F23 rsnapshot log timestamps funny

[Christopher Ross]

Since yesterday's update of rsnapshot to
rsnapshot-1.4.2-1.fc23.noarch

The format of the date/time field in the rsnapshot.log has gone funny, 
as per the following examples...


[19/Oct/2016:11:53:42] /usr/bin/rsnapshot daily: completed successfully
[19/Oct/2016:12:04:15] /usr/bin/rsnapshot hourly: completed successfully
[2016-10-19T18:08:11] /usr/bin/rsnapshot hourly: completed successfully
[2016-10-20T00:07:09] /usr/bin/rsnapshot hourly: completed successfully
[2016-10-20T06:06:31] /usr/bin/rsnapshot hourly: completed successfully


Is anyone else seeing this? Is there an easy fix?

Many thanks,
Chris R.

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Re: starting remote firefox via SSH

[Roberto Ragusa]

On 10/19/2016 06:38 PM, Rick Stevens wrote:
> 
>   1. Ensure "X11Forwarding yes" is set in the REMOTE system's
>   /etc/ssh/sshd_config file and make sure sshd has been restarted
>   to read it.
> 
>   2. Run "xhost +" as root on the LOCAL system to permit everyone
>   to make connections to the LOCAL system's X server.
> 
>   2. "su - unprivileged-user-name" on the LOCAL machine.
> 
>   3. "ssh -X user@REMOTEHOST" to log into the REMOTE machine.
> 
>   4. Verify you have a DISPLAY variable set by doing
>   "echo $DISPLAY" on the REMOTE machine. You should get a value
>   like "localhost:10.0", indicating you have X forwarded.
> 
>   5. Run "firefox" on the REMOTE machine. The display should pop
>   up on your local machine.

I'm not sure that step 3 will be able to use the local X as
"su -l" could have unset the DISPLAY variable, you may
need "export DISPLAY=:0".

At step 2.5 you can check if you are able to open windows on your X
e.g. by doing:
  xclock
or
  DISPLAY=:0 xclock
If only the second one works, you need "export DISPLAY=:0" before proceeding.

Anyway, step 2 is a little too permissive.
Better:
  xhost +SI:localuser:x
where x is your unprivileged-user-name.

Regards.
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Re: F23 rsnapshot log timestamps funny

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2016-10-20 at 10:13 +0100, Christopher Ross wrote:
> Since yesterday's update of rsnapshot to
> rsnapshot-1.4.2-1.fc23.noarch
> 
> The format of the date/time field in the rsnapshot.log has gone funny, 
> as per the following examples...
> 
> [19/Oct/2016:11:53:42] /usr/bin/rsnapshot daily: completed successfully
> [19/Oct/2016:12:04:15] /usr/bin/rsnapshot hourly: completed successfully
> [2016-10-19T18:08:11] /usr/bin/rsnapshot hourly: completed successfully
> [2016-10-20T00:07:09] /usr/bin/rsnapshot hourly: completed successfully
> [2016-10-20T06:06:31] /usr/bin/rsnapshot hourly: completed successfully
> 
> 
> Is anyone else seeing this? Is there an easy fix?

You might want to ask on the rsnapshot list at 
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rsnapshot-discuss

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LibreOffice and A4

[Tom Horsley]

Grrr... Aargh... The 2 or 3 times a year I have to use
a word processor, I spend infinitely more time fighting
with the A4 default in LibreOffice than I do actually
composing the document.

Anyone know of any tool anywhere that will go through
a LibreOffice installation and consistently replace
A4 with Letter everywhere in all preferences, templates, etc?

The same question for English (UK) dictionary
versus English (USA) dictionary for spell checking.

Some sort of site preferences tool would be really
useful (especially if it could automagically set
site preferences using geolocation :-).
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Re: LibreOffice and A4

[jesuan]

Good day

LibreOffice uses the global settings of your installation.

In Fedora 24  you can check it in:

Settings -> System Settings -> Regional Settings -> Formats -> Region

You can change your Region to "United States - American English (en_US)"
This should take care of your paper size to "Letter" and probably your 
dictionary as well.

I hope this helps
Jesuan
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Re: LibreOffice and A4

[Terry Polzin]

Menu path doesn't exist in XFCE that way.

