Re: Mailing lists and Discourse

[Tim via users]

On Mon, 2022-10-24 at 03:40 +1030, Tim via users wrote:
> People have tried that kind of thing, here.  Suggesting support move to
> a web forum.  We have hyperkitty to thank/curse for that.  This list
> carries on, users maintaining its activity.  The various website things
> come and go.

My bugbear with conglomerated email lists and web forums is that while
they aim to serve both worlds, they each have different usage patterns,
which only partially overlap.  But in either case, people don't write
comprehensible replies.

*Yes*, you do *need* to quote bits in replies on web forums.  Five
people might reply to someone, we need some context of who you're
replying to, and what you're replying to.  We can't just "look up one"
because the message above yours may not be the one that you're replying
to.  *AND* its contents are usually not visible at the same time as
reading yours (many email gateway forums only show the contents of one
message at a time).
 
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Re: Mailing lists and Discourse

[Bob Marcan]

On Sun, 23 Oct 2022 17:03:58 -0400
Tom Horsley  wrote:

> Obviously the next step is to merge the Discourse server with systemd!
> 
> :-)

This is realy a winner. 
Drop the mailing list and i'm out. 
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Sound distorted (new, F36)

[Neal Becker]

I've got a lenovo laptop x1 carbon 2017 which has been working fine for
years on the latest fedora versions.  The sound survived to update to F36.
But something in an update in the past several weeks has broken it.  When I
try to conference with other users, they report my sound is distorted, even
though I've set the mic gain pretty low.  Their sound is rather low even
though  I've set volume 150%.  As I said, I've been using this setup for
years without these issues.

I'm using KDE and sound profile is "built-in audio pro".

I believe the sound is OK when using ear buds.

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Neal
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Re: Mailing lists and Discourse

[George N. White III]

On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 4:23 AM Tim via users 
wrote:

> On Mon, 2022-10-24 at 03:40 +1030, Tim via users wrote:
> > People have tried that kind of thing, here.  Suggesting support move to
> > a web forum.  We have hyperkitty to thank/curse for that.  This list
> > carries on, users maintaining its activity.  The various website things
> > come and go.
>
> My bugbear with conglomerated email lists and web forums is that while
> they aim to serve both worlds, they each have different usage patterns,
> which only partially overlap.  But in either case, people don't write
> comprehensible replies.
>

In my field, online forums from ESA and NASA have been vital tools for many
years.  NASA's original forum was specific to ocean optical remote sensing,
but
has now been merged with a forum that supports all of NASA's earth
observation
systems.   I suspect one reason for the change was the need to combat SPAM
and
DOS attacks.  The new forum requires external users to pass a CAPTCHA test
for each post.  It supports markdown, but you have to click on a preview
button to see how your post will look.


>
> *Yes*, you do *need* to quote bits in replies on web forums.  Five
> people might reply to someone, we need some context of who you're
> replying to, and what you're replying to.  We can't just "look up one"
> because the message above yours may not be the one that you're replying
> to.  *AND* its contents are usually not visible at the same time as
> reading yours (many email gateway forums only show the contents of one
> message at a time).
>
>
ESA's forum allows you to select the text fragment in a post and choose
"Quote"
to generate a reply that quotes the selected text.  It shows input and
previe
side-by-side, so isn't suitable for small screens, but neither is the
application it
supports.   The NASA forum seems to have discouraged all but the most
serious users, but the ESA forum has many users whose previous experience
is with
IOS or Android and who struggle with basic linux concepts, post screen
captures of
text windows, don't provide context, hijack threads, etc.

In my view, the educational systems are introducing computing without any
training in effective use of online communications, problem reporting, and
troubleshooting.  This creates problems and wasted energy for online forums
that no user interface can overcome.

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Re: Sound distorted (new, F36)

[Neal Becker]

On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 9:32 AM Neal Becker  wrote:

> I've got a lenovo laptop x1 carbon 2017 which has been working fine for
> years on the latest fedora versions.  The sound survived to update to F36.
> But something in an update in the past several weeks has broken it.  When I
> try to conference with other users, they report my sound is distorted, even
> though I've set the mic gain pretty low.  Their sound is rather low even
> though  I've set volume 150%.  As I said, I've been using this setup for
> years without these issues.
>
> I'm using KDE and sound profile is "built-in audio pro".
>
> I believe the sound is OK when using ear buds.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks,
> Neal
>

Well it looks like the issue is the "audio pro" profile.  I switched to
"analog stereo duplex" and I think it may be fixed.  This "audio pro" is
something new?
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Re: Mailing lists and Discourse

[Tim via users]

On Mon, 2022-10-24 at 11:32 -0300, George N. White III wrote:
> I suspect one reason for the change was the need to combat SPAM and
> DOS attacks.

