Re: NOTICE F16 KDE stability solved

2012-04-11 Thread n2xssvv.g02gfr12930
On 11/04/12 03:27, Tim wrote:
> On Tue, 2012-04-10 at 18:30 +0100, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote:
>> Well, after struggling on and off for a few months I have got F16 KDE
>> stable. The answer it turns out was to ensure the BIOS memory settings
>> properly matched the installed processor, as not all processors can
>> make use of all the functionality. In my case using AMD X2 and not
>> AMD Phenom processor.
> Hmm, and good luck getting that right.  In something like 15 years of
> messing with IBM-style personal computers, I've yet to see a manual for
> a motherboard that actually EXPLAINS the features/functions/options set
> in the BIOS they include.
>
> NB:  "Here you can adjust options for your CPU" is not an adequate
> explanation.  We need to know precisely what each individual option
> actually does, and likewise with the choices selectable for each option.
>
> And it's no good referring to instructions for similar-seeming BIOSes,
> we need precise information about what we're actually using.
>
> Even without Windows on a PC, it's still the world's crappiest designed
> product ever produced.
>
Apparently I got lucky. Anyway the crucial settings appear to be the
following:

Memory controller mode : Unganged
Bank interleaving : Auto (Only applicable if you have paired memory
modules installed)
Channel interleaving : disabled   (this is only works for Phenom and not
X2,X3, or X4 processors)

The memory timings and voltages were left as auto.

Motherboard : ASRock K10N78D AMD2 motherboard using AMD X2 processor

With respect to the manual and the BIOS settings I'm inclined to agree
with you, although in this
case it was by referring back to the manual and default values that I
finally solved my problem. In
fact I am now able to use an ATAPI zip drive as well which had long been
a problem. 

For all of this it is still extremely frustrating.

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Re: F16, XFCE/LXDE and hibernate button

2012-04-11 Thread Bruno Wolff III

On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 11:42:46 +0900,
  Joel Rees  wrote:

On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 9:50 AM, Rick Stevens
 wrote:

On 04/10/2012 03:55 PM, Joel Rees wrote:


Anybody using XFCE or LXDE who are missing their hibernate button in
the logout dialog after the recent kernel upgrade?



Which new kernel? I'm running 3.3.1-3.fc16.x86_64 and I see it.


3.3.1-3.fc16.i686


kernel-3.3.1-5.fc16 is available now from koji.
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Login on Fedora 17

2012-04-11 Thread Lawrence Graves
Just want to ask one question. What is Fedora 17 looking for when it 
boots up and ask for localhost login. Everything I have tried has 
failed. Please help.

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Re: Login on Fedora 17

2012-04-11 Thread Frank Murphy

On 11/04/12 14:08, Lawrence Graves wrote:

Just want to ask one question. What is Fedora 17


No idea,
didn't know it was released.


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Re: Login on Fedora 17

2012-04-11 Thread Lawrence Graves
I am sorry. Some of the what I wrote got cut off. I was talking about 
Fedora 17 Beta RC4 release.


On 04/11/2012 07:13 AM, Frank Murphy wrote:

On 11/04/12 14:08, Lawrence Graves wrote:

Just want to ask one question. What is Fedora 17


No idea,
didn't know it was released.




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Re: Fedora 16 killed my eth0 ?

2012-04-11 Thread Andrew Haley
On 04/05/2012 08:10 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote:
> Andrew Haley wrote:
>> On 04/04/2012 06:47 AM, Zoltan Szecsei wrote:
>>> Well, perhaps someone should also think about impact of name-changing.
>>> Quite frankly, what's in a name, so why change it?
>>
>> It's because in the old scheme when a machine had several ports the
>> mapping between the physical hardware and the dev nodes was not fixed:
>> the kernel would just assign names as it found interfaces.  This
>> caused a fair bit of inconvenience.
>>
> You may think this is fixed, but in truth it is *broken*! Instead of 
> having a single predictable interface name you could put in a script 
> which would work on all typical user machines which have a single NIC, 
> or a hardware NIC called eth0 and the first wireless NIC called wlan0.

I take your point: that is a special case, albeit a very common one.

But your reply really does beg the question: what does "the first"
even mean in the context where there is more than one of anything?
All you can do is hope they won't change, or hard-wire some names.
This will be better once people get used to it.

> On top of that, the names are not in any way "fixed," it appears that 
> adding another eSTAT controller renamed my NIC, possibly because it 
> moved to another slot.
> 
>>>  From my side, I have a "no longer supported" SW product that
>>> licenses itself against the MAC address of ETH0. Yep, ETH0 and not
>>> any other name.
>>
>> Put a symlink in?
>>
> To what? If a program does "ifconfig eth0" where do I put a symlink to 
> make that return p57p3 results?

Sorry, yes.  Point taken: not a devnode.

Andrew.
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Re: [389-users] How to tell when database backup has finished?

2012-04-11 Thread Rich Megginson

On 04/10/2012 11:46 PM, MATON Brett wrote:


Thanks for the suggestions.

  For the record, status 32 was an error on my part, I hadn’t quoted 
the bind DN so ldapsearch was actually complaining about the bind DN 
not being found, not the backup task.


  Noriko, I’ve searched “cn=backup,cn=tasks,cn=config” and can’t find 
nstaskstatus anywhere.  I’m assuming that it also gets deleted once 
the task is complete...



cn=backup,cn=tasks,cn=config is the parent entry for all backup task 
entries.  When you create an entry under this parent, it starts the 
backup task.   It is the backup task entry that has the nsTaskStatus 
attribute, not the parent entry "cn=backup,cn=tasks,cn=config".  When 
the backup task is complete, and the ttl is expired, the backup task 
entry is automatically removed.



Hi Rich,  I appreciate your clarification.  I did however mean that I 
was searching “cn=backup,cn=tasks,cn=config” with no additional 
filters which should have returned everything, nsTaskStatus included 
for any backup job?


Exactly what search parameters (e.g. ldapsearch command line 
arguments) did you use?


  I might just be having a dumb moment but I couldn’t think of an 
efficient way to check the error log for a Backup Finished entry, 
anyone with suggestions?



The best way is to do the ldapsearch as described above.


  I’m still having issues, $taskDN for example would be something like 
cn=backup_2012_4_5_13_36_23, cn=backup, cn=tasks, cn=config



COUNT=1

while [ ${COUNT} -ne 0 ]; do

#

#  OOPS:  -b ${taskDN}

# -b "cn=backup,cn=tasks,cn=config" "cn="

#

COUNT=$(ldapsearch -x -H ${HOST} -D "${BINDAS}" -y ${PWFILE} 
-b "cn=backup,cn=tasks,cn=config" "(${taskDN})" dn | grep -c '^dn')


so this would expand to something like
COUNT=$(ldapsearch -x -H ldap.example.com -D "cn=directory manager" -y 
pwfile.txt -b "cn=backup,cn=tasks,cn=config" 
"(cn=backup_2012_4_5_13_36_23, cn=backup, cn=tasks, cn=config)" dn | 
grep -c '^dn')


This is incorrect in the following ways:
1) the argument to -H must be a valid LDAP URL - so -H 
ldap://ldap.example.com   $HOST is just a variable name, it’s actually 
the URL
2) "(cn=backup_2012_4_5_13_36_23, cn=backup, cn=tasks, cn=config)" is 
not a valid LDAP search filter - if you want to search for the backup 
entry, do one of the following
a) ldapsearch ... -s base -b "cn=backup_2012_4_5_13_36_23, cn=backup, 
cn=tasks, cn=config" ...

or
b) ldapsearch ... -b "cn=backup, cn=tasks, cn=config" 
"(cn=backup_2012_4_5_13_36_23)" ...


