F13 system-config-services crash

[JB]

Hi,
I noticed in system-config-services graphical display two unneeded "services"
that were leftover from livecd installation, namely livesys and livesys-late.
They show up in system-config-services, but they should not; they could not be
stopped/disabled there as well.

Note: from now on I kept the system-config-services graphical display open.

I removed the "services" manually in a terminal
chkconfig --del livesys
chkconfig --del livesys-late
After that I removed their init scripts
rm /etc/init.d/livesys*
As a result, the package system-config-services-0.99.46-1.fc13 crashed.

Regards,
JB



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Re: F13 system-config-services crash

[JD]

  On 07/07/2010 11:56 PM, JB wrote:
> Hi,
> I noticed in system-config-services graphical display two unneeded "services"
> that were leftover from livecd installation, namely livesys and livesys-late.
> They show up in system-config-services, but they should not; they could not be
> stopped/disabled there as well.
>
> Note: from now on I kept the system-config-services graphical display open.
>
> I removed the "services" manually in a terminal
> chkconfig --del livesys
> chkconfig --del livesys-late
> After that I removed their init scripts
> rm /etc/init.d/livesys*
> As a result, the package system-config-services-0.99.46-1.fc13 crashed.
>
> Regards,
> JB
>
>
>
Did you do the manual removal while system-config-services was running?
If so, of course it will crash because it does not lock it's resources 
to prevent
what you did manually (for example, ala yum which locks the database so
another yum will not disturb the database).

Cheers,

JD
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Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

[Tim]

On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 11:02 -0400, Tom H wrote:
> You (Todd) and others have the following:
> fromFelipe Contreras 
> reply-toCommunity support for Fedora users 
> 
> to  Community support for Fedora users 
> dateWed, Jul 7, 2010 at 6:10 AM
> subject Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers
> mailing listusers.lists.fedoraproject.org Filter messages from this
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> unsubscribe Unsubscribe from this mailing-list
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> and hitting reply results in having the following in the to: field
> Community support for Fedora users ,
> users@lists.fedoraproject.org

It doesn't double up the *to* addresses, when I reply here.  I second
the motion that it's most likely to be a gmail problem.  Either what it
does, or how you're using it.


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Method to upgrade from live install to DVD install package setup?

[Michael D. Setzer II]

I installed Fedora 13 from the live CD and have found many packages 
missing that would be installed with the normal process from the DVD 
images. 

Normally, I do use the DVD and do a preupgrade on one test machine and a 
clean install on another and usually use the clean install setup after figuring 
all the differences. 

In this case, I am 17 timezones behind my normal location (GMT+10 to 
GMT-7), so don't have the access to systems I normally do. 

So, far I've installed the OpenOffice, Samba to get printing to a windows box, 
and found that ftp wasn't install by default?

Only solution might be to reinstall from a DVD image, but that means doing 
all the updates again.

Thanks.

+--+
  Michael D. Setzer II -  Computer Science Instructor  
  Guam Community College  Computer Center  
  mailto:mi...@kuentos.guam.net
  mailto:msetze...@gmail.com
  http://www.guam.net/home/mikes
  Guam - Where America's Day Begins
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Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

[Felipe Contreras]

On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Bruno Wolff III  wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 07, 2010 at 13:02:37 +0300,
>  Felipe Contreras  wrote:
>>
>> Who are those mythical creatures that don't know about "reply to all"?
>> I keep hearing about them, but as far as I know everybody that knows
>> how to send email knows to send mail to more than one recipient, which
>> requires knowledge of "reply to all". No?
>
> If you read this thread there are posts that strong suggest that some of the
> respondents in this thread either don't know about reply to all or refuse
> to use it.

No. What they have argued is that *other* people might not know about
it, which as I've explained is not the case as even common users know
how to send mail to more than one person and keep the thread alive.

Let's not confuse a) users "not knowing how to use reply to all", and
b) users "annoyed by mistakenly not hitting reply to all". I've never
seen a case of a), and I don't think it's likely, but I do have seen
cases of b), but I think the advantages of not munging vastly
compensate for that minor annoyance.

> I have seen people ask about this on other lists (not related to Fedora)
> where I don't do reply munging. Some people really expect reply to sender
> to reply to the list.

Yes, I think some mailing lists might have spoiled them.

However, were you strict in saying "no, deal with 'reply to all'"? If
so, did your users managed?

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Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

[Felipe Contreras]

On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 4:59 PM, Todd Zullinger  wrote:
> Felipe Contreras wrote:
>> At least you can remove the "Your message to $foo awaits moderator
>> approval" automatic reply; it's clearly a lie.
>
> I don't receive those messages when I post from a non-subscribed
> address.

I did on the packaging mailing list.

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Re: Method to upgrade from live install to DVD install package setup?

[fedora]

Can't you do a diff between the yum logs or anaconca.logs of both 
installations and

yum install `cat /positive.diff`
yum remove `cat /nevative.diff`

suomi

On 2010-07-08 10:04, Michael D. Setzer II wrote:
> I installed Fedora 13 from the live CD and have found many packages
> missing that would be installed with the normal process from the DVD
> images.
>
> Normally, I do use the DVD and do a preupgrade on one test machine and a
> clean install on another and usually use the clean install setup after 
> figuring
> all the differences.
>
> In this case, I am 17 timezones behind my normal location (GMT+10 to
> GMT-7), so don't have the access to systems I normally do.
>
> So, far I've installed the OpenOffice, Samba to get printing to a windows box,
> and found that ftp wasn't install by default?
>
> Only solution might be to reinstall from a DVD image, but that means doing
> all the updates again.
>
> Thanks.
>
> +--+
>Michael D. Setzer II -  Computer Science Instructor
>Guam Community College  Computer Center
>mailto:mi...@kuentos.guam.net
>mailto:msetze...@gmail.com
>http://www.guam.net/home/mikes
>Guam - Where America's Day Begins
> +--+
>
> http://setiathome.berkeley.edu (Original)
> Number of Seti Units Returned:  19,471
> Processing time:  32 years, 290 days, 12 hours, 58 minutes
> (Total Hours: 287,489)
>
> bo...@home CREDITS
> SETI 9763292.210122   |   EINSTEIN 4142549.740851
> ROSETTA  2027290.462519   |   ABC  1443090.360569
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Re: F13 system-config-services crash

[Rahul Sundaram]

 On 07/08/2010 12:26 PM, JB wrote:
> Hi,
> I noticed in system-config-services graphical display two unneeded "services"
> that were leftover from livecd installation, namely livesys and livesys-late.
> They show up in system-config-services, but they should not; they could not be
> stopped/disabled there as well.
>
> Note: from now on I kept the system-config-services graphical display open.
>
> I removed the "services" manually in a terminal
> chkconfig --del livesys
> chkconfig --del livesys-late
> After that I removed their init scripts
> rm /etc/init.d/livesys*
> As a result, the package system-config-services-0.99.46-1.fc13 crashed.

Always report bugs in http://bugzilla.redhat.com.   It reaches the
developers and they can fix the crash. 

Rahul

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Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

[Tom H]

On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 1:30 PM, Todd Zullinger  wrote:
> Tom H wrote:
>> You (Todd) and others have the following:
>> from  Felipe Contreras 
>> reply-to      Community support for Fedora users 
>> 
>> to    Community support for Fedora users 
>> date  Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 6:10 AM
>> subject       Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers
>> mailing list  users.lists.fedoraproject.org Filter messages from this
>> mailing list
>> mailed-by     lists.fedoraproject.org
>> unsubscribe   Unsubscribe from this mailing-list
>>
>> and hitting reply results in having the following in the to: field
>> Community support for Fedora users ,
>> users@lists.fedoraproject.org
>>
>> For Felipe, it is:
>> from  Felipe Contreras 
>> reply-to      Community support for Fedora users 
>> 
>> to    Community support for Fedora users 
>> date  Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 8:44 AM
>> subject       Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers
>> mailing list  users.lists.fedoraproject.org Filter messages from this
>> mailing list
>> mailed-by     lists.fedoraproject.org
>> unsubscribe   Unsubscribe from this mailing-list
>>
>> and
>> Community support for Fedora users 
>
> It might be gmail doing this to you.  The reply-to and from fields
> don't match exactly, so perhaps they're "helpfully" addressing the
> mail to both.  My MUA (mutt) doesn't do this no matter how I reply
> (list-reply, reply, or reply-all).

I was just confirming what Felipe said about your headers.
It must be gmail because (1) if I choose "show original", your
reply-to field is ok, (2) Felipe is also on gmail, (3) Tim has posted
that he doesn't see this de-doubling on Yahoo.
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Re: Method to upgrade from live install to DVD install package setup?

[Michael D. Setzer II]

On 8 Jul 2010 at 11:02, fedora wrote:

Date sent:  Thu, 08 Jul 2010 11:02:07 +0200
From:   fedora 
To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Subject:Re: Method to upgrade from live install to DVD install package 
setup?
Send reply to:  Community support for Fedora users 




> Can't you do a diff between the yum logs or anaconca.logs of both 
> installations and
> 
> yum install `cat /positive.diff`
> yum remove `cat /nevative.diff`
> 
> suomi

I generally do something like that when I am at the College, but at the 
moment, I am in the states for the summer, and only have one machine to 
work on. 

I am guessing that a lot of people might install from the CD image versus the 
DVD since that is the default download but then want to get more complete 
install without having to go thru the individual process of selecting each 
package, and without knowing all the packages it is a hit or miss. 

Thanks for the reply.



> 
> On 2010-07-08 10:04, Michael D. Setzer II wrote:
> > I installed Fedora 13 from the live CD and have found many packages
> > missing that would be installed with the normal process from the DVD
> > images.
> >
> > Normally, I do use the DVD and do a preupgrade on one test machine and a
> > clean install on another and usually use the clean install setup after 
> > figuring
> > all the differences.
> >
> > In this case, I am 17 timezones behind my normal location (GMT+10 to
> > GMT-7), so don't have the access to systems I normally do.
> >
> > So, far I've installed the OpenOffice, Samba to get printing to a windows 
> > box,
> > and found that ftp wasn't install by default?
> >
> > Only solution might be to reinstall from a DVD image, but that means doing
> > all the updates again.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > +--+
> >Michael D. Setzer II -  Computer Science Instructor
> >Guam Community College  Computer Center
> >mailto:mi...@kuentos.guam.net
> >mailto:msetze...@gmail.com
> >http://www.guam.net/home/mikes
> >Guam - Where America's Day Begins
> > +--+
> >
> > http://setiathome.berkeley.edu (Original)
> > Number of Seti Units Returned:  19,471
> > Processing time:  32 years, 290 days, 12 hours, 58 minutes
> > (Total Hours: 287,489)
> >
> > bo...@home CREDITS
> > SETI 9763292.210122   |   EINSTEIN 4142549.740851
> > ROSETTA  2027290.462519   |   ABC  1443090.360569
> >
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  Guam Community College  Computer Center  
  mailto:mi...@kuentos.guam.net
  mailto:msetze...@gmail.com
  http://www.guam.net/home/mikes
  Guam - Where America's Day Begins
+--+

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu (Original)
Number of Seti Units Returned:  19,471
Processing time:  32 years, 290 days, 12 hours, 58 minutes
(Total Hours: 287,489)

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Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

[Tom H]

On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 4:00 AM, Tim  wrote:
> On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 11:02 -0400, Tom H wrote:
>> You (Todd) and others have the following:
>> from    Felipe Contreras 
>> reply-to        Community support for Fedora users 
>> 
>> to      Community support for Fedora users 
>> date    Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 6:10 AM
>> subject Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers
>> mailing list    users.lists.fedoraproject.org Filter messages from this
>> mailing list
>> mailed-by       lists.fedoraproject.org
>> unsubscribe     Unsubscribe from this mailing-list
>>
>> and hitting reply results in having the following in the to: field
>> Community support for Fedora users ,
>> users@lists.fedoraproject.org
>
> It doesn't double up the *to* addresses, when I reply here.  I second
> the motion that it's most likely to be a gmail problem.  Either what it
> does, or how you're using it.

