Re: Disk Drive Torture Test

[jd1008]

On 11/29/2014 07:58 PM, Joseph Loo wrote:

On 11/29/2014 04:23 PM, jd1008 wrote:

Is there a linux disk drive non-destructive torture test package?


Have you looked at badblocks?


Yes.
It does not do what I want.

Thanx,

JD
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Re: Wine + Safari 5.1.7 + Adobe Flash Player

[Sudhir Khanger]

On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 1:56 AM, jd1008  wrote:
> Hi all,
> I repeatedly installed Adobe flash player within wine
> so that Safari can play flash vids (under Wine).
> But Safari keeps popping a message in the video window
> to install the missing plugin.
> Any info on how to make it work?

I am curious what space does Safari fills that Firefox or Chrome or
Konqueror or Epiphany or Midori don't.

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Re: A gmane mystery

[Sudhir Khanger]

On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 6:29 AM, Timothy Murphy  wrote:
> I've been collecting redhat.fedora from gmane for several years,
> but about a week ago I found that while I could read gmane newsgroups
> I was unable to post to them - that is, my posts did not appear.

How are you accessing GMane? At least in Kontact mails are always send
from SMTP part of Kontact so it doesn't matter if you read the
messages in KMail or Knode.

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Re: monitor arrangement

[Florian Weimer]

* Steven Stern:

> I just plugged in a 2nd monitor and it's working very nicely. I have it
> set so monitor #1 (primary) is on the right and monitor #2 (secondary)
> is on the left. I set this from ALL SETTINGS -> DISPLAYS.
>
> On reboot, the system comes up with #1 on the left and #2 on the right,
> not physically, but virtually. I have to move the mouse to the right on
> the primary monitor to get it on the secondary monitor to the left.
>
> How can I force the settings to be saved across sessions and boots?

My experience with GNOME is that it is generally saved across
sessions.  I have a file ~/.config/monitors.xml which lists the two
different setups I use regularly (two separate workplaces with
different external monitors), and GNOME Shell (or something else)
automatically applies the proper settings.  I suspect it needs correct
EDID data for this to work, though.

From time to time, the mechanism fails, and the external display is
not powered up.  I haven't yet figured out why this happens.
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Re: Somewhat OT, encryption question

[Florian Weimer]

* Bill Oliver:

> Is there anything like that for fedora?

There is some work on TPM support for LUKS.  I don't know if it has
made its way into Fedora, though.

> It would probably be pretty easy to hack the gpg source code to add
> a few lines to append system information to the passphrase, but if
> there's something already around, I'd like to play with it...

This isn't very secure, you also need to make sure that the
information cannot be copied.  TPM achieves that.
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Re: Xfce lock screen really not blanking screen

[poma]

On 30.11.2014 05:53, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> On a Lenovo x120e.
> 
> It makes the screen blank, but does not turn off the video so there is 
> this black light on the screen.  My Gnome system (same model, different 
> unit) really turns off the video for blanking the screen.
> 
> I should also say that the Xfce system is running F21 final RC1.
> 
> So am I missing an Xfce screen option, as I am new to Xfce?  Or is 
> something not right either in Lenovo support or in F21?
> 
> 

Fedora 2x

https://github.com/the-cavalry/light-locker
https://github.com/the-cavalry/light-locker/releases/download/v1.5.0/light-locker-1.5.0.tar.bz2
~~~
diff /usr/bin/xflock4.orig /usr/bin/xflock4
... 
 for lock_cmd in \
+"light-locker-command --lock" \
 "xscreensaver-command -lock" \
 "gnome-screensaver-command --lock"
 do
 $lock_cmd >/dev/null 2>&1 && exit
 done
~
/etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf
display-setup-script=/usr/bin/display-off-after-1-min

/usr/bin/display-off-after-1-min
#!/bin/sh
xset dpms 0 0 60
~~~
$ chmod +x /usr/bin/display-off-after-1-min


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Re: Disk Drive Torture Test

[Ted Roche]

Torture has been proven not to provide the intelligence you're looking for.

