Fedora 21 release schedule, etc.

2014-08-28 Thread Jonathan Ryshpan
Up to Fedora 21, releases have occurred at roughly 6 month intervals.
Fedora 21 is scheduled to be released about 11 months after Fedora 20.
Is the intention to schedule future releases at roughly 12 month
intervals, or is the long interval for Fedora 21 only (or whatever)?
Will Fedora 20 be supported till Fedora 22 is released, or for about 13
months after it was released, i.e. about January 2015 (or whatever)?

Sorry if this has already been discussed; I haven't been following the
list carefully.

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Re: Fedora 20 and Dell Latitude e6400

2014-08-28 Thread Gary Stainburn
On Wednesday 27 August 2014 18:46:26 Brian Johnson wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I was recently gifted an old Dell Latitude E6400 laptop and, given its age
> and what I've read, I thought getting Fedora 20 going on it would be
> smooth.
>
> And, to some extent, it was. I was primarily concerned with the wireless,
> but that seems to have been fixed for some time.
>
> Sadly, it wasn't without issues. I'm currently having issues getting my
> trackpad and my webcam going. I've done some looking around with no luck.
>
> For the touchpad, I get basic functionality. I can "tap to click" and use
> the pointer, but I can't use the scroll areas on the side/bottom for
> scrolling. Clicking both physical buttons don't perform a middle-click, and
> tapping with 2-fingers don't give me a "right" click. Going under "mouse &
> touchpad" in Settings only gives me very basic options.
>
> Running "xinput list" shows it being seen as a "PS/2 ALPS DualPoint
> TouchPad". Searching for Fedora and this don't yield much/anything.
>
> I'm running Fedora 20 updated as of today. Kernel is
> 3.15.10-200.fc20.x86_64.
>
> I also would like to get the webcam going. When I try to run Cheese, I get
> a "no device found" error. Running lsusb doesn't show a camera attached.
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
>
> Brian

To get the two button emulation working on my DELL Vostro with my logitech 
wireless mouse I have the following:

[gary@gary ~]$ cat .kde/Autostart/3button 
#!/bin/bash

X='/usr/bin/xinput'

for F in `$X list|grep Logitech|cut -d = -f 2|cut -c1-3` ; do   
   
  $X set-prop $F "Evdev Middle Button Emulation" 1  

  
done  

[gary@gary ~]$ 

It works on my touchpad without me having to do anything.

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Re: Dicom image -

2014-08-28 Thread Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA


On 08/26/14 19:33, Roger Heflin wrote:

I had to go find the CD I had with dicom files on it.

I was not able to get anything selecting the diacomdir file...I had to
go into dicom dir and go down to where there were real files (select
show all files) and then was able to display the image by selecting
each image that was in several different dirs.



I find the best way for me to view the images is to view the list of 
image files in the file manager [Thunar], select the one I want and then 
open it using aeskulap. Then "clicking" on the image brings up the 
start/stop button for display of the live video action.


I looked at the other applications suggested but found none of those 
available via yum and since aeskulap seems to work well and did what I 
needed that's as far as I got so far ...


Thank you,

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Re: Dicom image -

2014-08-28 Thread Ian Malone
On 28 August 2014 09:34, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA
 wrote:
>
> On 08/26/14 19:33, Roger Heflin wrote:
>>
>> I had to go find the CD I had with dicom files on it.
>>
>> I was not able to get anything selecting the diacomdir file...I had to
>> go into dicom dir and go down to where there were real files (select
>> show all files) and then was able to display the image by selecting
>> each image that was in several different dirs.
>
>

Yes, I think lots of stuff just ignores DICOMDIR and scans image files
directly, it's also not an image file itself (though it is another
type of DICOM file) and only used when images are on 'DICOM media'
(which I think amounts to tape or CD), so lots of viewers probably
aren't equipped to handle it. Some applications will let you specify a
directory to load as an alternative to individual files.

>
> I find the best way for me to view the images is to view the list of image
> files in the file manager [Thunar], select the one I want and then open it
> using aeskulap. Then "clicking" on the image brings up the start/stop button
> for display of the live video action.
>
> I looked at the other applications suggested but found none of those
> available via yum and since aeskulap seems to work well and did what I
> needed that's as far as I got so far ...
>

Cool, haven't used that one before, will have to check it out.

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Re: exfat on SD card getting mounted read-only

2014-08-28 Thread Tim
Allegedly, on or about 27 August 2014, jd1008 sent:
> It is electro-mechanical. No opticals involved at all.

Then try putting a tiny dot of superglue put on top of the slider,
itself, just to make that part of the card a bit bigger.  Poke a
toothpick into the glue, and use that to put a dot on the slider.