Thanks for the info.

The way that I am using it?! LOL

As I said, it happens when replying to some. I just delete the extra
address when it happens and that's it.
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Re: The quietness of preupgrade

[Timothy Murphy]

Ed Greshko wrote:

>> I preupgraded from F-12 to F-13 today,
>> and it nearly all went well.
>> But I found the long periods when nothing seemed to be happening
>> off-putting, to put it mildly.
>>
>> It spent 30-60 minutes "searching for storage" -
>> what is that about?
>> I assumed the program had hung, but I was watching the World Cup,
>> so didn't mind waiting,
>> and was amazed to find the program actually returned to life
>> just as the game ended.
>>   
> Maybe it was watching too?

Yes, it was a bit like Spanish football,
passing the ball from player to player ad infinitum.

>> It really would be helpful if developers could make sure
>> that some kind of message, even if it is just a row of dots,
>> comes up from time to time.
>>
>>   
> I assume you will fill a RFE (Request for Enhancement)?  :-) :-)

I probably will;
but I'm surprised no-one has agreed with me (as the OP)
that the pauses in preupgrade are astonishingly long.
And there are several of them.
Eg after telling me each of the 1500 packages it was downloading,
it then went silent for something like 30 minutes
(on my Thinkpad T43).
I could tell from the irregularity of the disk reads
that it was hard at work.
I assume it was installing the packages?
Yum tells me when it is doing this, which I find re-assuring.

Maybe the Dutch will be a bit more direct ...


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Re: The quietness of preupgrade

[Alan Cox]

> Yes, it was a bit like Spanish football,
> passing the ball from player to player ad infinitum.

All too similar in my experience as its then followed by it falling over
for no apparent reason

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Server hangs

[Srinivasan]

Dear all,

 

We have installed Fedora Linux 8.0 on our server and we have a web based
application running on DB MySql. The server hangs very frequently(atleast
once a day). All operations come to stand still including the keyboard and
mouse etc.. We need to hard boot the system again to make the server up and
running.

 

Please help us to overcome this issue.

 

Regards

 

 

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Sosaley Technologies Private Limited

Mobile: +91-9840298411

Phone: +91-44-26182638

URL: www.sosaley.com

 

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Re: Server hangs

[Michal]

On 08/07/2010 10:52, Srinivasan wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> We have installed Fedora Linux 8.0 on our server and we have a web based
> application running on DB MySql. The server hangs very
> frequently(atleast once a day). All operations come to stand still
> including the keyboard and mouse etc.. We need to hard boot the system
> again to make the server up and running.
>
> Please help us to overcome this issue.
>
We can't help if you give us no information. Help us help you. But first 
of all, search the archives and the internet, if you find nothing then 
come here asking WITH details
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F13 system-config-services crash

[JB]

Rahul Sundaram  gmail.com> writes:

> 
>  On 07/08/2010 12:26 PM, JB wrote:
> ...
> 
> Always report bugs in http://bugzilla.redhat.com.   It reaches the
> developers and they can fix the crash. 
> 
> Rahul
> 

Submitted to Bugzilla as Bug# 612463.
Jurek



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Re: The quietness of preupgrade

[Ed Greshko]

On 07/08/2010 05:57 PM, Alan Cox wrote:
>> Yes, it was a bit like Spanish football,
>> passing the ball from player to player ad infinitum.
>> 
> All too similar in my experience as its then followed by it falling over
> for no apparent reason
>
>   
If one falls down often enough near the top striker of the opposing team
you may be rewarded with a red card on the opponent.  :-)

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Reply-To munging summary (was: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers)

[Felipe Contreras]

Hi,

I haven't seen a summary of this big thread, so I'm going to try to
write one. I'll focus on Reply-To munging here (orthogonal to
non-subscribers).

Before starting it's worth to keep in mind that munging is a *default*
that is possible to manually change, and some clients have the option
to ignore it. However, the people who do that are the _minority_; most
people just hit reply, and many use typical clients. In order to fully
understand the benefits of one method over the other, we shall only
consider the behavior of the mailing list as a whole, not what some
particular individual might or might not do.

For example, when analyzing personal level indicators, an advantage of
not munging; it's not useful to concentrate on the fact that *some*
people might ignore the Reply-To header, and therefore the indicator
would appear for that particular mail. The fact remains that for most
of the posts in the mailing list, the feature will not work. IOW: what
is important is whether or not the user can rely on the feature.

== Advantages ==

1) Personal level indicators.

Gmail has a feature that places a neat marker (">") near the subject
of the mail so that you can see directly that the mail was addressed
to you. This is specially a nice feature in high traffic mailing
lists. Here's a screenshot:

http://people.freedesktop.org/~felipec/l-o-personal-marker.png

mutt can be configured to have similar highlights:
color index brightwhite black "~p" # to me

2) Recipient filtering

It's possible to search say 'to:linux-ker...@vger.kernel.org to:me';
with munging it's not possible because the To header is automatically
changed to the mailing list.

Similarly, it's possible to have a filter rule for all mail from
linux-kernel to move to a certain folder, but have an exception for
mail addressed to the user, which might go directly to the inbox.

This way, both with personal level indicators and recipient filtering,
it's much easier to quickly be alerted of incoming mail addressed to
oneself.

3) Consistency

When there's Reply-To munging, people might choose to ignore it (if
their client supports) that. So in a typical munged mailing list you
have both munged and non-munged posts.

This is not a strong argument, but it's useful to keep in mind while
reading the non-issues below.


There are other advantages, not not relevant in the current Fedora context.

== Disadvantages ==

1) Inadvertently forgetting to "reply to all"

When Reply-To munging is not used, the user is presented (in typical
clients) with the option to either "reply" or "reply to all".
Sometimes the user will select the wrong one, which is an annoyance.

The severity of this problem is impossible to calculate as it depends
on background of the members of each mailing list, which might be very
varied, and in flux.

=== Non issues ===

Many arguments were presented as disadvantages of munging which are
not valid IMO and I presented reasons for that (as I'm doing here).

1) Ignorance of "reply to all"

While there might be some rare cases where the user doesn't know about
"reply to all" (i.e. mail newbies, grandmas, etc.), the typical mail
user is well aware of "reply to all" as it's the only way to keep a
conversation between more than two persons. It's probably one of the
first things to learn.

Personally I have never seen cases of this, and nobody has provided
evidence. If there's any cases of this, they are probably very
marginal.

2) Two copies of the same mail

When a mail is not munged, the original author would be in the To
field, and the list on Cc. If the author is subscribed on the mailing
list (the only case we care about here), then the author would receive
a direct copy and another copy from the list.

However, this is not the case as mailing list servers are aware of
these cases and don't send the list copy. For example, mailman has an
option "Avoid duplicate copies of messages" which does precisely that,
and is enabled by default.

This was agreed to not be an issue.

3) Unwanted direct addressing

There was an argument that some people didn't want to be directly
addressed and wanted mails addressed to the mailing list only.

There was no mention of why people would want that, or any evidence of
such cases (if there's any).

Moreover, Reply-To munging doesn't prevent them from being directly
Cc'ed (that header filed is not munged), they can manually be added to
the To field, or somebody might ignore the Reply-To header.

At best this is a policy issue, not related to Reply-To munging.

4) FWD noise

If the user mistakenly misses the "reply to all" option, the mail is
sent privately, then the user might notice and choose to fwd the mail
back to the mailing list.

This is a double mistake by the user, the proper way to correct the
original mistake is to send the mail again properly, and as to discard
the private copy.

Just like top-posting; this is solved with policy.

5) Mail escaping

This is defined as mail that is sent privately by mi

Re: Server hangs

[birger]

On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 15:22 +0530, Srinivasan wrote:

> We have installed Fedora Linux 8.0 on our server and we have a web
> based application running on DB MySql. The server hangs very
> frequently(atleast once a day). All operations come to stand still
> including the keyboard and mouse etc.. We need to hard boot the system
> again to make the server up and running.

First of all, Fedora is not a linux distro I would recommend for a
server unless you really, really need to run bleeding-edge software on
your server. Fedora releases often, with very short support for old
releases.

I would recommend centos.org as the place to find a server-oriented
distribution that is based on Fedora.

If you ever need to run a commercially supported linux on your server,
the step from CentOS to Red Hat Enterprise Server (RHEL) is very short.
They are mostly identical, apart from the need for a support license for
RHEL.

Combined with your claim that you run Fedora 8 I don't see the reason
for running Fedora at all. Fedora 8 is a long time obsoleted version.
There is no support for it anymore.

Either install CentOS 5.5 for a system with a long-term support and
excellent stability or Fedora 13 for the latest and greatest
bleeding-edge release with frequent updates.

If you still have the same problem (I would guess not), please come
back, telling wether you can still ping the server and/or log in to it
remotely with ssh (remember to enable the ssh service before it hangs).

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Re: Method to upgrade from live install to DVD install package setup?

[Timothy Murphy]

Michael D. Setzer II wrote:

> I installed Fedora 13 from the live CD and have found many packages
> missing that would be installed with the normal process from the DVD
> images.
> 
> Normally, I do use the DVD and do a preupgrade on one test machine and a
> clean install on another and usually use the clean install setup after
> figuring all the differences.

I usually do "yum grouplist" and "yum groupinstall ...".
This gets me a lot of packages I don't need,
but it does get me almost everything I want.


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Re: I need a PDF reader that will open this...

[Paul W. Frields]

On Wed, Jul 07, 2010 at 11:01:41AM -0600, Linuxguy123 wrote:
> 
> I can't seem to open this file and zoom in on it with any Linux based
> PDF reader.  They all seem to lock up.
> 
> http://www.calgary.ca/docgallery/bu/engineering_services/emaps/bicycle_pathways_map.pdf
> 
> Can anyone else ?

Works fine with built-in evince in Fedora 13.  But high zooms utilize
more memory.  I saw usage balloon to 1.6+ GB at 300%.  If you're not
doing this on a box with plenty of RAM you can count on it being
utterly glacial, or crashing.

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Re: Firefox crashing when accessing an SSL-secured web site

[Felix Schwarz]

Am 06.07.2010 20:23, schrieb Sam Varshavchik:
> 1) Looks like you're invoking Firefox in a German locale. Try starting
> firefox in en_US:
>
> LC_ALL=en_US.utf-8 firefox

Thanks for your suggestion! However the symtoms are exactly the same.
I created bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=612452 to note 
my findings (separate from bug 611297 because abrtd does not show up for 
my new experiment so I'm not sure if this is the same bug.

 > 2) Run memtest86 to check for bad RAM.

Not yet done but I'll try. However I do not see the problem in any other 
app/usage pattern.

fs
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Re: Floating point exception (core dumped) when exec busybox in Fedora 13

[Stephen Gallagher]

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On 07/07/2010 09:38 PM, Jerry Wang wrote:
> the busybox is 1.16.2, build on Fedora 13 as static linked. It results
> floating point exception when I exec it as:
> 
> [jer...@localhost busybox-1.16.2]$ ./busybox ping www.google.com
> Floating point exception (core dumped)
> [jer...@localhost busybox-1.16.2]$ rpm -qa | grep gcc
> gcc-c++-4.4.4-10.fc13.i686
> gcc-4.4.4-10.fc13.i686
> libgcc-4.4.4-10.fc13.i686
> [jer...@localhost busybox-1.16.2]$ file ./busybox
> ./busybox: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1
> (GNU/Linux), statically linked, for GNU/Linux 2.6.18, stripped
> 
> I need static link busybox. Any suggestion? 
> 

Since you have a core file, install gdb and the appropriate debuginfo
packages and get a backtrace. Then file a bug at bugzilla.redhat.com
with this backtrace.



