Re: How to request a new package.

2019-08-04 Thread George N. White III
On Sat, 3 Aug 2019 at 17:29, Robin Laing  wrote:

> On 01/08/2019 01:28, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> > On 7/31/19 7:44 PM, Robin Laing wrote:
> >> Still should be a Fedora package though.
> >
> > There are lots of packages that would be nice to have, but someone has
> > to do the work.
> > ___
>
>
> So very true.
>
> One reason so many go to Ubuntu.  Seems to have everything.
>

Ubuntu has what economists call "network benefits" from a very large
and globally diverse user base.

For almost any hardware there will be people trying to make it work
with Ubuntu.  For almost any non-niche software there will be Ubuntu
users trying to make it work.  The PPA system makes it easy for
developers or porters to provide Ubuntu packages.

I often advise Windows users to find an older unloved and unwanted
PC that can't handle current windows software and install Linux (to
run some software from NASA that originated over 20 years ago on
SGI Irix and has never been ported to Windows).   Ubuntu usually
installs from a live image where other distros have problems.  If there
are problems, the Windows user can usually find a nearby Ubuntu
user to help at any research institute or university around the globe.

The biggest problems I have with Ubuntu is the many internet sites
that suggest using "sudo" where it is not appropriate and
users who to reinstall whenever something stops working instead of
learning how to fix the problem (too often because a side effect of
what they did with "sudo" made files in their home directory
inaccessible or put config files in root's home directory).


> I do wonder what will happen with the IBM ownership.
>

The majority of Fedora users will be people who use or
support Red Hat or CentOS production systems so gravitate
to fedora on development workstations or laptops.

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What is this selinux gibberish from dnf update about?

2019-08-04 Thread Tom Horsley
  Running scriptlet: mysql-selinux-1.0.0-8.fc30.noarch   62/287 
  Installing   : mysql-selinux-1.0.0-8.fc30.noarch   62/287 
  Running scriptlet: mysql-selinux-1.0.0-8.fc30.noarch   62/287 
libsemanage.semanage_direct_install_info: Overriding mysql module at lower 
priority 100 with module at priority 200.
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Final on enlarging swap - I really needed more memory

2019-08-04 Thread Robert Moskowitz

Just felt I should post a wrap up on my swap increase journey.

All last week I ran with 4GB real memory and a total of 8GB swap.

I was using all the real memory and pretty much 4GB of swap with poor 
performance.


What was going on?  With Fedora 28 I was running fairly well with 4GB, 
or was I?  Plus I upgraded from a 2 core x120e to a 4 core x140e and I 
thought things would be better.


So this morning I pulled a 4GB card out of another x140e I have that is 
currently off.


Free is reporting:

$ free
  total    used    free  shared buff/cache   
available

Mem:    7416056 3609248  860448  354948 2946360 3158088
Swap:   3419132   0 3419132

and performance is just fine.  So I was suffering with only 4GB of real 
memory.  Perhaps F30 needs more than F28 or 4 core is just having more 
things going and needs more memory.


Anyway, going to have to pop for the $20 for a 4GB card to put into the 
system that is sitting with no memory


Thanks for the help on adding a swap file.  I have recorded that in my 
instructions file for any future need.




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Re: Fool mouse with minecraft

2019-08-04 Thread Robert Moskowitz
After what I went through on my upgrade to F30, I suggest you look at 
memory available.


All that video needs buffers.  If you are short, the mouse could suffer 
from whatever it needs.


Free is easy to run.

On 8/3/19 2:10 PM, Frédéric wrote:

Hi,

I'm using F30 with KDE Plasma. I also use the nvidia proprietary
drivers from rpmfusion so that my children can play minecraft with
high enough fps.

One thing they complain about is a strange behavior of the mouse when
they play minecraft. I mean that the mouse sometimes (very often)
moves suddenly in unpredictable direction. Has anyone experienced such
issue?
I also discovered that there are mouse lags a lot if 2 sessions are
open at the same time with switch user (that was true with F29, I did
not try since I upgraded to F30 few days ago). I have no clue if this
is related.

