Re: FreeIPA Users cannot log in via GDM after upgrade to Fedora 32

[John M. Harris Jr]

On Saturday, May 9, 2020 10:03:39 PM MST Thomas Letherby wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Sorry for not replying earlier, I got caught up in work for the week.
> 
> I confirmed the HBAC rules contained gdm and gdm-password. I don't think
> it's FreeIPA though as logins work under F31 just fine, but I patched up
> all the servers and still no dice.

See anything in /var/log/secure related to the login failing, or does it look 
like it succeeds, then dump you out of the session? Are other desktop 
environments effected?

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Re: Why do I have 4 kernels when the install limit is 3 ?

[Sreyan Chakravarty]

On 5/10/20 12:51 AM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
That's a good question.  Watch what happens the next time you have a 
kernel update. 


So this is a bug ?

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Re: Why do I have 4 kernels when the install limit is 3 ?

[Samuel Sieb]

On 5/10/20 12:43 AM, Sreyan Chakravarty wrote:


On 5/10/20 12:51 AM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
That's a good question.  Watch what happens the next time you have a 
kernel update. 


So this is a bug ?


I suppose, but it's not a problem as long as it doesn't keep 
accumulating them.  And it's probably not reproducible.  I'm wondering 
if the next kernel will keep 4 or remove 2 to get back to 3.


Did you ever install a kernel directly with rpm or dnf or has it always 
been through dnf upgrades?

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5.6 kernel is slower to boot

[Sreyan Chakravarty]

Hi,

I have just upgraded to Fedora 32 and am using the latest 5.6.10-300 
kernel. But I am seeing that is slower to boot than the 5.5 kernel that 
I was using in Fedora 31.


For example, when I enter my LUKS password, it takes a good 30 seconds 
to start the actual boot process. In 5.5 this use to happen almost 
instantaneously after I entered my password.


Anyone facing anything similar ? Or maybe knows why this is happening ?

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Re: Why do I have 4 kernels when the install limit is 3 ?

[Sreyan Chakravarty]

On 5/10/20 1:18 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
Did you ever install a kernel directly with rpm or dnf or has it 
always been through dnf upgrades? 



All the upgrades I have done is throuugh GNOME software. I didn't use 
dnf upgrade. Do you think that will cause a problem ?


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Fedora 32: hibernate/resume does not work

[fedora]

Hi everybody

Environment here:

[root@caprioli ~]# cat /etc/fedora-release
Fedora release 32 (Thirty Two)
[root@caprioli ~]#


root@caprioli ~]# uname -r
5.6.10-300.fc32.x86_64
[root@caprioli ~]#

[root@caprioli ~]# grub2-editenv - list
saved_entry=966c5755b3384d1192dbf3d3658c1e29-5.6.10-300.fc32.x86_64
kernelopts=root=UUID=3f218a1e-7f30-48b1-add4-fb17bff5a6b5 ro 
resume=UUID=0d51db0e-8463-4741-8bbe-d907fb2b1cb2

boot_success=1
boot_indeterminate=0
[root@caprioli ~]#


[cellino@caprioli ~]$ cat /proc/cmdline
BOOT_IMAGE=(hd3,gpt5)/boot/vmlinuz-5.6.10-300.fc32.x86_64 
root=UUID=3f218a1e-7f30-48b1-add4-fb17bff5a6b5 ro 
resume=UUID=0d51db0e-8463-4741-8bbe-d907fb2b1cb2

[cellino@caprioli ~]$


suspend works fine on this machine, but hibernate does›nt. Another 
installation on the same machine with fedora 31 hibernates/resumes 
flawlessly.


I assume very much that when closing down for hibernate, no image is 
created, because after booting up from (so to speak) hibernate, the last 
lines in the journal are:


[root@caprioli ~]# journalctl -b -1



May 10 09:47:53 caprioli.dyn.lan systemd[1]: Reached target Sleep.
May 10 09:47:53 caprioli.dyn.lan systemd[1]: Starting Hibernate...
May 10 09:47:53 caprioli.dyn.lan kernel: PM: Image not found (code -22)
May 10 09:47:53 caprioli.dyn.lan kernel: PM: hibernation: hibernation entry
May 10 09:47:53 caprioli.dyn.lan systemd-sleep[3134]: Suspending system...
lines 2285-2371/2371 (END)

where the 3rd line tells me, that no image has been created and written 
to swap.


The swap partition has 19.6 GB. The memory is 16 GB. I tried to give the 
system a much larger (1 TB) swap partition, no joy.


I also tried to go down to runlevel 3 before hibernating, and then 
resume into runlevel 3: no joy.


I also tried to adapt the dracut command-line.

[root@caprioli ~]# dracut --print-cmdline
 root=UUID=3f218a1e-7f30-48b1-add4-fb17bff5a6b5 rootfstype=ext4 
rootflags=rw,relatime

[root@caprioli ~]#

to include the resume parameter, but dracut did not even take my 
dracut.conf file into consideration.


Because the Fedora 31 installation on the same machine works flawlessly 
as far as hibernate/resume is concerned, I assume the BIOS parameters 
are such, that suspending/resuming is allowed.

Does the Fedora 32 Kernel, by default, prevent hibernate/resume?

I am at a loss of ideas on how to investigate further.

Any hint is highly  appreciated. Thank you very much.

suomi

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Re: 5.6 kernel is slower to boot

[Ed Greshko]

On 2020-05-10 16:37, Sreyan Chakravarty wrote:
> I have just upgraded to Fedora 32 and am using the latest 5.6.10-300 kernel. 
> But I am seeing that is slower to boot than the 5.5 kernel that I was using 
> in Fedora 31.
>
> For example, when I enter my LUKS password, it takes a good 30 seconds to 
> start the actual boot process. In 5.5 this use to happen almost 
> instantaneously after I entered my password.
>
> Anyone facing anything similar ? Or maybe knows why this is happening ?

Try

systemd-analyze blame

to see what process is taking the longest.

systemd-analyze time

will give you an overall picture.

FWIW, I'm actually seeing quicker boot times with 5.6 kernels than 5.5.

Sadly, I deleted the timing info.


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Re: Why do I have 4 kernels when the install limit is 3 ?

[Ed Greshko]

On 2020-05-10 16:38, Sreyan Chakravarty wrote:
>
> On 5/10/20 1:18 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
>> Did you ever install a kernel directly with rpm or dnf or has it always been 
>> through dnf upgrades? 
>
>
> All the upgrades I have done is throuugh GNOME software. I didn't use dnf 
> upgrade. Do you think that will cause a problem ?
>

I don't used gnome software tools to update.  However, I think I read that the 
gnome stuff does now
use dnf.

If you type

sudo dnf history

do you get a list of transactions?

If so, you should be able to find the ones with kernel updates and check to see 
if something odd happend.


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Re: Why do I have 4 kernels when the install limit is 3 ?

[Ed Greshko]

On 2020-05-10 16:38, Sreyan Chakravarty wrote:
>
> On 5/10/20 1:18 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
>> Did you ever install a kernel directly with rpm or dnf or has it always been 
>> through dnf upgrades? 
>
>
> All the upgrades I have done is throuugh GNOME software. I didn't use dnf 
> upgrade. Do you think that will cause a problem ?
>

Oh, I just realized the earliest kernel is quite old.  So, it will probably be 
hard to determine why
it wasn't removed when it should have been.  One would expect that you probably
did updates to the kernel between kernel-5.3.7 and kernel-5.5.15 and that early 
kernel will
continue to exist.

One does have to ask, at some time did you modify /etc/dnf/dnf.conf  to exclude 
that kernel?

In any event. you could just erase that one kernel.

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Re: Why do I have 4 kernels when the install limit is 3 ?

[Ed Greshko]

On 2020-05-10 03:00, Sreyan Chakravarty wrote:
>
>
> So then why do I have 4 kernels ?
>
> $ rpm -q kernel
> kernel-5.3.7-301.fc31.x86_64
> kernel-5.5.15-200.fc31.x86_64
> kernel-5.6.8-200.fc31.x86_64
> kernel-5.6.10-300.fc32.x86_64

The follow-on question would be what do you get for

dnf list installed kernel*5.3.7*

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fedora 32: no hibernate/resume

[fedora]

Hi everybody

Environment here:

[root@caprioli ~]# cat /etc/fedora-release
Fedora release 32 (Thirty Two)
[root@caprioli ~]#


root@caprioli ~]# uname -r
5.6.10-300.fc32.x86_64
[root@caprioli ~]#

[root@caprioli ~]# grub2-editenv - list
saved_entry=966c5755b3384d1192dbf3d3658c1e29-5.6.10-300.fc32.x86_64
kernelopts=root=UUID=3f218a1e-7f30-48b1-add4-fb17bff5a6b5 ro 
resume=UUID=0d51db0e-8463-4741-8bbe-d907fb2b1cb2

boot_success=1
boot_indeterminate=0
[root@caprioli ~]#


[cellino@caprioli ~]$ cat /proc/cmdline
BOOT_IMAGE=(hd3,gpt5)/boot/vmlinuz-5.6.10-300.fc32.x86_64 
root=UUID=3f218a1e-7f30-48b1-add4-fb17bff5a6b5 ro 
resume=UUID=0d51db0e-8463-4741-8bbe-d907fb2b1cb2

[cellino@caprioli ~]$


suspend works fine on this machine, but hibernate does›nt. Another 
installation on the same machine with fedora 31 hibernates/resumes 
flawlessly.


I assume very much that when closing down for hibernate, no image is 
created, because after booting up from (so to speak) hibernate, the last 
lines in the journal are:


[root@caprioli ~]# journalctl -b -1



May 10 09:47:53 caprioli.dyn.lan systemd[1]: Reached target Sleep.
May 10 09:47:53 caprioli.dyn.lan systemd[1]: Starting Hibernate...
May 10 09:47:53 caprioli.dyn.lan kernel: PM: Image not found (code -22)
May 10 09:47:53 caprioli.dyn.lan kernel: PM: hibernation: hibernation entry
May 10 09:47:53 caprioli.dyn.lan systemd-sleep[3134]: Suspending system...
lines 2285-2371/2371 (END)

where the 3rd line tells me, that no image has been created and written 
to swap.