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Re: Server hangs

[Stephen Gallagher]

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On 07/08/2010 05:52 AM, Srinivasan wrote:
> We have installed Fedora Linux 8.0 on our server 

This version of Fedora was end-of-lifed* on January 7, 2009. It is no
longer supported in any way by this community.

For servers, it would be much wiser to invest in a copy of Red Hat
Enterprise Linux (or one of its assorted clones). These have a
seven-year support lifetime, while Fedora versions are supported for 13
months.

* http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/IRC/Fedora-EOL-Support
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Re: I need a PDF reader that will open this...

[Ed Greshko]

On 07/08/2010 01:01 AM, Linuxguy123 wrote:
> I can't seem to open this file and zoom in on it with any Linux based
> PDF reader.  They all seem to lock up.
>
> http://www.calgary.ca/docgallery/bu/engineering_services/emaps/bicycle_pathways_map.pdf
>
> Can anyone else ?
>
> Thanks
>
>   
adobe reader 9.3.2 on F11 works very well...  zoomed to 1200% in/out all
around no problem.  In acroread it seems to use less memory at the
higher zoom levels.

The only thing I noted was...

1.  I wish Taipei had such an extensive network.
2.  20km/h speed limit seems a tad low to me.  :-) 



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Problems when creating Live-boot usb stick

[Abu Attar Musharih]

Hi,

I made a live bootable  Fedora-13 on Buffalo 8G  usb stick  using Linux command

> dd if=Fedora-13-i686-Live.iso of=/dev/sdb1

It was successful apart from no longer able to copy any file on  it.
The live Fedora only occupied 700M while the media is 8G.

I got the following message when trying to copy  a file on it, even if
with the root privilege.

>  cp mag01.doc /media/Fedora-13-i686-Live/
cp: cannot create regular file `/media/Fedora-13-i686-Live/mag01.doc':
Read-only file system

I removed any existing partition using /sbin/fdisk and  reformatted
with  command line

/sbin/mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdb

What I have now   is a single partition with only 6.8 Gb free space.

The question, how can I recover  the original volume amount, 8G. If
this is related to the file systems (ext3), which one should I choose
so the volume get back to the original.

Thanks for any kind of response.

AA
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Re: Problems when creating Live-boot usb stick

[Richard Shaw]

On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 7:38 AM, Abu Attar Musharih
 wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I made a live bootable  Fedora-13 on Buffalo 8G  usb stick  using Linux 
> command
>
>> dd if=Fedora-13-i686-Live.iso of=/dev/sdb1
>
> It was successful apart from no longer able to copy any file on  it.
> The live Fedora only occupied 700M while the media is 8G.
>
> I got the following message when trying to copy  a file on it, even if
> with the root privilege.
>
>>  cp mag01.doc /media/Fedora-13-i686-Live/
> cp: cannot create regular file `/media/Fedora-13-i686-Live/mag01.doc':
> Read-only file system

When you copied the image directly onto the device you in effect
destroyed the exisiting file system, that's the downside to using the
"dd" method.

> I removed any existing partition using /sbin/fdisk and  reformatted
> with  command line
>
> /sbin/mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdb
>
> What I have now   is a single partition with only 6.8 Gb free space.

I think you should have used:

mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdb1

>
> The question, how can I recover  the original volume amount, 8G. If
> this is related to the file systems (ext3), which one should I choose
> so the volume get back to the original.
>
> Thanks for any kind of response.

You seem to be fairly comfortable using the command line, but a
graphical tool would make this much easier to see what's going on. I
would install "gparted" if you're using gnome or "qtparted" and
repartition & reformat from there.

Also, if you would like to have access from a windows machine I would
reformat as FAT32. Actually in retrospect, I believe the
liveusb-creator tool[1] will format it for you and will allow you to
setup a persistent overlay so changes can be saved. Keep in mind it's
not that intelligent, from what I understand it just records block
changes from the livecd image and does not reuse any part of the
overlay, i.e. changes will continue to be tracked until the entire
overlay is used up at which point it is automatically dropped as a
fail-safe.

Richard

[1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraLiveCD/USBHowTo
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Re: Problems when creating Live-boot usb stick

[Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak]

On 07/08/2010 09:08 AM, Richard Shaw wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 7:38 AM, Abu Attar Musharih
>   wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I made a live bootable �Fedora-13 on Buffalo 8G �usb stick �using Linux 
>> command
>>
>>> dd if=Fedora-13-i686-Live.iso of=/dev/sdb1
>>
>> It was successful apart from no longer able to copy any file on �it.
>> The live Fedora only occupied 700M while the media is 8G.

Use livecd-iso-to-disk instead!

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Re: Reply-To munging summary (was: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers)

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 13:29 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> Also, people that are used to Reply-To munging can get used to
> clicking "reply to all"; it's a matter of habit, but no functionality
> is lost.

Why does no-one ever mention "Reply To List" as the proper way to, duh,
reply to the list?

poc

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Re: Reply-To munging summary (was: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers)

[Tom Horsley]

On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 09:14:23 -0430
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

> Why does no-one ever mention "Reply To List" as the proper way to, duh,
> reply to the list?

Probably because all the mail clients I've seen have it hidden
somewhere down inside some obscure pull-down and users don't
even know such a thing exists or their mail client supports
it (I certainly didn't know claws had a "reply to list" till
the last time this thread came up here, someone mentioned
it, and I actually went looking for it).
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Re: Server hangs

[Harish Pillay]

Srini -

> We have installed Fedora Linux 8.0 on our server and we have a web based
> application running on DB MySql. The server hangs very frequently(atleast
> once a day). All operations come to stand still including the keyboard and
> mouse etc.. We need to hard boot the system again to make the server up and
> running.
>
> Please help us to overcome this issue.

And the issue is? Details of the issue would be good.  But, as others have
pointed out, Fedora 8 EOLed early 2009. While you can certainly run Fedora
on servers (as I do myself), if you are looking for it to be run as a core
enterprise system, I would invest in a support subscription from a commercially
supported distribution like Red Hat Enterprise Linux.

While you are contemplating getting a Red Hat subscription, perhaps you
might want to do the following:
a) Check the machine's memory.  You might have RAM related issues.
b) Are you running out of disk space for the applications running?
c) What else other than MySql is the machine running?

Harish
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Thynderbird sounds -

[Bob Goodwin]

I can tag Thunderbird received messages with color but what I
really need is to tag them with a sound. I would like to play a
unique sound as the output of an e-mail filter.

I can hear the incoming mail tone from other parts of the house
but I would like to know when the message goes into one of the
filter directories I've created, else if I am waiting for a
response I have to keep coming back to the computer to see if it
signals the awaited message.

Is there a way I can do that?

Bob

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Re: [389-users] Sabayon/Gentoo distribution of 389org

[Fabio Erculiani]

On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 4:45 PM, Rich Megginson  wrote:
> Please file bugs/RFEs at
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/enter_bug.cgi?product=389

Ok will do, thanks.

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Re: Reply-To munging summary (was: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers)

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 10:13 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote:
> On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 09:14:23 -0430
> Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> 
> > Why does no-one ever mention "Reply To List" as the proper way to, duh,
> > reply to the list?
> 
> Probably because all the mail clients I've seen have it hidden
> somewhere down inside some obscure pull-down and users don't
> even know such a thing exists or their mail client supports
> it (I certainly didn't know claws had a "reply to list" till
> the last time this thread came up here, someone mentioned
> it, and I actually went looking for it).

I agree with your assessment of why many people don't use it. It's also
the case that some webmail systems (e.g. Gmail) don't even support it --
in fact they seem to have few features for mailing list support. However
I was mainly wondering why no-one on this particular thread (which is
after all about mailing lists) has mentioned it either. Looks like even
knowledgeable users don't know about it, despite the List-* headers
being a standard.

poc

PS This reply sent using Reply-To-List in Evolution (Ctrl-L), as are all
my replies whenever possible.

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Re: Problems when creating Live-boot usb stick

[Mick M.]

> The question, how can I recover  the original volume
> amount, 8G. If
> this is related to the file systems (ext3), which one
> should I choose
> so the volume get back to the original.
> 
> Thanks for any kind of response.
> 
> AA
> -- 

Try this:
open a terminal
'su -' become root

'fdisk -l'  see existing drives
plug your stick in
'fdisk -l'  find your drive

'dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb' clears out the MBR ans the partition table.
let it run for a while.

Then:
'fdisk /dev/sdc'
'n enter'  creates a new part
'p enter'  primary
'1 enter'  partition number
'enter'start at 1
'enter'last cylinder
'a'make it active so you can boot it 
'1'partition number 1
'p'print it to screen and make sure it looks ok
'w'write it out

Then: 'mke2fs -j /dev/sdb1 -L 8G-USB'
Unplug it and plug it back in, it should be detected as '8G-USB'


Sorry if this is too simplistic, no insult intended.
The key step is the 'dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb' 



Mick M.



  
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Re: The quietness of preupgrade

[R. G. Newbury]

> On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 12:25 AM, Christofer C. Bell 
>   wrote:
>> >  On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 11:16 PM, Robert Myerswrote:
>>> >>  On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 12:07 AM, Ed 
>>> >> Greshkowrote:
 >>>  On 07/08/2010 11:56 AM, Robert Myers wrote:
>>  Ignorance is everywhere.

How do I file an RFE to be able to killfile a particular writer, say 
Robert Myers as a general example from the list digest?
RGN

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Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

[Bruno Wolff III]

On Thu, Jul 08, 2010 at 11:16:41 +0300,
  Felipe Contreras  wrote:
> 
> However, were you strict in saying "no, deal with 'reply to all'"? If
> so, did your users managed?

Yes, my lists, my rules. I think there are mistakes from time to time, but
the lists are pretty low traffic in the first place so it's hard to say
what the relative error rate is from memory.
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Re: Reply-To munging summary (was: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers)

[Bruno Wolff III]

On Thu, Jul 08, 2010 at 09:14:23 -0430,
  Patrick O'Callaghan  wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 13:29 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> > Also, people that are used to Reply-To munging can get used to
> > clicking "reply to all"; it's a matter of habit, but no functionality
> > is lost.
> 
> Why does no-one ever mention "Reply To List" as the proper way to, duh,
> reply to the list?

It isn't always the case that you want to reply to the list. When you want
that, then sure that is something you can do.

But you don't always know if people are subscribed or not and there may be
cases where people like getting a second message directly to them.

The proper way to indicate that you don't want separate direct copies in
addition to the list copy is to set an appropriate mail-followup-to header.
Then things work automatically and people don't need to guess your intentions,
remember them or notice them buried in the signature part of an email message.
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Re: Problems when creating Live-boot usb stick

[Bruno Wolff III]

On Thu, Jul 08, 2010 at 21:38:25 +0900,
  Abu Attar Musharih  wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I made a live bootable  Fedora-13 on Buffalo 8G  usb stick  using Linux 
> command
> 
> > dd if=Fedora-13-i686-Live.iso of=/dev/sdb1

That's the wrong device. If you use dd you need to overwrite starting at the
beginning of the phsyical device. The correct name for that device is
/dev/sdb, not /dev/sdb1. Note if you do that all partitions already defined
for the device will be lost.

As others mentioned, depending on what you want to do, using livecd-iso-to-disk
might be a better option for you.
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slow down dd - how?

[Jozsi Avadkan]

How can I slow down dd?

I don't want to slow down the pc, when generating a big file [~40
GByte].

Does ionice work properly?

