Re: What package do I need to install for my Nvidia card
> On 17 Jun 2022, at 20:16, Anil F Duggirala wrote: > > So now I have noticed at boot time I am getting a message about "NVIDIA > kernel module missing, falling back to Nouveau". > I think I have Secure Boot enabled, could this be why it didn't work? > I have now followed the instructions in: > https://rpmfusion.org/Howto/Secure%20Boot > And I think I went through the whole process of importing the key (Im > not sure I did everything right). > If I have now imported the key correctly, do I need to reinstall those > packages to get the driver to work? > What do I need to do now to get the driver to load? Two things. The people working on this are on the rpmfusion lists you might want to ask for information there. My guess is that your system has not built new nvidia Kmods since you added the signing key. You will need to force the mod to be rebuilt so that is signed. I do not know what the reliable way to do the rebuild is. I do know that uninstall and install of nvidia rpms does not help as the kmod Is left after the uninstall and its presence prevents a rebuild. Once you update and get a new kernel it will rebuid. Barry > > thanks for your help, > > ___ > users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org > Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: > https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: Anyone use spf and dmarc and dkim?
Thomas Cameron writes: > But my point is, setting up spf works as expected. I've verified it via > my emails to known correctly configured mail servers like GMail. What I > don't understand is why, when it is apparently set up correctly, are > there mail servers which throw errors when I send email through a > mailing list. Is it a misconfiguration of the mailing list? The mailing list can't do anything about this. It's entirely a conversation between your server and the recipient's. SPF provides a list of authorized IPs. If you put your mailing lists' hosts in there, they're authorized, and the recipient should accept. If you don't, they're not authorized, and the recipient should reject. That's the basic idea in a nutshell. > Is it a misconfiguration of the receivers? No, it's a misunderstanding of what SPF can do. SPF was designed for what IETF mail geeks call "transactional mail flows", such as between you and your bank. By having their own mail server, and mailing you directly from that server, you can have pretty high confidence that it's from your bank, as typical script kiddies are unlikely to be able to spoof your bank's IP. But third-party mailing lists obviously break this model. So if you want to post to mailing lists you must not have their servers match "-" or "~" entries in your SPF configuration (including "all"). What in theory could work is DKIM, which depends on cryptographic signatures, not on (somewhat spoofable) IP source addresses, and therefore is designed to work for indirect mail flows, that have a relay host between your server and the recipient. Unfortunately, DKIM signatures are typically broken by mailing lists because they usually include Subject (which mailing lists add tags and serial numbers to) and the whole body (which mailing lists frequently add footers to). Users have different opinions about tagging Subject, but almost everybody likes footers, especially list admins. *sigh* ARC helps with this by implementing a "transitive trust" model. If a recipient trusts lists.fedoraproject.org, and they say your DKIM verified, this solves both the breakage of your DKIM signature and the DMARC From mismatch because the recipient will use the results from the mailing list's MTA instead of its own for authenticating you. > Why are they failing when I send them through an email list server? Because that's the whole point of SPF. If you do not explicitly authorize an IP to send your email, you want mail coming from that IP to be considered a spoof. That's how SPF provides security, that's the whole design. For a normal individual who does lots of "stuff" with mail from their server, the value in SPF is that when you send *direct* mail, the recipient can be pretty sure that it's someone with a valid account on your server. > What is the misconfiguration that you are saying I have? Using "-all" or "~all" in your SPF configuration. They are saying "reject mail whose last hop source IP isn't explicitly authorized", with "~all" being less strict but any receiver is within their rights to reject (for example, you probably want your bank and your customers to do so, right?) If you use "?all" (or no "all" at all), you're saying "you can trust mail direct from my server to be me, but sometimes I send indirect mail, so use your best judgment if it's not direct from my server." You might think "but why not check the Received fields for my server?" Unfortunately that's very easily, and very frequently, spoofed -- unless you sign them, which is exactly what ARC does. Steve ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: Anyone use spf and dmarc and dkim?
