Re: openjdk with fedora 18/firefox 19

2013-02-24 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 7:44 PM, Reindl Harald  wrote:
> simple:
> nobody needs java applets
> anybody who requries java applets on his website is an idiot
> this was 10 years ago teh same as now and in the future

so you know better than the RedHat people working on icedtea-web?

How about the Wuala encrypted cloud storage service based in
Switzerland that uses a Java applet?

http://www.documentsnap.com/wuala-securely-synchronize-documents/

how about network device admin applets?

how about ssh clients done in Java, 3d viewers, mind map viewes, or
secure ftp uploaders, for thin clients or cloud storage? here are
some:

http://jmol.sourceforge.net/
http://sourceforge.net/projects/zupload/
http://freemind.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Applet
http://www.cryptzone.com/products/mindterm/

Commercial services use Java applets too:

http://www.sharefile.com/blog/sharefile-has-increased-upload-speeds-up-to-60/
October 2011: " In our effort to continually improve, our development
team has created a function called the “Java Uploader,” which is now
included in all ShareFile plans"

Over the UK, BT´s "Digital Vault" cloud storage also uses a Java
applet based uploader to allow users to effortlessly upload whole
folders...
http://bt.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/10365/~/how-do-i-manually-upload-files-to-my-digital-vault%3F

Wuala (see above)

Gee, I use a Java applet almost daily when I use keepvid.com, and it
works very well. But, gee, you dislike applets I dislike orange
soft drinks.  Opinions are like arseholes... everybody´s got one. Yet,
real-world applet usage contradicts your views...

I guess your hatred of the applets solutions comes from the days of
Java 1.0 and ´animation´ applets on GeoCities sites...  I hated those
too, but I then learned that Java is the easiest way to deploy crypto
signed ´mini-apps´ accessible by the lowest common denominator of
devices, and truly cross-platform... (Unix, OS-X, Windows, Linux)

In the words of RedHat´s Andrew Haley on the OpenJDK list
distro-pkg-dev last April:
"(Hiding the plug-in or making it difficult to run) is truly dreadful
reasoning. Either we think that the plugin is safe enough for people
to use, or we don't ship it."

FC
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nepomuk-core

2013-02-24 Thread Frédéric Bron
I have lot's of errors with nepomuk-core. For example:
Process /usr/bin/nepomukservicestub was killed by signal 11 (SIGSEGV)
or
Process /usr/bin/nepomukserver was killed by signal 11 (SIGSEGV)


Can I safely ignore such errors?
Is this program useful?
I understood it is used for indexing files but how to use the result
of the indexation? Where is the search tool?

Cheers,

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Re: nepomuk-core

2013-02-24 Thread Ed Greshko
On 02/24/13 18:42, Frédéric Bron wrote:
> I have lot's of errors with nepomuk-core. For example:
> Process /usr/bin/nepomukservicestub was killed by signal 11 (SIGSEGV)
> or
> Process /usr/bin/nepomukserver was killed by signal 11 (SIGSEGV)
>
>
> Can I safely ignore such errors?
> Is this program useful?
> I understood it is used for indexing files but how to use the result
> of the indexation? Where is the search tool?

http://userbase.kde.org/Nepomuk/en

Tells you how dolphin makes use of it


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Re: openjdk with fedora 18/firefox 19

2013-02-24 Thread Reindl Harald


Am 24.02.2013 09:27, schrieb Fernando Cassia:
> On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 7:44 PM, Reindl Harald  wrote:
>> simple:
>> nobody needs java applets
>> anybody who requries java applets on his website is an idiot
>> this was 10 years ago teh same as now and in the future
> 
> so you know better than the RedHat people working on icedtea-web?

did i say that?

