0n1p1 259:1 0 512M 0 part ├─nvme0n1p2 259:2 0 4,9G 0 part ├─nvme0n1p3 259:3 0 510M 0 part [SWAP] ├─nvme0n1p4 259:4 0 600M 0 part /boot/efi ├─nvme0n1p5 259:5 0 1G 0 part /boot └─nvme0n1p6 259:6 0 469,5G 0 part /var/lib/docker/btrfs /home / if any further infos are neccessary, then pls ask. i will try to deliver. hope i will, i am not a developer. Regards Karl boot up and rerun grub2-install from the internal system. -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
gnome-disks
Attaching a drive with gnome-disks used to use the accessing user. It now brings up a drop down menu of the list of all the users in /home. Is there a configuration to tell it to use the active user? -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Thunderbird Mystery
On Tue, 2024-02-27 at 11:19 -0500, Robert McBroom via users wrote: > Power failure is what left Thunderbird in a state. The lock was in the > ".thunderbird" tree as a link to a nonexistent file > "192.168.1.218:+7103". Deleting the entry enabled Thunderbird to start. Software really ought to be more robust than this. Power failures do happen, people shouldn't be expected to be running a UPS, and software does crash. A program ought to be able to detect a stale lock file still remaining and handle it itself. -- NB: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the list. The following system info data is generated fresh for each post: uname -rsvp Linux 6.2.15-100.fc36.x86_64 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Thu May 11 16:51:53 UTC 2023 x86_64 -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Thunderbird Mystery
On 02/27/2024 10:39 AM, Tim via users wrote: A program ought to be able to detect a stale lock file still remaining and handle it itself. And how do you suggest that it detects it? -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Thunderbird Mystery
On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 12:45 PM Joe Zeff wrote: > > On 02/27/2024 10:39 AM, Tim via users wrote: > > A program ought to be able to detect a stale lock file > > still remaining and handle it itself. > > And how do you suggest that it detects it? I can think of 2 ways off the top of my head 1) put the lockfile in a memory-based file system like /tmp, /run, etc. This is probably the "correct" way. 2) compare when the system was booted against when the lock file was created. If boot time > lock file time, lock file is stale. -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Thunderbird Mystery
On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 12:46 PM Joe Zeff wrote: > > On 02/27/2024 10:39 AM, Tim via users wrote: > > A program ought to be able to detect a stale lock file > > still remaining and handle it itself. > > And how do you suggest that it detects it? An in-memory semaphore. No lock file required. Jeff -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: [need help] Grub does not find my Fedora39 anymore
hello, thanks for the info, but unfortunately this is the result: grub2-install: Fehler: /usr/lib/grub/x86_64-efi/modinfo.sh existiert nicht. Bitte geben Sie --target oder --directory an. grub2-install: Error: /usr/lib/grub/x86_64-efi/modinfo.sh does not exist. Please specify --target or --directory. i find out that modul grub2-efi-x64 is missing. after installing the whole missing subdirectory is there. but grub2-install now complains: x86_64-efi is installed. grub2-install: Error: This utility should not be used for EFI platforms because it does not support UEFI Secure Boot. If you really wish to proceed, invoke the --force option. what is wrong here? i do have a efi platform. i do not uninstall anything... so i expect, that is was not neccessary in the past. Am 27.02.24 um 17:25 schrieb Robert McBroom via users: On 2/27/24 10:58, karlderletzte wrote: Hello, two days ago, i installed fedora jam 39 on an external drive. This runs successfully. BUT after restart and plug off the external drive Grub from my internal drive does not show my fedora39 installation. i have to choose the efi file directly via bios and loading efi file. then it runs. tried the different tips and tutorials from fedora, but in the end after running the script grub2-mkconfig it always recreates the grub menu without my fedora. very annoying. does anyone know, in which way this script identify the different os on my disk? here is the output of lsblk NAME MAJ:MIN RM SIZE RO TYPE MOUNTPOINTS sda 8:0 1 483,9M 0 disk └─sda1 8:1 1 483,7M 0 part /run/media/held/40f020fb-33eb-406b-a3b0-7f7ba297557b zram0 252:0 0 8G 0 disk [SWAP] nvme0n1 259:0 0 476,9G 0 disk ├─nvme0n1p1 259:1 0 512M 0 part ├─nvme0n1p2 259:2 0 4,9G 0 part ├─nvme0n1p3 259:3 0 510M 0 part [SWAP] ├─nvme0n1p4 259:4 0 600M 0 part /boot/efi ├─nvme0n1p5 259:5 0 1G 0 part /boot └─nvme0n1p6 259:6 0 469,5G 0 part /var/lib/docker/btrfs /home / if any further infos are neccessary, then pls ask. i will try to deliver. hope i will, i am not a developer. Regards Karl boot up and rerun grub2-install from the internal system. -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue-- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Thunderbird Mystery