That's the simplest way I can think of to make the switch more prominent
to the sensor, without making the whole card too big to fit.

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Re: Chrome not exiting

2014-08-28 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 10:02:44AM +0530, Sudhir Khanger wrote:
> On Thursday, August 28, 2014 06:31:23 AM Ed Greshko wrote:
> > It will come back
> 
> Again see the problem exist in unstable version and if it does file a bug. 
> That is the best possible solution.

If the GNOME solution I already posted doesn't work, you can also go
into Settings in Chrome and turn off the option marked "Continue
running background apps when Google Chrome is closed."

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Re: Fedora 21 release schedule, etc.

2014-08-28 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 00:48:06 -0700
Jonathan Ryshpan  wrote:

> Up to Fedora 21, releases have occurred at roughly 6 month intervals.
> Fedora 21 is scheduled to be released about 11 months after Fedora 20.
> Is the intention to schedule future releases at roughly 12 month
> intervals, or is the long interval for Fedora 21 only (or whatever)?

The long Fedora 21 cycle was to allow time for bringing up tools like
QA's taskotron and rework deliverables to add Server/Workstation/Cloud
products. 

I expect we will go back to a 6 month cycle with f22.

> Will Fedora 20 be supported till Fedora 22 is released, or for about
> 13 months after it was released, i.e. about January 2015 (or
> whatever)?

Right now as far as I know it should be supported until 1 month after
Fedora 22 is released.
 
> Sorry if this has already been discussed; I haven't been following the
> list carefully.

No problems. 

kevin


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md5 encryption

2014-08-28 Thread dustin kempter
hi all, I just had a question. so I have been hearing that md5 has been 
compromised, how much of a security threat does this impose? if it is 
something that poses a large concern is it possible to change the 
encryption method from md5 to crypt? or another method that is not 
compromised?


thanks

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BIOS boot partition, 4x3TB disks, and raid, problems with anaconda

2014-08-28 Thread Lars E. Pettersson

Hi!

I tried to set up a system using four 3TB disks as a raid6. The disks 
are new, no old partitions laying around. I used a USB stick as install 
media (Fedora 20 x86_64 Gnome Live).


I chose manual partitioning to get everything as I wanted. When this was 
ready I got the error message that I also needed a BIOS boot partition 
(I gather that this due to being rather large disks). I tried to create 
one of those, but it seemed to only be created on one of the discs in 
the raid array, I wanted it created on all disks, just as the raid 
partitions. This to be able to boot from any of the disks in the array 
in case of a failure. As it is now, if the main disk dies, I can not 
start the system at all.


Actually I ended up having three BIOS boot partition on the first disk, 
being 2, 1, and 1 MB large. Which is quite annoying. But that's another 
problem...


Before submitting a bug report/RFE on this. Is there anyone out there 
that have done this, from anaconda? I.e. creating raid partitions and 
BIOS boot partitions on ALL disks? If so, how did you do it?


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Re: BIOS boot partition, 4x3TB disks, and raid, problems with anaconda

2014-08-28 Thread Rick Stevens

On 08/28/2014 10:48 AM, Lars E. Pettersson issued this missive:

Hi!

I tried to set up a system using four 3TB disks as a raid6. The disks
are new, no old partitions laying around. I used a USB stick as install
media (Fedora 20 x86_64 Gnome Live).

I chose manual partitioning to get everything as I wanted. When this was
ready I got the error message that I also needed a BIOS boot partition
(I gather that this due to being rather large disks). I tried to create
one of those, but it seemed to only be created on one of the discs in
the raid array, I wanted it created on all disks, just as the raid
partitions. This to be able to boot from any of the disks in the array
in case of a failure. As it is now, if the main disk dies, I can not
start the system at all.

Actually I ended up having three BIOS boot partition on the first disk,
being 2, 1, and 1 MB large. Which is quite annoying. But that's another
problem...

Before submitting a bug report/RFE on this. Is there anyone out there
that have done this, from anaconda? I.e. creating raid partitions and
BIOS boot partitions on ALL disks? If so, how did you do it?


AFAIK, a BIOS boot partition has to be on the primary disk where it can 
be found. At boot time, the BIOS no idea about the RAID since it's a

construct of the operating system. Thus the BIOS can't use a partition
on the RAID to boot.

I think you need to reserve some small space on all the drives (and
with 3TB drives you can afford to sacrifice a few MB), use the remainder
as your RAID, and let the system put the boot partition in that reserved
space on the primary drive (the one the BIOS sees as the boot drive).

