Re: Kernel entries are not updated in grub menu

[Federic Ducon]

I'm glad to see I'm not the only one with this problem. 

I have not had this problem before since I use /etc/dnf/dnf.conf to block 
kernel updates to prevent spamming /boot with every minor update. Until 
yesterday my running kernel was 5.0.7-200.fc29.x86_64

I intended to upgrade from Fed29 to Fed30 , so removed the block and ran dnf 
update.

I ran the dnf upgrade-plugin but when I rebooted I noticed the kernel did not 
change. 

After some checking I  dnf remove kernel kernel-core then dnf install kernel. 
This produced the kernel image in /boot and the entry in /sys/lib/modules ( the 
kernel modules dep got pulled in too ) but the time stamp of 
/boot/grub2/grub.conf had not changed. 

As OP, I grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub2.cfg , this did work and I can now 
boot to the new kernel.

The system fails to finish the Fed30 upgrade and I suspect that is a corollary 
of this bug.
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Re: stange dependencies

[Ed Greshko]

On 7/9/19 2:14 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> On 7/8/19 3:28 AM, François Patte wrote:
>> So, I did "dnf history" and get the id, I did "dnf history 144" and get:
>>
>> 144 | remove ssmtp | 2019-07-08 00:00 |  Removed | 113 EE
>>
>> As I told in my first mail: more the 100 packages were removed. If you
>> want the list I can provide it.
>
> The list might be useful.  Unfortunately, it doesn't show the reasons for the 
> removals. 
> Did you not see that it was going to remove all those packages before you 
> told dnf to go
> ahead?
>
> I don't have ssmtp installed and I have google-chrome-stable installed, so it 
> definitely
> isn't a direct dependency.  But I think I know why.  Do you have sendmail or 
> postfix
> installed?  All those packages probably require a mail sending program and 
> you removed
> the one that is installed by default.  If I try to remove postfix, then dnf 
> says it will
> remove chrome as well.

FWIW, not my experience.

[root@f29bk ~]# rpm -q google-chrome-stable ssmtp postfix
google-chrome-stable-75.0.3770.100-1.x86_64
ssmtp-2.64-22.fc30.x86_64
postfix-3.4.4-3.fc30.x86_64


[root@f29bk ~]# dnf erase postfix
Dependencies resolved.
===
 Package  Architecture    Version  Repository 
Size
===
Removing:
 postfix  x86_64  2:3.4.4-3.fc30   @updates  
5.5 M

Transaction Summary
===
Remove  1 Package

Freed space: 5.5 M
Is this ok [y/N]: n
Operation aborted.


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Re: Kernel entries are not updated in grub menu

[Federic Ducon]

I just tried 'dnf kernel downgrade'.  This pulls in a 4.x kernel but does not 
remove the latest 5.x
/boot/grub.cfg was not touched but I do see the newly installed kernel in the  
boot menu ( it is NOT the default ). 

Not surprisingly 'dnf kernel update'  now reports "nothing to do ". 


dnf remove kernel-5.1.16-200.fc29  happily removes the running kernel without 
so much as a warning !
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Docked laptop boots to use of external display and built in display.

[Terry Polzin]

Hello,

I am running a current Fedora 30 on a laptop.  Then the laptop is in its
docking station and is booted both the external display and builtin display
are active.
I have to open the laptop and disable the builtin display at every boot.
This seems to be a behavior issue that has recently changed.  Is there a
remedy?  I am running  XFCE.
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dnf system-upgrade download + reboot does not finish upgrade.

[Federic Ducon]

I am trying to upgrade from Fedora 29 to Fedora 30

dnf system-upgrade download --refresh --releasever=30 --allowerasing
dnf system-upgrade reboot

The download stage completes and posts a msg proposing the second line. 

The reboot starts up , gets to a  certain stage and automatically reboots. 
On rebooting I see the same fed29 kernel is used and it just boots normally to 
the old system. 

I would have expected something indicating that it was processing the update 
with the usual message like  "this may take some time". 

journalctl --list-boots  shows me  one on 2019-07-08 which seems to be the 
first reboot after the initial system-upgrade call.  There are many reps after 
that as I repeated trying to find the problem. 

I expected to get output from this from its boot number , but the following 
gives lines with datastamps earlier today. 
journalctl -b -15

What do I need to get the boot log ? 

TIA.

Here is a snip from one of the boot logs which appears to cover the point where 
reaches the Offline Update.  If someone can give explicit instructions to get a 
better log I will try to submit it somewhere.