OK, search terms corrected.

The command expands to and returns this:

ldapsearch -x -H ldaps://:636 -D "cn=Directory Manager" -y 
/root/.389ds-pw -s base -b "cn=backup_2012_4_11_7_28_40, cn=backup, 
cn=tasks, cn=config"


# extended LDIF

#

# LDAPv3

# base  
with scope baseObject


# filter: (objectclass=*)

# requesting: ALL

#

# search result

search: 2

result: 32 No such object

# numResponses: 1


I tweaked the db2bak.pl script to include ttl: 600 as I wanted some 
time to examine the backup task entry and search results:


...

$dn = "dn: cn=$taskname, cn=backup, cn=tasks, cn=config\n";

$misc = "changetype: add\nobjectclass: top\nobjectclass: 
extensibleObject\n*ttl: 600\n*";


$cn = "cn: $taskname\n";
...

The entry gets added, but still disappears near instantaneously 
(db2bak.pl called standalone for output):


Back up directory: 
/var/lib/dirsrv/slapd-/bak/-2012_4_11_7_42_4


ldap_initialize(  )

add objectclass:

top

extensibleObject

add ttl:

600

add cn:

backup_2012_4_11_7_42_4

add nsArchiveDir:

/var/lib/dirsrv/slapd-/bak/-2012_4_11_7_42_4

add nsDatabaseType:

ldbm database

adding new entry "cn=backup_2012_4_11_7_42_4, cn=backup, cn=tasks, 
cn=config"


modify complete

As you can see from the ls output below, tar is still being called 
before the task has completed:


[root@ backup]# ls -ltr

-rw-r--r--. 1 root   root 6788 Apr 11 07:28 20120411072840-.tgz

drwx--. 5 nobody nobody   4096 Apr 11 07:28 20120411072840-

Thanks for your time


ok - I'd like you to try two more things:
1) alter your search parameters - do this instead:
ldapsearch -x -H ldaps://:636 -D "cn=Directory Manager" -y 
/root/.389ds-pw -b "cn=backup, cn=tasks, cn=config"

do you see anything?
2) can you confirm using the errors log (manually, not automated with a 
script) that your backup task was started successfully and completes 
successfully?  Just to be sure that it is indeed being started and 
finishing correctly


if [ ${COUNT} -ne 0 ]; then

sleep 5s

fi

done

tar czf ${BACKUPPATH}${BKTSTAMP}-${INSTANCE}.tgz -C / ${DSBACKUPDIR#/*}

However the tar file is incomplete, because (assumption) the backup 
has not finished writing to disk before tar starts


  For the time being I’ve settled on two scripts, one to start backups 
and another to archive yesterdays (or older) backups.  Not ideal but 
workable


Thanks again,

Brett

*From:*38

Re: Login on Fedora 17

2012-04-11 Thread Mark Haney

On 04/11/2012 09:08 AM, Lawrence Graves wrote:

Just want to ask one question. What is Fedora 17 looking for when it
boots up and ask for localhost login. Everything I have tried has
failed. Please help.
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I'm assuming you are using the latest RC of F17? Sounds to me like you 
didn't name the system you installed it on, so it defaulted to 
'localhost'.  When you installed, did it not ask to add a new user 
account?


Have you tried logging in with root?


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Re: Login on Fedora 17

2012-04-11 Thread Germán A. Racca

On 04/11/2012 10:20 AM, Lawrence Graves wrote:

I am sorry. Some of the what I wrote got cut off. I was talking about
Fedora 17 Beta RC4 release.

On 04/11/2012 07:13 AM, Frank Murphy wrote:

On 11/04/12 14:08, Lawrence Graves wrote:

Just want to ask one question. What is Fedora 17


No idea,
didn't know it was released.




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What Frank means is that you should ask your question to the devel list 
(de...@lists.fedoraproject.org) because F17 was not released yet :)


Germán.

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Re: Login on Fedora 17

2012-04-11 Thread Lawrence Graves
Yes to all of your questions. It did not ask for a new user account. I 
did it in a virtual machine. VMware Workstation 8


On 04/11/2012 07:29 AM, Mark Haney wrote:

On 04/11/2012 09:08 AM, Lawrence Graves wrote:

Just want to ask one question. What is Fedora 17 looking for when it
boots up and ask for localhost login. Everything I have tried has
failed. Please help.
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I'm assuming you are using the latest RC of F17? Sounds to me like you 
didn't name the system you installed it on, so it defaulted to 
'localhost'.  When you installed, did it not ask to add a new user 
account?


Have you tried logging in with root?




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Re: Login on Fedora 17

2012-04-11 Thread Terry Polzin
On Wed, 2012-04-11 at 09:29 -0400, Mark Haney wrote:
> On 04/11/2012 09:08 AM, Lawrence Graves wrote:
> > Just want to ask one question. What is Fedora 17 looking for when it
> > boots up and ask for localhost login. Everything I have tried has
> > failed. Please help.
> > --
> > Lawrence Graves All things are workable but don't all things work.
> >
> >
> 
> I'm assuming you are using the latest RC of F17? Sounds to me like you 
> didn't name the system you installed it on, so it defaulted to 
> 'localhost'.  When you installed, did it not ask to add a new user 
> account?
> 
> Have you tried logging in with root?
> 
> 
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GUI login? Echo other comment about setting up a mortal user during
install or first boot.  Have you tried to login an root via CLI?
(ctrl-alt-f2)

But really questions for F17 should be directed at the test list. F17
isn't prime time yet.

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Re: Login on Fedora 17

2012-04-11 Thread Lawrence Graves



On 04/11/2012 07:32 AM, "Germán A. Racca" wrote:

On 04/11/2012 10:20 AM, Lawrence Graves wrote:

I am sorry. Some of the what I wrote got cut off. I was talking about
Fedora 17 Beta RC4 release.

On 04/11/2012 07:13 AM, Frank Murphy wrote:

On 11/04/12 14:08, Lawrence Graves wrote:

Just want to ask one question. What is Fedora 17


No idea,
didn't know it was released.




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What Frank means is that you should ask your question to the devel 
list (de...@lists.fedoraproject.org) because F17 was not released yet :)


Germán.


Didn't know they had such a list. Will submit to them from now on. Thanks.
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Re: Login on Fedora 17

2012-04-11 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 10:08, Lawrence Graves  wrote:
> Just want to ask one question. What is Fedora 17 looking for when it boots
> up and ask for localhost login. Everything I have tried has failed. Please
> help.

Must be an encrypted partition?
btw: I think this list is not for F17 questions. ;-P
FC
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Re: Login on Fedora 17

2012-04-11 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 09:34:57AM -0400, Terry Polzin wrote:
> On Wed, 2012-04-11 at 09:29 -0400, Mark Haney wrote:
> > On 04/11/2012 09:08 AM, Lawrence Graves wrote:
> > > Just want to ask one question. What is Fedora 17 looking for when it
> > > boots up and ask for localhost login. Everything I have tried has
> > > failed. Please help.
> > > --
> > > Lawrence Graves All things are workable but don't all things work.
> > >
> > >
> > 
> > I'm assuming you are using the latest RC of F17? Sounds to me like you 
> > didn't name the system you installed it on, so it defaulted to 
> > 'localhost'.  When you installed, did it not ask to add a new user 
> > account?
> > 
> > Have you tried logging in with root?
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > 
> > Mark Haney
> > Software Developer/Consultant
> > AB Emblem
> > ma...@abemblem.com
> > Linux marius.homelinux 3.3.0-8.fc16.x86_64 GNU/Linux
> 
> GUI login? Echo other comment about setting up a mortal user during
> install or first boot.  Have you tried to login an root via CLI?
> (ctrl-alt-f2)
> 
> But really questions for F17 should be directed at the test list. F17
> isn't prime time yet.