I noticed comments about spam handling on the mailing lists Patrick
linked (the notion that the web forum was better at rejecting it).  I
have to wonder why.  Surely it can't just be captchas?  I'd hate having
to do those damn things for every post that I did.

Mailing lists have been getting better at rejecting spam, over the
years.  The sign-up processes being a bit better implemented than they
used to be.  And some moderate all new user's posts, but that could be
quite a chore, and doesn't help against determined spammers who post
normal interactions for a while, then spam afterwards.  (Likewise for
malcontents who post abusive mail, rather than marketing claptrap.)

But if I had to post to this mailing list through a website, I'd leave
immediately.  I don't have the time to deal with that inconvenience,
nor the slightest interest in doing so.



> The NASA forum seems to have discouraged all but the most
> serious users

That was an old complaint about Linux mailing lists and newsgroups (put
on your asbestos fireproof pants before daring to post anything, lest
you get flamed alive for saying something dumb).

> but the ESA forum has many users whose previous experience is with
> IOS or Android and who struggle with basic linux concepts, post
> screen captures of text windows, don't provide context, hijack
> threads, etc.

One of the pains of Windows was (and probably still is), that you
couldn't copy and paste text from many of the dialogue boxes (or not
copy something from the part of one that you wanted to).


> In my view, the educational systems are introducing computing without
> any training in effective use of online communications, problem
> reporting, and troubleshooting.  This creates problems and wasted
> energy for online forums that no user interface can overcome.

It's been many years since I worked in schools, but I remember similar
comments back then.  When I got into computing, we had to write our own
programs, and we had no OS.  Many years later when working at my local
school, one of their computing lessons comprised to learning to copy
and paste pictures into a word processor file.  That was in a high
school in the late 1980s.  The kids would have been doing more complex
computing at home.

If you commented on the absurdity of that, a common reply would have
been not wanting to scare students away by doing anything more complex.

But basic copy and pasting is art class stuff, and primary school age.
Computing classes should be about computing (accepting data, doing
something with it, hopefully with some decision making rules).  If you
don't actually get kids involved in programming, to some degree, who's
going to be the next generation to create software?  Only the self-
taught ones at home, who have some appalling programming practices.

A few years later I gave a short talk to some teachers on creating
webpages.  My approach was to teach something about the construct, the
purpose, the how and why.  Some feedback was that it was too technical.
Obviously they just wanted to type something and see it on the screen.
No understanding of what they were doing, at all.  These days, the same
people use wordpress, and the like, filling in templates.  I feel
that's like getting someone else to do your homework.

In the last few years I've got re-involved with some media education
teachers, and when wikispaces closed down I suggested they set up a
real website.  Which they kinda supported, but really didn't have much
of an idea (and still don't) about what they wanted to get out of a
website and have it do.  One meeting was like a staff conference in the
Absolutely Fabulous tv show.  "It should have pop up menus, and
animated video clips...  All flashy, and trendy looking."  And a bunch
of other handwaving.  But not a single idea about what information it
should contain.  You'd end up with some corporate website looking
thing, which ticks a box as "having a website," using some stock photos
of people apparently doing some work.  But, ultimately, is a completely
useless website.

Ignoring the silliness of creating a pointless website, these were
media education teachers, who ought to understand the concept of having
a message, and using a medium to disseminate it.  An actual purpose.

I made them a mock-up of a website which did impart some of the purpose
of their organisation.  A sample of what you could do, what you ought
to do, etc.  I got a whinge about it being "retro," but still got zero
input from them about *what* they'd actually want on a website, never
mind what it looked like.  And that's when I sunk the boot in, telling
them, "This is like being back at school when I was a student, and some
teachers would demand you did some project, complain that you didn't do
what they wanted you to do, but had never really told you what they
wanted f

Re: Sound distorted (new, F36)

[Tim via users]

On Mon, 2022-10-24 at 11:37 -0400, Neal Becker wrote:
> Well it looks like the issue is the "audio pro" profile.  I switched
> to "analog stereo duplex" and I think it may be fixed.  This "audio
> pro" is something new?