Jul 09 01:10:55 localhost.localdomain audit[1]: SERVICE_START pid=1 uid=0 
auid=4294967295 ses=4294967295 subj=system_u:system_r:init_t:s0 
msg='unit=grub-boot-indeterminate comm="systemd" exe="/usr/lib/syst$
Jul 09 01:10:55 localhost.localdomain audit[1]: SERVICE_STOP pid=1 uid=0 
auid=4294967295 ses=4294967295 subj=system_u:system_r:init_t:s0 
msg='unit=grub-boot-indeterminate comm="systemd" exe="/usr/lib/syste$
Jul 09 01:10:55 localhost.localdomain systemd[1]: Reached target Offline System 
Update (Pre).
Jul 09 01:10:55 localhost.localdomain audit[1]: AVC avc:  denied  { read } for  
pid=1 comm="systemd" name="dnf" dev="sda6" ino=1572867 
scontext=system_u:system_r:init_t:s0 tcontext=unconfined_u:object_r:va$
Jul 09 01:10:55 localhost.localdomain systemd[1]: Starting Update the operating 
system whilst offline...
Jul 09 01:10:55 localhost.localdomain pk-offline-update[648]: another framework 
set up the trigger
Jul 09 01:10:55 localhost.localdomain audit[1]: SERVICE_START pid=1 uid=0 
auid=4294967295 ses=4294967295 subj=system_u:system_r:init_t:s0 
msg='unit=packagekit-offline-update comm="systemd" exe="/usr/lib/sy$
Jul 09 01:10:55 localhost.localdomain audit[1]: SERVICE_STOP pid=1 uid=0 
auid=4294967295 ses=4294967295 subj=system_u:system_r:init_t:s0 
msg='unit=packagekit-offline-update comm="systemd" exe="/usr/lib/sys$
Jul 09 01:10:55 localhost.localdomain audit[1]: AVC avc:  denied  { read } for  
pid=1 comm="systemd" name="dnf" dev="sda6" ino=1572867 
scontext=system_u:system_r:init_t:s0 tcontext=unconfined_u:object_r:va$
Jul 09 01:10:55 localhost.localdomain systemd[1]: Started Update the operating 
system whilst offline.
Jul 09 01:10:55 localhost.localdomain systemd[1]: Reached target Offline System 
Update.
Jul 09 01:10:55 localhost.localdomain systemd[1]: Starting Remove the Offline 
System Updates symlink...
Jul 09 01:10:55 localhost.localdomain rm[649]: removed '/system-update'
Jul 09 01:10:55 localhost.localdomain systemd[1]: Started Remove the Offline 
System Updates symlink.
Jul 09 01:10:55 localhost.localdomain audit[1]: SERVICE_START pid=1 uid=0 
auid=4294967295 ses=4294967295 subj=system_u:system_r:init_t:s0 
msg='unit=system-update-cleanup comm="systemd" exe="/usr/lib/system$
Jul 09 01:10:55 localhost.localdomain audit[1]: SERVICE_STOP pid=1 uid=0 
auid=4294967295 ses=4294967295 subj=system_u:system_r:init_t:s0 
msg='unit=system-update-cleanup comm="systemd" exe="/usr/lib/systemd$
Jul 09 01:10:55 localhost.localdomain systemd[1]: Startup finished in 1.354s 
(kernel) + 8.443s (initrd) + 22.374s (userspace) = 32.172s.
Jul 09 01:10:55 localhost.localdomain systemd[1]: Rebooting: unit succeeded
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Re: dnf system-upgrade download + reboot does not finish upgrade.

[Greg Woods]

On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 8:09 AM Federic Ducon  wrote:

> I am trying to upgrade from Fedora 29 to Fedora 30
>
> dnf system-upgrade download --refresh --releasever=30 --allowerasing
> dnf system-upgrade reboot
>
> The download stage completes and posts a msg proposing the second line.
>
> The reboot starts up , gets to a  certain stage and automatically reboots.
> On rebooting I see the same fed29 kernel is used and it just boots
> normally to the old system.
>

I have had this happen. I've seen two things that can cause it (and there
are probably more but the fix is likely to be similar): a dependency issue,
and a failure for the GPG key for the target Fedora version to get loaded.
Dependency issues can result from a number of things, such as packaging
errors or use of packages from third party repos. The keys for the new
distro are *supposed* to be installed automatically, but sometimes it
doesn't happen.

At any rate, the first step is to check in /var/log/dnf.log and see if
there is a traceback in there, which will usually point to what the problem
is. In my case I was trying to go from F28 to F29, and ended up having to
remove the "mediatomb" package (which I wasn't using anyway). This is what
I found in the DNF log:

