Re: Random kernel update breakage

[Gilboa Davara]

On Tue, 2010-08-24 at 22:29 -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
> Every once in a while, something breaks when a kernel update gets installed. 
> It doesn't happen every time, I'd say that once in every thirty or so kernel 
> updates, grub fails to come up after a subsequent reboot.
> 
> This is just a minor annoyance -- I'd have to boot the install CD in rescue 
> mode, let it mount Fedora on /mnt/sysimage, chroot to it, and execute 
> /sbin/grub-install -- but I'm wondering if anyone else is seeing this.
> 
> This just happened again -- after installing 2.6.33.8-149.fc13, rebooting my 
> laptop only results in a black screen, with a BIOS cursor uselessly blinking 
> away in the top-left corner. Whip out the rescue CD, and now a few minutes 
> later I'm back in business.
> 
> But then, I updated a different server to 2.6.33.8-149.fc13, and it booted 
> the new kernel just fine. Previously, this same server got similarly 
> de-grubbed by an earlier kernel update, but the laptop had no issues being 
> updated to the same kernel.
> 

I can't say that it -ever- happened to me (and I'm running Fedora since
F1 on multiple workstations)

This, of-course, doesn't invalidate your report.

Can you find some commonality between the two (?) effected machines?

- Gilboa

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Re: GDM and XDMCP

[JB]

JB  gmail.com> writes:

> 
> Steve Blackwell  cfl.rr.com> writes:
> 
> > ... 
> > "GDM 2.20 and earlier supported the ability to...and the ability to run
> > the XDMCP chooser from the login screen. These features were not added
> > back during the 2.22 rewrite."
> > 
> > So there is no XDMCP chooser on the GDM login screen (which explains
> > why I couldn't find it) but the way this is written implies that you can
> > run the XDMCP chooser from somewhere else. Perhaps from a terminal
> > window? Does anyone know if this is possible and if so how?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Steve
> > 
> Hi,
> an overview/solutions to this problem:
> http://www.peppertop.com/blog/?p=690
> PLease read all 4 parts.
> JB
> 
Hi,
some follow-up.

XDMCP:
http://www.softpanorama.org/Xwindows/xdmcp.shtml

man XDM:
http://www.xfree86.org/current/xdm.1.html#sect7
Please note that xdm is the most generic version of X display manager.
Look at these (there is Xaccess as well):
XDMCP ACCESS CONTROL
CHOOSER

For GDM:
Xaccess in /etc/X11/gdm/Xaccess

For GDM:
[...@localhost ~]$ ls -al /usr/libexec/gdm*chooser*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root  53412 Apr 28 00:38 /usr/libexec/gdm-host-chooser
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root  63088 Apr 28 00:38 /usr/libexec/gdm-simple-chooser
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 108504 Apr 28 00:38 /usr/libexec/gdm-xdmcp-chooser-slave

JB


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Re: Random kernel update breakage

[Michael Schwendt]

On Tue, 24 Aug 2010 22:29:54 -0400, Sam wrote:

> Every once in a while, something breaks when a kernel update gets installed. 
> It doesn't happen every time, I'd say that once in every thirty or so kernel 
> updates, grub fails to come up after a subsequent reboot.
> 
> This is just a minor annoyance -- I'd have to boot the install CD in rescue 
> mode, let it mount Fedora on /mnt/sysimage, chroot to it, and execute 
> /sbin/grub-install -- but I'm wondering if anyone else is seeing this.

Yes, other people have seen it, too. Years ago already.

There used to be an old open bugzilla ticket about it. Cannot find it on
the overview page at http://bugz.fedoraproject.org
Could be that it has been closed because of no progress and the low
signal/noise ratio.

For many it isn't reproducible at all. The kernel packages don't rewrite
the boot loader, but just modify the grub.conf file. Via /sbin/new-kernel-pkg
and grubby.

And from those, who are hit by it occasionally, nobody attempts at
debugging it or collecting all the info. Dunno whether the root cause of
the problem is known by anyone.

Did you save a copy of the broken(?) GRUB in the MBR? (Would restoring
just the MRB instead of using grub-install would have fixed it already?)
Did you try to press keys early to enter GRUB menu and prevent it
from booting? Or did it fail to load much earlier?
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gmail Video chat for fedora?

[L]

Hi,

Google recently announced the availability of GMail Video Chat for
linux!, Unfortunately the sad part is that the released only for
Ubuntu and Debian based systems!
So the thing is we have a .deb. Is there a way we could get the .rpm
for installation? anyone have this convert to rpm?

thanks

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F13 kernel update mystery

[Frank Elsner]

Hello,

I've 2 machines running Fedora 13, both with kernel 2.6.33.6-147.2.4.fc13.i686.

When I did a "yum check-update" yesterday evening only one machine offered an 
update to the new new kernel 2.6.33.8-149.fc13.i686.


What's behind? Different repos used by yum?


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Re: Random kernel update breakage

[Sam Varshavchik]

Gilboa Davara writes:


On Tue, 2010-08-24 at 22:29 -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
Every once in a while, something breaks when a kernel update gets installed. 
It doesn't happen every time, I'd say that once in every thirty or so kernel 
updates, grub fails to come up after a subsequent reboot.


This is just a minor annoyance -- I'd have to boot the install CD in rescue 
mode, let it mount Fedora on /mnt/sysimage, chroot to it, and execute 
/sbin/grub-install -- but I'm wondering if anyone else is seeing this.


This just happened again -- after installing 2.6.33.8-149.fc13, rebooting my 
laptop only results in a black screen, with a BIOS cursor uselessly blinking 
away in the top-left corner. Whip out the rescue CD, and now a few minutes 
later I'm back in business.


But then, I updated a different server to 2.6.33.8-149.fc13, and it booted 
the new kernel just fine. Previously, this same server got similarly 
de-grubbed by an earlier kernel update, but the laptop had no issues being 
updated to the same kernel.




I can't say that it -ever- happened to me (and I'm running Fedora since
F1 on multiple workstations)

This, of-course, doesn't invalidate your report.

Can you find some commonality between the two (?) effected machines?


Absolutely nothing in common. One is an i686 laptop, the other one is a 
dual-Opteron server.




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Re: Error reading pen drive

[Parshwa Murdia]

On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 7:13 AM, Tim  wrote:


> And I would agree with Bill saying most Windows users don't think.  It's
> used by a huge number of people, who have no damn idea about computing,
> treating it like some magic box.
>


Yes that is correct. Though Linux is more powerful and secured but still the
fact is that (untill now), majority of the people (>50%) use Windows,
because of its easy GUI structure and we should promote the use of open
source Fedora!
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Re: gmail Video chat for fedora?

[Jatin K]

On Wednesday 25 August 2010 03:08 PM, L wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Google recently announced the availability of GMail Video Chat for
> linux!, Unfortunately the sad part is that the released only for
> Ubuntu and Debian based systems!
> So the thing is we have a .deb. Is there a way we could get the .rpm
> for installation? anyone have this convert to rpm?
>
> thanks
>
> Y
>
Hey L

have a look at this[1]

[1] http://www.linuxdocs.org/HOWTOs/RPM-for-Unix-HOWTO-8.html


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Re: Random kernel update breakage

[Sam Varshavchik]

Michael Schwendt writes:


On Tue, 24 Aug 2010 22:29:54 -0400, Sam wrote:

Every once in a while, something breaks when a kernel update gets installed. 
It doesn't happen every time, I'd say that once in every thirty or so kernel 
updates, grub fails to come up after a subsequent reboot.


This is just a minor annoyance -- I'd have to boot the install CD in rescue 
mode, let it mount Fedora on /mnt/sysimage, chroot to it, and execute 
/sbin/grub-install -- but I'm wondering if anyone else is seeing this.


Yes, other people have seen it, too. Years ago already.

There used to be an old open bugzilla ticket about it. Cannot find it on
the overview page at http://bugz.fedoraproject.org
Could be that it has been closed because of no progress and the low
signal/noise ratio.

For many it isn't reproducible at all. The kernel packages don't rewrite
the boot loader, but just modify the grub.conf file. Via /sbin/new-kernel-pkg
and grubby.

And from those, who are hit by it occasionally, nobody attempts at
debugging it or collecting all the info. Dunno whether the root cause of
the problem is known by anyone.


I think that's because nobody really knows how to debug it. At least I 
don't, for example. The boot process is an obscure bit of knowledge.



Did you save a copy of the broken(?) GRUB in the MBR? (Would restoring
just the MRB instead of using grub-install would have fixed it already?)
Did you try to press keys early to enter GRUB menu and prevent it
from booting? Or did it fail to load much earlier?


If I knew how to save the broken MBR then I would've done it. The boot 
process does not get as far as the grub menu, that is the only fact that I 
can state with 100% confidence. All my machines are configured to display 
the grub menu, with a 5 second default timeout. When this happens, I never 
get as far as the grub menu.


I'm not sure that it's the MBR itself that gets trashed, or at least not 
always. One time the machine started beeping the console bell constantly. 
Another time I ended up staring at "GRUB" in white-on-black. This time, I 
just ended up at an empty, blank, text console screen.


If there are instructions, somewhere, for saving not just the MBR, but 
everything that gets touched by /sbin/grub-install (since it's always what 
fixes things), then I'll be sure to collect and save it the next time this 
happens.




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Re: gmail Video chat for fedora?

[suvayu ali]

On 25 August 2010 04:07, Jatin K  wrote:
> On Wednesday 25 August 2010 03:08 PM, L wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Google recently announced the availability of GMail Video Chat for
>> linux!, Unfortunately the sad part is that the released only for
>> Ubuntu and Debian based systems!
>> So the thing is we have a .deb. Is there a way we could get the .rpm
>> for installation? anyone have this convert to rpm?
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> Y
>>
> Hey L
>
> have a look at this[1]
>
> [1] http://www.linuxdocs.org/HOWTOs/RPM-for-Unix-HOWTO-8.html
>

Some other options:

1. Wait - 
http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2010/08/use-linux-now-you-can-video-chat-too.html
2. Use pidgin
3. Use empathy

Both pidgin and empathy has supported audio/video chat for a little
under a year now.

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Re: F13 kernel update mystery

[Stephen Gallagher]

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On 08/25/2010 06:16 AM, Frank Elsner wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I've 2 machines running Fedora 13, both with kernel 
> 2.6.33.6-147.2.4.fc13.i686.
> 
> When I did a "yum check-update" yesterday evening only one machine offered an 
> update to the new new kernel 2.6.33.8-149.fc13.i686.
> 
> 
> What's behind? Different repos used by yum?
> 
> 
> --Frank Elsner

Most likely one has a yum cache that isn't yet expired (i.e. you last
checked the repos more recently on one than the other).

I'd recommend doing 'yum clean all' and then try again.

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Re: F13 kernel update mystery

[Hiisi]

2010/8/25 Stephen Gallagher :
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>
> On 08/25/2010 06:16 AM, Frank Elsner wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I've 2 machines running Fedora 13, both with kernel 
>> 2.6.33.6-147.2.4.fc13.i686.
>>
>> When I did a "yum check-update" yesterday evening only one machine offered an
>> update to the new new kernel 2.6.33.8-149.fc13.i686.
>>
>>
>> What's behind? Different repos used by yum?
>>
>>
>> --Frank Elsner
>
> Most likely one has a yum cache that isn't yet expired (i.e. you last
> checked the repos more recently on one than the other).
>
> I'd recommend doing 'yum clean all' and then try again.
>
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I wouldn't dare to suggest using 'yum clean all' on this list. It's
nearly the same big mistake as posting in html.
Seriously, do one need to clean all in this situation or clean
metadata should be enough?
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Re: Random kernel update breakage

[Jon Ingason]

2010-08-25 13:10, Sam Varshavchik skrev:
> Michael Schwendt writes:

>
> If there are instructions, somewhere, for saving not just the MBR, but
> everything that gets touched by /sbin/grub-install (since it's always
> what fixes things), then I'll be sure to collect and save it the next
> time this happens.
>

You find how to save (and restore) MBR in following URL:

http://www.partimage.org/Partimage-manual_Backup-partition-table

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Re: Random kernel update breakage

[Michael Schwendt]

On Wed, 25 Aug 2010 07:10:11 -0400, Sam wrote:

> > And from those, who are hit by it occasionally, nobody attempts at
> > debugging it or collecting all the info. Dunno whether the root cause of
> > the problem is known by anyone.
> 
> I think that's because nobody really knows how to debug it. At least I 
> don't, for example. The boot process is an obscure bit of knowledge.

Okay, but collecting details, which _might_ be important, would still be
possible. Such as do you use Hibernate, Suspend, partition resizing tools,
special backup software to restore from backups, fs checks that corrected
hard errors? Perhaps you've applied BIOS updates some time before the
kernel update?

> If I knew how to save the broken MBR then I would've done it.

dd if=/dev/sda of=mbr.bin bs=512 count=1

for example will include the partition table. With bs=446, the partition
table would not be included.

My theory is that if the MBR is unmodified when the problem is encountered,
something may have moved GRUB's stage* files in a way it couldn't find
them anymore in their previous location. Then it would load and execute
unexpected garbage. Since the boot record doesn't contain the extfs support,
it doesn't understand filesystems before it loads its missing parts.

If you run into the problem regularly, you could also save the "stat" 
output for GRUB's /boot/grub/stage* files in its working state and
compare with when it no longer works.
 
> I'm not sure that it's the MBR itself that gets trashed, or at least not 
> always. One time the machine started beeping the console bell constantly. 
> Another time I ended up staring at "GRUB" in white-on-black. This time, I 
> just ended up at an empty, blank, text console screen.

Might be evidence of executing "random" data found on the harddisk
where it expected its modules.
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Re: [389-users] Outlook VLV index and western europe diacritics

[Andrey Ivanov]

2010/8/25 Rich Megginson 

> Andrey Ivanov wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I  am  testing  the  389 latest git version. There is one thing i have
>> noticed  concerning Outlook browsing of LDAP and VLV indexes. Though i
>> think  the  change  has  happened already some time ago, in one of the
>> previous versions.
>>
>>
> Can you confirm the last version that this worked in?  I suspect this had
> something to do with my matching rule changes in 1.2.6.  The goal is that it
> should work the same way as before, so this is definitely a bug.

No. It is not a bug, it was my mistake.  I've just tested  several versions
of 389 and FDS (1.2.x, 1.1.x and 1.0.4). They all exhibit the same behavior
concerning the sorting of CNs in VLV browsing.

So then i still have this second question - is there a way to change the vlv
index sort in order to sort according to nsMatchingRule? Or it would be a
feature request?

*)  i've tried to add collation rules to vlv index entries but putting  the
  value   of   the  attribute  vlvSort  to
"cn:2.16.840.1.113730.3.3.2.18.1.6"   or  to  "cn:fr". It   does  not  work.
Instead of changing the sorting order it produces some strange  contents in
the index vlv#outlookbrowseindex.db4 file.

**)  then  i  thought that maybe i should change the cn index ordering and i
have added "nsMatchingRule: 2.16.840.1.113730.3.3.2.18.1" to the cn  indexes
 in  dse.ldif. However reindexing does not  actually change the  order in
cn.db4  (even  after  reindexing by smth explicit like db2index -n userRoot
-t cn:eq,pres,sub:2.16.840.1.113730.3.3.2.18.1 ) in the index .db4 files.
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Re: F13 kernel update mystery

[Stephen Gallagher]

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> 2010/8/25 Stephen Gallagher :
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>> On 08/25/2010 06:16 AM, Frank Elsner wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I've 2 machines running Fedora 13, both with kernel 
>>> 2.6.33.6-147.2.4.fc13.i686.
>>>
>>> When I did a "yum check-update" yesterday evening only one machine offered 
>>> an
>>> update to the new new kernel 2.6.33.8-149.fc13.i686.
>>>
>>>
>>> What's behind? Different repos used by yum?
>>>
>>>
>>> --Frank Elsner
>>
>> Most likely one has a yum cache that isn't yet expired (i.e. you last
>> checked the repos more recently on one than the other).
>>
>> I'd recommend doing 'yum clean all' and then try again.
>>
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> 
> I wouldn't dare to suggest using 'yum clean all' on this list. It's
> nearly the same big mistake as posting in html.
> Seriously, do one need to clean all in this situation or clean
> metadata should be enough?


Sorry, my yum-fu isn't that strong. I just recommended the quickest
option to guarantee that it would be cleaned :)

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Re: gmail Video chat for fedora?

[Zoltan Hoppar]

Hi,

This is an experimental rpm - there was several problems around postinstall
scripts - use it REALLY carefully.
http://borzsonynet.hu/linux/LSfKDE3/google-talkplugin-1.4.1.0-2.i386.rpm

However I still prefer free softwares like pidgin, and Empathy.