Redhat is working on "icedtea-web" becasue some self-called
professionals out there built crap using java applets and
combined them often with vendor-lockins

i am working since more than 10 years in the IT as developer
und sysadmin and no there was never a need to have a java
plugin on my linux-workstation - only java for eclipse





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Re: openjdk with fedora 18/firefox 19

2013-02-24 Thread Suvayu Ali
On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 05:22:21PM +, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> Reindl Harald wrote:
> 
> >> Is there an openjdk JRE plugin for Firefox 19 under Fedora 18?
> >> Or have I misunderstood Firefox setup in some way?
> >> 
> >> All the test programs to see if Java is working
> >> (eg http://www.java.com/en/download/testjava.jsp)
> >> seem to look for Sun Java
> 
> > "icedtea-web" is the package with the plugin
> 
> Thanks very much.
> I had forgotten that.
> But wouldn't it be simpler for this to appear among the openjdk packages?

I never understood the package name though.  Why does it have to be
called icedtea-web and not openjdk-icedtea-web or something along those
lines.  I have been on this list for a while now, and this question
comes up time and again across releases.  Often from even users familiar
with fedora for many years.

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Switch between languages in F18 (Panel keyboard indicator is missing)

2013-02-24 Thread Kevin Wilson
Hi , all,
I am working with Fedora 18 in fallback mode (classical mode) of gnome.

I cannot set a panel keyboard indicator. There is no such option from the panel
dialog. In older Fedora distributions there was such an option.

Is there a way to achieve this ?

rgs,
Kevin
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Re: Installing Fedora 18 with prexisting fedora 17 partitions

2013-02-24 Thread Stephen Morris

On 02/22/2013 03:45 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote:

Jim wrote:

F17 > F18

I have finally figured out how to install F18 and saving my existing 
/home

partition, so as not to loose my home directory.

But I would be Damd to explain how in a email , I would just confuse 
the H out
of everyone and myself. the guy at Fedora that came up with this 
installer, must

have done the coding at the local Bar when he was totally Shit Faced.

Does anyone know of a website that shows the installing of f18 , I 
checked all

over the Internet and youtube for this type of f18 install with no luck.


That part was easy, choose a custom layout, pick the partition on the 
left pane, and set the desired mount point.


Its not quite that simple. I did exactly that without destroying my home 
partition, but the installer kept producing errors about there not being 
enough free space to do the install. The installer seemed to be 
incapable of determining that because I selected "format" on the boot 
and root partitions there would definitely be enough space to install.
Also, once I used gparted to reformat the boot and root partitions, the 
installer still refused to do the install if UEFI was active complaining 
that it required the boot partition to be 'gpt', but the installer 
provides no means of setting this. It seems extremely strange that the 
installer is UEFI sensitive when it installs grub not grub2, plus I was 
installing from what appeared to be a live dvd, in terms of at boot it 
provided a choice of booting into a live Fedora 18 or installing Fedora 
18, and at boot time the dvd also says that UEFI is not active in its 
environment, so I am confused as to what the install is trying to do. 
The only way I could get the install to proceed was to switch to legacy 
devices only in the bios, instead of having both with UEFI first.


Also, is Fedora 18 beta? I have all sorts of problems installing the 
proprietary nvidia driver from the rpmfusion directories as the install 
does not remove the nouveau driver from the initrd of any kernels 
installed from the repositories, but does remove it from the initrd of 
the kernel installed from the dvd. I have uninstall the repository 
kernels and then reinstall them so that I can get to the point of 
starting xorg. The nvidia and nouveau drivers cannot coexist, I had the 
same problem in fedora 17 as well, but I did not seem to have the 
problem with Mandriva, but Mandriva provided the driver in their 
repositories.


regards,
Steve




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Re: FC18 Installer is Garbage

2013-02-24 Thread Stephen Morris

On 02/21/2013 04:28 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote:
After a month of asking how to get dual boot working, on this list, 
another support list, in chat rooms, I have not had ONE SINGLE PERSON 
tell me that they installed FC18 and it found their other OS installs 
on that system, much less offered a hint how to get the other OS 
booted. I sadly conclude that Fedora has followed the Windows route 
and doesn't recognize other OS.


