Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another petition: Open Document Format

[Andy]

On 24/02/07, Greg Dash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I really do question how effect these petitions are. Blair did after
> all ignore the opinion of 1.7million people over Road pricing :(

Ah but you do get an email with a link to an official response, which
is normally ill-informed and ignores the points being made.

Ah Democracy, it works so well.

At least I can exercise my right to not vote for Mr Blair, oh wait no
I can't he isn't standing in an election, darn.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] UK Patent Laws

[Andy]

On 28/02/07, Benjamin Webb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Apparently software patents are
> already illegal in the UK.

Well according to the patent office the following is not patentable:
> (c) a scheme, rule or method for performing
>  a mental act, playing a game or doing
>  business, or a program for a computer;

Of course I Am Not A Lawyer.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Security on Ubuntu

[Andy]

On 04/03/07, Roberto Sarrionandia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Anyone who told you not to have a firewall is pretty foolish,

Anti-virus is only needed if you can't configure applications properly.

Why have the firewall drop inbound traffic? The traffic will only
really do damage if a program is listening for input on that port. Why
have a program listen to a port just to firewall it out. You may as
well not have had the program bind to that port in the first place.

The reason firewalls are common on Windows is that Windows comes with
so much listening to the outside world its hard to turn it all off.

Of course some applications will try to listen to a port, they are
normally spy ware, don't install them in the first place.

of course a firewall is always nice to see if people are trying to
make inbound connections to you.

And of course you could always have a hardware firewall, most (all)
NAT routers provide some level of firewalling (they haven't got much
choice really, it's part of how NAT works).

(having said all this I have Firestarter configure IPTables, just in
case I stupidly install a daemon.)

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] problem reports

[Andy]

On 07/04/07, London School of Puppetry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have had a few crashes and the computer produces problem
> reports for firefox, but I don't know where I should send them to.

Filing a bug on launchpad might be wise.
Info on reporting a problem can be found at:
<http://www.ubuntu.com/community/reportproblem>

If you are stuck you could try asking on #ubuntu-bugs (Freenode IRC)

If you are looking for help then you could try:
ubuntu-users mailing list
#ubuntu on Freenode IRC
Launchpad support requests

If you need help with any of the above just ask.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Podcast Test Recording 1

[Andy]

On 14/05/07, Paul RJ Mellors <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> however i've now had a go at recording something, as a test to see what
> i actually sound like

Any chance of a free format?
<https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats>

How about Ogg Vorbis maybe?


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Sound recording

[Andy]

On 16/05/07, Robin Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I would be most grateful to anybody who can suggest a solution to this
> problem.

Going to need to know more than that ;)
What sound card do you have?

I had a problem with my sound card which caused mic problems and fixed
it as follows:
Open the volume control, and go to the options tab,
under "mic select" choose Mic2

The names and position of things may be different as I am on 6.06LTS
but if you find something similar to that you might want to try it.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] technical question

[Andy]

On 23/05/07, norman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Why sudo su - I thought that sudo by itself was root.
The su puts you in a super user shell.
You can execute that command first and then execute a several commands
without the need to prefix the others with sudo.

I think sudo is more advisable for some reason though.

> I did what I
> thought was right and got this:-
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sudo rmmod snd-hda-intel
> Password:
> ERROR: Module snd_hda_intel is in use

That would be a problem
There's probably a better way of doing this but could you type:
lsmod | grep -i 'snd-hda-intel'

should be able to see what is using it.
Modprobe doesn't seem to want to let it be unloaded for some reason.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] technical question

[Andy]

On 23/05/07, norman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ lsmod | grep -i 'snd-hda-intel'
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$

That means there where no matches in lsmod, probably due to me being a
bit stupid and forgetting that it should be _ not -, oops sorry.

try:
lsmod | grep -i 'snd_hda_intel'

failing that try:
lsmod | grep -i 'snd'
(may be somewhat longer

Andy

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] technical question

[Andy]

On 23/05/07, norman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ lsmod | grep -i 'snd_hda_intel'
> snd_hda_intel  20116  1
> snd_hda_codec 164608  1 snd_hda_intel
> snd_pcm84612  3 snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_pcm_oss
> snd58372  12
> snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_seq_oss,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq,snd_timer,snd_seq_device
> snd_page_alloc 11400  2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$

The problem is it won't let you remove snd-hda-intel because it's
being used by other stuff. There is a command to remove it and remove
other stuff with it as well.

The only problem is getting all the stuff it pulled out back again (of
course rebooting will put everything back luckily).

So type the following (and cross your fingers):

sudo -i
modprobe -r snd-hda-intel
modprobe snd-hda-intel probe_mask=8 model=auto
modprobe snd
exit

(the exit gets you out of the root terminal)

Tell me what happens.

I am basing this on Matthews email. It may or may not work.

Andy

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dell Ubuntu pricing revealed...

[Andy]

On 26/05/07, LeeUKHA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I went direct to Dell's website, and compared an Inspiron E1505N laptop
> (the Linux version) with an MS E1505.
>
> At first glance, the Linux version is cheaper, until you realise, it's
> only got half the RAM and onboard graphics. Add those to the list and
> it's $29 more expensive than the MS version...


I thought I would take a look myself.

And the first problem I hit?
Where is the Ubuntu option?
I clicked laptops and only got Windows. Had to go back to front page
and reload till it came up with the Ubuntu banner, this is NOT a good
start!

Identical Processors,
OS: Windows Vista Home Basic, Ubuntu (no support option).
Identical LCDs
Memory: Windows was 1GB, Ubuntu 512MB, upgraded to 1GB for $50
Identical hard drives
Identical optical drives
Graphics: Can't match no options are the same for both
The Windows ATI card may be on special offer so might be artificially
lower price
Could upgrade to nvidia for $79 (option not taken).
(skipping Windows only options: sound, mobile broadband and printers)
Identical batteries
Wireless cards, upgrading windows wireless card to match Ubuntu's at a
cost of $29

Software for windows box set to "none" for all options.

Final prices:

Windows: $728
Ubuntu:  $649

Inaccuracies:
Would have reduced cost of Windows box if I hadn't upgrade the wifi
card, not much functionality out of that upgrade anyway ($29)
Are the Graphics equivalent? Should I have upped the Ubuntu graphics ($79)

with the increased graphics it would have cost:
Windows: $728
Ubuntu: $728
(hmm identical price)

If I hadn't bothered pointlessly upgrading the Windows WiFi then the
Windows machine would have been $29 cheaper than Ubuntu.

So it all hinges on what you think is comparable?

Of course i there was an Ubuntu option under the OS components it
would be much easier to see what Windows was costing, and easier to
find Ubuntu!

Andy

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] WEP key

[Andy]

Hi (from a different andy)

On 30/05/07, London School of Puppetry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> but what no-one has explained to me in what it looks like- In my hand I have
> something called 802.11b/g  Security Gateway.  Is this a WEP or  a WAP ?

Lets be careful not to confuse WAP and WPA.
WAP is what mobile phones use to connect to the Internet.
WAP may also mean a "Wireless Access Point" which is can provide Wifi access.

WEP and WPA are security layers for running on your wireless network.

Your wireless access point or router should be plugged into some kind
of modem (probably a cable modem).

You then need a Wifi card or adapter in your PC, and they will send
message to each other through the air. Unfortunately anyone can read
this messages.

This is where WEP (Wired Equivalent Privacy) and WPA (Wi-Fi Protected
Access) come in. WEP was implemented badly and can be broken by an
attacker easily.
Both techniques where supposed to prevent people seeing your traffic
or using your WiFi.


Do you have any more information about your WAP? It's common for
companies to name things confusingly so it's hard to know precisely
what you have in your hand.

What does it look like?

