Save stack in HTML5

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

I made progress getting the basic stack going, the main hold ups were ‘wait' 
and 'the system date', neither of those work.

What approach is needed if the stack has text entry that you want to persist 
when the page is reloaded? Save this stack seems not to work. 
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Re: Problems locating Android SDK

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

In Finder there is a Go menu, in which you can Go to Folder… Then you type in 
the path to the hidden user library to get there. The same thing works in open 
dialogs. When you are pointing LiveCode to the Android SDK, type 
command-shift-g, and put in:

~/Library/Android/sdk/

That path isn’t exactly right I’m sure, LiveCode doesn’t recognize it as valid 
Android SDK root. It’s been a few years since I had to set that path.


> On Apr 5, 2020, at 3:25 PM, Skip Kimpel via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I am relatively new to Mac so if this is an easy fix, sorry for asking.  I
> have installed Android Studio and the SDK is located in my user/library
> directory.  I figured out how to reveal the library folder using Finder but
> when I try to browse to the SDK location in Livecode settings, I am not
> able to get there.
> 
> Can anybody help?  This is driving me nuts because I  know it is a quick
> fix.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
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Re: Problems locating Android SDK

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

I manually downloaded Tools from here:

https://developer.android.com/studio

And put it into the SDK folder. LiveCode is still not happy.


> On Apr 5, 2020, at 4:09 PM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Skip,
> 
> the problem is that Android Studio 3.6.x does not install Android command 
> line tools by default.
> 
> this is an excerpt of the update LC lesson 
> http://lessons.livecode.com/m/2571/l/625198-livecode-and-android-studio
> 
> 
> 
> Update: Android Studio 3.6 has stopped to install the android command line 
> tools by default. These tools were stored in the 
> /Users/youruser/Library/Android/sdk/tools folder, and contained some 
> necessary jar files that are needed to build for Android.
> 
> You can still force Android Studio 3.6 to download these tools:
> 
> - Launch Android Studio and go to Configure -> "SDK Manager"
> 
> - In the new window open "System Settings -> Android SDK". 
> 
> - From there pick the tab "SDK Tools". 
> 
> - Uncheck the "Hide Obsolete Packages" option in the bottom of the window. 
> 
> - Now there should appear a new option: "Android SDK Tools (Obsolete)" - 
> check that, hit "Apply" - it will download the files and "Tools" folder will 
> appear in the /Users/youruser/Library/Android/sdk/ folder:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> HTH,
> 
> -
> Matthias Rebbe
> Life Is Too Short For Boring Code
> 
>> Am 05.04.2020 um 23:55 schrieb Skip Kimpel via use-livecode 
>> :
>> 
>> Very helpful, thank you Colin. and I knew it would not be that easy.
>> Now I get a message that says "The chosen folder is not a valid Android
>> SDK.  Please ensure you have installed it correctly, and enabled support
>> for 9.0 (api 28).   I went back into Android Studio and verified the path
>> was correct and that I had checked the box for version 9.0, which I had.
>> Any other suggestions for this new phase I am stuck at?
>> 
>> SKIP
>> 
>> On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 5:47 PM Colin Holgate via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> In Finder there is a Go menu, in which you can Go to Folder… Then you type
>>> in the path to the hidden user library to get there. The same thing works
>>> in open dialogs. When you are pointing LiveCode to the Android SDK, type
>>> command-shift-g, and put in:
>>> 
>>> ~/Library/Android/sdk/
>>> 
>>> That path isn’t exactly right I’m sure, LiveCode doesn’t recognize it as
>>> valid Android SDK root. It’s been a few years since I had to set that path.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 5, 2020, at 3:25 PM, Skip Kimpel via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I am relatively new to Mac so if this is an easy fix, sorry for asking.
>>> I
>>>> have installed Android Studio and the SDK is located in my user/library
>>>> directory.  I figured out how to reveal the library folder using Finder
>>> but
>>>> when I try to browse to the SDK location in Livecode settings, I am not
>>>> able to get there.
>>>> 
>>>> Can anybody help?  This is driving me nuts because I  know it is a quick
>>>> fix.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> 
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Re: Problems locating Android SDK

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

You could give the path that you are using. Also, did you have to set up any 
virtual machines? Long ago LiveCode was only happy if you had an Android 2.2 
virtual device.


> On Apr 5, 2020, at 6:36 PM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Mine is working, I'm wondering if I can put it a dropbox for you. (4.6 GB) Or 
> does it put your "machine signature" on it  when you install it.  I remember 
> having to "down grade it"  to build-tools 29.0.01 to get it to be seen by LC,
> 
> BR
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 4/5/20, 12:46 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of Skip Kimpel via 
> use-livecode"  use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>okay, glad it is not just me then.
> 
>SKIP
> 
> 
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Re: Problems locating Android SDK

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That link does work, and helps to solve the problem. The current Android Studio 
comes with Android 10 installed, and LiveCode needs Android 9.


> On Apr 6, 2020, at 10:14 AM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'm setting up a new machine for Android development.
> 
> Where is the one-page list of steps on the livecode.com site that reliably 
> guides a new user through this for all supported platforms (Mac, Win, Linux)?
> 
> This one fails:
> http://lessons.livecode.com/m/2571/l/625198-livecode-and-android-studio
> 
> 
> #CriticalDocumentationBugsThatTurnOffNewUsers
> 
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Re: Problems locating Android SDK

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

You may have read the path where tools are as being where you need to point 
LiveCode to. Point LiveCode to ~/Library/Android/SDK, and not 
~/Library/Android/SDK/Tools


> On Apr 6, 2020, at 11:32 AM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Colin Holgate wrote:
> 
> > On Apr 6, 2020, at 10:14 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm setting up a new machine for Android development.
> >>
> >> Where is the one-page list of steps on the livecode.com site that
> >> reliably guides a new user through this for all supported platforms
> >> (Mac, Win, Linux)?
> >>
> >> This one fails:
> >> http://lessons.livecode.com/m/2571/l/625198-livecode-and-android-studio
> >
> > That link does work, and helps to solve the problem. The current
> > Android Studio comes with Android 10 installed, and LiveCode needs
> > Android 9.
> 
> The link itself works, in that it goes to a page. :)
> 
> But I have followed its instructions to install Android 9, and pointed my LC 
> prefs to the folder shown in the screen shot, and LC reports:
> 
>  The chosen folder is not a valid Android SDK. Please
>  ensure that you have installed it correctly, and enabled
>  support for 9.0 (API 28)
> 
> 
> When I run Android Studio it all seems to work.  But LC says it doesn't.
> 
> What did I miss?
> 
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Re: Video format for mobile

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QuickTime Player can play it, but it doesn’t need QuickTime.

I’m not sure what player LiveCode uses on Android, but it is highly likely to 
be able to cope.

Is the LC Player an existing Android app?

> On Apr 8, 2020, at 5:10 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I asked this before, looking for the best format for video files on both 
> Android and iOS. Colin suggested H.264 as the codec, and MP4 as the file 
> format. I have a video with those specs but it won't play in the LC player, 
> and the Mac wants to open it with QuickTime. VLC will play it.
> 
> Get Info shows the codec as H.264, AAC. The file extension is mp4. Is AAC the 
> problem (that's the audio format, right?) What should it be?
> 
> I haven't tried it on mobile yet, but if it needs QT I'm pretty sure it won't 
> work.
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Re: Video format for mobile

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A long time ago it was possible to work around hardware acceleration issues by 
playing the video at a different size. That is, a 1920x1080 playback would fail 
and a 1920x1081 would work. It was just a trick to force the player to use 
software instead of hardware.


> On Apr 9, 2020, at 2:36 PM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> This sounds like a bug we are currently fixing (hopefully in time for 
> 9.6-DP-4) - the android player doesn’t currently play nicely with accelerated 
> rendering... Turning that off should mean things play properly.
> 
> We use the system player object so MP4 should be fine.
> 
> Warmest Regards,
> 
> Mark.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 9 Apr 2020, at 20:31, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I tried the browser widget: no audio, no video, white screen, no browser 
>> outline on Android.
>> 
>> I tried a mobile browser (mobileControlCreate): audio plays, no video, white 
>> screen.
>> 
>> So yeah, it looks like there's no codec. The widget on desktop doesn't play 
>> it either. If I ask the client to re-do the videos, what codec should I ask 
>> for? I was told that we had to use their existing videos, so I'm not even 
>> sure they will re-do them.
>> 
>>> On 4/9/20 1:01 PM, Tom Glod via use-livecode wrote:
>>> I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news here.  :(
>>> if its h264 the browser widget won't play it. If you saw video but no audio
>>> then thats one thing.but no video means the video codec is also absent.
 On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 1:57 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
 use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
 They're kind of huge (like 400 MB) so I didn't copy them to my phone, but
 they play okay on Mac
 using Firefox and on Android using Chrome browser. I guess that doesn't
 tell us much.
 
 Swami suggested to me privately that he uses a browser widget to play
 videos so I will try that
 next.
 
 On 4/9/20 9:20 AM, Mark Talluto via use-livecode wrote:
> What happens if you play the file locally on each device?
> 
> -Mark
> 
> On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 10:22 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Not sure what you mean by "an existing app" but my test app uses
>> mobileControlCreate to set up
>> a mobile player. When it accesses the video from my server, it's all
 black
>> with no video or
>> audio, and the nonexistent playback quits a few seconds in.
>> 
>> I'm not sure whether these videos were created with streaming in mind. I
>> vaguely remember we
>> used to need to set a "streaming" checkbox when creating a video. Is
 that
>> still required?
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Re: Video format for mobile

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Only H.264/AAC is acceptable!

Have you tried setting hardware acceleration rendering to be on?

Have you tried including a small video file in the app, to help rule out 
security issues?


> On Apr 9, 2020, at 4:10 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 4/9/20 3:41 PM, Colin Holgate via use-livecode wrote:
>> A long time ago it was possible to work around hardware acceleration issues 
>> by playing the video at a different size. That is, a 1920x1080 playback 
>> would fail and a 1920x1081 would work. It was just a trick to force the 
>> player to use software instead of hardware.
> 
> 
> I have a hard deadline in a short time. If necessary we'll have to convert at 
> least a few of the videos to something else if the problem isn't resolved by 
> dp4.
> 
> What codec is acceptable?
> 
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Re: Mobile screen sizes - another naive question

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That description doesn’t seem correct. It partly depends on the aspect ratio of 
the card. With showAll you know that all of the card area will be visible. With 
noBorder you know that there will not be any black borders to the left and 
right, or top and bottom of the card area.

So, with showAll either the width of the card will fill the width of the 
screen, or the height of the card will fit the height of the screen (or both 
could be true). The other axis will reveal what was off the edges of the card 
window.

With noBorder the same width and height matching will happen, but the other 
axis will cut into the card area instead of revealing what was outside of the 
card area.

> On Apr 10, 2020, at 2:53 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> It's similar to noBorder, but noBorder scales to the short side of the 
> screenrect and showAll scales to the long side (regardless of orientation.)
> 
> I think. I get those two mixed up.
> 
> On 4/10/20 1:14 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
>> Good catch. It would be great if the Lessons were in Github so they could be 
>> enhanced by the community. I guess for now a comment there is the only 
>> mechanism for filing enhancement requests.
>> How does showAll differ from the options shown there?
> 
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Re: Go to card has become slow

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I have an interest in this topic, and even some ideas, but I’ve been swamped 
with other demands and not able to read every post. Is there a short way to say 
where you are at with the discussion, or a test script that will show a problem?
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Re: MP3s

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For AIFF and WAV the file size is affected by the sample rate, number of bits, 
and number of channels. For MP3, only the data rate determines the file size.


> On Apr 12, 2020, at 12:32 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
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> 
> On 4/12/20 11:07 AM, Richmond via use-livecode wrote:
> 
>> "Just for fun" I exported a sound file as WAV, AIFF and MP3 using Audacity"
>> WAV 36.9 MB
>> AIFF  36.9 MB
>> MP3  4.4 MB
>> which means that WAV and AIFF stink about 9 times more than MP3
> 
> For the record, mp3 is a lossy format while WAV and AIFF are lossless. And 
> your file size will depend on the bitness of the compaction.
> 
>> NWO: as Audacity is Open Source: https://www.audacityteam.org/
>> and can import, read and export sound files in MP3 format . . .
> 
> The mp3 format used to be "protected" by patent licensing but was set free a 
> few years ago, so is now available for general use.
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Re: MP3s

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I don’t know where it is now, probably lost, but I had a JVC quadraphonic 8 
Track player. It could play regular 8 Track, which involved playing two tracks 
on the first loop and the other two tracks on the second loop, or it could play 
the four tracks in one loop. I only had a few tapes for it, one of those was a 
special recording of The Six Wives of Henry the Eighth, by Rick Wakeman.