Cheers,

Zoltan

2010/8/25 Jatin K 

> On Wednesday 25 August 2010 03:08 PM, L wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Google recently announced the availability of GMail Video Chat for
> > linux!, Unfortunately the sad part is that the released only for
> > Ubuntu and Debian based systems!
> > So the thing is we have a .deb. Is there a way we could get the .rpm
> > for installation? anyone have this convert to rpm?
> >
> > thanks
> >
> > Y
> >
> Hey L
>
> have a look at this[1]
>
> [1] http://www.linuxdocs.org/HOWTOs/RPM-for-Unix-HOWTO-8.html
>
>
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No VLC snapshot -

[Bob Goodwin]

I was quite pleased when I found vlc could take a snapshot from a
video stream. Yesterday I found it no longer works and I recalled a
recent vlc yum update. From the log file:

Aug 23 07:30:47 Updated: vlc-core-1.1.3-1.fc13.i686
Aug 23 07:31:02 Updated: vlc-1.1.3-1.fc13.i686A

[Up to date F-13 Linux box9 2.6.33.8-149.fc13.i686.PAE #1 SMP
Tue Aug 17 22:39:27 UTC 2010 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux]


Has anyone else observed this problem or is it just me?

Bob

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Re: gmail Video chat for fedora?

[mike cloaked]

On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 10:38 AM, L  wrote:

> Google recently announced the availability of GMail Video Chat for
> linux!, Unfortunately the sad part is that the released only for
> Ubuntu and Debian based systems!
> So the thing is we have a .deb. Is there a way we could get the .rpm
> for installation? anyone have this convert to rpm?

The small thread at
http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/chat/thread?tid=3965cb970991179c&hl=en
suggests that waiting a few weeks might get an rpm (or install from
the google repo via yum)...

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Re: gmail Video chat for fedora?

[mike cloaked]

On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 2:36 PM, mike cloaked  wrote:

> The small thread at
> http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/chat/thread?tid=3965cb970991179c&hl=en
> suggests that waiting a few weeks might get an rpm (or install from
> the google repo via yum)...
>

Maybe monitor 
http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/chat/thread?tid=10ffe01c3a4779f5&hl=en
as well?


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Re: Should reverse zones be mirrored?

[Renich Bon Ciric]

On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht
 wrote:
> Yes, you will need to put each class C network in a separate zone file.
> The above example would need 4 more reverse zone files (in addition to
> the 10.x one in the example).
>
> The one thing that may not have been explained well enough up to this
> point, is you can only advertise the reverse zone if whoever gave you
> the IP addresses did in fact give you administrative control of the
> whole Class C (or larger) network that they are on.  Eg. if your
> ISP/service-provider assinged you the whole Class C, they will also need
> to take care delegating the in-addr.arpa dns address space to you.  That
> is who the rest of the world knows to ask your nameservers for the dns
> data.  If your service provider only gave you control of one IP address
> on each network, then they are going to want to keep contol of the zone
> file.  In that case they will be the ones to add your hostname to their
> reverse-dns zone file or have some other method of dealing with the
> issue.  There are some hacks to delagate on smaller than a Class C
> boundary.  You will have to ask them how they handle the delagation.

This helps me a lot. Thank you, very much, Wolfgang! ;)
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Re: Random kernel update breakage

[Tom Killian]

On Tue, 24 Aug 2010 22:29:54 -0400 Sam Varshavchik wrote:
>
>Every once in a while, something breaks when a kernel update gets installed.
>It doesn't happen every time, I'd say that once in every thirty or so kernel
>updates, grub fails to come up after a subsequent reboot.
>
>This is just a minor annoyance -- I'd have to boot the install CD in rescue
>mode, let it mount Fedora on /mnt/sysimage, chroot to it, and execute
>/sbin/grub-install -- but I'm wondering if anyone else is seeing this.

I have seen this quite often following the first kernel update after a
Fedora version update.  I.e., the machine boots fine after the version
update, but needs re-grubbing after 'yum update'.
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Re: gmail Video chat for fedora?

[Steven Stern]

On 08/25/2010 06:23 AM, suvayu ali wrote:
> On 25 August 2010 04:07, Jatin K  wrote:
>> On Wednesday 25 August 2010 03:08 PM, L wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Google recently announced the availability of GMail Video Chat for
>>> linux!, Unfortunately the sad part is that the released only for
>>> Ubuntu and Debian based systems!
>>> So the thing is we have a .deb. Is there a way we could get the .rpm
>>> for installation? anyone have this convert to rpm?
>>>
>>> thanks
>>>
>>> Y
>>>
>> Hey L
>>
>> have a look at this[1]
>>
>> [1] http://www.linuxdocs.org/HOWTOs/RPM-for-Unix-HOWTO-8.html
>>
> 
> Some other options:
> 
> 1. Wait - 
> http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2010/08/use-linux-now-you-can-video-chat-too.html
> 2. Use pidgin
> 3. Use empathy
> 
> Both pidgin and empathy has supported audio/video chat for a little
> under a year now.
> 

How do you do it with Empathy?  I see nothing in the preferences
relating to video.


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Re: F13 kernel update mystery

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Wed, 2010-08-25 at 08:20 -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> On 08/25/2010 07:38 AM, Hiisi wrote:
> > 2010/8/25 Stephen Gallagher :
> >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> >> Hash: SHA1
> >>
> >> On 08/25/2010 06:16 AM, Frank Elsner wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hello,
> >>>
> >>> I've 2 machines running Fedora 13, both with kernel 
> >>> 2.6.33.6-147.2.4.fc13.i686.
> >>>
> >>> When I did a "yum check-update" yesterday evening only one machine 
> >>> offered an
> >>> update to the new new kernel 2.6.33.8-149.fc13.i686.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> What's behind? Different repos used by yum?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --Frank Elsner
> >>
> >> Most likely one has a yum cache that isn't yet expired (i.e. you last
> >> checked the repos more recently on one than the other).
> >>
> >> I'd recommend doing 'yum clean all' and then try again.
> >>
> >> - --
> >> Stephen Gallagher
> >> RHCE 804006346421761
> >>
> > 
> > I wouldn't dare to suggest using 'yum clean all' on this list. It's
> > nearly the same big mistake as posting in html.
> > Seriously, do one need to clean all in this situation or clean
> > metadata should be enough?
> 
> 
> Sorry, my yum-fu isn't that strong. I just recommended the quickest
> option to guarantee that it would be cleaned :)

If it comes to that, "yum clean metadata" is quicker since it doesn't
touch the packages. AFAIK the only reason to use "clean all" is to
recover disk space.

poc

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Re: Random kernel update breakage

[Steve Blackwell]

On Wed, 25 Aug 2010 11:14:48 +0300
Gilboa Davara  wrote:

> On Tue, 2010-08-24 at 22:29 -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
> > Every once in a while, something breaks when a kernel update gets
> > installed. It doesn't happen every time, I'd say that once in every
> > thirty or so kernel updates, grub fails to come up after a
> > subsequent reboot.
> > 
> > This is just a minor annoyance -- I'd have to boot the install CD
> > in rescue mode, let it mount Fedora on /mnt/sysimage, chroot to it,
> > and execute /sbin/grub-install -- but I'm wondering if anyone else
> > is seeing this.
> > 
> > This just happened again -- after installing 2.6.33.8-149.fc13,
> > rebooting my laptop only results in a black screen, with a BIOS
> > cursor uselessly blinking away in the top-left corner. Whip out the
> > rescue CD, and now a few minutes later I'm back in business.
> > 
> > But then, I updated a different server to 2.6.33.8-149.fc13, and it
> > booted the new kernel just fine. Previously, this same server got
> > similarly de-grubbed by an earlier kernel update, but the laptop
> > had no issues being updated to the same kernel.
> > 
I've had this happen to me too. My theory has been that either it has
nothing to do with Fedora at all and it is a BIOS problem or that the
grub device.map file gets reversed somehow. 

In either case, you would have to have 2 disks so
perhaps we can determine if anyone who has seen this problem only has
one disk which would dispel my theory.

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Re: Random kernel update breakage

[Michael Schwendt]

On Wed, 25 Aug 2010 10:25:05 -0400, Steve wrote:

> I've had this happen to me too. My theory has been that either it has
> nothing to do with Fedora at all and it is a BIOS problem or that the
> grub device.map file gets reversed somehow. 

The device.map file isn't needed for booting. Plus, if it changed,
one could not simply run grub-install without updating grub.conf first
(e.g. to exchange hd0 with hd1 or vice versa).
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Re: Random kernel update breakage

[Gilboa Davara]

On Wed, 2010-08-25 at 10:25 -0400, Steve Blackwell wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Aug 2010 11:14:48 +0300
> Gilboa Davara  wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, 2010-08-24 at 22:29 -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
> > > Every once in a while, something breaks when a kernel update gets
> > > installed. It doesn't happen every time, I'd say that once in every
> > > thirty or so kernel updates, grub fails to come up after a
> > > subsequent reboot.
> > > 
> > > This is just a minor annoyance -- I'd have to boot the install CD
> > > in rescue mode, let it mount Fedora on /mnt/sysimage, chroot to it,
> > > and execute /sbin/grub-install -- but I'm wondering if anyone else
> > > is seeing this.
> > > 
> > > This just happened again -- after installing 2.6.33.8-149.fc13,
> > > rebooting my laptop only results in a black screen, with a BIOS
> > > cursor uselessly blinking away in the top-left corner. Whip out the
> > > rescue CD, and now a few minutes later I'm back in business.
> > > 
> > > But then, I updated a different server to 2.6.33.8-149.fc13, and it
> > > booted the new kernel just fine. Previously, this same server got
> > > similarly de-grubbed by an earlier kernel update, but the laptop
> > > had no issues being updated to the same kernel.
> > > 
> I've had this happen to me too. My theory has been that either it has
> nothing to do with Fedora at all and it is a BIOS problem or that the
> grub device.map file gets reversed somehow. 
> 
> In either case, you would have to have 2 disks so
> perhaps we can determine if anyone who has seen this problem only has
> one disk which would dispel my theory.
> 
> Steve

Doubt it.

I've deployed Fedora on machines with large number of drives in
single/software RAID1/hardware RAID5/6, etc.

- Gilboa


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Re: Random kernel update breakage

[Michael Schwendt]

On Wed, 25 Aug 2010 09:48:09 -0400, Tom wrote:

> I have seen this quite often following the first kernel update after a
> Fedora version update.  I.e., the machine boots fine after the version
> update, but needs re-grubbing after 'yum update'.

Have you kept a yum.log for that? Then, for example, one could rule out
that during your special scenario only a kernel was updated and not
also the "grub" package itself.
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Re: Problem when upgrading from F12 to F13

[Frode]

Jim skrev:
>   On 08/20/2010 03:11 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote:
>> On Fri, 20 Aug 2010 20:38:29 +0200, Jon wrote:
>>
>>> OK, I have done "yum upgrade" but after down load of all packages I get
>>> transacton error:
>>>
>>> file /lib64/libdb-4.7.so from install of
>>> compat-db47-4.7.25-15.fc13.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
>>> db4-4.7.25-13.fc12.x86_64
>> There's a much newer db4 in Fedora 13 Updates, which should replace your
>> old one from F12:
>>
>> db4.i686  4.8.30-1.fc13 
>> @updates
>> db4.x86_644.8.30-1.fc13 
>> @updates
>>
>>> file /usr/lib64/nautilus-sendto/plugins/libnstbluetooth.so from
>>> install of gnome-bluetooth-2.30.0-1.fc13.x86_64 conflicts with file from
>>> package nautilus-sendto-2.28.2-2.fc12.x86_64
>> What do you get for "yum list nautilus-sendto"?
>> There's a newer on in Fedora 13 Updates:
>>
>> nautilus-sendto.x86_64   2.28.4-3.fc13   
>> updates
>>
>>> And I am not sure what I should do now. Any comments?
>> Verify your repository configuration and run some yum (or repoquery)
>> queries to show which package versions are available.
> 
> Here is the sequence you do the upgrade.
> 
> 
> 1.  Install the two Fedora-release-fc13 rpm's
> 
> 2.  do "yum clean all"
> 
> 3.  do  "yum upgrade"
> 
> 4.  Reboot
> 
> 5.  and "yum remove kernel-fc12"
> 
> 

Just curious: If I understand correctly, you don't use preupgrade. What 
are the pros/cons of the two methods?

I have previously only used fresh installs, but maybe upgrading could be 
worth a try afterall?

Regards, Frode
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I need a jabber client, like real fast

[Robert Moskowitz]

We are suppose to have a WebEX meeting going, but having problems.  So 
the coordinator told everyone to jump on a jabber session.

I don't know what to use for jabber on my FC12 system.

??


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Re: I need a jabber client, like real fast

[Steven Stern]

On 08/25/2010 10:11 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> We are suppose to have a WebEX meeting going, but having problems.  So 
> the coordinator told everyone to jump on a jabber session.
> 
> I don't know what to use for jabber on my FC12 system.
> 
> ??
> 
> 
You can use Jabber with Pidgin or Empathy.

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Re: gmail Video chat for fedora?

[suvayu ali]

On 25 August 2010 06:59, Steven Stern  wrote:
> On 08/25/2010 06:23 AM, suvayu ali wrote:
>> On 25 August 2010 04:07, Jatin K  wrote:
>>> On Wednesday 25 August 2010 03:08 PM, L wrote:
 Hi,

 Google recently announced the availability of GMail Video Chat for
 linux!, Unfortunately the sad part is that the released only for
 Ubuntu and Debian based systems!
 So the thing is we have a .deb. Is there a way we could get the .rpm
 for installation? anyone have this convert to rpm?

 thanks

 Y

>>> Hey L
>>>
>>> have a look at this[1]
>>>
>>> [1] http://www.linuxdocs.org/HOWTOs/RPM-for-Unix-HOWTO-8.html
>>>
>>
>> Some other options:
>>
>> 1. Wait - 
>> http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2010/08/use-linux-now-you-can-video-chat-too.html
>> 2. Use pidgin
>> 3. Use empathy
>>
>> Both pidgin and empathy has supported audio/video chat for a little
>> under a year now.
>>
>
> How do you do it with Empathy?  I see nothing in the preferences
> relating to video.
>

I personally use pidgin, but the empathy FAQ on gnome.org has this,
http://live.gnome.org/Empathy/FAQ#Audio_and_Video_calls

I would presume (from my pidgin experience) to make a call, you would
probably have to right click a contact and choose whether you want to
make an audio or audio/video call.

Hope this was helpful.

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Re: I need a jabber client, like real fast

[suvayu ali]

On 25 August 2010 08:11, Robert Moskowitz  wrote:
> We are suppose to have a WebEX meeting going, but having problems.  So
> the coordinator told everyone to jump on a jabber session.
>
> I don't know what to use for jabber on my FC12 system.
>
> ??
>

pidgin, empathy ?


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Re: gmail Video chat for fedora?

[Máirín Duffy]

Hi Suyayu & Steven,

> On 25 August 2010 06:59, Steven Stern  wrote:
> > How do you do it with Empathy?  I see nothing in the preferences
> > relating to video.

> On Wed, 2010-08-25 at 08:13 -0700, suvayu ali wrote:
> I personally use pidgin, but the empathy FAQ on gnome.org has this,
> http://live.gnome.org/Empathy/FAQ#Audio_and_Video_calls
> 
> I would presume (from my pidgin experience) to make a call, you would
> probably have to right click a contact and choose whether you want to
> make an audio or audio/video call.
> 
> Hope this was helpful.

You are absolutely right; that's how it works. If you have a contact who
can do video in your buddy list in empathy, they should get a little
webcam icon next to their name. If you right click their name there will
be an option to make an audio call or a video call, your choice. 

FWIW I used Empathy video chat to give a talk at a conference in the UK
from my desk in Boston in Fedora 13 :) So it does work!

http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/07/14/talking-about-inkscape-in-leeds-uk-from-boston-usa-via-empathy/

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Re: I need a jabber client, like real fast

[Máirín Duffy]

On Wed, 2010-08-25 at 11:11 -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> We are suppose to have a WebEX meeting going, but having problems.  So 
> the coordinator told everyone to jump on a jabber session.
> 
> I don't know what to use for jabber on my FC12 system.

Empathy or Pidgin work. I believe in at least one of them they call
jabber 'XMPP' instead of using the word 'jabber'

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Re: I need a jabber client, like real fast

[Rick Stevens]

2010/8/25 Máirín Duffy 

> On Wed, 2010-08-25 at 11:11 -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> > We are suppose to have a WebEX meeting going, but having problems.  So
> > the coordinator told everyone to jump on a jabber session.
> >
> > I don't know what to use for jabber on my FC12 system.
>
> Empathy or Pidgin work. I believe in at least one of them they call
> jabber 'XMPP' instead of using the word 'jabber'
>

Pidgin calls it XMPP.
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Re: F13 kernel update mystery

[Kevin Fenzi]

On Wed, 25 Aug 2010 09:40:12 -0430
Patrick O'Callaghan  wrote:

> If it comes to that, "yum clean metadata" is quicker since it doesn't
> touch the packages. AFAIK the only reason to use "clean all" is to
> recover disk space.