> I
> have  plugged it in to  the computer, then plugged it using another cable
> into my Alcatel Speed Touch Pro Router thinking I would get
> use of my lap top downstairs for Internet but lost all internet connection
> for both computers?
> Is there something not compatible?

Not sure why you would need to plug anything else into the router.
Is the router WiFi or non-wifi? (does it have two small antenna's on it?)

If it's not WiFi then you would need an extra WiFi Access Point. This
shouldn't need to be plugged into your PC as well (should use a
separate port on the router.)

You're wireless access point would need to be configured so it knows
it's only an access point to extend a network otherwise it will start
trying to hand out IP address and do NAT traversal which could be bad.
May even end up assigning 2 machines the same IP.

For those interested in WEP security you should know it's not that
difficult to break, there's a program in the Ubuntu repositories for
cracking WEP. (DON'T do this on a network you don't have permission to
do this on).

Hope that helps

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] USB Drives

[Andy]

On 03/06/07, Ian Pascoe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've made sure that the system is set to auto mount USB devices, but I can't
> find it anywhere!

A link to it should appear on the desktop

Failing that open the file browser and go to /media it should be in a
folder called usbdisk (may vary).

If you still can't find it can you post output from:
mount

and your /etc/fstab

Also could you tell us which version of Ubuntu your are using?

Thanks
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] (no subject)

[Andy]

On 04/06/07, liam jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> i want to install a different media player,
> but just can't seem to do it,
>  1st, do i have to be online to load programes?

By "load" do you mean to run the program or do you mean to install the program?
Either way you shouldn't need to be online.

You can download "packages" from http://packages.ubuntu.com
and install them by clicking on them and they should open in Gdebi
You sometimes have to be careful to get all the dependencies.
If you get cyclical dependencies (e.g. A depends on B, B depends on C,
C depends on A) you can install with dpkg (dpkg -i [package names])

>  2nd, how do i adjust the write speed on the cd burner? as it just has a 1
> showing. and cannot be changed,

Not sure, with my DVD burner nautilus shows several options


Hope that helps

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] repo in a box

[Andy]

On 04/06/07, Alan Pope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 1) Licensing - would it be 100% legal to redistribute the entire (main,
> restricted, multiverse, universe) repository?

Not sure about "restricted" and "mutliverse", but "main" and
"universe" should be safe.
And some of the stuff in multiverse is probably safe, some of it's
only in there due to some stupid countries that have software patents

> 2) Cost - it would need to be less than the cost of capped broadband -
> although for those people with no opportunity to get broadband this might
> not be a problem :)

How much do the disks weigh?

> 4) Trust: Would a customer trust that the disk really does contain the repo
> and not some nasty spyware etc.

If it's an apt repo isn't the integrity of the package verified by
digital signature?
If the signing system in apt is used surely it doesn't matter how the
files got to you it would be extremely difficult to maliciously alter
them and still get a valid signature for them.

Of course I could be wrong, I don't know as much about apt as I should.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] (no subject)

[Andy]

On 04/06/07, Alan Pope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There is a slight flaw with those options. They assume you are using linux
> on the internet connected computer (in your case the library). This is
> unlikely to be the case, and as such you would need to look at the file
> generated (on your usb key) and manually grab the individual files onto the
> key.

Is it not possible to automatically parse the generate file to work
out which files to fetch and them fetch them automatically?
Would be good to have an app that can do that. Probably best to do it
in Java as that has the best deployment so is most likely to be on a
public computer.
Somebody must have thought of and done this before?

or another possibility would be to some how fetch a list of all
installed packages put that on a USB stick an have an application that
runs also on the stick and when hooked up to an Internet connected
computer it downloads new package lists, finds out which packages to
update and lets you chose new packages to install and grabs the files
so they can be installed when you get back to your Linux PC. to be
really clever it could install them for you when you get back.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] (no subject)

[Andy]

On 04/06/07, Alan Pope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Did you actually look at the sites I linked to? :)
>
> The files are human readable lists of
>
> wget http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/foo/bar/baz/package.deb

And how many public machines have you seen with wget on?
My library certainly doesn't have it, does your local library?

> Remember the KISS principle and that this USB key is being put into someone
> elses computer - in this case the library. You cannot assume that you can
> run applications from or install applications from the USB key.

But you can assume the presence of wget? It is much more likely they
will have a Java VM than have wget. And I never suggested installing
from the USB stick.
If the program is on the USB stick the java VM can invoke it. Yes it
is possible they have blocked the Java VM from running non approved
programs but less likely.

> Maybe the wget script could be translated into an html page which the user
> just clicks the files to get them.

Easy if there are 10, not so easy for a lot of them.

One question though, if your machine has never been connected to the
internet how is it going to have a list of packages from
Multiverse/Universe?

 Would this mean you couldn't get a list if you wanted to install from
these repositories?

Anyway it was just a suggestion.

We could always just do what Debian do, have 15 CDs of files and let
people with low speed connection buy them ;)

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Face to Face support on the Ohio

[Andy]

Hi

On 07/06/07, Rob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In addition wouldn't you have to offer an IRC / IM support service too?
>
>  i have an IRC server you guys can use irc.forthegamers.org find me
> (caboose) or Ghozer on there or wait for me to come online in #chat

We do have #ubuntu-uk on Freenode IRC.

Ubuntu does have IRC support on #ubuntu but it's normally very busy
(or at least whenever I have been there).

Who do we speak to at Ubuntu in the event we did want an Ubuntu UK
support channel?

It's possible to register an email address with IM, but how would we
go about getting multiple people able to answer?
Is it even possible on the common networks?


Couple of notes about Voice support:

One problem with call back is volunteers have to pay an unknown price
when then start the call. Who knows how long it's going to take to fix
the problem to start with? And if the number someone gives is a mobile
number then you're in for a hefty bill.

If it used VOIP for someone to ring in the support person wouldn't
have to pay. And it is still going to be cheaper than the 60p a minute
rubbish I got billed when I had to call for help with the dreaded
Windows (parents machine, not managed to persuade them to switch yet).

Or if you could have call back but the supporter makes a SIP
connection to some kind of Ubuntu-UK phone gateway and then the Ubuntu
UK community funds it in aggregate. Problem with that is you need
enough free lines to that server, unless the gateway somehow forwards
it to one of the commercial sip to phone companies. (I know very
little about VOIP btw).


One issue that would put me off helping is the fact I am not an
expert, I don't know the internal working of the kernel or X etc. so
some of the complex questions I will be stuck on. I can probably help
with the simpler of questions though. What does one do if you don't
know the answer, is it possible to setup some kind of facility to
"bounce" the call to someone more experienced? Maybe have a lists of
the help people and their speciality so for tough questions you can
send it to the most expert person in that area.


Also I know we already have email support but I don't think it's very
new person friendly.
Some people may not know what a mailing list is or how to work it, and
if they just want the solution to a problem they could find it
inconvenient to have to delve through everyone else's problems. Maybe
Ubuntu in general or the UK team could set up a web based form where
they type in problem and you can select a problem and email them back
with just there answer so they don't get flooded by loads of other
peoples questions. I suppose this is what launchpad answers is, can we
make it any easier. Does it email you when someone answers your
question and can you respond by hitting reply in your email client.
Maybe we could just publicise it a little better?


On the subject of recording stuff, would it not be helpful to fill out
a small report after the support call. It would be useful to know what
people are phoning up about so we know which bits are not user
friendly and so we can document common problems and have then at hand
for the support people to look up.

Sorry about the rather long email,

Andy


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] BBC Click includes Ubuntu

[Andy]

On 10/06/07, alan c <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I  can manage to get it to play using Real player, but I cannot think
> of how to capture the stream to view it later.