Looking past the number '17' in the question -- this is a very general
question common to all Fedora releases.  When you see "localhost
login:" on the screen, you either don't have a graphical environment
installed, or the graphical X Window System failed to start.  If that
happened, it's likely that firstboot, the graphical helper that lets
you set up a user account, didn't run, so you may not be able to log
in as a standard user.

You can still login at this prompt with your 'root' account and
password.  From that point, you can look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see
what happened that caused your X Window System to fail.  If you want
to post that for people here to look at and offer advice, please
*don't* attach the file to your email.  It will probably be too big
and your message won't come through.  Instead, post it somewhere like
http://fpaste.org and send a link to your paste here.

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Re: Login on Fedora 17

2012-04-11 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 10:32:34 -0300, GAR (Germán) wrote:

> On 04/11/2012 10:20 AM, Lawrence Graves wrote:
> > I am sorry. Some of the what I wrote got cut off. I was talking about
> > Fedora 17 Beta RC4 release.
> >
> > On 04/11/2012 07:13 AM, Frank Murphy wrote:
> >> On 11/04/12 14:08, Lawrence Graves wrote:
> >>> Just want to ask one question. What is Fedora 17
> >>
> >> No idea,
> >> didn't know it was released.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > --
> > Lawrence Graves All things are workable but don't all things work.
> >
> >
> 
> What Frank means is that you should ask your question to the devel list 
> (de...@lists.fedoraproject.org) because F17 was not released yet :)
> 
> Germán.
>

test list actually, because devel list is for general development
discussion related to Fedora, and test list is for test releases
(including Rawhide):
 
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/
 -> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
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Re: [389-users] need help on replication

2012-04-11 Thread Rich Megginson

On 04/11/2012 07:40 AM, G, Rajendra Babu (STSD) wrote:


Hi,

We have noticed two problems in the multiimaster replication 
environment of *389-1.2.0 code base*. Can you please provide any 
insight on these issues.


*_Problem 1:_*

*__*

When the replica is modified (role change from HUB to Supplier), the 
replica id is updated from 65535 to newly given replica id in the 
dse.ldif file. But the RUV entry in the db/memory still having the old 
replica id  (i.e 65535 ) instead of newly provided replica id .This 
caused the problem of supplier and consumer still having the old 
replica ID.


The reproducer details are given below:

1.  Create the Supplier instance

2.  From admin GUI , check "Enable Changelog" of Supplier Settings

3.  Specify the location of update history log in "Replication Changelog"

4.  Check "Enables Replica" of Replica Settings

5. Select "Hub" in Replica Role and click Save  ---> 
nsDS5ReplicaId:65535 is added in dse.ldif file.   // this is expected


6.  Select "Single Master" in Replica Role and specify 13089 in 
ReplicaID box, and click Save. ---> nsDS5ReplicaId:13089 is added in 
dse.ldif file. // this is expected


7.  Create the Consumer instance

8.  Create the entry for Supplier DN (cn=replication manager,cn=config)

9.  Specify the entry created at step #2 above for Supplier DN box in 
replication configuration.


10.  Select "Dedicated Consumer" as the replica role, and click Save  
---> nsDS5ReplicaId:65535 is added in dse.ldif file.  //  this is expected


11.  Create replication agreement between Supplier and Consumer.

12.  Initialize the Consumer in Supplier.

13.  Search the replication infromation (RUV) in Supplier  ---> no 
replica ID hit//  This is normal


14.  Search the replication information (RUV) in Consumer  ---> no 
replica ID hit//  This is normal


15.  Add an entry for Supplier

16.  Search the replication information (RUV) in Supplier  ---> 
replica ID:65535 is hit   // This is NOT normal. The replica id 13089 
should be hit because of the step #6 above


  // This as if the memory content is not change while dse.ldif is 
changed.


17.  Search the replication information (RUV) in Consumer  ---> 
replica ID:65535 is hit  // This is NOT normal.   // 13089 should be 
hit because of the step #6 above


   // This as if the memory content is not change while dse.ldif is 
changed.



Not sure if this has been fixed post-1.2.0.  If not, please file a ticket.


*_Problem2:_*

*__*

In the above setup we have noticed below issue also.

When we perform a MOD operation on supplier, Multiple MOD operations 
are logged in the access log  for same modify operation (i.e single 
operation).  For instance, the mod operation for uid=0060628 below was 
requested only once, but multiple MOD entries were logged in access 
log. And also modification update from Supplier to Consumer is taking 
around 10 min.


 [02/Apr/2012:22:56:24 +0900] conn=84924065 op=68 MOD

  dn="uid=0060628,ou=people,dc=,dc=xxx,dc=xxx"

 [02/Apr/2012:22:56:24 +0900] conn=84924065 op=72 MOD

  dn="uid=0060628,ou=people,dc=xxx,dc=xxx,dc=xxx"

 [02/Apr/2012:23:07:53 +0900] conn=84925508 op=1951 MOD

  dn="uid=0060628,ou=people,dc=xxx,dc=xxx,dc=xxx"

 [02/Apr/2012:23:07:53 +0900] conn=84925508 op=2314 MOD

  dn="uid=0060628,ou=people,dc=xxx,dc=xxx,dc=xxx"

 [02/Apr/2012:23:18:23 +0900] conn=84927516 op=69 MOD

  dn="uid=0060628,ou=people,dc=xxx,dc=xxx,dc=xxx"

 [02/Apr/2012:23:18:23 +0900] conn=84927516 op=73 MOD

  dn="uid=0060628,ou=people,dc=xxx,dc=xxx,dc=xxx"


What are the CSNs for these operations?


Thanks in Advance,

Best Regards,

Rajendra



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Re: Login on Fedora 17

2012-04-11 Thread Mark Haney

On 04/11/2012 10:34 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote:



You can still login at this prompt with your 'root' account and
password.  From that point, you can look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see
what happened that caused your X Window System to fail.  If you want
to post that for people here to look at and offer advice, please
*don't* attach the file to your email.  It will probably be too big
and your message won't come through.  Instead, post it somewhere like
http://fpaste.org and send a link to your paste here.




That's true it is a fairly generic question, however, the OP did state 
he'd tried to login with root and failed.  Sounds to me like X wasn't 
the only thing that is having issues.


Although it could be the password he used.  I noticed one time that the 
password I was using simply wouldn't work on the initial install of 
Fedora no matter how many times I installed it.  It did work however 
after changing it once I got it installed.




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Re: Starting postgres at boot time [SOLVED]

2012-04-11 Thread Emilio Lopez
> Hello,
>
> I usually start postgresql database by running
>
> root@fedora>su postgres -c "postgres -D /home/postgres &"
>
> I'm trying to do it automatically at boot time, so I added that line
> to /etc/rc.d/rc.local. However database doesn't start.
>
> Any Ideas?

I found the problem. It was Selinux. I also found the right way to
start postgres in a custom data directory:

1. Configure data directory in /etc/rc.d/init.d/postgres
2. service postgres initdb
3. service postgres start
4. chkconfig postgres on
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~/.mc/ini

2012-04-11 Thread Fernando Cassia
short and to the point:

For the life of me I can't seem to find where the Midnight Commander
config is stored...
.mc is not there anymore under /home/username ??

