Re: Nouveau trouble

2015-04-28 Thread Anders Wegge Keller
On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 20:24:28 -0400
Matthew Miller  wrote:

> On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 12:38:39AM +0200, Anders Wegge Keller wrote:
> >  With a Dell Precision M4600, running Fedora 21, I've started
> > experiencing troubles with my X sessions within the last six months. The
> > symptoms is that X frezzes, and sometimes, but not always, I can switch
> > to a VT and make a controlled shutdown. At other times, the machine is
> > totally unresponsive, and the only resort is to force a powerdown. I
> > cannot state a more precise date for the first occurrence, as I wrote it
> > off as thermal problems. However, after a vacuum session, the problem
> > persisted, so I dug into the system logs. In /var/log/messages, I find
> > the following pattern on each occurrence:
> 
> I just ran into this with Fedora 22, and was pointed to a libdrm 2.4.60
> bug. If you downgrade to libdrm-2.4.59 (perhaps this build
> http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=606048), can you
> reproduce?

 I have installed the previous version of libdrm, and will try to see if I
can reproduce it, after the next reboot. As an added information, I've found
that using the channel popup-menus in X-Chat is a pretty surefire way of
provoking the fault, so it should be easy enough to see if the behaviour
changes.

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Fedora on systemd-nspawn container - ML best practice

2015-04-28 Thread arnaud gaboury
I started running Fedora server on a systemd-nspawn container.

I am wondering what is the best practice when an issue occurs:
- send to Fedora user ML
- send to systemd-devel ML
- send both with CC

I am afraid that when sending to only one list I will be told to ask
the other one, thus wasting time between the two lists. On the other
hand, CC to both lists can be viewed as spam.

From a user point of view, best would be to post to both lists as long
as the issue can come from systemd-nspawn functionality or Fedora.

use case: after install, boot, upgrade Fedora container, network is
down in container (when it used to work to install some new packages).

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RE: WiFi restoration

2015-04-28 Thread J.Witvliet
With only ten feet away, drop of signal because of distance isn't a serious 
consideration.

However, what Tim wrote does: If there is another modem operation on the same 
frequency, it will cause interference (like the old moiré patterns from 
physics-class)
If they use hidden ssid, it might be a bit harder to detect, but, moving them 4 
channels up/down might be helpful, just like moving to the 5GHz band:
- those signals dampens more when they travel, thus causing less interference
- on the 5GHz band, you can use consecutive channels with less problems, on 2.4 
you have serious overlap.

Hw


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Timothy Murphy wrote:
>> One room in my house is at the boundary of WiFi reception, and WiFi 
>> occasionally fails there.
>> When this happens it is nearly always restored by re-booting.
>> Re-starting NetworkManager never does the trick, however.
>> Is there any other step I could take, short of re-booting?
>> I'm running Fedora-21/KDE.

sean darcy:
> I'm about 10 feet directly across from an n wireless router. And what 
> you describe happens 2-3 times a day. Never on my wife's windows laptop.
> BTW, I don't reboot, just disconnect and reconnect.

You could be in a dead spot for wireless reception - reflections of signals 
around the room you're in merge and cancel out where your computer's antenna is 
located.  Try moving position a bit.  I can produce this sort of problem when 
just a couple of feet from an access point.

You could be using the same WiFi channel as a neighbour, and the clash of each 
others signals messes up yours.  Try changing your access point's channel.  
I've had that problem, too.  Changing channels made a world of difference.  I 
wish the interface that shows your nearby networks that you use to pick the one 
you wanted showed what channels were in use, rather than having to use some 
other debugging tool.  It'd make setting up your wireless LANs a lot easier.

Some access points have an automatic option for them to pick which channel to 
use.  Mine always automatically picked the worst one to use.
Logically speaking, it'd be scanning nearby networks, and avoiding channels 
that are in use; or, for where they're all in use, opting to re-use the channel 
with the weakest signal, presuming that it was the furthest one away.  However, 
there's a fundamental flaw with this process - the access point can only 
determine best and worst channels for itself, your clients are in other 
locations, and which already-in-use channels are stronger and weaker, for them, 
will probably be a different set of channels than the access point's.