I prefer hardware RAID for just this reason (e.g. if you lose the
primary drive, it can still boot since the RAID is visible to the
BIOS). Hardware SATA RAID controllers aren't that expensive ($350 US)
for the peace of mind they bring.

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Re: BIOS boot partition, 4x3TB disks, and raid, problems with anaconda

2014-08-28 Thread Bruno Wolff III

On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 11:10:54 -0700,
 Rick Stevens  wrote:


I think you need to reserve some small space on all the drives (and
with 3TB drives you can afford to sacrifice a few MB), use the remainder
as your RAID, and let the system put the boot partition in that reserved
space on the primary drive (the one the BIOS sees as the boot drive).


I think using raid 1 (with the 1.0 header format) can work well for that. 
There can still grub issues with having a boot just work, but at least 
you have the stuff you need available.

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Re: BIOS boot partition, 4x3TB disks, and raid, problems with anaconda

2014-08-28 Thread Lars E. Pettersson

On 08/28/14 20:21, Bruno Wolff III wrote:

On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 11:10:54 -0700,
  Rick Stevens  wrote:


I think you need to reserve some small space on all the drives (and
with 3TB drives you can afford to sacrifice a few MB), use the remainder
as your RAID, and let the system put the boot partition in that reserved
space on the primary drive (the one the BIOS sees as the boot drive).


I think using raid 1 (with the 1.0 header format) can work well for
that. There can still grub issues with having a boot just work, but at
least you have the stuff you need available.


Yes, that was my intention, raid1 for /boot and raid6 for / Accidentally 
I set /boot also to raid6 :)  But that can be fixed.


On my old system I use 1TB disks, with /boot as raid1, and grub 
boot-loader installed on all disks. On that one I can boot the system 
from any of disks. Which is quite handy.


The problem here seem to be that due to the disks being large (larger 
than 1TB) they are setup as GPT (GUID Partition Table), and they then 
also need a BIOS boot partition to work on non UEFI based systems (if I 
have understood it correctly).


So, to be able to boot from any of the disks, I need a BIOS boot 
partition on all disks, but anaconda seem to only install it on one of 
the disks (i.e. I want the exactly identical partition tables on all disks).


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Re: md5 encryption

2014-08-28 Thread Heinz Diehl
On 28.08.2014, dustin kempter wrote: 

> hi all, I just had a question. so I have been hearing that md5 has been
> compromised, how much of a security threat does this impose?

MD5 is not used for encryption. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MD5
for further details and for what md5 actually is.



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Re: md5 encryption

2014-08-28 Thread Robert Moskowitz
Note my day job IS data communications and security.  I am NOT a 
cryptographer.  I am in a different select group that often refer to 
ourselves as the crypto-plumbers.  We know how to carefully use the 
crypto blocks to build whole systems.


On 08/28/2014 11:34 AM, dustin kempter wrote:
hi all, I just had a question. so I have been hearing that md5 has 
been compromised, how much of a security threat does this impose? if 
it is something that poses a large concern is it possible to change 
the encryption method from md5 to crypt? or another method that is not 
compromised?


md5 is a message digest / hash.  It is an earlier effort by Ron Rivest.  
It was paired with Ron's rc5 streaming encryption cipher, but lived by 
itself as one of the major hash functions in 90s (md5, md160 (do I have 
that right :) ), and sha1).  All have been weakened to different 
levels.  md5 has real attacks where with crafted change to a message you 
can still get the same hash value.


Today you might STILL use sha1; it has had tremendous resiliency. NIST 
was expecting it to fall as badly as md5 by this point.   Most use at 
least sha256, and sha3 is now out there.  Choose your poison.


data confidentiality is another subject.

Hope this helps.


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Re: exfat on SD card getting mounted read-only

2014-08-28 Thread jd1008


On 08/28/2014 06:32 AM, Tim wrote:

Allegedly, on or about 27 August 2014, jd1008 sent:

It is electro-mechanical. No opticals involved at all.

Then try putting a tiny dot of superglue put on top of the slider,
itself, just to make that part of the card a bit bigger.  Poke a
toothpick into the glue, and use that to put a dot on the slider.

That's the simplest way I can think of to make the switch more prominent
to the sensor, without making the whole card too big to fit.