> On Apr 13, 2020, at 9:40 AM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Graham Samuel wrote:
> 
> > Well, Richard, as usual you say something informative and useful!
> >
> > I didn’t know that LC could play a sound file in MP3 format.
> 
> LC's Player control uses the host OS's playback engine, so as long as the 
> OS-supplied media player can handle a format, LC should be able to as well.
> 
> 
> > Instinctively I thought that an audioclip was the way to go, because I
> > saw it as a small chunk of data best embedded in my app. In my mind,
> > the format of an external file trades flexibility (the user or the app
> > can switch content easily) against a massive overhead of storage and
> > software mechanics and potential delays due to loading etc, whereas
> > the audioclip is small, clean, and can be started and stopped with no
> > overheads.
> 
> True, reading the media file takes a bit more time than a clip already in RAM 
> with the rest of the stack file.  But in many cases it's not noticeable.  And 
> where it is noticeable it probably has less to do with the file I/O than the 
> codec itself:  HC's SND resources had few compression options, and MC's 
> audioclips were limited to .au format, which IIRC isn't compressed at all.
> 
> It might be nice to see LC expand the internal clips options to support the 
> same range of formats/codecs the Player does. But even then it would be 
> limited to smaller files where it's practical to load them all into RAM with 
> the rest of the stack file, modestly useful for some projects but prohibitive 
> with longer files.
> 
> As for user modification, the files can be in the Mac bundle, and on Windows 
> usually an installer is required anyway so you can put them in any useful 
> place the user is unlikely to stumble across them accidentally (this isn't a 
> problem at all on Linix - the absence of a functional Player in that LC 
> version simplifies many things ).
> 
> I miss the simplicity of delivering true stand-alone apps, but with so many 
> of the most lauded features of LC 8-and-later having been implemented as 
> externals, adding some media files to the mix doesn't affect deployment 
> options much.
> 
> If there's a security or other concern requiring the files be protected from 
> user manipulation, there are options for that.  Like any DRM, there's usually 
> a tradeoff between strength and ease of implementation, but if it's needed we 
> can explore it.
> 
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Most obscure HC question

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

I fear that the HyperCard group in Yahoo may be lost. Please let me know if 
that isn’t true.

But between you all you may remember something that will help me. I have a 
standalone HC application, and it opens with a window that shows that you are 
only seeing part of the card window. The card window doesn’t resize, and I 
can’t remember how to make it be bigger. Here’s things that didn’t work:

Setting a ton of memory.
Setting Monitors to match the card size.
Resizing the preview rectangle. You can only resize it smaller.
Resizing the card window.
Clicking the zoom box.

As it’s a standalone application I can’t easily get at the stack, but feel sure 
there was a way to hack the stack out of a standalone.

Anyway, please enjoy the challenge of remembering this far back!

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Re: Most obscure HC question

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

That is the whole reference guide. I have physical copies of that! Was there a 
particular part that might help with the ‘maximize’ card size problem?


> On May 2, 2020, at 5:39 PM, doc hawk via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Colin called,
>> 
>> But between you all you may remember something that will help me. I have a 
>> standalone HC application, and it opens with a window that shows that you 
>> are only seeing part of the card window. The card window doesn’t resize, and 
>> I can’t remember how to make it be bigger. Here’s things that didn’t work:
> 
> 
> Does this help?
> 
> https://cancel.fm/stuff/share/HyperCard_Reference_1.pdf 
> 
> 
> It’s for 2.5, but seems to cover it.
> 
> I had to switch from hypercard to supercars to have multiple windows.  Once 
> Hypercard 2.0 came out with multiple views, I would have had to copy/paste 
> every last control to go back, so only transferred the main script for other 
> applications of my tech.
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Re: Most obscure HC question

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

Thanks for the suggestions.

The ideas about resizing the card window is what I had already tried. The 
scroller window only allows the window to be made smaller, it won’t go bigger. 
Double clicking in the scroller makes the card window hide or show, it doesn’t 
do the expected make the window the size of the card.

I had tried changing the APPL to STAK, and that does let me open it in 
HyperCard. The card window is the correct size when I do that. The stack ends 
up locking up though, because it does use xcmds, and those are resources in the 
standalone app version, they’re not in HyperCard.

Deleting most of the resources, not the xcmdd and xfcns, does make the stack 
work in HyperCard, but I lost a lot of the graphics doing that.

I found that I could edit the script using a hex editor, and put in a line to 
set the size of the card (replacing a line that wasn’t vital). That broke the 
stack, but I may try it again.

I added script to show the message box, but it seems that the standalone player 
doesn’t include the HyperTalk interpreter, attempts to set the rect of the card 
failed, as would anything I typed.

I will keep trying other ideas.


> On May 3, 2020, at 9:40 AM, Craig Newman via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Can you explicitly set the text of the card in an openCard handler?
> 
> Craig Newman 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 2, 2020, at 7:06 PM, Colin Holgate via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I fear that the HyperCard group in Yahoo may be lost. Please let me know if 
>> that isn’t true.
>> 
>> But between you all you may remember something that will help me. I have a 
>> standalone HC application, and it opens with a window that shows that you 
>> are only seeing part of the card window. The card window doesn’t resize, and 
>> I can’t remember how to make it be bigger. Here’s things that didn’t work:
>> 
>> Setting a ton of memory.
>> Setting Monitors to match the card size.
>> Resizing the preview rectangle. You can only resize it smaller.
>> Resizing the card window.
>> Clicking the zoom box.
>> 
>> As it’s a standalone application I can’t easily get at the stack, but feel 
>> sure there was a way to hack the stack out of a standalone.
>> 
>> Anyway, please enjoy the challenge of remembering this far back!
>> 
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Re: Most obscure HC question

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

That looked hopeful, but requires Power Tools. I do have HyperCard installer 
discs somewhere…


> On May 4, 2020, at 3:24 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Paul McClernan wrote:
> 
> > That old HC stack that removes the HC engine leaving only a stack file
> > is here:
> > https://archive.org/details/hypercard_standalone-stripper-232
> 
> From the link:
>   This stack 'deconverts' HyperCard standalone applications into
>   stacks by removing the 'stock' standalone resources, changing
>   the file's Type and Creator codes to 'STAK' and 'WILD', and
>   clearing the new stack's 'hasBundle' bit.
> 
> Can also be done with ResEdit or LC:
> http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-livecode/2020-May/260175.html
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Another off topic challenge

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

Many of you are way more into tricky Windows things than I am, so I thought it 
would be worth asking this here.

In my Windows 10 I can run this line in PowerShell:

Get-WmiObject -Query "SELECT * FROM Win32_ComputerSystem”

It echos a few lines of information about my system. When I try the same on a 
customer’s machine I get this:

Get-WmiObject : Invalid class "Win32_ComputerSystem"
At line:1 char:1
+ Get-WmiObject -Query "SELECT * FROM Win32_ComputerSystem"
+ ~
+ CategoryInfo  : InvalidType: (:) [Get-WmiObject], 
ManagementException
+ FullyQualifiedErrorId : 
GetWMIManagementException,Microsoft.PowerShell.Commands.GetWmiObjectCommand


What is Win32_ComputerSystem, and what could make it be invalid?


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Re: Small and strange problem

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Do you have an earlier line where you have set tMins? If it has never been set, 
would you export tMins/60 to work?

Aside from that, there was a change in LiveCode 7 or 8, where you could no 
longer create a variable on the first line that it is used. You need to have 
declared it earlier on.


> On May 11, 2020, at 2:24 AM, AndyP via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I seem to have my posts dropped at the moment hence this,
> 
> I'm seeing the same error
> 
> with 
> 
> on mouseUp pMouseButton
>  put (tMins/60) into tMins
>  answer tMins
> end mouseUp
> 
> button "Button": execution error at line 2 (Operators /: error in left 
> operand), char 1
> 
> Interestingly this
> 
> on mouseUp pMouseButton
>  try
>put (tMins/60) into tMins
>  catch tError
>if tError then answer "An Error Occurred;"  && tError & return & "tMins =" 
> && tMins
>  end try
> end mouseUp
> 
> does NOT through an error or a catch error message
> 
> 
> If however tMins is initialized then all works as expected
> 
> on mouseUp pMouseButton
>  put 20 into tMins
>  put (tMins/60) into tMins
>  answer tMins
> end mouseUp
> 
> ???
> 
> 
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Re: LC 9.6.0 RC1 Splash/Launch Images

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

What I’ve done for a while is to use a flat color that is the average of the 
colors in the actual title screen. The splash screen is not around for very 
long, and with there being lots of different sizes required, a detailed splash 
screen could possibly take up 50 MB of app side, for the sake of a fraction of 
a second.

In the best case it feels like the title screen faded into view. In fact, you 
could do that, quickly fade in from a matching flat background color.


> On May 17, 2020, at 10:58 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello Graham,
> 
> The new storyboard mechanism has some restrictions as it is (we might
> enhance it in the future)
> 
> For example it is no longer possible to have an exact (pixel) matching of
> the splash screen and the first card of the stack as it appears on the
> device
> 
> So the best suggestion now is to use a splash image that has just a logo at
> the center and it is transparent, and also to set the background of the
> splash in the standalone settings.
> 
> In that way, in all devices (ipads/iphones) you will get a centered logo
> with the background you set in the standalone settings (or you can choose
> to not set the background - in this case the default background color will
> be used depending on the device appearance: white if the device is on light
> mode and black if the device is on dark mode)
> 
> Of course, if you do not wish to have a splash that shows just a logo, you
> can choose a regular image (or 3 regular images, one for each 1x,2x,3x
> slots) and also set the background color to match the image background
> color. In this case, depending of the device, the app will use the one of
> the three images that is closer to the device screen size, and will center
> this image to the screen.
> 
> This means that the image in some devices will either match exactly, or it
> will be larger (in this case it will be cropped and the edges will not
> show), or it will be smaller (in this case it will be centered at the
> device screen, and the left/top/right/bottom areas will show the background
> color that was set in the standalone settings.
> 
> One might ask, what size should the images be then? Well, it depends on the
> images (i.e. how much content they have at the center, and if you are OK if
> some of the content at the edges is cropped etc). A rule of thumb - as I
> understand it - is the following:
> 
> -use a "small", a "medium" and a "large" image for each of the 1x, 2x and
> 3x slots, where "small" is the smallest image you used before the
> storyboard, "large" is the largest you used before, and "medium" is
> something in-between.
> 
> For example, you could try images with these dimensions:
> 
> - 1334x750
> - 2208x1242 (x2)
> - 2732x2048 (x3)
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> We will write a lesson for this topic soon.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Panos
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> On Sat, 16 May 2020 at 17:49, Graham Samuel via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> This is not to answer my own question, but to emphasise the apparent
>> difficulty of getting this aspect of creating an iOS app right just by
>> using just LC and a reasonable graphics editor on a Mac. It means to me
>> that a lot of careful instructions need to be provided by somebody in the
>> LC universe, since the policy (I sincerely hope!) is to get LC developers
>> to avoid getting deep into XCode. I found this, which frankly scares me.
>> 
>> https://wiki.starling-framework.org/manual/ios_launch_images
>> 
>> Can anyone help me to a less nerdy way of getting this right? I don’t
>> even know what a storyboard is!
>> 
>> Graham
>> 
>>> On 16 May 2020, at 00:40, Graham Samuel via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I see that the iOS Standalone Settings have changed in this version, no
>> doubt to accommodate Apple’s new rules. One is required to provide six
>> images as “Launch Images” under the “Splash” tab. It seems that there’s an
>> image, a 2x image and a 3x image, and then another three for dark mode.
>>> 
>>> There is no tooltip to suggest how large these images should be - in
>> previous versions they had to be tailored to different device screen sizes.
>> Now it seems anything goes, or does it?
>>> 
>>> Can anyone explain what the dimensions of these images are supposed to
>> be? Does “2x” just mean twice the original size in each direction or what?
>> Can’t see anything in the release notes, but maybe I wasn’t paying
>> attention.
>>> 
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Re: Chromebook apps?

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

Would HTML5 be a better option?


> On Jun 22, 2020, at 10:51 AM, prothero--- via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Folks:
> A LOT of elementary school teachers are using Chromebooks to teach online. 
> So… I am wondering what the current situation is with Android (?) apps on 
> Chromebooks.
> 
> Is anybody developing apps for Chromebooks? Are there gothchas? Any pointers 
> to online Chromebook specific docs? I may invest in a Chromebook, for 
> testing, but would like to scope out the landscape before I waste my time.
> 
> Thanks for any offerings.
> Best,
> Bill
> 
> William A. Prothero
> Santa Barbara, CA. 93105
> http://earthlearningsolutions.org/
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Re: Platform Divergence

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

Something they did show was a demo of a high end Intel CPU compiled game, and 
with Rosetta 2 the performance was good. I think it will be a few years before 
having to take advantage of native hardware will matter, and if LiveCode is 
built with Xcode, there is already a way to compile so that the application 
supports both sets of hardware.
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Re: OFFLIST Re: Animation Engine: speed tips

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

We’re all curious!