Kind regards,

F
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Re: Fool mouse with minecraft

2019-08-04 Thread Frédéric
> After what I went through on my upgrade to F30, I suggest you look at
> memory available.

Thanks but it seems simpler than that. We tested another mouse and it
worked much better. So it's probably the wire that has false contact.
Cheers,
F
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Re: Final on enlarging swap - I really needed more memory

2019-08-04 Thread sixpack13
your is an ThinkPad X140e ?

according to this 
https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/ThinkPad-X-Series-Laptops/Unofficial-Max-RAM-Capacity-for-x120e/m-p/3717347/highlight/true#M77742
and
https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/forums/v3_1/forumtopicpage/board-id/tp02_en/thread-id/37966/page/3
and
https://imgur.com/a/Y5xrC

it seems there is NOT a vendor limit of 2 x 4GB only !
they are talking about an X120e with last bios, though ...
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Re: Fool mouse with minecraft

2019-08-04 Thread Tim via users
On Sun, 2019-08-04 at 19:28 +0200, Frédéric wrote:
> it seems simpler than that. We tested another mouse and it worked
> much better. So it's probably the wire that has false contact.

Mice do wear out.  The cable, the connections, are subject to metal
fatigue.  Fluff getting into optical sensors can make them erratic. 
Buttons wear out, the soldering around the buttons goes bad.

I've had several PS/2 mice, and I think a couple of USB ones, where the
computer didn't seem to supply enough power to drive them, or was
giving them electrical noise, and they'd frequently go whizzing all
over the screen madly clicking on things.  On a long cable, or plugged
into front panel sockets they'd do this very often.  But plugged
straight into the motherboard socket they were usually fine.

I have at least one mouse that rapidly goes into a power save mode, and
is repeatedly logged as disconnecting when you leave it idle.

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Re: What is this selinux gibberish from dnf update about?

2019-08-04 Thread Ed Greshko
On 8/5/19 12:13 AM, Tom Horsley wrote:
>   Running scriptlet: mysql-selinux-1.0.0-8.fc30.noarch   
> 62/287 
>   Installing   : mysql-selinux-1.0.0-8.fc30.noarch   
> 62/287 
>   Running scriptlet: mysql-selinux-1.0.0-8.fc30.noarch   
> 62/287 
> libsemanage.semanage_direct_install_info: Overriding mysql module at lower 
> priority 100 with module at priority 200.

An informative message only.

On a system without mysql-selinux installed there does exist a selinux module 
mysql.

[root@f29bk ~]# rpm -q mysql-selinux
package mysql-selinux is not installed
[root@f29bk ~]# semodule -lfull | grep mysql
100 mysql pp

But when you have that package installed

[root@f30-k ~]# rpm -q mysql-selinux
mysql-selinux-1.0.0-8.fc30.noarch
[root@f30-k ~]# semodule -lfull | grep mysql
200 mysql pp
100 mysql pp

So, the install process is simply informing you of the change.

[root@f29bk ~]# dnf install mysql-selinux
.
.

mysql-selinux-1.0.0-8.fc30.noarch.rpm  1.3 kB/s |  35 kB 00:26  
 
---
Total  1.1 kB/s |  35 kB 00:31  
  
Running transaction check
Transaction check succeeded.
Running transaction test
Transaction test succeeded.
Running transaction
  Preparing    :   
1/1
  Running scriptlet: mysql-selinux-1.0.0-8.fc30.noarch 
1/1
  Installing   : mysql-selinux-1.0.0-8.fc30.noarch 
1/1
  Running scriptlet: mysql-selinux-1.0.0-8.fc30.noarch 
1/1
libsemanage.semanage_direct_install_info: Overriding mysql module at lower 
priority 100
with module at priority 200.

  Verifying    : mysql-selinux-1.0.0-8.fc30.noarch 
1/1

Installed:
  mysql-selinux-1.0.0-8.fc30.noarch

FWIW, just because you don't understand something doesn't make it "gibberish".