Yes, it seems something recent on my systems, too.  I don't know what
it's supposed to be, nor do.  It does almost (*) nothing, here.

I have an motherboard with some "pro audio" named hardware, which I'm
not actually making use of, so I don't know if it's pulling a name from
that, or if it's Linux's name for something else.

* In that if "Pro Audio" option is set in the sound preferences, I get
silence from just about everything.  If I run VLC and leave it playing
music, I can then go into VLC's audio menu, audio device sub-menu, and
see a list of six "Built-in Audio Pro" numbered devices (see the list
below), and one of them produces sound (no. 7), another produces
intermittent sound (no 10), the rest apparently do nothing.

Built-in Audio Pro
Built-in Audio Pro 3
Built-in Audio Pro 7
Built-in Audio Pro 8
Built-in Audio Pro 9
Built-in Audio Pro 10

I'm listening to sound on a HDMI monitor with built-in speakers.  I've
no idea if there's "normal default" channels in HDMI, and extra ones
(surround?) for other purposes.  My monitor has no information, nor
options, about audio channels.  And pulse audio seems to be completely
lacking in documentation.
 
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Re: KDE Task Manager Colouring Settings

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2022-10-24 at 09:32 +1100, Stephen Morris wrote:
> Hi,
>  Where do I find the settings to control the colour of the Task 
> Manager bar for KDE under X11. I have gone into the Edit Mode
> settings 
> and set the bar to Opaque, but that is not working to my
> satisfaction. 
> At the moment all the icons on the bar are almost transparent and the
> background colour of the bar changes depending on what application I 
> have displayed. For example, when I have a game I play being
> displayed 
> in Firefox the bar colour is a sort of yellow centre gradient (yellow
> from the left and right edges to white in the middle) and it if have 
> Thunderbird showing my mails the colour displayed is a slightly 
> off-white. In system settings->appearance->colours I have turned off 
> highlighting from the current colour theme.

I suggest you ask on the Fedora KDE list:

k...@lists.fedoraproject.org

poc
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Re: Mailing lists and Discourse

[Barry Scott]

> On 23 Oct 2022, at 16:50, Patrick O'Callaghan  wrote:
> 
> Many (perhaps all) of the gnome.org  mailing lsits are 
> being moved to
> Discourse. This apparently is a decision made by the Gnome Foundation
> and has caused a good deal of consternation on at least some of said
> lists. I speak mainly for the Evolution list but I think the same is
> true on at least some others. Some of the discussion can be seen at:

Python dev moved to discourse and that move has also seen push back from folks 
that prefer
email to a website.

My personal experience is that https://discuss.python.org works well and I'm 
not missing the
python email lists (that are still going). I like that I can use markup to put 
code into messages
that is not so well supported in email. I also like that I can follow more 
categories without having
to do the email subscribe dance.

The majority of user questions are on the website not email. It seems that 
people are voting with
their clicks.

I only have to login to one site and all the python categories, users, ideas, 
dev and more are all
there.

I have also logged in to the fedora version 
https://discussion.fedoraproject.org. At the moment
the topics in email are the more interesting.

Barry

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Re: Mailing lists and Discourse

[Barry Scott]

> On 24 Oct 2022, at 04:48, Cameron Simpson  wrote:
> 
> On 23Oct2022 17:03, Tom Horsley  wrote:
>> Obviously the next step is to merge the Discourse server with systemd!
>> :-)
> 
> &^$*$^*$&^$ systemd. What a heap of (^&(*^&(&^
> 
> I've been rebuilding a server recently with a fresh Ubuntu, and systemd has 
> been a massive PITA. Gah!
> 
> The idea's ok (parallel boot with dependencies and associated service up/down 
> though a single daemon). We've all written them. But when it's going sour, it 
> is remarkably unhelpful. To the point of wanting to throw the keyboard across 
> the room.

If you need help with systemd, feel free to reach out.
I been building solutions on systemd for a long time and happy to help.

Barry


> 
> Grumble,
> Cameron Simpson 
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Re: Mailing lists and Discourse

[George N. White III]

On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 1:13 PM Tim via users 
wrote:

> On Mon, 2022-10-24 at 11:32 -0300, George N. White III wrote:
> > I suspect one reason for the change was the need to combat SPAM and
> > DOS attacks.
>
> I noticed comments about spam handling on the mailing lists Patrick
> linked (the notion that the web forum was better at rejecting it).  I
> have to wonder why.  Surely it can't just be captchas?  I'd hate having
> to do those damn things for every post that I did.