> On Jun 29, 2020, at 9:26 AM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> On the use-livecode list you wrote:
> > Hey Alex,
> >
> > Public Domain it is. I’ve set it free couple. of years back, as I am
> > essentially no longer writing code. :-) Still following LiveCodes
> > progress with interest though.  :-)
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Malte
> 
> If you're no coding, what are you up to these days?
> 
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Re: Big Sur issues

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

In related news, I have an ARM64 Mac mini, and LC seems to be running ok.

With the Tab Panel issue, did you notice that as you dragged it into place you 
could see the first tab’s text? That suggests that the highlighter for the tab 
has transparency issues, not that text is missing.

WindowShape does work, but there is a card size backdrop. Also, while LiveCard 
is open all of your desktop is obscured by a backdrop as well.


> On Aug 25, 2020, at 6:31 PM, Marty Knapp via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Bob, I may have to take you up on that. Hopefully it will get fixed. I 
> did tinker with it a bit and found that if I set the backgroundColor of the 
> button to something dark the text shows up, so the issue is the change in 
> appearance to the active tab being white - so the default white text  is 
> there, just not visible against a white background.
> 
> Marty
> 
>> On Aug 25, 2020, at 3:40 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> FYI I recently built my own tab control that looks almost exactly like the 
>> one the Mac displays, but it has two advantages: 
>> 
>> 1. It looks good on both Windows AND Mac. 
>> 2. It has support for Drag and Drop. 
>> 
>> You edit the tabs by right-clicking in the “pane” of the group object, then 
>> selecting Tabs. You use an answer dialog to enter a comma separated list of 
>> tabs. When these are built there are invisible buttons created over the top 
>> of the Segmented Control Widget tabs. (The only reason I did this is so I 
>> could drag over a button and it would hilite, and also because I could 
>> create a behavior that is applied to ALL the buttons, so I only have one 
>> place to go to edit the code for them.) 
>> 
>> Sizing works for every side but the top. I haven’t spent any time trying to 
>> figure that one out. Also, I’ve had problems adding more than one tab at a 
>> time, but I think I know what is wrong there. 
>> 
>> Let me know and I will try to kludge together a sample stack. 
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 25, 2020, at 3:27 PM, Marty Knapp via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just installed the latest beta of the Big Sur OS on my MacBook Pro and 
>>> ran an LC app built in 9.6.1 (that works fine on Catalina) and right off it 
>>> looks like 2 things are broken:
>>> 
>>> 1) Tabbed buttons - the active tab does not show the text, it’s just blank 
>>> white. Tried both Light and Dark modes with no difference
>>> 2) WindowShape - whatever graphic you’ve selected for the shape is ignored
>>> 
>>> Anybody else finding these or other issues?
>>> 
>>> Marty
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Re: Big Sur bugs

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I haven’t tested much, but LiveCode seems to work normally in Big Sur on Intel, 
and on the M1 chip machines there is a – in front of each menu item, but 
otherwise it’s working.


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Re: xAPI in LiveCode Week #3 Meeting TODAY 2 PM

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

I was going to ask whose 2pm is it, but I tried the link, and it told me it was 
my 12pm. So, just under two hours from now.


> On Feb 19, 2021, at 10:00 AM, Brian K. Duck via use-livecode 
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> 
> Hello, 
> 
> Here is the zoom invite:
> Brian Duck is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.
> 
> Topic: xAPI in LiveCode Week #3 Zoom Meeting
> Time: Feb 19, 2021 02:00 PM America/Detroit
> 
> Join Zoom Meeting
> https://us04web.zoom.us/j/71031947408?pwd=MzNzTWUwak16UDBlanhsTGNLY1p2UT09
> 
> Meeting ID: 710 3194 7408
> Passcode: s7TM6U
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Whatever happened to on-rev?

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I recently had to use my space there, and this is the path to use:

https://bedrock.on-rev.com:2083 

Having said that, right now it’s not loading.


> On Aug 19, 2021, at 5:19 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well, it's complicated -)
> 
> For me (Chrome on Mac), I get
> 
> on-rev.com   : redirects to livecode.com and all works ok
> 
> www.on-rev.com : gives error page (in French) and Error 403
> 
> https://on-rev.com : gives scary "connection is not private", etc. message
> 
> Alex.
> 
> On 20/08/2021 00:59, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
>> I am getting an error that I do not have permission to access the site. I 
>> have a lifetime license.
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 19, 2021, at 16:54 , Jerry Jensen via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Eh, wot?
>>> For me it redirects to https://livecode.com (in Safari on a mac).
>>> .Jerry
>>> 
 On Aug 19, 2021, at 4:43 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
  wrote:
 
 ?
 looks like it bit the dust.
 
 http://on-rev.com/
 
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Re: Whatever happened to on-rev?

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quartz.on-rev.com doesn’t work for me, but https://bedrock.on-rev.com:2083 
<https://bedrock.on-rev.com:2083/> is now getting me to the c-panel sign in 
page, which then works.


> On Aug 19, 2021, at 8:35 PM, Tim Selander via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> A few weeks back (months?) they upgraded the servers. I have two accounts, 
> personal and work. Before they were on different servers, but after the 
> upgrade, both are on quartz.on-rev.com <http://quartz.on-rev.com/>, and I can 
> get at them through c-panel.
> 
> Same user name and password.
> 
> Recommend contacting support -- on-...@runrev.com <mailto:on-...@runrev.com> 
> -- to ask what server you are on now.
> 
> Tim Selander
> Tokyo
> 
> On 8/20/21 10:23 AM, Colin Holgate via use-livecode wrote:
>> I recently had to use my space there, and this is the path to use:
>> https://bedrock.on-rev.com:2083 <https://bedrock.on-rev.com:2083/> 
>> <https://bedrock.on-rev.com:2083/ <https://bedrock.on-rev.com:2083/>>
>> Having said that, right now it’s not loading.
>>> On Aug 19, 2021, at 5:19 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, it's complicated -)
>>> 
>>> For me (Chrome on Mac), I get
>>> 
>>> on-rev.com   : redirects to livecode.com and all works ok
>>> 
>>> www.on-rev.com : gives error page (in French) and Error 403
>>> 
>>> https://on-rev.com : gives scary "connection is not private", etc. message
>>> 
>>> Alex.
>>> 
>>> On 20/08/2021 00:59, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
>>>> I am getting an error that I do not have permission to access the site. I 
>>>> have a lifetime license.
>>>> 
>>>> Bob S
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 19, 2021, at 16:54 , Jerry Jensen via use-livecode 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Eh, wot?
>>>>> For me it redirects to https://livecode.com (in Safari on a mac).
>>>>> .Jerry
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Aug 19, 2021, at 4:43 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ?
>>>>>> looks like it bit the dust.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> http://on-rev.com/
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -- 
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>>>>>> ahsoftw...@gmail.com
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Re: Whatever happened to on-rev?

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

At least the page apologizes to you.


> On Aug 24, 2021, at 9:10 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 8/20/21 1:52 AM, Heather Laine via use-livecode wrote:
> 
> You should never be able to access either http://on-rev.com 
>  or https of same, this site is no longer used and 
> redirects to livecode.com .
> 
> Actually, no.
> It redirects to http://on-rev.com/cgi-sys/defaultwebpage.cgi
> which is apparently the cPanel equivalent of ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
> 
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Couple of HTML questions

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

I want to have an online text editor, that can post some styled text, that then 
gets read into a desktop stack. There are a lot of HTML styled text editors 
around, but I thought I may as well try using LiveCode for that part as well.

Two issues I’ve hit are the setting of the style of the text, and then posting 
the text to a PHP script, that stores the HTML changes.

Can these lines work in an HTML published stack?:

post data to URL theurl

and:

set the textstyle of the selection to bold



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Re: Couple of HTML questions

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

My PHP script is at an https location, so no problems there. Currently I had 
been trying to set the text style of the selection, I didn’t yet try setting 
the text style of a character range.

The post does seem to be failing though, and given that I don’t need any HTML5 
features, only a simple styled text editor that is able to post the styled text 
to a PHP script, I will try to find some free code for doing that. Or maybe 
work out how to do it myself!

Does anyone know of any HTML and Javascript code for editing styled text? I 
think I can figure out the JavaScript to post the innerHTML of a Div.


> On Sep 13, 2021, at 3:14 PM, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Colin,
> If it is HTML5 deployment you are looking to do from LC, how time critical
> is your project? At the moment, HTML5 deployment is still quite broken in
> many ways. It may be best to wait until LC10 which is using a whole new
> engine (which looks very promising).
> 
> That said, the current engine 'CAN' do what you have 'asked' for sure, both
> 'post tData to URL(tUrl)' and 'set the textstyle of char 10 to 20 of fld
> "myField" to "bold"' (although that will depend on what texttype is already
> in that field potentially - it can be a bit kooky at times).
> 
> Other things in html5 deployment you will run into that will most likely
> frustrate a little.
> 
> Regarding 'post', note the following from the LC dictionary:
> Cross-platform note: The HTML5 engine only supports HTTP and HTTPs
> protocols. ((ie, you can't use file;//, ftp://, etc))
> Cross-platform note: URLs fetched by the HTML5 engine from a domain other
> than that of the hosting the page may be blocked by web browsers, unless
> the server hosting the URL sets the "Access-Control-Origin" header
> appropriately. ((But as you are likely hosting the PHP you will have
> control over that))
> 
> If you run into any specific HTML5 deployment issues I'd be happy to help
> you through if you want to PM me at all.
> 
> Sean
> 
> On Mon, 13 Sept 2021 at 20:20, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Colin,
>> 
>> just tried here with a Livecode Server script not with a php script.
>> 
>> Posting data from an Html5 stack to an url definitely works.
>> (see https://livecode.dermattes.de/postmr/postmr.html <
>> https://livecode.dermattes.de/postmr/postmr.html>)
>> 
>> What i do not get working is setting the text style. Even if i set the
>> style already in the IDE and built the html5 standalone the text style is
>> reset to plain when the html5 stack is displayed in the browser.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Matthias
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Am 13.09.2021 um 04:53 schrieb Colin Holgate via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
>>> 
>>> I want to have an online text editor, that can post some styled text,
>> that then gets read into a desktop stack. There are a lot of HTML styled
>> text editors around, but I thought I may as well try using LiveCode for
>> that part as well.
>>> 
>>> Two issues I’ve hit are the setting of the style of the text, and then
>> posting the text to a PHP script, that stores the HTML changes.
>>> 
>>> Can these lines work in an HTML published stack?:
>>> 
>>> post data to URL theurl
>>> 
>>> and:
>>> 
>>> set the textstyle of the selection to bold
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Couple of HTML questions

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I do see a message when trying the post, that says exception thrown, see 
JavaScript Console. There are too many error lines to be sure which one of them 
is important. I get no error when trying to set the style of the text, which 
makes me think that the field is a plain text field.

When I test the stack inside LiveCode, the style changes and the post are 
working.

> On Sep 13, 2021, at 3:14 PM, Sean Cole (Pi) via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Colin,
> If it is HTML5 deployment you are looking to do from LC, how time critical
> is your project? At the moment, HTML5 deployment is still quite broken in
> many ways. It may be best to wait until LC10 which is using a whole new
> engine (which looks very promising).
> 
> That said, the current engine 'CAN' do what you have 'asked' for sure, both
> 'post tData to URL(tUrl)' and 'set the textstyle of char 10 to 20 of fld
> "myField" to "bold"' (although that will depend on what texttype is already
> in that field potentially - it can be a bit kooky at times).
> 
> Other things in html5 deployment you will run into that will most likely
> frustrate a little.
> 
> Regarding 'post', note the following from the LC dictionary:
> Cross-platform note: The HTML5 engine only supports HTTP and HTTPs
> protocols. ((ie, you can't use file;//, ftp://, etc))
> Cross-platform note: URLs fetched by the HTML5 engine from a domain other
> than that of the hosting the page may be blocked by web browsers, unless
> the server hosting the URL sets the "Access-Control-Origin" header
> appropriately. ((But as you are likely hosting the PHP you will have
> control over that))
> 
> If you run into any specific HTML5 deployment issues I'd be happy to help
> you through if you want to PM me at all.
> 
> Sean
> 
> On Mon, 13 Sept 2021 at 20:20, matthias rebbe via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Colin,
>> 
>> just tried here with a Livecode Server script not with a php script.
>> 
>> Posting data from an Html5 stack to an url definitely works.
>> (see https://livecode.dermattes.de/postmr/postmr.html <
>> https://livecode.dermattes.de/postmr/postmr.html>)
>> 
>> What i do not get working is setting the text style. Even if i set the
>> style already in the IDE and built the html5 standalone the text style is
>> reset to plain when the html5 stack is displayed in the browser.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Matthias
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Am 13.09.2021 um 04:53 schrieb Colin Holgate via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>:
>>> 
>>> I want to have an online text editor, that can post some styled text,
>> that then gets read into a desktop stack. There are a lot of HTML styled
>> text editors around, but I thought I may as well try using LiveCode for
>> that part as well.
>>> 
>>> Two issues I’ve hit are the setting of the style of the text, and then
>> posting the text to a PHP script, that stores the HTML changes.
>>> 
>>> Can these lines work in an HTML published stack?:
>>> 
>>> post data to URL theurl
>>> 
>>> and:
>>> 
>>> set the textstyle of the selection to bold
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Couple of HTML questions

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I read the instructions more carefully, and the selected text does get posted.