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Re: Brave Browser Cache question

2019-08-04 Thread ToddAndMargo via users

On 8/3/19 1:15 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 8/3/19 5:04 AM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

Which one of these guys has the current cache files? And can I delete
the directory tree of the other?


The one with the most recent creation date?



Hi Ed,

That should have been obvious to me.

.config/brave was the old one.  So I renamed it, then
fired up brave.  Brave worked perfectly, so I deleted
.config/brave.

Thank you for the brain jog.

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Re: Final on enlarging swap - I really needed more memory

2019-08-04 Thread Tim via users
On Sun, 2019-08-04 at 12:16 -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> All last week I ran with 4GB real memory and a total of 8GB swap.
> 
> I was using all the real memory and pretty much 4GB of swap with
> poor performance.

I think I'd consider 4 gig of RAM a bare minimum, these days.  As
memory size has gone up, programmers seem to have abandoned trying to
be efficient.

If your prior install was apparently okay, you might have been just on
the boundary between where things ran smoothly and were close to
grinding through swap to operate.

When my systems started to go through swap, usually from firefox going
doolallay with some badly written site, it was usually unrecoverable. 
I had to quit it real quick, or I could spend the next hour trying to
get the computer to do a clean shutdown.


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Re: Fool mouse with minecraft

2019-08-04 Thread Doug McGarrett



On 08/04/2019 07:27 PM, Tim via users wrote:

On Sun, 2019-08-04 at 19:28 +0200, Frédéric wrote:

it seems simpler than that. We tested another mouse and it worked
much better. So it's probably the wire that has false contact.


Mice do wear out.  The cable, the connections, are subject to metal
fatigue.  Fluff getting into optical sensors can make them erratic.
Buttons wear out, the soldering around the buttons goes bad.

I've had several PS/2 mice, and I think a couple of USB ones, where the
computer didn't seem to supply enough power to drive them, or was
giving them electrical noise, and they'd frequently go whizzing all
over the screen madly clicking on things.  On a long cable, or plugged
into front panel sockets they'd do this very often.  But plugged
straight into the motherboard socket they were usually fine.

I have at least one mouse that rapidly goes into a power save mode, and
is repeatedly logged as disconnecting when you leave it idle.



I have been using a Kensington trackball for years, and except for 
wiping off the ball and wiping up the inside of the base every once in a 
while,  it is very reliable, and of course, it takes up no extra desk 
space, since it doesn't have to be moved around. You should try one!
(I have the cheapie, with only two buttons and no scroll--you don't need 
a scroll wheel with a trackball. About $25, if I remember.) Three

computers, three trackballs.

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Re: Final on enlarging swap - I really needed more memory

2019-08-04 Thread Doug McGarrett



On 08/04/2019 07:32 PM, Tim via users wrote:

On Sun, 2019-08-04 at 12:16 -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote:

All last week I ran with 4GB real memory and a total of 8GB swap.

I was using all the real memory and pretty much 4GB of swap with
poor performance.


I think I'd consider 4 gig of RAM a bare minimum, these days.  As
memory size has gone up, programmers seem to have abandoned trying to
be efficient.

If your prior install was apparently okay, you might have been just on
the boundary between where things ran smoothly and were close to
grinding through swap to operate.

When my systems started to go through swap, usually from firefox going
doolallay with some badly written site, it was usually unrecoverable.
I had to quit it real quick, or I could spend the next hour trying to
get the computer to do a clean shutdown.


Use GParted to shrink your swap and expand your normal space. You should 
probably not need more than 4 GiB swap. If your repo doesn't have

GParted, you can download a copy and run it from a self-booting disk.
I have used it many times to move partitions around, especially to 
reclaim the mess that Windows 10 makes on a new computer.


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CSV to text -

2019-08-04 Thread Bob Goodwin

How can I convert a .csv file to text in a Fedora system.

Bob

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Re: CSV to text -

2019-08-04 Thread Clifford Snow
Bob,
Isn't a csv already text? How do you want to change the csv file? Can you
give an example?