On Sat, 2022-06-18 at 11:39 +0930, Tim via users wrote: > System-wide ISP systems are able better than personal spam detection > systems. In the sense that an ISP gets thousands of emails, and when > scads of identical spam hit their server, it can be flagged and > deleted > as spam. This is completely different from any system (ISP-supplied > or > not) that only assesses your inbox in isolation. > That's why I turned off local spam detection years ago, and have never looked back. poc ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: What package do I need to install for my Nvidia card
On Sat, 2022-06-18 at 08:07 +0100, Barry wrote: > > Two things. The people working on this are on the rpmfusion lists you > might want to ask for information there. Thanks for your response Barry. I just sent an email to rpmfusion-us...@lists.rpmfusion.org , but it seems like that list is dead. > My guess is that your system has not built new nvidia Kmods since you > added the signing key. > > You will need to force the mod to be rebuilt so that is signed. > I do not know what the reliable way to do the rebuild is. Does anyone know how to do this? I already tried sudo depmod -ae, didn't work. > I do know that uninstall and install of nvidia rpms does not help as > the kmod > Is left after the uninstall and its presence prevents a rebuild. > > Once you update and get a new kernel it will rebuid. ok, thats cool, this happens relatively often, I think I can wait, thanks a lot Barry. > ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: What package do I need to install for my Nvidia card
Hi. On Sat, 18 Jun 2022 06:39:14 -0500 Anil F Duggirala wrote: >> My guess is that your system has not built new nvidia Kmods since you >> added the signing key. >> You will need to force the mod to be rebuilt so that is signed. >> I do not know what the reliable way to do the rebuild is. > Does anyone know how to do this? Try that (for the running kernel): dnf remove kmod-nvidia-$(uname -r) akmods --akmod nvidia You may want to do that for all the installed kernels. See akmods -h You can also use akmods-shutdown that rebuild for all the installed kernels, and is done at shutdown by the akmods-shutdown service (if enabled). -- francis ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: Anyone use spf and dmarc and dkim?
On 6/17/22 07:56, Thomas Cameron wrote: I have set up spf, dmarc, and dkim for my email domain. It *seems* to work well. I tested it by sending an email to my GMail account. When I look at the headers of the email, GMail says that it passes all three tests: ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@camerontech.com header.s=default header.b=My0caSvG; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of thomas.came...@camerontech.com designates 3.138.45.83 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=thomas.came...@camerontech.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE sp=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=camerontech.com But then, when I do something like send email to this list, I suddenly get a TON of error messages saying that the email failed spf tests because it's coming from the server of the mailing list instead of my email server. Is that normal? It's kind of frustrating. I added the ip address of the Fedora list server to my spf record, but that seems really hackish. What do folks do to set up email with dmarc, spf, and so on? Hi Thomas, Here's how I setup SPF. Create a separate subdomain in DNS to contain the spf TXT record that points to the mailserver: _spf.hostisimo.com. TXT "v=spf1 ip4:78.138.24.13 ~all" Now add an spf redirect TXT record to the mail server's domain and any other domains and subdomains that use the mail server. mailserver's domain: hostisimo.com.TXT "v=spf1 redirect=_spf.example.com" a subdomain: nospam.hostisimo.com. TXT "v=spf1 redirect=_spf.example.com" Here's what google says about it: ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of nob...@nospam.hostisimo.com designates 78.138.24.13 as permitted sender)... That's it. ezpz. Mike Wright ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: Anyone use spf and dmarc and dkim?
On 6/18/22 09:23, Mike Wright wrote: mailserver's domain: hostisimo.com. TXT "v=spf1 redirect=_spf.example.com" a subdomain: nospam.hostisimo.com. TXT "v=spf1 redirect=_spf.example.com" CORRECTION: (replaceing example.com with hostisimo.com) mailserver's domain: hostisimo.com.TXT "v=spf1 redirect=_spf.hostisimo.com" a subdomain: nospam.hostisimo.com. TXT "v=spf1 redirect=_spf.hostisimo.com" :/ ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: What package do I need to install for my Nvidia card
On 6/18/22 01:07, Barry wrote: You will need to force the mod to be rebuilt so that is signed. I do not know what the reliable way to do the rebuild is. I don't use nVidia anymore, but if memory serves, you use --force for that. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: Anyone use spf and dmarc and dkim?