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Serial port bug?

2015-04-28 Thread alexis jeandet
Hi,

I found a weird behavior, I don't know if it is a bug. On my codes I
usually look into "/dev/serial/by-id/" to list available serial ports. I
discovered that when I use two FT2232(USB to dual serial port) I only
see the last connected chip not both. If look into
"/dev/serial/by-path/" I see all of them and also into
"/sys/bus/usb-serial/devices/".

Example:

[jeandet@machin opt]$ ls -al /sys/bus/usb-serial/devices/
total 0
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 0 28 avril 10:40 .
drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 0 28 avril 10:40 ..
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 28 avril 10:35 ttyUSB0
-> ../../../devices/pci:00/:00:14.0/usb1/1-2/1-2.2/1-2.2:1.0/ttyUSB0
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 28 avril 10:35 ttyUSB1
-> ../../../devices/pci:00/:00:14.0/usb1/1-2/1-2.2/1-2.2:1.1/ttyUSB1
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 28 avril 10:35 ttyUSB2
-> ../../../devices/pci:00/:00:14.0/usb1/1-1/1-1:1.0/ttyUSB2
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 28 avril 10:35 ttyUSB3
-> ../../../devices/pci:00/:00:14.0/usb1/1-1/1-1:1.1/ttyUSB3
[jeandet@machin opt]$ ls -al /dev/serial/by-id/
total 0
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 80 28 avril 10:32 .
drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 80 28 avril 10:32 ..
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 28 avril 10:32
usb-FTDI_Dual_RS232-HS-if00-port0 -> ../../ttyUSB2
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 28 avril 10:32
usb-FTDI_Dual_RS232-HS-if01-port0 -> ../../ttyUSB3
[jeandet@machin opt]$ ls -al /dev/serial/by-path/
total 0
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 120 28 avril 10:32 .
drwxr-xr-x 4 root root  80 28 avril 10:32 ..
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root  13 28 avril 10:32
pci-:00:14.0-usb-0:1:1.0-port0 -> ../../ttyUSB2
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root  13 28 avril 10:32
pci-:00:14.0-usb-0:1:1.1-port0 -> ../../ttyUSB3
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root  13 28 avril 10:32
pci-:00:14.0-usb-0:2.2:1.0-port0 -> ../../ttyUSB0
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root  13 28 avril 10:32
pci-:00:14.0-usb-0:2.2:1.1-port0 -> ../../ttyUSB1


Should I consider that as a bug? If yes where should I report this
issue? Which package might be the cause, the kernel, udev?

Best regards,
Alexis.



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Re: [systemd-devel] Fedora on systemd-nspawn container - ML best practice

2015-04-28 Thread arnaud gaboury
 On Tue, Apr 28, 2015, 11:38 AM Lennart Poettering 
wrote:

On Tue, 28.04.15 09:31, arnaud gaboury (arnaud.gabo...@gmail.com) wrote:

> I started running Fedora server on a systemd-nspawn container.
>
> I am wondering what is the best practice when an issue occurs:
> - send to Fedora user ML
> - send to systemd-devel ML
> - send both with CC
>
> I am afraid that when sending to only one list I will be told to ask
> the other one, thus wasting time between the two lists. On the other
> hand, CC to both lists can be viewed as spam.
>
> From a user point of view, best would be to post to both lists as long
> as the issue can come from systemd-nspawn functionality or Fedora.
>
> use case: after install, boot, upgrade Fedora container, network is
> down in container (when it used to work to install some new packages).
>
> Thank you for advice about ML posting.

Cross-posting is not particularly popular, so I'd avoid it.

 I know.

If it's nspawn related it's probably best to keep it on the systemd
ML.

Consider using using systemd-networkd in the container and on the
host. If so the network should just work between them.