For this case also: 

yum clean expire-cache

should work even better. ;) 

kevin


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[389-users] entryrdn-index error message in error log

[Andrey Ivanov]

Hi,

i'm continuing to test the latest version of 389. Here are the error
messages that i've seen (it happened only once for now) in error log :

[25/Aug/2010:17:21:10 +0200] entryrdn-index - entryrdn_index_read: Param error: 
Failed to convert cn=salon 
d',honneur,ou=objets,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu to Slapi_RDN
[25/Aug/2010:17:21:10 +0200] - dn2entry: Failed to get id for cn=salon 
d',honneur,ou=objets,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu from entryrdn index (34)
[25/Aug/2010:17:21:10 +0200] entryrdn-index - entryrdn_index_read: Param error: 
Failed to convert honneur,ou=objets,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu to Slapi_RDN
[25/Aug/2010:17:21:10 +0200] - dn2entry: Failed to get id for 
honneur,ou=objets,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu from entryrdn index (34)


The object in question is
cn=SALON D'HONNEUR,ou=Objets,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu
departmentNumber: DG/SG/MG/REST
objectClass: top
cn: SALON D'HONNEUR

What is the problem with this entry, conversion to Slapi_DN and entryrdn index? 
Here are the
corresponding entries extracted with dbscan :

5370:cn=salon d'honneur
  ID: 5370; RDN: "cn=SALON D'HONNEUR"; NRDN: "cn=salon d'honneur"

C3106:ou=objets
  ID: 5370; RDN: "cn=SALON D'HONNEUR"; NRDN: "cn=salon d'honneur"

P5370:cn=salon d'honneur
  ID: 3106; RDN: "ou=Objets"; NRDN: "ou=objets"



I have not made any upgrades of the existing server. Instead, i have
exported the ldif by db2ldif and then imported it into the new server,
so there was no conversion phase.


Andrey Ivanov
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Re: I need a jabber client, like real fast

[Robert Moskowitz]

On 08/25/2010 11:27 AM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
> On Wed, 2010-08-25 at 11:11 -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>
>> We are suppose to have a WebEX meeting going, but having problems.  So
>> the coordinator told everyone to jump on a jabber session.
>>
>> I don't know what to use for jabber on my FC12 system.
>>  
> Empathy or Pidgin work. I believe in at least one of them they call
> jabber 'XMPP' instead of using the word 'jabber'

I can't figure out in Empathy how to join jabber.ietf.org to get into 
the core session.


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Re: Fedora 13 on Dell E6410 screen resolution problem

[Greg Woods]

I never have been able to get Fedora 13 to work. There is something
about the recent kernels; I can't get it to work at anywhere near the
resolution it is capable of with either nouveau or the Nvidia
proprietary driver.

I did get Fedora 12 to work. It was a convoluted process. The installer
worked OK using an external monitor. I never could get X to boot
properly after that under nouveau, with either the LCD display or the
external monitor. I got a blank screen on the LCD and a warning from the
monitor that this timing could not be displayed. So what I ended up
doing was booting non-graphically, installing the Nvidia driver, then
starting X. With a bit of fiddling with nvidia-settings, I am *finally*
able to use X at the full LCD resolution (1440x990). 

Using F12 instead of F13 is an acceptable workaround for now, but of
course sooner or later I will need to move forward. I may actually give
the F14 beta a try just to see if it will work. Does anyone know what it
is about the recent kernels? nouveau won't work post-install even with
"nomodeset", and the Nvidia driver will install but fails to initialize
the chip when X is started (I just get an error to that effect in
Xorg.0.log).

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Re: F13 kernel update mystery

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Wed, 2010-08-25 at 09:32 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> On Wed, 25 Aug 2010 09:40:12 -0430
> Patrick O'Callaghan  wrote:
> 
> > If it comes to that, "yum clean metadata" is quicker since it doesn't
> > touch the packages. AFAIK the only reason to use "clean all" is to
> > recover disk space.
> 
> For this case also: 
> 
> yum clean expire-cache
> 
> should work even better. ;) 

In this specific case maybe, assuming of course that cache staleness is
the source of the problem.

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Re: Random kernel update breakage

[JB]

Sam Varshavchik  courier-mta.com> writes:

> 
> Every once in a while, something breaks when a kernel update gets installed. 
> It doesn't happen every time, I'd say that once in every thirty or so kernel 
> updates, grub fails to come up after a subsequent reboot.
> 
> This is just a minor annoyance -- I'd have to boot the install CD in rescue 
> mode, let it mount Fedora on /mnt/sysimage, chroot to it, and execute 
> /sbin/grub-install -- but I'm wondering if anyone else is seeing this.
> 
> This just happened again -- after installing 2.6.33.8-149.fc13, rebooting my 
> laptop only results in a black screen, with a BIOS cursor uselessly blinking 
> away in the top-left corner. Whip out the rescue CD, and now a few minutes 
> later I'm back in business.
> 
> But then, I updated a different server to 2.6.33.8-149.fc13, and it booted 
> the new kernel just fine. Previously, this same server got similarly 
> de-grubbed by an earlier kernel update, but the laptop had no issues being 
> updated to the same kernel.
> 
Hi,
I would like to add something that may be related to it (cause, effect, or
independent thing).

There is a thread started as:
22 Aug 18:24Hoang Legrub menu is automatically skipped
The esence of it is a presumable solution in:
22 Aug 18:34Pawan Sood  grub menu is automatically skipped
followed by its questioning in:
22 Aug 23:38Aaron Konstam   grub menu is automatically skipped
and my investigation of it in:
23 Aug 09:12JB  grub menu is automatically skipped

I tested hibernation at that time.
I noticed randomness in appearance of grub menu during restoration pass from
hibernation (normally, the menu can be seen for a split of a second only;
instead the menu sometimes stopped for a timeout value, if configured, as if
during system Restart).

I thought the problem was related to hibernation only. But soon I discovered
the same random behaviour for regular system Restart as well.

Well, what can you make of it ?

JB


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Error trying to install FC13 from my own repo server

[Robert Moskowitz]

I have done this since FC10 with no problems.

I first downloaded the 5 iso CD images (back in May, only now getting to 
this) to my server.  I checked the sha256 sigs, and they are all good.

via Nautilus, I use Archive Manager to unpack the images to a directory 
on my repo server.

I fix permissions of the directories with:

find . -type d | xargs chmod 755

Now all the directories show up when I look at http:/myserver/fedora/13/os/

I boot with CD 1, and add 'askmethod' in the install, and the install 
proceeds, using stuff from my server.

I got through setting up the partitions how I want and formating them, 
then at the install bootloader screen, I get the error:

Unable to read package metadata from repository.  This may be due to a 
missing repodata directory.  Please ensure that your repository has been 
correctly generated.

Failure:

repodata/60a1afe531cccbb67decbb4904527de1c186f01a5a8613adc4a8a1751aa26545-primary.sqlite.bz2
 
from Uledited_0: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try.

===

So my /os/ directory has:

# ls -ls
total 288
   8 drwxr-xr-x 4 root root   4096 Aug 24 16:05 EFI
  24 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  18363 Aug 24 15:55 GPL
   8 drwxr-xr-x 3 root root   4096 Aug 24 15:57 images
   8 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root   4096 Aug 24 15:57 isolinux
   8 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 95 Aug 24 15:55 media.repo
180 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 176128 Aug 24 16:14 Packages
   8 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root   4096 Aug 24 15:57 repodata
   4 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  0 Aug 24 16:00 RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora
   8 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root   1653 Aug 24 15:55 
RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora-13-primary
   8 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root   3810 Aug 24 15:55 RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora-13-SPARC
   4 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  0 Aug 24 16:00 RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora-i386
   4 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  0 Aug 24 16:00 RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora-sparc
   4 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  0 Aug 24 16:00 RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora-sparc64
   4 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  0 Aug 24 16:00 RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora-x86_64
   8 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root   2452 Aug 24 15:55 TRANS.TBL

and the repodata directory is:

# ls -ls
total 11892
2480 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2530472 Aug 24 15:57 
2784626eab62067b2f24794244aea3434f703857f7796e0a983805fc32413337
  920 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  931636 Aug 24 15:57 
2bc4b6b8b9e1364a07f1a507b173be578623c51ff07eaad71253b562047bae91
  932 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  942458 Aug 24 15:57 
58c9bdc6c740b9cb0be42c076a44b38225637a3138259c8ddecca6dc327f25cf
1788 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1822458 Aug 24 15:57 
60a1afe531cccbb67decbb4904527de1c186f01a5a8613adc4a8a1751aa26545
  932 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  945455 Aug 24 15:57 
95d867aa16a04dea52eaf9a6e906249adcb58a19ece2527f1bb5356353084ee1
2332 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2379681 Aug 24 15:57 
aadb794c42a6496c46aef8269b468d3103bc7dd75ea1efa0b49a173e9b7709ca
  396 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  396764 Aug 24 15:57 
e1153bb33f32f3e13c41fef8cc9d341da5e3df83017ef600b28e513f3cea5453
  396 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  396758 Aug 24 15:57 
f2f52d2357006150e947a070303a05881f97b0b6aac99ccca87357d4ebd3a356
1696 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1726573 Aug 24 15:57 
fce31f091be8211a394d8942fcf4f6cbeffa3d40d87b61af55a97b1a88b46987
   12 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root4127 Aug 24 15:57 repomd.xml
8 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root2874 Aug 24 15:57 TRANS.TBL

=

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Re: I need a jabber client, like real fast

[Robert Moskowitz]

On 08/25/2010 11:39 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> On 08/25/2010 11:27 AM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 2010-08-25 at 11:11 -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>>
>>  
>>> We are suppose to have a WebEX meeting going, but having problems.  So
>>> the coordinator told everyone to jump on a jabber session.
>>>
>>> I don't know what to use for jabber on my FC12 system.
>>>
>>>
>> Empathy or Pidgin work. I believe in at least one of them they call
>> jabber 'XMPP' instead of using the word 'jabber'
>>  
> I can't figure out in Empathy how to join jabber.ietf.org to get into
> the core session.

Well they finally got the WebEX session going, so the crisis is off for 
Jabber, but I had better be ready for the next time.  I installed 
pidgin.  I see from http://www.ietf.org/jabber/ the steps I need to go 
through to get into the IETF 'rooms', so I will get this done over the 
next week.


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Re: [389-users] entryrdn-index error message in error log

[Andrey Ivanov]

AI> i'm continuing to test the latest version of 389. Here are the error
AI> messages that i've seen (it happened only once for now) in error log :

AI> [25/Aug/2010:17:21:10 +0200] entryrdn-index -
AI> entryrdn_index_read: Param error: Failed to convert cn=salon
AI> d',honneur,ou=objets,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu to Slapi_RDN
AI> [25/Aug/2010:17:21:10 +0200] - dn2entry: Failed to get id for
AI> cn=salon d',honneur,ou=objets,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu from 
entryrdn index (34)
AI> [25/Aug/2010:17:21:10 +0200] entryrdn-index -
AI> entryrdn_index_read: Param error: Failed to convert
AI> honneur,ou=objets,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu to Slapi_RDN
AI> [25/Aug/2010:17:21:10 +0200] - dn2entry: Failed to get id for
AI> honneur,ou=objets,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu from entryrdn index (34)


These messages continue to appear, each time for a new entry. All
these entries contain the apostrophe "'":

[25/Aug/2010:18:34:31 +0200] entryrdn-index - entryrdn_index_read: Param error: 
Failed to convert cn=cadre 
d',astreinte,ou=objets,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu to Slapi_RDN
[25/Aug/2010:18:34:31 +0200] - dn2entry: Failed to get id for cn=cadre 
d',astreinte,ou=objets,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu from entryrdn index 
(34)
[25/Aug/2010:18:34:31 +0200] entryrdn-index - entryrdn_index_read: Param error: 
Failed to convert astreinte,ou=objets,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu to Slapi_RDN
[25/Aug/2010:18:34:31 +0200] - dn2entry: Failed to get id for 
astreinte,ou=objets,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu from entryrdn index (34)

...



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[389-users] Incremental Replication over SSL ( and startTLS) with simple bind crashes the latest version

[Andrey Ivanov]

I wanted to configure the replication over SSL (both with SSL
mechanism which was available in previous versions) and by TLS using
simple bind (both in multimaster or single master-dedicated consumer models).

I've tried to configure it with command line and with the console. The
configuration and the initial initialisation are ok :

[25/Aug/2010:18:30:44 +0200] NSMMReplicationPlugin - replica_config_delete: 
Warning: The changelog for replica dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu is no longer 
valid since the replica config is being deleted.  Removing the changelog.
[25/Aug/2010:18:34:33 +0200] NSMMReplicationPlugin - 
multimaster_be_state_change: replica dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu is going 
offline; disabling replication
[25/Aug/2010:18:34:33 +0200] - WARNING: Import is running with 
nsslapd-db-private-import-mem on; No other process is allowed to access the 
database
[25/Aug/2010:18:34:39 +0200] - import userRoot: Workers finished; cleaning up...
[25/Aug/2010:18:34:40 +0200] - import userRoot: Workers cleaned up.
[25/Aug/2010:18:34:40 +0200] - import userRoot: Indexing complete.  
Post-processing...
[25/Aug/2010:18:34:40 +0200] - import userRoot: Flushing caches...
[25/Aug/2010:18:34:40 +0200] - import userRoot: Closing files...
[25/Aug/2010:18:34:40 +0200] - import userRoot: Import complete.  Processed 
9523 entries in 7 seconds. (1360.43 entries/sec)
[25/Aug/2010:18:34:40 +0200] NSMMReplicationPlugin - 
multimaster_be_state_change: replica dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu is coming 
online; enabling replication

But  when i continue and try to make a change on a master the consumer
server  crashes.  So the total replica initialisation is ok but even a
single  incremental  update  crashes the consumer server. And there is
nothing  helpful  in logs. I haven't tried the 1.2.6.rc7 version, i've
tried  the latest code version (as of today). Don't know if it matters
(there  seem  to  be  a  lot  of coverity defects that have been fixed
between rc7 and a1).


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Re: Error trying to install FC13 from my own repo server

[Robert Moskowitz]

On 08/25/2010 12:20 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> I have done this since FC10 with no problems.
>
> I first downloaded the 5 iso CD images (back in May, only now getting to
> this) to my server.  I checked the sha256 sigs, and they are all good.
>

repodata is from: 
http://mirrors.reflected.net/fedora/linux/releases/13/Fedora/i386/iso/Fedora-13-i386-disc1.iso

I looked again, and the date is still back in may. These files have not 
been updated, and Archive manager is just showing the files with the 
numbers, not the full names...