Best,
Clifford

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> How can I convert a .csv file to text in a Fedora system.
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Re: CSV to text -

2019-08-04 Thread Cameron Simpson

On 04Aug2019 20:05, Bob Goodwin  wrote:

How can I convert a .csv file to text in a Fedora system.


Depends what you mean. A CSV file _is_ text in a sense, in that it is 
text lines containing data in a particular format.


Can you qualify what you mean by "convert to text"? Change the data 
format? Pull out strings from some columns? Just change the file 
extension from .csv to .txt so that some GUI file mangler treats it 
differently?


Cheers,
Cameron Simpson 
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Re: CSV to text -

2019-08-04 Thread William Oliver
I have done it in the past by loading the .csv into a spreadsheet
program, saving a selection as a PDF file, and then converting the PDF
file into text using something like okular or pdftotext.  If you do it
this way there are a couple of things to be careful of:

1) Just save a selection to be converted to PDF.  Some spreadsheet
programs try to save a lot of white space, and take forever to finish. 
I've had this problem with Libreoffice.  There may be a problem if
there are a zillion columns, because you will get it spread over a lot
of pages.  There might be a way around that with the PDF settings, but
I don't know what it is.

2) You may have to play with programs that will move PDF to text to get
the right formatting.  I've had reasonable luck with using okular;
pdftotext tended to have problems with wide pages.


billo



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Re: CSV to text -

2019-08-04 Thread Bob Goodwin



On 8/4/19 8:16 PM, Cameron Simpson wrote:

On 04Aug2019 20:05, Bob Goodwin  wrote:

How can I convert a .csv file to text in a Fedora system.


Depends what you mean. A CSV file _is_ text in a sense, in that it is 
text lines containing data in a particular format.


Can you qualify what you mean by "convert to text"? Change the data 
format? Pull out strings from some columns? Just change the file 
extension from .csv to .txt so that some GUI file mangler treats it 
differently?


Cheers,
Cameron Simpson 



Sorry, I've been reading too many google searches, they are VCF files I 
hoped to be able to display in a more readable form


Here is one f them:  /home/bobg/Desktop/Dr. MAISENBACHER.vcf

Fedora wants to display them with Evolution but that comes up in black 
text on white in a separate window, almost unreadable for me. I was 
hoping to find something that would display it in a terminal which I 
always view as white on a black background. This is not a matter of 
aesthetics, but what seems to work with my deteriorating sight.


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Re: CSV to text -

2019-08-04 Thread ToddAndMargo via users

On 8/4/19 6:21 PM, Bob Goodwin wrote:



On 8/4/19 8:16 PM, Cameron Simpson wrote:

On 04Aug2019 20:05, Bob Goodwin  wrote:

How can I convert a .csv file to text in a Fedora system.


Depends what you mean. A CSV file _is_ text in a sense, in that it is 
text lines containing data in a particular format.


Can you qualify what you mean by "convert to text"? Change the data 
format? Pull out strings from some columns? Just change the file 
extension from .csv to .txt so that some GUI file mangler treats it 
differently?


Cheers,
Cameron Simpson 



Sorry, I've been reading too many google searches, they are VCF files I 
hoped to be able to display in a more readable form


Here is one f them:  /home/bobg/Desktop/Dr. MAISENBACHER.vcf

Fedora wants to display them with Evolution but that comes up in black 
text on white in a separate window, almost unreadable for me. I was 
hoping to find something that would display it in a terminal which I 
always view as white on a black background. This is not a matter of 
aesthetics, but what seems to work with my deteriorating sight.