Thank you for any help! :\

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Re: Fedora 12 and Privoxy

[Jason Turning]

Natxo Asenjo wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 7:21 AM, Jason Turning  wrote:
>> I just upgraded my laptop to Fedora 12, and now Privoxy is failing on bootup
>> and has to be manually started. Anyone encountered this problem, and if so 
>> what
>> was the fix?
> 
> what does
> 
> $/sbin/chkconfig --list privoxy
> 
> tell you?
> 
> It should be on on runlevels 3 and 5.
> 

It's on for runlevels 2 thru 5, but on boot up it fails with the following
message from the Privoxy logfile:

Jul 08 09:02:21.415 7f27343cd700 Fatal error: can't bind to 127.0.0.1:8118: The
hostname is not resolvable

So I'm guessing the network isn't up yet and it fails to load. I think I read
where Fedora 12 is trying to load things simultaneously and perhaps the network
isn't enabled when it tries to load?

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Re: Reply-To munging summary (was: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers)

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 10:45 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 08, 2010 at 09:14:23 -0430,
>   Patrick O'Callaghan  wrote:
> > On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 13:29 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> > > Also, people that are used to Reply-To munging can get used to
> > > clicking "reply to all"; it's a matter of habit, but no functionality
> > > is lost.
> > 
> > Why does no-one ever mention "Reply To List" as the proper way to, duh,
> > reply to the list?
> 
> It isn't always the case that you want to reply to the list. When you want
> that, then sure that is something you can do.

Only if the people you reply to include the List-* headers. For example,
you didn't, so I can't use Reply-To-list for this reply (without
manually munging the headers of course). This forces me to use
Reply-To_All or to start cutting-and-pasting addesses. I guess that's
another reason it isn't so popular.

> But you don't always know if people are subscribed or not and there may be
> cases where people like getting a second message directly to them.
> 
> The proper way to indicate that you don't want separate direct copies in
> addition to the list copy is to set an appropriate mail-followup-to header.
> Then things work automatically and people don't need to guess your intentions,
> remember them or notice them buried in the signature part of an email message.

That surely is up to the receiver, not the sender. Furthermore, as it
will vary from list to list it seems impractical to have to set it
individually for each post if the MUA doesn't support it automatically
(Evolution doesn't).

poc

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Re: Reply-To munging summary (was: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers)

[Bruno Wolff III]

On Thu, Jul 08, 2010 at 11:43:10 -0430,
  Patrick O'Callaghan  wrote:
> 
> That surely is up to the receiver, not the sender. Furthermore, as it
> will vary from list to list it seems impractical to have to set it
> individually for each post if the MUA doesn't support it automatically
> (Evolution doesn't).

Yeah, you really need support in the clients for this to work well. Mutt
has a way to do this, but typically I don't use it as I find getting
separately addressed useful. (This used to be especially true on the
postgres lists about 5 years ago. They had a large latency at that time.)
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Gnome Menu curosity question ?!?

[William Case]

Hi;

Dumb, dumb, question that has been bugging me for years.  On the Gnome
Menu, what is the difference between 'Applications => System Tools' and
'Preferences => Administration'?  There seems to be no rhyme or reason
why some applications are placed in one category rather than another.

I find it a PIA remembering where seldom used applications are.  I have
reorganized the menu several times to reflect my personal definition.
However with every new Fedora version I lose my reorganized menu files.

Perhaps if I had a reasonable explanation that made sense, I would have
an aide de memoire to guess more correctly where a program is.


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Problem loading linux drivers for audio on motherboard

[Alan Nicoll]

I have determined my sound problem (no S/PDIF output) is due to not having
the right drivers loaded.  The install.sh file that comes with the
motherboard will not run; this code fails:

#Check if user have installed the kernel source
echo "Second, please make sure you have installed the kernel source."
if [ -L /lib/modules/$KERNEL_VER/source -a -L /lib/modules/$KERNEL_VER/build
]
  then echo "It's OK."
else echo "You haven't installed the kernel source." && exit 1
fi

This fails because the links to 'source' and 'build' in
/lib/modules/2.6.33.3-85.fc13.x86_64 are broken:

 This link cannot be used, because its target
"../../../usr/src/kernels/2.6.33.3-85.fc13.x86_64" doesn't exist.

So now I'm a little lost as to what I need to do next.  My searches for info
have returned some instructions for how to build a 'hello world' smple
kernel module but I'm more interested in figuring out what module(s) are
missing and how to install them.

Nick
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Re: The quietness of preupgrade

[Robert Myers]

On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 11:02 AM, R. G. Newbury  wrote:

> > On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 12:25 AM, Christofer C. Bell <
> christofer.c.b...@gmail.com>  wrote:
> >> >  On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 11:16 PM, Robert Myers >wrote:
> >>> >>  On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 12:07 AM, Ed Greshko >wrote:
>  >>>  On 07/08/2010 11:56 AM, Robert Myers wrote:
> >>  Ignorance is everywhere.
>
> How do I file an RFE to be able to killfile a particular writer, say
> Robert Myers as a general example from the list digest?
>
>
There should be a comma after "Myers" in your parenthetical phrase, which
you correctly introduced with a comma but failed to terminate with a comma.
 Ignorance is everywhere.  So is nastiness.  What the OP asked for
(demanded, really) is not possible even in theory.  Enormous amounts of time
could be expended, and programs  *with* status indicators will still have
long, inexplicable pauses if something unexpected happens.

I didn't attack anyone, but I have been attacked by several, most recently
you.  Before you engage in another bout of self-righteousness, I suggest
some quality mirror time.

Robert.
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Converting DVD copy to AVI

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

I have a DVD structure (VIDEO_TS etc. etc.) on my hard disk and would
like to convert the main feature to an AVI file, i.e. basically what
rippers do but without the physical DVD. I know I can use ffmpeg or
transcode to convert individual VOB files, but this seems error prone
(e.g. how do I know I got all of the main feature?). Does anyone have a
script for this sort of thing? Unfortunately K3B is no good as it
insists on there being a physical DVD to rip from.

poc

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Re: Converting DVD copy to AVI

[Athmane Madjoudj]

On 07/08/2010 06:21 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> I have a DVD structure (VIDEO_TS etc. etc.) on my hard disk and would
> like to convert the main feature to an AVI file, i.e. basically what
> rippers do but without the physical DVD. I know I can use ffmpeg or
> transcode to convert individual VOB files, but this seems error prone
> (e.g. how do I know I got all of the main feature?). Does anyone have a
> script for this sort of thing? Unfortunately K3B is no good as it
> insists on there being a physical DVD to rip from.
>
> poc
>

you can try something like:

ffmpeg -i VTS_01_1.vob -f avi -vcodec mpeg4 -b 800 -g 300 -bf 2 -acodec
mp3 -ab 128 VTS_01_1.avi


you need to active RPMFusion repo and install ffmpeg.

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Re: Problem loading linux drivers for audio on motherboard

[Stephen Gallagher]

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On 07/08/2010 01:15 PM, Alan Nicoll wrote:
> I have determined my sound problem (no S/PDIF output) is due to not
> having the right drivers loaded.  The install.sh file that comes with
> the motherboard will not run; this code fails:
> 
> #Check if user have installed the kernel source
> echo "Second, please make sure you have installed the kernel source."
> if [ -L /lib/modules/$KERNEL_VER/source -a -L
> /lib/modules/$KERNEL_VER/build ]
>   then echo "It's OK."
> else echo "You haven't installed the kernel source." && exit 1
> fi
> 
> This fails because the links to 'source' and 'build' in
> /lib/modules/2.6.33.3-85.fc13.x86_64 are broken:
> 
>  This link cannot be used, because its target
> "../../../usr/src/kernels/2.6.33.3-85.fc13.x86_64" doesn't exist.
> 
> So now I'm a little lost as to what I need to do next.  My searches for
> info have returned some instructions for how to build a 'hello world'
> smple kernel module but I'm more interested in figuring out what
> module(s) are missing and how to install them.
> 
> Nick
> 

yum install kernel-devel

Then try again

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Gnome Menu curosity question ?!?

[JB]

William Case  rogers.com> writes:

> 
> ...
Hi,
yes, I agree with you.
The proper menu organization should be with the topmost specifier "system"
including all system-related menus/items.
It is proper to reorganize the System as well and place most used items at
the top.
The new menu would be:
System -> Tools   /* old Applications -> System Tools */
   -> Administration
   -> Preferences
   -> etc
I would suggest that you let GNOME developers know of our proposal if it is
acceptable to the majority of opinions here.
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Re: Converting DVD copy to AVI

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 18:42 +0100, Athmane Madjoudj wrote:
> On 07/08/2010 06:21 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > I have a DVD structure (VIDEO_TS etc. etc.) on my hard disk and would
> > like to convert the main feature to an AVI file, i.e. basically what
> > rippers do but without the physical DVD. I know I can use ffmpeg or
> > transcode to convert individual VOB files, but this seems error prone
> > (e.g. how do I know I got all of the main feature?). Does anyone have a
> > script for this sort of thing? Unfortunately K3B is no good as it
> > insists on there being a physical DVD to rip from.
> >
> > poc
> >
> 
> you can try something like:
> 
> ffmpeg -i VTS_01_1.vob -f avi -vcodec mpeg4 -b 800 -g 300 -bf 2 -acodec
> mp3 -ab 128 VTS_01_1.avi

Thanks, but as I said I know I can convert individual VOB files. The
issue is mainly in knowing which files to convert as many of them are
not part of the movie. This information is encoded in the DVD structure
but it's a pain to decode manually.

poc

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Re: Converting DVD copy to AVI

[jack craig]

On 07/08/2010 10:21 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> I have a DVD structure (VIDEO_TS etc. etc.) on my hard disk and would
> like to convert the main feature to an AVI file, i.e. basically what
> rippers do but without the physical DVD. I know I can use ffmpeg or
> transcode to convert individual VOB files, but this seems error prone
> (e.g. how do I know I got all of the main feature?). Does anyone have a
> script for this sort of thing? Unfortunately K3B is no good as it
> insists on there being a physical DVD to rip from.
>
> poc
>
>
you might look at mencoder, it takes .mov, it might take the dvd format too.

eg, ...

mencoder mvi_0120.mov -o mvi_0120.avi -oac mp3lame -ovc lavc

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Re: Converting DVD copy to AVI

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 11:02 -0700, jack craig wrote:
> 
> On 07/08/2010 10:21 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > I have a DVD structure (VIDEO_TS etc. etc.) on my hard disk and would
> > like to convert the main feature to an AVI file, i.e. basically what
> > rippers do but without the physical DVD. I know I can use ffmpeg or
> > transcode to convert individual VOB files, but this seems error prone
> > (e.g. how do I know I got all of the main feature?). Does anyone have a
> > script for this sort of thing? Unfortunately K3B is no good as it
> > insists on there being a physical DVD to rip from.
> >
> > poc
> >
> >
> you might look at mencoder, it takes .mov, it might take the dvd format too.

Good idea. The manpage says it can read DVD structures, VOB files etc.
Guess I'll have to invest some time in understanding the gazillion
options.

poc

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Re: Converting DVD copy to AVI

[Athmane Madjoudj]

On 07/08/2010 07:02 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 18:42 +0100, Athmane Madjoudj wrote:
>> On 07/08/2010 06:21 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>>> I have a DVD structure (VIDEO_TS etc. etc.) on my hard disk and would
>>> like to convert the main feature to an AVI file, i.e. basically what
>>> rippers do but without the physical DVD. I know I can use ffmpeg or
>>> transcode to convert individual VOB files, but this seems error prone
>>> (e.g. how do I know I got all of the main feature?). Does anyone have a
>>> script for this sort of thing? Unfortunately K3B is no good as it
>>> insists on there being a physical DVD to rip from.
>>>
>>> poc
>>>
>>
>> you can try something like:
>>
>> ffmpeg -i VTS_01_1.vob -f avi -vcodec mpeg4 -b 800 -g 300 -bf 2 -acodec
>> mp3 -ab 128 VTS_01_1.avi
>
> Thanks, but as I said I know I can convert individual VOB files. The
> issue is mainly in knowing which files to convert as many of them are
> not part of the movie. This information is encoded in the DVD structure
> but it's a pain to decode manually.
>
> poc
>

Try Mencoder (MPlayer)

mencoder dvd://1 -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:vbitrate="1200" -oac 
mp3lame -lameopts br=128 -o dvd.avi

You can see the man page for more options like zooming, scaling and 
subtitle stuffs.

man mencoder

There's also GUI frontends:

http://www.mplayerhq.hu/design7/projects.html#mencoder_frontends

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Re: Gnome Menu curosity question ?!?