What is it you are trying to do? SMART will tell you if your drive is
likely to fail soon. Are you trying to force a failure of the drive?

On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 7:23 PM, jd1008  wrote:

> Is there a linux disk drive non-destructive torture test package?
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Is my USB drive dying?

[Robert Moskowitz]

Logwatch says:

- Kernel Begin 

 WARNING:  Kernel Errors Present
EXT4-fs error (device sdc1): e ...:  80 Time(s)
sd 7:0:0:0: [sdc] Sense Key : Recovered Error [current] [descr ...:  14 
Time(s)
 
 -- Kernel End -



And in /var/log/messages I see:

Nov 30 07:41:11 homebase kernel: sd 7:0:0:0: [sdc] Sense Key : Recovered 
Error [current] [descriptor]
Nov 30 07:41:11 homebase kernel: Descriptor sense data with sense 
descriptors (in hex):
Nov 30 07:41:11 homebase kernel:72 01 04 1d 00 00 00 0e 09 0c 00 
00 00 00 3a a6

Nov 30 07:41:11 homebase kernel:00 32 00 06 40 50
Nov 30 07:41:11 homebase kernel: sd 7:0:0:0: [sdc] ASC=0x4 ASCQ=0x1d
Nov 30 07:41:11 homebase kernel: sd 7:0:0:0: [sdc] Sense Key : Recovered 
Error [current] [descriptor]
Nov 30 07:41:11 homebase kernel: Descriptor sense data with sense 
descriptors (in hex):
Nov 30 07:41:11 homebase kernel:72 01 04 1d 00 00 00 0e 09 0c 00 
00 00 00 3a 00

Nov 30 07:41:11 homebase kernel:00 4f 00 c2 00 50
Nov 30 07:41:11 homebase kernel: sd 7:0:0:0: [sdc] ASC=0x4 ASCQ=0x1d

This is both my backup drive and where my repos are located.  So given 
this is the time of the 'big sales' is this drive failing and it is time 
to buy a replacement?



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Re: Is my USB drive dying?

[poma]

On 30.11.2014 14:10, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> Logwatch says:
> 
> - Kernel Begin 
> 
>   WARNING:  Kernel Errors Present
>  EXT4-fs error (device sdc1): e ...:  80 Time(s)
>  sd 7:0:0:0: [sdc] Sense Key : Recovered Error [current] [descr ...:  14 
> Time(s)
>   
>   -- Kernel End -
> 
> 
> And in /var/log/messages I see:
> 
> Nov 30 07:41:11 homebase kernel: sd 7:0:0:0: [sdc] Sense Key : Recovered 
> Error [current] [descriptor]
> Nov 30 07:41:11 homebase kernel: Descriptor sense data with sense 
> descriptors (in hex):
> Nov 30 07:41:11 homebase kernel:72 01 04 1d 00 00 00 0e 09 0c 00 
> 00 00 00 3a a6
> Nov 30 07:41:11 homebase kernel:00 32 00 06 40 50
> Nov 30 07:41:11 homebase kernel: sd 7:0:0:0: [sdc] ASC=0x4 ASCQ=0x1d
> Nov 30 07:41:11 homebase kernel: sd 7:0:0:0: [sdc] Sense Key : Recovered 
> Error [current] [descriptor]
> Nov 30 07:41:11 homebase kernel: Descriptor sense data with sense 
> descriptors (in hex):
> Nov 30 07:41:11 homebase kernel:72 01 04 1d 00 00 00 0e 09 0c 00 
> 00 00 00 3a 00
> Nov 30 07:41:11 homebase kernel:00 4f 00 c2 00 50
> Nov 30 07:41:11 homebase kernel: sd 7:0:0:0: [sdc] ASC=0x4 ASCQ=0x1d
> 
> This is both my backup drive and where my repos are located.  So given 
> this is the time of the 'big sales' is this drive failing and it is time 
> to buy a replacement?
> 
> 

https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/drivers/usb/storage/transport.c?id=e16da02
https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/drivers/usb/storage/transport.c
/* Driver for USB Mass Storage compliant devices
 *
 * Current development and maintenance by:
 *   (c) 1999-2002 Matthew Dharm (mdharm-...@one-eyed-alien.net)
 *
 * Developed with the assistance of:
 *   (c) 2000 David L. Brown, Jr. (usb-stor...@davidb.org)
 *   (c) 2000 Stephen J. Gowdy (sgo...@lbl.gov)
 *   (c) 2002 Alan Stern 
 *
 * Initial work by:
 *   (c) 1999 Michael Gee (mich...@linuxspecific.com)

http://vger.kernel.org/vger-lists.html#linux-usb
http://vger.kernel.org/vger-lists.html#linux-scsi