> via Nautilus, I use Archive Manager to unpack the images to a directory
> on my repo server.
>
> I fix permissions of the directories with:
>
> find . -type d | xargs chmod 755
>
> Now all the directories show up when I look at http:/myserver/fedora/13/os/
>
> I boot with CD 1, and add 'askmethod' in the install, and the install
> proceeds, using stuff from my server.
>
> I got through setting up the partitions how I want and formating them,
> then at the install bootloader screen, I get the error:
>
> Unable to read package metadata from repository.  This may be due to a
> missing repodata directory.  Please ensure that your repository has been
> correctly generated.
>
> Failure:
>
> repodata/60a1afe531cccbb67decbb4904527de1c186f01a5a8613adc4a8a1751aa26545-primary.sqlite.bz2
> from Uledited_0: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try.
>
> ===
>
> So my /os/ directory has:
>
> # ls -ls
> total 288
> 8 drwxr-xr-x 4 root root   4096 Aug 24 16:05 EFI
>24 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  18363 Aug 24 15:55 GPL
> 8 drwxr-xr-x 3 root root   4096 Aug 24 15:57 images
> 8 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root   4096 Aug 24 15:57 isolinux
> 8 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 95 Aug 24 15:55 media.repo
> 180 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 176128 Aug 24 16:14 Packages
> 8 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root   4096 Aug 24 15:57 repodata
> 4 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  0 Aug 24 16:00 RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora
> 8 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root   1653 Aug 24 15:55
> RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora-13-primary
> 8 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root   3810 Aug 24 15:55 RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora-13-SPARC
> 4 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  0 Aug 24 16:00 RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora-i386
> 4 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  0 Aug 24 16:00 RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora-sparc
> 4 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  0 Aug 24 16:00 RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora-sparc64
> 4 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  0 Aug 24 16:00 RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora-x86_64
> 8 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root   2452 Aug 24 15:55 TRANS.TBL
>
> and the repodata directory is:
>
> # ls -ls
> total 11892
> 2480 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2530472 Aug 24 15:57
> 2784626eab62067b2f24794244aea3434f703857f7796e0a983805fc32413337
>920 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  931636 Aug 24 15:57
> 2bc4b6b8b9e1364a07f1a507b173be578623c51ff07eaad71253b562047bae91
>932 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  942458 Aug 24 15:57
> 58c9bdc6c740b9cb0be42c076a44b38225637a3138259c8ddecca6dc327f25cf
> 1788 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1822458 Aug 24 15:57
> 60a1afe531cccbb67decbb4904527de1c186f01a5a8613adc4a8a1751aa26545
>932 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  945455 Aug 24 15:57
> 95d867aa16a04dea52eaf9a6e906249adcb58a19ece2527f1bb5356353084ee1
> 2332 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2379681 Aug 24 15:57
> aadb794c42a6496c46aef8269b468d3103bc7dd75ea1efa0b49a173e9b7709ca
>396 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  396764 Aug 24 15:57
> e1153bb33f32f3e13c41fef8cc9d341da5e3df83017ef600b28e513f3cea5453
>396 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  396758 Aug 24 15:57
> f2f52d2357006150e947a070303a05881f97b0b6aac99ccca87357d4ebd3a356
> 1696 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1726573 Aug 24 15:57
> fce31f091be8211a394d8942fcf4f6cbeffa3d40d87b61af55a97b1a88b46987
> 12 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root4127 Aug 24 15:57 repomd.xml
>  8 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root2874 Aug 24 15:57 TRANS.TBL
>
> =
>
> What is the problem?
>
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Re: [389-users] Incremental Replication over SSL ( and startTLS) with simple bind crashes the latest version

[Rich Megginson]

Andrey Ivanov wrote:
> I wanted to configure the replication over SSL (both with SSL
> mechanism which was available in previous versions) and by TLS using
> simple bind (both in multimaster or single master-dedicated consumer models).
>
> I've tried to configure it with command line and with the console. The
> configuration and the initial initialisation are ok :
>
> [25/Aug/2010:18:30:44 +0200] NSMMReplicationPlugin - replica_config_delete: 
> Warning: The changelog for replica dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu is no longer 
> valid since the replica config is being deleted.  Removing the changelog.
> [25/Aug/2010:18:34:33 +0200] NSMMReplicationPlugin - 
> multimaster_be_state_change: replica dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu is going 
> offline; disabling replication
> [25/Aug/2010:18:34:33 +0200] - WARNING: Import is running with 
> nsslapd-db-private-import-mem on; No other process is allowed to access the 
> database
> [25/Aug/2010:18:34:39 +0200] - import userRoot: Workers finished; cleaning 
> up...
> [25/Aug/2010:18:34:40 +0200] - import userRoot: Workers cleaned up.
> [25/Aug/2010:18:34:40 +0200] - import userRoot: Indexing complete.  
> Post-processing...
> [25/Aug/2010:18:34:40 +0200] - import userRoot: Flushing caches...
> [25/Aug/2010:18:34:40 +0200] - import userRoot: Closing files...
> [25/Aug/2010:18:34:40 +0200] - import userRoot: Import complete.  Processed 
> 9523 entries in 7 seconds. (1360.43 entries/sec)
> [25/Aug/2010:18:34:40 +0200] NSMMReplicationPlugin - 
> multimaster_be_state_change: replica dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu is coming 
> online; enabling replication
>
> But  when i continue and try to make a change on a master the consumer
> server  crashes.  So the total replica initialisation is ok but even a
> single  incremental  update  crashes the consumer server. And there is
> nothing  helpful  in logs. I haven't tried the 1.2.6.rc7 version, i've
> tried  the latest code version (as of today). Don't know if it matters
> (there  seem  to  be  a  lot  of coverity defects that have been fixed
> between rc7 and a1).
>   
Can you get a core file and a stack trace?
>
> Andrey Ivanov
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> fax +33-(0)1-69-33-99-55
>
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> 91128 Palaiseau CEDEX
> France
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Re: Error trying to install FC13 from my own repo server

[Robert Moskowitz]

Problem is in Archive Manager. The CD I built from the ISO of CD-1 has 
the correct file names. So I just pulled them off the CD and the install 
is proceeding. Now I have to figure out what is wrong with Archive 
Manager's Extract...

On 08/25/2010 12:52 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> On 08/25/2010 12:20 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>
>> I have done this since FC10 with no problems.
>>
>> I first downloaded the 5 iso CD images (back in May, only now getting to
>> this) to my server.  I checked the sha256 sigs, and they are all good.
>>
>>  
> repodata is from:
> http://mirrors.reflected.net/fedora/linux/releases/13/Fedora/i386/iso/Fedora-13-i386-disc1.iso
>
> I looked again, and the date is still back in may. These files have not
> been updated, and Archive manager is just showing the files with the
> numbers, not the full names...
>
>
>> via Nautilus, I use Archive Manager to unpack the images to a directory
>> on my repo server.
>>
>> I fix permissions of the directories with:
>>
>> find . -type d | xargs chmod 755
>>
>> Now all the directories show up when I look at http:/myserver/fedora/13/os/
>>
>> I boot with CD 1, and add 'askmethod' in the install, and the install
>> proceeds, using stuff from my server.
>>
>> I got through setting up the partitions how I want and formating them,
>> then at the install bootloader screen, I get the error:
>>
>> Unable to read package metadata from repository.  This may be due to a
>> missing repodata directory.  Please ensure that your repository has been
>> correctly generated.
>>
>> Failure:
>>
>> repodata/60a1afe531cccbb67decbb4904527de1c186f01a5a8613adc4a8a1751aa26545-primary.sqlite.bz2
>> from Uledited_0: [Errno 256] No more mirrors to try.
>>
>> ===
>>
>> So my /os/ directory has:
>>
>> # ls -ls
>> total 288
>>  8 drwxr-xr-x 4 root root   4096 Aug 24 16:05 EFI
>> 24 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  18363 Aug 24 15:55 GPL
>>  8 drwxr-xr-x 3 root root   4096 Aug 24 15:57 images
>>  8 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root   4096 Aug 24 15:57 isolinux
>>  8 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 95 Aug 24 15:55 media.repo
>> 180 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 176128 Aug 24 16:14 Packages
>>  8 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root   4096 Aug 24 15:57 repodata
>>  4 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  0 Aug 24 16:00 RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora
>>  8 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root   1653 Aug 24 15:55
>> RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora-13-primary
>>  8 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root   3810 Aug 24 15:55 RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora-13-SPARC
>>  4 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  0 Aug 24 16:00 RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora-i386
>>  4 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  0 Aug 24 16:00 RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora-sparc
>>  4 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  0 Aug 24 16:00 RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora-sparc64
>>  4 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  0 Aug 24 16:00 RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora-x86_64
>>  8 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root   2452 Aug 24 15:55 TRANS.TBL
>>
>> and the repodata directory is:
>>
>> # ls -ls
>> total 11892
>> 2480 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2530472 Aug 24 15:57
>> 2784626eab62067b2f24794244aea3434f703857f7796e0a983805fc32413337
>> 920 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  931636 Aug 24 15:57
>> 2bc4b6b8b9e1364a07f1a507b173be578623c51ff07eaad71253b562047bae91
>> 932 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  942458 Aug 24 15:57
>> 58c9bdc6c740b9cb0be42c076a44b38225637a3138259c8ddecca6dc327f25cf
>> 1788 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1822458 Aug 24 15:57
>> 60a1afe531cccbb67decbb4904527de1c186f01a5a8613adc4a8a1751aa26545
>> 932 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  945455 Aug 24 15:57
>> 95d867aa16a04dea52eaf9a6e906249adcb58a19ece2527f1bb5356353084ee1
>> 2332 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2379681 Aug 24 15:57
>> aadb794c42a6496c46aef8269b468d3103bc7dd75ea1efa0b49a173e9b7709ca
>> 396 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  396764 Aug 24 15:57
>> e1153bb33f32f3e13c41fef8cc9d341da5e3df83017ef600b28e513f3cea5453
>> 396 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  396758 Aug 24 15:57
>> f2f52d2357006150e947a070303a05881f97b0b6aac99ccca87357d4ebd3a356
>> 1696 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1726573 Aug 24 15:57
>> fce31f091be8211a394d8942fcf4f6cbeffa3d40d87b61af55a97b1a88b46987
>>  12 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root4127 Aug 24 15:57 repomd.xml
>>   8 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root2874 Aug 24 15:57 TRANS.TBL
>>
>> =
>>
>> What is the problem?
>>
>>  
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Re: I need a jabber client, like real fast

[Rick Sewill]

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On 08/25/2010 11:30 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> On 08/25/2010 11:39 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>> On 08/25/2010 11:27 AM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 2010-08-25 at 11:11 -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>>>
>>>  
 We are suppose to have a WebEX meeting going, but having problems.  So
 the coordinator told everyone to jump on a jabber session.

 I don't know what to use for jabber on my FC12 system.


>>> Empathy or Pidgin work. I believe in at least one of them they call
>>> jabber 'XMPP' instead of using the word 'jabber'
>>>  
>> I can't figure out in Empathy how to join jabber.ietf.org to get into
>> the core session.
> 

This is neat.  I didn't realize the IETF was using jabber for chats.

I'm using Pidgin because empathy doesn't support O-T-R.
I have a Mac friend who uses O-T-R when talking to me.

If I right click on Pidgin in my Notification Area,
I get the option, "Join Chat..."

A Window pops up, saying "Join a Chat" with
Account...I select one of my Jabber accounts,
such as my Google jabber account.
The Window expands to the following:
Account rsew...@gmail.com/pidgin...
Room:
Server:
Handle: rsewill
Password:

I enter hallway for the room and jabber.ietf.org for the server getting
Account rsew...@gmail.com/pidgin...
Room: hallway
Server: jabber.ietf.org
Handle: rsewill
Password:
I click Join and I am in hallway chat room at jabber.ietf.org.

The following URL describes how to set up google talk chat in Pidgin:
http://google.com/support/chat/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=24073

I learn something new every day.

Thank you!
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Re: [389-users] entryrdn-index error message in error log

[Rich Megginson]

Noriko Hosoi wrote:
>  Hi Andrey,
>
> Looking at this line, ', is not a UTF-8 representation of 
> apostrophe.  Rather a Latin-1 representation?  Also, it contains ',' 
> in the rdn value without an escape.  It's considered a separator 
> between rdns. I wonder who created the input DN...?
>
> entryrdn-index - entryrdn_index_read: Param error: Failed to convert 
> cn=salon d',honneur,ou=objets,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu to 
> Slapi_RDN
>
', looks like some sort of html/xml escape?  
http://www.theukwebdesigncompany.com/articles/entity-escape-characters.php
> Thanks,
> --noriko
>
> On 08/25/2010 08:35 AM, Andrey Ivanov wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> i'm continuing to test the latest version of 389. Here are the error
>> messages that i've seen (it happened only once for now) in error log :
>>
>> [25/Aug/2010:17:21:10 +0200] entryrdn-index - entryrdn_index_read: 
>> Param error: Failed to convert cn=salon 
>> d',honneur,ou=objets,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu to Slapi_RDN
>> [25/Aug/2010:17:21:10 +0200] - dn2entry: Failed to get id for 
>> cn=salon d',honneur,ou=objets,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu from 
>> entryrdn index (34)
>> [25/Aug/2010:17:21:10 +0200] entryrdn-index - entryrdn_index_read: 
>> Param error: Failed to convert 
>> honneur,ou=objets,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu to Slapi_RDN
>> [25/Aug/2010:17:21:10 +0200] - dn2entry: Failed to get id for 
>> honneur,ou=objets,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu from entryrdn index (34)
>>
>>
>> The object in question is
>> cn=SALON D'HONNEUR,ou=Objets,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu
>> departmentNumber: DG/SG/MG/REST
>> objectClass: top
>> cn: SALON D'HONNEUR
>>
>> What is the problem with this entry, conversion to Slapi_DN and 
>> entryrdn index? Here are the
>> corresponding entries extracted with dbscan :
>>
>> 5370:cn=salon d'honneur
>>ID: 5370; RDN: "cn=SALON D'HONNEUR"; NRDN: "cn=salon d'honneur"
>>
>> C3106:ou=objets
>>ID: 5370; RDN: "cn=SALON D'HONNEUR"; NRDN: "cn=salon d'honneur"
>>
>> P5370:cn=salon d'honneur
>>ID: 3106; RDN: "ou=Objets"; NRDN: "ou=objets"
>>
>>
>>
>> I have not made any upgrades of the existing server. Instead, i have
>> exported the ldif by db2ldif and then imported it into the new server,
>> so there was no conversion phase.
>>
>>
>> Andrey Ivanov
>> tel +33-(0)1-69-33-99-24
>> fax +33-(0)1-69-33-99-55
>>
>> Direction des Systemes d'Information
>> Ecole Polytechnique
>> 91128 Palaiseau CEDEX
>> France
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Re: [389-users] entryrdn-index error message in error log

[Andrey Ivanov]

2010/8/25 Noriko Hosoi 

>  Hi Andrey,
>
> Looking at this line, ', is not a UTF-8 representation of apostrophe.
>  Rather a Latin-1 representation?  Also, it contains ',' in the rdn value
> without an escape.  It's considered a separator between rdns. I wonder who
> created the input DN...?

Hi Noriko, i have exported the complete ldif of userRoot database with
db2ldif.pl of our current production server - 1.2.5.rc3 :
db2ldif.pl -D "cn=Backup, cn=config" -w  'some password '-n userRoot -a
/Backup/prod_base_`/bin/date +%Y_%b_%d_%Hh%Mm%Ss`.ldif

The corresponding extract from ldif file is
...
# entry-id: 5405
dn: cn=SALON D'HONNEUR,ou=objets,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu
nsUniqueId: 50a40f2e-251a11de-99ffa90c-effa97ef
modifyTimestamp: 20100129123533Z
modifiersName:
uid=andrey.ivanov,ou=personnel,ou=utilisateurs,dc=id,dc=polytec
 hnique,dc=edu
departmentNumber: DG/SG/MG/REST
telephoneNumber: +33169333703
X-UniqueId: 50a40f2e-251a11de-99ffa90c-effa97ef
ou: ou=rest,ou=mg,ou=sg,ou=dg,ou=organisation,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu
title: SALON D'HONNEUR
objectClass: top
objectClass: X-Object
cn: SALON D'HONNEUR
X-majaxIndex: 17988
creatorsName:
createTimestamp: 20090811160546Z
...

 The error seems to appear only in 1.2.7.a1 version, the 1.2.6.rc7 version
does not show any errors at all concerning this entry...


>
> entryrdn-index - entryrdn_index_read: Param error: Failed to convert
> cn=salon d',honneur,ou=objets,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu to Slapi_RDN
>
> Thanks,
> --noriko
>
>
> On 08/25/2010 08:35 AM, Andrey Ivanov wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> i'm continuing to test the latest version of 389. Here are the error
>> messages that i've seen (it happened only once for now) in error log :
>>
>> [25/Aug/2010:17:21:10 +0200] entryrdn-index - entryrdn_index_read: Param
>> error: Failed to convert cn=salon
>> d',honneur,ou=objets,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu to Slapi_RDN
>> [25/Aug/2010:17:21:10 +0200] - dn2entry: Failed to get id for cn=salon
>> d',honneur,ou=objets,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu from entryrdn index
>> (34)
>> [25/Aug/2010:17:21:10 +0200] entryrdn-index - entryrdn_index_read: Param
>> error: Failed to convert honneur,ou=objets,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu to
>> Slapi_RDN
>> [25/Aug/2010:17:21:10 +0200] - dn2entry: Failed to get id for
>> honneur,ou=objets,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu from entryrdn index (34)
>>
>>
>> The object in question is
>> cn=SALON D'HONNEUR,ou=Objets,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu
>> departmentNumber: DG/SG/MG/REST
>> objectClass: top
>> cn: SALON D'HONNEUR
>>
>> What is the problem with this entry, conversion to Slapi_DN and entryrdn
>> index? Here are the
>> corresponding entries extracted with dbscan :
>>
>> 5370:cn=salon d'honneur
>>   ID: 5370; RDN: "cn=SALON D'HONNEUR"; NRDN: "cn=salon d'honneur"
>>
>> C3106:ou=objets
>>   ID: 5370; RDN: "cn=SALON D'HONNEUR"; NRDN: "cn=salon d'honneur"
>>
>> P5370:cn=salon d'honneur
>>   ID: 3106; RDN: "ou=Objets"; NRDN: "ou=objets"
>>
>>
>>
>> I have not made any upgrades of the existing server. Instead, i have
>> exported the ldif by db2ldif and then imported it into the new server,
>> so there was no conversion phase.
>>
>>
>> Andrey Ivanov
>> tel +33-(0)1-69-33-99-24
>> fax +33-(0)1-69-33-99-55
>>
>> Direction des Systemes d'Information
>> Ecole Polytechnique
>> 91128 Palaiseau CEDEX
>> France
>>
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Re: Fedora Notifications System.

[Mahmoud Abdul Jawad]

On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 12:35 AM, g  wrote:
> On 08/24/2010 06:41 PM, Mahmoud Abdul Jawad wrote:
> 
>
>
> if you read back thru post, you will see that i did post a '+1' to point
> made that i fully agree with and did not see need to write them all
> over again.

i respect your opinions, but, what is said - by you or by other users
-  doesn't help. you are just blowing away the whole idea.