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 11:07 AM,  wrote:

> Good day
>
> LibreOffice uses the global settings of your installation.
>
> In Fedora 24  you can check it in:
>
> Settings -> System Settings -> Regional Settings -> Formats -> Region
>
> You can change your Region to "United States - American English (en_US)"
> This should take care of your paper size to "Letter" and probably your
> dictionary as well.
>
> I hope this helps
> Jesuan
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Re: LibreOffice and A4

[Michael H]

Not 100% this will solve it but have you tried localectl?

man localectl

localectl list-locales
localectl set-locale [LOCALE]

On 20/10/16 16:18, Terry Polzin wrote:
> Menu path doesn't exist in XFCE that way.
> 
> On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 11:07 AM,  > wrote:
> 
> Good day
> 
> LibreOffice uses the global settings of your installation.
> 
> In Fedora 24  you can check it in:
> 
> Settings -> System Settings -> Regional Settings -> Formats -> Region
> 
> You can change your Region to "United States - American English (en_US)"
> This should take care of your paper size to "Letter" and probably
> your dictionary as well.
> 
> I hope this helps
> Jesuan
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how to login to the list

[antonio montagnani]

I am receiving all posts, but if I try to log to the list and I say that 
I forgot the password, I get the answer that this e-mail is not 
connected to any account!!! That of course is not possible

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Re: how to login to the list

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2016-10-20 at 17:56 +0200, antonio montagnani wrote:
> I am receiving all posts, but if I try to log to the list and I say that 
> I forgot the password, I get the answer that this e-mail is not 
> connected to any account!!! That of course is not possible

It's possible if you are receiving the list through a different
address, perhaps via a forwarding mechanism. Check the headers on list
messages to see how they are getting to you.

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Re: how to login to the list

[Fernando Cassia]

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 12:56 PM, antonio montagnani <
antonio.montagn...@alice.it> wrote:

> I am receiving all posts, but if I try to log to the list and I say that I
> forgot the password, I get the answer that this e-mail is not connected to
> any account!!! That of course is not possible
>

This is a mailing list, not a web-based forum.
There is nothing to log-in to. To send messages you write a new e-mail to
the list address and everyone subscribed gets it into their inboxes.

Some services like Google Groups and Yahoo groups host discussion groups
which can be accessed like a traditional mailing list and also as a web
based forum (in other words reading and writing new messages from its web
interface).

But AFAIK this is a traditional style mailing list .
FC
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Re: how to login to the list

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2016-10-20 at 13:29 -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 12:56 PM, antonio montagnani <
> antonio.montagn...@alice.it> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > I am receiving all posts, but if I try to log to the list and I say that I
> > forgot the password, I get the answer that this e-mail is not connected to
> > any account!!! That of course is not possible
> > 
> 
> This is a mailing list, not a web-based forum.
> There is nothing to log-in to. To send messages you write a new e-mail to
> the list address and everyone subscribed gets it into their inboxes.
> 
> Some services like Google Groups and Yahoo groups host discussion groups
> which can be accessed like a traditional mailing list and also as a web
> based forum (in other words reading and writing new messages from its web
> interface).
> 
> But AFAIK this is a traditional style mailing list .

Yes, but the web-based archive system changed a few months ago, (to
something that is IMHO markedly worse than what it used to be) and that
does require a login.

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BTW, why doesn't the message footer give the list URL as it used to?

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Re: how to login to the list

[antonio montagnani]

Patrick O'Callaghan ha scritto il 20/10/2016 alle 18:45:

On Thu, 2016-10-20 at 13:29 -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote:

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 12:56 PM, antonio montagnani <
antonio.montagn...@alice.it> wrote:



I am receiving all posts, but if I try to log to the list and I say that I
forgot the password, I get the answer that this e-mail is not connected to
any account!!! That of course is not possible



This is a mailing list, not a web-based forum.
There is nothing to log-in to. To send messages you write a new e-mail to
the list address and everyone subscribed gets it into their inboxes.

Some services like Google Groups and Yahoo groups host discussion groups
which can be accessed like a traditional mailing list and also as a web
based forum (in other words reading and writing new messages from its web
interface).

But AFAIK this is a traditional style mailing list .


Yes, but the web-based archive system changed a few months ago, (to
something that is IMHO markedly worse than what it used to be) and that
does require a login.