Ah there's a simple trick to that.
You need mplayer.
Then you find the address of the actual feed and check it plays in mplayer
If it does (it should do) then add -dumpstream on the command line.
You may also want to add -dumpfile FILETOSAVETO
If you don't it will save it in a file with dump in the name (I forget
the exact name).

Be warned the BBC prevent streaming faster than you can watch so
mplayer will take roughly the same amount of time as the clips length
to download the file.

As always for more info see: man mplayer

I find this ironic:
>Most computer tasks can be achieved by using completely free software,
> reports BBC Click.

Except of course watching the clip, or using the new BBC iPlayer!


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] BBC Click includes Ubuntu

[Andy]

On 10/06/07, Andy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Then you find the address of the actual feed and check it plays in mplayer
> If it does (it should do) then add -dumpstream on the command line.

Forgot to mention:
There is an "open in standalone player" link.
Right click that and chose "copy link location"
Then add the flag -playlist to the mplayer command line (the link is
to a .ram, and this is a list of .rm files to play).

So it would be something like:
mplayer -dumpstream -dumpfile click.rm -playlist 'URL'

(obviously replace URL with an actual URL.
Sit back and wait.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] 2 questions

[Andy]

On 11/06/07, John Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> How can I remove / stop every HD partition from appearing on my Desktop?

Go to Applications -> System tools ->configuration editor
or type gconf-editor in a terminal

Navigate the tree on the left:
apps- > nautilus -> desktop

untick the "volumes visible" box on the right pane.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Leaflets

[Andy]

On 12/06/07, James Tait <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Having asked a few people to ask me about Ubuntu, I got the following
> questions to add to the (already pretty long) list already raised in the
> thread:

I shall attempt to answer some of them ;)


>   > What does the word Ubuntu mean?

>From the FAQ (http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/faq)
Ubuntu is an African word, which has been described as "too beautiful
to translate into English". The essence of Ubuntu is that "a person is
a person through other people". It describes humanity as
"being-with-others" and prescribes what "being-with-others" should be
all about. Ubuntu emphasises sharing, consensus, and togetherness.
It's a perfect concept for Free Software and open source. Here's a
great article that describes Ubuntu, which may help define it.
Wikipedia also has a good definition.


>   > What support would I get if I needed help?

You can get commercial support (which you have to pay for) or free
support from the community. If you bought your PC with Linux
pre-installed your vendor may be able to help you.

We have extensive online documentation.
We have a malling list to ask questions on (you email your question
and it gets sent to a huge number of people who will try to help)
We have an IRC chat channel (like a big chatroom)
We have a forum
We also have a "support ticket" style system.

The chances are somebody will know how to fix your problem.

>   > Does it have a GUI similar to Windows or do I need to learn code?

Depends on what you mean by "similar". It has a point and click
graphical interface.

It does have a very powerful command line interface but it's there for
the people who want to use it, you won't really need to use it if you
don't want to.

You don't need to be able to "code" or "program".

>   > How secure is it?

It has a better security model than Windows. Fine grained access
control and limiting what users can do "by mistake" make it more
difficult for a virus to take over your entire system.

Also the software update system adds some more protection as it will
update all the core software together. You won't need to check for
updates in all your programs one by one anymore.

>   > Is Linux a passing fad?

It's not passed yet. And it doesn't show any signs of doing so now.



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] usb wireless

[Andy]

On 16/06/07, michaelweaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The device I now have is a USB stick.
> Should this be supported under Ubuntu?
> I ask as I have not been able to find any documentation which might tell
> me if USB sticks for wireless are supported.

It depends on the USB stick to be honest. They all work differently so
need different drivers. And the vendors tend to be less than helpful
in providing them.

Do you know the make and model of your USB stick?

Can you plug it in and type:
lsusb

it should list all attached USB devices. One of them should be your wifi.
You might want to do lsusb before inserting the stick as well as after
so you can see what changes.

You might need to use the Windows drivers under ndiswrapper.

It's certainly possible to get some wireless USB adapters to work. I
used to have a Belkin one (had to use ndiswrapper)

Andy

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] suck it and see

[Andy]

On 21/06/07, Ian Pascoe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In fact here's a challenge for you all to do on those rainy evenings.  Get
> Orca up and running - it's part of the Gnome desktop from 6.06 onwards -
> turn your monitors off, no cheating now, and have a go at doing some of your
> normal tasks to see what I mean.

Well that is an experience I certainly do NOT want to repeat.

Open Synaptic and installed gnome-orca, (ORCA seemed to have nothing
to do with screen reading, it does something with routers and SMTP I
think).

I typed "orca" in a terminal and it muttered something about Braille
and nothing happened.

I turned on assistive technology support in preferences and logged out
and logged back in again.

Checking preferences it said screen reader was unavailable (darn)

So I ran "orca" from a terminal. Huge mistake, catastrophic mistake,
one of the worst things I have ever done in Linux[0].

What did it do? Displayed a message about Braille, displayed some
trace backs for something that looked like python (something about get
voices failing).

And the froze, but not only did it freeze, it froze the terminal and
it froze all the commands. I could move my cursor but could not click
on anything. Well nuts to this I shall kill it,Ctrl-C in it's
terminal. Nothing, hmm Alt-F2 to get a command line, nope nothing. Ok
this looks serious time to break out the big guns Ctrl-Alt-F1 to get
me console access, wtf that's didn't work either.

Push the power button in a hope that at some level the kernel will see
it and perform a shutdown, nope, Push and hold and power the system
off.

Reboot, login and oddly Orca is started for me ands works, well I say
works but really I mean it does something. Move my cursor around and
hear a garbled voice. I can make out it says something about system
settings, as I had my monitor a notice that my cursor is on my System
menu.

Not wanting to cheat I turn the monitor off.

Right now to open FireFox, helpfully I have a shortcut to this on the
toolbar. I wave my mouse upwards and get the system menu again, right
a bit nothing, right a bit more, nothing until I get what sounds like
"terminal" Ah must be the terminal shortcut. Wave mouse around a bit
more I must be near, and for the life of me all I get is the system
menu description. NOT HELPFUL.

Stuff this, Alt-F2 it mutters something (I forget what) I hit 'f' it
says 'f', I hit 'i' it says 'f' (odd), hit 'r' 'e', it says 'fire' ah
makes sense, I boot up FireFox.

It says something I don't understand, then it says profile chooser, I hit enter.

Now It says Welcome to Ubuntu, or something similar and "HTML BOX" (or
similar), that's a fine description of the Ubuntu start page for you.
I try to find the URL bar with the tab key, nothing, nothing, toolbar,
ah close nothing, something I can't quite work out. type in gmails
address, it won't describe the page and hitting tab is not helping.

I give in. Turn screen on and it appears I typed the URL in the search
box. Oops.

Am I doing something wrong here?

Andy

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1) Used ndiswrapper with an unsupported windows driver (hung the kernel)
2) wrote a kernel module for an arm system and did the IO access a bit
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] tutorials

[Andy]

On 18/08/07, Gary M Nicholson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> wondered if anyone new of any CBT type tutorials on learning Linux
> (Ubuntu in particular) and where to get them?

Hi, and welcome.

I'm not sure what CBT is, but there are some tutorials on the Ubuntu
Screen casts site:
http://screencasts.ubuntu.com/

There is more information on the Ubuntu wiki:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScreencastTeam

You may want to speak to Alan Pope, he made some of the first few
screen cast tutorials (at least that I am aware of).



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[ubuntu-uk] Linux may void the warranty

[Andy]

Hi

Just saw a story on Google News.
According to the story PC world refused to repair someone's laptop
because he had put Linux on it thus voiding his warranty.
<http://tech.blorge.com/Structure:%20/2007/09/13/pc-world-refuses-hardware-fault-repair-because-of-linux/>

The odd thing, the fault was a cracked hinge on the screen of the laptop.