Help please, I've got no more hair to pull... ;)
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Re: ~/.mc/ini

2012-04-11 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 12:43:02 -0300, FC (Fernando) wrote:

> short and to the point:
> 
> For the life of me I can't seem to find where the Midnight Commander
> config is stored...
> .mc is not there anymore under /home/username ??
> 
> Help please, I've got no more hair to pull... ;)
> FC

~/.config/mc/
plus
~/.local/share/mc/
for other files.

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Re: ~/.mc/ini

2012-04-11 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 12:49, Michael Schwendt  wrote:
> ~/.config/mc/
> plus
> ~/.local/share/mc/
> for other files.

Thanks!. I' m curious as to when did this change happen? (surely wasnt
there in FC6 when I started with Fedora).

I guess the rationale was to stop the pollution in the home dir?

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Re: ~/.mc/ini

2012-04-11 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 12:51:43 -0300, FC (Fernando) wrote:

> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 12:49, Michael Schwendt  wrote:
> > ~/.config/mc/
> > plus
> > ~/.local/share/mc/
> > for other files.
> 
> Thanks!. I' m curious as to when did this change happen? (surely wasnt
> there in FC6 when I started with Fedora).
> 
> I guess the rationale was to stop the pollution in the home dir?

/usr/share/doc/mc-4.8.1/NEWS
mentions it. ;-)

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SELinux preventing login (Fedora 16)

2012-04-11 Thread Braden McDaniel
I have a Fedora 16 box where something seems to have gone sideways with
SELinux.  I am unable to log into the box with SELinux enabled.  I see
messages in /var/log/messages that look like this:

Apr 11 02:40:06 rail setroubleshoot: SELinux is preventing 
/usr/libexec/accounts-daemon from name_connect access on the tcp_socket . For 
complete SELinux messages. run sealert -l aeded892-dec1-4e6d-87ce-7c10a4e42e2b
Apr 11 02:40:06 rail setroubleshoot: SELinux is preventing 
/usr/libexec/accounts-daemon from name_connect access on the tcp_socket . For 
complete SELinux messages. run sealert -l aeded892-dec1-4e6d-87ce-7c10a4e42e2b
Apr 11 02:40:07 rail setroubleshoot: SELinux is preventing 
/usr/libexec/accounts-daemon from name_connect access on the tcp_socket . For 
complete SELinux messages. run sealert -l aeded892-dec1-4e6d-87ce-7c10a4e42e2b
Apr 11 02:40:10 rail setroubleshoot: SELinux is preventing 
/usr/libexec/accounts-daemon from name_connect access on the tcp_socket . For 
complete SELinux messages. run sealert -l aeded892-dec1-4e6d-87ce-7c10a4e42e2b
Apr 11 02:40:26 rail setroubleshoot: SELinux is preventing 
/usr/libexec/accounts-daemon from name_connect access on the tcp_socket . For 
complete SELinux messages. run sealert -l aeded892-dec1-4e6d-87ce-7c10a4e42e2b
Apr 11 02:40:58 rail setroubleshoot: SELinux is preventing 
/usr/libexec/accounts-daemon from name_connect access on the tcp_socket . For 
complete SELinux messages. run sealert -l aeded892-dec1-4e6d-87ce-7c10a4e42e2b
Apr 11 02:42:02 rail setroubleshoot: SELinux is preventing 
/usr/libexec/accounts-daemon from name_connect access on the tcp_socket . For 
complete SELinux messages. run sealert -l aeded892-dec1-4e6d-87ce-7c10a4e42e2b
Apr 11 02:42:02 rail setroubleshoot: SELinux is preventing 
/usr/libexec/accounts-daemon from name_connect access on the tcp_socket . For 
complete SELinux messages. run sealert -l aeded892-dec1-4e6d-87ce-7c10a4e42e2b
Apr 11 02:42:02 rail setroubleshoot: SELinux is preventing 
/usr/libexec/accounts-daemon from name_connect access on the tcp_socket . For 
complete SELinux messages. run sealert -l aeded892-dec1-4e6d-87ce-7c10a4e42e2b
Apr 11 02:42:06 rail setroubleshoot: SELinux is preventing 
/usr/libexec/accounts-daemon from name_connect access on the tcp_socket . For 
complete SELinux messages. run sealert -l aeded892-dec1-4e6d-87ce-7c10a4e42e2b
Apr 11 02:42:14 rail setroubleshoot: SELinux is preventing 
/usr/libexec/accounts-daemon from name_connect access on the tcp_socket . For 
complete SELinux messages. run sealert -l aeded892-dec1-4e6d-87ce-7c10a4e42e2b
Apr 11 02:42:30 rail setroubleshoot: SELinux is preventing 
/usr/libexec/accounts-daemon from name_connect access on the tcp_socket . For 
complete SELinux messages. run sealert -l aeded892-dec1-4e6d-87ce-7c10a4e42e2b
Apr 11 02:43:02 rail setroubleshoot: SELinux is preventing 
/usr/libexec/accounts-daemon from name_connect access on the tcp_socket . For 
complete SELinux messages. run sealert -l aeded892-dec1-4e6d-87ce-7c10a4e42e2b

I tried doing a full relabel; but that had no noticeable effect.  If I
boot to single user mode and disable SELinux (via /etc/selinux/config),
I'm able to log in and things appear to be functional.  Well, with the
caveat that the suggestion in the message to run sealert yields this:

# sealert -l aeded892-dec1-4e6d-87ce-7c10a4e42e2b
Opps, sealert hit an error!

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/bin/sealert", line 668, in 
proxy_obj = bus.get_object(dbus_system_bus_name, 
dbus_system_object_path)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/dbus/bus.py", line 244, in 
get_object
follow_name_owner_changes=follow_name_owner_changes)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/dbus/proxies.py", line 241, in 
__init__
self._named_service = conn.activate_name_owner(bus_name)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/dbus/bus.py", line 183, in 
activate_name_owner
self.start_service_by_name(bus_name)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/dbus/bus.py", line 281, in 
start_service_by_name
'su', (bus_name, flags)))
  File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/dbus/connection.py", line 630, 
in call_blocking
message, timeout)
DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ChildExited: Launch 
helper exited with unknown return code 3

Any idea what happened here and how I might actually fix it?

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Re: ~/.mc/ini

2012-04-11 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2012-04-11 at 12:51 -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 12:49, Michael Schwendt  wrote:
> > ~/.config/mc/
> > plus
> > ~/.local/share/mc/
> > for other files.
> 
> Thanks!. I' m curious as to when did this change happen? (surely wasnt
> there in FC6 when I started with Fedora).
> 
> I guess the rationale was to stop the pollution in the home dir?

Presumably it's to follow the Free Desktop standard. See for example
http://standards.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/latest/ar01s03.html

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Re: ~/.mc/ini

2012-04-11 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 13:19, Patrick O'Callaghan
 wrote:
> poc

Thanks Patrick.!

FC
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Re: Login on Fedora 17

2012-04-11 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2012-04-11 at 07:08 -0600, Lawrence Graves wrote:
> Just want to ask one question. What is Fedora 17 looking for when it 
> boots up and ask for localhost login. Everything I have tried has 
> failed. Please help.

Once again, F17 is an unreleased system so please keep it to the Test
list, not here. If you follow this list you'll have seen a recent thread
on exactly this point.

