Re: External drive is being mounted as read-only

[Ed Greshko]

On 09/03/14 13:50, Sudhir Khanger wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 03, 2014 06:25:05 AM Ed Greshko wrote:
>> The GID/UID scheme has been around since the dawn of Unix.  Anyone cannot
>> chown, they need to be root.  It isn't, and never was intended, to be a
>> method of securing access to external drives.  If you need to secure access
>> to data on an external drive then you need to use encrypted partitions.
> It's like Linus's printer rant. You setup laptops for family member and they 
> regularly require root password for mundane tasks like hooking up a printer 
> or 
> an external hard drive, etc.
>
That rant is out of date  

You don't need root to do those tasks.   All that needs doing is placing the 
"family member" in the wheel group.  This is done at install time by a 
"checkbox".  Then all the user needs do is use their own password when prompted 
for "authentication" by the system.

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request for DNF package

[Balint Szigeti]

hello

I don't know where I should send this email but I'd like to ask the DNF
developer to the DNF application examine the proxy settings and if the
user run the DNF command with debug option list the all steps instead of
yum.

I just had a case when I couldn't install RPMs by yum.
I traced the network traffic, routing, firewall, debug yum, check
network settings but didn't find the problem. 
After several hours finally I found the problem. Someone configured
proxy settings which was loaded for all user even though yum should have
used their own proxy setting but it didn't do.

So I'd like to ask the DNF developer, DNF on the latest debug level tell
everything what it does like, reading this config file, reading env
variable, setting these variable, using these proxy, configs,
restrictions etc

If someone know how I can reach them please answer to me.

Thank you,
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Re: request for DNF package

[Jan Zelený]

On 3. 9. 2014 at 10:54:07, Balint Szigeti wrote:
> hello
> 
> I don't know where I should send this email but I'd like to ask the DNF
> developer to the DNF application examine the proxy settings and if the
> user run the DNF command with debug option list the all steps instead of
> yum.
> 
> I just had a case when I couldn't install RPMs by yum.
> I traced the network traffic, routing, firewall, debug yum, check
> network settings but didn't find the problem.
> After several hours finally I found the problem. Someone configured
> proxy settings which was loaded for all user even though yum should have
> used their own proxy setting but it didn't do.
> 
> So I'd like to ask the DNF developer, DNF on the latest debug level tell
> everything what it does like, reading this config file, reading env
> variable, setting these variable, using these proxy, configs,
> restrictions etc
> 
> If someone know how I can reach them please answer to me.

Hello,
your best option is to file RFE in Bugzilla [1], the dnf development team is 
quite active there. They usually do the bug triage in a matter of hours 
(mostly days) and they let you know what their call is.

Note: before you file the RFE, I suggest you search through the bug list, I 
have seen some proxy related RFEs there already.

Thanks
Jan

[1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?product=Fedora
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KDE became a sort of sloth

[Walter Cazzola]

Dear Fedora Experts,
I've a Dell Precision m6500 with i7 and 1GB NVIDIA FX3800M and it is
running a Fedora 20 since it was distributed without any trouble.

Two days ago I have updated my system through yum and since then KDE is
really slow to start (Today it tooks 8 minutes to be usable again) and
sometimes becomes unresponsive for a while.

The period of freezing coincide with some HD activities (or at least
with the HD indicator light turned on without blinking (or blinking so
fast that I can't discern it). I've tried to see with top if I have some
suspect process running but everything is as usual.

Also the KDE session the system restores is pretty naïve with a couple
of konsoles, an instance of firefox and a couple of okulars open.
Nothing that, in my view, can justify the change.

I've tried to undo the last update but yum fails in that due to a
dependency issue. Both Baloo and Akonadi indexing service are turned
off. Also googling around didn't suggest me new ideas about how to fix
the problem

My next try it would be to use the nvidia drivers instead of nouveau but
before selling my soul to the evil ;-) I'd prefer to ask for help.

Any suggestion? Any known bug I'm run into?

Thank you in adavance for your help
Walter
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Re: KDE became a sort of sloth

[Tod Merley]

Some basic tools to learn to find the problem (man pages for each but
search for tutorials):

journalctl

dmesg

top

Then an interesting article I recently ran across:

http://debloper.blogspot.com/2013/12/optimizing-fedora-startup-performance.html

Have fun!