This is what we are up against people! Large Companies actively trying
to prevent people installing software such as Gnu/Linux.

I would strongly recommend anyone think twice about buying from PC World.
Any company who thinks that software could have caused that kind of
hardware failure are probably not the best people to buy computer
equipment off.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] External hard disks and backup strategies

[andy]

David,

I'm not sure how much data you're looking to backup - but yours is probably not 
a unique situation.

I think the biggest question is "Do you know what you want to backup?"  If you 
can safely say "Yes" - and it's well organised - then the problem is massively 
diminished.  

The first thing you need to work out is size.  If you have masses of data - 
automated NAS may be the best thing.  If you have little, a USB hard disk may 
suffice.

My recommendation (based on ~50GB on data) would be to setup a NAS with 
mirrored RAID1 disks.  Have two partitions on each disk.  Have a weekly backup 
that you store for 8 weeks, and a keep every 4th image for a month.  Then set 
it up to rsync with your directories you need.

That's mean your storage goes:

Wk - DATA
1  - 50
2  - 100
3  - 150
4  - 250
5  - 300
6  - 350
7  - 400
8  - 500

That'll fit on a 500GB disk and give you a bit on versioning should the worst 
happen.  It also helps illustrate how much storage you actually need for doing 
a backup of 50GB data.

Let me know what your situation is and I'll try and help more.

On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:44:56 +0100, David M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Now that external hard disks are cheap, I'm thinking about getting an
> external hard disk so that I can keep a backup of my data. In fact, I'm
> even thinking of getting *two* for alternate use so that if the worst
> should happen and my system dies while backing up my data I haven't
> toasted both my data and my sole backup..
> 
> When it comes to external disks, it seems I have the choice of not only
> a plain-old hard disk connected via USB, but also the possibility of NAS
> (networked-attached storage) where the hard disk is connected to my
> network, and contains a stripped-down OS so that it presents itself as a
> fileserver (I presume?).
> 
> Does anybody know how well-supported either of these technologies are in
> Ubuntu? In particular, I'd also want to format the disk in ext3 format
> as I have no need or desire for MSWindows filesystems.
> 
> 
> On the one hand, NAS seems neat, but I don't have a home network, only a
> cheapo multi-port ADSL modem/router. These things tend to be a bit
> gnarly (and unfriendly) to set up at the best of times, so I don't know
> how easy - let alone whether - it would be possible to set the
> modem/router up to allow my computer to see a NAS disk. And given the
> horrible potential for unwittingly sharing the contents of a NAS disk
> with the entire internet, I'd have to be very careful! I gather that it
> is generally the case that any configuration of the NAS box can usually
> be done via a browser front-end; obviously any disk which requires
> Windows software is a no-no.
> 
> On the other hand, a plain-old USB hard disk seems the simpler option. I
> would naively assume that as USB is now well-proven technology, these
> would work just fine with Ubuntu, but is that the case? How easy would
> it be to automate backups to such a disk? Would it mount with a
> persistent mount point, or would it change with every unplug or system
> reboot?
> 
> 
> Then there is the question of what backup strategy I should actually
> use. I was assuming that an automated rsync every week would be the
> easiest, but perhaps there are other possibilities? Something automated,
> once configured, without requiring user intervention is an absolute
> must: the whole point of doing backups is that I don't have to remember
> to do it!
> 
> I mentioned above that having two external hard disks, alternating
> between current latest backup and disk being backed-up to, seemed a good
> strategy, ensuring that I always have one backup at all times.
> 
> Alternatively, perhaps some kind of mirror RAID strategy would be worth
> considering, although that would seem to require me to have four hard
> disks to maintain my "always one spare backup" strategy (and is outwith
> my budget!). I also don't know whether USB HDs or NAS HDs are RAID-able.
> 
> 
> Can anybody offer any advice on this?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> David.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] [IMPORTANT NOTICE] - Ubuntu-UK Contact

[Andy]

On 25/09/2007, David M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Can you clarify what is meant by "join" the Ubuntu-UK team?
> I do have a Launchpad account, and I am a member of this list, but is
> there some other additional "joining" process that I am not aware of?

Launchpad allows a "team" to be registered. It keeps track of who is
"in" a team.
Ubuntu-UK "is an open team; any user can join and no approval is required."

Unfortunately Launchpad has little concept of this list or "list
members" so simply being on the mailing list won't let launchpad know
your a UK Team member.

What you can do is go to: <https://launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-uk>
There should be a big green button roughly in the middle labelled
"Join this team"
It will prompt you to register or log in, then you should be a member.

You may be in launchpads "UK Team" already, you can check the list here:
<https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-uk/+members>

There are a few David's registered as UK Team members, not sure if any
of them are you though.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Anyone ever tried kolab on feisty

[andy]

Daniel.

It depends what you want from your groupware. If you have spare hardware 
capacity, I'd go with Zimbra.  Dave Walker recently demoed Bongo to me - and 
that also looks very good.  I use horde at work (as it's used by the Univesity 
of Manchester internally too - to give you an idea of it's scalability.

If you want to let me know your number of users & feature set you'd like, then 
I'd be happy to give you my 2p worth.

Regards,

Andy


On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 00:37:22 +0100, "Daniel Lamb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Just wondering as it appears there are afew people who are using servers,
> Have you ever tried kolab? Or is there a better groupware client to use, I
> currently have samba, apache etc installed, tried kolab but got an error
> due
> to it needing php4, just thought it might be worth an ask.
> 
> Regards,
> Daniel
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Anyone ever tried kolab on feisty

[andy]

Daniel,

The company I work for re-sell Zimbra, and I also developed a server we sell 
which uses horde.

The response from all our customers to Zimbra has been very positive, it has a 
clean UI which is great for the webmail client, but it's also got a clever 
backend, as good shared calendaring features.  It's got a feature whereby if 
multiple people in your company receive the same attachment, it's only stored 
once - and symlinked to all the different mailboxes on the server.

When I first used Zimbra - I really didn't like it, as it's got quite a big 
footprint.  However, looking at Kolab as a Desktop Groupware product, Zimbra 
follows standards that will allow you to connect desktop apps to it fairly 
well.  It supports iCal for it's shared calendars.  It also has a very easy to 
use administration interface - adding more domains is a cinch.

Horde on the other hand loads quite fast, but it's more of a spaceship control 
system.  It appears to be able to do anything - and has the buttons to do it.  
Most client complain about a slightly cluttered interface.  However, I enjoy 
using it personally for work, because there's so much that it can do.  It's 
very versatile, though you have to manage the backend yourself.

If you want something you can get up and running fairly fast, then I'd 
recommend Zimbra.  If you want complete control over your backend (which IMHO 
normally means the chance to break more things on upgrade) then go with horde.

I'm afraid I don't know much about Kolab, or OpenGroupware or OpenExchange 
which are a couple more you may want to look at.