 I will as systemd- networkd already manage my network on the host. Btw, as
fedora will act as a server, i will need a fix ip, get rid of ebtables and
firewalld in container (kernel is built with apparmor and grsec) etc etc.
Lot of work

Lennart

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Re: read acrobat annotated comments on linux

2015-04-28 Thread Sumit Bhardwaj

Hi Ranjan,

I don't know of any other free/open source software for that, but you 
can install acroread (Acrobat Reader 9.5.5) from here:


http://ardownload.adobe.com/pub/adobe/reader/unix/9.x/9.5.5/enu/AdbeRdr9.5.5-1_i486linux_enu.rpm

For dependencies, do:

sudo yum install nspluginwrapper.I686 libcanberra-gtk2.I686 
adwaita-gtk2-theme.I686 PackageKit-gtk3-module.I686


then do:

sudo yum localinstall AdbeRdr9.5.5-1_i486linux_enu.rpm

Hope it helps.

Hi All,

I know installing this old version of Acrobat Reader is not recommended 
but I don't know of any alternatives. If anybody has better idea please 
let us know.


Regards,
Sumit Bhardwaj

On Tuesday 28 April 2015 01:37 AM, Ranjan Maitra wrote:

Hi,

A colleague sent me annotated (using Acrobat) comments on a pdf. I can't see 
them with zathura or evince. Is there some software that can read them?

Many thanks,
Ranjan



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Re: read acrobat annotated comments on linux

2015-04-28 Thread Ranjan Maitra
Thanks very much. everybody!

Btw, I realized that evince can read some comments but not others 
(specifically, it can read comments using the highligter but not insertions). 
Not clear why.

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Open new window for new empathy conversations

2015-04-28 Thread Mike Wohlgemuth
I'm running Gnome on F21.  How do I get empathy to open a new window
when someone starts a new chat with me?  The notifications are nice, but
unless I'm sitting right there as it happens, I tend to miss them.

Thanks
Woogie

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Tainted kernels

2015-04-28 Thread Joe Zeff
Earlier, I'd asked about what was causing abrt to claim that my laptop's 
kernel was tainted, even though I don't know of anything that would 
cause this.  Somebody asked me to check a certain location in /proc, 
which turned out not to exist on the laptop.  I'd like to check again, 
and check it on my desktop as well because I know the desktop's kernel 
is tainted by kmod-nvidia, and that would give me a good way to compare 
a known-tainted kernel with my laptop's.  Alas, I've lost the email with 
the pointer in it.  If anybody remembers what I'm supposed to check, 
please let me know.  Thanx!

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Re: Tainted kernels

2015-04-28 Thread Kevin Cummings
On 04/28/2015 03:53 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> Earlier, I'd asked about what was causing abrt to claim that my laptop's
> kernel was tainted, even though I don't know of anything that would
> cause this.  Somebody asked me to check a certain location in /proc,
> which turned out not to exist on the laptop.  I'd like to check again,
> and check it on my desktop as well because I know the desktop's kernel
> is tainted by kmod-nvidia, and that would give me a good way to compare
> a known-tainted kernel with my laptop's.  Alas, I've lost the email with
> the pointer in it.  If anybody remembers what I'm supposed to check,
> please let me know.  Thanx!

/proc/sys/kernel/tainted

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Re: Tainted kernels

2015-04-28 Thread Joe Zeff

On 04/28/2015 01:01 PM, Kevin Cummings wrote:


/proc/sys/kernel/tainted



On my desktop it responds 4099.  On my laptop, the file doesn't exist. 
Thanx.  This time, I'll make sure to save the email in case I ever need 
it again.

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Re: Tainted kernels

2015-04-28 Thread foxec...@gmail.com
On my laptop the file exists but it is zero bytes in length


On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 4:17 PM, Joe Zeff  wrote:

> On 04/28/2015 01:01 PM, Kevin Cummings wrote:
>
>>
>> /proc/sys/kernel/tainted
>>
>>
> On my desktop it responds 4099.  On my laptop, the file doesn't exist.
> Thanx.  This time, I'll make sure to save the email in case I ever need it
> again.
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Re: Tainted kernels

2015-04-28 Thread Joe Zeff

On 04/28/2015 01:19 PM, foxec...@gmail.com wrote:

On my laptop the file exists but it is zero bytes in length


I just checked again and got a response of 0, so I probably typoed the 
first time.