I assume CAPTCHA’s are needed to block spambots.  I’m less likely to post
very simple replies, but for complex posts or when I’m interrupted while
writing, the CAPTCHA times out, which is very annoying.

>
>
> Mailing lists have been getting better at rejecting spam, over the
> years.  The sign-up processes being a bit better implemented than they
> used to be.  And some moderate all new user's posts, but that could be
> quite a chore, and doesn't help against determined spammers who post
> normal interactions for a while, then spam afterwards.  (Likewise for
> malcontents who post abusive mail, rather than marketing claptrap.)
>
> But if I had to post to this mailing list through a website, I'd leave
> immediately.  I don't have the time to deal with that inconvenience,
> nor the slightest interest in doing so.
>
>
>
> > The NASA forum seems to have discouraged all but the most
> > serious users
>
> That was an old complaint about Linux mailing lists and newsgroups (put
> on your asbestos fireproof pants before daring to post anything, lest
> you get flamed alive for saying something dumb).


Both the forums I mention have been remarkably tolerant and generally
encouraging towards new users.  There is fine line between encouraging new
users while also discouraging inefficient approaches to reporting problems.


>
> > but the ESA forum has many users whose previous experience is with
> > IOS or Android and who struggle with basic linux concepts, post
> > screen captures of text windows, don't provide context, hijack
> > threads, etc.
>
> One of the pains of Windows was (and probably still is), that you
> couldn't copy and paste text from many of the dialogue boxes (or not
> copy something from the part of one that you wanted to).


There are now good OCR tools, so many of my forum replies quote error
messages posted as screen captures or photos of the terminal using OCR
generated text.

>
>
>
> Specialist subjects (e.g. computing) need specialist teachers, and the
> course needs to have real purpose.  Not faking that you've done
> something.
>

The result is a bunch of graduates who think they are programmers, etc. yet
lack basic skills.

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Re: Grub Background Image not Displayed in Grub Boot Menu

[Stephen Morris]

On 24/10/22 09:13, Stephen Morris wrote:

On 24/10/22 05:17, Joe Wulf via users wrote:

Steve,

Move the png file somewhere under /boot; as likely /usr isn't mounted 
during initial grub boot processing.

I'll try that and see what happens, thankyou.
I tried putting the image in /boot/grub2/backgrounds but even though 
grub2-mkconfig picked it up and placed and entry for it in 
/boot/grub2/grub.cfg it still did not display at boot. Has Fedora 
actually disabled that functionality?


regards,
Steve



As a side note, in GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX, your 'nouveau' and 'nvidia' 
entries are duplicated.
Yeah, I noticed that but I'm not sure why. It's happened as a result 
of installing the rpmfusion nvidia drivers. At F36 install time I got 
the installer to activate 3rd party repositories, but it only 
activated the nvidia and steam rpmfusion repositories, so after 
install I activated the rpmfusion_nonfree and rpmfusion_free 
repositories by installing them, and then installing akmod_nvidia and 
kmod_nvidia packages. Given the structure of that line I'm assuming 
the first set of nvidia definitions were supplied at install time 
after the 3rd party repository activation, and the 2nd set is as a 
result of the install of the akmod and kmod packages, but I don't know.


regards,
Steve



R,
-Joe



On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 11:44:25 PM EDT, Stephen Morris 
 wrote:



Hi,
    I have the following default config file in /etc/default/grub, 
and I have issued the grub2-mkconfig command to update 
/boot/grub2/grub.cfg which confirms that it found the background 
image, and when I look at /boot/grub2/grub.cfg it contains the 
necessary command to load png support and contains the 
background-image command to load the referenced image file, but the 
background does not display when the grub menu does, what am I 
missing? I've had used the grub-customizer app, without doing any 
config changes, and it successfully load the image from the 
specifications in /etc/default/grub.