 2019-06-28T13:30:48Z SUBDEBUG
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/lib/python3.6/site-packages/dnf/cli/main.py", line 123, in
cli_run
ret = resolving(cli, base)
  File "/usr/lib/python3.6/site-packages/dnf/cli/main.py", line 146, in
resolving
base.resolve(cli.demands.allow_erasing)
  File "/usr/lib/python3.6/site-packages/dnf/base.py", line 832, in resolve
raise exc
dnf.exceptions.DepsolveError:
 Problem: package mediatomb-0.12.2-3.20160522.fc28.x86_64 requires
libixml.so.2()(64bit), but none of the providers can be installed
  - libupnp-1.6.25-1.fc28.x86_64 does not belong to a distupgrade repository
  - problem with installed package mediatomb-0.12.2-3.20160522.fc28.x86_64
2019-06-28T13:30:48Z CRITICAL Error:
 Problem: package mediatomb-0.12.2-3.20160522.fc28.x86_64 requires
libixml.so.2()(64bit), but none of the providers can be installed
  - libupnp-1.6.25-1.fc28.x86_64 does not belong to a distupgrade repository
  - problem with installed package
mediatomb-0.12.2-3.20160522.fc28.x86_642019-06-28T13:30:48Z SUBDEBUG
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/lib/python3.6/site-packages/dnf/cli/main.py", line 123, in
cli_run
ret = resolving(cli, base)
  File "/usr/lib/python3.6/site-packages/dnf/cli/main.py", line 146, in
resolving
base.resolve(cli.demands.allow_erasing)
  File "/usr/lib/python3.6/site-packages/dnf/base.py", line 832, in resolve
raise exc
dnf.exceptions.DepsolveError:
 Problem: package mediatomb-0.12.2-3.20160522.fc28.x86_64 requires
libixml.so.2()(64bit), but none of the providers can be installed
  - libupnp-1.6.25-1.fc28.x86_64 does not belong to a distupgrade repository
  - problem with installed package mediatomb-0.12.2-3.20160522.fc28.x86_64
2019-06-28T13:30:48Z CRITICAL Error:
 Problem: package mediatomb-0.12.2-3.20160522.fc28.x86_64 requires
libixml.so.2()(64bit), but none of the providers can be installed
  - libupnp-1.6.25-1.fc28.x86_64 does not belong to a distupgrade repository
  - problem with installed package mediatomb-0.12.2-3.20160522.fc28.x86_64


I also had a similar problem with the "createrepo" package which I *do*
use, so in that case I just removed the package, did the upgrade, and
reinstalled it afterward.

For the GPG key issue I saw this:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/lib/python3.6/site-packages/dnf/cli/main.py", line 64, in main
return _main(base, args, cli_class, option_parser_class)
  File "/usr/lib/python3.6/site-packages/dnf/cli/main.py", line 99, in _main
return cli_run(cli, base)
  File "/usr/lib/python3.6/site-packages/dnf/cli/main.py", line 123, in
cli_run
ret = resolving(cli, base)
  File "/usr/lib/python3.6/site-packages/dnf/cli/main.py", line 154, in
resolving
base.do_transaction(display=displays)
  File "/usr/lib/python3.6/site-packages/dnf/cli/cli.py", line 231, in
do_transaction
self.gpgsigcheck(install_pkgs)
  File "/usr/lib/python3.6/site-packages/dnf/cli/cli.py", line 284, in
gpgsigcheck
raise dnf.exceptions.Error(_("GPG check FAILED"))
dnf.exceptions.Error: GPG check FAILED
2019-06-28T14:10:25Z CRITICAL Error: GPG check FAILED

For some reason the GPG key for Fedora 29 was never imported, so I did it
manually, and finally everything worked.

--Greg
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utility of gnome-keyring and secret-tool

[François Patte]

Bonjour,

I am curious to know what is the utility of gnome-keyring: I stored a
password for msmtp using secret-tool, and going to
.local/share/keyrings/  I can read this password clearly stored in a
file in this directory.

So, there is absolutely no secret!

Thank you for lights.

PS. Why is secret-tool not working for root?

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Failed to upgrade to F-30

[JD]

Ran
dnf -y upgrade --refresh
dnf -y install dnf-plugin-system-upgrade
dnf -y system-upgrade download --refresh --best --allowerasing 
--releasever=30

dnf -y system-upgrade reboot
and got:

warning: 
/var/lib/dnf/system-upgrade/rpmfusion-free-529fb32abebfafff/packages/rpmfusion-free-appstream-data-30-1.20181021.fc30.noarch.rpm: 
Header V3 RSA/SHA1 Signature, key ID c0aeda6e: NOKEY
Curl error (37): Couldn't read a file:// file for 
file:///etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-rpmfusion-free-fedora-30 [Couldn't 
open file /etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-rpmfusion-free-fedora-30]

Error: system is not ready for upgrade

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Re: stange dependencies

[Rex Dieter]

François Patte wrote:

> Bonjour,
> 
> I removed ssmtp from a machine (f30) and dnf has removed more than 100
> packages as dependencies of this package. A lot of perl modules (I did
> not know that ssmtp was a perl script...) and *google-chrome*
> 
> Is it serious?

Most likely, something in that chain of 100 packages required 
/usr/sbin/sendmail, something that that ssmtp provides.

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Re: stange dependencies

[Samuel Sieb]

On 7/9/19 12:41 AM, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 7/9/19 2:14 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:

I don't have ssmtp installed and I have google-chrome-stable installed, so it 
definitely
isn't a direct dependency.  But I think I know why.  Do you have sendmail or 
postfix
installed?  All those packages probably require a mail sending program and you 
removed
the one that is installed by default.  If I try to remove postfix, then dnf 
says it will
remove chrome as well.


FWIW, not my experience.

[root@f29bk ~]# rpm -q google-chrome-stable ssmtp postfix
google-chrome-stable-75.0.3770.100-1.x86_64
ssmtp-2.64-22.fc30.x86_64
postfix-3.4.4-3.fc30.x86_64


[root@f29bk ~]# dnf erase postfix


Maybe my point wasn't clear enough.  You have two providers of 
"sendmail", so removing one won't do anything.  I pointed out that I 
don't have ssmtp, so when I tried to remove postfix, which is the last 
provider, then chrome will be removed as well.  Although, it's probably 
the lsb package that is the actual dependency in between chrome and 
"sendmail".