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Re: Is my USB drive dying?

[Robert Moskowitz]

On 11/30/2014 08:36 AM, poma wrote:

On 30.11.2014 14:10, Robert Moskowitz wrote:

Logwatch says:

- Kernel Begin 

   WARNING:  Kernel Errors Present
  EXT4-fs error (device sdc1): e ...:  80 Time(s)
  sd 7:0:0:0: [sdc] Sense Key : Recovered Error [current] [descr ...:  14 
Time(s)
   
   -- Kernel End -



And in /var/log/messages I see:

Nov 30 07:41:11 homebase kernel: sd 7:0:0:0: [sdc] Sense Key : Recovered
Error [current] [descriptor]
Nov 30 07:41:11 homebase kernel: Descriptor sense data with sense
descriptors (in hex):
Nov 30 07:41:11 homebase kernel:72 01 04 1d 00 00 00 0e 09 0c 00
00 00 00 3a a6
Nov 30 07:41:11 homebase kernel:00 32 00 06 40 50
Nov 30 07:41:11 homebase kernel: sd 7:0:0:0: [sdc] ASC=0x4 ASCQ=0x1d
Nov 30 07:41:11 homebase kernel: sd 7:0:0:0: [sdc] Sense Key : Recovered
Error [current] [descriptor]
Nov 30 07:41:11 homebase kernel: Descriptor sense data with sense
descriptors (in hex):
Nov 30 07:41:11 homebase kernel:72 01 04 1d 00 00 00 0e 09 0c 00
00 00 00 3a 00
Nov 30 07:41:11 homebase kernel:00 4f 00 c2 00 50
Nov 30 07:41:11 homebase kernel: sd 7:0:0:0: [sdc] ASC=0x4 ASCQ=0x1d

This is both my backup drive and where my repos are located.  So given
this is the time of the 'big sales' is this drive failing and it is time
to buy a replacement?



https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/drivers/usb/storage/transport.c?id=e16da02
https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/drivers/usb/storage/transport.c
/* Driver for USB Mass Storage compliant devices
  *
  * Current development and maintenance by:
  *   (c) 1999-2002 Matthew Dharm (mdharm-...@one-eyed-alien.net)
  *
  * Developed with the assistance of:
  *   (c) 2000 David L. Brown, Jr. (usb-stor...@davidb.org)
  *   (c) 2000 Stephen J. Gowdy (sgo...@lbl.gov)
  *   (c) 2002 Alan Stern 
  *
  * Initial work by:
  *   (c) 1999 Michael Gee (mich...@linuxspecific.com)

http://vger.kernel.org/vger-lists.html#linux-usb
http://vger.kernel.org/vger-lists.html#linux-scsi


Poma,

You post all these seemingly great things to install, but not why to 
install them.


Is this a better driver for USB devices?  Does it give better reporting 
to know what the condition of the drive is?


Is the drive even failing or is the current driver reporting too much 
already?  That these are really fairly normal errors that are handled by 
the drive.



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Re: Is my USB drive dying?