I am using 9.6.3, wonder if the version matters?
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Re: Couple of HTML questions

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

I found a small styled text editor that I could add my buttons to, and can now 
edit text and send it to a PHP script to store online. Then a LiveCode stack 
can retrieve those files.

One problem I ran into was getting all of the characters to survive the ordeal. 
I could successfully get the text from the HTML editor to the online file, by 
using escape(the html of the text), but LiveCode doesn’t seem to have escape or 
unescape. It does have URLDecode, but if I used URLEncode the text wouldn’t 
fully upload to the PHP script.

In the end I had to use a replaceText for each of the unicode characters that 
were in the downloaded text. So far those have been bullets, checkmarks, and 
ellipses, and I do these lines:

put replaceText(it,"%u2026","…") into newtext

put replaceText(newtext,"%u221A","√") into newtext

set the htmltext of fld  “rich text field" to replaceText(newtext,"%u2022","•")



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Re: OT: Wordle

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

It works well. Would be nice if the right answer letters highlighted in green 
before the dialog appears.


> On Jan 7, 2022, at 10:31 AM, Craig Newman via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Ali.
> 
> Smug as we Americans are, that is why we stick to our blinkered word list. 
> There are just too many random strings of characters in CSW for our 
> provincial taste.
> 
> Craig
> 
>> On Jan 7, 2022, at 11:36 AM, Craig Newman via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Ali.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> I am joining a support group to help me stop playing, and get back to 
>> Scrabble.
>> 
>> But why limit the lexicon to so few words? Even TWL has over 8000 
>> five-letter words, and SOWPODS many more.
>> 
>> Craig
>> 
>>> On Jan 7, 2022, at 10:37 AM, Roger Guay via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Very nice! Thank you Ali
>>> 
>>> Roger
>>> 
 On Jan 7, 2022, at 2:53 AM, Ali Lloyd via use-livecode 
  wrote:
 
 Many of you will no doubt already be addicted to the game 'Wordle' (if not,
 prepare to be: https://www.powerlanguage.co.uk/wordle/) - the only problem
 with it is that you only get one per day to solve. So I have taken the
 liberty of making an unlimited version (in LC of course)
 https://alilloyd.livecodehosting.com/wordle/wordle.html
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Re: OT: Wordle

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

You could say, thinking aloed, is aloed aloed?


> On Jan 17, 2022, at 3:04 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 1/17/22 3:50 PM, doc hawk via use-livecode wrote:
>> mark mentioned,
>>> I don't think you can aloe something or say that something has been aloed.
>> Are you saying that such usage isn’t aloed?
> 
> Oh, stop it. :P You're as bad as Wieder.
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Re: Reviving CD-ROM material [was: Re: Livecode and interactive video]

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Between Feb 1992 when I moved to the US, and May 1995, most of the floppy disks 
and CD-ROMs I programmed were done in HyperCard. Any of those would be easy 
enough to hack. I had been doing the Mac version, and other companies would do 
the PC version. From May 1995, being cross platform right away was more 
important, and so I started using Macromedia Director. For those CD-ROM I would 
either keep the document files in their editable format, or I would have a 
folder on the CD that included the editable files. The way I looked at it was 
that I had thousands of backup copies of the source files. I did do 10 CD-ROMs 
using Oracle Media Objects, which was another way to make cross platform 
HyperCard like titles.

That still all predates Revolution. By the time Run Rev were sitting on top of 
MetaCard we were doing more web activities, all in Macromedia Director. Then by 
2000, three years before Run Rev acquired MetaCard, I had to start using 
Macromedia Flash for the web work. The documents Flash produced were not easily 
editable after being published.

Some day I’ll find time to recreate the HyperCard products in LiveCode!


> On Jan 23, 2022, at 7:18 AM, Richmond via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have a good dozen CD-ROMs which my boys got a lot of mileage out of when we 
> stayed in the UAE.
> 
> The first thing to do is to extract all the media - and this can be a 
> right-pain-in-the-bum as quite a lot of
> these CDs were authored using MacroMedia products where the media are 
> embedded in a way which seems
> to make them inaccessible.
> 
> After that . . .
> 
> Run up LiveCode stacks that mimic the FUNCTIONALITY of the original CDs (this 
> is surprisingly easy).
> 
> I have a horde of Dorling-Kindersley CDs that contain stuff that really rocks 
> (well, up to the point
> that media authored for a Mac Performa 5700 is of a far, far lower quality 
> and size than what is
> the norm nowadays).
> 
> I wrote to them twice and they never bothered to reply
> 
> they did not "essentially" ignore me: they IGNORED me. This is nonsense as, 
> presumably, there is no obvious way
> they can make the odd bob out of ancient CD-ROMS; and if they had a bit of 
> nous they might realise that they could
> climb into bed with you to mutual advantage . . .
> 
> so I would merrily chant my favourite mantra:
> 
> "abandonware, abandonware"  and make sure that anything I did with media 
> ripped off from those
> 
> CDs was splattered with disclaimers and released on a not-for-profit basis.
> 
> Richard Gaskin will probably now come after me with the castrating irons.  :)
> 
> Even if he doesn't, his knowledge of what-you-can and what-you-cannot get 
> away with is
> both invaluable and far, far more extensive than mine it.
> 
> On 23.01.22 14:57, Graham Samuel via use-livecode wrote:
>> I know I’m old enough to be the father of the average LiveCoder, and maybe 
>> the grandfather of quite a few, so I clearly remember CD-ROMs. I had a 
>> favourite cross-platform one which contains some very attractive material, 
>> and I have often thought of reviving the contents using either an LC 
>> standalone, or (as is presumably now possible), an LC-generated web app. 
>> Sadly I have never been able to have a sensible conversation with the 
>> copyright owner (they’ve essentially ignored me), so this would begin as a 
>> private project. I’m still wondering what the best technical approach should 
>> be. The material includes videos (not interactive) and synchronised text and 
>> audio files. After thinking about it for years, I still think it would be 
>> fun to do.
>> 
>> Has anyone any ideas about how to approach this conversion (or re-purposing, 
>> or whatever term you want to use)?
>> 
>> Graham
>> 
>>> On 21 Jan 2022, at 19:56, Jim Lambert via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> A quarter of a century ago, we called this Interactive Multimedia.
>>> It was usually delivered on a CD-ROM.   Ask your parents! ;)
>>> 
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Re: [ANN] Circling Balls Illusion

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

If you make these changes the animation becomes a lot smoother:

if the mouse is down then exit repeat

lock screen

add Pi/180 to theta

(Many more lines)…
unlock screen

wait 5 milliseconds



> On Feb 3, 2022, at 9:59 AM, Roger Guay via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yes:
> 
>> https://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=36724 
>> 
> Later today I will also upload a copy to Sample Stacks.
> 
> Thanks,
> Roger
> 
>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 9:37 AM, Rick Harrison via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Roger,
>> 
>> Can you please provide a link to it?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Rick
>> 
>>> On Feb 2, 2022, at 4:10 PM, Roger Guay via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi List,
>>> 
>>> Over on the forums I introduced my LC version of a well know dynamic 
>>> optical illusion wherein a number of balls appear to be circling inside of 
>>> a bigger circle.
>>> Check it out there if interested.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
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Re: Windows 11 incompatible?

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Do you have an app I can test?


> On Mar 13, 2022, at 1:31 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
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> We're getting reports that our LC app won't launch after the new Windows 11 
> update. Anyone else seeing this? If so, do you know what the problem is?
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Re: Windows 11 incompatible?

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

You should check for an update, I’m on 22572.100, maybe that’s the update that 
showed a problem?


> On Mar 13, 2022, at 2:27 PM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> What do you mean with new Windows 11 update? The update from 10 or lower to 
> 11 or from 11.xxx whatever build to a newer one?
> 
> I have here Windows 11 Build 22563, that's an insider preview build, 
> installed and opening/running an LC standalone, created with LC 9.6.2, was 
> not a problem.
> 
> Regards,
> Matthias
> 
> 
>> Am 13.03.2022 um 20:31 schrieb J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>> :
>> 
>> We're getting reports that our LC app won't launch after the new Windows 11 
>> update. Anyone else seeing this? If so, do you know what the problem is?
>> 
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Re: Windows 11 incompatible?

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

I get the “do you want to allow” dialog, and after that I get to the sign in 
screen ok.


> On Mar 13, 2022, at 3:40 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
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> 
> Well, you'd need an account with a school but since the problem is only on 
> launch you might be able to test that part.
> <https://thinkingstrings.com/interactive-explorations-downloads/>
> 
> 
> On 3/13/22 2:52 PM, Colin Holgate via use-livecode wrote:
>> Do you have an app I can test?
>>> On Mar 13, 2022, at 1:31 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> We're getting reports that our LC app won't launch after the new Windows 11 
>>> update. Anyone else seeing this? If so, do you know what the problem is?
>>> 
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Re: Windows 11 incompatible?

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

There is an issue on Windows that would show similar symptoms. That is, if a 
window is opened off screen it’s as if the application has frozen.

To see if that is the problem, type Alt-spacebar, M, any arrow key, and move 
the cursor. The offscreen window will be attached to the cursor, and a 
left-click will drop it off in the right place.


> On Mar 13, 2022, at 3:40 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well, you'd need an account with a school but since the problem is only on 
> launch you might be able to test that part.
> <https://thinkingstrings.com/interactive-explorations-downloads/>
> 
> 
> On 3/13/22 2:52 PM, Colin Holgate via use-livecode wrote:
>> Do you have an app I can test?
>>> On Mar 13, 2022, at 1:31 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> We're getting reports that our LC app won't launch after the new Windows 11 
>>> update. Anyone else seeing this? If so, do you know what the problem is?
>>> 
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Re: Windows 11 incompatible?

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Yes it does. The M is for Move, if you’re working on a non-English system you 
would type the first letter for Move in your language.


> On Mar 14, 2022, at 9:47 AM, Craig Newman via use-livecode 
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> Do I understand that, on Windows, typing those keys makes the frontmost 
> window track the cursor???

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Re: Windows 11 incompatible?

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

No, you press Alt and tap the spacebar. Let go of both keys, then tap M, and 
tap any arrow key. Move the cursor to see the frontmost window is attached.


> On Mar 14, 2022, at 11:25 AM, Craig Newman via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
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> Hi, Colin.
> 
> Hmmm.  I assume that all four of those keys are pressed at the same time?
> 
> Craig
> 
>> On Mar 14, 2022, at 11:52 AM, Colin Holgate via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes it does. The M is for Move, if you’re working on a non-English system 
>> you would type the first letter for Move in your language.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 14, 2022, at 9:47 AM, Craig Newman via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Do I understand that, on Windows, typing those keys makes the frontmost 
>>> window track the cursor???
>> 
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Re: Counting Syllables

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This post goes over some techniques:

https://mholtzscher.github.io/2018/05/29/syllables/ 




> On Mar 20, 2022, at 12:51 PM, Rick Harrison via use-livecode 
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> 
> Hi Richmond,
> 
> Yes, English. Sorry I forgot to be specific, I thought it was implied.
> 
> Yes, I have been counting vowels, but there appear to be a lot of exceptions,
> so there must be a lot more rules.
> 
> I need to know what all the rules are to make it work if possible.
> 
> There are websites out there on the internet that will count
> syllables in whatever text given to them so it must be possible.
> How are they doing it?  Is it an algorithm ,or are they comparing
> the words to a database table that has all the dictionary information?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Rick
> 
> 
>> On Mar 20, 2022, at 2:29 PM, Richmond via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Well, syllables are language dependent, so let's suppose for the moment that
>> you are ONLY working with English, the, presumably, you can set up vowels
>> as item-delimiters: although you might get a bit mixed up with words sucj
>> as 'beautiful' which, while having 5 vowels only has 3 syllables.
>> 
>> Basically you have to work out how to detect V+C and open vowels at the
>> end of words.
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Re: Signing With Apple on iOS Woes

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There are a couple of ideas here:

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/16073519/nsurlerrordomain-error-code-999-in-ios
 


The simpler suggestion is that you’re sending two requests, the second one 
going before the first one has completed.


> On Mar 28, 2022, at 11:00 AM, Dan Friedman via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I am trying to user a browser widget to do a login with Apple.  When I load 
> my page (that redirects to apple with the appropriate keys) on my desktop (in 
> the IDE) it works perfect!   When I load the URL in the iOS Simulator, I get 
> a browserDocumentLoadFailed message and the error is "navigation request 
> cancelled" and then the page loads and seems to respond correctly.  However, 
> on a actual iPhone, we get the browserDocumentLoadFailed with the error "The 
> operation couldn't be completed. (NSUELErrorDomain error -999).
> 
> Anyone have any advice on this issue?
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Re: Launch of multiple application instances (Mac vs Win)

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

I wonder if the relaunch approach would leave the user in File Explorer, and 
would not switch across to the existing app instance? Hopefully it will be that 
simple.