Tried with XP, or Win7, or BSD, or FC17, all having their own 
partition(s). None worked, none were recognized, pasting grub2 stanzas 
from previous working OS failed to boot completely.


Very sorry to see this.
I am confused as to what the issue here is, I have no problems 
whatsoever. My machine was quite happily booting between F17, Ubuntu 
12.10 and Windows 8 without issues with the grub2 boot menus being 
written to the mbr on my first drive. I reformatted the boot and root 
partitions and installed F18 from the dvd and it picked up windows and 
ubuntu in its legacy grub menus (legacy grub is installed from the dvd), 
and when I did an upgrade from the repositories, the upgrade to grub2 
picked up all my oses without me having to do anything.


regards,
Steve




Bill Davidsen wrote:
I am zero for three trying to get fc18 to dual boot. I have a number 
of systems
with fc16 or fc17 currently dual booting, some with XP as well. In 
every case,

doing a new install into a new boot and root space, NONE of the existing
installed OS were recognized, only fc18 was left bootable. I also 
tried fedup
using the existing boot partition from fc17 in hope that it would 
learn from the

grub config file and keep the existing boots. Didn't happen.

Is this just no longer possible, or is there magic, or do I have to 
try and
write my own grub2 stanzas, seeing that copying the ones from the 
fc17 boot cfg
and adding them to grub2.cfg results in some boot failure mode? It 
seems that
fc18 just won't coexist with other Linux versions, and the next 
machine I need

to do has XP, fc4, fc9, and is currently on fc13.

Pointer to some useful info?






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Re: desktop search in Fedora - what's best?

2013-02-24 Thread Dave Stevens

Quoting Frantisek Hanzlik :


Suvayu Ali wrote:

On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 06:35:52PM -0800, Dave Stevens wrote:

Quoting poma :


On 02/23/13 22:59, Dave Stevens wrote:
[…]

stable, a nice pair of attributes. Does anyone have better info on this?
or even better, some recent experience?



Recoll/Xapian!
yum info recoll


Cheers,
poma


Thanks, it does look good. Do you use it?


I would recommend this too.  I use it from time to time, however since
I'm on the terminal most of the time, I just use find + grep usually.


I can only agree with You - and maybe locate (from mlocate rpm) yet,
along with find and grep, are very powerfull and flexible tools.


Thanks for the info, everyone, I'm trying out recoll and its firefox  
plugin now, it does seem to work well. And I do use locate and grep,  
wasn't aware of locate or find will check them out.


D




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Re: FC18 Installer is Garbage

2013-02-24 Thread Roger

On 02/25/2013 07:21 AM, Stephen Morris wrote:

On 02/21/2013 04:28 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote:
After a month of asking how to get dual boot working, on this list, 
another support list, in chat rooms, I have not had ONE SINGLE PERSON 
tell me that they installed FC18 and it found their other OS installs 
on that system, much less offered a hint how to get the other OS 
booted. I sadly conclude that Fedora has followed the Windows route 
and doesn't recognize other OS.


Tried with XP, or Win7, or BSD, or FC17, all having their own 
partition(s). None worked, none were recognized, pasting grub2 
stanzas from previous working OS failed to boot completely.


Very sorry to see this.
I am confused as to what the issue here is, I have no problems 
whatsoever. My machine was quite happily booting between F17, Ubuntu 
12.10 and Windows 8 without issues with the grub2 boot menus being 
written to the mbr on my first drive. I reformatted the boot and root 
partitions and installed F18 from the dvd and it picked up windows and 
ubuntu in its legacy grub menus (legacy grub is installed from the 
dvd), and when I did an upgrade from the repositories, the upgrade to 
grub2 picked up all my oses without me having to do anything.


regards,
Steve
Mine also installed from a DVD and all upgrades continue to work fine.  
Found  Ubuntu on the same hard drive with no issue, did not find the 
Fedora 16 because I removed the hd from bios before install then put it 
back after install. But having said that, Fedora 18 sees the Ubuntu and 
Fedora16 in file system, in fact all 3 see all 3 which is great and can 
move and use files across all 3.

regards
Roger


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Re: openjdk with fedora 18/firefox 19

2013-02-24 Thread Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.