On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 6:51 AM, Walter Cazzola  wrote:

> Dear Fedora Experts,
> I've a Dell Precision m6500 with i7 and 1GB NVIDIA FX3800M and it is
> running a Fedora 20 since it was distributed without any trouble.
>
> Two days ago I have updated my system through yum and since then KDE is
> really slow to start (Today it tooks 8 minutes to be usable again) and
> sometimes becomes unresponsive for a while.
>
> The period of freezing coincide with some HD activities (or at least
> with the HD indicator light turned on without blinking (or blinking so
> fast that I can't discern it). I've tried to see with top if I have some
> suspect process running but everything is as usual.
>
> Also the KDE session the system restores is pretty naïve with a couple
> of konsoles, an instance of firefox and a couple of okulars open.
> Nothing that, in my view, can justify the change.
>
> I've tried to undo the last update but yum fails in that due to a
> dependency issue. Both Baloo and Akonadi indexing service are turned
> off. Also googling around didn't suggest me new ideas about how to fix
> the problem
>
> My next try it would be to use the nvidia drivers instead of nouveau but
> before selling my soul to the evil ;-) I'd prefer to ask for help.
>
> Any suggestion? Any known bug I'm run into?
>
> Thank you in adavance for your help
> Walter
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Re: KDE became a sort of sloth

[Ed Greshko]

On 09/03/14 21:51, Walter Cazzola wrote:
> Dear Fedora Experts,
> I've a Dell Precision m6500 with i7 and 1GB NVIDIA FX3800M and it is
> running a Fedora 20 since it was distributed without any trouble.
>
> Two days ago I have updated my system through yum and since then KDE is
> really slow to start (Today it tooks 8 minutes to be usable again) and
> sometimes becomes unresponsive for a while.
>
> The period of freezing coincide with some HD activities (or at least
> with the HD indicator light turned on without blinking (or blinking so
> fast that I can't discern it). I've tried to see with top if I have some
> suspect process running but everything is as usual.
>
> Also the KDE session the system restores is pretty naïve with a couple
> of konsoles, an instance of firefox and a couple of okulars open.
> Nothing that, in my view, can justify the change.
>
> I've tried to undo the last update but yum fails in that due to a
> dependency issue. Both Baloo and Akonadi indexing service are turned
> off. Also googling around didn't suggest me new ideas about how to fix
> the problem
>
> My next try it would be to use the nvidia drivers instead of nouveau but
> before selling my soul to the evil ;-) I'd prefer to ask for help.
>
> Any suggestion? Any known bug I'm run into?
>
> Thank you in adavance for your help
>

Step 0 - Don't just tell the list there is a dependency issue for a downgrade.  
Show the list what the issue is.

Step 1 - Check your yum log and determine which packages were updated.

Step 2 - Create a totally new user and login as the new user to see if that 
user exhibits the same issue.


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Re: Google Account in GNOME

[Martin Garton]

On 30/08/14 09:35, Dave Cross wrote:
> 
> A few weeks ago, I changed my Google account password. Ever since
> then, GNOME keeps prompting me for my Google account password - but it
> won't accept either the new password or the old one. I just have to
> cancel the dialog box.

I don't know about how to solve this, but I'm seeing the same problem
and it started around the same time it seems.  Did you get anywhere with
this?

FWIW I haven't changed my password for a long time.  The dialog box just
started appearing and doesn't accept the password.

I'm going to try to investigate later.

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Re: Google Account in GNOME

[Paul Cartwright]

On 09/03/2014 03:17 PM, Martin Garton wrote:
> On 30/08/14 09:35, Dave Cross wrote:
>> A few weeks ago, I changed my Google account password. Ever since
>> then, GNOME keeps prompting me for my Google account password - but it
>> won't accept either the new password or the old one. I just have to
>> cancel the dialog box.
> I don't know about how to solve this, but I'm seeing the same problem
> and it started around the same time it seems.  Did you get anywhere with
> this?
>
> FWIW I haven't changed my password for a long time.  The dialog box just
> started appearing and doesn't accept the password.
>
> I'm going to try to investigate later.
>
I had a similar problem with gmail, I found I had to decrease the
security settings, there is now a 2-step more secure login/password
setup for gmail..