If it isn’t, try this approach:

https://use-livecode.runrev.narkive.com/wOjpGm5V/external-for-running-one-instance-on-windows


> On May 8, 2022, at 9:37 AM, Klaus major-k via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Paul,
> 
>> Am 08.05.2022 um 17:32 schrieb Paul Dupuis via use-livecode 
>> :
>> 
>> Seeking help:
>> 
>> On MacOS when you try to launch a second instance of an application, the 
>> macOS just brings the open app to the front (for example, if it is hidden on 
>> minimized).
>> On Windows, when you try to launch a second instance of an application, 
>> Windows launches a second (or 3rd or 4th or ...) instance of the application.
>> 
>> All well and good, but here is my problem. We have some users of our 
>> application that, on Windows, are accidentally launching more than once 
>> instance of our application and then getting confused (our users are often 
>> not very computer literate).. This confusion can lead to them thinking they 
>> have lost data or other problems caused by doing some work in one instance 
>> and some in another and not recognizing they have multiple instances running.
>> 
>> I would like to add some start up code to application, that on Windows, 
>> detects if our app is already running and  (a) shuts the 2nd instance down 
>> OR (b) [PREFERABLY] warns the user they are launching a second instance and 
>> offers to (1) bring the existing instance to the foreground (and shut itself 
>> down) or actually continue and launch a seconds instance (for power users 
>> who know what they are doing)
>> 
>> Has anyone written code to do this?
>> i.e. code to detect an already running instance and code to bring that 
>> instance to the foreground?
>> If so, are you willing to share the code?
>> 
>> Just looking to not have to reinvent the wheel here.
> 
> just add this "dummy" handler to your stack:
> 
> on relaunch
>  ## Nada :-)
> end relaunch
> -
> That will prevent the launching of multiple instances on Windows!
> 
>> Thank you in advance!
> 
> Best
> 
> Klaus
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Re: macOS Ventura (13.x.x)...

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With 9.6.3 Community version, showing the message box, or the script window of 
a button, crashes LiveCode right away.

Opening a stack made in 9.6.3 with Monterey, does show 10.16.0 when run in 
9.6.3 in Ventura.


> On Jul 10, 2022, at 10:58 AM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode 
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> Is anyone out there in Livecode land running a developer beta of macOS 
> Ventura (13.x.x)?
> 
> If so, I am hoping you can perform a quick test:
> 
> systemVersion() returns 10.16 for macOS Big Sur or Monterey under Livecode 
> 9.6.7 and earlier (in the 9.6.x versions). The systemVersion() bug was just 
> fixed in LC 9.6.8.
> 
> I'd like to ask if someone on Ventura (13.x.x) can run LC 9.6.7 or any 9.6.x 
> less than 9.6.8) and confirm that systemVersion() also reports 10.16 for 
> macOS Ventura - i.e. that the systemVersion() bug behaves the same way under 
> Ventura for recent versions of LC less than LC 9.6.8.
> 
> Thank you to anyone that can do this test in advance,
> 
> Paul Dupuis
> Researchware
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Re: macOS Ventura (13.x.x)...

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

In general, Ventura is going well.

> On Jul 11, 2022, at 12:53 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well there go my plans for early adoption.
> 
> I do feel that the 'new OS a year' model means that ALL the versions are
> unfinished.
> 
> I could say the same about LiveCode versions.
> 
> Running RevMedia 4 on Xubuntu 22.04 serves as a reminder of some of the
> niggles relating to the elevator theory of human evolution.
> 
> On Mon, 11 Jul 2022, 08:46 Paul McClernan via use-livecode, <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> The OSS "community" already had TONs of work to do.
>> 
>> Apparently a lot of other software is crashing with macOS Ventura as well.
>> I wonder why? Time to install Ventura and find out I guess.
>> 
>> Every year this former mac fan-boy inches closer to becoming a Linux
>> regular.
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Jul 10, 2022 at 4:50 PM J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 7/10/22 12:26 PM, Colin Holgate via use-livecode wrote:
>>>> With 9.6.3 Community version, showing the message box, or the script
>> window of a button, crashes LiveCode right away.
>>> 
>>> Sounds like the OSS community has some work to do, if there is anyone
>> with the skills still there.
>>> 
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Running installer on Windows 10

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I am testing a stack on some different systems, and on Mac M1, Mac Intel, Intel 
i7 PC with Windows 10, and an Intel Celeron N5095 with Windows 11, no problems.

On an Intel Celeron N3450, Windows 10, nothing happens when opening the 
LiveCode 9.6.8 x86-64 installer, or if I open a standalone app that I made. 
When using run as admin, the initial “are you sure” screen appears, but then 
after that nothing happens.

What could be different between a Celeron N5095 and a Celeron N3450, that would 
account for why LiveCode applications don’t open?

I see from this post:

https://forums.unrealengine.com/t/epic-games-launcher-does-not-open/420387 


that some software might not like an Intel HD Graphics 500, but would that be a 
reason for the installer to fail silently?

I worked around the issue for now by saving the stack as v7. The 7.1.3 
installer works ok.
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Re: Anyone any experience with Livecode under Ventura?

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

I’m using 9.6.3, and it seems to work ok in Ventura.



> On Oct 25, 2022, at 11:28 AM, matthias rebbe via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> the topic says it all
> 
> Does anyone have already experience with Livecode under Ventura?
> Are there any known problems/bugs or so?
> 
> Regards,
> Matthias
> 
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Re: macOS Sequoia beta

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The LiveCodes I had are no longer working in Sonoma and Sequoia. I updated to 
LiveCode 9.6.12, and that seems to be working ok in the Sequoia beta 5.


> On Aug 7, 2024, at 9:59 PM, Marty Knapp via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
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> Curious if anyone has tested LC on the macOS Sequoia beta and if so, have you 
> found anything of concern?
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Re: Difficulty making a Mac app that works on another laptop

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I tried a standalone app on another computer, and sure enough got the message 
about it not being able to open. But, the usual work around of right-click, 
Open, does work.
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Re: export imagedata into a file ?

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

I was failing to even get the image in! But, the thing I would have tried if 
that had worked would be to set the paintCompression of the image to “jpeg".


> On May 8, 2018, at 10:17 AM, jbv via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
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> Hi list,
> I have a script that starts as follows :
> 
>   put URL "binfile:/myFile.jpg" into tImageData
>   put tImageData into image "Image_test"
>   put the imagedata of image "Image_test" into tImageData
>   -- tImageData processing
> 
> After tImageData is processed, I would like to export
> its content directly into a file.
> I tried :
>   put tImageData into URL "binfile:/test.jpg"
> but the file is considered corrupted and can't be opened.
> 
> I also tried :
>   put tImageData into URL "binfile:/test.jpg" as JPEG
> but it returns an error.
> 
> I know I can set the imagedata of an image to the content
> of tImageData, and then use "export snapshot", but for some
> reasons too long to explain, I would like to follow a different
> path.
> So, How can I export the binary content of tImageData to
> a jpeg or png file that can be opened like any similar
> file ?
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> jbv
> 
> 
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Re: Certificate Problems

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Unrelated to LiveCode I read about something today to do with old provisioning 
files and Xcode. Short version is, go here:

~/Library/MobileDevice/Provisioning Profiles/

Delete everything, then in Xcode Preferences, Account, Download Manual 
Profiles. That will download only valid profiles, and only leave current ones 
for Xcode to worry over.

It may go horribly wrong, but I think it will improve things.
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Re: Certificate Problems

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It’s sometimes worth opening Console, and see what errors are happening at that 
time.


> On May 11, 2018, at 9:09 PM, William Prothero via use-livecode 
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> 
> Thanks for the suggestion. 
> I tried it, but it didn’t work. I do know that old profiles can cause 
> confusion.
> 
> It does seem like a failure like that should generate some kind of alert 
> saying why.
> Best,
> Bill
> 
> 
>> On May 11, 2018, at 6:01 PM, Colin Holgate via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Unrelated to LiveCode I read about something today to do with old 
>> provisioning files and Xcode. Short version is, go here:
>> 
>> ~/Library/MobileDevice/Provisioning Profiles/
>> 
>> Delete everything, then in Xcode Preferences, Account, Download Manual 
>> Profiles. That will download only valid profiles, and only leave current 
>> ones for Xcode to worry over.
>> 
>> It may go horribly wrong, but I think it will improve things.
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Re: Certificate Problems

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It’s in Utilities. Open that. There’s a Filter option, which you could type in 
some letters once you know what process is going on that you want to watch.


> On May 11, 2018, at 9:15 PM, prothero--- via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> That sounds promising. I only vaguely remember how to do this.on Mac, how...?
> Bill
> 
> William Prothero
> http://earthlearningsolutions.org
> 
>> On May 11, 2018, at 6:11 PM, Colin Holgate via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> It’s sometimes worth opening Console, and see what errors are happening at 
>> that time.
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 11, 2018, at 9:09 PM, William Prothero via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks for the suggestion. 
>>> I tried it, but it didn’t work. I do know that old profiles can cause 
>>> confusion.
>>> 
>>> It does seem like a failure like that should generate some kind of alert 
>>> saying why.
>>> Best,
>>> Bill
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On May 11, 2018, at 6:01 PM, Colin Holgate via use-livecode 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Unrelated to LiveCode I read about something today to do with old 
>>>> provisioning files and Xcode. Short version is, go here:
>>>> 
>>>> ~/Library/MobileDevice/Provisioning Profiles/
>>>> 
>>>> Delete everything, then in Xcode Preferences, Account, Download Manual 
>>>> Profiles. That will download only valid profiles, and only leave current 
>>>> ones for Xcode to worry over.
>>>> 
>>>> It may go horribly wrong, but I think it will improve things.
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Re: Splash-stack apps on Google Play

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

At the time Mark thought there might be some LCB tweaks LiveCode might make to 
keep Google happy, but after the Google guys looked at a number of LiveCode 
apps, they concluded that they don’t seem to violate the new policy. Well, it 
was new 11 months ago when this came up last time!
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Re: Devawriter Pro: Fund Raiser Goes Live!

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

Read the other two articles, then divide by 2.


> On May 31, 2018, at 10:57 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Lagi Pittas wrote:
> > I would put a couple of "we love ya" perks $1 $5 or $7 (there is some
> > psychology with the last one).
> 
> I would love to learn more about 7, but when I went searching I just found 
> the usual articles about the psychology of 9 and 5.  Where can I learn more?
> 
> -- 
> Richard Gaskin



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Re: Dark Mode in macOS Mojave, any thoughts from the mothership?

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

>>We haven’t yet got a system with it running on yet. If anyone does (Colin?)

I have several tight deadline things on at the moment, otherwise I would have 
gone ahead and installed it!

Come to think of it, I do have an external drive I could try it on.
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Re: 8.1.10 Reporting the ScreenSize of a iPhone7: 0,0,375,667

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I’m working on an update to an Adobe AIR app, and one thing for me to have to 
figure out is that on iPhone 7 some graphics are being cut off. The screens are 
fine on other phones that are the same screen size. Which suggests there may be 
something about iPhone 7 that is odd, that is nothing to do with LiveCode.
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Re: iOS 12 compatibility

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

Skype also crashes. With Adobe AIR apps a current app crashes, but one from
four years ago doesn’t. Hopefully Apple will fix things.

On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 1:53 PM panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hello Andrew,
>
> No we did not have a chance to look at it yet, but we are aware of the
> issue. I think I had filed a bug report a week ago, I'll double check and
> let you know.
>
> Best
> Panos
> --
>
> On Tue, Jul 3, 2018, 21:34 Andrew Bell via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Had my first customer complaint about the app not working on their
> > device running the iOS 12 beta. Luckily I was able to point to a blog
> > post about how Fortnite also crashes under iOS 12 and explained how
> > their development budget is WAY larger to buy some time ;)
> >
> > Has the mothership had a chance to investigate this and/or should I
> > submit a report to bugzilla?
> >
> > --Andrew Bell
> >
> > > Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2018 17:45:42 +0100
> > > From: panagiotis merakos 
> > > To: How to use LiveCode 
> > > Cc: and...@midwestcoastmedia.com
> > > Subject: Re: iOS 12 compatibility
> > > Message-ID:
> > >   <
> > ca+jfeq8+1ptdywsvsa0xk6asrdcqnrk8v+9xtbyod5ufdyv...@mail.gmail.com>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> > >
> > > Hi Andrew,
> > >
> > > oh what fun!
> > >
> > > I will install iOS 12 beta in one of our office devices and investigate
> > > tomorrow. After a quick google search it seems that other non-LC apps
> > crash
> > > on startup on iOS 12 beta, so probably Apple has changed something.
> > >
> > > BTW what version of LC / MacOS/ Xcode did you use to build the
> > > standalone(s)?
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Panos
> > > --
> >
> >
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Re: iOS 12 compatibility

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

Beta 3 of iOS 12 came out today. Apps still crash.