[William Case]

Hi;

On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 17:51 +, JB wrote:
> William Case  rogers.com> writes:
> 
> > 
> > ...
> Hi,
> yes, I agree with you.
> The proper menu organization should be with the topmost specifier "system"
> including all system-related menus/items.
> It is proper to reorganize the System as well and place most used items at
> the top.
> The new menu would be:
> System -> Tools   /* old Applications -> System Tools */
>-> Administration
>-> Preferences
>-> etc
> I would suggest that you let GNOME developers know of our proposal if it is
> acceptable to the majority of opinions here.
> JB
> 

Therein, of course, lies the problem.  I have reorganized so that System
Tools contains all user system stuff that doesn't require root
privileges.  And I have put all Administration programs that require
root login/password in System => Administration.  At least that gives me
a sense of which changes are dangerous.

But the present set up is just hard to remember and makes no sense.

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Re: Reply-To munging summary (was: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers)

[Tom H]

On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 6:29 AM, Felipe Contreras
 wrote:
>
> I haven't seen a summary of this big thread, so I'm going to try to
> write one. I'll focus on Reply-To munging here (orthogonal to
> non-subscribers).

An unsurprisingly biased and inaccurate summary...
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Re: Missing ephiphany plugin?

[Steve Blackwell]

On Wed, 7 Jul 2010 08:53:54 -0400
Steve Blackwell  wrote:

> On Tue, 6 Jul 2010 22:09:31 -0400
> Steve Blackwell  wrote:
> 
> > I think I'm missing a plugin or two for ephiphany.
> > 
> > After upgrading from F11->F12 some web pages display blank areas
> > where (presumably) a picture should be. An example is 
> > 
> > http://www.licklibrary.com/classifieds_rolandad.aspx
> > 
> BTW this page is OK in Firefox.
> 
> Steve
> 
Hmmm... No answers. 

Perhaps it is because I mis-spelled epiphany?
Perhaps it is because no one wants to go to the web site I gave? It is
an ad for a guitar gizmo. I'm not trying to promote it. Its just a site
that doesn't work for me.
Perhaps it is because no one cares?

Steve

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Re: Converting DVD copy to AVI

[jack craig]

On 07/08/2010 11:16 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 11:02 -0700, jack craig wrote:
>
>> On 07/08/2010 10:21 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>>  
>>> I have a DVD structure (VIDEO_TS etc. etc.) on my hard disk and would
>>> like to convert the main feature to an AVI file, i.e. basically what
>>> rippers do but without the physical DVD. I know I can use ffmpeg or
>>> transcode to convert individual VOB files, but this seems error prone
>>> (e.g. how do I know I got all of the main feature?). Does anyone have a
>>> script for this sort of thing? Unfortunately K3B is no good as it
>>> insists on there being a physical DVD to rip from.
>>>
>>> poc
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> you might look at mencoder, it takes .mov, it might take the dvd format too.
>>  
> Good idea. The manpage says it can read DVD structures, VOB files etc.
> Guess I'll have to invest some time in understanding the gazillion
> options.
>
> poc
>
>
I recently ripped a DVD we got from a manta ray night dive event and 
found .vob files.
I was surprised that vlc played the .vob out of the box!

Its great to see multimedia blossoming in Linux land.

Also, i got a blurb about a new Fluenda DVD play program for Linux, just 
fyi...

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Re: Converting DVD copy to AVI

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 12:01 -0700, jack craig wrote:
> 
> On 07/08/2010 11:16 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 11:02 -0700, jack craig wrote:
> >
> >> On 07/08/2010 10:21 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> >>  
> >>> I have a DVD structure (VIDEO_TS etc. etc.) on my hard disk and would
> >>> like to convert the main feature to an AVI file, i.e. basically what
> >>> rippers do but without the physical DVD. I know I can use ffmpeg or
> >>> transcode to convert individual VOB files, but this seems error prone
> >>> (e.g. how do I know I got all of the main feature?). Does anyone have a
> >>> script for this sort of thing? Unfortunately K3B is no good as it
> >>> insists on there being a physical DVD to rip from.
> >>>
> >>> poc
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >> you might look at mencoder, it takes .mov, it might take the dvd format 
> >> too.
> >>  
> > Good idea. The manpage says it can read DVD structures, VOB files etc.
> > Guess I'll have to invest some time in understanding the gazillion
> > options.
> >
> > poc
> >
> >
> I recently ripped a DVD we got from a manta ray night dive event and 
> found .vob files.
> I was surprised that vlc played the .vob out of the box!

mplayer will do that too.

> Its great to see multimedia blossoming in Linux land.

Indeed.

> Also, i got a blurb about a new Fluenda DVD play program for Linux, just 
> fyi...

Yes, I got that. $20 or so, no thanks.

poc

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Re: Converting DVD copy to AVI [SOLVED]

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 19:20 +0100, Athmane Madjoudj wrote:
> Try Mencoder (MPlayer)
> 
> mencoder dvd://1 -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:vbitrate="1200" -oac
> mp3lame -lameopts br=128 -o dvd.avi

I think that still reads from the DVD drive. However I managed it using:

mencoder dvd://4 -o output.avi ... -dvd-device VIDEO_TS

The important option being -dvd-device, which can be a directory. You
still have to figure out which is the "chapter" (4 in this case) but
it's easy to do a test run to check as mplayer takes the same option. Of
course there might be wierd and wonderful DVDs out there that require
more fooling around, but this one worked for me.

> You can see the man page for more options like zooming, scaling and 
> subtitle stuffs.
> 
> man mencoder
> 
> There's also GUI frontends:
> 
> http://www.mplayerhq.hu/design7/projects.html#mencoder_frontends

None of which seem to be available in Fedora, and the ones I looked at
are all at least 5 years old. I find it odd that there isn't more demand
for this sort of thing.

Thanks for your help.

poc

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Re: Problems when creating Live-boot usb stick

[fred smith]

On Thu, Jul 08, 2010 at 09:38:25PM +0900, Abu Attar Musharih wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I made a live bootable  Fedora-13 on Buffalo 8G  usb stick  using Linux 
> command
> 
> > dd if=Fedora-13-i686-Live.iso of=/dev/sdb1
> 
> It was successful apart from no longer able to copy any file on  it.
> The live Fedora only occupied 700M while the media is 8G.
> 
> I got the following message when trying to copy  a file on it, even if
> with the root privilege.
> 
> >  cp mag01.doc /media/Fedora-13-i686-Live/
> cp: cannot create regular file `/media/Fedora-13-i686-Live/mag01.doc':
> Read-only file system
> 
> I removed any existing partition using /sbin/fdisk and  reformatted
> with  command line
> 
> /sbin/mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdb
> 
> What I have now   is a single partition with only 6.8 Gb free space.
> 
> The question, how can I recover  the original volume amount, 8G. If
> this is related to the file systems (ext3), which one should I choose
> so the volume get back to the original.
> 
> Thanks for any kind of response.
> 
A few months ago I did an actual install onto a USB stick, rather than
one of the live CD on USB things. this allowed me to have the full size
of the usb stick as a "hard drive" and it could be run just like a "normal"
installation and updated just like one too.

I did it with the "install to hard disk" function of the LIVE CD, but I'd
expect an install from a cd/dvd (non-live) to work just as well.

I've never seen anyone suggest this method, so I don't know what the 
drawbacks are, all I know is it worked for what I needed.

The reason I did that:
one problem with the live-cd-on-usb-with-persistence method is that 
updates to the kernel, or new kernel modules--such as wireless drivers--
don't work, and I needed rt2860 drivers from RPMFusion, or else it 
wasn't any good to me at all.
> AA
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Re: Gnome Menu curosity question ?!?

[Roger K. Wells]

On 07/08/2010 01:51 PM, JB wrote:
> William Case  rogers.com>  writes:
>
>
>> ...
>>  
> Hi,
> yes, I agree with you.
> The proper menu organization should be with the topmost specifier "system"
> including all system-related menus/items.
> It is proper to reorganize the System as well and place most used items at
> the top.
> The new menu would be:
> System ->  Tools   /* old Applications ->  System Tools */
> ->  Administration
> ->  Preferences
> ->  etc
> I would suggest that you let GNOME developers know of our proposal if it is
> acceptable to the majority of opinions here.
> JB
>
>
I agree and this works for me as well.
roger wells
>
>
>
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Gnome Menu curosity question ?!?

[JB]

William Case  rogers.com> writes:

> > > ...
> 
> Therein, of course, lies the problem.  I have reorganized so that System
> Tools contains all user system stuff that doesn't require root
> privileges.  And I have put all Administration programs that require
> root login/password in System => Administration.  At least that gives me
> a sense of which changes are dangerous.
> 
> But the present set up is just hard to remember and makes no sense.
> 
The next level of reorganization (inside Tools and Administration) may not
be practical according to root sign-in requirements.
Example:
I have in Tools two items that require root previleges 
  Fedora LiveUSB Creator
  SELinux Policy Generation Tool
Note that they are clearly "tools" (the second one named so explicitly).
If you move them to Administration, you break the distinction between
Tools and Administration.
Btw, almost all Administration items right now require root and so there is
no need to move them around.
I think we should stick with the top reorganization for now only to make it
acceptable to GNOME devs and users at large.
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Re: Problem loading linux drivers for audio on motherboard

[Stephen Gallagher]

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On 07/08/2010 03:09 PM, Alan Nicoll wrote:
> Thanks for the suggestiono but:
> 
> [r...@nn audiodrvrs]# yum install kernel-devel
> Loaded plugins: presto, refresh-packagekit, remove-with-leaves
> Setting up Install Process
> Package kernel-devel-2.6.33.5-124.fc13.x86_64 already installed and
> latest version
> Nothing to do
> [r...@nn audiodrvrs]#
> 
> I removed the bad links to build and source in
> /lib/modules/2.6.33.3-85.fc13.x86_64 and tried it again with the same
> results.
> 

Note that the two kernel versions there do not match. Chances are you
have a newer kernel installed that you haven't yet rebooted to take
advantage of. When you attempt to build the module, it's trying to build
against the running kernel, but the headers are only available for the
newer kernel.

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Re: Converting DVD copy to AVI [SOLVED]

[Michael Miles]

On 07/08/2010 12:14 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 19:20 +0100, Athmane Madjoudj wrote:
>
>> Try Mencoder (MPlayer)
>>
>> mencoder dvd://1 -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:vbitrate="1200" -oac
>> mp3lame -lameopts br=128 -o dvd.avi
>>  
> I think that still reads from the DVD drive. However I managed it using:
>
> mencoder dvd://4 -o output.avi ... -dvd-device VIDEO_TS
>
> The important option being -dvd-device, which can be a directory. You
> still have to figure out which is the "chapter" (4 in this case) but
> it's easy to do a test run to check as mplayer takes the same option. Of
> course there might be wierd and wonderful DVDs out there that require
> more fooling around, but this one worked for me.
>
>
>> You can see the man page for more options like zooming, scaling and
>> subtitle stuffs.
>>
>> man mencoder
>>
>> There's also GUI frontends:
>>
>> http://www.mplayerhq.hu/design7/projects.html#mencoder_frontends
>>  
> None of which seem to be available in Fedora, and the ones I looked at
> are all at least 5 years old. I find it odd that there isn't more demand
> for this sort of thing.
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> poc
>
>
The support for avi files is WINFF as it is the front end for mencoder 
that I use and works very well

If you need to play these an a Stanalone DVD player then yes you need 
avi files
Kdenlive is another media type program that does more than just 
conversion but the one I use is Avidemux. It is a bit complex but 
extremely powerful.