On 02/24/2013 07:43 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:


Am 24.02.2013 09:27, schrieb Fernando Cassia:

On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 7:44 PM, Reindl Harald  wrote:

simple:
nobody needs java applets
anybody who requries java applets on his website is an idiot
this was 10 years ago teh same as now and in the future

so you know better than the RedHat people working on icedtea-web?

did i say that?

Redhat is working on "icedtea-web" becasue some self-called
professionals out there built crap using java applets and
combined them often with vendor-lockins

i am working since more than 10 years in the IT as developer
und sysadmin and no there was never a need to have a java
plugin on my linux-workstation - only java for eclipse





I've only been with Fedora since 14 / 15...and I didn't know I didn't 
need java.is it safe to assume that I can uninstall it without any 
adverse affects?..just curious I don't really do anything with Java 
on my machineI'm more a file / server / storage type..but if I don't 
need a particular piece of software on my machines taking up 
space...then I'd rather remove it.



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Re: openjdk with fedora 18/firefox 19

2013-02-24 Thread Reindl Harald


Am 25.02.2013 01:08, schrieb Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.:
> I've only been with Fedora since 14 / 15...and I didn't know I didn't need 
> java.is it safe to assume that I can
> uninstall it without any adverse affects?..just curious I don't really do 
> anything with Java on my
> machineI'm more a file / server / storage type..but if I don't need a 
> particular piece of software on my
> machines taking up space...then I'd rather remove it

if you do not know if and for what you would
use java remove it like any other package you
do not use - that is why package managers like
yum are invited to tell you dependencies before
confirm uninstall

here are currently 1435 packages installed and i
am a heavy user of any IT system i can reach

[harry@srv-rhsoft:~]$ rpm -qa | wc -l
1435





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Re: openjdk with fedora 18/firefox 19

2013-02-24 Thread Jim

On 02/24/2013 07:08 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:

On 02/24/2013 07:43 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:

Am 24.02.2013 09:27, schrieb Fernando Cassia:

On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 7:44 PM, Reindl Harald  wrote:

simple:
nobody needs java applets
anybody who requries java applets on his website is an idiot
this was 10 years ago teh same as now and in the future

so you know better than the RedHat people working on icedtea-web?

did i say that?

Redhat is working on "icedtea-web" becasue some self-called
professionals out there built crap using java applets and
combined them often with vendor-lockins

i am working since more than 10 years in the IT as developer
und sysadmin and no there was never a need to have a java
plugin on my linux-workstation - only java for eclipse





I've only been with Fedora since 14 / 15...and I didn't know I didn't 
need java.is it safe to assume that I can uninstall it without any 
adverse affects?..just curious I don't really do anything with 
Java on my machineI'm more a file / server / storage type..but if 
I don't need a particular piece of software on my machines taking up 
space...then I'd rather remove it.



EGO II


A lot of Federal and State Gov. websites require Java to access their 
websites in the U.S.
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Re: Scaling

2013-02-24 Thread Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.

On 02/24/2013 09:04 PM, Richard Vickery wrote:
In 17 there was an easy way to scale a photo for a background to the 
screen. In Fedora 18 this ease is gone. Is there a way to scale a 
photo to fit the screen without the ease of a button that I can do on 
my own?


Thanks,

Richard


I have been dealing with this issue as well! I thought it was just that 
they "automated" it, but I tried a smaller photo, and it didn't quite 
work out.guess I'll wait for a "fix" or the next release! (Maybe 
there's s config file that can be altered to return this feature!?)



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Re: Scaling

2013-02-24 Thread Richard Vickery
There's got to be a way, and it's probably a very simple config file.