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what's with the "=" in the output of "dnf group info "?

[Robert P. J. Day]

  perusing fedora project page on getting started with virtualization,
https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/getting-started-with-virtualization/
and an early example reads:

$ dnf groupinfo virtualization

Group: Virtualization
Group-Id: virtualization
Description: These packages provide a virtualization environment.

Mandatory Packages:
   =virt-install

Default Packages:
   =libvirt-daemon-config-network
   =libvirt-daemon-kvm
   =qemu-kvm
   =virt-manager
   =virt-viewer

Optional Packages:
   guestfs-browser
   libguestfs-tools
   python-libguestfs
   virt-top

  when i run that command on f30, i see no "=" sign but perhaps that's
an obsolete feature that is no longer documented, as i don't see any
mention of it in the man page.

  any idea what it represents?

rday
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Re: dnf system-upgrade download + reboot does not finish upgrade.

[Samuel Sieb]

On 7/9/19 9:24 AM, Greg Woods wrote:
At any rate, the first step is to check in /var/log/dnf.log and see if 
there is a traceback in there, which will usually point to what the 
problem is. In my case I was trying to go from F28 to F29, and ended up 
having to remove the "mediatomb" package (which I wasn't using anyway). 
This is what I found in the DNF log:


depsolve errors should be detected at the end of the download process 
when it does testing.  Specifically, I had this same issue with 
mediatomb and I had to add --allowerasing and then it worked fine.

Side note: gerbera is the replacement for mediatomb

For some reason the GPG key for Fedora 29 was never imported, so I did 
it manually, and finally everything worked.


Again, something that should be done during the download process.  I 
always get that requested at the end of the downloads before it does the 
checks.

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Re: dnf system-upgrade download + reboot does not finish upgrade.

[Samuel Sieb]

On 7/9/19 7:08 AM, Federic Ducon wrote:

Jul 09 01:10:55 localhost.localdomain audit[1]: AVC avc:  denied  { read } for  pid=1 
comm="systemd" name="dnf" dev="sda6" ino=1572867 
scontext=system_u:system_r:init_t:s0 tcontext=unconfined_u:object_r:va$


This line shows up twice.  Which filesystem is on /dev/sda6?  Try 
running "find / -xdev -inum 1572867" (replace / with whatever mount 
point /dev/sda6 is on) to find out what file dnf is failing to access.


Are the downloaded rpm files still there or were they deleted?
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Re: stange dependencies

[Ed Greshko]

On 7/10/19 4:03 AM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> On 7/9/19 12:41 AM, Ed Greshko wrote:
>> On 7/9/19 2:14 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
>>> I don't have ssmtp installed and I have google-chrome-stable installed, so 
>>> it definitely
>>> isn't a direct dependency.  But I think I know why.  Do you have sendmail 
>>> or postfix
>>> installed?  All those packages probably require a mail sending program and 
>>> you removed
>>> the one that is installed by default.  If I try to remove postfix, then dnf 
>>> says it will
>>> remove chrome as well.
>>
>> FWIW, not my experience.
>>
>> [root@f29bk ~]# rpm -q google-chrome-stable ssmtp postfix
>> google-chrome-stable-75.0.3770.100-1.x86_64
>> ssmtp-2.64-22.fc30.x86_64
>> postfix-3.4.4-3.fc30.x86_64
>>
>>
>> [root@f29bk ~]# dnf erase postfix
>
> Maybe my point wasn't clear enough.  You have two providers of "sendmail", so 
> removing
> one won't do anything.  I pointed out that I don't have ssmtp, so when I 
> tried to remove
> postfix, which is the last provider, then chrome will be removed as well.  
> Although,
> it's probably the lsb package that is the actual dependency in between chrome 
> and
> "sendmail".
>

I guess it must be more than just "the last "sendmail".

[egreshko@f29bk ~]$ sudo dnf remove ssmtp postfix
[sudo] password for egreshko:
Dependencies resolved.
===
 Package  Architecture    Version  Repository 
Size
===
Removing:
 postfix  x86_64  2:3.4.4-3.fc30   @updates  
5.5 M
 ssmtp    x86_64  2.64-22.fc30 @fedora    
96 k

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Re: dnf system-upgrade download + reboot does not finish upgrade.