Well, I decided to wait for the 64gbyte xtreme card to soon
go on sale at costco, and will see if it has the same problem.
If it does, then I will return it and try the glue trick. If the 64gbyte
is mountable rw, I will donate my 16gbyte to a friend :)

Thanx,

JD
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2nd IP address on an interface

2014-08-28 Thread Robert Moskowitz

This is on a F20 arm system.  It SHOULD follow F20 rules...

first: cat /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules

# Added by 'write_udev' for detected device 'eth0'.
SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*", 
ATTR{address}=="02:67:15:00:01:78", NAME="eth0"


First IP address is:

/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0

DEVICE="eth0"
BOOTPROTO=none
ONBOOT="yes"
TYPE="Ethernet"
NAME="System eth0"
MACADDR=02:67:15:00:01:63
MTU=1500
DNS1=208.83.67.188
GATEWAY="208.83.67.161"
IPADDR="208.83.67.163"
NETMASK="255.255.255.240"
HOSTNAME="miredo.htt-consult.com"
IPV6INIT="yes"
DNS2=2607:f4b8:3:3:9254:5400:0:188

this works fine.  But now for the second IP address I add:

# cat /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0:0
DEVICE="eth0:0"
BOOTPROTO=none
ONBOOT="yes"
TYPE="Ethernet"
NAME="System eth0"
MTU=1500
GATEWAY="208.83.67.161"
IPADDR="208.83.67.164"
NETMASK="255.255.255.240"

But no second IP address is shown:

]# ifconfig
eth0: flags=4163  mtu 1500
inet 208.83.67.163  netmask 255.255.255.240  broadcast 
208.83.67.175

inet6 fe80::67:15ff:fe00:163  prefixlen 64  scopeid 0x20
ether 02:67:15:00:01:63  txqueuelen 1000  (Ethernet)
RX packets 21  bytes 2556 (2.4 KiB)
RX errors 0  dropped 12  overruns 0  frame 0
TX packets 147  bytes 11726 (11.4 KiB)
TX errors 0  dropped 0 overruns 0  carrier 0  collisions 0
device interrupt 87  base 0x6000

lo: flags=73  mtu 16436
inet 127.0.0.1  netmask 255.0.0.0
inet6 ::1  prefixlen 128  scopeid 0x10
loop  txqueuelen 0  (Local Loopback)
RX packets 90  bytes 8076 (7.8 KiB)
RX errors 0  dropped 0  overruns 0  frame 0
TX packets 90  bytes 8076 (7.8 KiB)
TX errors 0  dropped 0 overruns 0  carrier 0  collisions 0

So what is missing?  Do I need a 70-persistent-net.rules for eth0:0 ??

Or something else?


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Re: 2nd IP address on an interface

2014-08-28 Thread Tom Horsley
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 16:16:55 -0400
Robert Moskowitz wrote:

> So what is missing?  Do I need a 70-persistent-net.rules for eth0:0 ??

These days, I'm pretty sure you are supposed to include
IPADDR2=, NETMASK2=, etc. in the one ifcfg-eth0 file
rather than creating a eth0:0 file (at least that worked
for me on centos 6.5 this week when setting up IP aliases).
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Re: 2nd IP address on an interface

2014-08-28 Thread Lars E. Pettersson

On 08/28/14 22:16, Robert Moskowitz wrote:

# cat /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0:0
DEVICE="eth0:0"
BOOTPROTO=none
ONBOOT="yes"
TYPE="Ethernet"
NAME="System eth0"
MTU=1500
GATEWAY="208.83.67.161"
IPADDR="208.83.67.164"
NETMASK="255.255.255.240"


I think you need to add
ONPARENT=yes
to make it start when its parent does.

That is at least the major difference I see comparing to my setup.

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Re: md5 encryption

2014-08-28 Thread Bruno Wolff III

On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 15:29:58 -0400,
 Robert Moskowitz  wrote:


Today you might STILL use sha1; it has had tremendous resiliency. NIST 
was expecting it to fall as badly as md5 by this point.   Most use at 
least sha256, and sha3 is now out there.  Choose your poison.


sha3 isn't really ready yet (unless something changed within the last 
couple of months). The algorithm was chosen a while ago, but there are 
parameters that need to be chosen and as yet there isn't a standard sha3.

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Re: 2nd IP address on an interface

2014-08-28 Thread Robert Moskowitz


On 08/28/2014 04:24 PM, Tom Horsley wrote:

On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 16:16:55 -0400
Robert Moskowitz wrote:


So what is missing?  Do I need a 70-persistent-net.rules for eth0:0 ??

These days, I'm pretty sure you are supposed to include
IPADDR2=, NETMASK2=, etc. in the one ifcfg-eth0 file
rather than creating a eth0:0 file (at least that worked
for me on centos 6.5 this week when setting up IP aliases).
I added the IPADDR2 and NETMASK2 and it did not add the second address.  
Even after a reboot.