[poma]

On 30.11.2014 17:06, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> 
> On 11/30/2014 08:36 AM, poma wrote:
>> On 30.11.2014 14:10, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>>> Logwatch says:
>>>
>>> - Kernel Begin 
>>>
>>>WARNING:  Kernel Errors Present
>>>   EXT4-fs error (device sdc1): e ...:  80 Time(s)
>>>   sd 7:0:0:0: [sdc] Sense Key : Recovered Error [current] [descr ...:  
>>> 14 Time(s)
>>>
>>>-- Kernel End -
>>>
>>>
>>> And in /var/log/messages I see:
>>>
>>> Nov 30 07:41:11 homebase kernel: sd 7:0:0:0: [sdc] Sense Key : Recovered
>>> Error [current] [descriptor]
>>> Nov 30 07:41:11 homebase kernel: Descriptor sense data with sense
>>> descriptors (in hex):
>>> Nov 30 07:41:11 homebase kernel:72 01 04 1d 00 00 00 0e 09 0c 00
>>> 00 00 00 3a a6
>>> Nov 30 07:41:11 homebase kernel:00 32 00 06 40 50
>>> Nov 30 07:41:11 homebase kernel: sd 7:0:0:0: [sdc] ASC=0x4 ASCQ=0x1d
>>> Nov 30 07:41:11 homebase kernel: sd 7:0:0:0: [sdc] Sense Key : Recovered
>>> Error [current] [descriptor]
>>> Nov 30 07:41:11 homebase kernel: Descriptor sense data with sense
>>> descriptors (in hex):
>>> Nov 30 07:41:11 homebase kernel:72 01 04 1d 00 00 00 0e 09 0c 00
>>> 00 00 00 3a 00
>>> Nov 30 07:41:11 homebase kernel:00 4f 00 c2 00 50
>>> Nov 30 07:41:11 homebase kernel: sd 7:0:0:0: [sdc] ASC=0x4 ASCQ=0x1d
>>>
>>> This is both my backup drive and where my repos are located.  So given
>>> this is the time of the 'big sales' is this drive failing and it is time
>>> to buy a replacement?
>>>
>>>
>> https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/drivers/usb/storage/transport.c?id=e16da02
>> https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/drivers/usb/storage/transport.c
>> /* Driver for USB Mass Storage compliant devices
>>   *
>>   * Current development and maintenance by:
>>   *   (c) 1999-2002 Matthew Dharm (mdharm-...@one-eyed-alien.net)
>>   *
>>   * Developed with the assistance of:
>>   *   (c) 2000 David L. Brown, Jr. (usb-stor...@davidb.org)
>>   *   (c) 2000 Stephen J. Gowdy (sgo...@lbl.gov)
>>   *   (c) 2002 Alan Stern 
>>   *
>>   * Initial work by:
>>   *   (c) 1999 Michael Gee (mich...@linuxspecific.com)
>>
>> http://vger.kernel.org/vger-lists.html#linux-usb
>> http://vger.kernel.org/vger-lists.html#linux-scsi
> 
> Poma,
> 
> You post all these seemingly great things to install, but not why to 
> install them.
> 
> Is this a better driver for USB devices?  Does it give better reporting 
> to know what the condition of the drive is?
> 
> Is the drive even failing or is the current driver reporting too much 
> already?  That these are really fairly normal errors that are handled by 
> the drive.
> 
> 

Under the Linux there is no genuine "USB" drive, all is "SCSI" emulated.
Because this is probably not a problem with the media per se, but probably with 
the device controller on device and or host, ask Alan & Co. @linux-usb/scsi.
But before you do that, you can try this:
- shake the drive
- replace all cables, data and power
- switch it to another USB bus, another host/machine


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Re: Latest systemd news

[Lars E. Pettersson]

On 11/18/14 04:20, Rahul Sundaram wrote:

user mailing list of a distribution which doesn't even use the component
at all yet.


Well, how long do you think it will take until the "component" is being 
used then? Systemd have had a tendency to very quickly find its way into 
Fedora, and probably this will also do so. I.e., it might not be here 
yet, but it is on the door step. And discussions about this is a good 
thing, even on this list.


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Re: A gmane mystery

[Timothy Murphy]

On Sunday 30 November 2014 14:09:33 Sudhir Khanger wrote:

> > I've been collecting redhat.fedora from gmane for several years,
> > but about a week ago I found that while I could read gmane newsgroups
> > I was unable to post to them - that is, my posts did not appear.