>
> personally, see no benefit of adding something else to desktop that will
> somewhere along the line be a potential problem. especially when desktops,
> ie, kde, are always changing and in changing, breaking.

that's why i didn't create a plasmoid & sent it to the fedora admins.
the idea is a desktop independent application, why? because i'm using
d-bus which is being used be all the desktops.

>
> therefore, to insure that users are notified, notices should be sent thru
> list subscriptions.
>
> i subscribe to user, announce, xen, admin, redhat security, and kde list
> and i am considering subscribing to dev list.
>
> in so doing, i do keep up with most of what is happening and i see no
> reason why notifications can not be cross posted to list to inform one
> and all when needed.
>
> nor do i see any reason that there would be any complaints of such cross
> posting by subscribers of list.
>
> something that you may not have given consideration to, what happens
> when a fedora user has fedora system off for a few days of he is using
> another distribution and is still reading his emails and something
> critical comes up like an exploit that can wipe entire installation as
> soon as he runs a program that has a time delayed bomb in it and this
> bomb is set for while he is out of fedora?
>
> very simple, he loses everything. why, because he was running a distrib
> that was unaware and he did not get notified because notification did not
> come via email.
>
> this to me is a big flaw in a very fine distribution.

great point.

>
> there is nothing wrong with your concept if you not only have a
> notification system and an email notification and ability to disable
> notification system.
>
> another plus would be if notification system was designed to watch for
> emails with a key in them that would trigger notification system to pop
> up a notice on desktop, as long as feature had ability to disable.
>
> another flaw in automatic checking is what would happen if crazies decided
> to run a DoS for url that check is made thru. in so running DoS, they
> intercept and respond with a bogus 'all clear' of send a false 'danger'
> with an update notice. then when user tries to run update, another DoS is
> running against url for updates and another intercept is set up to download
> some form of malware or bomb.
>
> yes, this is a lot of 'what ifs', but what if it was done?
>
> therefore, i still say, *BAD IDEA*. it gains nothing.

it's not because i hate you - i don't even know your name ;) - but i'm
going to continue this, because i think at the end we will know
whether it will be able to solve such problems or not --not now.

>
> in closing, thank you for posting 'text/plain'. now your post will be
> easier to follow and read by others who trap 'text/html'.
>

you are most welcome.

> --
>
> peace out.
>
> tc,hago.
>
> g
> .
>
> 
> in a free world without fences, who needs gates.
> **
> help microsoft stamp out piracy - give linux to a friend today.
> **
> to mess up a linux box, you need to work at it.
> to mess up an ms windows box, you just need to *look* at it.
> **
> learn linux:
> 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html
> 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/
> 'LDP HOWTO-index' http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/HOWTO-INDEX/index.html
> 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/
> 
>
>

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Re: Fwd: RE: linux drivers for Realtek RTL8192E??

[Konstantin Svist]

  On 08/08/2010 08:51 PM, Dave Stevens wrote:
> Hello group,
>
> this just in. No, I haven't tried it yet, too many beers just now.
> Will let everyone know. If the attachment doesn't come through pleas
> email me directly and I'll forward.
>
> Cheers!
>
> Dave
>


I just tried the drivers you sent over - they seem to work well


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Re: [389-users] Incremental Replication over SSL ( and startTLS) with simple bind crashes the latest version

[Andrey Ivanov]

2010/8/25 Rich Megginson 

> Andrey Ivanov wrote:
>
>> I wanted to configure the replication over SSL (both with SSL
>> mechanism which was available in previous versions) and by TLS using
>> simple bind (both in multimaster or single master-dedicated consumer
>> models).
>>
>> I've tried to configure it with command line and with the console. The
>> configuration and the initial initialisation are ok :
>>
>> [25/Aug/2010:18:30:44 +0200] NSMMReplicationPlugin -
>> replica_config_delete: Warning: The changelog for replica
>> dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu is no longer valid since the replica config is
>> being deleted.  Removing the changelog.
>> [25/Aug/2010:18:34:33 +0200] NSMMReplicationPlugin -
>> multimaster_be_state_change: replica dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu is going
>> offline; disabling replication
>> [25/Aug/2010:18:34:33 +0200] - WARNING: Import is running with
>> nsslapd-db-private-import-mem on; No other process is allowed to access the
>> database
>> [25/Aug/2010:18:34:39 +0200] - import userRoot: Workers finished; cleaning
>> up...
>> [25/Aug/2010:18:34:40 +0200] - import userRoot: Workers cleaned up.
>> [25/Aug/2010:18:34:40 +0200] - import userRoot: Indexing complete.
>>  Post-processing...
>> [25/Aug/2010:18:34:40 +0200] - import userRoot: Flushing caches...
>> [25/Aug/2010:18:34:40 +0200] - import userRoot: Closing files...
>> [25/Aug/2010:18:34:40 +0200] - import userRoot: Import complete.
>>  Processed 9523 entries in 7 seconds. (1360.43 entries/sec)
>> [25/Aug/2010:18:34:40 +0200] NSMMReplicationPlugin -
>> multimaster_be_state_change: replica dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu is coming
>> online; enabling replication
>>
>> But  when i continue and try to make a change on a master the consumer
>> server  crashes.  So the total replica initialisation is ok but even a
>> single  incremental  update  crashes the consumer server. And there is
>> nothing  helpful  in logs. I haven't tried the 1.2.6.rc7 version, i've
>> tried  the latest code version (as of today). Don't know if it matters
>> (there  seem  to  be  a  lot  of coverity defects that have been fixed
>> between rc7 and a1).
>>
>>
> Can you get a core file and a stack trace?


Rich, just as i thought, this crash happens only with today's snapshot of
1.2.7.a1 version only. I've compiled 1.2.6.rc7 and the replication works
smoothly and without any problem. I didn't have a lot of time to generate a
stack trace because i was migrating our production servers. I thought the
latest build should be stable but it seems that the changes between 6rc7 and
7a1 introduce some problems with incremental replication as well as with
apostrophs in DN (my second mail). So for now i will migrate to 1.2.6.rc7.
I'll test the a1 version later when i will have time...

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Re: Fedora Notifications System.

[Mahmoud Abdul Jawad]

after spending two days reading the two fedora mailing lists (fedora
users & fedora devel), i got a list of ideas that need to be
implemented in order to keep the things up:
1. the abililty to turn off the system
2. smart notifications (maybe multilanguage, geolocation-based, &
time-aware notes)
3. keep a history of the notifications
4. max. number of notifications at the time
5. click able notifications
6. stackable notifications
7. manageable feeds

any issue about any of those points??

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Re: [389-users] entryrdn-index error message in error log

[Noriko Hosoi]

 Thanks for your input, Andrey!  I tested the latest server (built from 
git trunk) using your data.  I had no problem to add the entry and 
search it using scope base or sub.  Could you please give us the steps 
how to reproduce your problem?


Thanks!
--noriko

On 08/25/2010 10:49 AM, Andrey Ivanov wrote:

2010/8/25 Noriko Hosoi mailto:nho...@redhat.com>>

 Hi Andrey,

Looking at this line, ', is not a UTF-8 representation of
apostrophe.  Rather a Latin-1 representation?  Also, it contains
',' in the rdn value without an escape.  It's considered a
separator between rdns. I wonder who created the input DN...?

Hi Noriko, i have exported the complete ldif of userRoot database with 
db2ldif.pl  of our current production server - 
1.2.5.rc3 :
db2ldif.pl  -D "cn=Backup, cn=config" -w  'some 
password '-n userRoot -a /Backup/prod_base_`/bin/date 
+%Y_%b_%d_%Hh%Mm%Ss`.ldif


The corresponding extract from ldif file is
...
# entry-id: 5405
dn: cn=SALON D'HONNEUR,ou=objets,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu
nsUniqueId: 50a40f2e-251a11de-99ffa90c-effa97ef
modifyTimestamp: 20100129123533Z
modifiersName: 
uid=andrey.ivanov,ou=personnel,ou=utilisateurs,dc=id,dc=polytec

 hnique,dc=edu
departmentNumber: DG/SG/MG/REST
telephoneNumber: +33169333703
X-UniqueId: 50a40f2e-251a11de-99ffa90c-effa97ef
ou: 
ou=rest,ou=mg,ou=sg,ou=dg,ou=organisation,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu

title: SALON D'HONNEUR
objectClass: top
objectClass: X-Object
cn: SALON D'HONNEUR
X-majaxIndex: 17988
creatorsName:
createTimestamp: 20090811160546Z
...

 The error seems to appear only in 1.2.7.a1 version, the 1.2.6.rc7 
version does not show any errors at all concerning this entry...




entryrdn-index - entryrdn_index_read: Param error: Failed to
convert cn=salon
d',honneur,ou=objets,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu to Slapi_RDN

Thanks,
--noriko


On 08/25/2010 08:35 AM, Andrey Ivanov wrote:

Hi,

i'm continuing to test the latest version of 389. Here are the
error
messages that i've seen (it happened only once for now) in
error log :

[25/Aug/2010:17:21:10 +0200] entryrdn-index -
entryrdn_index_read: Param error: Failed to convert cn=salon
d',honneur,ou=objets,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu to
Slapi_RDN
[25/Aug/2010:17:21:10 +0200] - dn2entry: Failed to get id for
cn=salon
d',honneur,ou=objets,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu from
entryrdn index (34)
[25/Aug/2010:17:21:10 +0200] entryrdn-index -
entryrdn_index_read: Param error: Failed to convert
honneur,ou=objets,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu to Slapi_RDN
[25/Aug/2010:17:21:10 +0200] - dn2entry: Failed to get id for
honneur,ou=objets,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu from entryrdn
index (34)


The object in question is
cn=SALON D'HONNEUR,ou=Objets,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu
departmentNumber: DG/SG/MG/REST
objectClass: top
cn: SALON D'HONNEUR

What is the problem with this entry, conversion to Slapi_DN
and entryrdn index? Here are the
corresponding entries extracted with dbscan :

5370:cn=salon d'honneur
  ID: 5370; RDN: "cn=SALON D'HONNEUR"; NRDN: "cn=salon d'honneur"

C3106:ou=objets
  ID: 5370; RDN: "cn=SALON D'HONNEUR"; NRDN: "cn=salon d'honneur"

P5370:cn=salon d'honneur
  ID: 3106; RDN: "ou=Objets"; NRDN: "ou=objets"



I have not made any upgrades of the existing server. Instead,
i have
exported the ldif by db2ldif and then imported it into the new
server,
so there was no conversion phase.


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gvfs-copy invalid argument

[Kleber Rocha]

Hi,


I can't copy any files with the nautilus using the gvfs-smb, always give me
Invalid argument, this error came of gvfs-copy. Anybody has a solution for
this?

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Re: [389-users] entryrdn-index error message in error log

[Noriko Hosoi]

 On 08/25/2010 10:44 AM, Rich Megginson wrote:

Noriko Hosoi wrote:

  Hi Andrey,

Looking at this line,', is not a UTF-8 representation of
apostrophe.  Rather a Latin-1 representation?  Also, it contains ','
in the rdn value without an escape.  It's considered a separator
between rdns. I wonder who created the input DN...?

entryrdn-index - entryrdn_index_read: Param error: Failed to convert
cn=salon d',honneur,ou=objets,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu to
Slapi_RDN


', looks like some sort of html/xml escape?
http://www.theukwebdesigncompany.com/articles/entity-escape-characters.php
Thanks, Rich!  You are right!  And I don't think our DN normalizer 
supports it.


Andrey, what you observe is ...
389 v1.2.6.rc7 has no problem to handle cn=salon d',honneur, but 
1.2.7.a1 does?


We haven't touched the normalizer between 1.2.6.rc7 and 1.2.7.a1, I think...
--noriko

Thanks,
--noriko

On 08/25/2010 08:35 AM, Andrey Ivanov wrote:

Hi,

i'm continuing to test the latest version of 389. Here are the error
messages that i've seen (it happened only once for now) in error log :

[25/Aug/2010:17:21:10 +0200] entryrdn-index - entryrdn_index_read:
Param error: Failed to convert cn=salon
d',honneur,ou=objets,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu to Slapi_RDN
[25/Aug/2010:17:21:10 +0200] - dn2entry: Failed to get id for
cn=salon d',honneur,ou=objets,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu from
entryrdn index (34)
[25/Aug/2010:17:21:10 +0200] entryrdn-index - entryrdn_index_read:
Param error: Failed to convert
honneur,ou=objets,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu to Slapi_RDN
[25/Aug/2010:17:21:10 +0200] - dn2entry: Failed to get id for
honneur,ou=objets,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu from entryrdn index (34)


The object in question is
cn=SALON D'HONNEUR,ou=Objets,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu
departmentNumber: DG/SG/MG/REST
objectClass: top
cn: SALON D'HONNEUR

What is the problem with this entry, conversion to Slapi_DN and
entryrdn index? Here are the
corresponding entries extracted with dbscan :

5370:cn=salon d'honneur
ID: 5370; RDN: "cn=SALON D'HONNEUR"; NRDN: "cn=salon d'honneur"

C3106:ou=objets
ID: 5370; RDN: "cn=SALON D'HONNEUR"; NRDN: "cn=salon d'honneur"

P5370:cn=salon d'honneur
ID: 3106; RDN: "ou=Objets"; NRDN: "ou=objets"



I have not made any upgrades of the existing server. Instead, i have
exported the ldif by db2ldif and then imported it into the new server,
so there was no conversion phase.


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Re: [389-users] entryrdn-index error message in error log

[Andrey Ivanov]

I'll try to reproduce the problem tomorrow on my test server using the same
ldif file. The server had also the changelog enabled (for replication
purposes).

2010/8/25 Noriko Hosoi 

>  Thanks for your input, Andrey!  I tested the latest server (built from git
> trunk) using your data.  I had no problem to add the entry and search it
> using scope base or sub.  Could you please give us the steps how to
> reproduce your problem?
>
> Thanks!
> --noriko
>
>
> On 08/25/2010 10:49 AM, Andrey Ivanov wrote:
>
> 2010/8/25 Noriko Hosoi 
>
>>  Hi Andrey,
>>
>> Looking at this line, ', is not a UTF-8 representation of apostrophe.
>>  Rather a Latin-1 representation?  Also, it contains ',' in the rdn value
>> without an escape.  It's considered a separator between rdns. I wonder who
>> created the input DN...?
>
> Hi Noriko, i have exported the complete ldif of userRoot database with
> db2ldif.pl of our current production server - 1.2.5.rc3 :
> db2ldif.pl -D "cn=Backup, cn=config" -w  'some password '-n userRoot -a
> /Backup/prod_base_`/bin/date +%Y_%b_%d_%Hh%Mm%Ss`.ldif
>
> The corresponding extract from ldif file is
> ...
> # entry-id: 5405
> dn: cn=SALON D'HONNEUR,ou=objets,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu
> nsUniqueId: 50a40f2e-251a11de-99ffa90c-effa97ef
> modifyTimestamp: 20100129123533Z
> modifiersName:
> uid=andrey.ivanov,ou=personnel,ou=utilisateurs,dc=id,dc=polytec
>  hnique,dc=edu
> departmentNumber: DG/SG/MG/REST
> telephoneNumber: +33169333703
> X-UniqueId: 50a40f2e-251a11de-99ffa90c-effa97ef
> ou: ou=rest,ou=mg,ou=sg,ou=dg,ou=organisation,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu
> title: SALON D'HONNEUR
> objectClass: top
> objectClass: X-Object
> cn: SALON D'HONNEUR
> X-majaxIndex: 17988
> creatorsName:
> createTimestamp: 20090811160546Z
> ...
>
>  The error seems to appear only in 1.2.7.a1 version, the 1.2.6.rc7 version
> does not show any errors at all concerning this entry...
>
>
>>
>> entryrdn-index - entryrdn_index_read: Param error: Failed to convert
>> cn=salon d',honneur,ou=objets,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu to Slapi_RDN
>>
>>  Thanks,
>>  --noriko
>>
>>
>> On 08/25/2010 08:35 AM, Andrey Ivanov wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> i'm continuing to test the latest version of 389. Here are the error
>>> messages that i've seen (it happened only once for now) in error log :
>>>
>>> [25/Aug/2010:17:21:10 +0200] entryrdn-index - entryrdn_index_read: Param
>>> error: Failed to convert cn=salon
>>> d',honneur,ou=objets,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu to Slapi_RDN
>>> [25/Aug/2010:17:21:10 +0200] - dn2entry: Failed to get id for cn=salon
>>> d',honneur,ou=objets,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu from entryrdn index
>>> (34)
>>> [25/Aug/2010:17:21:10 +0200] entryrdn-index - entryrdn_index_read: Param
>>> error: Failed to convert honneur,ou=objets,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu to
>>> Slapi_RDN
>>> [25/Aug/2010:17:21:10 +0200] - dn2entry: Failed to get id for
>>> honneur,ou=objets,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu from entryrdn index (34)
>>>
>>>
>>> The object in question is
>>> cn=SALON D'HONNEUR,ou=Objets,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu
>>> departmentNumber: DG/SG/MG/REST
>>> objectClass: top
>>> cn: SALON D'HONNEUR
>>>
>>> What is the problem with this entry, conversion to Slapi_DN and entryrdn
>>> index? Here are the
>>> corresponding entries extracted with dbscan :
>>>
>>> 5370:cn=salon d'honneur
>>>   ID: 5370; RDN: "cn=SALON D'HONNEUR"; NRDN: "cn=salon d'honneur"
>>>
>>> C3106:ou=objets
>>>   ID: 5370; RDN: "cn=SALON D'HONNEUR"; NRDN: "cn=salon d'honneur"
>>>
>>> P5370:cn=salon d'honneur
>>>   ID: 3106; RDN: "ou=Objets"; NRDN: "ou=objets"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have not made any upgrades of the existing server. Instead, i have
>>> exported the ldif by db2ldif and then imported it into the new server,
>>> so there was no conversion phase.
>>>
>>>
>>> Andrey Ivanov
>>> tel +33-(0)1-69-33-99-24
>>> fax +33-(0)1-69-33-99-55
>>>
>>> Direction des Systemes d'Information
>>> Ecole Polytechnique
>>> 91128 Palaiseau CEDEX
>>> France
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Re: Migrating data off a failing drive

[suvayu ali]

Happy to report everything went well. This is what I did,

1. Boot and make sure the faulty disk is not mounted.
2. run the following,
# ddrescue -b 500M -n /dev/sd[faulty] /dev/sd[new] rescue.log
# ddrescue -dr3 /dev/sd[faulty] /dev/sd[new] rescue.log # 2-3 times

And now I have an exact copy of my LVM and everything is back up and
running as usual. :)

Thanks for all the help everyone.