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in the previous interface I could log in by e-mail address and password, 
and now ?? I don't have any user accountor if I had one I have no 
idea how to recover it





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Re: how to login to the list

[Antonio M]

I am happy that you don't need to reed archives and/or modify your
account/profile. Count to ten before writing

Antonio Montagnani

Linux Fedora 24 (Workstation)
inviato da Gmail

2016-10-20 18:29 GMT+02:00 Fernando Cassia :

>
>
> On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 12:56 PM, antonio montagnani <
> antonio.montagn...@alice.it> wrote:
>
>> I am receiving all posts, but if I try to log to the list and I say that
>> I forgot the password, I get the answer that this e-mail is not connected
>> to any account!!! That of course is not possible
>>
>
> This is a mailing list, not a web-based forum.
> There is nothing to log-in to. To send messages you write a new e-mail to
> the list address and everyone subscribed gets it into their inboxes.
>
> Some services like Google Groups and Yahoo groups host discussion groups
> which can be accessed like a traditional mailing list and also as a web
> based forum (in other words reading and writing new messages from its web
> interface).
>
> But AFAIK this is a traditional style mailing list .
> FC
>
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Re: how to login to the list

[Kevin Fenzi]

On Thu, 20 Oct 2016 19:01:35 +0200
antonio montagnani  wrote:

> in the previous interface I could log in by e-mail address and
> password, and now ?? I don't have any user accountor if I had one
> I have no idea how to recover it

Unlike mailman 2, mailman 3 (which we now use for all Fedora lists),
has no local accounts or passwords. (aside from a few added when we
were using persona) You instead manage your lists by logging in using
some existing account and then attaching whatever email addresses you
use to that account. 

Currently, you can login via any of the providers listed here: 
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/accounts/login/
yahoo, generic openid, google, fedora, twitter, github, gitlab,
facebook, stack exchange.

So, what you should do is go to: 

https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/

and click on 'login' in the top right. 

Choose a login method. Login via that account. 

Once you are logged in, go to 'my settings' and 'profile' and add email
address. Add your existing email address. You will get a email with a
confirm link in it, once you click on that that email will be attached
to your account and you can subscribe/change prefs for it as much as
you like. If you are using a google email address and sign in with
google, it should automatically attach that email address, so you won't
need to do that part. 

kevin


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Re: how to login to the list

[Fernando Cassia]

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 1:58 PM, Antonio M 
wrote:

> I am happy that you don't need to reed archives
>

Whaat exactly do you mean by "reed" archives?

reed
*noun*
plural noun:

*reeds*
- *1*.
a tall, slender-leaved plant of the grass family that grows in water or on
marshy ground.

   - used in names of plants similar to reeds, growing in wet habitats,
   e.g., *bur reed*.
   - the tall, thin, straight stalk of a reed, used especially as material
   for thatching.
   - reeds growing in a mass or used as material, especially for making
   thatch or household items.
   "a reed curtain"
   - literary
   a rustic musical pipe made from a reed or from straw.

*2*.
a thing or person resembling or likened to a reed, in particular.

;-)


> Count to ten before writing
> Antonio Montagnani
>

The pot calling the kettle black?

This list runs on Mailman. Mailman as sucj -unless configured differently-
takes e-mail commands
via emails to the address {listname}-request

as specified in
http://www.list.org/mailman-member/node10.html

http://www.list.org/mailman-member/node41.html#a:commands
http://www.list.org/mailman-member/node42.html

You're welcome.
FC
-- 
During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary
act
Durante épocas de Engaño Universal, decir la verdad se convierte en un Acto
Revolucionario
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Re: how to login to the list

[Antonio M]

reed means just a mistyping for readnot difficult to understand.