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Andriod tablet as a second monitor

2015-04-28 Thread CS DBA
All;

Is it possible to use an andriod tablet as a second monitor? I'm running
Fedora 21 on a Dell Precision Workstation 3800

Thanks in advance
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Re: Andriod tablet as a second monitor

2015-04-28 Thread jd1008



On 04/28/2015 03:36 PM, CS DBA wrote:

All;

Is it possible to use an andriod tablet as a second monitor? I'm running
Fedora 21 on a Dell Precision Workstation 3800

Thanks in advance

Your tablet needs to be running an X server,
and the X server needs to allow your workstation
access to the tablet's X display.

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Re: Andriod tablet as a second monitor

2015-04-28 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2015-04-28 at 15:51 -0600, jd1008 wrote:
> 
> On 04/28/2015 03:36 PM, CS DBA wrote:
> > All;
> >
> > Is it possible to use an andriod tablet as a second monitor? I'm running
> > Fedora 21 on a Dell Precision Workstation 3800
> >
> > Thanks in advance
> Your tablet needs to be running an X server,
> and the X server needs to allow your workstation
> access to the tablet's X display.

There are several VNC clients and viewers on the Google Play store. Also
RDP (Remote Desktop) and Teamviewer.

poc

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Re: Andriod tablet as a second monitor

2015-04-28 Thread jd1008



On 04/28/2015 03:51 PM, jd1008 wrote:



On 04/28/2015 03:36 PM, CS DBA wrote:

All;

Is it possible to use an andriod tablet as a second monitor? I'm running
Fedora 21 on a Dell Precision Workstation 3800

Thanks in advance

Your tablet needs to be running an X server,
and the X server needs to allow your workstation
access to the tablet's X display.


On your android, you can install the Xserver from
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=x.org.server&hl=en

There maybe some firewall rules you might have to set up
in order to make this work.
If your desktop and android are on the same lan, and the router
does force lan isolation, (as most public hotspots do), and
forwall does not allows traffic to/from desktop<->android,
then you would have to create the firefall rules to allow the traffic,
and recofnig the router to allow traffic to/from desktop<->android.

Good luck.

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Re: Andriod tablet as a second monitor

2015-04-28 Thread Rick Stevens

On 04/28/2015 02:59 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Tue, 2015-04-28 at 15:51 -0600, jd1008 wrote:


On 04/28/2015 03:36 PM, CS DBA wrote:

All;

Is it possible to use an andriod tablet as a second monitor? I'm running
Fedora 21 on a Dell Precision Workstation 3800

Thanks in advance

Your tablet needs to be running an X server,
and the X server needs to allow your workstation
access to the tablet's X display.


There are several VNC clients and viewers on the Google Play store. Also
RDP (Remote Desktop) and Teamviewer.


I think the OP meant using the tablet like an actual monitor (e.g. 
multidisplay off the OP's video card).


As far as I know that's not possible. The HDMI port on the tablet is
an output only. The tablet is essentially a laptop, and that port is
its auxiliary display port (use it to connect to your TV or some other
HDMI monitor).
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Re: Andriod tablet as a second monitor

2015-04-28 Thread jd1008



On 04/28/2015 04:28 PM, Rick Stevens wrote:

On 04/28/2015 02:59 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Tue, 2015-04-28 at 15:51 -0600, jd1008 wrote:


On 04/28/2015 03:36 PM, CS DBA wrote:

All;

Is it possible to use an andriod tablet as a second monitor? I'm 
running

Fedora 21 on a Dell Precision Workstation 3800

Thanks in advance

Your tablet needs to be running an X server,
and the X server needs to allow your workstation
access to the tablet's X display.