Regards,

Andy

(Sorry if the email is a little convoluted)

On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 09:20:29 +0100, "Daniel Lamb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Andy,
> It will be for up to 10 users, on a new dell poweredge 1900 with 1.5TB
> drive, quad core processor etc so capacity is not a problem.
>
> Features; moving away from an exchange box and were planning on using just
> imap however I would like to check out what other options are out there on
> the kolab side etc, so really looking at mail, contacts and calendars.
>
> Cheers,
> Daniel
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of andy
> Sent: 27 September 2007 00:47
> To: British Ubuntu Talk
> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Anyone ever tried kolab on feisty
>
> Daniel.
>
> It depends what you want from your groupware. If you have spare hardware
> capacity, I'd go with Zimbra.  Dave Walker recently demoed Bongo to me -
> and
> that also looks very good.  I use horde at work (as it's used by the
> Univesity of Manchester internally too - to give you an idea of it's
> scalability.
>
> If you want to let me know your number of users & feature set you'd like,
> then I'd be happy to give you my 2p worth.
>
> Regards,
>
> Andy
>
>
> On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 00:37:22 +0100, "Daniel Lamb"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Just wondering as it appears there are afew people who are using
> servers,
>> Have you ever tried kolab? Or is there a better groupware client to use,
> I
>> currently have samba, apache etc installed, tried kolab but got an error
>> due
>> to it needing php4, just thought it might be worth an ask.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Daniel
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Video editing

[andy]

Michael,

I think it may soon be your lucky day.  Ubuntustudio is a new release of ubuntu 
which focuses on us 'creative' type.  Currently there are package sets for 
music (ubuntustudio-audio), graphic design (ubuntustudio-graphic) and even your 
chosen one, video (ubuntustudio-video).  It's not a completely new incarnation 
though, as you mention it contains packages such as Kino, Cinepaint, Stopmotion 
and the like, but the packagers are attempting to get it as stable as possible 
- which as you said has been the main drawback.

Check out ubuntustudio.org - you can download their CD (recommended for a fresh 
install) or add their repo and use that.

Hope you have fun.  I'm into the music personally, and really liking their 
efforts.

Regards,

Andy

On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 09:22:04 +0100, Michael Erskine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi folks,
> Every couple of months I return to the disappointing world of video
> editing on
> Linux: I get the latest of each package and watch each one fail to open
> files
> and segfault all over the place. I've tried kino, lives, cinelerra, and
> plenty more, the names of which I forget.
> 
> Can anyone point me at an up-to-date guide for video editing on Feisty
> that
> they've been able to follow?
> 
> My requirements are (I believe) modest:
> * trim video clips
> * append clips together
> * overlay some text titles
> * save result
> 
> Usually I give up after a few fruitless hours and boot to XP to use Nero
> Vision Express which just works.
> 
> Regards,
> Michael Erskine.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Diskless Workstations

[andy]

Robin Shepheard wrote:
> Ian Pascoe wrote:
>
>> Hi-de-hi Campers
>>
>> With all the postings relating to home servers and small screens got me
>> thinking.
>>
>> Is there such a thing as a diskless workstation that looks for all intents
>> and purposes like a laptop, ie combined screen, keyboard and mouse pad,  but
>> without HDD battery and other associated mobile type stuff?
>>
>> I've only ever found / seen those that look like a standard desktop
>> installation, ie all seperate, but not combined.  Yes I realise I can get a
>> second hand lappie and do this but I've never seen one from new - or maybe
>> just haven't got the Google search criteria right 
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> E
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> If you just want a keyboard, trackball and monitor that you will wire
> into a pc, HP do make rackmount units but they are not cheap. If you are
> on about a dumb terminal type thing Igel and Wyse make boxs for this
> sort of purpose
>
> Cheers
>
> Robin
>
>
And if you're on about thin clients - you can get thin clients that
attache to the VESA mounts on the bad of LCD screens.  However, look for
a screen with embedded thin client - and the price doubles.

Andy


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Advice for the future

[Andy]

On 16/10/2007, Jai Harrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm wondering if I should take a university that doesn't need A level
> maths,

The University Of Bristol doesn't require A-Level maths (though it is
preferred).
Ranked 3rd for CS in the Times.
<http://extras.timesonline.co.uk/gug/gooduniversityguide.php?AC_sub=Computer+Science&x=6&y=10&sub=6>
(behind Cambridge and Oxford).

The requirements listed by Universities are sometimes only guidelines.
Your best bet is to contact someone from University Admissions and
talk to them about whether you really would require A-Level maths. For
Bristol you can email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Unfortunately CS can contain quite a bit of Maths depending on the
modules taken.

Is it more a case of you don't like (or find Maths difficult), or a
case of you just didn't chose that particular course and so don't have
the background?
If it's the latter case then it may not be too much of a problem as
lecturers will often go over the basics that you actually need (and
some of the Maths will be entirely knew to everyone).

However I will stress, All Universities are different, what they offer
in their courses do vary so do contact them and speak with someone who
knows the specifics of the individual courses.

hope that's of some use to you.

Andy



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu TV Advert

[Andy]

On 28/10/2007, Tony Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/click_online/6733501.stm

Ironically, not viewable on Linux (at least not on this CentOS box.
(and as it's not my machine I can't install better players on it))

Reminds me of the time I wanted to watch something on the BBC website
about building a computer, but couldn't as it needed ActiveX. That
program suggested installing Linux as well. When I complained, I was
told to download ActiveX and go away. Ah the BBC we make it what it
is. (Incidentally I did find a way around the ActiveX problem by
viewing source and finding exact address of stream. Just goes to prove
the BBC didn't need ActiveX and the sole reason for doing it was to
strength a foreign monopoly)

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Goodbye all

[Andy]

On 02/11/2007, STONE COLD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> When did all this happen?

I *presume* Mark is referring to the thread that evolved from this
email: <https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/2007-November/008836.html>
Full thread: 
<https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/2007-November/thread.html#8836>

though I can not be sure, but it does seem the most likely. (I hadn't
read this myself till I did a search for Marks email to work out what
we may have been referring to.).

Incidentally Stone Cold the line breaks seem to be missing when I view
your email (not sure if anyone else has this problem).

Andy

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT: Windows FOS Project

[Andy]

On 04/11/2007, Ian Pascoe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I thought it was The Open CD but that seems to be specifically related to
> Ubuntu.
>
> Am I going mad, or is there such a thing?

No you're not going mad. It used to be "The Open CD".
Not sure what happened to it but you may want to look at:
OpenDisc <http://theopendisc.com/> instead.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Children DVD (Windows compatible)

[Andy]

On 15/11/2007, Pascal Khoury <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is there a piece of software I could use to view windows compatible movies &
> games?

You have asked several things at once there.

Firstly DVDs

You need something called libdvdcss2, try following the instructions at:
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs
(sorry if you have all ready done this).

I would recommend gxine for playing DVDs, I think it has better
support for DVD Menus.
See: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MultimediaApplications#gxine
Though I would install it from the Ubuntu Repository not the gXine website.


Other Movie formats (e.g. things you have downloaded from the web)
Look at: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/
I can't provide much more detail without knowing the exact format you
are having problems with.


Windows Games are an entirely different kettle of fish, options
generally include:
Dual Booting with Windows.
Installing Windows in a Virtual Machine (e.g. Qemu, VMWare,
VirtualBox) (may have performance issues)
Run the game under Wine (may not be fully compatible)

Sorry for the lateness of this reply.

Andy

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot

[Andy]

I am joining this thread a bit late so sorry if this has already been mentioned.

Much advice appears to have been given, some contradictory. This is
often because some of the choices are due to personal preferences. So
instead of adding my opinion on the exact wiring I shall offer some
slightly different advice:

Have you considered contacting some local Linux people to see if they
are willing to give you a hand in setting up your Dual Boot? Your
local LUG (Linux User Group) is a very good place to start
.

Some of them have what is called a "Bring A Box" meeting, where you
can bring along your PC. Maybe someone will be able to guide you
through it in person? (wise to ask in advance on the mailing list to
see if there will be someone willing to help).

WARNING: Make a full backup of everything you want from your current
hard drive. All though it's uncommon things can go wrong, and you can
guarantee if something is going to go wrong it will happen the one
time you don't have a backup!

Good luck whatever you do in the end.

Let us know how it goes!



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] realplayer powerpc problem

[Andy]

Hi

On 08/12/2007, ptaylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> the details of the problem i have put in the forums
> > > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=634992

What's the full address of the .ram file your having problems with?