> On Jul 4, 2018, at 2:16 AM, panagiotis merakos  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the update @Colin
> 
> For anyone interested, I just filed a bug report:
> 
> https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21396 
> <https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=21396>
> 
> Best,
> Panos
> --
> 
> On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 11:16 PM, Colin Holgate via use-livecode 
> mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
> Skype also crashes. With Adobe AIR apps a current app crashes, but one from
> four years ago doesn’t. Hopefully Apple will fix things.
> 
> On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 1:53 PM panagiotis merakos via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
> 
> > Hello Andrew,
> >
> > No we did not have a chance to look at it yet, but we are aware of the
> > issue. I think I had filed a bug report a week ago, I'll double check and
> > let you know.
> >
> > Best
> > Panos
> > --
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 3, 2018, 21:34 Andrew Bell via use-livecode <
> > use-livecode@lists.runrev.com <mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
> >
> > > Had my first customer complaint about the app not working on their
> > > device running the iOS 12 beta. Luckily I was able to point to a blog
> > > post about how Fortnite also crashes under iOS 12 and explained how
> > > their development budget is WAY larger to buy some time ;)
> > >
> > > Has the mothership had a chance to investigate this and/or should I
> > > submit a report to bugzilla?
> > >
> > > --Andrew Bell
> > >
> > > > Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2018 17:45:42 +0100
> > > > From: panagiotis merakos  > > > <mailto:merak...@gmail.com>>
> > > > To: How to use LiveCode  > > > <mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>>
> > > > Cc: and...@midwestcoastmedia.com <mailto:and...@midwestcoastmedia.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: iOS 12 compatibility
> > > > Message-ID:
> > > >   <
> > > ca+jfeq8+1ptdywsvsa0xk6asrdcqnrk8v+9xtbyod5ufdyv...@mail.gmail.com 
> > > <mailto:ca%2bjfeq8%2b1ptdywsvsa0xk6asrdcqnrk8v%2b9xtbyod5ufdyv...@mail.gmail.com>>
> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> > > >
> > > > Hi Andrew,
> > > >
> > > > oh what fun!
> > > >
> > > > I will install iOS 12 beta in one of our office devices and investigate
> > > > tomorrow. After a quick google search it seems that other non-LC apps
> > > crash
> > > > on startup on iOS 12 beta, so probably Apple has changed something.
> > > >
> > > > BTW what version of LC / MacOS/ Xcode did you use to build the
> > > > standalone(s)?
> > > >
> > > > Best,
> > > > Panos
> > > > --
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Re: iOS and video mirroring

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

HDMI itself has DRM, and I can imagine there are cables that work for non-DRM 
content, but won’t work for DRM content.

Here’s an article on the issue, and some suggested fixes:

https://www.howtogeek.com/208917/htg-explains-how-hdcp-breaks-your-hdtv-and-how-to-fix-it/
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iOS 12 testing

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

I tested at app on iOS 12 beta 4, and the Console details of the crash are 
below. I wanted to compare what it would be like when it works, so tried to 
test on an iOS 11 iPhone. But, it’s a new device, and my provisioning profiles 
have changed.

Under LC 7.1.4 I couldn’t see my profile listed. There were lots of other ones. 
Under 8.1.7 I choose see and choose the new profile, but LC wasn’t happy with 
my Xcode, which has SDK 11.4 and doesn’t have 11.0. Under LC 9.0.1 rc1 I could 
only see at entry for Team Provisioning. So, it was happy with my Xcode but 
couldn’t show me any profiles, let alone my new one.

Which just meant I couldn’t test a working version. Here’s what Console had to 
say about the test on my iPad, which was already under my old profile:

default 10:13:19.994329 -0700   SpringBoard Bootstrapping Untitled-1 with 
intent foreground-interactive
default 10:13:19.995979 -0700   kernel  AMFI: 
'/private/var/containers/Bundle/Application/2A113E7E-870A-4463-8877-E9281D952845/Untitled-1.app/Untitled-1'
 does not pass CT evaluation, result: 0x80008
default 10:13:19.996347 -0700   kernel  AMFI: 
'/private/var/containers/Bundle/Application/2A113E7E-870A-4463-8877-E9281D952845/Untitled-1.app/Untitled-1':
 Unrecoverable CT signature issue, bailing out.
default 10:13:20.025970 -0700   assertiond  Submitting new job for 
"Untitled-1" on behalf of 
default 10:13:20.026078 -0700   assertiond  Submitted job with label: 
UIKitApplication:Untitled-1[0x8c4][63]
default 10:13:20.026316 -0700   assertiond  Unable to get pid for 
'UIKitApplication:Untitled-1[0x8c4][63]': No such process (3)
error   10:13:20.026768 -0700   SpringBoard [Untitled-1] Bootstrap failed 
with error: 
error   10:13:20.026822 -0700   SpringBoard Bootstrapping failed for 
 with error: Error 
Domain=BKSProcessErrorDomain Code=1 "Unable to bootstrap process with bundleID 
Untitled-1" UserInfo={NSLocalizedDescription=Unable to bootstrap process with 
bundleID Untitled-1, BKSProcessExitReason=0, NSLocalizedFailureReason=Failed to 
start job, NSUnderlyingError=0x2812199e0 {Error Domain=NSPOSIXErrorDomain 
Code=3 "No such process" 
UserInfo={BKLaunchdOperation=launch_get_running_pid_4SB, 
NSLocalizedDescription=Unable to get pid for label 
UIKitApplication:Untitled-1[0x8c4][63], 
BKLaunchdJobLabel=UIKitApplication:Untitled-1[0x8c4][63], 
NSLocalizedFailureReason=No such process}}, 
BKSProcessJobLabel=UIKitApplication:Untitled-1[0x8c4][63], 
BSErrorCodeDescription=bootstrap-failed}
default 10:13:20.026916 -0700   SpringBoard Adding: 
default 10:13:20.026997 -0700   SpringBoard  exited.
default 10:13:20.027946 -0700   SpringBoard Removing: 

default 10:13:20.032999 -0700   SpringBoard Application process state 
changed for Untitled-1: 
default 10:13:20.033138 -0700   SpringBoard Process exited: 
 -> 
 {
stateAtExit = ;
}
default 10:13:20.033257 -0700   SpringBoard Application process state 
changed for Untitled-1: (null)
error   10:13:20.034136 -0700   assertiond  Failed to start job with error 
 {
description = "Unable to get pid for label 
UIKitApplication:Untitled-1[0x8c4][63]";
failureReason = "No such process";
userInfo = {
BKLaunchdJobLabel = UIKitApplication:Untitled-1[0x8c4][63];
BKLaunchdOperation = launch_get_running_pid_4SB;
}
}
default 10:13:20.034175 -0700   assertiond  Deleted job with label: 
UIKitApplication:Untitled-1[0x8c4][63]
default 10:13:20.623005 -0700   SpringBoard Front display did change: 



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Re: Autocomplete in 9.0.1 RC1

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

I think it’s a convention issue. Normally autocomplete is triggered with the 
tab key. You can right arrow down the list and then press tab, and it will do 
the line you were on.

You could argue that enter/return should work as well, but then you don’t have 
a way to indicate that you don’t want autocomplete at all, you really wanted to 
call your handler ‘on moused’.


> On Jul 20, 2018, at 1:40 PM, Stephen MacLean via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> Maybe I’m missing something, but Autocomplete in the 9.0.1 RC1 doesn’t seem 
> to work… I try selecting the appropriate pop up from the list with the right 
> arrow key, but it doesn’t complete and just stays there.
> 
> TIA,
> 
> Steve MacLean
> 
> 9.0.1 RC1 Business
> 
> 
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Re: iOS 12 compatibility (panagiotis merakos)

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

>From 9.0.1 (rc 1) I can get an app to run on iOS 12, with the 
>acceleratedRendering set to true.


> On Jul 25, 2018, at 2:43 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> It seems the crash is related to screen updates, and adding this to the
> preopenstack handler prevents the app from crashing:
> 
> 
> 
> Could you please confirm?
> 
> Best,
> Panos
> --
> 
> PS: We are still investigating.
> 
> On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 9:51 AM, panagiotis merakos 
> wrote:
> 
>> Thanks Andrew. I just upgraded the test device to iOS 12 beta 4 and I
>> confirm apps still crash on startup. Sigh :(
>> 
>> Best,
>> Panos
>> --
>> 
>> On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 6:28 PM, Andrew Bell via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Based on the fact that my apps are still crashing on load in iOS 12 beta
>>> 4 (16A5327f) I can only assume that Fortnite was NOT written in Livecode ;)
>>> 
>>> --Andrew Bell
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: panagiotis merakos 
 To: How to use LiveCode 
 Subject: Re: iOS 12 compatibility
 Message-ID:
>>> ail.com>
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
 
 BTW Fortnite app seems to have suffered from a similar problem on iOS 12,
 and a user on Reddit said that this was fixed on iOS 12 beta 4. Fingers
 crossed :)
 
 Best,
 Panos
 --
 
 On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 8:37 AM, panagiotis merakos 
 wrote:
 
 Hi all,
> 
> iOS 12 beta 4 is out today. I will install it on our test device and
> have
> a play tomorrow. If anyone tries it sooner, please post your results
> here :)
> 
> Best regards,
> Panos
> --
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Re: iOS 12 compatibility

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

Did you mean all iOS apps, or LC ones in particular? I know that Skype crashes 
for example. If you have an app in the store I could test it for you.


> On Jul 25, 2018, at 2:43 PM, Randy Hengst via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Not to be alarmist, but does this discovery suggest all current iOS apps will 
> break when iOS 12 comes out?
> 
> be well,
> randy
> www.classroomFocusedSoftware.com
> 
>> On Jul 25, 2018, at 5:22 PM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Ok, one less issue to tackle then :)
>> 
>> If you could file a bug report with a reproducible recipe (and ideally a
>> sample stack), this will help us identify and fix the problem in an
>> upcoming release.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Panos
>> --
>> 
>>> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 5:13 PM,  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I've been using 9.0.0.
>>> 
>>> When using 9.0.1rc1 the black flash (issue #1) disappears but my
>>> navigation breaks (issue #2) when I enable acceleratedRendering.
>>> 
>>> When using 9.0.0 acceleratedRendering messes up all sorts of stuff like my
>>> navigation and has a lot of flashing black space, not just at app launch.
>>> 
>>> --Andrew Bell
>>> 
>>> --
>>> 
>>> 
>>> @Andrew thanks for checking.
>>> 
>>> Which LC version do you now use? We have fixed *a lot* of
>>> acceleratedrendering-related issues in LC 9.0.1- RC-1, so issue #2 might be
>>> already fixed.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Panos
>>> --
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 2:11 PM, Andrew Bell via use-livecode <
>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>   Yes, enabling acceleratedRendering in the preOpenStack does allow the
>>> app to launch in iOS 12! I was not able to actually install the app
>>> directly to the device from LiveCode (got a generic "Error" message) so I
>>> had to uninstall 12, install the app under 11, then upgrade back to 12
>>> (public beta 3) to test.
>>> 
>>>   I now remember why I disabled acceleratedRendering in the first place:
>>>1- it adds a quick black screen during the launch of the app (between
>>> the openStack and openCard it seems)
>>>2- it breaks the navigation system that I implemented to get from
>>> card to card (animation of a group that appears from off card)
>>> 
>>>   I can live with #1 for now and will start plotting a work around for
>>> #2 just so I can get an update out the door. Thanks for looking into this!
>>> 
>>>   --Andrew Bell
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: iOS 12 compatibility

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

I had tried some in the past, and so re-downloaded those, and also downloaded 
other free ones. Think I have five now. All of them settle on the splash 
screen, flash briefly to a black screen, do the 3D spin, then either went to a 
black screen and stayed there, or quit out to the iOS home screen. They get a 
lot further than my test app before I did the acceleratedRendering fix.

I think you should find a device that you can test iOS 12 on.