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Re: SELinux preventing login (Fedora 16)

2012-04-11 Thread Daniel J Walsh
On 04/11/2012 12:01 PM, Braden McDaniel wrote:
> I have a Fedora 16 box where something seems to have gone sideways with 
> SELinux.  I am unable to log into the box with SELinux enabled.  I see 
> messages in /var/log/messages that look like this:
> 
> Apr 11 02:40:06 rail setroubleshoot: SELinux is preventing
> /usr/libexec/accounts-daemon from name_connect access on the tcp_socket .
> For complete SELinux messages. run sealert -l
> aeded892-dec1-4e6d-87ce-7c10a4e42e2b Apr 11 02:40:06 rail setroubleshoot:
> SELinux is preventing /usr/libexec/accounts-daemon from name_connect access
> on the tcp_socket . For complete SELinux messages. run sealert -l
> aeded892-dec1-4e6d-87ce-7c10a4e42e2b Apr 11 02:40:07 rail setroubleshoot:
> SELinux is preventing /usr/libexec/accounts-daemon from name_connect access
> on the tcp_socket . For complete SELinux messages. run sealert -l
> aeded892-dec1-4e6d-87ce-7c10a4e42e2b Apr 11 02:40:10 rail setroubleshoot:
> SELinux is preventing /usr/libexec/accounts-daemon from name_connect access
> on the tcp_socket . For complete SELinux messages. run sealert -l
> aeded892-dec1-4e6d-87ce-7c10a4e42e2b Apr 11 02:40:26 rail setroubleshoot:
> SELinux is preventing /usr/libexec/accounts-daemon from name_connect access
> on the tcp_socket . For complete SELinux messages. run sealert -l
> aeded892-dec1-4e6d-87ce-7c10a4e42e2b Apr 11 02:40:58 rail setroubleshoot:
> SELinux is preventing /usr/libexec/accounts-daemon from name_connect access
> on the tcp_socket . For complete SELinux messages. run sealert -l
> aeded892-dec1-4e6d-87ce-7c10a4e42e2b Apr 11 02:42:02 rail setroubleshoot:
> SELinux is preventing /usr/libexec/accounts-daemon from name_connect access
> on the tcp_socket . For complete SELinux messages. run sealert -l
> aeded892-dec1-4e6d-87ce-7c10a4e42e2b Apr 11 02:42:02 rail setroubleshoot:
> SELinux is preventing /usr/libexec/accounts-daemon from name_connect access
> on the tcp_socket . For complete SELinux messages. run sealert -l
> aeded892-dec1-4e6d-87ce-7c10a4e42e2b Apr 11 02:42:02 rail setroubleshoot:
> SELinux is preventing /usr/libexec/accounts-daemon from name_connect access
> on the tcp_socket . For complete SELinux messages. run sealert -l
> aeded892-dec1-4e6d-87ce-7c10a4e42e2b Apr 11 02:42:06 rail setroubleshoot:
> SELinux is preventing /usr/libexec/accounts-daemon from name_connect access
> on the tcp_socket . For complete SELinux messages. run sealert -l
> aeded892-dec1-4e6d-87ce-7c10a4e42e2b Apr 11 02:42:14 rail setroubleshoot:
> SELinux is preventing /usr/libexec/accounts-daemon from name_connect access
> on the tcp_socket . For complete SELinux messages. run sealert -l
> aeded892-dec1-4e6d-87ce-7c10a4e42e2b Apr 11 02:42:30 rail setroubleshoot:
> SELinux is preventing /usr/libexec/accounts-daemon from name_connect access
> on the tcp_socket . For complete SELinux messages. run sealert -l
> aeded892-dec1-4e6d-87ce-7c10a4e42e2b Apr 11 02:43:02 rail setroubleshoot:
> SELinux is preventing /usr/libexec/accounts-daemon from name_connect access
> on the tcp_socket . For complete SELinux messages. run sealert -l
> aeded892-dec1-4e6d-87ce-7c10a4e42e2b
> 
> I tried doing a full relabel; but that had no noticeable effect.  If I boot
> to single user mode and disable SELinux (via /etc/selinux/config), I'm able
> to log in and things appear to be functional.  Well, with the caveat that
> the suggestion in the message to run sealert yields this:
> 
> # sealert -l aeded892-dec1-4e6d-87ce-7c10a4e42e2b Opps, sealert hit an
> error!
> 
> Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/sealert", line 668, in
>  proxy_obj = bus.get_object(dbus_system_bus_name,
> dbus_system_object_path) File
> "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/dbus/bus.py", line 244, in get_object 
> follow_name_owner_changes=follow_name_owner_changes) File
> "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/dbus/proxies.py", line 241, in __init__ 
> self._named_service = conn.activate_name_owner(bus_name) File
> "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/dbus/bus.py", line 183, in
> activate_name_owner self.start_service_by_name(bus_name) File
> "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/dbus/bus.py", line 281, in
> start_service_by_name 'su', (bus_name, flags))) File
> "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/dbus/connection.py", line 630, in
> call_blocking message, timeout) DBusException:
> org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ChildExited: Launch helper exited with
> unknown return code 3
> 
> Any idea what happened here and how I might actually fix it?
> 

What does
ausearch -m avc -ts recent
show?
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Re: SELinux preventing login (Fedora 16)

2012-04-11 Thread Braden McDaniel
On Wed, 2012-04-11 at 14:45 -0400, Daniel J Walsh wrote:
> On 04/11/2012 12:01 PM, Braden McDaniel wrote:
> > I have a Fedora 16 box where something seems to have gone sideways with 
> > SELinux.  I am unable to log into the box with SELinux enabled.  I see 
> > messages in /var/log/messages that look like this:
> > 
> > Apr 11 02:40:06 rail setroubleshoot: SELinux is preventing
> > /usr/libexec/accounts-daemon from name_connect access on the tcp_socket .
> > For complete SELinux messages. run sealert -l

[snip]

> > Any idea what happened here and how I might actually fix it?
> > 
> 
> What does
> ausearch -m avc -ts recent
> show?

# ausearch -m avc -ts recent


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Re: SELinux preventing login (Fedora 16)

2012-04-11 Thread Daniel J Walsh
Are you booted with SELinux in permissive mode of disabled?

ausearch -m avc

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Re: SELinux preventing login (Fedora 16)

2012-04-11 Thread Braden McDaniel
On Wed, 2012-04-11 at 15:25 -0400, Daniel J Walsh wrote:
> Are you booted with SELinux in permissive mode of disabled?

I'm booted with it disabled:

# cat /etc/selinux/config | grep disabled
# disabled - No SELinux policy is loaded.
SELINUX=disabled

> ausearch -m avc

That's long; I'll attach it.

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Re: Login on Fedora 17

2012-04-11 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 11:06:50AM -0400, Mark Haney wrote:
> On 04/11/2012 10:34 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote:
> >You can still login at this prompt with your 'root' account and
> >password.  From that point, you can look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see
> >what happened that caused your X Window System to fail.  If you want
> >to post that for people here to look at and offer advice, please
> >*don't* attach the file to your email.  It will probably be too big
> >and your message won't come through.  Instead, post it somewhere like
> >http://fpaste.org and send a link to your paste here.
> 
> That's true it is a fairly generic question, however, the OP did
> state he'd tried to login with root and failed.  Sounds to me like X
> wasn't the only thing that is having issues.
> 
> Although it could be the password he used.  I noticed one time that
> the password I was using simply wouldn't work on the initial install
> of Fedora no matter how many times I installed it.  It did work
> however after changing it once I got it installed.