> How are you accessing GMane? At least in Kontact mails are always send
> from SMTP part of Kontact so it doesn't matter if you read the
> messages in KMail or Knode.

I access GMane through KNode.
But recently I have not been able to post through KNode,
but only by sending email (with KMail) to
users@lists.fedoraproject.org , which appears to be mirrored by
gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.general .

However, I have not seen this stated officially anywhere.
Is there (incidentally) any way of determining which mailing list
a gmane newsgroup is mirroring?
One would expect it to be stated in Group Properties in KNode,
but it does not appear to be.

I posted this first to the gmane newsgroup,
but it never appeared there.

Any advice or suggestions gratefully received.


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Re: A gmane mystery

[Ed Greshko]

On 12/01/14 06:30, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> On Sunday 30 November 2014 14:09:33 Sudhir Khanger wrote:
>
>>> I've been collecting redhat.fedora from gmane for several years,
>>> but about a week ago I found that while I could read gmane newsgroups
>>> I was unable to post to them - that is, my posts did not appear.
>> How are you accessing GMane? At least in Kontact mails are always send
>> from SMTP part of Kontact so it doesn't matter if you read the
>> messages in KMail or Knode.
> I access GMane through KNode.
> But recently I have not been able to post through KNode,
> but only by sending email (with KMail) to
> users@lists.fedoraproject.org , which appears to be mirrored by
> gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.general .
>
> However, I have not seen this stated officially anywhere.
> Is there (incidentally) any way of determining which mailing list
> a gmane newsgroup is mirroring?
> One would expect it to be stated in Group Properties in KNode,
> but it does not appear to be.
>
> I posted this first to the gmane newsgroup,
> but it never appeared there.
>
> Any advice or suggestions gratefully received.
>

I don't know where it is getting added.  But, in this email I see

Reply-To: gayle...@eircom.net,
   Community support for Fedora users 


And in their http://gmane.org/post.php page they say

If you post an article to a Gmane group using a Reply-To or From address that 
points to a mailing list, Gmane will quietly drop the message. So don't do that.

So you may want to check that?


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Re: A gmane mystery

[Timothy Murphy]

Ed Greshko wrote:

> I don't know where it is getting added.  But, in this email I see
> 
> Reply-To: gayle...@eircom.net,
>Community support for Fedora users
>
> 
> And in their http://gmane.org/post.php page they say
> 
> If you post an article to a Gmane group using a Reply-To or From address
> that points to a mailing list, Gmane will quietly drop the message. So
> don't do that.
> 
> So you may want to check that?

I think this is a misunderstanding on your part.
When I send email to the mailing list,
I assume the list is added by default to the Reply-To header.

But when I sent the same post to the gmane newsgroup
this would not have appeared.
The full headers in that case (from KNode's Sent-mail) are:
Content-Type:   text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
  From:   Timothy Murphy 
  Reply-To:   gayle...@eircom.net
  Organization:   Trinity College Dublin
  Date:   25:47 +
  User-Agent:   KNode/4.14.3
  Content-Transfer-Encoding:   7Bit
  Subject:   A gmane mystery
  Newsgroups:   gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.general
  References:   <2002614.i5yccuz...@william.gayleard.com> 

  Lines:   32
  MIME-Version:   1.0

I don't think there is anything there pointing to a mailing list.


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Re: A gmane mystery

[Ed Greshko]

On 12/01/14 09:18, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> Ed Greshko wrote:
>
>> I don't know where it is getting added.  But, in this email I see
>>
>> Reply-To: gayle...@eircom.net,
>>Community support for Fedora users
>>
>>
>> And in their http://gmane.org/post.php page they say
>>
>> If you post an article to a Gmane group using a Reply-To or From address
>> that points to a mailing list, Gmane will quietly drop the message. So
>> don't do that.
>>
>> So you may want to check that?
> I think this is a misunderstanding on your part.
> When I send email to the mailing list,
> I assume the list is added by default to the Reply-To header.
>
> But when I sent the same post to the gmane newsgroup
> this would not have appeared.
> The full headers in that case (from KNode's Sent-mail) are:
> Content-Type:   text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
>   From:   Timothy Murphy 
>   Reply-To:   gayle...@eircom.net
>   Organization:   Trinity College Dublin
>   Date:   25:47 +
>   User-Agent:   KNode/4.14.3
>   Content-Transfer-Encoding:   7Bit
>   Subject:   A gmane mystery
>   Newsgroups:   gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.general
>   References:   <2002614.i5yccuz...@william.gayleard.com> 
> 
>   Lines:   32
>   MIME-Version:   1.0
>
> I don't think there is anything there pointing to a mailing list.
>
>