The swap partition has 19.6 GB. The memory is 16 GB. I tried to give the 
system a much larger (1 TB) swap partition, no joy.


I also tried to go down to runlevel 3 before hibernating, and then 
resume into runlevel 3: no joy.


I also tried to adapt the dracut command-line.

[root@caprioli ~]# dracut --print-cmdline
 root=UUID=3f218a1e-7f30-48b1-add4-fb17bff5a6b5 rootfstype=ext4 
rootflags=rw,relatime

[root@caprioli ~]#

to include the resume parameter, but dracut did not even take my 
dracut.conf file into consideration.


Because the Fedora 31 installation on the same machine works flawlessly 
as far as hibernate/resume is concerned, I assume the BIOS parameters 
are such, that suspending/resuming is allowed.

Does the Fedora 32 Kernel, by default, prevent hibernate/resume?

I am at a loss of ideas on how to investigate further.

Any hint is highly  appreciated. Thank you very much.

suomi

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Re: fedora 32: no hibernate/resume

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Sun, 2020-05-10 at 12:21 +0200, fedora wrote:
> [cellino@caprioli ~]$ cat /proc/cmdline
> 
> BOOT_IMAGE=(hd3,gpt5)/boot/vmlinuz-5.6.10-300.fc32.x86_64 
> 
> root=UUID=3f218a1e-7f30-48b1-add4-fb17bff5a6b5 ro 
> 
> resume=UUID=0d51db0e-8463-4741-8bbe-d907fb2b1cb2
> 
> [cellino@caprioli ~]$
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> suspend works fine on this machine, but hibernate does›nt. Another 
> 
> installation on the same machine with fedora 31 hibernates/resumes 
> 
> flawlessly.

IIRC suspend doesn't use the swap partition or file, but hibernate
does. Check that the 'resume' UUID is still correct (it could possibly
have changed when you upgraded, depending on how you did it).

poc
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Re: AMD GPU not used by Fedora 31

[Sreyan Chakravarty]

On 5/8/20 1:58 AM, Samuel Sieb wrote:

https://askubuntu.com/a/1056431



I have read through the post and need your help in a couple of areas.

1) What is the difference between VGA compatible controller and Display 
Controller in the output of lspci:


00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Skylake GT2 [HD 
Graphics 520] (rev 07)


01:00.0 Display controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Sun 
XT [Radeon HD 8670A/8670M/8690M / R5 M330 / M430 / Radeon 520 Mobile] 
(rev 83)



2) Can you tell me how interpret the PCI bus information from the lspci 
output for the X conf file. For example, the post you linked they have 
specified the PCI bus as


|BusID "PCI:0@0:2:0" What will be the BusID in my case ? My AMD card is 
located at |01:00.0,

so does that mean the BusID will be :

|BusID "PCI:0@1:00:0"|

I have no idea on how to interpret it for the command. The man page is
not of much help either:

https://linux.die.net/man/5/xorg.conf.d

Let me know if anyone here can help me with this or else I will have ask
on the Xorg mailing list.
||



I still don't understand why you're spending so much effort on 
something that will be of little benefit or, more likely, no benefit 
or worse. 


Well you can't be sure until you have actually tried it, that whether it 
will be better or worse.


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Re: Why do I have 4 kernels when the install limit is 3 ?

[Sreyan Chakravarty]

On 5/10/20 2:52 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:

One does have to ask, at some time did you modify /etc/dnf/dnf.conf  to exclude 
that kernel?


No I did no such thing.

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Re: Why do I have 4 kernels when the install limit is 3 ?

[Sreyan Chakravarty]

On 5/10/20 2:28 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:

I don't used gnome software tools to update.  However, I think I read that the 
gnome stuff does now
use dnf.
Yeah, I want to do the same. Could you please share the dnf commands you 
use for an upgrade and a full distribution upgrade(Upgrading from F31 to 
F32) ?


If you type

sudo dnf history

do you get a list of transactions?


Nopes, this is what I get :

$ dnf history

ID | Command line  | Date and time    | Action(s)  | 
Altered


    19 |   | 2020-05-09 18:02 | D, E, I, U 
| 2335
    18 | install -y hexchat    | 2020-05-09 16:14 | Install    
|    1
    17 |   | 2020-05-09 15:14 | I, U   
|  227
    16 | group install --with-opti | 2020-05-02 07:31 | I, U   
|   61
    15 |   | 2020-05-02 06:28 | Install    
|    1
    14 | install neovim python3-ne | 2020-04-29 00:18 | Install    
|   13
    13 | remove vim-X11    | 2020-04-29 00:17 | Removed    
|    2
    12 | install powerline-fonts   | 2020-04-18 20:44 | Install    
|    1
    11 |   | 2020-04-13 22:10 | Upgrade    
|    1
    10 |   | 2020-04-13 22:07 | Removed    
|    1
 9 |   | 2020-04-13 22:06 | Removed    
|    1
 8 |   | 2020-04-13 22:06 | Removed    
|    1
 7 | install vlc   | 2020-04-13 21:48 | Install    
|   62
 6 |   | 2020-04-13 20:06 | Install    
|    2
 5 |   | 2020-04-13 18:17 | Install    
|    1
 4 |   | 2020-04-13 18:17 | Install    
|    1
 3 |   | 2020-04-13 17:19 | E, I, U    
| 1115
 2 |   | 2020-04-13 17:04 | Install    
|    1
 1 |   | 2020-04-13 16:42 | Install    
| 2197 EE



As you can see there is no mention of an upgrade here. I wonder if that 
is because Gnome uses a seperate tty for it or not.


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Re: fedora 32: no hibernate/resume

[Sreyan Chakravarty]

On 5/10/20 4:34 PM, fedora wrote:

suspend works fine on this machine, but hibernate does›nt.


Are you using a swap file or partition ?

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Re: Why do I have 4 kernels when the install limit is 3 ?

[Ed Greshko]

On 2020-05-10 19:12, Sreyan Chakravarty wrote:
>
> On 5/10/20 2:52 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
>> One does have to ask, at some time did you modify /etc/dnf/dnf.conf  to 
>> exclude that kernel?
>
> No I did no such thing.
>

OK.  It is not uncommon to make configuration changes and then at sometime in 
the furture
forget having done that.  Or, maybe only I've fallen victim to that.  :-)

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Re: Why do I have 4 kernels when the install limit is 3 ?

[Ed Greshko]

On 2020-05-10 19:15, Sreyan Chakravarty wrote:
>
> On 5/10/20 2:28 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
>> I don't used gnome software tools to update.  However, I think I read that 
>> the gnome stuff does now
>> use dnf.
> Yeah, I want to do the same. Could you please share the dnf commands you use 
> for an upgrade and a full distribution upgrade(Upgrading from F31 to F32) ?

This is a good reference.

https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/dnf-system-upgrade/

>>
>> If you type
>>
>> sudo dnf history
>>
>> do you get a list of transactions?
>
> Nopes, this is what I get :
>
> $ dnf history
>
> ID | Command line  | Date and time    | Action(s)  | 
> Altered
> 
>     19 |   | 2020-05-09 18:02 | D, E, I, U | 2335
>     18 | install -y hexchat    | 2020-05-09 16:14 | Install    |    1
>     17 |   | 2020-05-09 15:14 | I, U   |  227
>
>
> As you can see there is no mention of an upgrade here. I wonder if that is 
> because Gnome uses a seperate tty for it or not.
>

It does look as if a system upgrade using the gnome tools does something 
different.
I suppose I should learn what it doessomeday.  :-)

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Re: fedora 32: no hibernate/resume

[fedora]

Hi Sreyan

I am using a swap partition.

suomi

On 10/05/2020 13.17, Sreyan Chakravarty wrote:


On 5/10/20 4:34 PM, fedora wrote:

suspend works fine on this machine, but hibernate does›nt.


Are you using a swap file or partition ?


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Re: fedora 32: no hibernate/resume

[Sreyan Chakravarty]

On 5/10/20 5:18 PM, fedora wrote:


I am using a swap partition.



Thats strange it should work out of the box. Have you checked if there 
are any SELinux related access problems ?


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Re: 5.6 kernel is slower to boot

[Sreyan Chakravarty]

On 5/10/20 2:25 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:

systemd-analyze blame

to see what process is taking the longest.

systemd-analyze time


Ok here is my full systemd-blame:

https://pastebin.com/raw/ngsF5NUv

Is it normal for init-queue service to take so long ?

1min 37.191s dracut-initqueue.service

Here is the output of systemd-analyze time

Startup finished in 6.687s (firmware) + 8.393s (loader) + 2.328s (kernel) + 
1min 41.374s (initrd) + 1min 11.363s (userspace) = 3min 10.147s
graphical.target reached after 1min 11.343s in userspace

What can cause the initqueue to take so long ?


FWIW, I'm actually seeing quicker boot times with 5.6 kernels than 5.5.


I tried booting with the 5.5 kernel and the same delay happened. It is 
probably something related to the F32 upgrade.


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Re: 5.6 kernel is slower to boot

[Sreyan Chakravarty]

Is there a Gnome team for Fedora that I can reach out to?