On 22 August 2010 15:59, JB  wrote:
> Suvayu Ali  gmail.com> writes:
>
>> ...
> Some additional hints:
> - one more link to read
>  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DataRecovery
> - unmount source when doing dd-type operation
> - consider destination size when doing dd-type operation (it must be equal or
>  greater than source)
>  Note:
>  /* quote */
>  If the destination is larger than the source, the filesystem won't know this
>  and will function as if the lvol did not change size. To get the filesystem
>  to use the additional space, run resizing utility (e.g. gparted, resize2fs)
>  on the raw device file for the destination. Then you can mount the lvol.
>  /* end quote */
> - -v = verbose output; capture this output to a file with redirection (e.g.
>       'tee') while still seeing your primary output
> - dd_rescue with -r option
>  /* quote */
>  When running dd_rescue – don’t forget the “-r” option! (reverse copy)
>  What you can do is this – try it running dd_rescue the “normal” way and then
>  – when it finishes (or hangs, or whatever) and you have bad blocks, try
>  running the same command again with the “-r” option. It will take the same
>  drive, the same output file, the same bad-block file, etc – and do the whole
>  job again filling in the places where it was able to get good data.
>  /* end quote */
>
> JB
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Re: Fedora Notifications System.

[g]

On 08/25/2010 05:54 PM, Mahmoud Abdul Jawad wrote:


> i respect your opinions,

thank you.

> but, what is said - by you or by other users
> -  doesn't help. you are just blowing away the whole idea.

great. now you are starting to get the idea behind what i and others
are trying to get across to you.

> that's why i didn't create a plasmoid & sent it to the fedora admins.
> the idea is a desktop independent application, why? because i'm using
> d-bus which is being used be all the desktops.

it does not matter what your 'bit of wisdom' uses. if no one is for it,
nothing is needed.

not to belittle you, but just because you think it is great, it does not
mean that it is great, needed, or anyone wants it.


>> very simple, he loses everything. why, because he was running a distrib
>> that was unaware and he did not get notified because notification did not
>> come via email.
>>
>> this to me is a big flaw in a very fine distribution.
> 
> great point.

thank you. at least you are starting to see flaw.


>> therefore, i still say, *BAD IDEA*. it gains nothing.
> 
> it's not because i hate you - i don't even know your name ;) - but i'm
> going to continue this, because i think at the end we will know
> whether it will be able to solve such problems or not --not now.

it is bad to hate. hate builds prejudice and single minded thinking.

if you are one among a few, why fight and insist against many?

when the wheel rolls, why try to change it.

>> in closing, thank you for posting 'text/plain'. now your post will be
>> easier to follow and read by others who trap 'text/html'.
>>
> 
> you are most welcome.

as are you.

in this closing, please understand this, i do respect you opinions, but
as stated, i do not see advantage of what you want to do.


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Re: Fedora Notifications System.

[g]

On 08/25/2010 06:03 PM, Mahmoud Abdul Jawad wrote:
> after spending two days reading the two fedora mailing lists (fedora
> users & fedora devel), i got a list of ideas that need to be
> implemented in order to keep the things up:

> any issue about any of those points??


there you go again.

leave the design of the wheel alone

apply you "ingeniousness" to fixing what needs to be fixed.

there are enough bugs need repair with out adding more.


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Re: General desktop questions

[Ted Roche]

On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Alex  wrote:
>
> Apparently when I connected to the samba share through Nautilus it
> didn't make it persistent across a reboot. How can I configure
> Nautilus to mount the share permanently? It didn't seem to be an
> obvious option.
>

There's more than one answer, depending on exactly what you want.

As Chris indicated, you can tick "Create a bookmark" and give the
share a name and then it will mount on demand each time you go to the
menu "Places" and select it from the list. The mount will persist for
the remainder of that desktop session. I generally prefer this method,
as I take my machine with me and often don't have that remote machine
available.

Alternatively, you can set up the share through the /etc/fstab file to
mount each time on startup. I don't know if there's a way to do this
through the GNOME GUI interface, I usually just open a terminal and
edit the file. You'll need to switch to the root user or use sudo to
edit that file.

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Re: Fedora Notifications System.

[Mahmoud Abdul Jawad]

On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 10:25 PM, g  wrote:
> On 08/25/2010 05:54 PM, Mahmoud Abdul Jawad wrote:
> 
>
> thank you.
>
> great. now you are starting to get the idea behind what i and others
> are trying to get across to you.
>
> it does not matter what your 'bit of wisdom' uses. if no one is for it,
> nothing is needed.
>
> not to belittle you, but just because you think it is great, it does not
> mean that it is great, needed, or anyone wants it.
>
> 
>
> thank you. at least you are starting to see flaw.
>
>
> it is bad to hate
i hope you didn't understood me wrongly, i meant i don't hate you :)
> hate builds prejudice and single minded thinking.
>
> if you are one among a few, why fight and insist against many?
>
> when the wheel rolls, why try to change it.
>
>
> as are you.
>
> in this closing, please understand this, i do respect you opinions, but
> as stated, i do not see advantage of what you want to do.

i don't know whether you knew this or not, but, it wasn't my idea & i
wasn't the one who started this thing.
i'm just leading the programming part.
again, i don't find this a big lose, so, creating a small application
when i'm free is something worth the try.
at the end of this, i'll recall you asking you about your opinion
again. so, prepare to change your mind :P



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Re: F13 kernel update mystery

[Frank Elsner]

On Wed, 25 Aug 2010 07:24:51 -0400 Stephen Gallagher wrote:

 [ ... ]

> I'd recommend doing 'yum clean all' and then try again.

I followed this advice and it worked. Thanks.
Also thanks to all the others.


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Re: F13 kernel update mystery

[Wolfgang S. Rupprecht]

Hiisi  writes:
> I wouldn't dare to suggest using 'yum clean all' on this list. It's
> nearly the same big mistake as posting in html.

;-)

While I agree that "yum clean all" is a pretty big hammer, I have to
wonder why all the excitement every time it is suggested.  It isn't like
yum itself cares all that much about wasted bandwidth.  Much, much more
bandwidth gets wasted with duplicate downloads from folks that have
multiple Fedora machines.  If bandwidth really mattered all that much,
you could bet that yum would sprout a config file option that lets one
list all the hostnames of the other local fedora systems to check to see
if any of them had copies of the RPM in their caches.  

Yes, I know I can set up a local yum/rpm repository, but that has its
own problems.  One ends up downloading all the rpms, even though one
only uses maybe 5% or them.  Yes, one can also NFS export the yum cache
and symlink and share it across hosts, but that is a bit of work to set
up and get going.  Most people just aren't going to go through that,
especially when the end result is a much more brittle yum installation.

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Using Lightning with kerberos?

[Christoph Höger]

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is there any way to use Thunderbird Lightning
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Thunderbird itself works fine, but Lightning always asks for a passwd
when accessing webdav.

thanks,

Christoph
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Re: [389-users] entryrdn-index error message in error log

[Andrey Ivanov]

Well, i've sorted out this problem. Rich has pointed out that it's an
html/xml escape. He was right. Since i was working on our production servers
there were some requests constantly coming in. I've searched through the
access logs and found that the source of the problem is a broken web
application  that requests an incorrect DN :

[25/Aug/2010:21:25:21 +0200] conn=4201 op=1 SRCH base="cn=cadre
d',astreinte,ou=objets,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu" scope=0
filter="(&(&(objectClass=X-Object)(ou=*)))" attrs="* modifyTimestamp"
[25/Aug/2010:21:25:21 +0200] conn=4201 op=1 RESULT err=32 tag=101 nentries=0
etime=0.002000

These requests generate the messages i've seen in error log :
[25/Aug/2010:21:25:21 +0200] entryrdn-index - entryrdn_index_read: Param
error: Failed to convert cn=cadre
d',astreinte,ou=objets,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu to Slapi_RDN
[25/Aug/2010:21:25:21 +0200] - dn2entry: Failed to get id for cn=cadre
d',astreinte,ou=objets,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu from entryrdn index
(34)
[25/Aug/2010:21:25:21 +0200] entryrdn-index - entryrdn_index_read: Param
error: Failed to convert astreinte,ou=objets,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu
to Slapi_RDN

So there is no problem in the server code, it's a broken application. It
applies to both 6rc7  and 7rc1 versions of course. The reason why i thought
there was no problem in rc7 case is that i've made the tests with rc7 at
21h00, at this time there were no users and so no requests from the
above-mentioned application :))
I was alarmed because on our servers there are very few error messages in
error logs and i know them all. This sort of error message (incorrect DN or
filter in ldap search requests) was not logged in previous 389 versions,
it's a behavour change...
So the only thing that i should look into is the server crash during SSL
incremental replication in the current git version.




2010/8/25 Noriko Hosoi 
>
>  On 08/25/2010 10:44 AM, Rich Megginson wrote:
>>
>> Noriko Hosoi wrote:
>>>
>>>  Hi Andrey,
>>>
>>> Looking at this line,', is not a UTF-8 representation of
>>> apostrophe.  Rather a Latin-1 representation?  Also, it contains ','
>>> in the rdn value without an escape.  It's considered a separator
>>> between rdns. I wonder who created the input DN...?
>>>
>>> entryrdn-index - entryrdn_index_read: Param error: Failed to convert
>>> cn=salon d',honneur,ou=objets,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu to
>>> Slapi_RDN
>>>
>> ', looks like some sort of html/xml escape?
>>
http://www.theukwebdesigncompany.com/articles/entity-escape-characters.php
>
> Thanks, Rich!  You are right!  And I don't think our DN normalizer
supports it.
>
> Andrey, what you observe is ...
> 389 v1.2.6.rc7 has no problem to handle cn=salon d',honneur, but
1.2.7.a1 does?
>
> We haven't touched the normalizer between 1.2.6.rc7 and 1.2.7.a1, I
think...
> --noriko
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> --noriko
>>>
>>> On 08/25/2010 08:35 AM, Andrey Ivanov wrote:

 Hi,

 i'm continuing to test the latest version of 389. Here are the error
 messages that i've seen (it happened only once for now) in error log :

 [25/Aug/2010:17:21:10 +0200] entryrdn-index - entryrdn_index_read:
 Param error: Failed to convert cn=salon
 d',honneur,ou=objets,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu to Slapi_RDN
 [25/Aug/2010:17:21:10 +0200] - dn2entry: Failed to get id for
 cn=salon d',honneur,ou=objets,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu from
 entryrdn index (34)
 [25/Aug/2010:17:21:10 +0200] entryrdn-index - entryrdn_index_read:
 Param error: Failed to convert
 honneur,ou=objets,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu to Slapi_RDN
 [25/Aug/2010:17:21:10 +0200] - dn2entry: Failed to get id for
 honneur,ou=objets,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu from entryrdn index
(34)


 The object in question is
 cn=SALON D'HONNEUR,ou=Objets,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu
 departmentNumber: DG/SG/MG/REST
 objectClass: top
 cn: SALON D'HONNEUR

 What is the problem with this entry, conversion to Slapi_DN and
 entryrdn index? Here are the
 corresponding entries extracted with dbscan :

 5370:cn=salon d'honneur
ID: 5370; RDN: "cn=SALON D'HONNEUR"; NRDN: "cn=salon d'honneur"

 C3106:ou=objets
ID: 5370; RDN: "cn=SALON D'HONNEUR"; NRDN: "cn=salon d'honneur"

 P5370:cn=salon d'honneur
ID: 3106; RDN: "ou=Objets"; NRDN: "ou=objets"



 I have not made any upgrades of the existing server. Instead, i have
 exported the ldif by db2ldif and then imported it into the new server,
 so there was no conversion phase.


 Andrey Ivanov
 tel +33-(0)1-69-33-99-24
 fax +33-(0)1-69-33-99-55

 Direction des Systemes d'Information
 Ecole Polytechnique
 91128 Palaiseau CEDEX
 France

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printer problems F13

[Gregory Pittman]

Last week I was suddenly faced with the loss of all printers in my 
settings. This is on a netbook that I carry around and therefore have 
5-6 printers set up for use.

What I have noticed since then are the following features figured out 
with lots of trial and error, finally some success.

1. Plug-n-play automatic detection and setup of printers no longer 
happens. Other USB devices get found as usual.
2. trying to use the menu-based Printer configuration ends with it 
finding the printer, then telling packagekit to look for drivers, after 
which it says that the drivers are installed, and it quits with an error.
3. Using the menu-based HPLIP, it cannot find any printers connected to 
a USB interface, another show-stopper.
4. Using 'hp-setup' on the command line by root will allow for USB-USB 
printers to be set up. This will not work for USB-parallel connections, 
since this still cannot find any devices connected to the USB interface.
5. Using 'system-config-printer' on the command line by root will allow 
for setting up a USB-parallel connections printer.

I've tried going back a couple of kernels to see if that made a 
difference, but it didn't.

This is very annoying, and I wondering if anyone has any explanation for it.

Greg Pittman
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Re: [389-users] entryrdn-index error message in error log

[Noriko Hosoi]

 Thank you so much for the update, Andrey.  You eliminated one of our 
concerns!  (Of course, there are plenty more. ;)

--noriko

On 08/25/2010 12:44 PM, Andrey Ivanov wrote:
Well, i've sorted out this problem. Rich has pointed out that it's an 
html/xml escape. He was right. Since i was working on our production 
servers there were some requests constantly coming in. I've searched 
through the access logs and found that the source of the problem is a 
broken web application  that requests an incorrect DN :


[25/Aug/2010:21:25:21 +0200] conn=4201 op=1 SRCH base="cn=cadre 
d',astreinte,ou=objets,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu" scope=0 
filter="(&(&(objectClass=X-Object)(ou=*)))" attrs="* modifyTimestamp"
[25/Aug/2010:21:25:21 +0200] conn=4201 op=1 RESULT err=32 tag=101 
nentries=0 etime=0.002000


These requests generate the messages i've seen in error log :
[25/Aug/2010:21:25:21 +0200] entryrdn-index - entryrdn_index_read: 
Param error: Failed to convert cn=cadre 
d',astreinte,ou=objets,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu to Slapi_RDN
[25/Aug/2010:21:25:21 +0200] - dn2entry: Failed to get id for cn=cadre 
d',astreinte,ou=objets,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu from entryrdn 
index (34)
[25/Aug/2010:21:25:21 +0200] entryrdn-index - entryrdn_index_read: 
Param error: Failed to convert 
astreinte,ou=objets,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu to Slapi_RDN


So there is no problem in the server code, it's a broken application. 
It applies to both 6rc7  and 7rc1 versions of course. The reason why i 
thought there was no problem in rc7 case is that i've made the tests 
with rc7 at 21h00, at this time there were no users and so no requests 
from the above-mentioned application :))
I was alarmed because on our servers there are very few error messages 
in error logs and i know them all. This sort of error message 
(incorrect DN or filter in ldap search requests) was not logged in 
previous 389 versions, it's a behavour change...
So the only thing that i should look into is the server crash during 
SSL incremental replication in the current git version.