The easiest to use is Handbrake but avi support is nil even though it 
says it handles them

The need for standalone players to support MKV x264 is needed and they 
are out there but expensive
h264 in the mkv container is the best format yet

Oh for my old win software Dvdfab platinum but getting it to run 
correctly through wine leaves something to be desired

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Trying to find startup script that loads appliecations in the gnome-sessons app ?!?

[William Case]

Hi;

I want to add a line to the script that starts the programs listed in
gnome-session-manager.  There must be (??) an rc.d script or something
like it that starts a list of startup programs kept somewhere.  I can't
find it.

I have had the following script line suggested to me.

xev | grep -m 1 ReparentNotify; firefox & xchat-gnome &


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Re: Trying to find startup script that loads appliecations in the gnome-sessons app ?!?

[Kevin Fenzi]

On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 15:53:54 -0400
William Case  wrote:

> Hi;
> 
> I want to add a line to the script that starts the programs listed in
> gnome-session-manager.  There must be (??) an rc.d script or something
> like it that starts a list of startup programs kept somewhere.  I
> can't find it.
> 
> I have had the following script line suggested to me.
> 
> xev | grep -m 1 ReparentNotify; firefox & xchat-gnome &

Lets step back a bit. What is your high level goal here?

gnome should remember and restart your firefox and xchat-gnome on
login. Does it not do so?

Or can you elaborate on what you are trying to do further?

kevin


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Re: Missing ephiphany plugin?

[stan]

I respond to your heartfelt plea. :-)

On Thu, 8 Jul 2010 14:33:47 -0400
Steve Blackwell  wrote:

> On Wed, 7 Jul 2010 08:53:54 -0400
> Steve Blackwell  wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, 6 Jul 2010 22:09:31 -0400
> > Steve Blackwell  wrote:
> > 
> > > I think I'm missing a plugin or two for ephiphany.
> > > 
> > > After upgrading from F11->F12 some web pages display blank areas
> > > where (presumably) a picture should be. An example is 
> > > 
> > > http://www.licklibrary.com/classifieds_rolandad.aspx
> > > 
F12 x86_64, Gnome.  Epiphany, which I don't use but have installed,
starts fine.  Upon loading the page above it gets a segmentation fault.
This could just have to do with configuration, but seems like a problem.
I think you should open a bugzilla.

> > BTW this page is OK in Firefox.
> > 
here too

> Hmmm... No answers. 
> 
> Perhaps it is because no one cares?

I suspect this is the right one.  I just don't use this browser, and
because FF works (for you too), it seems low priority.
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Trying to find startup script that loads appliecations in the gnome-sessons app ?!?

[JB]

William Case  rogers.com> writes:

> 
> Hi;
> 
> I want to add a line to the script that starts the programs listed in
> gnome-session-manager.  There must be (??) an rc.d script or something
> like it that starts a list of startup programs kept somewhere.  I can't
> find it.
> 
> I have had the following script line suggested to me.
> 
> xev | grep -m 1 ReparentNotify; firefox & xchat-gnome &
> 
I think it is done via
System -> Preferences -> Startup Applications
which is equivalent to /usr/bin/gnome-session-properties .
JB


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Fedora 13 - Shutdown works, but Restart Freezes??

[Michael D. Setzer II]

I installed Fedora 13 on a Gateway E2000 and have found that restart/reboot 
freezes, but a shutdown does a full power down correctly.

By default goes to the graphical screen, the same for both, but with 
shutdown, it says shutting down and then powers off. The restart shows the 
restarting message, but then stops responding. No keyboard lights change, 
no CTRL-ALT-DEL, nothing. Only a forced power off gets the machine going.

Tried it from a terminal window same results.
Tried reboot -f same results.
Even loaded busybox and used busybox reboot -f

Don't see anything in the log files...

It doesn't come up with an error on the reboot, so it seems to be shutting 
down correctly, but just not doing the final reboot process.

Thanks.

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Trying to find startup script that loads appliecations in the gnome-sessons app ?!?

[JB]

JB  gmail.com> writes:

> 
> William Case  rogers.com> writes:
> 
> > 
> > Hi;
> > 
> > I want to add a line to the script that starts the programs listed in
> > gnome-session-manager.  There must be (??) an rc.d script or something
> > like it that starts a list of startup programs kept somewhere.  I can't
> > find it.
> > 
> > I have had the following script line suggested to me.
> > 
> > xev | grep -m 1 ReparentNotify; firefox & xchat-gnome &
> > 
> I think it is done via
> System -> Preferences -> Startup Applications
> which is equivalent to /usr/bin/gnome-session-properties .
> JB
> 
One more possibility, if you insist on scripts:
ls -al /etc/X11/xinit/
There you find Xclients script that is a driver for dir Xclients.d
that may contain custom scripts.
ls -al /etc/X11/xinit/Xclients.d/
So place your script in there.
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Re: Fedora 13 - Shutdown works, but Restart Freezes??

[Kevin Fenzi]

On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 14:02:51 -0700
"Michael D. Setzer II"  wrote:

> I installed Fedora 13 on a Gateway E2000 and have found that
> restart/reboot freezes, but a shutdown does a full power down
> correctly.
> 
> By default goes to the graphical screen, the same for both, but with 
> shutdown, it says shutting down and then powers off. The restart
> shows the restarting message, but then stops responding. No keyboard
> lights change, no CTRL-ALT-DEL, nothing. Only a forced power off gets
> the machine going.
> 
> Tried it from a terminal window same results.
> Tried reboot -f same results.
> Even loaded busybox and used busybox reboot -f
> 
> Don't see anything in the log files...
> 
> It doesn't come up with an error on the reboot, so it seems to be
> shutting down correctly, but just not doing the final reboot process.

Try the suggestions at: 

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/KernelCommonProblems#System_hangs_on_reboot

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Re: Trying to find startup script that loads appliecations in the gnome-sessons app ?!?

[William Case]

On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 14:06 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 15:53:54 -0400
> William Case  wrote:
> 

> > xev | grep -m 1 ReparentNotify; firefox & xchat-gnome &
> 
> Lets step back a bit. What is your high level goal here?

Looking for a more elegant solution than just writing a 'sleep' script
to use in session-mangaer
> 
> gnome should remember and restart your firefox and xchat-gnome on
> login. Does it not do so?

Yes.

> 
> Or can you elaborate on what you are trying to do further?

I am using compiz to place and position certain applications'windows.
Firefox and xchat-gnome start before compiz, and so aren't placed or
positioned properly at startup.

All other decorating takes place as soon as compiz is loaded; other
programs are placed and positioned properly but are initiated later in
the start process.  Firefox and xchat-gnome are placed and positioned
properly if closed and reopened.

I received the above suggested line from members of my local Lug after
about an hour conferring on xchat-gnome.


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Re: Problems when creating Live-boot usb stick

[JD]

  On 07/08/2010 06:08 AM, Richard Shaw wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 7:38 AM, Abu Attar Musharih
>   wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I made a live bootable  Fedora-13 on Buffalo 8G  usb stick  using Linux 
>> command
>>
>>> dd if=Fedora-13-i686-Live.iso of=/dev/sdb1
>> It was successful apart from no longer able to copy any file on  it.
>> The live Fedora only occupied 700M while the media is 8G.
>>
>> I got the following message when trying to copy  a file on it, even if
>> with the root privilege.
>>
>>>   cp mag01.doc /media/Fedora-13-i686-Live/
>> cp: cannot create regular file `/media/Fedora-13-i686-Live/mag01.doc':
>> Read-only file system
> When you copied the image directly onto the device you in effect
> destroyed the exisiting file system, that's the downside to using the
> "dd" method.
>
>> I removed any existing partition using /sbin/fdisk and  reformatted
>> with  command line
>>
>> /sbin/mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdb
>>
>> What I have now   is a single partition with only 6.8 Gb free space.
> I think you should have used:
>
> mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdb1
>
>> The question, how can I recover  the original volume amount, 8G. If
>> this is related to the file systems (ext3), which one should I choose
>> so the volume get back to the original.
>>
>> Thanks for any kind of response.
> You seem to be fairly comfortable using the command line, but a
> graphical tool would make this much easier to see what's going on. I
> would install "gparted" if you're using gnome or "qtparted" and
> repartition&  reformat from there.
>
> Also, if you would like to have access from a windows machine I would
> reformat as FAT32. Actually in retrospect, I believe the
> liveusb-creator tool[1] will format it for you and will allow you to
> setup a persistent overlay so changes can be saved. Keep in mind it's
> not that intelligent, from what I understand it just records block
> changes from the livecd image and does not reuse any part of the
> overlay, i.e. changes will continue to be tracked until the entire
> overlay is used up at which point it is automatically dropped as a
> fail-safe.
>
> Richard
>
> [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraLiveCD/USBHowTo
Just install liveusb-creator-3.9.2-1.fc13.noarch
and it will install the iso you select onto the usb stick.
I have used it to install F13 onto a usb stick and it works;
albeit - slower than a slug!
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Re: Trying to find startup script that loads appliecations in the gnome-sessons app ?!?

[Kevin Fenzi]

On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 17:32:25 -0400
William Case  wrote:

...snip...

> > Or can you elaborate on what you are trying to do further?
> 
> I am using compiz to place and position certain applications'windows.
> Firefox and xchat-gnome start before compiz, and so aren't placed or
> positioned properly at startup.
> 
> All other decorating takes place as soon as compiz is loaded; other
> programs are placed and positioned properly but are initiated later in
> the start process.  Firefox and xchat-gnome are placed and positioned
> properly if closed and reopened.
> 
> I received the above suggested line from members of my local Lug after
> about an hour conferring on xchat-gnome.

How about taking a look at devilspie? 

% yum info devilspie

Name   : devilspie
Arch   : x86_64
Version: 0.22
Release: 5.fc13
Size   : 106 k
Repo   : installed
From repo  : fedora
Summary: A window-matching utility
URL: http://www.burtonini.com/blog/computers/devilspie
License: GPLv2+
Description: A window-matching utility, inspired by Sawfish's "Matched Windows" 
option and
   : the lack such functionality in Metacity. Devil's Pie can be 
configured to
   : detect windows as they are created, and match the window to a set 
of rules.
   : If the window matches the rules, it can perform a series of 
actions on that
   : window.

You may be able to get it to move or setup the windows the way you want?

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Re: Converting DVD copy to AVI

[JD]

  On 07/08/2010 10:21 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> I have a DVD structure (VIDEO_TS etc. etc.) on my hard disk and would
> like to convert the main feature to an AVI file, i.e. basically what
> rippers do but without the physical DVD. I know I can use ffmpeg or
> transcode to convert individual VOB files, but this seems error prone
> (e.g. how do I know I got all of the main feature?). Does anyone have a
> script for this sort of thing? Unfortunately K3B is no good as it
> insists on there being a physical DVD to rip from.
>
> poc
>
There are several DVD rippers, but I do not know if any
of them can rip on a DVD structured dir on disk into an AVI
or WMV file.

How about creating an iso image of it (mkiso), burn it onto DVD
and then rip the DVD into an AVI file?

It is kludgy to be sure :)


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Re: Trying to find startup script that loads appliecations in the gnome-sessons app ?!?