On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 2:26 PM Ed Greshko  wrote:

> On 2020-05-10 16:37, Sreyan Chakravarty wrote:
> > I have just upgraded to Fedora 32 and am using the latest 5.6.10-300
> kernel. But I am seeing that is slower to boot than the 5.5 kernel that
> I was using in Fedora 31.
> >
> > For example, when I enter my LUKS password, it takes a good 30 seconds
> to start the actual boot process. In 5.5 this use to happen almost
> instantaneously after I entered my password.
> >
> > Anyone facing anything similar ? Or maybe knows why this is happening ?
>
> Try
>
> systemd-analyze blame
>
> to see what process is taking the longest.
>
> systemd-analyze time
>
> will give you an overall picture.
>
> FWIW, I'm actually seeing quicker boot times with 5.6 kernels than 5.5.
>
> Sadly, I deleted the timing info.
>
>
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Re: Run rpm %preun script in unconfined SELinux context

[Sam Varshavchik]

Gordon Messmer writes:


On 5/9/20 9:45 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote:

Raw Audit Messages
type=AVC msg=audit(1589082060.526:1156): avc:  denied  { signal } for   
pid=672912 comm="courierlogger"  
scontext=unconfined_u:unconfined_r:system_mail_t:s0-s0:c0.c1023  
tcontext=system_u:system_r:unconfined_service_t:s0 tclass=process  
permissive=0



I've filed bug reports on this in the past, but only successfully got the  
bug fixed in RHEL:


https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1161812

The problem isn't that rpm scripts run in a confined domain, but that  
"courierlogger" is labelled, and transitions to that domain whenever it is  
run.  The solution is to label courier binaries as "bin_t" so they aren't  
confined (until someone provides a policy for Courier).


Well, someone provided /usr/share/selinux/devel/include/contrib/courier.if  
at some point in the past, except that it's got several problems. This is  
just one of them. The other one is /var/www/cgi-bin/webmail getting blocked  
from connecting to the socket that the webmail server is listening on. The  
rpm packages have worked the way they're working for a long, long time,  
about 10+ years.


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Re: Run rpm %preun script in unconfined SELinux context

[Sam Varshavchik]

Samuel Sieb writes:


On 5/9/20 9:45 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
There is no issue using "systemctl stop" to stop the entire group of  
processes, only with using a script that attempts to signal one of process  
to gracefully shut itself down. Looking for ideas how to get this working. I  
think I need a way to run %preun scripts as unconfined, but I'm not sure. I  
haven't had much luck trying to find useful selinux documentation.


So why don't you just use "systemctl stop"?  That seems to be a lot simpler  
and more correct.


The main rpm package starts all services. All application services run under  
the same systemd service, and the startup script takes an inventory of which  
subpackages are installed, and starts each one's daemon. That seems even  
more simpler: a single systemd service, instead of half a dozen of them.


Except that if one subpackage gets removed, it needs to stop just its own  
service. This is easily done, except for selinux.


Now, I could also have subpackage rpms' %preun run systemctl stop, and  
%postun systemctl start, restarting everything, except for the removed  
services. But that's terrible.




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Re: network manager is killing me!

[Tom H]

On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 4:02 PM Tom Horsley  wrote:
>
> Thought I had everything working. I had created a 2nd
> bridge for use with virtual machines I want to keep
> off my local lan (one of the VMs operating as a
> firewall with two ethernets).
>
> Then I rebooted after installing updates, and I couldn't
> talk to anything in the outside world. Aaugh!
>
> Finally discovered I had two default routes, one (the
> one it picked for everything, of course) going through
> the 2nd bridge to nowhere.
>
> Eventually found magic incantation:
>
> nmcli con modify bifrost ipv4.never-default true
>
> (bifrost being my 2nd bridge).
>
> I may eventually get used to network manager, or I
> may die of old age.

You can edit "/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-*" (or
"/etc/NetowrkManager/system-connections/*.nmconnection" if you use
keyfiles) directly; although, it's fun to learn these nmcli commands
as you discover them and post them :)
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Re: 5.6 kernel is slower to boot

[Ed Greshko]

On 2020-05-10 19:52, Sreyan Chakravarty wrote:
>
>
> On 5/10/20 2:25 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
>> systemd-analyze blame
>>
>> to see what process is taking the longest.
>>
>> systemd-analyze time
>
> Ok here is my full systemd-blame:
>
> https://pastebin.com/raw/ngsF5NUv
>
> Is it normal for init-queue service to take so long ?
>
> 1min 37.191s dracut-initqueue.service  
>
> Here is the output of systemd-analyze time
>
> Startup finished in 6.687s (firmware) + 8.393s (loader) + 2.328s (kernel) + 
> 1min 41.374s (initrd) + 1min 11.363s (userspace) = 3min 10.147s 
> graphical.target reached after 1min 11.343s in userspace
>
> What can cause the initqueue to take so long ?
>> FWIW, I'm actually seeing quicker boot times with 5.6 kernels than 5.5.
>
> I tried booting with the 5.5 kernel and the same delay happened. It is 
> probably something related to the F32 upgrade.
>
>

Well, according the man page for dracut-initqueue.service

   This service runs all the main loop of dracut in the initramfs to find
   the real root.

This runs in 522ms on my system.  But I don't use LUKS.  Only a guess, but it 
seems it would be
related to that.  I've zero experience with LUKS.

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Re: Fedora 32 MTA

[George N. White III]

On Sat, 9 May 2020 at 19:11, John M. Harris Jr  wrote:

> On Saturday, May 9, 2020 2:02:11 PM MST Geoffrey Leach wrote:
> > I noticed that sendmail and mailx are not installed with the basic
> > workstation. Is there another MTA installed?
>
> I hope this is fixed in future Fedora.. This is just silly, though
> definitely
> in line with many of the other changes that have been made to Fedora
> recently.
>

Linux development today is mostly funded by big businesses and
governments.
Large enterprises have tight controls over email for security, legal, and
business
continuity reasons.  Those controls could break down if MTA's are installed
by
default without explicit action by administrators.One consequence is a
move
away from using email for status reports (cron, logwatch) towards job
management
tools that provide resource management and scheduling as well as logging
and
status reporting.

Maybe Fedora will need small business and hobbyist spins.

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Calc to excel -

[Bob Goodwin]

Is there a fedora scheme for making an LibreOffice calc file acceptable 
to excel in my daughter's Mac computer. Cal produces .ods and from what 
I have found excel wants xls or xslx according to goole? I see some web 
sites that claim to do the conversion on line, not really what I want to do.


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Re: Calc to excel -

[Ed Greshko]

On 2020-05-10 21:46, Bob Goodwin wrote:
> Is there a fedora scheme for making an LibreOffice calc file acceptable to 
> excel in my daughter's Mac computer. Cal produces .ods and from what I have 
> found excel wants xls or xslx according to goole? I see some web sites that 
> claim to do the conversion on line, not really what I want to do.

When you select "Save As" or "Save a Copy" from the File menu the dialog box has
a drop-down on the lower right with the option to save the file in multiple 
formats.
Options are xls and xslx.
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Re: Calc to excel -

[ITwrx]

On 5/10/20 8:52 AM, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 2020-05-10 21:46, Bob Goodwin wrote:
>> Is there a fedora scheme for making an LibreOffice calc file acceptable to 
>> excel in my daughter's Mac computer. Cal produces .ods and from what I have 
>> found excel wants xls or xslx according to goole? I see some web sites that 
>> claim to do the conversion on line, not really what I want to do.
> When you select "Save As" or "Save a Copy" from the File menu the dialog box 
> has
> a drop-down on the lower right with the option to save the file in multiple 
> formats.
> Options are xls and xslx.

You can also import files in MS formats into Calc. Keep in mind that
when converting between open (LO) and closed file formats (MS Excel)
that there could be some inconsistencies, depending on what features are
used. It's never happened to me that i recall, but i have simple needs
and limited usage. Point being, that it's safest to just use the open
formats, when possible. Keep copies of the originals, etc.

also, she might could install libreoffice on her mac. I don't know
anything about that though.

https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/install-howto/macos/

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Re: Calc to excel -

[Kevin Becker]

Excel 2016 for macOS will open ODS files.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/file-formats-supported-in-excel-for-mac-f9970726-bb98-489c-afe2-6d876873945a?ui=en-us&rs=en-us&ad=us

 

On Sun, 2020-05-10 at 09:46 -0400, Bob Goodwin wrote:
> Is there a fedora scheme for making an LibreOffice calc file
> acceptable 
> to excel in my daughter's Mac computer. Cal produces .ods and from
> what 
> I have found excel wants xls or xslx according to goole? I see some
> web 
> sites that claim to do the conversion on line, not really what I want
> to do.
> 
> *Bob*
> 
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Lots of files in /tmp

[Robert Moskowitz]

I was looking in /tmp (why may be another question for later) and found 
a LOT of files like these:



  4 -rw---.  1 rgm  rgm    1566 May 10 01:29 nscopy-85.tmp
  4 -rw---.  1 rgm  rgm    2146 May 10 01:31 nsemail-86.html
  4 -rw---.  1 rgm  rgm    1412 May 10 01:31 nsmail-88.tmp
  4 -rw---.  1 rgm  rgm    2242 May 10 01:31 nsemail-99.eml
  4 -rw---.  1 rgm  rgm    2242 May 10 01:31 nscopy-86.tmp
 12 -rw---.  1 rgm  rgm   11240 May 10 07:41 nsemail-87.html
 12 -rw---.  1 rgm  rgm   11059 May 10 07:41 nsmail-89.tmp
 16 -rw---.  1 rgm  rgm   12795 May 10 07:41 nsemail-100.eml
 16 -rw---.  1 rgm  rgm   12795 May 10 07:41 nscopy-87.tmp




I am running Thunderbird for my email client.

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Re: Lots of files in /tmp

[Ed Greshko]

On 2020-05-10 22:24, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> I was looking in /tmp (why may be another question for later) and found a LOT 
> of files like these:
>
>
>   4 -rw---.  1 rgm  rgm    1566 May 10 01:29 nscopy-85.tmp
>   4 -rw---.  1 rgm  rgm    2146 May 10 01:31 nsemail-86.html
>   4 -rw---.  1 rgm  rgm    1412 May 10 01:31 nsmail-88.tmp
>   4 -rw---.  1 rgm  rgm    2242 May 10 01:31 nsemail-99.eml
>   4 -rw---.  1 rgm  rgm    2242 May 10 01:31 nscopy-86.tmp
>  12 -rw---.  1 rgm  rgm   11240 May 10 07:41 nsemail-87.html
>  12 -rw---.  1 rgm  rgm   11059 May 10 07:41 nsmail-89.tmp
>  16 -rw---.  1 rgm  rgm   12795 May 10 07:41 nsemail-100.eml
>  16 -rw---.  1 rgm  rgm   12795 May 10 07:41 nscopy-87.tmp
>
>
> 
>
> I am running Thunderbird for my email client.
>

Yes.  And this is an open issue filed with mozilla.