[sixpack13]

moon's ago I read about / upgraded with one of the following commands:

sudo dnf system-upgrade download --releasever=30 
--setopt=module_platform_id=platform:f30 --allowerasing

OR

sudo dnf system-upgrade download --refresh --releasever=30 
--setopt='module_platform_id=platform:f30' --allowerasing

I don't remember which one and I don't know if it will help here ...
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Re: Failed to upgrade to F-30

[sixpack13]

- it seems rpmfusion is currently offline !

and I upgraded with command:

sudo dnf system-upgrade download --refresh --releasever=30 
--setopt='module_platform_id=platform:f30' --allowerasing

or without " ' " after "setopt=" and "f30"
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Re: Failed to upgrade to F-30

[sixpack13]

it seems rpmfusion is currently offline

workaround:
- sudo dnf list installed | grep rpmfusion | cut -d " " -f1 > fusion_packs

- sudo dnf remove rpmfusion\* OR simply disable (enabled=0) all rpmfusion 
repo's in /etc/yum.repos.d/

- sudo dnf system-upgrade download --refresh --releasever=30 
--setopt='module_platform_id=platform:f30' --allowerasing

- sudo dnf system-upgrade reboot 

- wait until rpmfusion is online again

- then install rpmfusion repos config's from here:
http://rpmfusion.org/Configuration

- sudo dnf install $(cat fusion_packs)
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Re: Failed to upgrade to F-30

[sixpack13]

... Urggghhh, cutted my reply, here the rest:

workaround
=
1. sudo dnf list installed | grep rpmfusion | cut -d " " -f1 > fusion_packs
2. sudo dnf remove rpmfusion-\* 
OR
2b. disable all rpmfusion repo's (enabled=0) under /etc/yum.repos.d
3. sudo dnf system-upgrade download --refresh --releasever=30 
--setopt='module_platform_id=platform:f30' --allowerasing
4. sudo dnf system-upgrade reboot

5. wait until rpmfusion is online again
6. install rpmfusion repo config from here:
http://rpmfusion.org/Configuration
OR 
(depending from your decision, see 2. or 2b. !)
6b. enable rpmfusion repo's again and run sudo dnf update
7. sudo dnf install $(cat fusion_packs) rpmconf
8. sudo rpmconf -a (!!! handle with care !!!)
9. sudo dnf system-upgrade clean
10. have fun !
:-)
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Re: Failed to upgrade to F-30

[sixpack13]

... and this was a draft...
...first vanished and re-appeared ...

today IS NOT my day !!!
:-(

- a edit function for this forum software could be a win to lower (or prevent 
?) a lot of "not-my-day days" ! -
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Re: Failed to upgrade to F-30

[JD]

On 7/9/19 4:01 PM, sixpack13 wrote:

- it seems rpmfusion is currently offline !

and I upgraded with command:

sudo dnf system-upgrade download --refresh --releasever=30 
--setopt='module_platform_id=platform:f30' --allowerasing

or without " ' " after "setopt=" and "f30"


Just retried.

It still says:

warning: 
/var/lib/dnf/system-upgrade/rpmfusion-nonfree-96b8b2e258c849c3/packages/rpmfusion-nonfree-appstream-data-30-1.20181021.fc30.noarch.rpm: 
Header V3 RSA/SHA1 Signature, key ID 1d14a795: NOKEY
Curl error (37): Couldn't read a file:// file for 
file:///etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-rpmfusion-nonfree-fedora-30 
[Couldn't open file 
/etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-rpmfusion-nonfree-fedora-30]
The downloaded packages were saved in cache until the next successful 
transaction.

You can remove cached packages by executing 'dnf clean packages'.

So why is the  gpg key missing???

I thought the upgrade process downloads the gpg keys as well.

If they are downloaded, where are they located??


Thanx!!!





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Re: Failed to upgrade to F-30

[sixpack13]

> ...
> file:///etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-rpmfusion-nonfree-fedora-30 
... 
> If they are downloaded, where are they located??
> 
see above !

P.S.
rpmfusion is ONLINE again !

try 
sudo dnf upgrade rpmfusion-\*
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F30 first impression problems (notes and screen timeout config)

[Fulko Hew]

I'm helping someone switch to Linux, and he's trying F30.
So I decided to put F30 (with KDE/Plasma) into a VM on my older (F26)
system.

My first 2 stumbling blocks are:

1/ Somehow (and I don't know how I did it), I seem to have created
   a 'notes' window.  Now I can't figure out how to get rid of it.

2/ I thought I'd configure the screen timeout to just blank the screen
   and not lock it.  I figure its under Settings -> System Settings ->
   Power Management.  But when I select it, I get the message:

  Power Management configuration module could not be loaded.
  The Power Management Service appears not to be running.
  This can be solved by starting or scheduling it inside "Startup and
Shutdown'.

   a) Switching to 'startup and shutdown' leaves that error info on the
screen
  and I have to stop/start the settings GUI to clear it.
   b) There isn't anything in 'startup and shutdown' related to 'power
management services'.

I tried Googling, but I haven't discovered any solutions for either problem
yet.
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Re: F30 first impression problems (notes and screen timeout config)

[Ed Greshko]

On 7/10/19 7:45 AM, Fulko Hew wrote:
> I'm helping someone switch to Linux, and he's trying F30.
> So I decided to put F30 (with KDE/Plasma) into a VM on my older (F26) system.
>
> My first 2 stumbling blocks are:
>
> 1/ Somehow (and I don't know how I did it), I seem to have created
>    a 'notes' window.  Now I can't figure out how to get rid of it.

Left Click and Hold on the note.  After a few seconds a "handle" will appear 
with "Trash
Can" at the bottom to delete the note.