Antonio Montagnani

Linux Fedora 24 (Workstation)
inviato da Gmail

2016-10-20 21:19 GMT+02:00 Fernando Cassia :

>
> On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 1:58 PM, Antonio M 
> wrote:
>
>> I am happy that you don't need to reed archives
>>
>
> Whaat exactly do you mean by "reed" archives?
>
> reed
> *noun*
> plural noun:
>
> *reeds*
> - *1*.
> a tall, slender-leaved plant of the grass family that grows in water or on
> marshy ground.
>
>- used in names of plants similar to reeds, growing in wet habitats,
>e.g., *bur reed*.
>- the tall, thin, straight stalk of a reed, used especially as
>material for thatching.
>- reeds growing in a mass or used as material, especially for making
>thatch or household items.
>"a reed curtain"
>- literary
>a rustic musical pipe made from a reed or from straw.
>
> *2*.
> a thing or person resembling or likened to a reed, in particular.
>
> ;-)
>
>
>> Count to ten before writing
>> Antonio Montagnani
>>
>
> The pot calling the kettle black?
>
> This list runs on Mailman. Mailman as sucj -unless configured differently-
> takes e-mail commands
> via emails to the address {listname}-request
>
> as specified in
> http://www.list.org/mailman-member/node10.html
>
> http://www.list.org/mailman-member/node41.html#a:commands
> http://www.list.org/mailman-member/node42.html
>
> You're welcome.
> FC
> --
> During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a
> revolutionary act
> Durante épocas de Engaño Universal, decir la verdad se convierte en un
> Acto Revolucionario
> - George Orwell
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Re: how to login to the list

[Joe Zeff]

On 10/20/2016 12:19 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote:

Whaat exactly do you mean by "reed" archives?

reed
/noun/
plural noun: *reeds*


Can you read the rede that's written on the reed?
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Re: how to login to the list

[Antonio M]

Tnx Kevin for your kindness. Your e-mail was very clear so now everything
is o.k.



Antonio Montagnani

Linux Fedora 24 (Workstation)
inviato da Gmail

2016-10-20 21:03 GMT+02:00 Kevin Fenzi :

> On Thu, 20 Oct 2016 19:01:35 +0200
> antonio montagnani  wrote:
>
> > in the previous interface I could log in by e-mail address and
> > password, and now ?? I don't have any user accountor if I had one
> > I have no idea how to recover it
>
> Unlike mailman 2, mailman 3 (which we now use for all Fedora lists),
> has no local accounts or passwords. (aside from a few added when we
> were using persona) You instead manage your lists by logging in using
> some existing account and then attaching whatever email addresses you
> use to that account.
>
> Currently, you can login via any of the providers listed here:
> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/accounts/login/
> yahoo, generic openid, google, fedora, twitter, github, gitlab,
> facebook, stack exchange.
>
> So, what you should do is go to:
>
> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/
>
> and click on 'login' in the top right.
>
> Choose a login method. Login via that account.
>
> Once you are logged in, go to 'my settings' and 'profile' and add email
> address. Add your existing email address. You will get a email with a
> confirm link in it, once you click on that that email will be attached
> to your account and you can subscribe/change prefs for it as much as
> you like. If you are using a google email address and sign in with
> google, it should automatically attach that email address, so you won't
> need to do that part.
>
> kevin
>
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Re: What Does Gnome-looks.org Look for to Find Gnome?

[Stephen Morris]

On 20/10/16 08:55, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 10/19/2016 01:49 PM, Stephen Morris wrote:

Does anyone know what Gnome-looks.org looks for the determine that
Gnome is installed? When I go to Gnome-looks.org it tells me it cannot
find Gnome on my system therefore not all of its functionality will
work. Is there something that I need installed for Gnome the would
enable Gnome-looks.org to know that Gnome is installed and when I am
accessing the site I'm accessing it from Gnome?

Assuming you really mean gnome-look.org, I don't see any indication 
that it's trying to find Gnome.  Can you provide an exact location 
where you see that?
Thanks Sam, the site was displaying the message at the top of its web 
pages, but I've gone to the site this morning and its not displaying the 
message any more.


For the Gnome extensions site, there is a Firefox plugin to 
communicate with the website and assist with installing and verifying 
extensions.
Where do I find this addon, I couldn't find it via the Get Addons 
interface in Firefox Nightly.


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Re: How do I Install a Theme Into GDM

[Stephen Morris]

On 20/10/16 11:54, Bryon Adams wrote:

On 10/19/2016 04:38 PM, Stephen Morris wrote:

Hi,

I have downloaded several themes from Gnome-looks.org for GDM, but I
can't find any documentation on the net for installing the theme (not
just the background picture) that actually works for F24. I've found
lots of documentation for updating the default background, but none of
that documentation is valid on my system as either the specified picture
file doesn't exist in the directory specified or the specified directory
doesn't exist. The files I've downloaded are tar.gz files which
Gnome-tweak won't accept as being Gnome-shell theme files (I've found
lots of doco on the net when searching for updating GDM themes that talk
about configuring Gnome Shell).