Andy

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Central authentication in Ubuntu

[andy]

Chris Rowson wrote:
> Hello folks,
>
> I've been wondering for a while, how I could put in place some kind of
> central authentication for a series of Ubuntu desktops/laptops.
>
> At work, I achieve this using Active Directory and Windows, but I
> wondered if there was a Linuxified version of this setup. I've been
> thinking of volunteering to get some community IT access up in the
> local area, and of course being able to configure PCs centrally would
> be great. There wouldn't be a great deal of money, so setting up a
> Windows Domain would be out of the question.
>
> So, whats out there that would allow me to create users/passwords
> centrally (but perhaps still allow laptops to cache credentials),
> would allow me to have automatically mapped file storage (like a
> mapped network drive in Windows), and if possible, help me to apply
> some level of desktop configuration?
>
> Any advice?
>
> Chris
>
>   
Chris,

openLDAP is the best bet for storage.. though having a disconnected 
centralised authentication system I was unable to implement last time I 
tried it. 

My setup is with Windows Clients - so that's all I can suggest for now - 
though it seems to be a fairly common goal, so other people will 
probably have more experience/info.

Regards,

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Put your questions to Bill Gates

[Andy]

On 02/01/2008, Kirrus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Anyone got any questions?

How about "Have you bought an X0 Laptop? If so does it still have the
non-Windows OS on it?"

or "Why do you not want to compete on a level playing field with
products such as Open Office, Linux and Mac? Is it because your
products aren't good enough?"

Andy

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Cadbury Snaps WAS: Chocolate Oranges WAS: By way of introduction

[andy]

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Pete Stean wrote:
> you could of course just go for instant gratification, and go out and
> buy one of the tubes of Cadbury's chocolate 'Snaps'

If you were to do that, then I recommend the mint over the orange
though.  I find the orange version a bit too sickly as the orange is of
a stronger flavour than the Chocolate Orange.

and Welcome to the list :)

Andy
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Opensource Event in Brizzol - 5 February

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James Westby wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-01-24 at 17:17 +, Pete Stean wrote:
>> Is anyone from Ubuntu UK involved in this? Quite an opportunity for
>> some blatant self-promotion of the Ubuntu brand if anyone is...
>>
>> http://www.bristolwireless.net/wiki/index.php/SocialSourceSouthWest
>>
> 
> Hi,
> 
> This is down my neck of the woods, so I will probably pop along.
> 
> If anyone else needs somewhere for a cup of tea feel free to send
> me a message and we can organise it.
> 
> The Bristol Wireless group do some really interesting things,
> it's worth having a look round their site if you haven't already.
> For instance they maintain a custom Debian distribution:
> 
> http://www.bristolwireless.net/wiki/index.php/Debian%20Linux
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> James
> 
> 
> 
They're also quite a friendly bunch.  I met up with a couple at a few
conferences summer 2006.  Nice People.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu minimum spec

[Andy]

On 06/07/06, Steve Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
One of my friends has a 266MHz/64Mb mini laptop thingy.  Has anyonetried Ubuntu (as in with Gnome) on something that low?  How does itrun?  Would OpenOffice survive?It would be painful.
The lowest I've used for any length of time is a  500MHz/64mb, and  that really can't deal with Gnome, let alone OOo.  Adding an extra 64mb of ram makes it workable, but it is still likely to be very slow.Regards,
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Wow

[Andy]

On 27/10/06, Ian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well my broadband runs at 2.3mbps and the borrowed router I tried
> cut that speed in half so I don't know.
I am behind a router and can achieve a speed of 2mbps (if the ISP is
playing nice)

What are you using to test your speed?

Bit torrent downloads may slow down due to NAT routers acting as a
firewall and blocking all inbound connections (due to the way NAT
works).
Other P2P systems may be affect in a similar manner.
But then no one would be stupid enough to test their connection speed
with P2P software.

The interface on the router should be running faster than a few mbps,
especially as they can be used on internal networks.

NAT requires modifying packets, this will take some time for the
router, but its so small its not really an issue, though it may add a
small amount of latency.

If the router is overloaded (i.e. being flooded by packets from
another machine on your network) it may run slow or fail, but as its
only your machine this won't be a problem for it


Please don't post in HTML with a large font and coloured quotes,
You might also want to avoid top posting and quoting only the part of
a message that is relevant.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] How do I unsubscribe from a list

[Andy]

Hi

On 29/10/06, John Rodgers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  How do I unsubscribe from a list
Depends on the list.
One technique is to select to view all the headers for any message
received from the list.
You should see many headers starting with List, one should be
unsubscribe, either go to the URL or send the message indicated to the
address mentioned.

For this list the headers says:
List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk>,
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>From this you can see you can unsubscribe by HTTP or by email (by
sending an email to ubuntu-uk-request with unsubscribe in the subject.

Surely a clever email client could parse these headers and offer the
links to the user?
I wonder if any do.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Command line editing

[Andy]

On 31/10/06, Keith Bowerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I can remember what alterations I made but I have no idea
> how to edit the file from the command line.
>
> Can someone please point me in the right direction.

>From the command line type:
sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf

It is wise to cp the file somewhere and then if you damage it you can
always cp it back.

If this fails you can try:
sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
which should replace it with something that works (hopefully)

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Edgy Disks

[Andy]

On 01/11/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Does anyone know a quick way of getting a hundred or so Edgy disks
> without using SHIP-IT or copying them myself?
Get someone else to copy them? :D

Ship-it don't do edgy discs anyway.

There are quite a few people who will ship you discs, but for 100 it
could be pricey.
If you had more time you might be able to contact someone from
canonical and ask there advice.

UseLinux.co.uk only has 6.06, no good there then

found a site:
www.linuxcd.org
cost £0.96 per CD, though they will give you a bulk discount if you
contact them in advance.

Unfortunately they may not arrive in time, it can take up to 3 weeks
to ship discs.
you have 10 days?

http://www.thelinuxshop.co.uk have 6.10 with free UK delivery and is
normally dispatched in 24 hours, so depending on the mail you should
get them in time, only problem £3.50 per disc, no mention of bulk
discount, is £350 out of your price range?

OSDisc.com also has copies at $1.95, not sure what that is in GBP though.
They claim the list price of a disc is $7.95, when did Ubuntu get a list price?

Your only option might be to have people burn them for you,
unfortunately the time frame is a little tight for most people, and we
now have the new confusing royal mail size posting system, grr.

Good luck with the install fest, lets once again increase the number
of Linux machines ou there :)

- Andy


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] BBC and open formats??

[Andy]

On 02/11/06, alan c <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Something I heard at LinuxWorld recently suggested to me bbc were
> moving towards more open formats.
> However, this comments implies otherwise. Anyone know anything?
Its funny you should mention this, I have contacted the BBC over their
use of RealMedia and ActiveX, seems they ignored me several times, I
made a complaint via their website, it appears they actually answer
complaints.

I was given a link to download.com with about 500 programs related to
activeX and was told to install it, (which one? does ActiveX work on
Ubuntu, I told them I used Ubuntu grr).

I was told:
'As a result, you and other users have asked that we consider
supporting other software.  The issue faced by the BBC is that we must
pay considerable costs for the licensing of any software.  Increasing
the number of software applications means an increased cost to license
fee payers.' (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])

Oddly I thought you could get software to stream ogg vorbis for free,
I am almost sure that you can. The BBC are now lying to me in response
to my complaints, despicable!

However do not despair about the use of non free formats for the BBC
do offer more than realplayer:
'we are currently offering the content of our 'Digital Only' radio
channels on both Real and Windows Media Player' (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])
oh, Windows Media is non-free? well they completely ignored what I was
asking then didn't they. Why would they think I wanted a different
proprietary format, these people really are stupid!
(so yes they are using windows media player as you mentioned)

and my favourite line:
'This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential' (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])
I always find this amusing, if this email is confidential why is it
sent unencrypted? does the BBC always send confidential information in
a form that anyone can read?
(yes I know its an auto-added footer, but such footers are laughable).