>
> 2/ I thought I'd configure the screen timeout to just blank the screen
>    and not lock it.  I figure its under Settings -> System Settings ->
>    Power Management.  But when I select it, I get the message:
>
>       Power Management configuration module could not be loaded.
>       The Power Management Service appears not to be running.
>       This can be solved by starting or scheduling it inside "Startup and 
> Shutdown'.
>
>    a) Switching to 'startup and shutdown' leaves that error info on the screen
>   and I have to stop/start the settings GUI to clear it.
>    b) There isn't anything in 'startup and shutdown' related to 'power 
> management services'.
>
> I tried Googling, but I haven't discovered any solutions for either problem 
> yet.

Screen Locking is not done in "Power Management".  It is under "Workspace", 
"Desktop
Behavior", "Screen Locking".


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Re: F30 first impression problems (notes and screen timeout config)

[Fulko Hew]

On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 9:16 PM Ed Greshko  wrote:

> On 7/10/19 7:45 AM, Fulko Hew wrote:
> > I'm helping someone switch to Linux, and he's trying F30.
> > So I decided to put F30 (with KDE/Plasma) into a VM on my older (F26)
> system.
> >
> > My first 2 stumbling blocks are:
> >
> > 1/ Somehow (and I don't know how I did it), I seem to have created
> >a 'notes' window.  Now I can't figure out how to get rid of it.
>
> Left Click and Hold on the note.  After a few seconds a "handle" will
> appear with "Trash
> Can" at the bottom to delete the note.
>

Thanks.   I also found that if you right click on the edge of its
window, a menu appears with a close option.
I've also found that a button-2 action on the desktop creates
a note.  Where's that configured?

> 2/ I thought I'd configure the screen timeout to just blank the screen
> >and not lock it.  I figure its under Settings -> System Settings ->
> >Power Management.  But when I select it, I get the message:
> >
> >   Power Management configuration module could not be loaded.
> >   The Power Management Service appears not to be running.
> >   This can be solved by starting or scheduling it inside "Startup
> and Shutdown'.
> >
> >a) Switching to 'startup and shutdown' leaves that error info on the
> screen
> >   and I have to stop/start the settings GUI to clear it.
> >b) There isn't anything in 'startup and shutdown' related to 'power
> management services'.
> >
> > I tried Googling, but I haven't discovered any solutions for either
> problem yet.
>
> Screen Locking is not done in "Power Management".  It is under
> "Workspace", "Desktop
> Behavior", "Screen Locking".


Thanks for the info on where the locking is.
Any idea about the power management error message?
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Re: F30 first impression problems (notes and screen timeout config)

[Fulko Hew]

On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 9:32 PM Fulko Hew  wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 9:16 PM Ed Greshko  wrote:
>
>> On 7/10/19 7:45 AM, Fulko Hew wrote:
>>
>
... snip ...

> > 2/ I thought I'd configure the screen timeout to just blank the screen
>> >and not lock it.  I figure its under Settings -> System Settings ->
>> >Power Management.  But when I select it, I get the message:
>> >
>> >   Power Management configuration module could not be loaded.
>> >   The Power Management Service appears not to be running.
>> >   This can be solved by starting or scheduling it inside "Startup
>> and Shutdown'.
>> >
>> >a) Switching to 'startup and shutdown' leaves that error info on the
>> screen
>> >   and I have to stop/start the settings GUI to clear it.
>> >b) There isn't anything in 'startup and shutdown' related to 'power
>> management services'.
>> >
>> > I tried Googling, but I haven't discovered any solutions for either
>> problem yet.
>>
>> Screen Locking is not done in "Power Management".  It is under
>> "Workspace", "Desktop
>> Behavior", "Screen Locking".
>
>
On further review, its not locking that I was looking for, its like
I originally asked... screen blanking.
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Re: F30 first impression problems (notes and screen timeout config)

[Ed Greshko]

On 7/10/19 9:32 AM, Fulko Hew wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 9:16 PM Ed Greshko  > wrote:
>
> On 7/10/19 7:45 AM, Fulko Hew wrote:
> > I'm helping someone switch to Linux, and he's trying F30.
> > So I decided to put F30 (with KDE/Plasma) into a VM on my older (F26) 
> system.
> >
> > My first 2 stumbling blocks are:
> >
> > 1/ Somehow (and I don't know how I did it), I seem to have created
> >    a 'notes' window.  Now I can't figure out how to get rid of it.
>
> Left Click and Hold on the note.  After a few seconds a "handle" will 
> appear with "Trash
> Can" at the bottom to delete the note.
>
>
> Thanks.   I also found that if you right click on the edge of its
> window, a menu appears with a close option.
> I've also found that a button-2 action on the desktop creates
> a note.  Where's that configured?

I do not know the answer to that.  You may want to ask on the 
k...@lists.fedoraproject.org
list where more KDE users hang out. 