Hi Bob,

Thunderbird can read these.They are address book entries:

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=vcf+thunderbird&t=ffab&ia=web

-T

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Re: CSV to text -

2019-08-04 Thread Ed Greshko
On 8/5/19 9:21 AM, Bob Goodwin wrote:
> Sorry, I've been reading too many google searches, they are VCF files I hoped 
> to be able
> to display in a more readable form
>
> Here is one f them:  /home/bobg/Desktop/Dr. MAISENBACHER.vcf
>
> Fedora wants to display them with Evolution but that comes up in black text 
> on white in
> a separate window, almost unreadable for me. I was hoping to find something 
> that would
> display it in a terminal which I always view as white on a black background. 
> This is not
> a matter of aesthetics, but what seems to work with my deteriorating sight.

vCards (vcf files) are normally in Text with a possibility of a data block for 
a photo.

Just try opening it with your favorite text editor

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Re: Final on enlarging swap - I really needed more memory

2019-08-04 Thread Tim via users
On Sun, 2019-08-04 at 16:57 -0400, Doug McGarrett wrote:
> Use GParted to shrink your swap and expand your normal space. You
> should probably not need more than 4 GiB swap.

There is an advantage to having more swap than RAM:  If you use a
hibernate feature that works by dumping RAM to swap, having more
ensures that it will fit.  I doubt you need double, though.

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[tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp
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Boilerplate:  All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted.
There is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see
the messages posted to the mailing list.

When I write something, take it as meaning exactly what I wrote.
Do not interpret it.

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Re: CSV to text -

2019-08-04 Thread Tim via users
On Sun, 2019-08-04 at 21:21 -0400, Bob Goodwin wrote:
> VCF files I hoped to be able to display in a more readable form 
> 
> Here is one f them:  /home/bobg/Desktop/Dr. MAISENBACHER.vcf
> 
> Fedora wants to display them with Evolution but that comes up in
> black text on white in a separate window, almost unreadable for me. I
> was hoping to find something that would display it in a terminal
> which I always view as white on a black background.

They're already plain text, so you can view them in any text viewer
that you like, or even use "less" in the command line.

If you're accessing them through a file manager, you should have more
than one option when you right-click on them.  And you should be able
to change your preferred default.  They don't have to be associated
with your email program as default.

If you want, you could find a contact manager.  That way you'd get the
raw code massaged into something more human readable, and (hopefully)
using your preferred desktop colour scheme.

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Re: Fool mouse with minecraft

2019-08-04 Thread Frédéric
> Mice do wear out.  The cable, the connections, are subject to metal
> fatigue.  Fluff getting into optical sensors can make them erratic.
> Buttons wear out, the soldering around the buttons goes bad.

Yes and this one is the cheapest Logitech so less than 10 €. It is
probably as old as the PC (6 years) so I think I can buy a new one!
Thanks,
F
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Re: Fool mouse with minecraft

2019-08-04 Thread Frédéric
> I have been using a Kensington trackball for years

Interesting, first time I hear about that. How do you replace the
middle button and the wheel? I am used to zoom in/out with control
wheel for example.

F
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32bit without SSE2 DNF system upgrade reboot 28>29 failed

2019-08-04 Thread Felix Miata
tail of display output:
...
Starting System Upgrade using DNF...
[OK]Started Update the operating system whilst offline.
[OK]Started D-Bus System Message Bus.
[OK]Created slice User and Session Slice.
Starting Login Service.
[OK]Started Login Service.
[1107.016836] systemd[1]: Caught , dumped core as pid 1428.
[1107.023072] systemd[1]: Freezing execution.

Trying to ping to it 100% packet loss. Might there be anything left behind that
might be worth sharing anywhere, here, or bug report?
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Re: Canon CanoScan LIDE 300 Problem of Detection

2019-08-04 Thread das
On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 5:23 PM das  wrote:
>
> Submitted a Bug-Report:
>
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1730698
>

Hello Friends

As I told in the bug-report, using this scanner and installing wine
cannot go together. Installing wine makes the scanner obsolete.

But, from '98 I am using M S Bookshelf 1998. This thing has become a
regular tool in my studies. A little bit after 2000 I came into
GNU-Linux. For all this time I never had any problem in using this
Bookshelf 1998 with wine.

Can any of you suggest me any other way to work with this MSW Software
in GNU-Linux?
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