This email contained extracts from an email I received from the BBC.
They may be protected by copyright.
I consider my use of these quotes as 'review' and 'criticism' and as
such my use is permitted by the UK copyright act Section 30 [0]

I have already filed a second complaint with the BBC as there first
answer was not satisfactory. The proper procedure is to inform the
person who wrote the response, but my reply was bounced back with the
message, 'we don't accept email complaints', so I submitted it via
their website. Apparently the next step is to refer it to 'senior
management', so I guess that's my only option if the response I get
this time is still unacceptable.

I might just write to my MP, but unfortunately there isn't an election
around the corner so it will probably be ignored.

Just found some more info on BBC site, not sure if these actions
constitute a breech of 'fair trading guidelines',
from the BBC website:
'A fair trading complaint is a complaint about the way the BBC has
interacted with commercial markets or conducted its commercial
activities'[1]
Seems both Microsoft and RealMedia are commercial entities aren't they
interfering with the commercial market?
I will look into that further when I get the time.

If only I was a lawyer I might understand all this, legal acts are so
hard to read, and I don't have a clue whether this falls under Ofcom's
jurisdiction.
Any lawyers on this list, any chance of bringing legal action against the BBC?
Who am I actually meant to be complaining to? I have contacted the
BBC, who have lied to me in response, second complaint is awaiting
response, Do I need to write to my MP, some other government minister,
or Ofcom?

Tried reading the BBC's constitution thing, might hard to read, didn't
understand half of it.

I certainly feel the BBC's actions are highly anti-competitive in the
software market, and considering that they are funded in part by me I
am appalled at this. Unfortunately market forces don't apply here, if
I go to the BBC's competition I still have to pay the BBC (required by
law), insane don't you think?

I urge everyone reading this to file an official complaint on:
<http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/make_complaint_step1.shtml>
DO NOT use 'send a complaint' or 'make a suggestion' they ignore
those, they will actually reply to a complaint. (if they don't it will
make there quarterly statistics interesting won't it).

Maybe we should add 'getting the BBC to use an open format' to our
list of things to do.

Any campaign groups that will be able to help, I subscribed to the FSF
Europe list, maybe I should post to that (or is cross posting like
this frowned upon?)

Sorry for the very long email.

- Andy

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] BBC and open formats??

[Andy]

On 02/11/06, Martin Fitzpatrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm not sure whether you're joking here, but I would be very careful
> about using the word 'lie'.  Lying implies an intent to deceive, the
> accusation of which is slanderous unless you have proof.  Choosing
> your words carefully is important when campaigning - both to avoid
> legal action and being labelled crazy.

Yes I was joking when I said 'lying', maybe I should have been more clear.
In my response to the BBC's response I did use the phrase 'inaccurate'
and not 'lie'


> Check your MP's track record on these issues.

How would I go about doing this?
I have looked him up on <http://www.theyworkforyou.com>

He seems to claim a lot of expenses for computers though:
Centrally Provided Computer Equipment   £1,082
its a pity it doesn't say exactly what that was spent on (this is for
a single year).


> If you visit them in
> person they will be far more responsive (they get a lot of mail) and
> you can put your point across more clearly.

My MP fails to provide any details for visiting them in person, the
only address listed is a PO BOX not a physical address.

> When talking to large organisations try to avoid emotional appeals.
> Instead focus on procedural issues or policy which can be easily
> delegated. Point out contradictions in current policy and give hints
> to as how to correct this.  However, be wary of preaching - people
> prefer ideas they think they had themselves.

My writing skills aren't excellent, I make the common mistake of
assuming that if something is obvious to me its obvious to the reader,
I really must stop doing that.
Will look into this further, see if I can write a nice letter to my
MP. I'm sure I can find an introduction to free software I can borrow
stuff from.

It shouldn't be this hard to get a publicly funded company to allow
all the people who fund them to access their content and not a
selection of people should it?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] BBC and open formats??

[Andy]

On 02/11/06, tim matthews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> yes, I'm seriously suggesting being "naughty" to make a point. If they
> want to call me silly names like "pirate" or "terrorist" it's up to them.
There is already a risk that they are going to refuse to use an Open
Format because they can't use DRM restrictions (which don't work
anyway, how many schemes have been cracked so far?)

If they think that we want an Open format so we can rip content then
it is going to be likely to fail.

Remember we need to look like the good guys, and they need to look
like the bad guys.
With your suggestion we look like a bunch of pirates trying to get an
easier format for stealing and the BBC look like they are just trying
to protect their content (of course neither is true but that's how it
may look)


> It's our right to have the BBC broadcast in open source, we should not
> be forced to use the Microsoft operating system.

I think most (all?) of us agree with that, this is why I would like
the BBC to change what it does, not someone to take its content and do
it for them without their consent

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Uk Loco team forums

[Andy]

On 02/11/06, Alan Pope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You can't choose which client you read the content in.

If we are defining the client as the web browser then you can choose
which browser you use.


> You can't cache it offline easily.

can't wget spider a site? of course re downloading a page because some
page view number changed.

of course I would still like a malling list.

It may be easier for longer term things to have a forum, I have kind
of a lot of email here if I wanted something old. But as I use gmail I
can search my mail.

- Andy

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Edgy Disks

[Andy]

On 03/11/06, alan c <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> note1:
> Is there something I am missing here - login - when I login I get
> taken to my own page, but how do I then actually get back to the page
> I wanted to access to start with? If I use the browser Back button, I
> am not logged in.

Have you tried using back to go back to the page you wanted, then
hitting refresh?
If the wiki uses cookies only then this will probably work


> Also - logout - What is th egeneral way of logging out? it seems
> devilishly difficult to find a logout link.

Essy, click 'user preferances' (near top right) there should be a
form, scroll to the bottom of it, there should be 2 buttons, save and
logout, click logout to log out.

- Andy

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] BBC and open formats??

[Andy]

On 03/11/06, Pete Ryland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> They are a business after
> all, so the powers that be are likely not to approve spending
> resources just to satisfy some "bunch of hippies and their demands".
Are they a business? They are publicly funded to provided a service
which they are failing to do.

Wasn't the whole purpose of the BBC to provide content for the
sections of society that was not covered by the mainstream?

By taking the action to explicitly block non Microsoft based systems
(some content actually requires ActiveX and thus Windows), are they
not violating the spirit of why the BBC was created, if not the legal
agreement?

I have also seen another couple of threads regarding this on other
mailing lists. Including the FSFE-uk list (only just signed up to
didn't see it when signed up t other FSFE lists), who are writing an
open letter to the BBC about their partnership with Microsoft, still
they haven't done anything about the RealPlayer issue, begging the
question how effective is the FSFE?

Are forces seem to be a little divided and there is few of us as it
is, maybe we should unite the people so to speak.
The BBC website is used by a lot of people, getting it to play nice
with Free Software and Open Source would show that the community can
do something worthwhile. And it _should_ be easier than with other
broadcasters because they have an obligation to allow access to the
license payers, and some license payers use Linux.

I like the idea about sending Ubuntu Linux to my MP (even if the
poster was joking, not sure).
Need to compose a letter to him first.
All I need is a good introduction to Linux, Free Software and Open
Source for idiots.

Still waiting for the BBC to respond to my second complaint, (6 days
to go till 10 day target)

- Andy

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] BBC and open formats??

[Andy]

On 03/11/06, Stuart Parkington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Where is this list -  I didn't see it either! :(
Are you looking on the FSFE's lists page? well you won't find it there!

For some odd reason it appears to be on a different server to everything else.
Its on the GNU mailing list server, maybe its because, like Ubuntu,
the FSF don't believe the UK is in Europe.