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1589890


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Re: Lots of files in /tmp

[Robert Moskowitz]

On 5/10/20 10:24 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
I was looking in /tmp (why may be another question for later) and 
found a LOT of files like these:



  4 -rw---.  1 rgm  rgm    1566 May 10 01:29 nscopy-85.tmp
  4 -rw---.  1 rgm  rgm    2146 May 10 01:31 nsemail-86.html
  4 -rw---.  1 rgm  rgm    1412 May 10 01:31 nsmail-88.tmp
  4 -rw---.  1 rgm  rgm    2242 May 10 01:31 nsemail-99.eml
  4 -rw---.  1 rgm  rgm    2242 May 10 01:31 nscopy-86.tmp
 12 -rw---.  1 rgm  rgm   11240 May 10 07:41 nsemail-87.html
 12 -rw---.  1 rgm  rgm   11059 May 10 07:41 nsmail-89.tmp
 16 -rw---.  1 rgm  rgm   12795 May 10 07:41 nsemail-100.eml
 16 -rw---.  1 rgm  rgm   12795 May 10 07:41 nscopy-87.tmp




I am running Thunderbird for my email client.


Looks like these are from Thunderbird for mails sent?  It doesn't clean 
up after itself?


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Re: Calc to excel -

[Bob Goodwin]

On 2020-05-10 10:16, Kevin Becker wrote:

Excel 2016 for macOS will open ODS files.

°
Dunno what version she has. I assumed the file needed conversion, I'll 
try that.


I found the drop down for the Save As save format, I had to use a hand 
magnifier on my 27" screen but it was there and it worked. Now to find 
what exact format she need. To my surprise she took over my FC32 box 
yesterday to show me how to fix a problem, turns out she is an excel 
expert at some level and the skills are transferable to Calc. I'll send 
her a copy and see what she can do with it for me.


Thanks to all,   Bob




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Re: What process rolls the log files Saturday night?

[Jonathan Billings]

On May 10, 2020, at 01:20, Robert Moskowitz  wrote:
> 
> I see that my various log files have been rolled over at midnight.
> 
> But looking at the old and new cron, I can't see anything other than the 
> hourly anacron running and not seemingly doing anything...
> 
> So what did this?  Not complaining it happened, just trying to track things 
> down.

Logrotate in Fedora is launched by a systemd timer instead of a cron job. The 
first place to look is the rpm contents, where you would see:

/usr/lib/systemd/system/logrotate.timer

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Re: Fedora 32 MTA

[Jonathan Billings]

On May 10, 2020, at 08:47, George N. White III  wrote:
> Linux development today is mostly funded by big businesses and governments.  
> Large enterprises have tight controls over email for security, legal, and 
> business
> continuity reasons.  Those controls could break down if MTA's are installed 
> by 
> default without explicit action by administrators.One consequence is a 
> move
> away from using email for status reports (cron, logwatch) towards job 
> management
> tools that provide resource management and scheduling as well as logging and 
> status reporting.
> 
> Maybe Fedora will need small business and hobbyist spins.

I think it’s more likely that email is one of the biggest vectors of spam and 
malware and it’s unmaintained MTAs that end up being used to generate a lot of 
bogus email. On top of that, a lot of ISPs are blocking outbound port 25 so 
MTAs in a default configuration can’t deliver mail off the host anymore anyway. 

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Re: Power Mgmt problem

[Christopher Marlow]

On Sat, 2020-05-09 at 19:18 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> On 5/9/20 4:04 PM, Christopher Marlow wrote:
> > Nope that didnt fix it... My monitor still blinks on and off when
> > coming back to the computer after being away for a couple hours.
> > 
> > I just came back to the computer and the screen blinked 3 times. I
> > had
> > to turn off my monitor and turn it back on and hold a key down on
> > the
> > keyboard to get it to wake up on the 3rd try.
> 
> Try booting a live image and see if that has the same problem.
> 
> > Someone suggested to me else where that I should do a reformat and
> > only
> > use the xfce spin version to where my install is pure XFCE and not
> > XFCE
> > and Gnome.
> 
> That is irrelevant.  You can only run one desktop environment at a
> time. 
> They aren't going to conflict.  But have you tried using the Gnome 
> desktop to see if it works?
> 

No, I nuked and paved unfortantly. 



Thanks,
Chris
ch...@cwm030.com

Fedora 32
KDE Desktop
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Re: Fedora 32 MTA

[George N. White III]

On Sun, 10 May 2020 at 12:00, Jonathan Billings  wrote:

> On May 10, 2020, at 08:47, George N. White III  wrote:
> > Linux development today is mostly funded by big businesses and
> governments.
> > Large enterprises have tight controls over email for security, legal,
> and business
> > continuity reasons.  Those controls could break down if MTA's are
> installed by
> > default without explicit action by administrators.One consequence is
> a move
> > away from using email for status reports (cron, logwatch) towards job
> management
> > tools that provide resource management and scheduling as well as logging
> and
> > status reporting.
> >
> > Maybe Fedora will need small business and hobbyist spins.
>
> I think it’s more likely that email is one of the biggest vectors of spam
> and malware and it’s unmaintained MTAs that end up being used to generate a
> lot of bogus email. On top of that, a lot of ISPs are blocking outbound
> port 25 so MTAs in a default configuration can’t deliver mail off the host
> anymore anyway.


Those issues have been around for many years.  The removal of MTA's from
linux distros is relatively recent, and came after climate-gate and DNC
email fiascos raised the profile of email at high levels of enterprise
management.

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Re: Fedora 32 MTA

[Jonathan Billings]

On May 10, 2020, at 11:54, George N. White III  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Sun, 10 May 2020 at 12:00, Jonathan Billings  wrote:
> 
>> On May 10, 2020, at 08:47, George N. White III  wrote:
>> > Linux development today is mostly funded by big businesses and 
>> > governments.  
>> > Large enterprises have tight controls over email for security, legal, and 
>> > business
>> > continuity reasons.  Those controls could break down if MTA's are 
>> > installed by 
>> > default without explicit action by administrators.One consequence is a 
>> > move
>> > away from using email for status reports (cron, logwatch) towards job 
>> > management
>> > tools that provide resource management and scheduling as well as logging 
>> > and 
>> > status reporting.
>> > 
>> > Maybe Fedora will need small business and hobbyist spins.
>> 
>> I think it’s more likely that email is one of the biggest vectors of spam 
>> and malware and it’s unmaintained MTAs that end up being used to generate a 
>> lot of bogus email. On top of that, a lot of ISPs are blocking outbound port 
>> 25 so MTAs in a default configuration can’t deliver mail off the host 
>> anymore anyway.
>  
> Those issues have been around for many years.  The removal of MTA's from 
> linux distros is relatively recent, and came after climate-gate and DNC email 
> fiascos raised the profile of email at high levels of enterprise management.  
>  

I suspect you might be over-politicizing this issue. The Fedora discussion:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/NoDefaultSendmail#Detailed_Description

It’s worth noting that they reference Ubuntu’s decision from 2007. If anything, 
Fedora’s decision is well past due. 

Local mail delivery isn’t really a common configuration anymore, so it makes 
sense to slim down the default install and leave installing an MTA to people 
who are willing to properly configure the MTA to forward messages to a proper 
mail drop. 

LSB requires a sendmail binary, but I think in this case LSB that’s out of date 
with modern usage. 

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Re: Fedora 32 MTA

[Geoffrey Leach]

On Sun, 10 May 2020 12:53:12 -0300
"George N. White III"  wrote:

> On Sun, 10 May 2020 at 12:00, Jonathan Billings 
> wrote:
> 
> > On May 10, 2020, at 08:47, George N. White III 
> > wrote:  
> > > Linux development today is mostly funded by big businesses and  
> > governments.  
> > > Large enterprises have tight controls over email for security,
> > > legal,  
> > and business  
> > > continuity reasons.  Those controls could break down if MTA's are
> > >  
> > installed by  
> > > default without explicit action by administrators.One
> > > consequence is  
> > a move  
> > > away from using email for status reports (cron, logwatch) towards
> > > job  
> > management  
> > > tools that provide resource management and scheduling as well as
> > > logging  
> > and  
> > > status reporting.
> > >
> > > Maybe Fedora will need small business and hobbyist spins.  
> >
> > I think it’s more likely that email is one of the biggest vectors
> > of spam and malware and it’s unmaintained MTAs that end up being
> > used to generate a lot of bogus email. On top of that, a lot of
> > ISPs are blocking outbound port 25 so MTAs in a default
> > configuration can’t deliver mail off the host anymore anyway.  
> 
> 
> Those issues have been around for many years.  The removal of MTA's
> from linux distros is relatively recent, and came after climate-gate
> and DNC email fiascos raised the profile of email at high levels of
> enterprise management.
> 

Fedora disto organization should not be guided by the shortcomings of
server managers, let alone managers of Windows-based servers. 
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Re: Fedora 32 MTA

[Mark C. Allman]

On 5/10/20 12:20 PM, Jonathan Billings wrote:

On May 10, 2020, at 11:54, George N. White III  wrote:



On Sun, 10 May 2020 at 12:00, Jonathan Billings > wrote:


On May 10, 2020, at 08:47, George N. White III mailto:gnw...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Linux development today is mostly funded by big businesses and
governments.
> Large enterprises have tight controls over email for security,
legal, and business
> continuity reasons.  Those controls could break down if MTA's
are installed by
> default without explicit action by administrators.   One
consequence is a move
> away from using email for status reports (cron, logwatch)
towards job management
> tools that provide resource management and scheduling as well
as logging and
> status reporting.
>
> Maybe Fedora will need small business and hobbyist spins.

I think it’s more likely that email is one of the biggest vectors
of spam and malware and it’s unmaintained MTAs that end up being
used to generate a lot of bogus email. On top of that, a lot of
ISPs are blocking outbound port 25 so MTAs in a default
configuration can’t deliver mail off the host anymore anyway.