To the OP: If you'r having trouble with the root password, and you're
sure you typed it correctly -- you can do the following:

1. At the GRUB boot menu, hit Tab to edit the default entry.
2. Go down to the (long, multi-line) entry that starts with "linux"
   and add " 1" (that's a space and then a number 1) to the end.
3. Hit F10 to accept the changes for this session, and boot.
4. At the prompt, type the following command to reset the root
   password:
   passwd
5. You can then type the following command to complete normal startup:
   systemctl isolate default.target

HTH.

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[OT] Re: Login on Fedora 17

2012-04-11 Thread Joe Zeff

On 04/11/2012 09:23 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

Once again, F17 is an unreleased system so please keep it to the Test
list, not here. If you follow this list you'll have seen a recent thread
on exactly this point.


I've been on this list for some time, now, and unless my memory's worse 
than I think it is, we've never[1] had a problem with members posting 
questions here about the next version of Fedora.  Suddenly, there've 
been a whole bunch of posts about F17 and its various betas and RC 
versions.  Not only that, the fact that every time it happens the poster 
is pointed to the proper list doesn't keep it from happening again, and 
not all of the posters doing this are new to the list.  Some of them are 
people I recognize as regulars on this list who should have seen the 
other threads and known where the proper list for their issues was.


I'm not judging any of you who have done this, because I'm not 
interested in arguing about this.  I'm only making an observation and 
wondering why.


[1]Well, hardly ever.
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Changing the login screen background image in F16

2012-04-11 Thread Fernando Cassia
I've looked around and can't find where the Gnome login screen
background image is stored. I want to set it to something different
from the default.

I'm not talking about the desktop wallpaper. as soon as I log-in it's
displayed fine. I'm talking about the background image when the OS
first boots and the Gnome log-in screen is displayed.

All the solutions that came up on Google were for Ubuntu and referred
to an Ubuntu-specific tweak tool. I looked in Gnome-tweak-tool and
couldn't find any option to change this...

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Re: [OT] Re: Login on Fedora 17

2012-04-11 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 17:17, Joe Zeff  wrote:
> I'm not judging any of you who have done this, because I'm not interested in
> arguing about this.  I'm only making an observation and wondering why.

Yes, I remember a thread for instance about how bad it was for "the
next fedora version" to include BTRFS. That'd have been inappropiate
too as the next version "wasn't still released" and thus talking about
it didn't belong on this list. Yet, that thread went on for weeks as
far as I remember.

But let's respect the wishes of the list rules enforcers, please. :)

Life is too short to lose time on mailing list fights. (gosh, I'm
getting too old, I thought I'd never say that ;).

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Re: Changing the login screen background image in F16

2012-04-11 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 17:41, Fernando Cassia  wrote:
> I've looked around and can't find where the Gnome login screen
> background image is stored. I want to set it to something different
> from the default.

Nevermind. I will do it the brute-force way and overwrite the default in
usr/share/backgrounds/verne/default/

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Re: [OT] Re: Login on Fedora 17

2012-04-11 Thread Joe Zeff

On 04/11/2012 01:45 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote:

But let's respect the wishes of the list rules enforcers, please. :)


And in writing that, you've completely ignored the reason people get 
pointed to the test list and insulted those doing the pointing.


The test list is intended for people who are using the next, un-released 
version of Fedora to help one another with issues and find out how to 
get everything working.  All of them are using it, at least part of the 
time and they're familiar with its issues, quirks and shortfalls.  We 
aren't, because the vast majority of us aren't interested in playing 
around with beta versions; we're just interested in getting things done 
so we stick with the currently supported, officially released versions. 
 You don't go to a Linux list to ask Windows questions, so why should 
you go to a list for the production versions of Fedora to ask about a 
beta version?  To me, and probably most of the people reading this, the 
sensible thing to do is to pick a list where the readers are using the 
same version you are, and right now, if you're working with F17, that's 
the test list.


Believe it or not, like it or not, pointing members asking about F17 
toward the test list *is* helping them because it's telling them where 
they can get their questions answered.

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Re: SELinux preventing login (Fedora 16)

2012-04-11 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 03:37:45PM -0400, Braden McDaniel wrote:
> On Wed, 2012-04-11 at 15:25 -0400, Daniel J Walsh wrote:
> > Are you booted with SELinux in permissive mode of disabled?
> 
> I'm booted with it disabled:
> 
> # cat /etc/selinux/config | grep disabled
> # disabled - No SELinux policy is loaded.
> SELINUX=disabled
> 
> > ausearch -m avc
> 
> That's long; I'll attach it.

You might want to try this as root first, after saving your work:

  touch /.autorelabel ; reboot

Running SELinux disabled is unnecessary.  Running in permissive mode
is much better, since it allows you to switch back and forth without
labeling problems.

When you run in disabled mode, SELinux labels aren't written to the
disk when files are created, so when you try to turn SELinux on later,
it results in lots of denial errors.  Permissive mode does pretty much
the same thing as enforcing mode, but any denials are ignored, so
SELinux won't prevent access.


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Re: Changing the login screen background image in F16

2012-04-11 Thread Germán A. Racca

On 04/11/2012 05:53 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote:

On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 17:41, Fernando Cassia  wrote:

I've looked around and can't find where the Gnome login screen
background image is stored. I want to set it to something different
from the default.


Nevermind. I will do it the brute-force way and overwrite the default in
usr/share/backgrounds/verne/default/

FC


Hi Fernando:

Just to complement your own answer, that question is discussed here and 
may be useful:


http://ask.fedoraproject.org/question/452/how-can-i-change-the-background-of-the-gnome-login

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Re: Changing the login screen background image in F16

2012-04-11 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 18:35, "Germán A. Racca"  wrote:
>
> http://ask.fedoraproject.org/question/452/how-can-i-change-the-background-of-the-gnome-login
>
> All the best,
> Germán.

Thanks Germán!. Looks like GDM3setup is the "proper way to do things" answer.
Should be in the Fedora repos, if you ask me. :)
https://github.com/Nano77/various/blob/master/rpm/gdm3setup-2016-1.noarch.rpm

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Re: Changing the login screen background image in F16

2012-04-11 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 18:39, Fernando Cassia  wrote:
> Should be in the Fedora repos, if you ask me. :)
> https://github.com/Nano77/various/blob/master/rpm/gdm3setup-2016-1.noarch.rpm

Seems the file has been updated.
https://github.com/Nano77/various/blob/master/rpm/gdm3setup-20120226-1.noarch.rpm

Still "Nano77" alone doesnt inspire much confidence. Could be anyone
setting up a github account as far as I'm concerned.

I hope some day it will be in the official Fedora repos. Maybe I will
file a RFE...

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Re: Changing the login screen background image in F16

2012-04-11 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 05:53:23PM -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 17:41, Fernando Cassia  wrote:
> > I've looked around and can't find where the Gnome login screen
> > background image is stored. I want to set it to something different
> > from the default.
> 
> Nevermind. I will do it the brute-force way and overwrite the default in
> usr/share/backgrounds/verne/default/

No reason to do that. :-) You can drop a new override file into
/usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas to do this.  Refer to the
org.gnome.desktop.background.fedora.gschema.override file for the
format.  Just drop in a new file with a "later" (alphabetically
speaking) name, such as
org.gnome.desktop.background.zzz.gschema.override.

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Re: [OT] Re: Login on Fedora 17

2012-04-11 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 18:07, Joe Zeff  wrote:
> and insulted those doing the pointing.