On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 7:05 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.  wrote:

>  On 02/24/2013 09:04 PM, Richard Vickery wrote:
>
> In 17 there was an easy way to scale a photo for a background to the
> screen. In Fedora 18 this ease is gone. Is there a way to scale a photo to
> fit the screen without the ease of a button that I can do on my own?
>
>  Thanks,
>
>  Richard
>
>
>  I have been dealing with this issue as well! I thought it was just that
> they "automated" it, but I tried a smaller photo, and it didn't quite work
> out.guess I'll wait for a "fix" or the next release! (Maybe there's s
> config file that can be altered to return this feature!?)
>
>
> EGO II
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Re: Scaling

2013-02-24 Thread Bill Oliver


Are you talking about the desktop background image?  I think that's a function of which desktop you 
are using.  I use KDE, and nothing has changed -- you just right click on the background, choose 
"Default Desktop Settings" then choose (or open) the image, then pick  the 
"scaled" option.  I don't know how it's done in Gnome.

Or do you mean the splash screen? I haven't played with that...

billo

On Sun, 24 Feb 2013, Richard Vickery wrote:


In 17 there was an easy way to scale a photo for a background to the screen. In 
Fedora 18 this ease is gone. Is
there a way to scale a photo to fit the screen without the ease of a button 
that I can do on my own?
Thanks,

Richard



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Re: Scaling

2013-02-24 Thread Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.

On 02/24/2013 10:30 PM, Bill Oliver wrote:


Are you talking about the desktop background image?  I think that's a 
function of which desktop you are using.  I use KDE, and nothing has 
changed -- you just right click on the background, choose "Default 
Desktop Settings" then choose (or open) the image, then pick  the 
"scaled" option.  I don't know how it's done in Gnome.


Or do you mean the splash screen? I haven't played with that...

billo

On Sun, 24 Feb 2013, Richard Vickery wrote:

In 17 there was an easy way to scale a photo for a background to the 
screen. In Fedora 18 this ease is gone. Is
there a way to scale a photo to fit the screen without the ease of a 
button that I can do on my own?

Thanks,

Richard


Well I cannot speak for Mr. Vickery, but I was talking about the little 
button that was visible when you chose an image to become your desktop 
background in Gnome, this button gave you the options of 
Fill.Center.Tile..Span..Stretch etc the image you chose. 
It seems that as of F18 that's al changed? or was it changed within an 
update, because I seem to recall being able to do it! But with the 
button gone, when you select a picture, there's no way to scale it or 
stretch it or ANYTHINGall you have is the picture, and if it's not 
displayed properly you're pretty much "fluffed"!



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Re: FC18 Installer is Garbage

2013-02-24 Thread Ralf Corsepius

On 02/21/2013 05:40 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote:

Ralf Corsepius wrote:

On 02/20/2013 11:12 PM, Ian Malone wrote:

On 20 February 2013 17:28, Bill Davidsen  wrote:

After a month of asking how to get dual boot working, on this list,
another
support list, in chat rooms, I have not had ONE SINGLE PERSON tell
me that
they installed FC18 and it found their other OS installs on that
system,
much less offered a hint how to get the other OS booted. I sadly
conclude
that Fedora has followed the Windows route and doesn't recognize
other OS.

Tried with XP, or Win7, or BSD, or FC17, all having their own
partition(s).
None worked, none were recognized, pasting grub2 stanzas from previous
working OS failed to boot completely.

Very sorry to see this.



For what it's worth I have F18 dual booting with Windows okay. I
hadn't replied to your emails because it looks like you're trying to
install alongside another linux (F17) and I'm not sure how to do that,
particularly as the solution I did know (the one I think you were
using, with separate boot partitions and the disc grub chainloading to
each one) doesn't work anymore.


It still does work for me - It is exactly what I have.


So the installer worked for you and found your other OS versions and
built entries for you? Never happened for me.


No. As I already wrote elsewhere in this thread, I am trying to keep all 
OSes as separate as possible.


To achive this, I am using as a manually administrated common "/boot" 
partition,


grub chainloader-cascades and separate "boot" partitions for each 
Linux-installation, which chain-loads other OS other partitions.