Those issues have been around for many years.  The removal of MTA's 
from linux distros is relatively recent, and came 
after climate-gate and DNC email fiascos raised the profile of email 
at high levels of enterprise management.


I suspect you might be over-politicizing this issue. The Fedora 
discussion:


https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/NoDefaultSendmail#Detailed_Description

It’s worth noting that they reference Ubuntu’s decision from 2007. If 
anything, Fedora’s decision is well past due.


Local mail delivery isn’t really a common configuration anymore, so it 
makes sense to slim down the default install and leave installing an 
MTA to people who are willing to properly configure the MTA to forward 
messages to a proper mail drop.


LSB requires a sendmail binary, but I think in this case LSB that’s 
out of date with modern usage.


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Not having sendmail by default is fine, so long as it's available. I can 
take it from there for my six systems.


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Re: Fedora 32 MTA

[Geoffrey Leach]

On Sun, 10 May 2020 12:20:44 -0400
Jonathan Billings  wrote:

> On May 10, 2020, at 11:54, George N. White III 
> wrote:
> > 
> >   
> >> On Sun, 10 May 2020 at 12:00, Jonathan Billings
> >>  wrote:  
> >   
> >> On May 10, 2020, at 08:47, George N. White III 
> >> wrote:  
> >> > Linux development today is mostly funded by big businesses and
> >> > governments. Large enterprises have tight controls over email
> >> > for security, legal, and business continuity reasons.  Those
> >> > controls could break down if MTA's are installed by default
> >> > without explicit action by administrators.One consequence is
> >> > a move away from using email for status reports (cron, logwatch)
> >> > towards job management tools that provide resource management
> >> > and scheduling as well as logging and status reporting.
> >> > 
> >> > Maybe Fedora will need small business and hobbyist spins.  
> >> 
> >> I think it’s more likely that email is one of the biggest vectors
> >> of spam and malware and it’s unmaintained MTAs that end up being
> >> used to generate a lot of bogus email. On top of that, a lot of
> >> ISPs are blocking outbound port 25 so MTAs in a default
> >> configuration can’t deliver mail off the host anymore anyway.  
> >  
> > Those issues have been around for many years.  The removal of MTA's
> > from linux distros is relatively recent, and came after
> > climate-gate and DNC email fiascos raised the profile of email at
> > high levels of enterprise management. 
> 
> I suspect you might be over-politicizing this issue. The Fedora
> discussion:
> 
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/NoDefaultSendmail#Detailed_Description
> 
> It’s worth noting that they reference Ubuntu’s decision from 2007. If
> anything, Fedora’s decision is well past due. 
> 
> Local mail delivery isn’t really a common configuration anymore, so
> it makes sense to slim down the default install and leave installing
> an MTA to people who are willing to properly configure the MTA to
> forward messages to a proper mail drop. 
> 
> LSB requires a sendmail binary, but I think in this case LSB that’s
> out of date with modern usage. 
> 
> --
> Jonathan Billings
> 

Local mail delivery may not be common, but it is something that
needs to be done. If not sendmail, then what?
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Re: Fedora 32 MTA

[Robert Moskowitz]

On 5/10/20 1:05 PM, Geoffrey Leach wrote:

On Sun, 10 May 2020 12:20:44 -0400
Jonathan Billings  wrote:


On May 10, 2020, at 11:54, George N. White III 
wrote:



On Sun, 10 May 2020 at 12:00, Jonathan Billings
 wrote:
   

On May 10, 2020, at 08:47, George N. White III 
wrote:

Linux development today is mostly funded by big businesses and
governments. Large enterprises have tight controls over email
for security, legal, and business continuity reasons.  Those
controls could break down if MTA's are installed by default
without explicit action by administrators.One consequence is
a move away from using email for status reports (cron, logwatch)
towards job management tools that provide resource management
and scheduling as well as logging and status reporting.

Maybe Fedora will need small business and hobbyist spins.

I think it’s more likely that email is one of the biggest vectors
of spam and malware and it’s unmaintained MTAs that end up being
used to generate a lot of bogus email. On top of that, a lot of
ISPs are blocking outbound port 25 so MTAs in a default
configuration can’t deliver mail off the host anymore anyway.
  
Those issues have been around for many years.  The removal of MTA's

from linux distros is relatively recent, and came after
climate-gate and DNC email fiascos raised the profile of email at
high levels of enterprise management.

I suspect you might be over-politicizing this issue. The Fedora
discussion:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/NoDefaultSendmail#Detailed_Description

It’s worth noting that they reference Ubuntu’s decision from 2007. If
anything, Fedora’s decision is well past due.

Local mail delivery isn’t really a common configuration anymore, so
it makes sense to slim down the default install and leave installing
an MTA to people who are willing to properly configure the MTA to
forward messages to a proper mail drop.

LSB requires a sendmail binary, but I think in this case LSB that’s
out of date with modern usage.

--
Jonathan Billings


Local mail delivery may not be common, but it is something that
needs to be done. If not sendmail, then what?


This is what I am dealing with for CRON and working on writing a script 
that does the local delivery.


It would be 'nice' to have some general purpose script that does local 
delivery to replace /.../sendmail when no MTA is installed...


My script failed on an SELINUX policy last night for LOGWATCH.  I have 
applied the recommended policy and will see what happens.  I kind of 
thought that the daily cron that runs logwatch runs as root and so it 
would just create the /var/spool/mail/root (that does not yet exist), 
but something failed, blocking mycron...


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Re: Working! - Re: user crontab

[Robert Moskowitz]

On 5/9/20 12:41 AM, Cameron Simpson wrote:

On 08May2020 20:32, Samuel Sieb  wrote:

On 5/8/20 4:32 PM, Cameron Simpson wrote:

On 08May2020 11:15, Robert Moskowitz  wrote:

I added inserting a Date: line and switched to using sed:

local]# cat mycron
#!/bin/sh

currentDate="$(date +'%a %b %d %T %Y')"


You don't need the double quotes. The shell parser recognises the 
assignment statement _before_ breaking things on whitespace.


That's not entirely true.  It will compress whitespace in the output 
if you don't use quotes.

$(date +'%a %b %d %T %Y')
$(date +'%a  %b  %d  %T  %Y')
will end up exactly the same without the double quotes around it.


It is entirely true. The collapsing happens when you _use_ the values:

   # all safe and reliable
   $ a=$( date +'%a %b %d %T %Y')
   $ b=$( date +'%a  %b  %d  %T  Y')
   $ c=$b

   # unquoted use
   $ echo $a
   Sat May 09 14:37:07 2020
   $ echo $b
   Sat May 09 14:37:15 2020
   $ echo $c
   Sat May 09 14:37:15 2020

   # quoted use
   $ echo "$a"
   Sat May 09 14:37:07 2020
   $ echo "$b"
   Sat  May  09  14:37:15  2020
   $ echo "$c"
   Sat  May  09  14:37:15  2020

The variable $b contains the multiple spaces you put in your date 
format. But they only survive is you quote the variable when you use it.


So the assignment statements do not need the quotes because of how the 
parsing is done.


Word separation happens in command _usage_ if you don't quote because 
the shell is in some ways a macro language. But $b contains the 
multiple spaces unharmed, you just have to not use it in a destructive 
way (== unquoted).



I am having problems taking out the '

I set up a little script and run it:

$ cat mcron
#!/bin/sh

currentDate="$(date +'%a %b %d %T %Y')"
echo "From cron@localhost  $currentDate"
[rgm@lx140e ~]$ ./mcron
From cron@localhost  Sun May 10 13:28:59 2020

Then I take out the '

$ cat mcron
#!/bin/sh

currentDate="$(date +%a %b %d %T %Y)"
echo "From cron@localhost  $currentDate"
[rgm@lx140e ~]$ ./mcron
date: extra operand ‘%b’
Try 'date --help' for more information.
From cron@localhost

I tried taking out the " as in your example and still get the error.

So I tried the %_b from the man and not dice:

$ cat mcron
#!/bin/sh

currentDate=$(date +%_a%_b%_d%_T%_Y)
echo "From cron@localhost  $currentDate"
[rgm@lx140e ~]$ ./mcron
From cron@localhost  SunMay1013:34:282020

So I am missing something compared to your experience.

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Re: Fedora 32 MTA

[Fred Smith]

On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 01:25:38PM -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> 
> 
> On 5/10/20 1:05 PM, Geoffrey Leach wrote:
> >On Sun, 10 May 2020 12:20:44 -0400
> >Jonathan Billings  wrote:
> >
> >>On May 10, 2020, at 11:54, George N. White III 
> >>wrote:
> >>>
> On Sun, 10 May 2020 at 12:00, Jonathan Billings
>  wrote:
> On May 10, 2020, at 08:47, George N. White III 
> wrote:
> >Linux development today is mostly funded by big businesses and
> >governments. Large enterprises have tight controls over email
> >for security, legal, and business continuity reasons.  Those
> >controls could break down if MTA's are installed by default
> >without explicit action by administrators.One consequence is
> >a move away from using email for status reports (cron, logwatch)
> >towards job management tools that provide resource management
> >and scheduling as well as logging and status reporting.
> >
> >Maybe Fedora will need small business and hobbyist spins.
> I think it’s more likely that email is one of the biggest vectors
> of spam and malware and it’s unmaintained MTAs that end up being
> used to generate a lot of bogus email. On top of that, a lot of
> ISPs are blocking outbound port 25 so MTAs in a default
> configuration can’t deliver mail off the host anymore anyway.
> >>>Those issues have been around for many years.  The removal of MTA's
> >>>from linux distros is relatively recent, and came after
> >>>climate-gate and DNC email fiascos raised the profile of email at
> >>>high levels of enterprise management.
> >>I suspect you might be over-politicizing this issue. The Fedora
> >>discussion:
> >>
> >>https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/NoDefaultSendmail#Detailed_Description
> >>
> >>It’s worth noting that they reference Ubuntu’s decision from 2007. If
> >>anything, Fedora’s decision is well past due.
> >>
> >>Local mail delivery isn’t really a common configuration anymore, so
> >>it makes sense to slim down the default install and leave installing
> >>an MTA to people who are willing to properly configure the MTA to
> >>forward messages to a proper mail drop.
> >>
> >>LSB requires a sendmail binary, but I think in this case LSB that’s
> >>out of date with modern usage.
> >>
> >>--
> >>Jonathan Billings
> >>
> >Local mail delivery may not be common, but it is something that
> >needs to be done. If not sendmail, then what?
> 
> This is what I am dealing with for CRON and working on writing a
> script that does the local delivery.
> 
> It would be 'nice' to have some general purpose script that does
> local delivery to replace /.../sendmail when no MTA is installed...