I think this might help:
http://email.about.com/od/gmailtips/qt/How-To-Secure-Your-Gmail-Account-With-A-Password-And-Your-Phone.htm


  Verification

To turn off enhanced two-step verification for your Gmail account:

  * Go to the Google /2-step verification
/ page.
  * If prompted, enter your Gmail password under /Password:/ and
click /Sign in/.
  * Click /Turn off 2-step verification…/.
  * Now click /OK/.



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Re: Google Account in GNOME

[Darryl L. Pierce]

On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 09:35:11AM +0100, Dave Cross wrote:
> Soon after I installed Fedora 20 I used the online accounts config
> panel to set up my Google account. This worked well for several
> months.
> 
> A few weeks ago, I changed my Google account password. Ever since
> then, GNOME keeps prompting me for my Google account password - but it
> won't accept either the new password or the old one. I just have to
> cancel the dialog box.
> 
> I've tried removing the account and adding it back, but it still won't
> accept the password. Every time I wake the system from sleep, I get a
> dialog box asking for my Google account password which I have to
> cancel.
> 
> Does anyone have any idea what's going on or how I can fix this?

Confirming I had this same problem for the longest time. I ended up
deleting my Google account from it as well to make the dialog go away.

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Re: Google Account in GNOME

[Darryl L. Pierce]

On Wed, Sep 03, 2014 at 03:41:41PM -0400, Paul Cartwright wrote:
> On 09/03/2014 03:17 PM, Martin Garton wrote:
> > On 30/08/14 09:35, Dave Cross wrote:
> >> A few weeks ago, I changed my Google account password. Ever since
> >> then, GNOME keeps prompting me for my Google account password - but it
> >> won't accept either the new password or the old one. I just have to
> >> cancel the dialog box.
> > I don't know about how to solve this, but I'm seeing the same problem
> > and it started around the same time it seems.  Did you get anywhere with
> > this?
> >
> > FWIW I haven't changed my password for a long time.  The dialog box just
> > started appearing and doesn't accept the password.
> >
> > I'm going to try to investigate later.
> >
> I had a similar problem with gmail, I found I had to decrease the
> security settings, there is now a 2-step more secure login/password
> setup for gmail..
> 
> I think this might help:
> http://email.about.com/od/gmailtips/qt/How-To-Secure-Your-Gmail-Account-With-A-Password-And-Your-Phone.htm
> 
> 
>   Verification
> 
> To turn off enhanced two-step verification for your Gmail account:
> 
>   * Go to the Google /2-step verification
> / page.
>   * If prompted, enter your Gmail password under /Password:/ and
> click /Sign in/.
>   * Click /Turn off 2-step verification…/.
>   * Now click /OK/.

You can also turn on app passwords for applications.

https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/185833?hl=en

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Re: Google Account in GNOME

[Matthew Miller]

On Wed, Sep 03, 2014 at 03:51:43PM -0400, Darryl L. Pierce wrote:
> >   * Click /Turn off 2-step verification…/.
> You can also turn on app passwords for applications.
> https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/185833?hl=en


Unfortuantely, unless something has changed, Gnome Online Accounts doesn't
support this. (Last I tried, it told me directly that I needed to use my
real account password, not an application password.)

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Re: Google Account in GNOME

[Darryl L. Pierce]

On Wed, Sep 03, 2014 at 03:51:43PM -0400, Darryl L. Pierce wrote:
> You can also turn on app passwords for applications.
> 
> https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/185833?hl=en

...except it seems GOA doesn't accept them. WTH?

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Re: Google Account in GNOME

[Matthew Miller]

On Wed, Sep 03, 2014 at 03:59:53PM -0400, Darryl L. Pierce wrote:
> > You can also turn on app passwords for applications.
> > https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/185833?hl=en
> ...except it seems GOA doesn't accept them. WTH?