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Re: 2nd IP address on an interface

2014-08-28 Thread Robert Moskowitz


On 08/28/2014 04:35 PM, Lars E. Pettersson wrote:

On 08/28/14 22:16, Robert Moskowitz wrote:

# cat /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0:0
DEVICE="eth0:0"
BOOTPROTO=none
ONBOOT="yes"
TYPE="Ethernet"
NAME="System eth0"
MTU=1500
GATEWAY="208.83.67.161"
IPADDR="208.83.67.164"
NETMASK="255.255.255.240"


I think you need to add
ONPARENT=yes
to make it start when its parent does.

That is at least the major difference I see comparing to my setup.


Add this to ifcfg-eth0:0 and no change.

:(

Got to keep on trying.


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Re: 2nd IP address on an interface

2014-08-28 Thread Lars E. Pettersson

> 29 aug 2014 kl. 00:12 skrev Robert Moskowitz 
> Add this to ifcfg-eth0:0 and no change.
> 
> :(

Ok. Another difference I see is that my interface is named :1, i.e. in my case 
wan:1 Not sure if that makes any difference though, was years since I set this 
up :)

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Re: 2nd IP address on an interface

2014-08-28 Thread Robert Moskowitz


On 08/28/2014 06:23 PM, Lars E. Pettersson wrote:

29 aug 2014 kl. 00:12 skrev Robert Moskowitz 
Add this to ifcfg-eth0:0 and no change.

:(

Ok. Another difference I see is that my interface is named :1, i.e. in my case 
wan:1 Not sure if that makes any difference though, was years since I set this 
up :)


I took out the macaddr changes I was making, trying to go back to as 
much 'base' stuff as I could, and it still is not giving me a 2nd ip addr.


:(


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Re: 2nd IP address on an interface

2014-08-28 Thread Ed Greshko
On 08/29/14 06:11, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>
> On 08/28/2014 04:24 PM, Tom Horsley wrote:
>> On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 16:16:55 -0400
>> Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>>
>>> So what is missing?  Do I need a 70-persistent-net.rules for eth0:0 ??
>> These days, I'm pretty sure you are supposed to include
>> IPADDR2=, NETMASK2=, etc. in the one ifcfg-eth0 file
>> rather than creating a eth0:0 file (at least that worked
>> for me on centos 6.5 this week when setting up IP aliases).
> I added the IPADDR2 and NETMASK2 and it did not add the second address.  Even 
> after a reboot.
>

You may be getting confused by using "ifconfig".

[egreshko@f20f network-scripts]$ cat ifcfg-p2p1
TYPE="Ethernet"
BOOTPROTO=none
DEFROUTE="yes"
IPV4_FAILURE_FATAL=yes
IPV6INIT=yes
IPV6_AUTOCONF=yes
IPV6_DEFROUTE="yes"
IPV6_FAILURE_FATAL="no"
NAME="p2p1"
UUID="5ce325cb-5048-48d7-bdc0-457f278fe1f1"
ONBOOT="yes"
DNS1=192.168.1.18
DOMAIN=greshko.com
HWADDR=08:00:27:B7:04:4A
IPADDR0=192.168.1.227
PREFIX0=24
GATEWAY0=192.168.1.1
IPADDR1=192.168.1.19
PREFIX1=24
IPV6_PEERDNS=yes
IPV6_PEERROUTES=yes

[egreshko@f20f network-scripts]$ ifconfig
enp0s3: flags=4163  mtu 1500
inet 192.168.1.227  netmask 255.255.255.0  broadcast 192.168.1.255
inet6 2001:470:d:6bd:a00:27ff:feb7:44a  prefixlen 64  scopeid 
0x0
inet6 fe80::a00:27ff:feb7:44a  prefixlen 64  scopeid 0x20
ether 08:00:27:b7:04:4a  txqueuelen 1000  (Ethernet)
RX packets 478  bytes 57719 (56.3 KiB)
RX errors 0  dropped 0  overruns 0  frame 0
TX packets 383  bytes 54641 (53.3 KiB)
TX errors 0  dropped 0 overruns 0  carrier 0  collisions 0

*BUT*

[egreshko@f20f network-scripts]$ ip addr
2: enp0s3:  mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state UP 
group default qlen 1000
link/ether 08:00:27:b7:04:4a brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
inet 192.168.1.227/24 brd 192.168.1.255 scope global enp0s3
   valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
inet 192.168.1.19/24 brd 192.168.1.255 scope global secondary enp0s3
   valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
inet6 2001:470:d:6bd:a00:27ff:feb7:44a/64 scope global noprefixroute dynamic
   valid_lft 7200sec preferred_lft 600sec
inet6 fe80::a00:27ff:feb7:44a/64 scope link
   valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever


And from a second system

[egreshko@meimei ~]$ ping 192.168.1.19
PING 192.168.1.19 (192.168.1.19) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 192.168.1.19: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.337 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.19: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=0.290 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.19: icmp_seq=3 ttl=64 time=0.269 ms


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Re: 2nd IP address on an interface

2014-08-28 Thread Ed Greshko
On 08/29/14 07:20, Ed Greshko wrote:
> And from a second system
>
> [egreshko@meimei ~]$ ping 192.168.1.19
> PING 192.168.1.19 (192.168.1.19) 56(84) bytes of data.
> 64 bytes from 192.168.1.19: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.337 ms
> 64 bytes from 192.168.1.19: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=0.290 ms
> 64 bytes from 192.168.1.19: icmp_seq=3 ttl=64 time=0.269 ms

For completeness

[egreshko@meimei ~]$ ssh 192.168.1.19
Last login: Fri Aug 29 07:15:07 2014 from meimei.greshko.com
[egreshko@f20f ~]$ exit
logout
Connection to 192.168.1.19 closed.

[egreshko@meimei ~]$ ssh 192.168.1.227
Last login: Fri Aug 29 07:31:22 2014 from meimei.greshko.com

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Re: 2nd IP address on an interface

2014-08-28 Thread Tom Horsley
On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 07:20:18 +0800
Ed Greshko wrote:

> You may be getting confused by using "ifconfig".

Yea, I forgot that bit, my aliases didn't show up
in ifconfig, but I could ping them from another
computer on the same network.
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Re: 2nd IP address on an interface

2014-08-28 Thread Robert Moskowitz


On 08/28/2014 07:20 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 08/29/14 06:11, Robert Moskowitz wrote:

On 08/28/2014 04:24 PM, Tom Horsley wrote:

On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 16:16:55 -0400
Robert Moskowitz wrote:


So what is missing?  Do I need a 70-persistent-net.rules for eth0:0 ??

These days, I'm pretty sure you are supposed to include
IPADDR2=, NETMASK2=, etc. in the one ifcfg-eth0 file
rather than creating a eth0:0 file (at least that worked
for me on centos 6.5 this week when setting up IP aliases).

I added the IPADDR2 and NETMASK2 and it did not add the second address.  Even 
after a reboot.


You may be getting confused by using "ifconfig".

[egreshko@f20f network-scripts]$ cat ifcfg-p2p1
TYPE="Ethernet"
BOOTPROTO=none
DEFROUTE="yes"
IPV4_FAILURE_FATAL=yes
IPV6INIT=yes
IPV6_AUTOCONF=yes
IPV6_DEFROUTE="yes"
IPV6_FAILURE_FATAL="no"
NAME="p2p1"
UUID="5ce325cb-5048-48d7-bdc0-457f278fe1f1"
ONBOOT="yes"
DNS1=192.168.1.18
DOMAIN=greshko.com
HWADDR=08:00:27:B7:04:4A
IPADDR0=192.168.1.227
PREFIX0=24
GATEWAY0=192.168.1.1
IPADDR1=192.168.1.19
PREFIX1=24
IPV6_PEERDNS=yes
IPV6_PEERROUTES=yes

[egreshko@f20f network-scripts]$ ifconfig
enp0s3: flags=4163  mtu 1500
 inet 192.168.1.227  netmask 255.255.255.0  broadcast 192.168.1.255
 inet6 2001:470:d:6bd:a00:27ff:feb7:44a  prefixlen 64  scopeid 
0x0
 inet6 fe80::a00:27ff:feb7:44a  prefixlen 64  scopeid 0x20
 ether 08:00:27:b7:04:4a  txqueuelen 1000  (Ethernet)
 RX packets 478  bytes 57719 (56.3 KiB)
 RX errors 0  dropped 0  overruns 0  frame 0
 TX packets 383  bytes 54641 (53.3 KiB)
 TX errors 0  dropped 0 overruns 0  carrier 0  collisions 0

*BUT*

[egreshko@f20f network-scripts]$ ip addr
2: enp0s3:  mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state UP 
group default qlen 1000
 link/ether 08:00:27:b7:04:4a brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
 inet 192.168.1.227/24 brd 192.168.1.255 scope global enp0s3
valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
 inet 192.168.1.19/24 brd 192.168.1.255 scope global secondary enp0s3
valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
 inet6 2001:470:d:6bd:a00:27ff:feb7:44a/64 scope global noprefixroute 
dynamic
valid_lft 7200sec preferred_lft 600sec
 inet6 fe80::a00:27ff:feb7:44a/64 scope link
valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever


And from a second system

[egreshko@meimei ~]$ ping 192.168.1.19
PING 192.168.1.19 (192.168.1.19) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 192.168.1.19: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.337 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.19: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 time=0.290 ms
64 bytes from 192.168.1.19: icmp_seq=3 ttl=64 time=0.269 ms



# ip addr show
1: lo:  mtu 16436 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN 
group default

link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00
inet 127.0.0.1/8 scope host lo
inet6 ::1/128 scope host
   valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
2: eth0:  mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast 
state UNKNOWN group default qlen 1000

link/ether 02:56:02:01:f3:b9 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
inet 208.83.67.163/28 brd 208.83.67.175 scope global eth0
inet 208.83.67.164/28 brd 208.83.67.175 scope global secondary eth0
inet6 fe80::56:2ff:fe01:f3b9/64 scope link
   valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever

you are right.  ifconfig USE to be able to do this, but now it is just a 
shell?  over ip and so...


So now to undo a lot of changes and see if I can get back to everything 
working.



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SOLVED - Re: 2nd IP address on an interface

2014-08-28 Thread Robert Moskowitz

It is all ifconfigs fault   :)

I just assumed that in f20 it was still good enough until F21.

# cat /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules

# Added by 'write_udev' for detected device 'eth0'.
SUBSYSTEM=="net", ACTION=="add", DRIVERS=="?*", 
ATTR{address}=="02:67:15:00:01:78", NAME="eth0"


# cat /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0
DEVICE="eth0"
BOOTPROTO=none
ONBOOT="yes"
TYPE="Ethernet"
NAME="System eth0"
MACADDR=02:67:15:00:01:63
MTU=1500
DNS1=208.83.67.148
GATEWAY="208.83.67.161"
IPADDR="208.83.67.163"
IPADDR2="208.83.67.164"
NETMASK="255.255.255.240"
NETMASK2="255.255.255.240"
HOSTNAME="miredo.htt-consult.com"
IPV6INIT="yes"
DNS2=2607:f4b8:3:0:9254:5400:0:148


# ip addr show
1: lo:  mtu 16436 qdisc noqueue state UNKNOWN 
group default

link/loopback 00:00:00:00:00:00 brd 00:00:00:00:00:00
inet 127.0.0.1/8 scope host lo
inet6 ::1/128 scope host
   valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
2: eth0:  mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast 
state UP group default qlen 1000

link/ether 02:67:15:00:01:63 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
inet 208.83.67.163/28 brd 208.83.67.175 scope global eth0
inet 208.83.67.164/28 brd 208.83.67.175 scope global secondary eth0
inet6 fe80::67:15ff:fe00:163/64 scope link
   valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever


On 08/28/2014 07:37 PM, Tom Horsley wrote:

On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 07:20:18 +0800
Ed Greshko wrote:


You may be getting confused by using "ifconfig".

Yea, I forgot that bit, my aliases didn't show up
in ifconfig, but I could ping them from another
computer on the same network.


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Re: Fedora 21 release schedule, etc.

2014-08-28 Thread jd1008


On 08/28/2014 01:48 AM, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote:
Up to Fedora 21, releases have occurred at roughly 6 month 
intervals.   Fedora 21 is scheduled to be released about 11 months 
after Fedora 20.  Is the intention to schedule future releases at 
roughly 12 month intervals, or is the long interval for Fedora 21 only 
(or whatever)?  Will Fedora 20 be supported till Fedora 22 is 
released, or for about 13 months after it was released, i.e. about 
January 2015 (or whatever)?


Sorry if this has already been discussed; I haven't been following the 
list carefully.





Seems that ever since fedora switched to every 6 months release schedule,
the number of bugs has been higher.
I think it is impossible to perform thorough testing and iron out all 
the bugs

of a new release every 6 months.
Simply put, not enough dedicated and SAVVY testers of kernel subsystems
and features being introduced every 6 months.

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Re: Fedora 21 release schedule, etc.

2014-08-28 Thread Derrik Walker v2.0

Seems that ever since fedora switched to every 6 months release schedule,

the number of bugs has been higher.
I think it is impossible to perform thorough testing and iron out all 
the bugs

of a new release every 6 months.
Simply put, not enough dedicated and SAVVY testers of kernel subsystems
and features being introduced every 6 months.





I've often wondered if a 1 year release cycle would be better.

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Re: Fedora 21 release schedule, etc.

2014-08-28 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 19:44:41 -0600
jd1008  wrote:

> Seems that ever since fedora switched to every 6 months release
> schedule, the number of bugs has been higher.
> I think it is impossible to perform thorough testing and iron out all 
> the bugs
> of a new release every 6 months.
> Simply put, not enough dedicated and SAVVY testers of kernel
> subsystems and features being introduced every 6 months.