Didnt mean to. Don't be overly sensitive Joe.
In the end he will go to the test list which is what everyone wants.

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Re: [OT] Re: Login on Fedora 17

2012-04-11 Thread Joe Zeff

On 04/11/2012 03:02 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote:

Didnt mean to. Don't be overly sensitive Joe.


Just because you didn't mean to be offensive doesn't mean that you 
didn't succeed.  Personally, I wasn't offended, partly because I'm not 
the poster being referred to.  However, I've seen enough people here 
taking offense when none was offered[1] to make me aware how easy it is 
to ruffle some people's feathers by being sarcastic.


[1]An old friend of mine calls that being an "offense thief."
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Re: Login on Fedora 17

2012-04-11 Thread Joel Rees
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 12:06 AM, Mark Haney  wrote:
> On 04/11/2012 10:34 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote:
>
>>
>> You can still login at this prompt with your 'root' account and
>> password.  From that point, you can look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see
>> what happened that caused your X Window System to fail.  If you want
>> to post that for people here to look at and offer advice, please
>> *don't* attach the file to your email.  It will probably be too big
>> and your message won't come through.  Instead, post it somewhere like
>> http://fpaste.org and send a link to your paste here.
>>
>
>
> That's true it is a fairly generic question, however, the OP did state he'd
> tried to login with root and failed.  Sounds to me like X wasn't the only
> thing that is having issues.
>
> Although it could be the password he used.  I noticed one time that the
> password I was using simply wouldn't work on the initial install of Fedora
> no matter how many times I installed it.  It did work however after changing
> it once I got it installed.

Maybe keyboard definition issues?

My hardware tends to be Japanese, and sometimes the difference in key
positions has left me with a root password set assuming US English
layout. Some of the punctuation keys move when the full system boots
and the keyboard definition is correctly set. If I work out what moved
where, I can log in.

But sometimes it's easier to just boot single user and set the
password again. (Don't have all the layouts memorized.)

Lately, I am beginning to doubt the wisdom of always hiding the
password when you're setting it, especially now that proper passwords
are generally understood to be long and convoluted. It would sometimes
be nice to have a "Debug keyboard" or "I've checked, nobody's looking
over my shoulder, and I need to see what I'm typing." button.

Setting up a new system is, statistically speaking, sometimes going to
require some debugging until we can put the WINTEL-pseudo-standard
infected hardware behind us. (And I don't even see Apple trying to do
that, now.)

Of course, you can always try the keys that might have moved --
()[]{}"'=;:+*-_\| and so forth -- where you'd type a user name. You
often have to think in reverse, of course, as in, "I thought I was
typing left-bracket, what would that have been?"

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Re: Login on Fedora 17

2012-04-11 Thread Steven Stern
On 04/11/2012 06:02 PM, Joel Rees wrote:
> Lately, I am beginning to doubt the wisdom of always hiding the
> password when you're setting it, especially now that proper passwords
> are generally understood to be long and convoluted. It would sometimes
> be nice to have a "Debug keyboard" or "I've checked, nobody's looking
> over my shoulder, and I need to see what I'm typing." button.

Yes!

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Re: [OT] Re: Login on Fedora 17

2012-04-11 Thread Joel Rees
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 6:07 AM, Joe Zeff  wrote:
> On 04/11/2012 01:45 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote:
>>
>> But let's respect the wishes of the list rules enforcers, please. :)
>
>
> And in writing that, you've completely ignored the reason people get pointed
> to the test list and insulted those doing the pointing.

He says you've misinterpreted him, which is another communication sin
(in that it doesn't lead to communication) that we are all sometimes
prone to.

And my purpose in pointing this out is to argue in favor of a little
more latitude in general.

> The test list is intended for people who are using the next, un-released
> version of Fedora to help one another with issues and find out how to get
> everything working.

Heh. I tend to like to think of that as more as "debugging" the next
version than "using" it. Which is part of the point I'm going to try
to make.

> All of them are using it, at least part of the time and
> they're familiar with its issues, quirks and shortfalls.

If I'm going to be pedantic, I would say something like, "familiar
with the issues of debugging, and might have seen the quirks, bugs,
and shortfalls."

> We aren't, because
> the vast majority of us aren't interested in playing around with beta
> versions;

Technically speaking, we are playing around with the beta versions of
Enterprise.

> we're just interested in getting things done so we stick with the
> currently supported, officially released versions.

Well, some of us are interested in heads-ups and such.

But this particular question, the issues and work-arounds are not
exactly limited to the test version. In cases where a somewhat
experienced user is deciding to take the next step up and be a noob
with debugging, he or she is going to want to come back here to ask
basic questions from time to time, but the fact that the basic
question came up on a test system is still relevant.

> You don't go to a Linux
> list to ask Windows questions, so why should you go to a list for the
> production versions of Fedora to ask about a beta version?

Heh. If we were doing stand-up comedy here, that would be a great
straight line. I've been itching to say this for several months:

Oh, do you mean to say that we should consider MSWindows the alpha
version of Fedora?

(erk. I really should control myself. If my kids were listening, they
would be making the cold, lonely, desert wind sound now.)

> To me, and
> probably most of the people reading this, the sensible thing to do is to
> pick a list where the readers are using the same version you are, and right
> now, if you're working with F17, that's the test list.

If it were just a test question, I'd agree.

And, of course, he needs to be communicating with the test and devel
lists, so that someone can say, "Oh. Sorry. That was my fault. Grab
the next version of the image in about an hour." or, "Huh? What did I
do? Hang on a minute. In the meantime, can you try typing this here
and see what happens?" or something like that. (I gather that IRC is
often better than the mailing list for that, BTW.)

But when it comes to, "I'm lost! Can someone tell me to turn left or
right now in this twisty maze?" kinds of questions, we need to be
willing to pick up the slack here. The devel and test crew don't need
to waste their time suggesting single user mode.

> Believe it or not, like it or not, pointing members asking about F17 toward
> the test list *is* helping them because it's telling them where they can get
> their questions answered.

But arguing about what is appropriate here probably doesn't help
anyone on either list. Probably doesn't vent the real frustrations,
either.

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Re: Login on Fedora 17

2012-04-11 Thread Joe Zeff

On 04/11/2012 04:02 PM, Joel Rees wrote:

Of course, you can always try the keys that might have moved --
()[]{}"'=;:+*-_\| and so forth -- where you'd type a user name. You
often have to think in reverse, of course, as in, "I thought I was
typing left-bracket, what would that have been?"


I don't know if it's practical, but you might be able to print out a 
cheat-sheet showing what character maps to what key, possibly from a 
different computer.  If so, you could use that to get the password in 
correctly that one time.

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Re: [OT] Re: Login on Fedora 17

2012-04-11 Thread Joe Zeff

On 04/11/2012 04:36 PM, Joel Rees wrote:

He says you've misinterpreted him, which is another communication sin
(in that it doesn't lead to communication) that we are all sometimes
prone to.


As I wrote before, I wasn't personally offended by it, but I've seen 
enough people on this list recently being (what I consider) unreasonably 
thin-skinned that I was fairly sure that somebody was going to find it 
offensive.  I also know full well that if the OP was, in fact, trying to 
be insulting he wouldn't care when I pointed it out, but if it was 
accidental my comment might be all that was needed to avoid further 
incidents.


And, yes, in this case, the question wasn't F17 specific, just phrased 
that way and in any event, I don't mind the occasional question of that 
nature although I rarely if ever have anything to contribute to such 
discussions.  The whole point of my post, in fact, was to point out that 
we're getting more questions about the next Fedora release than we 
usually do and to wonder why.  Any thoughts about that?