Furthermore, in each Linux installations' /etc/default/grub, I have set 
GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=true to prevent these Linux installations' grubs 
to add entries for "foreign OSes".


Ralf



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Re: NFS on Fedora 17

2013-02-24 Thread Amit Karpe
1. I have install Fedora 17 (64 Bit). Now I mount any nfs partition.
# uname -a
Linux localhost.localdomain 3.3.4-5.fc17.x86_64 #1 SMP Mon May 7 17:29:34
UTC 2012 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux

2. I have few partitions, which works without any problem.
But one partition is giving problem.
hostanem:/home/ftp/ on /mnt/ftp type nfs
(rw,relatime,vers=3,namlen=255,hard,proto=tcp,timeo=600,retrans=2,sec=sys,mountaddr=XXX,mountvers=3,mountport=892,mountproto=udp,fsc,local_lock=none,addr=XXX)

(  I have used "vers=3" in fstab to mount nfs partition with nfs3 )
But now if I access that partition using ls or df command then command
hangs infinitely. ( Need to kill the command.)

What can be the problem ??


On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 6:26 PM, Amit Karpe  wrote:

> >
> > Just found this
> >
> > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=868584
> >
> > --
>
> I am going through this bug report. But could not find final solution.
> Can I force mount to use nfs2 ??
>



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Re: LDAP client authentication on Fedora 16/17

2013-02-24 Thread Amit Karpe
Following changes & restarting LDAP server help me.

On Server
#service dirsrv restart

On Client
/etc/nsswitch.conf
passwd: files ldap
shadow: files ldap
group:  files ldap
netgroup:   files ldap
hosts:  files dns

/etc/sysconfig/authconfig
USELDAPAUTH=yes
FORCELEGACY=yes

/etc/nss_ldap.conf
bind_policy soft

/etc/pam_ldap.conf
bind_policy soft


Thanks a lot.

On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 8:59 PM, Amit Karpe  wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 8:18 PM, Pavel Lisy  wrote:
>
>> Amit Karpe píše v Pá 22. 02. 2013 v 14:40 +0800:
>> > Hi,
>> > While configuring LDAP client authentication on Fedora 16/17, I am
>> > testing this on Fedora 16 & 17. I have install openldap-clients
>> > nss_ldap . I am facing following problem.
>> > I have done configuration by following this url [1]
>> >
>> > Just to test I have fired following commands with success:
>> > $ldapsearch -x -b 'dc=eos,dc=ntu,dc=edu,dc=sg' 'objectclass=*'
>> > $getent passwd csyong
>> >
>> >
>> > Even I can use #su - csyong with success.
>> >
>> > But still have problem while logging by GDM
>> >
>> > Feb 22 08:16:35 localhost gdm-password][1434]:
>> > pam_unix(gdm-password:auth): authentication failure; logname= uid=0
>> > euid=0 tty=:0 ruser= rhost=  user=csyong
>> > Feb 22 08:16:52 localhost gdm-password][1689]:
>> > pam_unix(gdm-password:auth): authentication failure; logname= uid=0
>> > euid=0 tty=:0 ruser= rhost=  user=csyong
>>
>> Compare files in /etc/pam.d/:
>> gdm-password vs. system-auth (or system-auth-ac)
>>
>
> There is no file as /etc/pam.d/gdm-password, but there is file by name
>  /etc/pam.d/gdm.
> I have maintain same content in /etc/pam.d/password-auth
> and /etc/pam.d/system-auth.
> Some given link [2] says both should be same.
> [2]:
> http://geek.co.il/wp/2012/02/16/ldap-authentication-on-fedora-16-and-why-it-sucks
>
>
>
>> You will need add lines for ldap to gdm-password probably
>>
>> Pavel
>>
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Re: openjdk with fedora 18/firefox 19

2013-02-24 Thread Heinz Diehl
On 25.02.2013, Jim wrote: 

> A lot of Federal and State Gov. websites require Java to access their
> websites in the U.S.

And without java, you won't get access to your internet banking here
in Norway..

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