Does anyone have any ideas on where I need to put the extracted
directories and how I tell GDM which of those themes to use?


regards,

Steve

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Hi Steve,
I believe you just need to dump them into "/usr/share/themes/" if 
you want everyone on the system to have access. Otherwise it should 
just be "~/.themes/" or "~/.local/share/themes/"
I just put the one I use into "/usr/share/themes/" since I don't 
usually install things for single users. After that you need to fire 
up gnome-tweak-tool (if it was already open, close and re-open it) and 
select your new theme from the various drop downs in the Appearance tab.
Thanks Bryon, I've extracted the files to their directories and copied 
them into /usr/share/themes, but none of the drop downs in the 
Appearance tab in Gnome-tweak-tool show any of the new themes. Is 
/usr/share/themes to location for GDM themes?
I've seen some doco on the net for installing GDM themes in Fedora that 
talk about having to update config files but I wasn't able to find the 
documented config files on my system. Is modifying config files the only 
way to update GDM themes, and if so which files do I need to update?


regards,
Steve


Cheers,
  Bryon
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Re: What Does Gnome-looks.org Look for to Find Gnome?

[Samuel Sieb]

On 10/20/2016 01:55 PM, Stephen Morris wrote:
> On 20/10/16 08:55, Samuel Sieb wrote:
>> For the Gnome extensions site, there is a Firefox plugin to
>> communicate with the website and assist with installing and verifying
>> extensions.
> Where do I find this addon, I couldn't find it via the Get Addons
> interface in Firefox Nightly.

It's the GNOME Shell Integration plugin.  It comes in the gnome-shell 
package.

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alacarte alternative

[Patrick Dupre]

Hello,

I know that there is an alliterative to alacarte editor, but I
cannot remember what it is. Could you remind me ?

Thank.

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Re: alacarte alternative

[Patrick Dupre]

Sorry,

 

menulibre
 

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Sent: Friday, October 21, 2016 at 12:27 AM
From: "Patrick Dupre" 
To: fedora 
Subject: alacarte alternative



Hello,

I know that there is an alliterative to alacarte editor, but I
cannot remember what it is. Could you remind me ?

Thank.

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Re: how to login to the list

[stan]

On Thu, 20 Oct 2016 13:03:23 -0600
Kevin Fenzi  wrote:

> Unlike mailman 2, mailman 3 (which we now use for all Fedora lists),
> has no local accounts or passwords. (aside from a few added when we
> were using persona) You instead manage your lists by logging in using
> some existing account and then attaching whatever email addresses you
> use to that account. 
> 
> Currently, you can login via any of the providers listed here: 
> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/accounts/login/
> yahoo, generic openid, google, fedora, twitter, github, gitlab,
> facebook, stack exchange.

I've been thinking about this.  It seems like security is being traded
off for convenience.  If a breach of security occurs (like the yahoo
breach), it means that multiple accounts are now compromised.  I can
see where it becomes easier to administer since the responsibility for
administration is now someone else's responsibility.

Am I missing something?
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Re: how to login to the list

[Matthew Miller]

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 04:25:23PM -0700, stan wrote:
> > Currently, you can login via any of the providers listed here: 
> > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/accounts/login/
> > yahoo, generic openid, google, fedora, twitter, github, gitlab,
> > facebook, stack exchange.
> 
> I've been thinking about this.  It seems like security is being traded
> off for convenience.  If a breach of security occurs (like the yahoo
> breach), it means that multiple accounts are now compromised.  I can
> see where it becomes easier to administer since the responsibility for
> administration is now someone else's responsibility.
> 
> Am I missing something?

Well, mailman2 passwords were always kind of a joke anyway, since you
could reset it with your email address; if you're subscribed with a
yahoo account and your yahoo password is compromised, they could log
in.

But beyond that, security is relative to risk, and related to that,
consequences of failure. What are the consequences here?