2010/8/25 Noriko Hosoi mailto:nho...@redhat.com>>
>
>  On 08/25/2010 10:44 AM, Rich Megginson wrote:
>>
>> Noriko Hosoi wrote:
>>>
>>>  Hi Andrey,
>>>
>>> Looking at this line,', is not a UTF-8 representation of
>>> apostrophe.  Rather a Latin-1 representation?  Also, it contains ','
>>> in the rdn value without an escape.  It's considered a separator
>>> between rdns. I wonder who created the input DN...?
>>>
>>> entryrdn-index - entryrdn_index_read: Param error: Failed to convert
>>> cn=salon d',honneur,ou=objets,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu to
>>> Slapi_RDN
>>>
>> ', looks like some sort of html/xml escape?
>> 
http://www.theukwebdesigncompany.com/articles/entity-escape-characters.php

>
> Thanks, Rich!  You are right!  And I don't think our DN normalizer 
supports it.

>
> Andrey, what you observe is ...
> 389 v1.2.6.rc7 has no problem to handle cn=salon d',honneur, but 
1.2.7.a1 does?

>
> We haven't touched the normalizer between 1.2.6.rc7 and 1.2.7.a1, I 
think...

> --noriko
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> --noriko
>>>
>>> On 08/25/2010 08:35 AM, Andrey Ivanov wrote:

 Hi,

 i'm continuing to test the latest version of 389. Here are the error
 messages that i've seen (it happened only once for now) in error 
log :


 [25/Aug/2010:17:21:10 +0200] entryrdn-index - entryrdn_index_read:
 Param error: Failed to convert cn=salon
 d',honneur,ou=objets,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu to Slapi_RDN
 [25/Aug/2010:17:21:10 +0200] - dn2entry: Failed to get id for
 cn=salon d',honneur,ou=objets,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu from
 entryrdn index (34)
 [25/Aug/2010:17:21:10 +0200] entryrdn-index - entryrdn_index_read:
 Param error: Failed to convert
 honneur,ou=objets,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu to Slapi_RDN
 [25/Aug/2010:17:21:10 +0200] - dn2entry: Failed to get id for
 honneur,ou=objets,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu from entryrdn 
index (34)



 The object in question is
 cn=SALON D'HONNEUR,ou=Objets,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu
 departmentNumber: DG/SG/MG/REST
 objectClass: top
 cn: SALON D'HONNEUR

 What is the problem with this entry, conversion to Slapi_DN and
 entryrdn index? Here are the
 corresponding entries extracted with dbscan :

 5370:cn=salon d'honneur
ID: 5370; RDN: "cn=SALON D'HONNEUR"; NRDN: "cn=salon d'honneur"

 C3106:ou=objets
ID: 5370; RDN: "cn=SALON D'HONNEUR"; NRDN: "cn=salon d'honneur"

 P5370:cn=salon d'honneur
ID: 3106; RDN: "ou=Objets"; NRDN: "ou=objets"



 I have not made any upgrades of the existing server. Instead, i have
 exported the ldif by db2ldif and then imported it into the new 
server,

 so there was no conversion phase.


 Andrey Ivanov
 tel +33-(0)1-69-33-99-24
 fax +33-(0)1-69-33-99-55

 Direction des Systemes d'Information
 Ecole Polytech

Re: Using Lightning with kerberos?

[Sam Sharpe]

2010/8/25 Christoph Höger :

> is there any way to use Thunderbird Lightning
> (thunderbird-lightning-1.0-0.27.b2pre.fc13.x86_64) with kerberos?
> Thunderbird itself works fine, but Lightning always asks for a passwd
> when accessing webdav.

Is this bug report helpful?

  https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=391493

It has some useful links to other information, but as I neither use
Lightning, nor have a calendar server that supports Kerberos, there's
not much else I can say;o)

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unbale accesses fedora

[rajib samal]

i have installed fedora13

then iinstalled ubuntu 9.04

 

after that i am unable to open fedora

help me

 

 

how i modify grub file tell me in details
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Re: Fedora Notifications System.

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Wed, 2010-08-25 at 21:54 +0400, Mahmoud Abdul Jawad wrote:
> > personally, see no benefit of adding something else to desktop that
> will
> > somewhere along the line be a potential problem. especially when
> desktops,
> > ie, kde, are always changing and in changing, breaking.
> 
> that's why i didn't create a plasmoid & sent it to the fedora admins.
> the idea is a desktop independent application, why? because i'm using
> d-bus which is being used be all the desktops.

As several people have suggested, why not use RSS, which doesn't even
depend on the desktop (or the OS)? Don't assume that the only people who
need to follow these alerts are those who are actually running Fedora
themselves.

poc

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Re: unbale accesses fedora

[Kevin J. Cummings]

On 08/25/2010 04:07 PM, rajib samal wrote:
> i have installed fedora13
> then iinstalled ubuntu 9.04
>  
> after that i am unable to open fedora
> help me
>  
>  
> how i modify grub file tell me in details

Insufficient information.

Did your Unbuntu installation overwrite your fedora installation?  Or
did you install them into separate partitions?  If separate partitions,
then which ones are they?

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Re: F13 kernel update mystery

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Wed, 2010-08-25 at 12:13 -0700, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote:
> While I agree that "yum clean all" is a pretty big hammer, I have to
> wonder why all the excitement every time it is suggested.  It isn't
> like yum itself cares all that much about wasted bandwidth.

For those of us on slow connections, bandwidth matters. Telling people
they don't need to throw away their cache and redownload a large part of
it is just being helpful, and isn't that what the list is supposed to be
about?

poc

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disable desktop background in fedora 13 (LXDE)

[Ranjan Maitra]

Hi, 

I was wondering how one does it: I have been looking at the Preferences
-> Desktop but I can not find a way to have it take nothing as the
background. Previously, in F10,11,12, I recall that there was a button
somewhere which said no background. I can not find it here. 

Any help?

Many thanks!
Ranjan
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Re: GDM and XDMCP

[Steve Blackwell]

On Wed, 25 Aug 2010 06:11:19 + (UTC)
JB  wrote:

> Steve Blackwell  cfl.rr.com> writes:
> 
> > ... 
> > "GDM 2.20 and earlier supported the ability to...and the ability to
> > run the XDMCP chooser from the login screen. These features were
> > not added back during the 2.22 rewrite."
> > 
> > So there is no XDMCP chooser on the GDM login screen (which explains
> > why I couldn't find it) but the way this is written implies that
> > you can run the XDMCP chooser from somewhere else. Perhaps from a
> > terminal window? Does anyone know if this is possible and if so how?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Steve
> > 
> Hi,
> an overview/solutions to this problem:
> http://www.peppertop.com/blog/?p=690
> PLease read all 4 parts.
> JB
> 
> 
Hey JB! 

Thanks for the link to that blog. Very informative. 
Using the xinit method from the second post, I was actually able to get
the login screen to the remote SuSE box and successfully login.
Unfortunately, after a couple of minutes the Xserver dies. It's
strange because it spits out:

  ...
  waiting for X server to begin accepting connections FreeType: couldn't
  find encoding 'iso8859-13' for '/usr/share/X11/fonts/TTF/luximr.ttf'

and then 
  ..
  No protocol specified

repeatedly even though it appears to be working until eventually it
says

  giving up.
  xinit:  Resource temporarily unavailable (errno 11):  unable to
  connect to X server

  waiting for X server to shut down 

  xinit:  Server error.

I don't see anything unusual in the logs.

I'm going to try the xephyr method next as that is reported to be the
most stable.

Steve
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Re: Fedora updates getting more like Windows every day - Examples

[Bill Davidsen]

Bill Davidsen wrote:
> Siddhesh Poyarekar wrote:
>> On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 5:13 AM, Bill Davidsen  wrote:
>>> It's getting so keeping systems up to date with current patches is
>>> incompatible with reasonable uptime goals. More and more upgrades
>>> require a reboot, and even reading the CVE data behind the update it's
>>> not always possible to tell if a fix is urgent. I'd like to encourage a
>>> bit more detail in the info with the upgrade, and a little more thought
>>> about what can be done to reduce reboots.
>>>
>>> More operations are specifying maximum outage figures, running 7x24, and
>>> running things which have long run times and bad checkpoint code.
>>>
>>> At least two companies are done with reminding people to shut off the
>>> desktop overnight, they are putting cloud software on desktops and using
>>> cloud tech to offload mainframes. Not just new tech such as s...@home
>>> and folding use, but things like PVM. I was admin of a PVM group 21
>>> years ago, but people are still using it.
>> If you subscribe to the package-announce list, you will get detailed
>> emails about updates, like this one:
>>
>> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/package-announce/2010-August/044962.html
>>
> I follow the RSS lists, but I'm very aware of this. But current policy is 
> that 
> if there is a fix marked as a security bug all net attached machines will get 
> it 
> if they run the software.
> 
>> This can help you decide if a kernel update is important for you. If
>> it is not a kernel update then it will most likely not require a
>> reboot. Everything else can be made functional through a service
>> restart at most.
>>
> If only that were true. But PackageManager disagrees. Quite a few things are 
> marked to require reboot, and I have noted that at least some of them cause 
> strange behavior if a reboot is not done.
> 
>>> To some extent RHEL suffers from this as well, though systems seem to
>>> have fewer and more stable things running.
>> Same for RHEL too. You get information on pages like:
>>
>> https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2010-0046.html
>>
>> Customers also get emails with this information so that they can
>> decide if they want to do an update or not.
>>
>> To conclude, just because an update is available does not mean that
>> you need to apply it. You need to do your own research and decide if
>> an update is relevant for you. And on the point of comparison with
>> Windows, there is none because you cannot really compare the amount of
>> information given out on a Windows update as compared to updates for
>> any Linux distribution.
>>
> New functionality and bug fixes in stuff which "works for us" can be 
> postponed, 
> security bugs on exposed machines get fixed pronto, I can explain brief 
> outages 
> better than breaches. :-(
> 
In the last few days PackageManager has told me to reboot after install of the 
following:
- Kernel header files
- Kernel update
- LDAP support
- Perf monitor
- RUBY libraries
- Network boot ROM firmware
- QEMU
- Open Source BIOS

I think it might be time to separate changes which take effect after reboot 
(ie. 
at your convenience), and upgrades which are likely to make the system unstable 
or newly started process behave incorrectly.
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Re: Error reading pen drive

[Bill Davidsen]

Parshwa Murdia wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 11:28 PM, Bill Davidsen  wrote:
> 
>> I agree Windows users aren't used thinking, for the most part.
> 
> Not always true.

Wow, is that ambiguous! Do you disagree that most Windows users accept option 
offered by the OS without thinking, or with my "most part" and concluding that 
all Windows users are numbskulls?

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Re: [389-users] entryrdn-index error message in error log

[Rich Megginson]

Noriko Hosoi wrote:
> Thank you so much for the update, Andrey.  You eliminated one of our 
> concerns!  (Of course, there are plenty more. ;)
> --noriko
+1
Are there any other issues with 1.2.6.rc7?  If not, I would like to tag 
this as the final 1.2.6 and push it to stable.
>
> On 08/25/2010 12:44 PM, Andrey Ivanov wrote:
>> Well, i've sorted out this problem. Rich has pointed out that it's an 
>> html/xml escape. He was right. Since i was working on our production 
>> servers there were some requests constantly coming in. I've searched 
>> through the access logs and found that the source of the problem is a 
>> broken web application  that requests an incorrect DN :
>>
>> [25/Aug/2010:21:25:21 +0200] conn=4201 op=1 SRCH base="cn=cadre 
>> d',astreinte,ou=objets,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu" scope=0 
>> filter="(&(&(objectClass=X-Object)(ou=*)))" attrs="* modifyTimestamp"
>> [25/Aug/2010:21:25:21 +0200] conn=4201 op=1 RESULT err=32 tag=101 
>> nentries=0 etime=0.002000
>>
>> These requests generate the messages i've seen in error log :
>> [25/Aug/2010:21:25:21 +0200] entryrdn-index - entryrdn_index_read: 
>> Param error: Failed to convert cn=cadre 
>> d',astreinte,ou=objets,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu to Slapi_RDN
>> [25/Aug/2010:21:25:21 +0200] - dn2entry: Failed to get id for 
>> cn=cadre d',astreinte,ou=objets,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu 
>> from entryrdn index (34)
>> [25/Aug/2010:21:25:21 +0200] entryrdn-index - entryrdn_index_read: 
>> Param error: Failed to convert 
>> astreinte,ou=objets,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu to Slapi_RDN
>>
>> So there is no problem in the server code, it's a broken application. 
>> It applies to both 6rc7  and 7rc1 versions of course. The reason why 
>> i thought there was no problem in rc7 case is that i've made the 
>> tests with rc7 at 21h00, at this time there were no users and so no 
>> requests from the above-mentioned application :))
>> I was alarmed because on our servers there are very few error 
>> messages in error logs and i know them all. This sort of error 
>> message (incorrect DN or filter in ldap search requests) was not 
>> logged in previous 389 versions, it's a behavour change... 
>> So the only thing that i should look into is the server crash during 
>> SSL incremental replication in the current git version.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 2010/8/25 Noriko Hosoi mailto:nho...@redhat.com>>
>> >
>> >  On 08/25/2010 10:44 AM, Rich Megginson wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Noriko Hosoi wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>  Hi Andrey,
>> >>>
>> >>> Looking at this line,', is not a UTF-8 representation of
>> >>> apostrophe.  Rather a Latin-1 representation?  Also, it contains ','
>> >>> in the rdn value without an escape.  It's considered a separator
>> >>> between rdns. I wonder who created the input DN...?
>> >>>
>> >>> entryrdn-index - entryrdn_index_read: Param error: Failed to convert
>> >>> cn=salon d',honneur,ou=objets,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu to
>> >>> Slapi_RDN
>> >>>
>> >> ', looks like some sort of html/xml escape?
>> >> 
>> http://www.theukwebdesigncompany.com/articles/entity-escape-characters.php
>> >
>> > Thanks, Rich!  You are right!  And I don't think our DN normalizer 
>> supports it.
>> >
>> > Andrey, what you observe is ...
>> > 389 v1.2.6.rc7 has no problem to handle cn=salon d',honneur, 
>> but 1.2.7.a1 does?
>> >
>> > We haven't touched the normalizer between 1.2.6.rc7 and 1.2.7.a1, I 
>> think...
>> > --noriko
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks,
>> >>> --noriko
>> >>>
>> >>> On 08/25/2010 08:35 AM, Andrey Ivanov wrote:
>> 
>>  Hi,
>> 
>>  i'm continuing to test the latest version of 389. Here are the error
>>  messages that i've seen (it happened only once for now) in error 
>> log :
>> 
>>  [25/Aug/2010:17:21:10 +0200] entryrdn-index - entryrdn_index_read:
>>  Param error: Failed to convert cn=salon
>>  d',honneur,ou=objets,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu to Slapi_RDN
>>  [25/Aug/2010:17:21:10 +0200] - dn2entry: Failed to get id for
>>  cn=salon d',honneur,ou=objets,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu from
>>  entryrdn index (34)
>>  [25/Aug/2010:17:21:10 +0200] entryrdn-index - entryrdn_index_read:
>>  Param error: Failed to convert
>>  honneur,ou=objets,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu to Slapi_RDN
>>  [25/Aug/2010:17:21:10 +0200] - dn2entry: Failed to get id for
>>  honneur,ou=objets,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu from entryrdn 
>> index (34)
>> 
>> 
>>  The object in question is
>>  cn=SALON D'HONNEUR,ou=Objets,dc=id,dc=polytechnique,dc=edu
>>  departmentNumber: DG/SG/MG/REST
>>  objectClass: top
>>  cn: SALON D'HONNEUR
>> 
>>  What is the problem with this entry, conversion to Slapi_DN and
>>  entryrdn index? Here are the
>>  corresponding entries extracted with dbscan :
>> 
>>  5370:cn=salon d'honneur
>> ID: 5370; RDN: "cn=SALON D'HONNEUR"; NRDN: "cn=salon d'honneur"
>> 
>>  C3106:ou=objets
>> ID: 5370; RDN: "cn=SALON D'HONNEUR"; NRDN: "cn=sal

Re: Error reading pen drive

[Bill Davidsen]

Tim wrote:
> On Tue, 2010-08-24 at 20:26 +0530, Parshwa Murdia wrote:
>> most part mean more than 50% (majority).
> 
> And I would agree with Bill saying most Windows users don't think.  It's
> used by a huge number of people, who have no damn idea about computing,
> treating it like some magic box.
> 
Even those who know computing get into the habit of clicking OKAY after a dozen 
or so nanny messages saying "do you really want to..." because there are so 
many 
(a) warnings without a "skip it the next time" and (b) things which should 
trigger user decision and don't.