> On Jul 25, 2018, at 4:19 PM, Randy Hengst via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> LC apps. I should have been more specific. 
> 
> be well,
> randy
> www.classroomFocusedSoftware.com
> 
>> On Jul 25, 2018, at 6:56 PM, Colin Holgate via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Did you mean all iOS apps, or LC ones in particular? I know that Skype 
>> crashes for example. If you have an app in the store I could test it for you.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 25, 2018, at 2:43 PM, Randy Hengst via use-livecode 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Not to be alarmist, but does this discovery suggest all current iOS apps 
>>> will break when iOS 12 comes out?
>>> 
>>> be well,
>>> randy
>>> www.classroomFocusedSoftware.com
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 25, 2018, at 5:22 PM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Ok, one less issue to tackle then :)
>>>> 
>>>> If you could file a bug report with a reproducible recipe (and ideally a
>>>> sample stack), this will help us identify and fix the problem in an
>>>> upcoming release.
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> Panos
>>>> --
>>>> 
>>>>> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 5:13 PM,  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I've been using 9.0.0.
>>>>> 
>>>>> When using 9.0.1rc1 the black flash (issue #1) disappears but my
>>>>> navigation breaks (issue #2) when I enable acceleratedRendering.
>>>>> 
>>>>> When using 9.0.0 acceleratedRendering messes up all sorts of stuff like my
>>>>> navigation and has a lot of flashing black space, not just at app launch.
>>>>> 
>>>>> --Andrew Bell
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> @Andrew thanks for checking.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Which LC version do you now use? We have fixed *a lot* of
>>>>> acceleratedrendering-related issues in LC 9.0.1- RC-1, so issue #2 might 
>>>>> be
>>>>> already fixed.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Panos
>>>>> --
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 2:11 PM, Andrew Bell via use-livecode <
>>>>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yes, enabling acceleratedRendering in the preOpenStack does allow the
>>>>> app to launch in iOS 12! I was not able to actually install the app
>>>>> directly to the device from LiveCode (got a generic "Error" message) so I
>>>>> had to uninstall 12, install the app under 11, then upgrade back to 12
>>>>> (public beta 3) to test.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I now remember why I disabled acceleratedRendering in the first place:
>>>>>  1- it adds a quick black screen during the launch of the app (between
>>>>> the openStack and openCard it seems)
>>>>>  2- it breaks the navigation system that I implemented to get from
>>>>> card to card (animation of a group that appears from off card)
>>>>> 
>>>>> I can live with #1 for now and will start plotting a work around for
>>>>> #2 just so I can get an update out the door. Thanks for looking into this!
>>>>> 
>>>>> --Andrew Bell
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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Re: ANN: *** targetSdkVersion requirements Android ***

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One problem this may introduce is that from Android 6 onwards you’re expected 
to only ask permission to use features at the time the user reaches that part 
of your app, like it has always been on iOS. I wrote about publishing to 
Android before Android 6, I’m not sure how that gets handled. Are there 
features in LiveCode to cover the difficulty of asking for permission at 
runtime instead of when the app is installed?


> On Jul 25, 2018, at 8:57 PM, Erik Beugelaar via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> 
> 
> Starting from August 2018 for new apps and November 2018 for existing apps,
> Google will force developers to set the targetSdkVersion to 26+:
>  d-performance.html>
> https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2017/12/improving-app-security-and
> -performance.html
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Erik
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Re: Home Screen Icon Not Rendered on iOS

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

Do you all know about the Assets.car requirement in iOS 11? Instead of 
including individual icons (which you have to do to support older iOS), you now 
include an Assets.car file, that has all of the icon sizes. It would be an 
included file.

It is possible to make the file using Xcode, but I found that some icon sizes 
were being left out, and Apple rejects apps like that. Fortunately someone made 
an online tool, you give it your 1024x1024 icon, it gives you back the 
Assets.car file:

http://www.applicationloader.net/appuploader/icontool.php

It also makes the needed Android icons.


> On Jul 30, 2018, at 8:52 AM, panagiotis merakos via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Do the icons have an alpha channel? I *think* they are not allowed to have
> one.
> 
> Best,
> Panos
> --
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 4:01 PM, Mike Kerner via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Yes, I've had a similar problem, but I haven't figured it out.  I went back
>> and found a couple of icons we had used several years ago.  They do work,
>> so I'm also baffled.
>> 
>> On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 10:11 AM Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via
>> use-livecode  wrote:
>> 
>>> Apple continues to give us grief…Anyone else have this context.
>>> 
>>> Mac OS High Sierra 10.13.6
>>> LC: 9.0.1 RC1
>>> Xcode 9.4.1
>>> iOS (on phone) 11.4.1
>>> 
>>> No matter what I do, I can't get the Home screen icon to render on the
>>> phone. It always "generic"
>>> 
>>> All icons are entered into SA at correct dimensions. Whether  we use
>>> "prerendered" on not, still doesn't work.
>>> No entitlements issues, build goes through with no error. Just no proper
>>> icon.
>>> 
>>> Previously, in Xcode 9.3 this same problem was solved by saying  "Yes" to
>>> Apple's Dialog on Xcode start up
>>> 
>>> "Do You Want to Install Additional Components?"
>>> 
>>> After that, restarting Xcode, restart LC and the icon rendered.
>>> 
>>> But Xcode 9.3 will not build for iOS 11.4.1. AND XCode 9.4.1. invokes no
>>> dialog for "Additional Components"  -- it opens "silently" and on Apple's
>>> developer site there are no additional component for 9.4.1? (in
>> downloads)
>>> I tried manually adding the 9.3 Components (little applications that I
>> put
>>> the Xcode applications folder). but still no go…
>>> 
>>> I am stumped.
>>> 
>>> I can still build and get my beta testers to check the app - minus a
>>> proper home screen icons. But sure would be nice to solve this one.
>>> 
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A few solutions to problems I had

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

I needed to refresh an app today, not one in any store, just a utility app I 
made for a friend. It didn’t go easily!

First issue was that between my old MacBook Pro running macOS 10.14, and my new 
MacBook Pro running 10.13.6, I couldn’t find a combination of LiveCode and 
Xcode that would work. I tried versions 7, 8, and 9. Then I tried 9.0.1 rc1 
with my new machine, and that finally worked!

That soon got me through to the next error, which was about how it couldn’t 
find a valid signing entity. The phrase was clear enough that it made it easy 
to find a post that Scott Rossi had made, talking about how Apple’s certificate 
had expired. I grabbed the new version but it wasn’t enough, so I revoked and 
remade my certificate and profile, and then I was able to install onto my iOS 
12 iPad (using Xcode).

The app, of course, crashed immediately, but that one I knew the answer to 
already! I added the acceleratedRendering = true code, and the app got further. 
It jumps to a second stack as part of what it does, and then the crash happened 
again. Interesting that acceleratedRendering doesn’t persist between stacks. I 
added the code to the second stack, and things are all good now, even on iOS 12.

One challenge though is that the Mac my friend has with him at the moment has 
an old enough version of iTunes that it could be used for install apps, but the 
iOS on his iPad is too new for that iTunes to cope with. Next best option is to 
use the Apple Configurator 2 from the App Store, but his Mac OS is too old to 
run that application. One thing that would be bound to work in the iPhone 
Configuration Utility, but Apple have removed the download page for that. I 
don’t seem to have a copy of it anymore.

He’s going to be somewhere with a more modern Mac on Friday, and so should be 
able to install the app with the new configuration tool. Installing apps can be 
quite tricky sometimes!
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Re: How to filter a list with a variable anywhere in a line

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In that book I wrote there is a chapter on making a web scraper, something that 
could pull images and other media from a web page. I soon found all the 
articles talking about not using regex with HTML, so I used a mixture of 
techniques instead. Here’s the first part I wrote about it:

“A common approach when extracting a known pattern of text is to use regular 
expressions, often referred to as regex or regexp. At its simplest it's easy to 
understand, but it can get quite complex. Read the Wikipedia article if you 
want to understand it in depth:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regular_expression

Another useful source of information is this Packt article on regular 
expressions:

http://www.packtpub.com/article/regular-expressions-python-26-text-processing

One problem though is that using regexp to parse HTML content is frowned upon. 
There are scores of articles online telling you outright not to parse HTML with 
regexp! Here's one pithy example:

http://boingboing.net/2011/11/24/why-you-shouldnt-parse-html.html

Now, parsing HTML source is exactly what we want to do here, and one solution 
to the problem is to mix and match, using LiveCode's other text matching and 
filtering abilities to do most of the work. Although it's not exactly regexp, 
LiveCode can use regular expressions in some of its matching and filtering 
functions, and they are somewhat easier to understand than full-blown regexp. 
So, let's begin by using those …”

A few pages later I do use some regex to pull text from the page:

function getText pPageSource
   put 
replaceText(pPageSource,"(?:<(?Pscript|style)[\s\S]*?)|(?:)|(?:<[\s\S]*?>)","")
 into pPageSource
   replace lf with "" in pPageSource”
   replace tab with " " in pPageSource
   return pPageSource
end getText
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Re: Fun with Windows 10

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I tried both 8.1.1 and 9.0.1 in Windows 10 Home version 1803, and they were ok.

If you get Properties on the EXE, and “Run compatibility tourbleshooter”, does 
that show up anything?
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Re: iPad Pro Simulator

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This is not obvious at all, but the splash screen name of 
default-portr...@2x.png is now owned by iPad Pro. To support iPad Pro, iPad 
Retina, and iPad 1, you need these splash screens:

default-portr...@2x.png - 2048x2732
Default-Portrait@2x~ipad.png - 1536x2048
Default-Portrait~ipad.png - 768x1024

Or for landscape:

default-landsc...@2x.png - 2732x2048
Default-Landscape@2x~ipad - 2048x1536
Default-Landscape~ipad = 1024x768



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Re: [OT]Silly weekend LC poll

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

I’m with Matthias on this. Some abbreviations are their own thing, and you 
don’t want to reminisce over where the short version came from. LOC is spelled 
LOC, not Loke, and CHAR is not spelled as Chare or Care.

But it’s your choice, I don’t char.


> On Aug 25, 2018, at 3:35 PM, Devin Asay via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> “Care” and “loke”. Habits from way back in the HyperCard days.  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 25, 2018, at 1:28 PM, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> CHAR  rhymes with far
>> LOC rhymes with lock.
>> 
>> This is at least how i pronounce them. But i am native German and not native 
>> English.
>> 
>> Btw.: due to the fact that LC language is english like,  you should see my 
>> comments  and variable names in my scripts.
>> They are mixed, some comments are in english some in german, even in one and 
>> the same script. It could be that i use tDate in one script and in another  
>> one tDatum as date var.
>> But that´s an other story.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Matthias
>> 
>> 
>>> Am 25.08.2018 um 21:07 schrieb J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>>> :
>>> 
>>> I wonder how people pronounce two common LC abbreviations. In print you 
>>> never notice but in real life I always have to translate what they're 
>>> talking about.
>>> 
>>> How do you pronounce:
>>> 
>>> CHAR
>>> Rhymes with "care"
>>> Sounds like smoldering wood
>>> 
>>> LOC
>>> Rhymes with "smoke"
>>> Sounds like a deadbolt
>>> 
>>> I suppose there are others.
>>> -- 
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Re: [OT] Accommodation in Edinburgh

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For the last conference in Edinburgh I used AirBNB. It worked out well, and I 
biked to the conference each day in a few minutes.
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Re: iOS 12 compatibility

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You could write that you have tested under iOS 12, maybe that would be ok? 
Saying that you had to do something proactive in order to support iOS 12 is 
indirectly reporting that Apple software had issues.


> On Sep 10, 2018, at 11:37 AM, Randy Hengst via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Andrew,
> 
> What version of LC and Xcode combination did you use for your build?
> 
> be well,
> randy
> www.classroomFocusedSoftware.com
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 10, 2018, at 10:30 AM, Andrew Bell via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Thank you Livecode crew for patching Bug 21396 that required 
>> acceleratedRendering to be TRUE in order for an app to launch in iOS 12! 
>> Word of advice to developers as they submit their new builds to Apple 
>> (because if you don't, and you don't have acceleratedRendering enabled in 
>> your stack, your app won't launch in the new operating system): don't 
>> mention the fact that the new OS broke the existing app.
>> 
>> In my "What's New in This Version" text, I mentioned "added iOS 12 
>> compatibility" which apparently is a big no-no. My latest submission got 
>> rejected for breaking PLA 2.3 which states "Apple may provide You with 
>> pre-release versions of the Apple Software or related services that 
>> constitute Apple Confidential Information and are subject to the 
>> confidentiality obligations of this Agreement."
>> 
>> So Apple released a public beta, that beta broke developer software as 
>> reported by public beta users, but we can't speak of such things. *eye roll*
>> 
>> Luckily this is just a metadata rejection that doesn't require a new build. 
>> Just thought I'd share my experience to help save someone else the 
>> embarrassment of breaking your NDA with a company who has a $1T market cap.
>> 
>> --Andrew Bell
>> 
>> 
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Re: Natural Programming

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I’m surprised you can tell anyone about that.


> On Sep 11, 2018, at 11:18 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
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> You know, programming comes so naturally to me, it's like it's in my NDA. 
> 
> Bob S
> 
> 


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Re: App Dead on iOS 12

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For icons to show up you need to make an Assets.car file with the icons in it. 
Here is one example tool for making that file:

http://www.applicationloader.net/appuploader/icontool.php 


I think you just then include the file in the Files section.