GRUB_TIMEOUT=100
GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR="$(sed 's, release .*$,,g' /etc/system-release)"
GRUB_DEFAULT=saved
GRUB_DISABLE_SUBMENU=false
GRUB_TERMINAL_OUTPUT="gfxterm"
GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="rd.driver.blacklist=nouveau 
modprobe.blacklist=nouveau nvidia-drm.modeset=1 rhgb quiet 
rd.driver.blacklist=nouveau modprobe.blacklist=nouveau

nvidia-drm.modeset=1"
GRUB_DISABLE_RECOVERY="false"
GRUB_ENABLE_BLSCFG=false
GRUB_BACKGROUND=/usr/share/sddm/themes/Galaxy-SDDM_3hu72/Galaxy-SDDM_3hu72.png

regards,
Steve


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Re: KDE Task Manager Colouring Settings

[Stephen Morris]

On 25/10/22 06:51, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Mon, 2022-10-24 at 09:32 +1100, Stephen Morris wrote:

Hi,
  Where do I find the settings to control the colour of the Task
Manager bar for KDE under X11. I have gone into the Edit Mode
settings
and set the bar to Opaque, but that is not working to my
satisfaction.
At the moment all the icons on the bar are almost transparent and the
background colour of the bar changes depending on what application I
have displayed. For example, when I have a game I play being
displayed
in Firefox the bar colour is a sort of yellow centre gradient (yellow
from the left and right edges to white in the middle) and it if have
Thunderbird showing my mails the colour displayed is a slightly
off-white. In system settings->appearance->colours I have turned off
highlighting from the current colour theme.

I suggest you ask on the Fedora KDE list:

k...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Thanks Patrick, I'll try that. I thought it was something in Fedora as 
KDE and Wayland (which still don't properly work together) doesn't 
exhibit the issue.


regards,
Steve


poc
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Re: switch user with audio/sound - ?

[Samuel Sieb]

On 10/20/22 04:48, lejeczek via users wrote:
How, if possible at all, to get audio/sound work when you switched to a 
different user?
I'm thinking here of 'sudo' & 'su' but would be happy of any other way 
to run GUI apps with user ID different from currently "normally" logged in.


If you actually do a graphical switch user from the login screen, then 
audio will work.  Doing it with sudo or su is more difficult, but might 
work.  You have to set the environment variables so that the audio 
server can be found and you might have to also set permissions on the pipes.

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Re: KDE Task Manager Colouring Settings

[Stephen Morris]

On 25/10/22 09:21, Stephen Morris wrote:

On 25/10/22 06:51, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Mon, 2022-10-24 at 09:32 +1100, Stephen Morris wrote:

Hi,
  Where do I find the settings to control the colour of the Task
Manager bar for KDE under X11. I have gone into the Edit Mode
settings
and set the bar to Opaque, but that is not working to my
satisfaction.
At the moment all the icons on the bar are almost transparent and the
background colour of the bar changes depending on what application I
have displayed. For example, when I have a game I play being
displayed
in Firefox the bar colour is a sort of yellow centre gradient (yellow
from the left and right edges to white in the middle) and it if have
Thunderbird showing my mails the colour displayed is a slightly
off-white. In system settings->appearance->colours I have turned off
highlighting from the current colour theme.

I suggest you ask on the Fedora KDE list:

k...@lists.fedoraproject.org
Thanks Patrick, I'll try that. I thought it was something in Fedora as 
KDE and Wayland (which still don't properly work together) doesn't 
exhibit the issue.
I resolved the issue by going into the global theme options and for the 
Breeze theme selecting "Desktop Layout" and applying it, but that has 
changed the icon for the throbber and destroyed the font display as text 
keeps switching between sharp and blurred.


regards,
Steve



regards,
Steve


poc
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Re: RPMFusion Repositories not Activated at F36 Install Time

[Jonathan Billings]

On Oct 22, 2022, at 21:56, Stephen Morris  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> As part of the install of F36 from the live CD I have, there is a 
> question asking whether or not to install 3rd party repositories. I have done 
> the install twice and replied to the message in the affirmative both times, 
> and all that did was enable the rpmfusion nvidia and steam repositories, it 
> did not enable the rpmfusion-nonfree nor the rpmfusion-free repositories, I 
> had to actually install them manually. Why, as I assumed the 3rd party 
> repositories were the rpmfusion ones?

This is as designed:

https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/workstation-working-group/third-party-repos/

If you want the full RPMfusion repositories, you will need to install them 
yourself. Fedora only includes a small subset of RPMfusion packages in special 
repositories. 

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Re: Mailing lists and Discourse

[Sam Varshavchik]

Patrick O'Callaghan writes:


It appears that the gnome.org is hosted by RedHat, which is a member of
the Gnome Foundation. That being the case, I would like to know if
there is any danger (I use the word advisedly) of this list and others
in the Fedora ecosphere suffering the same fate.