How about "procmail" ??

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Re: Fedora 32 MTA

[Robert Moskowitz]

On 5/10/20 1:48 PM, Fred Smith wrote:

On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 01:25:38PM -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote:


On 5/10/20 1:05 PM, Geoffrey Leach wrote:

On Sun, 10 May 2020 12:20:44 -0400
Jonathan Billings  wrote:


On May 10, 2020, at 11:54, George N. White III 
wrote:



On Sun, 10 May 2020 at 12:00, Jonathan Billings
 wrote:
On May 10, 2020, at 08:47, George N. White III 
wrote:

Linux development today is mostly funded by big businesses and
governments. Large enterprises have tight controls over email
for security, legal, and business continuity reasons.  Those
controls could break down if MTA's are installed by default
without explicit action by administrators.One consequence is
a move away from using email for status reports (cron, logwatch)
towards job management tools that provide resource management
and scheduling as well as logging and status reporting.

Maybe Fedora will need small business and hobbyist spins.

I think it’s more likely that email is one of the biggest vectors
of spam and malware and it’s unmaintained MTAs that end up being
used to generate a lot of bogus email. On top of that, a lot of
ISPs are blocking outbound port 25 so MTAs in a default
configuration can’t deliver mail off the host anymore anyway.

Those issues have been around for many years.  The removal of MTA's

>from linux distros is relatively recent, and came after

climate-gate and DNC email fiascos raised the profile of email at
high levels of enterprise management.

I suspect you might be over-politicizing this issue. The Fedora
discussion:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/NoDefaultSendmail#Detailed_Description

It’s worth noting that they reference Ubuntu’s decision from 2007. If
anything, Fedora’s decision is well past due.

Local mail delivery isn’t really a common configuration anymore, so
it makes sense to slim down the default install and leave installing
an MTA to people who are willing to properly configure the MTA to
forward messages to a proper mail drop.

LSB requires a sendmail binary, but I think in this case LSB that’s
out of date with modern usage.

--
Jonathan Billings


Local mail delivery may not be common, but it is something that
needs to be done. If not sendmail, then what?

This is what I am dealing with for CRON and working on writing a
script that does the local delivery.

It would be 'nice' to have some general purpose script that does
local delivery to replace /.../sendmail when no MTA is installed...

How about "procmail" ??

How would you use procmail in this situation.  Nothing sending mail, 
procmail just taking a file as input, adding whatever headers are still 
needed and putting it in mbox.


I have tried googling this and not yet found how.

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Re: Power Mgmt problem

[Christopher Marlow]

So even after a complete nuke and pave and even switched from XFCE back
to KDE the monitor is still doing the same thing.. I am having to power
off the monitor and hold a key on the keyboard and then power the
monitor back on. Its either the Intergrated graphics card or its gotta
be Fedora 32? One or the other. 


Chris
ch...@cwm030.com
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Re: 5.6 kernel is slower to boot

[Joe Zeff]

On 05/10/2020 05:52 AM, Sreyan Chakravarty wrote:

Ok here is my full systemd-blame:

https://pastebin.com/raw/ngsF5NUv



FWIW, you can ignore anything that takes less than a second.  You can 
probably mask NetworkManager-wait-online and can definitely mask 
ModemManager unless you're actually using a modem.  Not much, but it's a 
start.

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Re: Power Mgmt problem

[Francis . Montagnac]

Hi

On Sun, 10 May 2020 13:43:05 -0500 Christopher Marlow wrote:

> So even after a complete nuke and pave and even switched from XFCE back
> to KDE the monitor is still doing the same thing.. I am having to power
> off the monitor and hold a key on the keyboard and then power the
> monitor back on. Its either the Intergrated graphics card or its gotta
> be Fedora 32? One or the other. 

Or may be a change in the kernel, since you said that this started
happening in 31:

   I had the same problem in 31 right there at the end
   right before I upgraded to 32) -- 

I can suggest another workaround: switch to a textual console then
back to the graphic one. (Ctrl-Alt-F2 Ctrl-Alt-F1).

Have you looked at the system logs and/or the Xorg ones (if you are
using Xorg)?

-- 
francis
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Re: Power Mgmt problem

[Christopher Marlow]

I filed a bug report.. I hope that this gets squashed and fixed really
fast... This bug is happening to me in XFCE and KDE. 

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1833809


Chris
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Re: How do you Dual boot with Intel RST - Optane ?

[sean darcy]

On 5/9/20 9:12 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 5/9/20 3:38 PM, sean darcy wrote:

And it works. I can now dual boot, and Windows is a LOT faster.


Oh, the irony...


Absolutely. Why in the world would Dell sell an nvme laptop provisioned 
with RST ?

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Re: Working! - Re: user crontab

[Cameron Simpson]

On 10May2020 13:36, Robert Moskowitz  wrote:

It is entirely true. The collapsing happens when you _use_ the values:

   # all safe and reliable
   $ a=$( date +'%a %b %d %T %Y')
   $ b=$( date +'%a  %b  %d  %T  Y')
   $ c=$b

   # unquoted use
   $ echo $a
   Sat May 09 14:37:07 2020
   $ echo $b
   Sat May 09 14:37:15 2020
   $ echo $c
   Sat May 09 14:37:15 2020

   # quoted use
   $ echo "$a"
   Sat May 09 14:37:07 2020
   $ echo "$b"
   Sat  May  09  14:37:15  2020
   $ echo "$c"
   Sat  May  09  14:37:15  2020

The variable $b contains the multiple spaces you put in your date 
format. But they only survive is you quote the variable when you use 
it. [...]


I am having problems taking out the '


You've misread things.

Keep the ' quote, it is needed so that the '+.' argument remains 
_one_ argument to the date command.


We're talking about dropping the " from the "$(...)" part. So change:

 currentDate="$(date +'%a %b %d %T %Y')"

into:

 currentDate=$(date +'%a %b %d %T %Y')"

which does not need the double quotes because the shell parses 
currentDate=$(..) as the assignment because of the punctuation.


Cheers,
Cameron Simpson 
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Re: Working! - Re: user crontab

[Robert Moskowitz]

On 5/10/20 6:51 PM, Cameron Simpson wrote:

On 10May2020 13:36, Robert Moskowitz  wrote:

It is entirely true. The collapsing happens when you _use_ the values:

   # all safe and reliable
   $ a=$( date +'%a %b %d %T %Y')
   $ b=$( date +'%a  %b  %d  %T  Y')
   $ c=$b

   # unquoted use
   $ echo $a
   Sat May 09 14:37:07 2020
   $ echo $b
   Sat May 09 14:37:15 2020
   $ echo $c
   Sat May 09 14:37:15 2020

   # quoted use
   $ echo "$a"
   Sat May 09 14:37:07 2020
   $ echo "$b"
   Sat  May  09  14:37:15  2020
   $ echo "$c"
   Sat  May  09  14:37:15  2020

The variable $b contains the multiple spaces you put in your date 
format. But they only survive is you quote the variable when you use 
it. [...]


I am having problems taking out the '


You've misread things.

Keep the ' quote, it is needed so that the '+.' argument remains 
_one_ argument to the date command.


We're talking about dropping the " from the "$(...)" part. So change:

 currentDate="$(date +'%a %b %d %T %Y')"

into:

 currentDate=$(date +'%a %b %d %T %Y')"

which does not need the double quotes because the shell parses 
currentDate=$(..) as the assignment because of the punctuation.



Thanks!  This was explained off list.  Got it and fixed!

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Fedora 32 no MTA, CRON output and procmail

[Robert Moskowitz]

I have been digging for how to do today and found something interesting:

Back in Fedora 20, there was no MTA!

https://www.mhonarc.org/archive/html/procmail/2014-01/msg0.html

I worked on cron outbut via procmail way back then and used:

CRONDARGS=-m "/usr/bin/procmail -f cron"

So I just tried this and I have one problem with it.  No DATE header.

So my new script is better, so far, than procmail.  That is until 
someone tells me how to get procmail to add a DATE header.  Or maybe 
better for CRON to put it in, and the DATE/TIME it started the task, not 
when PROCMAIL would process the output.


thanks

BTW, Here is my current mycron script:

local]# cat mycron
#!/bin/sh

exec 3>> /var/spool/mail/$USER
currentDate=$(date +'%a %b %d %T %Y')
echo "From cron@localhost  $currentDate" >&3
currentDate2=$(date +'%a, %e %b %Y %T %z (%Z)')
echo "Date: $currentDate2" >&3
(cat) >&3
echo "" >&3

Thanks for all the help getting to this point.


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Re: Power Mgmt problem

[Christopher Marlow]

On Sun, 2020-05-10 at 19:46 -0500, ch...@cwm030.com wrote:
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: francis.montag...@inria.fr
> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 2:54pm
> To: "Community support for Fedora users" <
> users@lists.fedoraproject.org>
> Subject: Re: Power Mgmt problem
> 
> 
> Hi
> 
> On Sun, 10 May 2020 13:43:05 -0500 Christopher Marlow wrote:
> 
> > So even after a complete nuke and pave and even switched from XFCE
> back
> > to KDE the monitor is still doing the same thing.. I am having to
> power
> > off the monitor and hold a key on the keyboard and then power the
> > monitor back on. Its either the Intergrated graphics card or its
> gotta
> > be Fedora 32? One or the other. 
> 
> Or may be a change in the kernel, since you said that this started
> happening in 31:
> 
> I had the same problem in 31 right there at the end
> right before I upgraded to 32) -- 
> 
> I can suggest another workaround: switch to a textual console then
> back to the graphic one. (Ctrl-Alt-F2 Ctrl-Alt-F1).
> 
> Have you looked at the system logs and/or the Xorg ones (if you are
> using Xorg)?
> 
> -- 


I tried the ctrl alt f1 f2 f3 and nothing happens the screen stays
black. 