Fedora has pretty much always been on a 6 month release cycle. 

I think a few of the early core releases were longer, and we had a
longer cycle in f18 due to lots of stuff. 

IMHO, things are less buggy these days, but it might just be that I
don't hit the same things other folks do, or better know how to work
around them. 

kevin



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Re: Fedora 21 release schedule, etc.

2014-08-28 Thread Ranjan Maitra
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 19:44:41 -0600 jd1008  wrote:

> 
> On 08/28/2014 01:48 AM, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote:
> > Up to Fedora 21, releases have occurred at roughly 6 month 
> > intervals.   Fedora 21 is scheduled to be released about 11 months 
> > after Fedora 20.  Is the intention to schedule future releases at 
> > roughly 12 month intervals, or is the long interval for Fedora 21 only 
> > (or whatever)?  Will Fedora 20 be supported till Fedora 22 is 
> > released, or for about 13 months after it was released, i.e. about 
> > January 2015 (or whatever)?
> >
> > Sorry if this has already been discussed; I haven't been following the 
> > list carefully.
> >
> >
> >
> Seems that ever since fedora switched to every 6 months release schedule,
> the number of bugs has been higher.
> I think it is impossible to perform thorough testing and iron out all 
> the bugs
> of a new release every 6 months.
> Simply put, not enough dedicated and SAVVY testers of kernel subsystems
> and features being introduced every 6 months.

Fedora has always been on a 6 month-release schedule. Fedora 21 is the
first to buck this  trend.



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Re: Fedora 21 release schedule, etc.

2014-08-28 Thread Ranjan Maitra
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 21:27:44 -0600 Kevin Fenzi  wrote:

> On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 19:44:41 -0600
> jd1008  wrote:
> 
> > Seems that ever since fedora switched to every 6 months release
> > schedule, the number of bugs has been higher.
> > I think it is impossible to perform thorough testing and iron out all 
> > the bugs
> > of a new release every 6 months.
> > Simply put, not enough dedicated and SAVVY testers of kernel
> > subsystems and features being introduced every 6 months.
> 
> Fedora has pretty much always been on a 6 month release cycle. 
> 
> I think a few of the early core releases were longer, and we had a
> longer cycle in f18 due to lots of stuff. 
> 
> IMHO, things are less buggy these days, but it might just be that I
> don't hit the same things other folks do, or better know how to work
> around them. 

My experience has also been similar.

Ranjan

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Re: 2nd IP address on an interface

2014-08-28 Thread Andre Speelmans
On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 10:35 PM, Lars E. Pettersson  wrote:
>
> On 08/28/14 22:16, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>>
>> # cat /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0:0
>> [snipped]
>> ONBOOT="yes"

> I think you need to add
> ONPARENT=yes
> to make it start when its parent does.

ONPARENT=yes is indeed the parameter instead of ONBOOT for aliases. It
would not matter here, as "yes" is the default value.
As far as I am aware the suggestion from Tom Horsley with things like
IPADDR2, NETMASK2 in the file of the parent is cuurently the preferred
method. (Not my preferred method, but then perhaps I am just stuck
with old stuff that I know.) :)

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Re: 2nd IP address on an interface

2014-08-28 Thread James Hogarth
On 29 Aug 2014 01:32, "Robert Moskowitz"  wrote:
>
> you are right.  ifconfig USE to be able to do this, but now it is just a
shell?  over ip and so...
>

Your memory isn't quite accurate... ifconfig has never handled multiple IP
addresses on an interface with aliases being used to create separate
virtual interfaces instead.

It is also not a shell over ip but rather a completely different package
with a completely different development history...

This is just yet another example of why net-tools has been deprecated a
long time and that people really need to break their muscle memory and use
iproute2 ...

Is net-tools still in the base fedora install? Probably long since time to
pull it if so... I know el7 doesn't include it in base or core package
groups anymore at least..
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recovering lost files

2014-08-28 Thread g

greetings,

i have 3 drives i need to recover that have damaged boot tracks. on the 
3rd drive are boot track back ups that i need to recover.


within the past year, a poster was needing to recover a file. a replier 
suggested a boot iso that recovered files and labeled them with a file 
label of file's size, instead of an arbitrary number.


if the poster/replier, or anyone else recognizes iso i am inquiring 
about, i greatly appreciate their replying.


i searched archives, did not find post. i have never found a good way to 
search archives. is there a page to make searching easier than opening 
individual archives?


TIA for any and all help.

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