On 02/27/2024 10:48 AM, Go Canes wrote: I can think of 2 ways off the top of my head 1) put the lockfile in a memory-based file system like /tmp, /run, etc. This is probably the "correct" way. 2) compare when the system was booted against when the lock file was created. If boot time > lock file time, lock file is stale. Another way is to run thunderbird from a script with a name such as tbird to avoid confusion. That script can check to see if there's a copy of thunderbird running, and if not, delete the lock file. If there is, of course, it just exits. -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: [need help] Grub does not find my Fedora39 anymore
On 2/27/24 07:58, karlderletzte wrote: two days ago, i installed fedora jam 39 on an external drive. This runs successfully. BUT after restart and plug off the external drive Grub from my internal drive does not show my fedora39 installation. You installed Fedora on the external drive, but you also have an installation on the internal drive? What did you use to do the installation? Are you booting with the external drive connected or not? What options does the grub menu show? -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: Thunderbird Mystery
Tim: >> A program ought to be able to detect a stale lock file >> still remaining and handle it itself. Joe Zeff: > And how do you suggest that it detects it? Other programs manage it, dunno what's so magic about it. It's not a problem that *I* need to solve. After a reboot, cron &/or fetchmail reports there was a stale lock and removes it, I get this email each time: Cron /usr/bin/fetchmail -d 900 (From: (Cron Daemon) ) fetchmail: removing stale lockfile And, in the past, lock files were done in RAM (tmpfs), which was empty at each boot. So this couldn't happen. -- uname -rsvp Linux 3.10.0-1160.108.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Thu Jan 25 16:17:31 UTC 2024 x86_64 Boilerplate: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing list. -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
Re: [need help] Grub does not find my Fedora39 anymore
On 2/27/24 11:25, Robert McBroom via users wrote: On 2/27/24 10:58, karlderletzte wrote: Hello, two days ago, i installed fedora jam 39 on an external drive. This runs successfully. BUT after restart and plug off the external drive Grub from my internal drive does not show my fedora39 installation. i have to choose the efi file directly via bios and loading efi file. then it runs. tried the different tips and tutorials from fedora, but in the end after running the script grub2-mkconfig it always recreates the grub menu without my fedora. very annoying. does anyone know, in which way this script identify the different os on my disk? here is the output of lsblk NAME MAJ:MIN RM SIZE RO TYPE MOUNTPOINTS sda 8:0 1 483,9M 0 disk └─sda1 8:1 1 483,7M 0 part /run/media/held/40f020fb-33eb-406b-a3b0-7f7ba297557b zram0 252:0 0 8G 0 disk [SWAP] nvme0n1 259:0 0 476,9G 0 disk ├─nvme0n1p1 259:1 0 512M 0 part ├─nvme0n1p2 259:2 0 4,9G 0 part ├─nvme0n1p3 259:3 0 510M 0 part [SWAP] ├─nvme0n1p4 259:4 0 600M 0 part /boot/efi ├─nvme0n1p5 259:5 0 1G 0 part /boot └─nvme0n1p6 259:6 0 469,5G 0 part /var/lib/docker/btrfs /home / if any further infos are neccessary, then pls ask. i will try to deliver. hope i will, i am not a developer. Regards Karl boot up and rerun grub2-install from the internal system. When you installed to the external disk, the /boot/efi/EFI/fedora/grub.cfg file was written to point to the external disk grub.cfg.using the uuid of that disk. The contents of the file are in the form of -- search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set=dev 61ee38e0-19db-4122-b49c-23794abe1479 set prefix=($dev)/grub2 export $prefix configfile $prefix/grub.cfg --- This file should have the uuid of your boot partition. The correct grub install program should repair it but there are a number of them. You can use blkid to get the uuid of your boot partition and edit the /boot/efi/EFI/fedora/grub.cfg file to point to the internal drive. -- ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