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Re: Changing the login screen background image in F16

2012-04-11 Thread Mike Wohlgemuth

On 04/11/2012 04:41 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote:

I've looked around and can't find where the Gnome login screen
background image is stored. I want to set it to something different
from the default.

I know you've found other answers, but I thought I'd throw this out 
there, too. I've created the following file:


/etc/dconf/db/gdm.d/01-local-settings

and put the following in it:

[org/gnome/desktop/background]
picture-options='zoom'
picture-uri='file:///usr/local/share/backgrounds/MyLocalBackground.jpg'

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Re: Login on Fedora 17

2012-04-11 Thread Joel Rees
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 8:40 AM, Joe Zeff  wrote:
> On 04/11/2012 04:02 PM, Joel Rees wrote:
>>
>> Of course, you can always try the keys that might have moved --
>> ()[]{}"'=;:+*-_\| and so forth -- where you'd type a user name. You
>> often have to think in reverse, of course, as in, "I thought I was
>> typing left-bracket, what would that have been?"
>
>
> I don't know if it's practical, but you might be able to print out a
> cheat-sheet showing what character maps to what key, possibly from a
> different computer.  If so, you could use that to get the password in
> correctly that one time.

Yeah, if I have another Fedora system handy, I can often nose around
in the X11 setings and other places and get the keyboard definitions
up on a screen.

But, since I know which keys tend to move, it's usually just much
faster to type the password in the wrong place. (I didn't say that
very clearly the first time, did I?)

In other words, where the system prompts for the user name/id, type
the password, instead, and see what actually gets typed in.

(Resisting the habit of hitting the enter key will save some time. If
you're doing this sort of thing for remote login, you never want to
hit enter when you've done this, of course.)

(Especially, if you are doing this kind of thing on a web page
password form, don't hit enter with the password in the user field. If
you do, you want to be able to clear the browser's memory of what you
typed in, or your password becomes visible to a lot of people.)

Or, when someone might be watching, just type the parts that might
have moved. (That would usually be just certain punctuation keys.) Or
type a few characters at a time. You usually don't have to type the
whole password to figure out which keys got moved, or even just see
that keys got moved, so you know you want to fix the password.

If you're not familiar with which keys moved, then, yeah, you may want
to have another system handy for checking what keys are supposed to be
where in the default keyboard map. The first few times take a bit of
effort, which is why it's often quicker to just boot single and fix
the password.

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Re: [OT] Re: Login on Fedora 17

2012-04-11 Thread Joel Rees
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 8:50 AM, Joe Zeff  wrote:
> On 04/11/2012 04:36 PM, Joel Rees wrote:
>>
>> He says you've misinterpreted him, which is another communication sin
>> (in that it doesn't lead to communication) that we are all sometimes
>> prone to.
>
>
> As I wrote before, I wasn't personally offended by it,

Yeah, I was thinking I maybe should have put a "I'm not talking to
you, Jeff." at the top.

> but I've seen enough
> people on this list recently being (what I consider) unreasonably
> thin-skinned that I was fairly sure that somebody was going to find it
> offensive.  I also know full well that if the OP was, in fact, trying to be
> insulting he wouldn't care when I pointed it out, but if it was accidental
> my comment might be all that was needed to avoid further incidents.

The danger with sarcasm. Heh. (I'm NEVER sarcastic, right?)

> And, yes, in this case, the question wasn't F17 specific, just phrased that
> way and in any event, I don't mind the occasional question of that nature
> although I rarely if ever have anything to contribute to such discussions.
>  The whole point of my post, in fact, was to point out that we're getting
> more questions about the next Fedora release than we usually do and to
> wonder why.  Any thoughts about that?

Well, we could use the positive mental attitude approach and assume
that more of the users are getting the courage up to go help test?

(Which is a good thing. Wish I had time and hardware.)

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Re: [OT] Re: Login on Fedora 17

2012-04-11 Thread Joel Rees
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 8:50 AM, Joe Zeff  wrote:
> On 04/11/2012 04:36 PM, Joel Rees wrote:
>>
>> He says you've misinterpreted him, which is another communication sin
>> (in that it doesn't lead to communication) that we are all sometimes
>> prone to.
>
>
> As I wrote before, I wasn't personally offended by it,

Yeah, I was thinking I maybe should put a "I'm not talking to you,
Jeff." at the top.

> but I've seen enough
> people on this list recently being (what I consider) unreasonably
> thin-skinned that I was fairly sure that somebody was going to find it
> offensive.  I also know full well that if the OP was, in fact, trying to be
> insulting he wouldn't care when I pointed it out, but if it was accidental
> my comment might be all that was needed to avoid further incidents.

The danger with sarcasm. Heh.

> And, yes, in this case, the question wasn't F17 specific, just phrased that
> way and in any event, I don't mind the occasional question of that nature
> although I rarely if ever have anything to contribute to such discussions.
>  The whole point of my post, in fact, was to point out that we're getting
> more questions about the next Fedora release than we usually do and to
> wonder why.  Any thoughts about that?

Well, I could use the positive mental attitude approach and assume
that more of the users are getting the courage up to go help test?

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Re: [OT] Re: Login on Fedora 17

2012-04-11 Thread Joe Zeff

On 04/11/2012 05:48 PM, Joel Rees wrote:

Yeah, I was thinking I maybe should have put a "I'm not talking to
you, Jeff." at the top.


And if you had, I'd have asked you who you were talking to, because my 
name isn't "Jeff."

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Re: SELinux preventing login (Fedora 16)

2012-04-11 Thread Braden McDaniel
On Wed, 2012-04-11 at 17:27 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 03:37:45PM -0400, Braden McDaniel wrote:
> > On Wed, 2012-04-11 at 15:25 -0400, Daniel J Walsh wrote:
> > > Are you booted with SELinux in permissive mode of disabled?
> > 
> > I'm booted with it disabled:
> > 
> > # cat /etc/selinux/config | grep disabled
> > # disabled - No SELinux policy is loaded.
> > SELINUX=disabled
> > 
> > > ausearch -m avc
> > 
> > That's long; I'll attach it.
> 
> You might want to try this as root first, after saving your work:
> 
>   touch /.autorelabel ; reboot

I did that previously; but it didn't seem to help. (Perhaps because I
still had SELinux disabled when I did it?)

> Running SELinux disabled is unnecessary.  Running in permissive mode
> is much better, since it allows you to switch back and forth without
> labeling problems.
> 
> When you run in disabled mode, SELinux labels aren't written to the
> disk when files are created, so when you try to turn SELinux on later,
> it results in lots of denial errors.  Permissive mode does pretty much
> the same thing as enforcing mode, but any denials are ignored, so
> SELinux won't prevent access.

That's likely how I got myself into this.  I had disabled it while
attempting to troubleshoot something else.  I probably installed and/or
updated some packages before I remembered to turn it back on.

So I changed to "permissive" and did the autorelabel thing again.  This
time I was able to zero in on some messages that were likely pertinent;
and the SELinux troubleshooter suggested:

setsebool -P authlogin_nsswitch_use_ldap 1

I'll continue to run "permissive" for a little while longer and see if
that fixes it.

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How to copy text selected by gpm from a tty to some gnome-session?

2012-04-11 Thread Joachim Backes
Hi,

a little question: I copy some text on a tty console by gpm, and I want
to paste this text into some gnome/kde session. How to do this without
using some file?

Kind regards

Joachim Backes 

http://www.rhrk.uni-kl.de/~backes



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