On 6/18/22 02:20, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > What is the misconfiguration that you are saying I have? Using "-all" or "~all" in your SPF configuration. They are saying "reject mail whose last hop source IP isn't explicitly authorized", with "~all" being less strict but any receiver is within their rights to reject (for example, you probably want your bank and your customers to do so, right?) If you use "?all" (or no "all" at all), you're saying "you can trust mail direct from my server to be me, but sometimes I send indirect mail, so use your best judgment if it's not direct from my server." OK, I've changed the spf to ?all and we'll see if that works. Thanks. -- Thomas ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: What package do I need to install for my Nvidia card
> On 18 Jun 2022, at 12:39, Anil F Duggirala wrote: > > On Sat, 2022-06-18 at 08:07 +0100, Barry wrote: >> >> Two things. The people working on this are on the rpmfusion lists you >> might want to ask for information there. It’s alive, but the people you need to respond are busy. > > Thanks for your response Barry. I just sent an email > to rpmfusion-us...@lists.rpmfusion.org , but it seems like that list is > dead. > >> My guess is that your system has not built new nvidia Kmods since you >> added the signing key. >> >> You will need to force the mod to be rebuilt so that is signed. >> I do not know what the reliable way to do the rebuild is. > > Does anyone know how to do this? > I already tried sudo depmod -ae, didn't work. Depmod adds already built modules to the set known the kernel. It does not build modules. > >> I do know that uninstall and install of nvidia rpms does not help as >> the kmod >> Is left after the uninstall and its presence prevents a rebuild. >> >> Once you update and get a new kernel it will rebuid. > > ok, thats cool, this happens relatively often, I think I can wait, > > thanks a lot Barry. >> > ___ > users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org > Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: > https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: What package do I need to install for my Nvidia card
> On 18 Jun 2022, at 15:13, francis.montag...@inria.fr wrote: > > > Hi. > > On Sat, 18 Jun 2022 06:39:14 -0500 Anil F Duggirala wrote: >>> My guess is that your system has not built new nvidia Kmods since you >>> added the signing key. > >>> You will need to force the mod to be rebuilt so that is signed. >>> I do not know what the reliable way to do the rebuild is. > >> Does anyone know how to do this? > > Try that (for the running kernel): > > dnf remove kmod-nvidia-$(uname -r) > akmods --akmod nvidia As I said that does not work because the already built modules are not Deleted. It’s the absence of the module that triggers the build. It may be you can rm the nvidia module and that may good enough to trigger the build. > > You may want to do that for all the installed kernels. See akmods -h > > You can also use akmods-shutdown that rebuild for all the installed kernels, > and is done at shutdown by the akmods-shutdown service (if enabled). > > -- > francis > ___ > users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org > Fedora Code of Conduct: > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org > Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: > https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: Getting a new printer/scanner
On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 5:53 AM Tim via users wrote: > On Thu, 2022-06-16 at 10:02 +0200, andreas.fourn...@runbox.com wrote: > > I hope it isn't too much off-topic to solicit advice on what to get > > so that it would work flawlessly with Fedora. I'm looking for a > > rather basic model. When I browse the homepages of manufacturers I > > can't find any mention of support for Linux. Is there a list > > somewhere of printer/scanners that are supported by Linux? > > If only there was a way of searching for things like this on the > internet... > > Joking aside, Hewlett Packard, Brother, and Canon, to name just three > brands that frequently sell printers and scanners that can be used with > Linux. > > Read the software licenses before purchase. Vendors have been moving to licenses that assume no responsibility for bugs and make no claim that you will actually be able use the printer. > If you see a printer on sale that catches your interest, do a search > for its model name and linux driver. Try that approach. > CUPS is focusing on "driverless printing", e.g., automatic generation of the PPD (Postscript Printer Description). AirPrint is Apple's name for driverless printing from IOS devices. You may not need a printer-specific driver if you find a printer that supports AirPrint. You can narrow your search if you know how the printer will be connected. Linux systems use CUPS, which has undergone some major changes since the chief developer left Apple in 2019. CUPS has native support for driverless printing using IPP on a network. Some USB printers can use ipp-usb (Fedora has the package). Debian has good CUPS documentation: https://wiki.debian.org/CUPSDriverlessPrinting#ippoverusb -- George N. White III ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
rEFInd quirks
Trying to use rEFInd for a multiboot system. It starts with the graphic screen but only shows the logo. stays there forever. Didn't find a questions list. Can boot with supergrub2 but it has warts as well and see little activity for some time. Idesa would be appreciated ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: screen won't un-blank under specific timing