OK...  A stab in the dark.  And, it missed.  :-) :-)

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Re: Is my USB drive dying?

[Chris Murphy]

On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 6:10 AM, Robert Moskowitz  wrote:
> Logwatch says:
>
> - Kernel Begin 
>
>  WARNING:  Kernel Errors Present
> EXT4-fs error (device sdc1): e ...:  80 Time(s)
> sd 7:0:0:0: [sdc] Sense Key : Recovered Error [current] [descr ...:  14
> Time(s)
>   -- Kernel End -
>
>
> And in /var/log/messages I see:
>
> Nov 30 07:41:11 homebase kernel: sd 7:0:0:0: [sdc] Sense Key : Recovered
> Error [current] [descriptor]
> Nov 30 07:41:11 homebase kernel: Descriptor sense data with sense
> descriptors (in hex):
> Nov 30 07:41:11 homebase kernel:72 01 04 1d 00 00 00 0e 09 0c 00 00
> 00 00 3a a6
> Nov 30 07:41:11 homebase kernel:00 32 00 06 40 50
> Nov 30 07:41:11 homebase kernel: sd 7:0:0:0: [sdc] ASC=0x4 ASCQ=0x1d


Googling: sense key recovered error 0x4 0x1d, suggests it's just an
abnormal success message. Use 'smartctl -x /dev/sdc' to extract SMART
info from the drive. If this fails, then it's probably not the best
chipset in the world, hence some commands including smart commands,
aren't working.

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Re: Latest systemd news

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi

On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 2:48 PM, Lars E. Pettersson  wrote:

> On 11/18/14 04:20, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>
>> user mailing list of a distribution which doesn't even use the component
>> at all yet.
>>
>
> Well, how long do you think it will take until the "component" is being
> used then? Systemd have had a tendency to very quickly find its way into
> Fedora, and probably this will also do so. I.e., it might not be here yet,
> but it is on the door step. And discussions about this is a good thing,
> even on this list.


No. It isn't.  Not unless the component is proposed.  If you going to rant
about some experimental component a few days after it has been committed to
the master repository, please do it elsewhere.

Rahul
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Re: Is my USB drive dying?

[Robert Moskowitz]

On 11/30/2014 08:27 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:

On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 6:10 AM, Robert Moskowitz  wrote:

Logwatch says:

- Kernel Begin 

  WARNING:  Kernel Errors Present
 EXT4-fs error (device sdc1): e ...:  80 Time(s)
 sd 7:0:0:0: [sdc] Sense Key : Recovered Error [current] [descr ...:  14
Time(s)
   -- Kernel End -


And in /var/log/messages I see:

Nov 30 07:41:11 homebase kernel: sd 7:0:0:0: [sdc] Sense Key : Recovered
Error [current] [descriptor]
Nov 30 07:41:11 homebase kernel: Descriptor sense data with sense
descriptors (in hex):
Nov 30 07:41:11 homebase kernel:72 01 04 1d 00 00 00 0e 09 0c 00 00
00 00 3a a6
Nov 30 07:41:11 homebase kernel:00 32 00 06 40 50
Nov 30 07:41:11 homebase kernel: sd 7:0:0:0: [sdc] ASC=0x4 ASCQ=0x1d


Googling: sense key recovered error 0x4 0x1d, suggests it's just an
abnormal success message. Use 'smartctl -x /dev/sdc' to extract SMART
info from the drive. If this fails, then it's probably not the best
chipset in the world, hence some commands including smart commands,
aren't working.


You are a better searcher than I...