There are several VNC clients and viewers on the Google Play store. Also
RDP (Remote Desktop) and Teamviewer.


I think the OP meant using the tablet like an actual monitor (e.g. 
multidisplay off the OP's video card).


As far as I know that's not possible. The HDMI port on the tablet is
an output only. The tablet is essentially a laptop, and that port is
its auxiliary display port (use it to connect to your TV or some other
HDMI monitor).


No need to use hdmi.
Wifi will work.
It all depends on the X[server - Client] packages' configuration
and firewall rules, ... etc.

Hope the OP will use the SSL'ed version of X-[Server - Viewer] apps.


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Re: Andriod tablet as a second monitor

2015-04-28 Thread jd1008



On 04/28/2015 03:36 PM, CS DBA wrote:

All;

Is it possible to use an andriod tablet as a second monitor? I'm running
Fedora 21 on a Dell Precision Workstation 3800

Thanks in advance

See a good list of X display Servers and Clients at

https://play.google.com/store/search?q=free%20xserver&c=apps

Beware though, some of these apps may turn out to contain malware
(stealing your contacts and passwords such as when you want to connect
the tablet to be an X-Viewer of the Desktop's Display.

I have read a few professionally written articles by security companies
about the malware in the android apps.


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Re: Andriod tablet as a second monitor

2015-04-28 Thread Rick Stevens

On 04/28/2015 03:40 PM, jd1008 wrote:



On 04/28/2015 04:28 PM, Rick Stevens wrote:

On 04/28/2015 02:59 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Tue, 2015-04-28 at 15:51 -0600, jd1008 wrote:


On 04/28/2015 03:36 PM, CS DBA wrote:

All;

Is it possible to use an andriod tablet as a second monitor? I'm
running
Fedora 21 on a Dell Precision Workstation 3800

Thanks in advance

Your tablet needs to be running an X server,
and the X server needs to allow your workstation
access to the tablet's X display.


There are several VNC clients and viewers on the Google Play store. Also
RDP (Remote Desktop) and Teamviewer.


I think the OP meant using the tablet like an actual monitor (e.g.
multidisplay off the OP's video card).

As far as I know that's not possible. The HDMI port on the tablet is
an output only. The tablet is essentially a laptop, and that port is
its auxiliary display port (use it to connect to your TV or some other
HDMI monitor).


No need to use hdmi.
Wifi will work.
It all depends on the X[server - Client] packages' configuration
and firewall rules, ... etc.

Hope the OP will use the SSL'ed version of X-[Server - Viewer] apps.


I was addressing the OP's question and I think the OP was trying to do
something like Xinerama using his tablet as a second monitor--not as a
remote desktop client. I use some vncviewer-ish thing on my tablet over
wifi and that's fine (damned hard to read with these old eyes and I
HATE having to scroll the display around), but I don't think that's
what the OP was trying to do.

For what I think the OP wants, he'd need something like a Mimo
USB-based LCD device--not a tablet. I have one of these Mimo devices
and it does sorta look like a tablet. It is merely a small LCD that
interfaces via USB. It works--not great, but it works. I haven't futzed
with it in a while (probably since F19) and it needed an xorg.conf file
with it configured as the primary display (ugh!). The login prompt and
desktop displayed on the Mimo and I had to drag stuff to the big
monitor to read it. Not ideal.

I have the xorg.conf file here in my hot little hands if you want to
see it. I never optimized it, it was more an exercise in a "can I get
the beblistered thing to work?"-form of self torture with the result
best summarized as, "Well, yes I can...but it hurts too much!"
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Re: WiFi restoration

2015-04-28 Thread Tim
On Tue, 2015-04-28 at 10:01 +0200, j.witvl...@mindef.nl wrote:
> With only ten feet away, drop of signal because of distance isn't a
> serious consideration.

With close distances, it's usually signal reflections, that mess up a
signal, rather than signal losses.  The reflections can add together in
bad ways, and cancel out, or seriously mess up the signal.  You can also
get signal overload causing strange things.

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