On 6/2/22 09:08, stan via users wrote: On Wed, 1 Jun 2022 10:54:50 -0400 Fulko Hew wrote: I just had it again, it's very rare. And it's happened over the last number of Fedora versions (-1 to -n) If I come back to use my computer and hit a key at exactly the same time as the screen decides to blank (I don't use screensavers) then the screen does blank, but no key or mouse activity (I've tried) will cause the screen to wake up again. I know the machine is still active because one of the keystrokes I tried, woke up and started to play a Youtube video that was paused on one of my browser instances. So everything is still working, but nothing (I've found) will un-blank the screen. Idea's anyone? [It's hard to replicate, but I seem to be able to time it right/wrong every few months.] What you describe is being caused by a race condition of some kind. The screensaver is not using locks to ensure atomic actions. So, two events are occurring at roughly the same time, and depending on which one wins the race, the screen recovers or thinks it is already recovered, even though it is blank [blank loses the race]. You could open a bugzilla against the screensaver, just so they are aware of the issue. It probably won't get fixed on its own, but if they are in the code anyway for something else, they might look at this too, if they know about it. Have you tried switching to a virtual console, Ctl-Alt-F[3-6]? That should trigger a context switch to the framebuffer driver, which refreshes the monitor. Then, if you switch back to the gui, usually Ctl-Alt-F1, the context switch back to the desktop should initialize things properly, because it thinks it is already active. Worth a try, but no guarantees. The virtual consoles have been losing functionality [1] as fewer and fewer developers use them, and recently started using simplefb from the kernel, so I'm not sure if that might not short circuit any context switching. 1. The latest was losing the scrollback buffer. That meant that screen lost its scrollback as well. I really miss it, any one know of a user space replacement, I'm tired of typing ' | less' after everything, the second time, when things scroll off the screen the first time. :-) Searching hasn't turned up a viable alternative. ___ Can use pkill, pgrep to query and restart the gui from the virtual console. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: screen won't un-blank under specific timing
On Sat, Jun 18, 2022 at 7:34 PM Robert McBroom via users < users@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote: > On 6/2/22 09:08, stan via users wrote: > > On Wed, 1 Jun 2022 10:54:50 -0400 > > Fulko Hew wrote: > > > >> I just had it again, it's very rare. > >> And it's happened over the last number of Fedora versions (-1 to -n) > >> > >> If I come back to use my computer and hit a key at exactly the same > >> time as the screen decides to blank (I don't use screensavers) then > >> the screen does blank, but no key or mouse activity (I've tried) will > >> cause the screen to wake up again. I know the machine is still > >> active because one of the keystrokes I tried, woke up and started to > >> play a Youtube video that was paused on one of my browser instances. > >> > >> So everything is still working, but nothing (I've found) will > >> un-blank the screen. > >> > >> Idea's anyone? > >> > >> [It's hard to replicate, but I seem to be able to time it right/wrong > >> every few months.] > > What you describe is being caused by a race condition of some kind. > > The screensaver is not using locks to ensure atomic actions. So, two > > events are occurring at roughly the same time, and depending on which > > one wins the race, the screen recovers or thinks it is already > > recovered, even though it is blank [blank loses the race]. You could > > open a bugzilla against the screensaver, just so they are aware of the > > issue. It probably won't get fixed on its own, but if they are in the > > code anyway for something else, they might look at this too, if they > > know about it. > > > > Have you tried switching to a virtual console, Ctl-Alt-F[3-6]? > > That should trigger a context switch to the framebuffer driver, which > > refreshes the monitor. Then, if you switch back to the gui, usually > > Ctl-Alt-F1, the context switch back to the desktop should initialize > > things properly, because it thinks it is already active. Worth a > > try, but no guarantees. The virtual consoles have been losing > > functionality [1] as fewer and fewer developers use them, and recently > > started using simplefb from the kernel, so I'm not sure if that might > > not short circuit any context switching. > > > > 1. The latest was losing the scrollback buffer. That meant that > > screen lost its scrollback as well. I really miss it, any one know of a > > user space replacement, I'm tired of typing ' | less' after everything, > > the second time, when things scroll off the screen the first time. :-) > > Searching hasn't turned up a viable alternative. > > ___ > Can use pkill, pgrep to query and restart the gui from the virtual console. > Except that when this happens, I don't think I can switch to a virtual console. Or at least if I did, the screen is still blanked and I'd be typing blind. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: rEFInd quirks