# smartctl -x /dev/sdc
smartctl 5.43 2012-06-30 r3573 [x86_64-linux-2.6.32-431.23.3.v6.x86_64] 
(local build)

Copyright (C) 2002-12 by Bruce Allen, http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net

/dev/sdc: Unknown USB bridge [0x059f:0x1053 (0x006)]
Smartctl: please specify device type with the -d option.

Use smartctl -h to get a usage summary

ARGH!!!  This is an HP SFF; I would have to dig out which model, but 
that would not help.  If the USB bridge is unknown, that fact that it is 
an HP, probably will not help.


Or is it the drive?  It has been in constant use for 3 years:

1TB Porsche Design P'9230 External Hard Drive - SuperSpeed USB 3.0 



Can get a replacement now for 1/2 the price.  In fact can get a 2Tb USB 
drive for $80 right now.



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Re: Is my USB drive dying?

[Ralf Corsepius]

On 12/01/2014 03:12 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:


/dev/sdc: Unknown USB bridge [0x059f:0x1053 (0x006)]


googling for "usb id 0x059f:0x1053" points to
http://www.smartmontools.org/wiki/Supported_USB-Devices

which indicates
LaCie Porsche design Desktop drive P'9230 	? 	0x059f:0x1053 	Lacie USB 
3.0 4TB external drive 	-d sat



1TB Porsche Design P'9230 External Hard Drive - SuperSpeed USB 3.0


This would match the smartmontools' web page.

If the page cited above is right, appending "-d sat" to the smartctl's 
command line should help.


Should this help, to have this issue permanently resolved, upstream 
smartctl/smartmontools and/or Fedora should add an entry corresponding 
to this drive to smartmontools's drivedb.h


Ralf

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Re: Is my USB drive dying?

[Chris Murphy]

On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 7:12 PM, Robert Moskowitz  wrote:
>
> On 11/30/2014 08:27 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>
> On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 6:10 AM, Robert Moskowitz 
> wrote:
>
> Logwatch says:
>
> - Kernel Begin 
>
>  WARNING:  Kernel Errors Present
> EXT4-fs error (device sdc1): e ...:  80 Time(s)
> sd 7:0:0:0: [sdc] Sense Key : Recovered Error [current] [descr ...:  14
> Time(s)
>   -- Kernel End -
>
>
> And in /var/log/messages I see:
>
> Nov 30 07:41:11 homebase kernel: sd 7:0:0:0: [sdc] Sense Key : Recovered
> Error [current] [descriptor]
> Nov 30 07:41:11 homebase kernel: Descriptor sense data with sense
> descriptors (in hex):
> Nov 30 07:41:11 homebase kernel:72 01 04 1d 00 00 00 0e 09 0c 00 00
> 00 00 3a a6
> Nov 30 07:41:11 homebase kernel:00 32 00 06 40 50
> Nov 30 07:41:11 homebase kernel: sd 7:0:0:0: [sdc] ASC=0x4 ASCQ=0x1d
>
> Googling: sense key recovered error 0x4 0x1d, suggests it's just an
> abnormal success message. Use 'smartctl -x /dev/sdc' to extract SMART
> info from the drive. If this fails, then it's probably not the best
> chipset in the world, hence some commands including smart commands,
> aren't working.
>
>
> You are a better searcher than I...
>
> # smartctl -x /dev/sdc
> smartctl 5.43 2012-06-30 r3573 [x86_64-linux-2.6.32-431.23.3.v6.x86_64]

This is a somewhat old version of smartmontools. Current is 6.3.

> (local build)
> Copyright (C) 2002-12 by Bruce Allen, http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net
>
> /dev/sdc: Unknown USB bridge [0x059f:0x1053 (0x006)]
> Smartctl: please specify device type with the -d option.

Well it might be worth looking on the smartmontools site to see if
ther's a -d option that'll work with your bridge. It might even be
listed.