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Fedora Project Leader
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Re: How do I Install a Theme Into GDM

[Bryon Adams]

On 10/20/2016 05:16 PM, Stephen Morris wrote:

On 20/10/16 11:54, Bryon Adams wrote:

On 10/19/2016 04:38 PM, Stephen Morris wrote:

Hi,

I have downloaded several themes from Gnome-looks.org for GDM, but I
can't find any documentation on the net for installing the theme (not
just the background picture) that actually works for F24. I've found
lots of documentation for updating the default background, but none of
that documentation is valid on my system as either the specified picture
file doesn't exist in the directory specified or the specified directory
doesn't exist. The files I've downloaded are tar.gz files which
Gnome-tweak won't accept as being Gnome-shell theme files (I've found
lots of doco on the net when searching for updating GDM themes that talk
about configuring Gnome Shell).

Does anyone have any ideas on where I need to put the extracted
directories and how I tell GDM which of those themes to use?


regards,

Steve

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Hi Steve,
I believe you just need to dump them into "/usr/share/themes/" if
you want everyone on the system to have access. Otherwise it should
just be "~/.themes/" or "~/.local/share/themes/"
I just put the one I use into "/usr/share/themes/" since I don't
usually install things for single users. After that you need to fire
up gnome-tweak-tool (if it was already open, close and re-open it) and
select your new theme from the various drop downs in the Appearance tab.

Thanks Bryon, I've extracted the files to their directories and copied
them into /usr/share/themes, but none of the drop downs in the
Appearance tab in Gnome-tweak-tool show any of the new themes. Is
/usr/share/themes to location for GDM themes?
I've seen some doco on the net for installing GDM themes in Fedora that
talk about having to update config files but I wasn't able to find the
documented config files on my system. Is modifying config files the only
way to update GDM themes, and if so which files do I need to update?

regards,
Steve


Cheers,
  Bryon
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What theme are you trying to install? If you could provide the link to 
where you got it from that would be helpful. I'll see if I can get it to 
work. Like I said before, I use a theme with an installer so it's 
possible I have the method incorrect.


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Re: how to login to the list

[Rick Stevens]

On 10/20/2016 04:25 PM, stan wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Oct 2016 13:03:23 -0600
> Kevin Fenzi  wrote:
> 
>> Unlike mailman 2, mailman 3 (which we now use for all Fedora lists),
>> has no local accounts or passwords. (aside from a few added when we
>> were using persona) You instead manage your lists by logging in using
>> some existing account and then attaching whatever email addresses you
>> use to that account. 
>>
>> Currently, you can login via any of the providers listed here: 
>> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/accounts/login/
>> yahoo, generic openid, google, fedora, twitter, github, gitlab,
>> facebook, stack exchange.
> 
> I've been thinking about this.  It seems like security is being traded
> off for convenience.  If a breach of security occurs (like the yahoo
> breach), it means that multiple accounts are now compromised.  I can
> see where it becomes easier to administer since the responsibility for
> administration is now someone else's responsibility.
> 
> Am I missing something?

Not to my mind. SSO (single sign on) is, IMHO, a really bad thing. Yes,
it's easier to administer because the authentication is being handled by
someone else and you "don't have to be bothered". However, now your
security is now ENTIRELY dependent on the security of that provider. If
they're breached, YOU'RE breached. Relying on someone else to provide
your security is, again IMHO, a truly idiotic thing to do.
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Re: how to login to the list

[Matthew Miller]

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 05:01:06PM -0700, Rick Stevens wrote:
> Not to my mind. SSO (single sign on) is, IMHO, a really bad thing. Yes,
> it's easier to administer because the authentication is being handled by
> someone else and you "don't have to be bothered". However, now your
> security is now ENTIRELY dependent on the security of that provider. If
> they're breached, YOU'RE breached. Relying on someone else to provide
> your security is, again IMHO, a truly idiotic thing to do.

Note that with the options provided, you could use your *own* open
identity provider.