>
> > 2/ I thought I'd configure the screen timeout to just blank the screen
> >    and not lock it.  I figure its under Settings -> System Settings ->
> >    Power Management.  But when I select it, I get the message:
> >
> >       Power Management configuration module could not be loaded.
> >       The Power Management Service appears not to be running.
> >       This can be solved by starting or scheduling it inside "Startup 
> and Shutdown'.
> >
> >    a) Switching to 'startup and shutdown' leaves that error info on the 
> screen
> >   and I have to stop/start the settings GUI to clear it.
> >    b) There isn't anything in 'startup and shutdown' related to 'power 
> management
> services'.
> >
> > I tried Googling, but I haven't discovered any solutions for either 
> problem yet.
>
> Screen Locking is not done in "Power Management".  It is under 
> "Workspace", "Desktop
> Behavior", "Screen Locking".
>
>
> Thanks for the info on where the locking is.
> Any idea about the power management error message?
>

What is the output in a terminal of

systemctl status upower

And what are you using for a VM?  VirtualBox, VMware?

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Re: F30 first impression problems (notes and screen timeout config)

[Fulko Hew]

On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 9:32 PM Fulko Hew  wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 9:16 PM Ed Greshko  wrote:
>
>> On 7/10/19 7:45 AM, Fulko Hew wrote:
>> > I'm helping someone switch to Linux, and he's trying F30.
>> > So I decided to put F30 (with KDE/Plasma) into a VM on my older (F26)
>> system.
>> >
>> > My first 2 stumbling blocks are:
>> >
>> > 1/ Somehow (and I don't know how I did it), I seem to have created
>> >a 'notes' window.  Now I can't figure out how to get rid of it.
>>
>> Left Click and Hold on the note.  After a few seconds a "handle" will
>> appear with "Trash
>> Can" at the bottom to delete the note.
>>
>
> Thanks.   I also found that if you right click on the edge of its
> window, a menu appears with a close option.
> I've also found that a button-2 action on the desktop creates
> a note.  Where's that configured?
>

I found my own answer:

Right click on the desktop, Configure desktop -> Mouse
and remove the middle button action (Paste), and that will remove the
Note creation, but leave the generic paste functionality.
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Re: F30 first impression problems (notes and screen timeout config)

[Ed Greshko]

On 7/10/19 9:48 AM, Fulko Hew wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 9:32 PM Fulko Hew  > wrote:
>
> On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 9:16 PM Ed Greshko  > wrote:
>
> On 7/10/19 7:45 AM, Fulko Hew wrote:
>
>
> ... snip ...
>
> > 2/ I thought I'd configure the screen timeout to just blank the 
> screen
> >    and not lock it.  I figure its under Settings -> System Settings 
> ->
> >    Power Management.  But when I select it, I get the message:
> >
> >       Power Management configuration module could not be loaded.
> >       The Power Management Service appears not to be running.
> >       This can be solved by starting or scheduling it inside 
> "Startup and
> Shutdown'.
> >
> >    a) Switching to 'startup and shutdown' leaves that error info on 
> the screen
> >   and I have to stop/start the settings GUI to clear it.
> >    b) There isn't anything in 'startup and shutdown' related to 
> 'power
> management services'.
> >
> > I tried Googling, but I haven't discovered any solutions for either 
> problem yet.
>
> Screen Locking is not done in "Power Management".  It is under 
> "Workspace", "Desktop
> Behavior", "Screen Locking".
>
>
> On further review, its not locking that I was looking for, its like
> I originally asked... screen blanking.
>
>

On further review I decided to take a course in "reading comprehension".  Sorry 
about
that.

Yes, check to see what you get for

systemctl status upower.




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Re: F30 first impression problems (notes and screen timeout config)

[Fulko Hew]

On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 10:39 PM Ed Greshko  wrote:

> On 7/10/19 9:32 AM, Fulko Hew wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 9, 2019 at 9:16 PM Ed Greshko  > > wrote:
> >
> > On 7/10/19 7:45 AM, Fulko Hew wrote:
> > > I'm helping someone switch to Linux, and he's trying F30.
> > > So I decided to put F30 (with KDE/Plasma) into a VM on my older
> (F26) system.
> > >
> > > My first 2 stumbling blocks are:
> > >
> > > 1/ Somehow (and I don't know how I did it), I seem to have created
> > >a 'notes' window.  Now I can't figure out how to get rid of it.
> >
> > Left Click and Hold on the note.  After a few seconds a "handle"
> will appear with "Trash
> > Can" at the bottom to delete the note.
> >
> >
> > Thanks.   I also found that if you right click on the edge of its
> > window, a menu appears with a close option.
> > I've also found that a button-2 action on the desktop creates
> > a note.  Where's that configured?
>
> I do not know the answer to that.  You may want to ask on the
> k...@lists.fedoraproject.org
> list where more KDE users hang out.
>
> >
> > > 2/ I thought I'd configure the screen timeout to just blank the
> screen
> > >and not lock it.  I figure its under Settings -> System
> Settings ->
> > >Power Management.  But when I select it, I get the message:
> > >
> > >   Power Management configuration module could not be loaded.
> > >   The Power Management Service appears not to be running.
> > >   This can be solved by starting or scheduling it inside
> "Startup and Shutdown'.
> > >
> > >a) Switching to 'startup and shutdown' leaves that error info
> on the screen
> > >   and I have to stop/start the settings GUI to clear it.
> > >b) There isn't anything in 'startup and shutdown' related to
> 'power management
> > services'.
> > >
> > > I tried Googling, but I haven't discovered any solutions for
> either problem yet.
> >
> > Screen Locking is not done in "Power Management".  It is under
> "Workspace", "Desktop
> > Behavior", "Screen Locking".
> >
> >
> > Thanks for the info on where the locking is.
> > Any idea about the power management error message?
> >
>
> What is the output in a terminal of
>
> systemctl status upower
>