>
> Use smartctl -h to get a usage summary
>
> ARGH!!!  This is an HP SFF; I would have to dig out which model, but that
> would not help.  If the USB bridge is unknown, that fact that it is an HP,
> probably will not help.
>
> Or is it the drive?  It has been in constant use for 3 years:


It's not the drive. It's most likely the USB>SATA bridge chipset.
Those were pretty much junk 4+ years ago when it came to passing
through the full ATA command set, including things like SMART
commands, and SCT.



>
> 1TB Porsche Design P'9230 External Hard Drive - SuperSpeed USB 3.0
>
> Can get a replacement now for 1/2 the price.  In fact can get a 2Tb USB
> drive for $80 right now.

These days I wouldn't accept an enclosure that doesn't fully support
returning all of the results from a smartctl -x. I just bought super
cheapy PUREX enclosures for some laptop drives for $6 each. They're
USB 3.0, and smartctl -x returns everything including PHY events, and
smartctl -l scterc also works (and is nearly mandatory for any kind of
RAID, the alternative being changing the linux SCSI command timer).



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Re: Is my USB drive dying?

[Chris Murphy]

On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 10:08 PM, Ralf Corsepius  wrote:
> On 12/01/2014 03:12 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>
>> /dev/sdc: Unknown USB bridge [0x059f:0x1053 (0x006)]
>
>
> googling for "usb id 0x059f:0x1053" points to
> http://www.smartmontools.org/wiki/Supported_USB-Devices
>
> which indicates
> LaCie Porsche design Desktop drive P'9230   ?   0x059f:0x1053
> Lacie USB 3.0 4TB external drive-d sat
>
>> 1TB Porsche Design P'9230 External Hard Drive - SuperSpeed USB 3.0
>> 
>
> This would match the smartmontools' web page.
>
> If the page cited above is right, appending "-d sat" to the smartctl's
> command line should help.
>
> Should this help, to have this issue permanently resolved, upstream
> smartctl/smartmontools and/or Fedora should add an entry corresponding to
> this drive to smartmontools's drivedb.h

Yeah, almost certainly using a newer version of smartmontools would
fix this since it'd come with a newer version of the drive database
and it'd know how to communicate with the chipset. But this won't fix
the originally cited error he's getting, it'll just let him get SMART
information from the drive; and also make it possible to issue
smartctl -t long to do an extended offline test on all drives.

I forget if smartmontools 5.43 includes update-smart-drivedb command.
If so, using that is worth a shot.



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Re: Is my USB drive dying?

[Ralf Corsepius]

On 12/01/2014 06:37 AM, Chris Murphy wrote:

On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 10:08 PM, Ralf Corsepius  wrote:

On 12/01/2014 03:12 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:


/dev/sdc: Unknown USB bridge [0x059f:0x1053 (0x006)]



googling for "usb id 0x059f:0x1053" points to
http://www.smartmontools.org/wiki/Supported_USB-Devices

which indicates
LaCie Porsche design Desktop drive P'9230   ?   0x059f:0x1053
Lacie USB 3.0 4TB external drive-d sat


1TB Porsche Design P'9230 External Hard Drive - SuperSpeed USB 3.0



This would match the smartmontools' web page.

If the page cited above is right, appending "-d sat" to the smartctl's
command line should help.

Should this help, to have this issue permanently resolved, upstream
smartctl/smartmontools and/or Fedora should add an entry corresponding to
this drive to smartmontools's drivedb.h


Yeah, almost certainly using a newer version of smartmontools would
fix this since it'd come with a newer version of the drive database
and it'd know how to communicate with the chipset.
AFAICT, though their web-page mentions this drive, it's not yet in their 
generated

http://sourceforge.net/p/smartmontools/code/HEAD/tree/trunk/smartmontools/drivedb.h?format=raw


But this won't fix
the originally cited error he's getting, it'll just let him get SMART
information from the drive; and also make it possible to issue
smartctl -t long to do an extended offline test on all drives.

Absolutely.

As you mentioned in another post, my guess would also be a this error to 
originate from an USB>SATA bridge issue. Now that you mentioned it, I 
recall having had similar issues with PCIe->USB3 card several years ago 
(The infamous "Renesas/NEC" driver issues). Unfortunately, I don't 
recall what has resolved these for me :(


Ralf


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