Maybe not right now, but it's only a matter of time. All these mailing lists  
are on borrowed time.


I understand that the explanation for the migration away from mailing lists  
is that maintaining the mailing lists is a hassle and takes up too much  
resources. I'm suspicious of the veracity of that; running a mail server,  
and some mailing lists, is not rocket science and doesn't take much. I run  
my own mail server. I can afford it. My various E-mail addresses are  
everywhere, and I did need to beef up my defenses and blacklist a bunch of  
sources, but once I got past that, it's mostly maintenance free. And mailing  
list servers are also, basically, set it and forget it. They run themselves.  
They're just dumb robots. So, Gnome's stated reasons ring a somewhat hollow  
to me. In this day and age, a VM dedicated to a mail server and a mailing  
list server should not be a herculean task. I think they just don't want to  
run mailing lists because, to put it simplistically, the cool kids are all  
on the interwebs, rather than old-fashioned mailing lists.


I've been observing, from the sidelines, the devolution of mailing lists,  
Usenet, and IRC into web-based discussion forums of various flavors; getting  
the bar lowered to the level of Twooter, Spacebook, and TokTik, and more of  
the same. It takes more mental effort and discipline to participate  
meaningfully in the former, but much less in the latter. It's a much lower  
barrier of entry; hence this latest episode with Gnome.


If you haven't seen it yet: I heartily recommend an old movie called  
"Idiocracy". After doing so you'll gain a different perspective on the Gnome  
mailing lists' shutdown and agree with my predictions for the eventual fate  
of this mailing list, too. I predict that Ubuntu's mailing lists will go  
first, though. ubuntu-users is an even bigger ghost-town than this one.


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Bugs in wine. Any alternatives?

[ToddAndMargo via users]

Hi All,

I am getting tired of all the endless bugs in Wine.
These are the current one that are screwing me.

Printing an envelope from Lotus Approach crashes Approach
https://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53425

can't find the power key when opening an Approach database
https://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53830

And it keeps getting worse and worse and worse
every new release.

 H !

Are there ANY alternatives to Wine (and Code Weavers)?

And yes I know that Wine is ransonware.  I can not
possibly put one or more of their developers on my
payroll.  I can barely put food on my table with
this endless recession and inflation.

-T

p.s. I have been relegated to running Approach
in qemu-kvm Windows 10.  YUK!  YUK!  YUK!
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Native Windows to qemu-kvm?

[ToddAndMargo via users]

Hi All,

Is there a way to tape a native Windows hard
drive and port it to qemu-kvm?


Many thanks,
-T

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Re: Native Windows to qemu-kvm?

[Slade Watkins via users]

On 10/24/22 11:38 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
> 
> Is there a way to tape a native Windows hard
> drive and port it to qemu-kvm?

Hm. Did a bit of digging... this is all I could find.

https://manuel.kiessling.net/2013/03/19/converting-a-running-physical-machine-to-a-kvm-virtual-machine/

I'll keep looking around for you...

-srw
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Re: Native Windows to qemu-kvm?

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 10/24/22 21:09, Slade Watkins via users wrote:

On 10/24/22 11:38 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:


Is there a way to tape a native Windows hard
drive and port it to qemu-kvm?


Hm. Did a bit of digging... this is all I could find.

https://manuel.kiessling.net/2013/03/19/converting-a-running-physical-machine-to-a-kvm-virtual-machine/


Yikes!



I'll keep looking around for you...

-srw

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Re: Native Windows to qemu-kvm?

[Samuel Sieb]

On 10/24/22 21:26, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

On 10/24/22 21:09, Slade Watkins via users wrote:

On 10/24/22 11:38 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:


Is there a way to tape a native Windows hard
drive and port it to qemu-kvm?


Hm. Did a bit of digging... this is all I could find.

https://manuel.kiessling.net/2013/03/19/converting-a-running-physical-machine-to-a-kvm-virtual-machine/


Yikes!


Yes, that's pretty crazy, but that's doing the conversion live without 
downtime and would have been somewhat easier with kpartx.  But it also 
doesn't apply to Windows.


I assume that you can shut the system down because otherwise I don't 
know how you would do it.  The easiest way is just to make a raw disk 
image from the source hard drive and boot that.  You can save a lot of 
space using a qcow image by using ntfsclone to copy the data since that 
only copies the used sectors.  Windows will probably be somewhat unhappy 
about the hardware changing underneath, but should be able to get over that.

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