[Phil Meyer]

On 07/08/2010 03:32 PM, William Case wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 14:06 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 15:53:54 -0400
>> William Case  wrote:
>>
>>  
>
>>> xev | grep -m 1 ReparentNotify; firefox&  xchat-gnome&
>>>
>> Lets step back a bit. What is your high level goal here?
>>  
> Looking for a more elegant solution than just writing a 'sleep' script
> to use in session-mangaer
>
>> gnome should remember and restart your firefox and xchat-gnome on
>> login. Does it not do so?
>>  
> Yes.
>
>
>> Or can you elaborate on what you are trying to do further?
>>  
> I am using compiz to place and position certain applications'windows.
> Firefox and xchat-gnome start before compiz, and so aren't placed or
> positioned properly at startup.
>
>
snip

You can load the compiz fusion icon in your session startup before 
anything else.

For me, compiz starts just after gnome-terminal, and gets all my windows 
in the right places, including firefox, about 75% of the time.  When it 
does not work just right are times when application pop ups get obscured.

I am also interested in getting it to be a bit more accurate ...

Good luck, and I will be looking for answers as well.

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Re: Converting DVD copy to AVI

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 14:40 -0700, JD wrote:
> How about creating an iso image of it (mkiso), burn it onto DVD
> and then rip the DVD into an AVI file?

The reason I'm doing this is that I'm having trouble with my DVD burner.

poc

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Re: Converting DVD copy to AVI [SOLVED]

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 12:43 -0700, Michael Miles wrote:
> The support for avi files is WINFF as it is the front end for mencoder
> that I use and works very well
> 
> If you need to play these an a Stanalone DVD player then yes you need 
> avi files Kdenlive is another media type program that does more than
> just conversion but the one I use is Avidemux. It is a bit complex but
> extremely powerful.

I have winff, kdenlive and avidemux. AFAIK none of them can handle an
existing on-disk DVD structure. I guess there's not much demand for
this.

> The easiest to use is Handbrake but avi support is nil even though it 
> says it handles them
> 
> The need for standalone players to support MKV x264 is needed and they
> are out there but expensive h264 in the mkv container is the best
> format yet

Most of the current standalone players with USB inputs seem to handle
this. My player is a few years old so it doesn't.

poc

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Re: Fedora 13 - Shutdown works, but Restart Freezes??

[Michael D. Setzer II]

On 8 Jul 2010 at 15:18, Kevin Fenzi wrote:

Date sent:  Thu, 8 Jul 2010 15:18:34 -0600
From:   Kevin Fenzi 
To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
Subject:Re: Fedora 13 - Shutdown works, but Restart Freezes??
Organization:   Scrye
Send reply to:  Community support for Fedora users 




> On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 14:02:51 -0700
> "Michael D. Setzer II"  wrote:
> 
> > I installed Fedora 13 on a Gateway E2000 and have found that
> > restart/reboot freezes, but a shutdown does a full power down
> > correctly.
> > 
> > By default goes to the graphical screen, the same for both, but with 
> > shutdown, it says shutting down and then powers off. The restart
> > shows the restarting message, but then stops responding. No keyboard
> > lights change, no CTRL-ALT-DEL, nothing. Only a forced power off gets
> > the machine going.
> > 
> > Tried it from a terminal window same results.
> > Tried reboot -f same results.
> > Even loaded busybox and used busybox reboot -f
> > 
> > Don't see anything in the log files...
> > 
> > It doesn't come up with an error on the reboot, so it seems to be
> > shutting down correctly, but just not doing the final reboot process.
> 
> Try the suggestions at: 
> 
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/KernelCommonProblems#System_hangs_on_reboot

The reboot=b seems to fix the problem, but the reboot option seems to work 
just fine with all the kernels I've built for my g4l project from kernel.org on 
the 
same machine, so why does the Fedora kernel do this?

Thanks.

> 
> kevin
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Re: Problems when creating Live-boot usb stick

[Steven I Usdansky]

- Original Message 

> From: fred smith 
> To: Community support for Fedora users 
> Sent: Thu, July 8, 2010 2:15:59 PM
> Subject: Re: Problems when creating Live-boot usb stick
> 
> A few  months ago I did an actual install onto a USB stick, rather than
> one of the  live CD on USB things. this allowed me to have the full size
> of the usb stick  as a "hard drive" and it could be run just like a "normal"
> installation and  updated just like one too.
> 
> I did it with the "install to hard disk"  function of the LIVE CD, but I'd
> expect an install from a cd/dvd (non-live)  to work just as well.
> 
> I've never seen anyone suggest this method, so I  don't know what the 
> drawbacks are, all I know is it worked for what I  needed.
> 
I've done it (with the LXDE spin), and I like it.
The only annoyance is that the standard desktop Live CD insists it
needs 4GB for an installation, which is utterly ridiculous. My so-called
4GB flash drive shows up as 3.8GB, which means it doesn't work. A basic
installation off a Live CD onto my hard drive has been just under 2GB.
I don't need the kitchen sink on my flash drive, I don't want the
kitchen sink on my flash drive, but if the filesystem, complete with
bootloader, fits on a 2GB flash drive, I want to be able to install
it on a 2GB flash drive



  
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Re: Fedora 13 - Shutdown works, but Restart Freezes??

[Kevin Fenzi]

On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 15:09:38 -0700
"Michael D. Setzer II"  wrote:

> On 8 Jul 2010 at 15:18, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
>
> > Try the suggestions at: 
> > 
> > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/KernelCommonProblems#System_hangs_on_reboot
> 
> The reboot=b seems to fix the problem, but the reboot option seems to
> work just fine with all the kernels I've built for my g4l project
> from kernel.org on the same machine, so why does the Fedora kernel do
> this?

I would guess either: 

a) a patch in the Fedora kernel is behaving oddly with your hardware. 

and/or

b) a config option is different. You can look at the fedora config
in /boot/config*

PS: No need to reply direct to me on mailing list posts, I'm subscribed
to the list too. ;) 

kevin



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Problem with tarring out a tar file

[JD]

  Hi,
I had downloaded a zip file under windows and unzipped it.
No problems.
The file names in the zipped archive are long german names, so
they are displayed with special chars embedded in the file names
and directory names, like
Barrè
Mächter
among others.

So I tarred out the whole directory into a tar file.
Later I moved that tar file to another mounted partition.
I cd'ed to the mounted partition and tried to untar it:
tar xpvf my-tar-ball.tar

For every file in the tarball, tar outputs the message
<.long...filename>:  No such file or directory.

Any clues why this is happening?

Thanx,

JD

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Re: Trying to find startup script that loads appliecations in the gnome-sessons app ?!?

[William Case]

On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 15:42 -0600, Phil Meyer wrote:
> On 07/08/2010 03:32 PM, William Case wrote:
> > On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 14:06 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 15:53:54 -0400
> >> William Case  wrote:
> >>
> >>  
> >
> >>> xev | grep -m 1 ReparentNotify; firefox&  xchat-gnome&
> >>>
> >> Lets step back a bit. What is your high level goal here?
> >>  
> > Looking for a more elegant solution than just writing a 'sleep' script
> > to use in session-mangaer
> >
> >> gnome should remember and restart your firefox and xchat-gnome on
> >> login. Does it not do so?
> >>  
> > Yes.
> >
> >
> >> Or can you elaborate on what you are trying to do further?
> >>  
> > I am using compiz to place and position certain applications'windows.
> > Firefox and xchat-gnome start before compiz, and so aren't placed or
> > positioned properly at startup.
> >
> >
> snip
> 
> You can load the compiz fusion icon in your session startup before 
> anything else.
> 
> For me, compiz starts just after gnome-terminal, and gets all my windows 
> in the right places, including firefox, about 75% of the time.  When it 
> does not work just right are times when application pop ups get obscured.
> 
> I am also interested in getting it to be a bit more accurate ...
> 
> Good luck, and I will be looking for answers as well.
> 

In Fedora 12 I found that positioning and placing worked (or didn't
work) depending on whether I was relogging in or re-starting.
Determined that I should fix it in Fedora 13.  Just to keep the eye
candy nice.  It is no longer eye candy if you have to futz with it.



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Re: Trying to find startup script that loads appliecations in the gnome-sessons app ?!?

[William Case]

On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 15:37 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 17:32:25 -0400
> William Case  wrote:
> 
> ...snip...
> 
> > > Or can you elaborate on what you are trying to do further?
> > 
> > I am using compiz to place and position certain applications'windows.
> > Firefox and xchat-gnome start before compiz, and so aren't placed or
> > positioned properly at startup.
> > 
> > All other decorating takes place as soon as compiz is loaded; other
> > programs are placed and positioned properly but are initiated later in
> > the start process.  Firefox and xchat-gnome are placed and positioned
> > properly if closed and reopened.
> > 
> > I received the above suggested line from members of my local Lug after
> > about an hour conferring on xchat-gnome.
> 
> How about taking a look at devilspie? 
> 
> % yum info devilspie
> 
> Name   : devilspie
> Arch   : x86_64
> Version: 0.22
> Release: 5.fc13
> Size   : 106 k
> Repo   : installed
> From repo  : fedora
> Summary: A window-matching utility
> URL: http://www.burtonini.com/blog/computers/devilspie
> License: GPLv2+
> Description: A window-matching utility, inspired by Sawfish's "Matched 
> Windows" option and
>: the lack such functionality in Metacity. Devil's Pie can be 
> configured to
>: detect windows as they are created, and match the window to a 
> set of rules.
>: If the window matches the rules, it can perform a series of 
> actions on that
>: window.
> 
> You may be able to get it to move or setup the windows the way you want?

Used devilspie in the past.  Prefer most other things that compiz has.


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Re: Problem with tarring out a tar file

[Kevin Fenzi]

On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 15:35:48 -0700
JD  wrote:

>   Hi,
> I had downloaded a zip file under windows and unzipped it.
> No problems.
> The file names in the zipped archive are long german names, so
> they are displayed with special chars embedded in the file names
> and directory names, like
> Barrè
> Mächter
> among others.
> 
> So I tarred out the whole directory into a tar file.
> Later I moved that tar file to another mounted partition.
> I cd'ed to the mounted partition and tried to untar it:
> tar xpvf my-tar-ball.tar
> 
> For every file in the tarball, tar outputs the message
> <.long...filename>:  No such file or directory.
> 
> Any clues why this is happening?

What filesystem type is the directory you are untarring it on? 

Is it by change a fat/vfat or the like? It may well not be able to
handle utf8 encoded filenames. 

kevin


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Re: Problem with tarring out a tar file

[jack craig]

On 07/08/2010 03:35 PM, JD wrote:
>Hi,
> I had downloaded a zip file under windows and unzipped it.
> No problems.
> The file names in the zipped archive are long german names, so
> they are displayed with special chars embedded in the file names
> and directory names, like
> Barrè
> Mächter
> among others.
>
> So I tarred out the whole directory into a tar file.
> Later I moved that tar file to another mounted partition.
> I cd'ed to the mounted partition and tried to untar it:
> tar xpvf my-tar-ball.tar
>
> For every file in the tarball, tar outputs the message
> <.long...filename>:  No such file or directory.
>
> Any clues why this is happening?
>
> Thanx,
>
> JD
>
>
what does

$tar tvf my-tar-ball.tar

say??


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Paltalk on Fedora

[Mike Chambers]

Has anyone gotten paltalk scene to install/work on fedora, and assuming
wine?  I must be an idiot cuz I got wine installed but it wouldn't
install the/any programs, as kept getting "couldnt' start/run start.exe"
or something along those lines.  

I used to use the paltalk express to get on, using flash 10.0.45 I think
but paltalk doesn't seem to recognize that version the last week or so.
And if I try to install flash 10.1 (on a 64 bit system) using
nspluginwrapper it eventually gets on, but the number pad on my keyboard
stopped working and few other things.  Just didn't seem like everything
worked doing it that way.