I dont know how to read the xorg log. 

Chris
ch...@cwm030.com


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Re: Power Mgmt problem

[Samuel Sieb]

On 5/10/20 5:53 PM, Christopher Marlow wrote:

On Sun, 2020-05-10 at 19:46 -0500, ch...@cwm030.com wrote:
  
-Original Message-

From: francis.montag...@inria.fr
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 2:54pm
To: "Community support for Fedora users" <
users@lists.fedoraproject.org>
Subject: Re: Power Mgmt problem

On Sun, 10 May 2020 13:43:05 -0500 Christopher Marlow wrote:


So even after a complete nuke and pave and even switched from XFCE

back

to KDE the monitor is still doing the same thing.. I am having to

power

off the monitor and hold a key on the keyboard and then power the
monitor back on. Its either the Intergrated graphics card or its

gotta

be Fedora 32? One or the other.


Or may be a change in the kernel, since you said that this started
happening in 31:

I had the same problem in 31 right there at the end
right before I upgraded to 32) --

I can suggest another workaround: switch to a textual console then
back to the graphic one. (Ctrl-Alt-F2 Ctrl-Alt-F1).

Have you looked at the system logs and/or the Xorg ones (if you are
using Xorg)?


I tried the ctrl alt f1 f2 f3 and nothing happens the screen stays
black.


After pressing CTRL-ALT-F3, what happens if you turn the monitor off and 
on?  Check if the CAPS lock key toggles the light when pressed.

Do you have another monitor around that you can test with?
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Re: Power Mgmt problem

[Christopher Marlow]

On Sun, 2020-05-10 at 18:07 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> 
> After pressing CTRL-ALT-F3, what happens if you turn the monitor off
> and 
> on?  Check if the CAPS lock key toggles the light when pressed.
> Do you have another monitor around that you can test with?
> ___



>  I sometimes have to turn the monitor off twice, sometimes 3 times
> toget the picture to come back on. If I was to do that, I'd see the
> drop down prompt on my screen ( aka the ctrl alt f3) 

No extra monitor :( 

I reported this as a bug report to Fedora and I see that you gotassigned to my 
bug report. 
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Re: Power Mgmt problem

[Samuel Sieb]

On 5/10/20 7:13 PM, Christopher Marlow wrote:

On Sun, 2020-05-10 at 18:07 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:


After pressing CTRL-ALT-F3, what happens if you turn the monitor off
and
on?  Check if the CAPS lock key toggles the light when pressed.
Do you have another monitor around that you can test with?
___



  I sometimes have to turn the monitor off twice, sometimes 3 times
toget the picture to come back on. If I was to do that, I'd see the
drop down prompt on my screen ( aka the ctrl alt f3)


No extra monitor :(

I reported this as a bug report to Fedora and I see that you gotassigned to my 
bug report.


No, that was just me adding myself to watch what happens.  I think you 
need to find a better component though, maybe the kernel, because it's 
clearly not an xfce problem and I don't know how closely xfce bugs are 
watched by maintainers.

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Re: Power Mgmt problem

[Joe Zeff]

On 05/10/2020 08:21 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
No, that was just me adding myself to watch what happens.  I think you 
need to find a better component though, maybe the kernel, because it's 
clearly not an xfce problem and I don't know how closely xfce bugs are 
watched by maintainers.


I think (and hope) that this depends on how many maintainers know how to 
work with Xfce, and how many bugs there are.

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Re: Fedora 32 MTA

[John M. Harris Jr]

On Sunday, May 10, 2020 5:45:43 AM MST George N. White III wrote:
> On Sat, 9 May 2020 at 19:11, John M. Harris Jr  wrote:
> > On Saturday, May 9, 2020 2:02:11 PM MST Geoffrey Leach wrote:
> > > I noticed that sendmail and mailx are not installed with the basic
> > > workstation. Is there another MTA installed?
> > 
> > I hope this is fixed in future Fedora.. This is just silly, though
> > definitely
> > in line with many of the other changes that have been made to Fedora
> > recently.
> 
> Linux development today is mostly funded by big businesses and
> governments.
> Large enterprises have tight controls over email for security, legal, and
> business
> continuity reasons.  Those controls could break down if MTA's are installed
> by
> default without explicit action by administrators.One consequence is a
> move
> away from using email for status reports (cron, logwatch) towards job
> management
> tools that provide resource management and scheduling as well as logging
> and
> status reporting.
> 
> Maybe Fedora will need small business and hobbyist spins.

Hi,
A default MTA doesn't actually deliver anything externally. It just provides 
local delivery. If this is met by some other function in Fedora, it's fine not 
to have it, but it otherwise breaks the traditional model, as you can no 
longer deliver local mail to local users.

-- 
John M. Harris, Jr.
Splentity

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formail - Re: Fedora 32 no MTA, CRON output and procmail

[Robert Moskowitz]

I almost have it...

On 5/10/20 7:03 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:

I have been digging for how to do today and found something interesting:

Back in Fedora 20, there was no MTA!

https://www.mhonarc.org/archive/html/procmail/2014-01/msg0.html

I worked on cron outbut via procmail way back then and used:

CRONDARGS=-m "/usr/bin/procmail -f cron"

So I just tried this and I have one problem with it.  No DATE header.



formail -i "Date: $(date +'%a, %e %b %Y %T %z (%Z)')" -s procmail

where stdin is the output from cron puts the "proper" email into 
/var/spool/mail/user


but how to get this into the crondargs line and get the quotes right?

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Re: user crontab

[Ed Greshko]

On 2020-05-07 06:00, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> I know I can edit the user crontab with:
>
> crontab -e
>
> and display it with
>
> crontab -l
>
> But where is it?  I don't see anything like ~/.crontab
>
> Secondly, and more importantly, is getting a email from the user crontab.  I 
> have in my crontab:
>
> SHELL=/bin/bash
> PATH=/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin
> MAILTO=rgm
>
>
> And nothing gets mailed to /var/spool/mail/rgm
>
> ls /var/spool/mail/ -ls
> total 0
> 0 -rw-rw. 1 rgm mail 0 May  5 17:21 rgm
> 0 -rw-rw. 1 rpc mail 0 May  5 17:07 rpc
>
>
> Do I need something like postfix with a minimal installation to get the 
> output from my crontab?
>

Sorry to be "late to the party".

I did the following

dnf install postfix
systemctl --now enable postfix

My crontab

SHELL=/bin/sh
MAILTO=egreshko
37 * * * * /home/egreshko/bin/tippy

Contents of /home/egreshko/bin/tippy

[egreshko@f31k ~]$ cat bin/tippy
#!/bin/sh

echo HI

ls /tmp

And then you can see the time has past with...

[egreshko@f31k ~]$ date
Mon 11 May 2020 11:38:01 AM CST

And this showed up in local mailbox

[egreshko@f31k ~]$ cat /var/spool/mail/egreshko
From egres...@f31k.greshko.com  Mon May 11 11:37:01 2020
Return-Path: 
X-Original-To: egreshko
Delivered-To: egres...@f31k.greshko.com
Received: by f31k.greshko.com (Postfix, from userid 1026)
    id 61824A7C95; Mon, 11 May 2020 11:37:01 +0800 (CST)
From: "(Cron Daemon)" 
To: egres...@f31k.greshko.com
Subject: Cron  /home/egreshko/bin/tippy
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Auto-Submitted: auto-generated
Precedence: bulk
X-Cron-Env: 
X-Cron-Env: 
X-Cron-Env: 
X-Cron-Env: 
X-Cron-Env: 
X-Cron-Env: 
X-Cron-Env: 
X-Cron-Env: 
X-Cron-Env: 
X-Cron-Env: 
X-Cron-Env: 
X-Cron-Env: 
Message-Id: <20200511033701.61824a7...@f31k.greshko.com>
Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 11:37:01 +0800 (CST)

HI
sddm-:0-WDrvkF
sddm-auth43c5c6d5-ceb7-4e5b-b09f-abe5c864fba1
systemd-private-a3fcb3cdd0024b53828446634851314a-chronyd.service-5olExh
systemd-private-a3fcb3cdd0024b53828446634851314a-colord.service-759pOi
systemd-private-a3fcb3cdd0024b53828446634851314a-dbus-broker.service-2c7ROg
systemd-private-a3fcb3cdd0024b53828446634851314a-ModemManager.service-e8g5zi
systemd-private-a3fcb3cdd0024b53828446634851314a-postfix.service-tkOnQf
systemd-private-a3fcb3cdd0024b53828446634851314a-rtkit-daemon.service-vXKr2h
systemd-private-a3fcb3cdd0024b53828446634851314a-systemd-logind.service-jmYKHf
systemd-private-a3fcb3cdd0024b53828446634851314a-upower.service-24SETg


Isn't that what you wanted?


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Re: formail - Re: Fedora 32 no MTA, CRON output and procmail

[Ed Greshko]

On 2020-05-11 11:33, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> I almost have it...
>
> On 5/10/20 7:03 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>> I have been digging for how to do today and found something interesting:
>>
>> Back in Fedora 20, there was no MTA!
>>
>> https://www.mhonarc.org/archive/html/procmail/2014-01/msg0.html
>>
>> I worked on cron outbut via procmail way back then and used:
>>
>> CRONDARGS=-m "/usr/bin/procmail -f cron"
>>
>> So I just tried this and I have one problem with it.  No DATE header.
>>
>
> formail -i "Date: $(date +'%a, %e %b %Y %T %z (%Z)')" -s procmail
>
> where stdin is the output from cron puts the "proper" email into 
> /var/spool/mail/user
>
> but how to get this into the crondargs line and get the quotes right?
>
>

Just want to make sure you saw my response to your original post Subject: user 
crontab?