On Sat, Jun 18, 2022 at 8:33 PM Robert McBroom via users < users@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote: > Trying to use rEFInd for a multiboot system. It starts with the graphic > screen but only shows the logo. stays there forever. Didn't find a > questions list. Can boot with supergrub2 but it has warts as well and > see little activity for some time. > > Idesa would be appreciated > I've used rEFInd on Apple hardware to dual boot macOS and linux, but not for years. There have been issues when certain vendors only supported a short list of boot loader names. https://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/installing.html section called "Fixing a Failure to Find Linux" Issues with missing conflicting filesystem drivers are mentioned more than once in the documentation. Make sure you have drivers for the filesystems you need (the xfs driver may not be included in the rpm package) and delete any you don't need. -- George N. White III ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: screen won't un-blank under specific timing
On 6/18/22 20:10, Fulko Hew wrote: On Sat, Jun 18, 2022 at 7:34 PM Robert McBroom via users wrote: On 6/2/22 09:08, stan via users wrote: > On Wed, 1 Jun 2022 10:54:50 -0400 > Fulko Hew wrote: > >> I just had it again, it's very rare. >> And it's happened over the last number of Fedora versions (-1 to -n) >> >> If I come back to use my computer and hit a key at exactly the same >> time as the screen decides to blank (I don't use screensavers) then >> the screen does blank, but no key or mouse activity (I've tried) will >> cause the screen to wake up again. I know the machine is still >> active because one of the keystrokes I tried, woke up and started to >> play a Youtube video that was paused on one of my browser instances. >> >> So everything is still working, but nothing (I've found) will >> un-blank the screen. >> >> Idea's anyone? >> >> [It's hard to replicate, but I seem to be able to time it right/wrong >> every few months.] > What you describe is being caused by a race condition of some kind. > The screensaver is not using locks to ensure atomic actions. So, two > events are occurring at roughly the same time, and depending on which > one wins the race, the screen recovers or thinks it is already > recovered, even though it is blank [blank loses the race]. You could > open a bugzilla against the screensaver, just so they are aware of the > issue. It probably won't get fixed on its own, but if they are in the > code anyway for something else, they might look at this too, if they > know about it. > > Have you tried switching to a virtual console, Ctl-Alt-F[3-6]? > That should trigger a context switch to the framebuffer driver, which > refreshes the monitor. Then, if you switch back to the gui, usually > Ctl-Alt-F1, the context switch back to the desktop should initialize > things properly, because it thinks it is already active. Worth a > try, but no guarantees. The virtual consoles have been losing > functionality [1] as fewer and fewer developers use them, and recently > started using simplefb from the kernel, so I'm not sure if that might > not short circuit any context switching. > > 1. The latest was losing the scrollback buffer. That meant that > screen lost its scrollback as well. I really miss it, any one know of a > user space replacement, I'm tired of typing ' | less' after everything, > the second time, when things scroll off the screen the first time. :-) > Searching hasn't turned up a viable alternative. > ___ Can use pkill, pgrep to query and restart the gui from the virtual console. Except that when this happens, I don't think I can switch to a virtual console. Or at least if I did, the screen is still blanked and I'd be typing blind. Terminology problem. Ctl-Alt-F[3-6] gives you a command line session that is completely separate from your original. Requires login.___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: screen won't un-blank under specific timing
On Sat, Jun 18, 2022 at 8:55 PM Robert McBroom via users < users@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote: > On 6/18/22 20:10, Fulko Hew wrote: > > > > On Sat, Jun 18, 2022 at 7:34 PM Robert McBroom via users < > users@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote: > >> On 6/2/22 09:08, stan via users wrote: >> > On Wed, 1 Jun 2022 10:54:50 -0400 >> > Fulko Hew wrote: >> > >> >> I just had it again, it's very rare. >> >> And it's happened over the last number of Fedora versions (-1 to -n) >> >> >> >> If I come back to use my computer and hit a key at exactly the same >> >> time as the screen decides to blank (I don't use screensavers) then >> >> the screen does blank, but no key or mouse activity (I've tried) will >> >> cause the screen to wake up again. I know the machine is still >> >> active because one of the keystrokes I tried, woke up and started to >> >> play a Youtube video that was paused on one of my browser instances. >> >> >> >> So everything is still working, but nothing (I've found) will >> >> un-blank the screen. >> >> >> >> Idea's anyone? >> >> >> >> [It's hard to replicate, but I seem to be able to time it right/wrong >> >> every few months.] >> > What you describe is being caused by a race condition of some kind. >> > The screensaver is not using locks to ensure atomic actions. So, two >> > events are occurring at roughly the same time, and depending on which >> > one wins the race, the screen recovers or thinks it is already >> > recovered, even though it is blank [blank loses the race]. You could >> > open a bugzilla against the screensaver, just so they are aware of the >> > issue. It probably won't get fixed on its own, but if they are in the >> > code anyway for something else, they might look at this too, if they >> > know about it. >> > >> > Have you tried switching to a virtual console, Ctl-Alt-F[3-6]? >> > That should trigger a context switch to the framebuffer