> On Sep 17, 2018, at 7:02 PM, Dan Friedman via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Terry,
> 
> So, here's what I've discovered in the last 40 minutes…
> 
> If you add, "set the acceleratedRendering of stack myStack to true", then 
> things start working again.  However, I did find that if I had more than one 
> stack open, and the second stack did not have acceleratedRendering enabled, 
> then the app crashed.
> 
> Most everything seems to be working ok once the app is open.   Visual Effects 
> are working fine, but I’m having some issues with moving controls (on 
> mouseMove) and the like…  S—l—u—g—i—s—h !!
> 
> 
> Thank you!
> 
> Dan Friedman
> CEO, ClearVision Technologies, LLC
> Voice: 909/484-2052
> http://www.clearvisiontech.com
> 
> 
> On 9/17/18, 3:51 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of Terry Judd via use-livecode" 
>  use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>Yeah - I just updated an iPad to iOS 12 and 2 LC apps that were already 
> installed on it now just show a black screen (with the outlines of a couple 
> of native fields) after the splash screen. I kinda assumed they would just 
> still work.
> 
>Terry...
> 
>On 18/09/2018 7:56 am, "use-livecode on behalf of Dan Friedman via 
> use-livecode"  use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>I see that all my apps are launching and immediately crashing on iOS 
> 12.  I rebuilt the app using 9.0.1 and I get the same result.  Since this 
> list isn't blowing up with people complaining about this, I have must have 
> missed the meeting about the secret button to click to get things working.   
> Anyone have any words of wisdom?
> 
>HELP!
> 
>-Dan
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Re: App Dead on iOS 12

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Is what you said true for older LiveCode, or just 9.0.1?


> On Sep 17, 2018, at 8:09 PM, Monte Goulding via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On 18 Sep 2018, at 9:47 am, Colin Holgate via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> For icons to show up you need to make an Assets.car file with the icons in 
>> it. Here is one example tool for making that file:
>> 
>> http://www.applicationloader.net/appuploader/icontool.php 
>> <http://www.applicationloader.net/appuploader/icontool.php> 
>> <http://www.applicationloader.net/appuploader/icontool.php 
>> <http://www.applicationloader.net/appuploader/icontool.php>>
>> 
>> I think you just then include the file in the Files section.
> 
> This is not necessary as the standalone builder will use actool to create the 
> Assets.car for you however you do need to install Xcode’s additional 
> components in order to make actool available.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Monte


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Re: Move the Mouse

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There is the screenMouseLoc, which is the cursor’s location on the whole 
screen. To move it to be on a button I guess you would add the left and top of 
the card window, to the x and y position you want to move to.



> On Oct 1, 2018, at 2:36 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Has this been asked before?? I'm trying to set the mouse location to the loc 
> of a particulat button. The mouseLoc is read only. I cannot find a command 
> for doing this! Am I having another senior moment??
> 
> Bob S
> 


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Re: how to properly use the fullscreenmode and screen scaling

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No comment about the main code you showed, but what you said about showAll 
isn’t quite right. All of the card will always be visible. On devices wider 
than the horizontal ratio of the card, extra content will be revealed from off 
of the left and right of the card, the height of the card will fill the height 
of the device screen. On devices that are a narrower ratio than the horizontal 
ratio of the card, extra content is revealed from off of the top and bottom of 
the card, the width of the card will fill the width of the device screen. No 
combination should ever crop into the card area.

The easiest way to use showAll is to have all of the important things within 
the card window, then have enough extra stuff off all edges. Until recently I 
would make the card window be 16:9, and have enough content above and below the 
card to cope with iPad. That approach worked well for all devices from iPhone 5 
to iPad (16:9 to 4:3, using landscape as an example). With the super wide 
recent Samsung phones (and Pixel 3 too), and the even wider iPhone X, the ratio 
gets as high as 19.5:9.

Now my approach is to have a 16:9 card, extra content up to 4:3 as before, but 
now extra content off the left and right to reach a ratio of 20:9. My typical 
16:9 size is 1024x576, and 20:9 gives a familiar looking 1280x576.

So, card window of 1024x576 and all important objects within that space, extra 
background above and below the card, to give 1024x768, and extra content off 
the left and right to give 1280x576. You could of course have backgrounds that 
are 1280x768, that would do no harm. The parts in the corners will never be 
seen.

On top of all that you may well want to place some things using code, but 
remember that the later Android phones, and the iPhone X, have a notch, so 
don’t place things at the far left center of a landscape app.
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Re: how to properly use the fullscreenmode and screen scaling

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That’s fair enough. Rotating a phone so the bottom of the portrait phone is now 
to the right, is a right-handed way of thinking I guess! So yes, avoid the 
right middle too, for the benefit of left-handed people.

> On Oct 29, 2018, at 10:31 AM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 29/10/2018 14:18, Colin Holgate via use-livecode wrote:
>> On top of all that you may well want to place some things using code, but 
>> remember that the later Android phones, and the iPhone X, have a notch, so 
>> don’t place things at the far left center of a landscape app.
>> 
> Should that be "far left center" or "far-left or right center" ?
> Are people consistent enough about rotating 90'  anti-clockwise, or do they 
> (like me) sometimes rotate the other way ?
> [ I've never used a phone with a notch, so don't know if that leads to 
> greater consistency ]
> 
> Thanks
> Alex.


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Re: NSURLErrorDomain error -999

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Mr Google suggested this page:

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/1024748/how-do-i-fix-nsurlerrordomain-error-999-in-iphone-3-0-os
 


"This error may occur if an another request is made before the previous request 
of WebView is completed."
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Re: NSURLErrorDomain error -999

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I took the iOS part of the problem as being incidental, even if it was where 
the problem showed up. Are you doing something that affects a web view, and 
then doing something else before that first change has happened?
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Re: Reading data from Google Sheets

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On a Google Sheets page there is a Share button in the upper right. If it has a 
padlock it hasn’t been set up for sharing. Once you click on it you can set 
various options, including one where anyone with the link can view without 
having to sign in.
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Re: iOS Policies

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I’ve seen similar issues if you add in awards, such as “Best App in Google 
Play”. Pretty sure Amazon are similar about promoting other apps stores, and 
even Google apps go through a review process.

You wouldn’t dream of putting “Support for iOS 12 and iPhone X” in your Android 
submissions, though you might get away with it. Just get used to only having 
meta data that is needed for that particular store.
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Re: OT: iOS Policies

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

We just got an app removed from Google Play because the metadata included 
references to other works. That’s 6 years after the app was approved for the 
store. It’s not just Apple that do these things. Here’s the Google article on 
what will lead to a rejection:

https://play.google.com/about/storelisting-promotional/metadata/
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Re: Xcode for El Capitan

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

If you have an Apple developer account you can log into you can get older 
versions of Xcode here:

https://developer.apple.com/download/more/

It does have Xcode 9, as well as the later 9.x versions.


> On Dec 7, 2018, at 11:25 AM, Brian Milby via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Generally it is better to download Xcode from the Apple developer site than 
> the App Store since you frequently need to have multiple versions around.  
> Older versions are found there.
> 
> Thanks,
> Brian
> On Dec 7, 2018, 3:22 PM -0600, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode 
> , wrote:
>> Is there any way or place to download Xcode for El Capitan? I think this
>> is Xcode 9?
>> 
>> The MacOS app store only has Xcode 10.1 (or I can only find 10.1 which
>> requires OSX 10.13+ (High Sierra)
>> 
>> Any advice would be welcome.
>> 
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Re: Xcode for El Capitan

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

The link we gave to the downloads page has a search field. I tried Xcode 8, and 
it seems they are all there. The latest v8 is 8.3.3, and it isn’t easy to tell 
which OS it needs.

This Wikipedia article backs up your theory that 8.2.1 is the latest for El 
Capitan:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xcode


> On Dec 7, 2018, at 12:42 PM, JB via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I am using El Capitan 10.11.6 and my Xcode is
> version 8.2.1.  It is possible I missed a later
> version but if it was upgraded automatically
> then that is the latest version that will work
> on my El Capitan.
> 
> JB
> 
> 
>> On Dec 7, 2018, at 1:22 PM, Paul Dupuis via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Is there any way or place to download Xcode for El Capitan? I think this is 
>> Xcode 9?
>> 
>> The MacOS app store only has Xcode 10.1 (or I can only find 10.1 which 
>> requires OSX 10.13+ (High Sierra)
>> 
>> Any advice would be welcome.
>> 
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Re: Can't Submit App to iTunes

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

iPhone 5 support requires default-5...@2x.png. It is a portrait image 
(640x1136), but it’s needed for landscape apps too. It’s what Apple uses to 
decide that you want to use the extra space, as opposed to having an iPhone 4 
app that is centered with black borders.

For a landscape app it would be your 16:9 splash screen image rotated clockwise 
90 degrees.
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Re: JIGSAW PUZZLE 2d-video v_100

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

The loading percentage is working now, and videos are playing ok in Safari 
(they didn’t before). Frame rate is still a bit slow.
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Re: $1,000 Bounty For LiveCode Bug 20240

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

Ha! That was the bug all along!

Just kidding. I noticed that too. I was going to upload an mp4 so that more 
people could check it out, but that required downloading the AVI.



> On Aug 14, 2017, at 8:07 PM, ** Clarence P Martin ** via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> The AVI is Blank.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Clarence Martin
> Email: chi...@themartinz.com
> Cell: 626 6965561
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
> Of RunRevPlanet via use-livecode
> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 4:39 PM
> To: Use LiveCode 
> Cc: RunRevPlanet 
> Subject: $1,000 Bounty For LiveCode Bug 20240
> 
> Hi,
>  
> Over at LiveCode Quality Control Centre (QCC) there is a Bug 20240 has been
> a problem for me lately. 
>  
> I understand that a significant effort has been put into finding a fix over
> the past years, but without success. The problem behaviour has been reported
> before, my report is simply the latest one. And since it cannot be
> reproduced on demand it is a tough one to solve.
>  
> There is a video of it at QCC at that shows what happens, if you have not
> come across it yourself.
>  
> To encourage more eyes to look at the code, I have put up a bounty of
> $1,000AUD to the individual who resolves the problem with a fix.
>  
> More details are in the bug report here:
>  
> http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=20240
>  
> If you have any questions about the bug, or the bounty, I can answer them
> here.
>  
> Note it is only Australian dollars, but depending on the exchange rate, or
> where you live that might be a bonus?
>  
> Good luck! And I really hope to be able to reward someone with this money!
> --
> Scott McDonald
> http://thelivecodelab.com/
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Re: $1,000 Bounty For LiveCode Bug 20240

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

VLC is great, but it only works if you get past the download stage.

> On Aug 14, 2017, at 9:58 PM, RunRevPlanet via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
>> I transcoded Scott's video to m4v and uploaded it for those
>> who interested and coudn't see it.
> 
> Thank you Warren. I use VLC for all my video playback needs. It generally
> handles anything thrown at it, so I wasn't aware that the encoding may not be
> compatible for everyone.
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Re: Completely OT - flat earth

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

I was in the southwest of England that day. It was very dense cloud, so we 
didn’t see the sun at all. Here’s a time-lapse of what we saw:

https://www.facebook.com/colin.holgate.5/videos/10159330354275694/

> On Aug 22, 2017, at 5:03 AM, Francis Nugent Dixon via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> 11 August 1999 - We went out on our (Honda) bikes to find THE SPOT.
> It was somewhere North-East of Paris. The birds were so petrified, they
> stopped singing - A once in a lifetime experience (next one here is far
> enough away from today to not interest me, as I most definitely WILL
> NOT be there !!!)
> And for the second experience of a lifetime - LIVECODE ! All the way from
> the eighties, through Hypercard, etc, and now my daily bread. Screw the 
> other languages (Google Go, iOS Swift, Hack, Rust, Julia, Scala, Dart). I
> have what I need, and I'm too old to spend a year (or even more) on 
> investigating new languages, when LiveCode does what I want (and 
> more !)
> 
> I have my flat earth, and I will use Livecode to my last day ..
> 
> -Francis


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Re: Completely OT - flat earth

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

Here’s a video I took from my plane seat yesterday:

https://www.facebook.com/colin.holgate.5/videos/10159330358430694/

Unfortunately we crossed the eclipse path sooner than I hoped, and so only got 
around 75% eclipse.
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Re: Completely OT - flat earth

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

It’s time-lapse. Can’t remember how many minutes it was over, but it wasn’t 
many pictures.

> On Aug 22, 2017, at 8:14 AM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 08/22/2017 06:25 AM, Colin Holgate via use-livecode wrote:
>> I was in the southwest of England that day. It was very dense cloud, so we 
>> didn’t see the sun at all. Here’s a time-lapse of what we saw:
>> https://www.facebook.com/colin.holgate.5/videos/10159330354275694/
> 
> That's pretty annoying.
> Did you really post a one-second loop or did something mess up again?
> 
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Re: Completely OT - flat earth

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

I manually fixed each picture to make them match, more or less:

https://www.facebook.com/colin.holgate.5/videos/10159333252840694/



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Re: Site won't load

[Colin Holgate via use-livecode]

If this was iOS, Apple don’t allow loading of insecure sites. Are the ones that 
work HTTPS and the ones that don’t HTTP?



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