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Re: Problem when upgrading from F12 to F13

[Bill Davidsen]

Frode wrote:
> Jim skrev:
>>   On 08/20/2010 03:11 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote:
>>> On Fri, 20 Aug 2010 20:38:29 +0200, Jon wrote:
>>>
 OK, I have done "yum upgrade" but after down load of all packages I get
 transacton error:

 file /lib64/libdb-4.7.so from install of
 compat-db47-4.7.25-15.fc13.x86_64 conflicts with file from package
 db4-4.7.25-13.fc12.x86_64
>>> There's a much newer db4 in Fedora 13 Updates, which should replace your
>>> old one from F12:
>>>
>>> db4.i686  4.8.30-1.fc13 
>>> @updates
>>> db4.x86_644.8.30-1.fc13 
>>> @updates
>>>
 file /usr/lib64/nautilus-sendto/plugins/libnstbluetooth.so from
 install of gnome-bluetooth-2.30.0-1.fc13.x86_64 conflicts with file from
 package nautilus-sendto-2.28.2-2.fc12.x86_64
>>> What do you get for "yum list nautilus-sendto"?
>>> There's a newer on in Fedora 13 Updates:
>>>
>>> nautilus-sendto.x86_64   2.28.4-3.fc13   
>>> updates
>>>
 And I am not sure what I should do now. Any comments?
>>> Verify your repository configuration and run some yum (or repoquery)
>>> queries to show which package versions are available.
>> Here is the sequence you do the upgrade.
>>
>>
>> 1.  Install the two Fedora-release-fc13 rpm's
>>
>> 2.  do "yum clean all"
>>
>> 3.  do  "yum upgrade"
>>
>> 4.  Reboot
>>
>> 5.  and "yum remove kernel-fc12"
>>
>>
> 
> Just curious: If I understand correctly, you don't use preupgrade. What 
> are the pros/cons of the two methods?
> 
> I have previously only used fresh installs, but maybe upgrading could be 
> worth a try afterall?
> 
There are two issues, one being to upgrade or full install, and one being if 
you 
upgrade to do it using the network (preinstall) or the "upgrade existing OS" 
option of an install DVD.

I generally reinstall, but having done 4-5 upgrades in the last few days, using 
install DVD media, and if you are willing to accept that the upgrade will 
probably not be as clean as an install in terms of filesystem setup or leaving 
a 
few configs in an old setting, then the benefit is that it will be faster to 
upgrade and you will preserve your custom settings *in most cases*.

The more revisions between the initial and current revision the higher chance 
of 
problems, some functional, and some just things like using old filesystem types 
or config files.

People go either way, depending on which issues they most want to avoid. Have 
good backups of critical stuff, whichever way you go.

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Re: faster /dev/random

[Bill Davidsen]

Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote:
> Bill Davidsen  writes:
>> Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote:
>>> Is there an approved way to increase the speed at which the random pool
>>> for /dev/random fills up?  I'm playig with dnssec and getnerating 2k rsa
>>> keys is taking up to 3 hours.  I've been googling a bit and Intel x86_64
>>> machines seem to have random number hardware built in (perhaps also
>>> AMD???)  Is there a way to funnel this into the entropy pool?
>>>
>> To be honest, I thought the data from the TCO random generator was funneled 
>> in 
>> already. That's what the "intel-rng" module does.
>>
>> Current kernel built with:
>> CONFIG_HW_RANDOM=y
>> CONFIG_HW_RANDOM_TIMERIOMEM=m
>> CONFIG_HW_RANDOM_INTEL=m
>> CONFIG_HW_RANDOM_AMD=m
>> CONFIG_HW_RANDOM_GEODE=m
>> CONFIG_HW_RANDOM_VIA=m
>> CONFIG_HW_RANDOM_VIRTIO=m
> 
> Thanks.  That gave me a few good strings to google for.
> 
>> If your CPU has the hardware the module should be loaded, but you can
>> check with "lsmod | grep rng" to be sure, or load manually to
>> test. Also virtio_rng might be useful. You might have to load by hand
>> to test, then config to load by default if you want.
> 
> It turns out my (2 year old) AMD Phenom 9350e Quad-Core doesn't seem to
> have that module loaded.  In fact, googling for "AMD hardware random
> number generator" got me a few hits of folks running an ms-windows tool
> on similar processors and one of the flags checked was for the hardware
> rng, which always seemed to be "not supported".  I guess the modern CPU
> really don't have that hardware any more.  How strange (and sad!).
> 
I haven't looked into what virtio-rng does, but it does load on anything I can 
quickly test, and I doubt it will make your number any worse.

There are number of cheap USB rng units around which are supported, I just read 
about one in Rich Jones' fine blog,
  http://rwmj.wordpress.com/2010/08/04/usb-hardware-random-number-generator/
which will probably get you started. His analysis is worth reading if only to 
see that some people still have pride in their product.

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Re: Random kernel update breakage

[Sam Varshavchik]

Steve Blackwell writes:


On Wed, 25 Aug 2010 11:14:48 +0300
Gilboa Davara  wrote:


On Tue, 2010-08-24 at 22:29 -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
> Every once in a while, something breaks when a kernel update gets
> installed. It doesn't happen every time, I'd say that once in every
> thirty or so kernel updates, grub fails to come up after a
> subsequent reboot.
> 
> This is just a minor annoyance -- I'd have to boot the install CD

> in rescue mode, let it mount Fedora on /mnt/sysimage, chroot to it,
> and execute /sbin/grub-install -- but I'm wondering if anyone else
> is seeing this.
> 
> This just happened again -- after installing 2.6.33.8-149.fc13,

> rebooting my laptop only results in a black screen, with a BIOS
> cursor uselessly blinking away in the top-left corner. Whip out the
> rescue CD, and now a few minutes later I'm back in business.
> 
> But then, I updated a different server to 2.6.33.8-149.fc13, and it

> booted the new kernel just fine. Previously, this same server got
> similarly de-grubbed by an earlier kernel update, but the laptop
> had no issues being updated to the same kernel.
> 

I've had this happen to me too. My theory has been that either it has
nothing to do with Fedora at all and it is a BIOS problem or that the
grub device.map file gets reversed somehow. 


In either case, you would have to have 2 disks so
perhaps we can determine if anyone who has seen this problem only has
one disk which would dispel my theory.


Nope -- the laptop has one disk. I've got a wide variety of machines here, 
and all of them had this happen at one time or another. It's really all over 
the place: a pair of i686 laptops, each with one IDE disk. A dual Pentium 4 
machine with two SCSI disks. A dual Opteron machine with two SCSI disks and 
one IDE disk. A dual Opteron machine with two SATA disks. One of the 
laptops, and one of the Opteron machines dual-boots, others run only Fedora. 
And, at one time or another, over the last few years an otherwise 
run-of-the-mill kernel update (all machines are kept up to date) 
occasionally borks grub on one of them, at random. None of these machines 
suspend or hibernate. That's pretty much the only common factor.





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Re: F14 Alpha x86_64 ISO too large?

[Bill Davidsen]

JD wrote:
>   On 08/24/2010 02:15 PM, Andre Costa wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I just downloaded Fedora 14 Alpha ISO for x86_64 and it doesn't fit on
>> a 80min (700MB) cd. Was this supposed to happen? (I was going to test
>> it on a pendrive anyway, but maybe this is not what everyone will
>> use...)
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Andre
> Where did you download it from?
> 
That's the Live-CD, and that seems to have relocated as well as the IOS below.

> Here are the directory contents of:
> http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/14-Alpha.RC4/Fedora/x86_64/iso/
> 
> 
> Index of /pub/alt/stage/14-Alpha.RC4/Fedora/x86_64/iso
> 
Really? That URL certainly doesn't seem to work today...

> Name   Last modified  Size
> Fedora-14-Alpha-x86_64-CHECKSUM12-Aug-2010 22:52  747
> Fedora-14-Alpha-x86_64-DVD.iso 12-Aug-2010 22:42  3.3G
> Fedora-14-Alpha-x86_64-disc1.iso   12-Aug-2010 22:51  687M
> Fedora-14-Alpha-x86_64-disc2.iso   12-Aug-2010 22:51  693M
> Fedora-14-Alpha-x86_64-disc3.iso   12-Aug-2010 22:51  692M
> Fedora-14-Alpha-x86_64-disc4.iso   12-Aug-2010 22:52  692M
> Fedora-14-Alpha-x86_64-disc5.iso   12-Aug-2010 22:52  621M
> Fedora-14-Alpha-x86_64-netinst.iso 12-Aug-2010 22:40  220M
> 
> Apache/2.2.3 (Red Hat) Server at alt.fedoraproject.org Port 80
> 
> 


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Re: Random kernel update breakage

[Sam Varshavchik]

Michael Schwendt writes:



My theory is that if the MBR is unmodified when the problem is encountered,
something may have moved GRUB's stage* files in a way it couldn't find
them anymore in their previous location. Then it would load and execute
unexpected garbage. Since the boot record doesn't contain the extfs support,
it doesn't understand filesystems before it loads its missing parts.


The only thing I can think of would be prelink, however there's no /boot 
listed in prelink.conf, and I can't think of any reason why it would be. 
AFAIK, ext3 does not do any kind of background maintenance or defragging, 
where it moves stuff around.


Furthermore, if something else on the system was randomly trashing grub, 
then you'd expect boot failures to occur randomly, at any time. One thing 
I'm confident about is that grub gets borked only immediately after a kernel 
update. It never borks on me out of the blue, at other times.


AFAIK installing a kernel should involve merely updating 
/boot/grub/grub.conf. I can't think of any reason why GRUB's stage files 
have to be involved. The script that updates it, /sbin/new-kernel-pkg 
invokes /sbin/grubby, apparently, to do that.


Without looking at grubby's source, a strings on the binary shows a 
reference to /boot/grub/stage1. So, grubby might be doing to grub itself, in 
addition to twiddling grub.conf, and occasionally gets it wrong.


Anyone know any reason why grubby would need to touch any grub files beyond 
its purported mission of looking after grub.conf?




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Re: faster /dev/random

[Rudolf Kastl]

2010/8/22 Thomas Cameron :
> On 08/21/2010 10:46 PM, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote:
>>
>> Is there an approved way to increase the speed at which the random pool
>> for /dev/random fills up?  I'm playig with dnssec and getnerating 2k rsa
>> keys is taking up to 3 hours.  I've been googling a bit and Intel x86_64
>> machines seem to have random number hardware built in (perhaps also
>> AMD???)  Is there a way to funnel this into the entropy pool?

move your mouse e.g. or cause system activity.

>
> /dev/urandom is a lot faster.

it shouldnt be used for anything security relevant like using keys though.

kind regards rudolf kastl

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Re: I need a jabber client, like real fast

[Robert Moskowitz]

On 08/25/2010 01:22 PM, Rick Sewill wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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>
> On 08/25/2010 11:30 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>
>> On 08/25/2010 11:39 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>>  
>>> On 08/25/2010 11:27 AM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
>>>
>>>
 On Wed, 2010-08-25 at 11:11 -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote:


  
> We are suppose to have a WebEX meeting going, but having problems.  So
> the coordinator told everyone to jump on a jabber session.
>
> I don't know what to use for jabber on my FC12 system.
>
>
>
 Empathy or Pidgin work. I believe in at least one of them they call
 jabber 'XMPP' instead of using the word 'jabber'

  
>>> I can't figure out in Empathy how to join jabber.ietf.org to get into
>>> the core session.
>>>
>>  
> This is neat.  I didn't realize the IETF was using jabber for chats.
>

Mostly during the sessions.  This is to allow for a larger 
participation.  Many sessions have streaming audio and a 'jabber 
scribe'.  It is not uncommon for the scribe to come to the room mike and 
repeat a question he/she has received via jabber.

Also helps for interim sessions.  We are experimenting with WebEX for 
interim web meetings.  The CORE wg session this morning was hosted by 
Cisco.  For some reason the chairs could not get the scheduled session 
working.  Eventually one of the chairs got another WebEX session set up 
and we were able to meet.  It was reasonably productive.

So if you can't make Beijing in Novemeber, you may be able to follow 
your favorite workgroup over live audio and jabber.   I will be missing 
the Beijing meeting, as IEEE 802 is meeting the same week in Dallas.   
Can only be in one place at a time, and someone else can cover IETF for 
me, but I am chairing a session at 802...

> I'm using Pidgin because empathy doesn't support O-T-R.
> I have a Mac friend who uses O-T-R when talking to me.
>
> If I right click on Pidgin in my Notification Area,
> I get the option, "Join Chat..."
>
> A Window pops up, saying "Join a Chat" with
> Account...I select one of my Jabber accounts,
> such as my Google jabber account.
> The Window expands to the following:
> Account rsew...@gmail.com/pidgin...
> Room:
> Server:
> Handle: rsewill
> Password:
>
> I enter hallway for the room and jabber.ietf.org for the server getting
> Account rsew...@gmail.com/pidgin...
> Room: hallway
> Server: jabber.ietf.org
> Handle: rsewill
> Password:
> I click Join and I am in hallway chat room at jabber.ietf.org.
>
> The following URL describes how to set up google talk chat in Pidgin:
> http://google.com/support/chat/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=24073
>
> I learn something new every day.
>
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Re: unbale accesses fedora

[JD]

  On 08/25/2010 01:23 PM, Kevin J. Cummings wrote:
> On 08/25/2010 04:07 PM, rajib samal wrote:
>> i have installed fedora13
>> then iinstalled ubuntu 9.04
>>
>> after that i am unable to open fedora
>> help me
>>
>>
>> how i modify grub file tell me in details
> Insufficient information.
>
> Did your Unbuntu installation overwrite your fedora installation?  Or
> did you install them into separate partitions?  If separate partitions,
> then which ones are they?
>

I suspect that when you  installed Ubuntu, you also installed
the ubuntu Grub loader, clobbering Fedora's grub loader - so now,
when you boot, ubuntu's grub loader is configured to only  boot
Ubuntu.

If this is  the case, then:
You will have some work to do, and I hope someone with
more time that I have, will explain to you how to edit some
files in /boot/grub to let you boot either OS.
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Re: F14 Alpha x86_64 ISO too large?

[JD]

  On 08/25/2010 03:29 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote:
>
>> Here are the directory contents of:
>> http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/14-Alpha.RC4/Fedora/x86_64/iso/
>>
>>
>> Index of /pub/alt/stage/14-Alpha.RC4/Fedora/x86_64/iso
>>
> Really? That URL certainly doesn't seem to work today...
>

Yup! They moved it. Here it is as of a few seconds ago:

http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/

Or the F14 Alpha:

http://mirrors.kernel.org/fedora/releases/test/14-Alpha/Live/x86_64/

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Re: disable desktop background in fedora 13 (LXDE)

[john wendel]

On 08/25/2010 01:42 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I was wondering how one does it: I have been looking at the Preferences
> ->  Desktop but I can not find a way to have it take nothing as the
> background. Previously, in F10,11,12, I recall that there was a button
> somewhere which said no background. I can not find it here.
>
> Any help?
>
> Many thanks!
> Ranjan

Select wallpaper screen, type in "none" for the filename. Presto ...

Seems broken to me, but this does work.

Regards,

John

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RE: unbale accesses fedora

[rajib samal]

I install fedora 13 then i install ubuntu 9.04 in a separate partition 

but my problem is "I cant open fedora"
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Re: unbale accesses fedora

[JD]

  On 08/25/2010 08:56 PM, rajib samal wrote:
> I install fedora 13 then i install ubuntu 9.04 in a separate partition
> but my problem is "I cant open fedora"
Look, people come here for help when they can provide detailed information
about what they did. Seeing that you are a newbie, and
for people to help you, you have to provide the minutest details of 
every mouse click
and every key stroke you made when you installed fedora and when you 
installed
Ubuntu.

You will need to provide all partitioning information about your disk(s) 
also.

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Re: Fedora Notifications System.

[Genes MailLists]

On 08/25/2010 02:03 PM, Mahmoud Abdul Jawad wrote:
> after spending two days reading the two fedora mailing lists (fedora
> users & fedora devel), i got a list of ideas that need to be
> implemented in order to keep the things up:
> 1. the abililty to turn off the system
> 2. smart notifications (maybe multilanguage, geolocation-based, &
> time-aware notes)
> 3. keep a history of the notifications
> 4. max. number of notifications at the time
> 5. click able notifications
> 6. stackable notifications
> 7. manageable feeds
> 
> any issue about any of those points??
> 

 imo - Whatever you do - please ensure that:

   1) never grab mouse focus ever - let the user decide when to view the
info.

   2) never create a popup unless the user clicks your applet to ask for
more information - leave your applet blinking in system tray or whatever.


   3) Consider possible consolidation of rss/email/desktop - as some
have said - perhaps they would like to be reached on their phone with
critical info.


  have fun ..
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Re: Random kernel update breakage

[JB]

JB  gmail.com> writes:

> ...
Additional info.

$ cat /usr/lib/pm-utils/sleep.d/01grub
...
# Ensure grub will load the correct kernel on resume from hibernate,
...
echo "savedefault --default=${current} --once" | \
/sbin/grub --device-map=/boot/grub/device.map \
--batch --no-floppy --no-curses >/dev/null
...

Let's see more.
# grub
grub> help savedefault
help savedefault
savedefault: savedefault [--stage2=STAGE2_FILE] [--default=DEFAULT] [--once]
Save DEFAULT as the default boot entry in STAGE2_FILE. If
'--once' is specified, the default is reset after the next reboot.
grub> quit

So, savedefault modifies stage2 file.
Could this be a source of grub random instability (grub trashing) ?
JB


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