This is probably a good RFE for https://bugzilla.gnome.org/. I'd do it, but
it sounds like you have the error message more fresh in your mind and can
probably describe it better. :)

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Re: Google Account in GNOME

[Darryl L. Pierce]

On Wed, Sep 03, 2014 at 04:06:03PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 03, 2014 at 03:59:53PM -0400, Darryl L. Pierce wrote:
> > > You can also turn on app passwords for applications.
> > > https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/185833?hl=en
> > ...except it seems GOA doesn't accept them. WTH?
> 
> This is probably a good RFE for https://bugzilla.gnome.org/. I'd do it, but
> it sounds like you have the error message more fresh in your mind and can
> probably describe it better. :)

I went into Seahorse and deleted all of the GOA kruft that was in there
and recreated it and it worked with two-step authentication.

For now.

We'll see what happens when the authorization expires.

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Re: Google Account in GNOME

[Darryl L. Pierce]

On Wed, Sep 03, 2014 at 03:58:29PM -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 03, 2014 at 03:51:43PM -0400, Darryl L. Pierce wrote:
> > >   * Click /Turn off 2-step verification…/.
> > You can also turn on app passwords for applications.
> > https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/185833?hl=en
> 
> 
> Unfortuantely, unless something has changed, Gnome Online Accounts doesn't
> support this. (Last I tried, it told me directly that I needed to use my
> real account password, not an application password.)

Yeah, that makes little sense to me on the surface. The whole point of
app passwords is for stuff like this while enabling two-step
authentication.

I'll file an RFE as you suggested elsewhere and maybe they'll fix it...

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Re: KDE became a sort of sloth

[Mike Chambers]

On Wed, 2014-09-03 at 15:51 +0200, Walter Cazzola wrote:
> Dear Fedora Experts,
> I've a Dell Precision m6500 with i7 and 1GB NVIDIA FX3800M and it is
> running a Fedora 20 since it was distributed without any trouble.
> 
> Two days ago I have updated my system through yum and since then KDE is
> really slow to start (Today it tooks 8 minutes to be usable again) and
> sometimes becomes unresponsive for a while.
> 
> The period of freezing coincide with some HD activities (or at least
> with the HD indicator light turned on without blinking (or blinking so
> fast that I can't discern it). I've tried to see with top if I have some
> suspect process running but everything is as usual.
> 
> Also the KDE session the system restores is pretty naïve with a couple
> of konsoles, an instance of firefox and a couple of okulars open.
> Nothing that, in my view, can justify the change.
> 
> I've tried to undo the last update but yum fails in that due to a
> dependency issue. Both Baloo and Akonadi indexing service are turned
> off. Also googling around didn't suggest me new ideas about how to fix
> the problem
> 
> My next try it would be to use the nvidia drivers instead of nouveau but
> before selling my soul to the evil ;-) I'd prefer to ask for help.

Was the kernel updated?  Have you tried to boot with an older kernel
that worked before to see if there is an issue there?


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Sort of OT

[Roger]

I'm hoping an apache expert may be able to help me.
Following tutorials on how to set up apache to access a web page 
development directory in my /home/user file system using .



ServerAdmin user@localhost
DocumentRoot /var/www/html/mydirectory
ServerName localhost
ErrorLog ${APACHE_LOG_DIR}/error.log
CustomLog ${APACHE_LOG_DIR}/access.log combined


I do not wish to change  in httpd.conf.

I loaded the config files (ubuntu and apple) as per web tutorials, reset 
and restarted apache.

Have the correct paths in 
But in a browser localhost/directory/index.html  always reports error: 
Not Found The requested URL /directory was not found on this server.


What am I missing please
thank you in advance
Roger
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Re: Sort of OT

[Tim]

On Thu, 2014-09-04 at 09:56 +1000, Roger wrote:
>  DocumentRoot /var/www/html/mydirectory

> I do not wish to change  in httpd.conf.

You don't have to, the virtual host sections define what the virtual
host does.

> Have the correct paths in 
> But in a browser localhost/directory/index.html  always reports
> error: 
> Not Found The requested URL /directory was not found on this server.

That should be http://localhost/index.html

Your DocumentRoot says where it starts from, your "mydirectory" and that
becomes the root of the path.

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