The MTA has to be running in order for mail from cron to be processed.

What I did in my rather late response was to just install and start postfix.  I 
made no
configuration.  And I think that is what you were looking to do.  Just get mail 
in the local
inbox for cron jobs. 

Am I missing something?




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Re: fedora 32: no hibernate/resume

[fedora]

Do you find anything in
journalctl -b 0


On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 5:36 PM fedora  wrote:

As I said: when I hibernate, I very much assume that no image file is
written to disk. the machine goes down as it should.
But when I hit any key on the keyboard, it does not resume but it fully
boots into Fedora 32.

I usually use the sleep botton, which is configured to invoke a
hibernate, but sometimes I also used systemctl hibernate, both no joy.

suomi

On 10/05/2020 13.59, Sreyan Chakravarty wrote:
> What happens when you try to hibernate ?
>
> Are you using the command :
>   systemctl hibernate
> from the terminal?
>
> On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 5:24 PM fedora  > wrote:
>
> Selinux is disabled on this machine.
>
> [root@caprioli ~]# cat /etc/sysconfig/selinux
>
> # This file controls the state of SELinux on the system.
> # SELINUX= can take one of these three values:
> # enforcing - SELinux security policy is enforced.
> # permissive - SELinux prints warnings instead of enforcing.
> # disabled - No SELinux policy is loaded.
> SELINUX=disabled
>
>
> suomi
>
> On 10/05/2020 13.50, Sreyan Chakravarty wrote:
>  >
>  > On 5/10/20 5:18 PM, fedora wrote:
>  >>
>  >> I am using a swap partition.
>  >
>  >
>  > Thats strange it should work out of the box. Have you 
checked if

> there
>  > are any SELinux related access problems ?
>  >
>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
> Sreyan Chakravarty



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No , not that a am awavre of.
I  compared the journalctl -b 0 with the same of the machine, where 
hibernate/resume works, but I could not detect anything which would have 
told me: that is the reason why suspend/resume does not work.


suomi
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Re: fedora 32: no hibernate/resume

[Samuel Sieb]

On 5/10/20 11:18 PM, fedora wrote:

Do you find anything in
journalctl -b 0


Why do your emails break threading?  According to the headers, you're 
using Thunderbird, so why is it not replying correctly?

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Re: Fedora 32 MTA

[Tim via users]

On Sun, 2020-05-10 at 13:05 -0400, Mark C. Allman wrote:
> Not having sendmail by default is fine, so long as it's available.

+1

I don't see a problem if it's easy enough to add if *you* want it.

For a large number of casual users, they're not going to look at any
logging features.  No looking at root mail, no looking at /var/log,
etc.

For what it's worth, I'd always wanted to see the removal of CUPS as a
required service.  Not everybody has a printer, and it's not practical
on some hardware (e.g. those Raspberry Pi things), nor wanted on some
dedicated servers (e.g. a standalone webserver).

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Re: fedora 32: no hibernate/resume

[Samuel Sieb]

On 5/10/20 11:23 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 5/10/20 11:18 PM, fedora wrote:

Do you find anything in
journalctl -b 0


Why do your emails break threading?  According to the headers, you're 
using Thunderbird, so why is it not replying correctly?


Actually, it's even stranger than that.  That quote was not yours, you 
didn't really quote and your reply was at the bottom hidden by the 
previous poster's signature.

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Re: fedora 32: no hibernate/resume

[Samuel Sieb]

On 5/10/20 3:21 AM, fedora wrote:

[cellino@caprioli ~]$ cat /proc/cmdline
BOOT_IMAGE=(hd3,gpt5)/boot/vmlinuz-5.6.10-300.fc32.x86_64 
root=UUID=3f218a1e-7f30-48b1-add4-fb17bff5a6b5 ro 
resume=UUID=0d51db0e-8463-4741-8bbe-d907fb2b1cb2


What is the output of "blkid"?

suspend works fine on this machine, but hibernate does›nt. Another 
installation on the same machine with fedora 31 hibernates/resumes 
flawlessly.


I assume very much that when closing down for hibernate, no image is 
created, because after booting up from (so to speak) hibernate, the last 
lines in the journal are:


What are you doing to trigger the hibernate process?
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Fwd: Using cgroups v2 for “simple” tasks

[virgo]

Apologies for the duplicated message, but the one I sent earlier seems to have 
missed the target: it does not appear in the archives. Maybe I should have 
subscribed to the list before sending it…--- Begin Message ---
Greetings,

This machine is running under Fedora 32 Workstation Edition which means that, 
among other things, cgroups are under a unified hierarchy.

$ sdver=(`systemctl --version | tail -1`)
$ for i in "${sdver[@]}"; do printf "%s\n" "$i"; done | grep "hierarchy"
default-hierarchy=unified

Before the upgrade, I was using Fedora 30 and libcgroup v1, leveraging with 
that the libcgroup-tools to run some processes under certain constraints. 
Since the upgrade, my scripts broke. Here is an example:

```bash
## libcgroup v1
# Configuring a group
TGT='foo'
GRP='woe'
let M=(500 * 1024 * 1024)
let C=25
cgcreate -a "${TGT}:${TGT}" -t "${TGT}:${TGT}" -g memory:"$GRP" -g cpu:"$GRP"
printf "%d" "$M" > /sys/fs/cgroup/memory/"$GRP"/memory.limit_in_bytes
printf "%d" "$C" > /sys/fs/cgroup/cpu/"$GRP"/cpu.cfs_quota_us

# Using the new group
cgexec --sticky -g "memory,cpu:${GRP}" 
```

That does not cut it anymore. I tried to follow the manual and it led me to 
write something like the file below.

# 
group woe {
perm {
task {
uid = foo;
gid = foo;
}
}

memory {
memory.high = 524288000;
}

cpu {
cpu.max = 050 100;
}
}

My limited understanding of the documentation left me with the impression 
systemd would create the cgroup `foo` after a reboot. That, of course, turned 
out to be false, I would not be here otherwise.

So, here is where your help would be greatly appreciated: how to use the 
cgcreate command and the like under libcgroup v2? Alternatively, if the way is 
by configuration files, where to create them and how to enforce what they 
stipulate?

Thanks in advance.


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Fwd: Using cgroups v2 for “simple” tasks

[virgo]

The struggle is real… Sorry, again.

The original message:
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Greetings,

This machine is running under Fedora 32 Workstation Edition which means that, 
among other things, cgroups are under a unified hierarchy.

$ sdver=(`systemctl --version | tail -1`)
$ for i in "${sdver[@]}"; do printf "%s\n" "$i"; done | grep "hierarchy"
default-hierarchy=unified

Before the upgrade, I was using Fedora 30 and libcgroup v1, leveraging with 
that the libcgroup-tools to run some processes under certain constraints. 
Since the upgrade, my scripts broke. Here is an example:

```bash
## libcgroup v1
# Configuring a group
TGT='foo'
GRP='woe'
let M=(500 * 1024 * 1024)
let C=25
cgcreate -a "${TGT}:${TGT}" -t "${TGT}:${TGT}" -g memory:"$GRP" -g cpu:"$GRP"
printf "%d" "$M" > /sys/fs/cgroup/memory/"$GRP"/memory.limit_in_bytes
printf "%d" "$C" > /sys/fs/cgroup/cpu/"$GRP"/cpu.cfs_quota_us

# Using the new group
cgexec --sticky -g "memory,cpu:${GRP}" 
```

That does not cut it anymore. I tried to follow the manual and it led me to 
write something like the file below.

# 
group woe {
perm {
task {
uid = foo;
gid = foo;
}
}

memory {
memory.high = 524288000;
}

cpu {
cpu.max = 050 100;
}
}

My limited understanding of the documentation left me with the impression 
systemd would create the cgroup `foo` after a reboot. That, of course, turned 
out to be false, I would not be here otherwise.

So, here is where your help would be greatly appreciated: how to use the 
cgcreate command and the like under libcgroup v2? Alternatively, if the way is 
by configuration files, where to create them and how to enforce what they 
stipulate?

Thanks in advance.--- Begin Message ---
Greetings,

This machine is running under Fedora 32 Workstation Edition which means that, 
among other things, cgroups are under a unified hierarchy.

$ sdver=(`systemctl --version | tail -1`)
$ for i in "${sdver[@]}"; do printf "%s\n" "$i"; done | grep "hierarchy"
default-hierarchy=unified

Before the upgrade, I was using Fedora 30 and libcgroup v1, leveraging with 
that the libcgroup-tools to run some processes under certain constraints. 
Since the upgrade, my scripts broke. Here is an example:

```bash
## libcgroup v1
# Configuring a group
TGT='foo'
GRP='woe'
let M=(500 * 1024 * 1024)
let C=25
cgcreate -a "${TGT}:${TGT}" -t "${TGT}:${TGT}" -g memory:"$GRP" -g cpu:"$GRP"
printf "%d" "$M" > /sys/fs/cgroup/memory/"$GRP"/memory.limit_in_bytes
printf "%d" "$C" > /sys/fs/cgroup/cpu/"$GRP"/cpu.cfs_quota_us

# Using the new group
cgexec --sticky -g "memory,cpu:${GRP}" 
```

That does not cut it anymore. I tried to follow the manual and it led me to 
write something like the file below.

# 
group woe {
perm {
task {
uid = foo;
gid = foo;
}
}

memory {
memory.high = 524288000;
}

cpu {
cpu.max = 050 100;
}
}

My limited understanding of the documentation left me with the impression 
systemd would create the cgroup `foo` after a reboot. That, of course, turned 
out to be false, I would not be here otherwise.

So, here is where your help would be greatly appreciated: how to use the 
cgcreate command and the like under libcgroup v2? Alternatively, if the way is 
by configuration files, where to create them and how to enforce what they 
stipulate?

Thanks in advance.


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