driver, which >> > refreshes the monitor. Then, if you switch back to the gui, usually >> > Ctl-Alt-F1, the context switch back to the desktop should initialize >> > things properly, because it thinks it is already active. Worth a >> > try, but no guarantees. The virtual consoles have been losing >> > functionality [1] as fewer and fewer developers use them, and recently >> > started using simplefb from the kernel, so I'm not sure if that might >> > not short circuit any context switching. >> > >> > 1. The latest was losing the scrollback buffer. That meant that >> > screen lost its scrollback as well. I really miss it, any one know of a >> > user space replacement, I'm tired of typing ' | less' after everything, >> > the second time, when things scroll off the screen the first time. :-) >> > Searching hasn't turned up a viable alternative. >> > ___ >> Can use pkill, pgrep to query and restart the gui from the virtual >> console. >> > > > Except that when this happens, I don't think I can switch to a > virtual console. Or at least if I did, the screen is still > blanked and I'd be typing blind. > > Terminology problem. Ctl-Alt-F[3-6] gives you a command line session that > is completely separate from your original. Requires login. > Yes, I am aware of that. It was the 2nd thing I tried. No matter what keystrokes I tried including screen switches, I could not get anything that would light up the screen again. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: screen won't un-blank under specific timing
On Wed, 2022-06-01 at 10:54 -0400, Fulko Hew wrote: > If I come back to use my computer and hit a key at exactly the same > time as the screen decides to blank (I don't use screensavers) then > the screen does blank, but no key or mouse activity (I've tried) will > cause the screen to wake up again. I know the machine is still > active because one of the keystrokes I tried, woke up and started to > play a Youtube video that was paused on one of my browser instances. > > So everything is still working, but nothing (I've found) will un- > blank the screen. > > Idea's anyone? The first obvious one is you could disable screen blanking. But I wonder if it's power management? Try disabling power management, the screen will show a black picture but not power off. -- uname -rsvp Linux 3.10.0-1160.66.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Wed May 18 16:02:34 UTC 2022 x86_64 Boilerplate: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing list. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: Getting a new printer/scanner
Tim: >> Joking aside, Hewlett Packard, Brother, and Canon, to name just >> three brands that frequently sell printers and scanners that can be >> used with Linux. George N. White III: > Read the software licenses before purchase. Vendors have been > moving to licenses that assume no responsibility for bugs and make > no claim that you will actually be able use the printer. Hasn't that always been the case, though? Even when you use the OS they designed it for. Basically the device only ever is known to work in their lab, and anywhere else is a bonus. It certainly seems that way, considering the appalling headaches it can be to get some printers to work. (On a par with used car sales.) > CUPS is focusing on "driverless printing", e.g., automatic generation > of the PPD (Postscript Printer Description). AirPrint is Apple's > name for driverless printing from IOS devices. You may not need a > printer-specific driver if you find a printer that supports AirPrint. I'd been toying with that, after recently installing Fedora 36. I've still had moments where prints have failed. At times, Fedora's printer app in has shown the printer is continually "processing" a job, but nothing has happened, or for unknown reasons the printer has "rejected a job." Even when I just tried printing some plain text from VIM. The inconsistency of it makes it extra hard to try and work out the problem. Though MuseScore still won't print 100% of the time. I'm sick of having to export to PDF and print the PDF file, in an annoying three-step process. -- uname -rsvp Linux 3.10.0-1160.66.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Wed May 18 16:02:34 UTC 2022 x86_64 Boilerplate: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing list. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: Getting a new printer/scanner
On 6/16/22 01:02, andreas.fourn...@runbox.com wrote: I hope it isn't too much off-topic to solicit advice on what to get so that it would work flawlessly with Fedora. I'm looking for a rather basic model. When I browse the homepages of manufacturers I can't find any mention of support for Linux. Is there a list somewhere of printer/scanners that are supported by Linux? It's very rare for a printer to not work with Linux now. Almost all new printers have at least IPP support even if there isn't a specific Linux driver for it. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
Re: What package do I need to install for my Nvidia card
On Sat, 18 Jun 2022 23:31:48 +0100 Barry wrote: >> Try that (for the running kernel): >> dnf remove kmod-nvidia-$(uname -r) >> akmods --akmod nvidia > As I said that does not work because the already built modules are not > Deleted. They are since akmod packages the modules in the kmod-nvidia-$(uname -r) RPM. Thus "dnf remove kmod-nvidia-$(uname -r)" properly removes the kernel modules. > It may be you can rm the nvidia module and that may good enough to trigger > the build. No trigger in this case IMO, you should call akmods to build them. -- francis ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