And no pidgin doesn't work with paltalk as have seen on the internet
while googling this problem.

Soo, any ideas?

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Re: Converting DVD copy to AVI [SOLVED]

[Michael Miles]

On 07/08/2010 03:06 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 12:43 -0700, Michael Miles wrote:
>
>> The support for avi files is WINFF as it is the front end for mencoder
>> that I use and works very well
>>
>> If you need to play these an a Stanalone DVD player then yes you need
>> avi files Kdenlive is another media type program that does more than
>> just conversion but the one I use is Avidemux. It is a bit complex but
>> extremely powerful.
>>  
> I have winff, kdenlive and avidemux. AFAIK none of them can handle an
> existing on-disk DVD structure. I guess there's not much demand for
> this.
>
>
>> The easiest to use is Handbrake but avi support is nil even though it
>> says it handles them
>>
>> The need for standalone players to support MKV x264 is needed and they
>> are out there but expensive h264 in the mkv container is the best
>> format yet
>>  
> Most of the current standalone players with USB inputs seem to handle
> this. My player is a few years old so it doesn't.
>
> poc
>
>
I just did a bit of experimenting and the closest I could get was VLC.

Under file select convert/stream
Point to your DVD TS folder and convert to a avi file

Takes forever but will do it.

For me I find the best way is to load the other os (Win 7 or XP) into 
virtual box and install DVDFAB Platinum and go for it.

I cringe at having to run a Windows product but for graphics Windows is 
very much in the lead because of the companies that write for Windows.

Good Luck Poc
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Re: [Bulk] Re: Trying to find startup script that loads appliecations in the gnome-sessons app ?!?

[William Case]

On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 17:32 -0400, William Case wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 14:06 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> > On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 15:53:54 -0400
> > William Case  wrote:
> > 
> 
> > > xev | grep -m 1 ReparentNotify; firefox & xchat-gnome &

I have the following script in /usr/bin/compiz-gtk

#!/bin/bash

function runCompiz() {
gtk-window-decorator &
if ( [ -e /usr/lib/compizconfig/backends/libgconf.so ] ||
[ -e /usr/lib64/compizconfig/backends/libgconf.so ] )
then
exec compiz --ignore-desktop-hints ccp $@
else
exec compiz --ignore-desktop-hints glib gconf
gnomecompat $@
fi
}

ISSW=`glxinfo | grep "Software Rasterizer" -c`

# Try with direct rendering
HAVETFP=`glxinfo | grep texture_from_pixmap -c`

if ( [ $ISSW == 0 ] && [ $HAVETFP -gt 2 ] ); then 
runCompiz $@
fi

# Try again with indirect rendering
export LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=1

HAVETFP=`glxinfo | grep texture_from_pixmap -c`

if ( [ $ISSW == 0 ] && [ $HAVETFP -gt 2 ] ); then 
runCompiz $@
fi

# Fall back to metacity
exec metacity $@

I was thinking of inserting the above xev line in here somewhere before
runCompiz function. Or perhaps as a separate function.  But I can't find
where compiz-gtk gets called from on startup.


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Re: Problem with tarring out a tar file

[JD]

  On 07/08/2010 03:56 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 15:35:48 -0700
> JD  wrote:
>
>>Hi,
>> I had downloaded a zip file under windows and unzipped it.
>> No problems.
>> The file names in the zipped archive are long german names, so
>> they are displayed with special chars embedded in the file names
>> and directory names, like
>> Barrè
>> Mächter
>> among others.
>>
>> So I tarred out the whole directory into a tar file.
>> Later I moved that tar file to another mounted partition.
>> I cd'ed to the mounted partition and tried to untar it:
>> tar xpvf my-tar-ball.tar
>>
>> For every file in the tarball, tar outputs the message
>> <.long...filename>:  No such file or directory.
>>
>> Any clues why this is happening?
> What filesystem type is the directory you are untarring it on?
>
> Is it by change a fat/vfat or the like? It may well not be able to
> handle utf8 encoded filenames.
>
> kevin
The partition I am untarring into is an ext4 partition.

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Re: Problem with tarring out a tar file

[JD]

  On 07/08/2010 04:13 PM, jack craig wrote:
>
> On 07/08/2010 03:35 PM, JD wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I had downloaded a zip file under windows and unzipped it.
>> No problems.
>> The file names in the zipped archive are long german names, so
>> they are displayed with special chars embedded in the file names
>> and directory names, like
>> Barrè
>> Mächter
>> among others.
>>
>> So I tarred out the whole directory into a tar file.
>> Later I moved that tar file to another mounted partition.
>> I cd'ed to the mounted partition and tried to untar it:
>> tar xpvf my-tar-ball.tar
>>
>> For every file in the tarball, tar outputs the message
>> <.long...filename>:  No such file or directory.
>>
>> Any clues why this is happening?
>>
>> Thanx,
>>
>> JD
>>
>>
> what does
>
> $tar tvf my-tar-ball.tar
>
> say??
>
>
It displays all the long dir and file names.

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Re: Problem with tarring out a tar file

[Les]

On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 16:13 -0700, jack craig wrote:
> 
> On 07/08/2010 03:35 PM, JD wrote:
> >Hi,
> > I had downloaded a zip file under windows and unzipped it.
> > No problems.
> > The file names in the zipped archive are long german names, so
> > they are displayed with special chars embedded in the file names
> > and directory names, like
> > Barrè
> > Mächter
> > among others.
> >
> > So I tarred out the whole directory into a tar file.
> > Later I moved that tar file to another mounted partition.
> > I cd'ed to the mounted partition and tried to untar it:
> > tar xpvf my-tar-ball.tar
> >
> > For every file in the tarball, tar outputs the message
> > <.long...filename>:  No such file or directory.
> >
> > Any clues why this is happening?
> >
> > Thanx,
> >
> > JD
> >
> >
> what does
> 
> $tar tvf my-tar-ball.tar
> 
> say

You might also check the file system type you moved it to.  If you moved
it to a FAT16 or FAT32 volume, you might not have gotten all the file as
FAT16 has a 2G file size limitation.  Don't know FAT32 restriction, but
I suspect it is larger, but still might not hold your tar-ball.

Regards,
Les H


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FYI, Updated Adobe Air Now Works

[Fedora User]

For those of you who wanted to install TweetDeck of Seesmic, with a
recent update, Adobe Air now works perfectly on F13, BTW, I still
prefer Choquok.
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Re: Problem with tarring out a tar file

[JD]

  On 07/08/2010 05:25 PM, Les wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 16:13 -0700, jack craig wrote:
>> On 07/08/2010 03:35 PM, JD wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> I had downloaded a zip file under windows and unzipped it.
>>> No problems.
>>> The file names in the zipped archive are long german names, so
>>> they are displayed with special chars embedded in the file names
>>> and directory names, like
>>> Barrè
>>> Mächter
>>> among others.
>>>
>>> So I tarred out the whole directory into a tar file.
>>> Later I moved that tar file to another mounted partition.
>>> I cd'ed to the mounted partition and tried to untar it:
>>> tar xpvf my-tar-ball.tar
>>>
>>> For every file in the tarball, tar outputs the message
>>> <.long...filename>:  No such file or directory.
>>>
>>> Any clues why this is happening?
>>>
>>> Thanx,
>>>
>>> JD
>>>
>>>
>> what does
>>
>> $tar tvf my-tar-ball.tar
>>
>> say
> You might also check the file system type you moved it to.  If you moved
> it to a FAT16 or FAT32 volume, you might not have gotten all the file as
> FAT16 has a 2G file size limitation.  Don't know FAT32 restriction, but
> I suspect it is larger, but still might not hold your tar-ball.
>
> Regards,
> Les H
>
>
The files themselves are only a few (2 to 8) megabytes each.
So I do not believe it is the file size.
Perhaps there are some unprintable characters in the file
names or directory names that is preventing tar from creating
such files or directories.
At any rate - thanx to all who replied.
I will leave it on the windows ntfs partition.

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Re: Problem with tarring out a tar file

[Cameron Simpson]

On 08Jul2010 17:39, JD  wrote:
| The files themselves are only a few (2 to 8) megabytes each.
| So I do not believe it is the file size.
| Perhaps there are some unprintable characters in the file
| names or directory names that is preventing tar from creating
| such files or directories.

Shouldn't be - UNIX forbids only / and '\0' (NUL).

| At any rate - thanx to all who replied.
| I will leave it on the windows ntfs partition.

You could strace the unpack:

  strace -e trace=file tar xvf yourtarfile 2>strace.out

and then examine the open and mkdir calls in the "strace.out" file.
It will at least show you _exactly_ what tar is trying to do.
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Command Preference

[Alejandro Rodriguez Luna]

Hi all!!, i have a question related to the preference of a command.

What if I have 2 command like ls, one in /bin/ls and another in ~/bin/ls, i'd 
like to use my own ls, how i can do that?

putting PATH=~/bin:/bin. I mean, my path at the beginning?

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Re: Command Preference

[Kevin J. Cummings]

On 07/08/2010 10:15 PM, Alejandro Rodriguez Luna wrote:
> 
> Hi all!!, i have a question related to the preference of a command.
> 
> What if I have 2 command like ls, one in /bin/ls and another in
> ~/bin/ls, i'd like to use my own ls, how i can do that?
> 
> putting PATH=~/bin:/bin. I mean, my path at the beginning?

Setting your PATH environment variable is the preferred way to specify
command execution preferences.  The directories listed there get
"searched" in order looking for the command to run.  IIRC, shell builtin
commands get run before checking the PATH.

Don't forget to "export" your PATH variable during or after setting it
so that sub-shells can use the new value.

And don't forget to look at what your system is currently using for a
PATH as you don't want to break it with your changes

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Help with Research

[Iffat Jabeen]

Dear users of Gnu/Linux,

Do you use Gnu/Linux? Do you consider yourself part of a larger
Gnu/Linux free and open source software community? Whether you've just
starting clicking around in Ubuntu or you've been tweaking your kernel
for years, we are interested in learning about if, and how, you've
learned (and possibly taught) as part of the Gnu/Linux community.

As part of our graduate studies, we, Don Davis and Iffat Jabeen, are
compiling a survey of Gnu/Linux users and their possible learning
experiences within the context of the Gnu/Linux FOSS community. The
results of the study will be presented to other Education Technologists
and may further the education world's  understanding of the Gnu/Linux
community.

Please share your experiences via the following link:
http://survey.education.txstate.edu/mrIWeb/mrIWeb.dll?I.Project=LPP

Your assistance in distributing the survey link to LUGs and  Gnu/Linux
oriented forums is greatly appreciated.

Thank you for your time,

Don Davis and Iffat Jabeen
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Re: Converting DVD copy to AVI

[A. Racca]

On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 14:40 -0700, JD wrote:
> On 07/08/2010 10:21 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > I have a DVD structure (VIDEO_TS etc. etc.) on my hard disk and would
> > like to convert the main feature to an AVI file, i.e. basically what
> > rippers do but without the physical DVD. I know I can use ffmpeg or
> > transcode to convert individual VOB files, but this seems error prone
> > (e.g. how do I know I got all of the main feature?). Does anyone have a
> > script for this sort of thing? Unfortunately K3B is no good as it
> > insists on there being a physical DVD to rip from.
> >
> > poc
> >
> There are several DVD rippers, but I do not know if any
> of them can rip on a DVD structured dir on disk into an AVI
> or WMV file.

You can install ogmrip from rpmfusion, it handles a structured DVD
directory.

> How about creating an iso image of it (mkiso), burn it onto DVD
> and then rip the DVD into an AVI file?
> 
> It is kludgy to be sure :)

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