[fulko@localhost ~]$ systemctl status upower
● upower.service - Daemon for power management
   Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/upower.service; disabled; vendor
preset: enabled)
   Active: active (running) since Tue 2019-07-09 19:24:20 EDT; 3h 42min ago
 Docs: man:upowerd(8)
 Main PID: 1186 (upowerd)
Tasks: 3 (limit: 2354)
   Memory: 2.4M
   CGroup: /system.slice/upower.service
   └─1186 /usr/libexec/upowerd

Jul 09 19:24:20 localhost.localdomain systemd[1]: Starting Daemon for power
management...
Jul 09 19:24:20 localhost.localdomain systemd[1]: Started Daemon for power
management.


> And what are you using for a VM?  VirtualBox, VMware?
>

Fedora's built-in VM manager (libvirt).
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Re: F30 first impression problems (notes and screen timeout config)

[Ed Greshko]

On 7/10/19 11:13 AM, Fulko Hew wrote:
>  
> [fulko@localhost ~]$ systemctl status upower
> ● upower.service - Daemon for power management
>    Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/upower.service; disabled; vendor 
> preset: enabled)
>    Active: active (running) since Tue 2019-07-09 19:24:20 EDT; 3h 42min ago
>      Docs: man:upowerd(8)
>  Main PID: 1186 (upowerd)
>     Tasks: 3 (limit: 2354)
>    Memory: 2.4M
>    CGroup: /system.slice/upower.service
>            └─1186 /usr/libexec/upowerd
>
> Jul 09 19:24:20 localhost.localdomain systemd[1]: Starting Daemon for power 
> management...
> Jul 09 19:24:20 localhost.localdomain systemd[1]: Started Daemon for power 
> management.
>  
>
> And what are you using for a VM?  VirtualBox, VMware?
>
>
> Fedora's built-in VM manager (libvirt).

OK.  I normally use VirtualBox and don't see the problem

I'll confirm the problem is present using F30 libvirt with an F30 guest. 

Will check to see if I can find a solution but it may take be a while.

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Re: stange dependencies

[Samuel Sieb]

On 7/9/19 2:00 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:

I guess it must be more than just "the last "sendmail".

[egreshko@f29bk ~]$ sudo dnf remove ssmtp postfix
[sudo] password for egreshko:
Dependencies resolved.
===
  Package  Architecture    Version  Repository 
Size
===
Removing:
  postfix  x86_64  2:3.4.4-3.fc30   @updates  
5.5 M
  ssmtp    x86_64  2.64-22.fc30 @fedora    
96 k


redhat-lsb-core requires /usr/sbin/sendmail

# dnf repoquery --whatprovides /usr/sbin/sendmail
esmtp-0:1.2-13.fc30.x86_64
exim-0:4.92-6.fc30.x86_64
opensmtpd-0:6.0.3p1-7.fc30.x86_64
postfix-2:3.4.6-1.fc30.x86_64
sendmail-0:8.15.2-37.fc30.x86_64
ssmtp-0:2.64-22.fc30.x86_64

Do you have any others of those installed as well?
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Re: F30 first impression problems (notes and screen timeout config)

[Ed Greshko]

On 7/10/19 12:39 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
> Will check to see if I can find a solution but it may take be a while.

OK, the problem is "power devil" is crashing.

You can fix the issue by going to the settings for the VM and for Video select 
VGA.  It is
most likely set to QXL.

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Re: stange dependencies

[Ed Greshko]

On 7/10/19 1:18 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> On 7/9/19 2:00 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
>> I guess it must be more than just "the last "sendmail".
>>
>> [egreshko@f29bk ~]$ sudo dnf remove ssmtp postfix
>> [sudo] password for egreshko:
>> Dependencies resolved.
>> ===
>>   Package  Architecture    Version  Repository   
>>   Size
>> ===
>> Removing:
>>   postfix  x86_64  2:3.4.4-3.fc30   @updates 
>>  5.5 M
>>   ssmtp    x86_64  2.64-22.fc30 @fedora  
>>   96 k
>
> redhat-lsb-core requires /usr/sbin/sendmail
>
> # dnf repoquery --whatprovides /usr/sbin/sendmail
> esmtp-0:1.2-13.fc30.x86_64
> exim-0:4.92-6.fc30.x86_64
> opensmtpd-0:6.0.3p1-7.fc30.x86_64
> postfix-2:3.4.6-1.fc30.x86_64
> sendmail-0:8.15.2-37.fc30.x86_64
> ssmtp-0:2.64-22.fc30.x86_64
>
> Do you have any others of those installed as well?


Oh, PEBCAC!

Instead of checking, I was certain none of those were installed on *this* VM.  
Problem was
"this" VM wasn't "that" VM.  The correct VM for me to have used was f29k and 
not f29bk.

I think the summer Heat & Humidity is getting to me.

Sorry about that.

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