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Fedora Project Leader
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Re: how to login to the list

[stan]

On Thu, 20 Oct 2016 19:32:42 -0400
Matthew Miller  wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 04:25:23PM -0700, stan wrote:
> > > Currently, you can login via any of the providers listed here: 
> > > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/accounts/login/
> > > yahoo, generic openid, google, fedora, twitter, github, gitlab,
> > > facebook, stack exchange.  
> > 
> > I've been thinking about this.  It seems like security is being
> > traded off for convenience.  If a breach of security occurs (like
> > the yahoo breach), it means that multiple accounts are now
> > compromised.  I can see where it becomes easier to administer since
> > the responsibility for administration is now someone else's
> > responsibility.
> > 
> > Am I missing something?  
> 
> Well, mailman2 passwords were always kind of a joke anyway, since you
> could reset it with your email address; if you're subscribed with a
> yahoo account and your yahoo password is compromised, they could log
> in.
> 
> But beyond that, security is relative to risk, and related to that,
> consequences of failure. What are the consequences here?
> 

I read this as saying that you are agreeing that it is a security risk,
but that what is being risked is of so little value that any compromise
of security is not worthy of consideration.  And that seems to make
sense in this case.

I then think that Fedora is using all those other accounts as a sort of
'captcha' filter to prevent spam from getting to the list. Otherwise,
why bother having any security at all to sign up for a mailing list?
Just take the email address, send a confirmation, get a response, and
bob's your uncle.

In fact, given that a spammer could set up their own openid server,
there really isn't any security at all.  I suppose the work of setting
up and maintaining the server is a hurdle to prevent casual abuse.
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Re: how to login to the list

[stan]

On Thu, 20 Oct 2016 17:01:06 -0700
Rick Stevens  wrote:

> Not to my mind. SSO (single sign on) is, IMHO, a really bad thing.
> Yes, it's easier to administer because the authentication is being
> handled by someone else and you "don't have to be bothered". However,
> now your security is now ENTIRELY dependent on the security of that
> provider. If they're breached, YOU'RE breached. Relying on someone
> else to provide your security is, again IMHO, a truly idiotic thing
> to do.

Thanks, this was my reasoning as well.  But Matthew has a point too,
that for low value accounts the trade off might be worth it.
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Re: How do I Install a Theme Into GDM

[Tim]

On Fri, 2016-10-21 at 08:16 +1100, Stephen Morris wrote:
> Thanks Bryon, I've extracted the files to their directories and copied
> them into /usr/share/themes, but none of the drop downs in the 
> Appearance tab in Gnome-tweak-tool show any of the new themes. Is 
> /usr/share/themes to location for GDM themes?

I shall state the obvious:  After doing that, did you log out and back
in again?

*Some* things (and I don't know if this is included), are only looked
into at login time.  Changes after login may not be noticed.

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All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point trying
to privately email me, I will only read messages posted to the public lists.

George Orwell's '1984' was supposed to be a warning against tyranny, not
a set of instructions for supposedly democratic governments.
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Re: alacarte alternative

[Angelo Moreschini]

creating a desktop menu item in Gnome, it is very simple  also to do by the
command line

look here :

https://developer.gnome.org/integration-guide/stable/desktop-files.html.en
http://xmodulo.com/how-to-launch-a-gui-based-desktop-program-rom-command-line-in-linux.html
http://xmodulo.com/create-desktop-shortcut-launcher-linux.html

you have simply to write a file with suffix .desktop in the directory :
/usr/share/applications

the content of the file is in

https://developer.gnome.org/integration-guide/stable/desktop-files.html.en

Angelo

On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 1:30 AM, Patrick Dupre  wrote:

> Sorry,
>
> menulibre
>
> 
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> Laboratoire de Physico-Chimie de l'Atmosphère | |
> Université du Littoral-Côte d'Opale | |
> Tel. (33)-(0)3 28 23 76 12 | | Fax: 03 28 65 82 44
> 189A, avenue Maurice Schumann | | 59140 Dunkerque, France
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> *Sent:* Friday, October 21, 2016 at 12:27 AM
> *From:* "Patrick Dupre" 
> *To:* fedora 
> *Subject:* alacarte alternative
> Hello,
>
> I know that there is an alliterative to alacarte editor, but I
> cannot remember what it is. Could you remind me ?
>
> Thank.
>
> 
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> Patrick DUPRÉ | | email: pdu...@gmx.com
> Laboratoire de Physico-Chimie de l'Atmosphère | |
> Université du Littoral-Côte d'Opale | |
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> 189A, avenue Maurice Schumann | | 59140 Dunkerque, France
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