The URL you want is:
<http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/fsfe-uk>

Hope that helps

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Uk Loco team forums

[Andy]

On 04/11/06, Ian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm new to this,
It shows,

A little note about mailing list etiquette.
We do not need you to tell us what font size we want to view your
message in, we are perfectly capable of adjusting our email software
to a size that is comfortable. This means don't specify a font size in
your email please.
Even better would be to not use HTML to send email at all.

Some people may even block you messages because it contains HTML.
It also increases the file size of your email

Do not 'top post', this is were you write you message then quote an
entire previous message below the end of your message. quotes should
normally be inline, and only the text that is relevant.

Someone somewhere has a great signature about top posting, I have no
idea who, I am on a number of lists.

May I ask which email software you are using? Someone may be able to
tell you how to turn off HTML,

We really should create a resource on the wiki about how to use a mailing list.


Back on topic, If we are going to have a vote, shouldn't we ask who
wants to stand as candidates? And more importantly change the subject
when we actually do ask who wants to stand, I expect some people may
be not reading this thread because its got forum in the title. We
wouldn't want to inadvertently exclude anyone, that's not the Ubuntu
way.

- Andy

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Uk Loco team forums

[Andy]

On 04/11/06, Ian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You have and its appalling bad taste in my language.

Its was never my intention to offend anyone, I am really sorry that
you feel you must leave an entire group because of me.

I am unsure what you mean by 'bad taste'. sorry

I have seen so much worse on the Ubuntu lists (things that don't even
relate to the list). However that is no excuse for my bad behaviour.

I never intended to speak for you Alan C, I was unaware I was doing so.

Again I am truly sorry and will attempt to hold me tongue in future.
Back to sleep for me then.


As far as I can tell IncrediMail is a Windows only Adware email client.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] top posting row (was Uk Loco team forums)

[Andy]

I am getting the 'oh dear what have I done feeling'

I never meant for this to happen, I did not mean to start a 'row'.

I have apologised once and will do so again, Ian I truly am sorry that
I have offended you. What I said was careless and I should not have
said it and I am sorry, unfortunately once an email is sent it can
never be recalled.



On 05/11/06, Ian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Oh by the way I un subbed twice but still receive. Perhaps your system is
> not working?

I find it unlikely it would be broken, it uses the 'mailman' software,
used by hundreds (thousands?) of lists and something as integral as
'unsubscribe' has probably been tested many times. Maybe the email
server is slow today.

Did you check for a confirmation email? for some tasks the mailman
system sends you an email with a code that you need to use to confirm
it is really you who is taking an action.

Did you use the web page? If so you can try the email method:
email [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject line
'unsubscribe' (remove the quotation marks)

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] top posting row (was Uk Loco team forums)

[Andy]

On 05/11/06, Caroline Ford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ubuntu UK isn't actually recognised by the Ubuntu community council
> currently so if the forum community wanted to fork they can certainly do
> so. Your sheer weight of numbers should ensure you prevail.

Now that is really not helpful is it?
The approval is in the pipelines as far as I was aware.
The communication media is NOT the group.
Yes we have a mailing list
We also have an IRC channel. #ubuntu-uk on Freenode.

We have a launchpad group. <https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-uk>
And a wiki <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/>

Do you suggest each of these is a separate competing group as it uses
a different medium?

> I'm becoming increasingly unimpressed by the regulars here.
regulars plural? Has someone cloned me, I am one person, do not hold
my actions against others.


I made a stupid mistake I openly admit that, I should have not said
anything, I should have been more welcoming, I am sorry for my
transgressions. Splitting or 'forking' the group due to the stupid
actions of one person (me) is not going to benefit Ubuntu-UK is it?

I will ensure that I will not make this mistake again, do you believe
in giving people a second chance, if so I ask for that second chance.

I think we can all agree I should not have done what I did so can we
drop it now and move on with more important things, this has grown out
of proportion.


Although it has been requested that the subject of forums be dropped,
I was thinking (yes dangerous I know), is it possible to build a forum
style front end onto mailman? It already holds archives of every
message made to the list. If we use a front end to mailman it will not
be a separate communication, the group will not be divided. (Mailman
it written in python, which I have yet to get around to learning, its
on my todo list though, but things seem to rarely get done of my
todos).

Let this be an end to this matter, please.

- Andy

(I meant to send this yesterday but my Internet connection decided to
take a holiday, its has thankfully returned)

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[ubuntu-uk] Best method of getting support?

[Andy]

Hi

I was just wondering what the best way to get help with a problem is,
So far I have tried:
ubuntuforums.com
linuxquestions.com
ubuntu-users mailling list

I also know of
IRC (#ubuntu Freenode)
Launchpad (not entirely sure how this works)

So what is the best way of actually getting support, if you can't seem
to locate the answer in help.ubuntu.com ?

How are people supposed to know which method to use

Also is it still acceptable to ask for support with 6.06? I know its
still officially supported but does this only apply to updates or does
it mean people can still ask for help using 6.06?

One problem I have tried to fix on and off for quite a while and
though lots of people are reading my forum post, no one answers,
possibly because no one knows the answer, or should I not be using
forums?
(the problem is with my front microphone socket, currently working
around it with a  minor hardware bodge, so not quite so urgent)
Just wondering what the proper way of getting support is.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Desktop permission!

[Andy]

It is possible that you managed to change the owner of the file,
though unlikely.

Can you type:
ls -dl ~/Desktop

observe the output

drwxr-xr-x 8 [owner] [group] 4096 2006-11-08 15:24 /home/**/Desktop/

Owner and Group should normally be your user name.
If owner is wrong type:
sudo chown [your username] ~/Desktop

If group is wrong this shouldn't matter, but you may want to correct it with:
sudo chgrp [your username] ~/Desktop

if the permissions (the bit at the front of the output) does not look
like 'drwxr-xr-x' type:
chmod 755 ~/Desktop
(as suggested prior)
If you are the owner of the file it should allow you to do this fine.
If it doesn't you may want to use 'sudo', but if your not owner you
want be able to write as only owner can write to the directory (with
permissions 755)

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Thursday night movie

[Andy]

Hi all

On 10/11/06, Norman Silverstone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Just a thought. Would it be
> possible to have a means of pausing and restarting the video?

Whatever your viewing the video in should provide that for you.
If yo view them in your web browser the plugin may not provide you
with controls.
Try saving the files to your hard disk and open them in totem.

If you use mPlayer in FireFox you may need to right click on the video
while it is playing and check 'show controls', it should provide you
with play and pause at the bottom of the page

On 10/11/06, gord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> to be honest mpeg (mpeg2) is extremely old technology and there is a
> reason that every single mpeg video you ever see on the net is around
> 320x240 in size, its also no good as a master copy as its just as lossy
> as every other compression technique around.

I imagine it depends on what format the screen capture software
chooses to dump its output as.

I know recordmydesktop does ogg thoera


On 10/11/06, gord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It would make more sense to store an ogg/theora video as the master at a
> high quality and provide a small mpeg video

Which software can edit an ogg theora file? I have a file I need to
edit in that format and nothing seems to like it (or I am just not
using the correct program).


I haven't watched the videos about flash yet, my connection is going
slow as a dog, I have watched the other two, and am impressed.

I tried installing qemu myself so I could do tutorials in a VM myself,
but I think my machine is underpowered, graphical one took took long
to even load the install screen, I will try a non-graphical install
later.
Or I could just not bother using a VM, but it will be more accurate to
a newly installed machine than my altered version of Ubuntu.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Thursday night movie

[Andy]

On 10/11/06, Alan Pope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Are you using the kqemu (non-free kernel module) accellerator with qemu? It 
> makes a
> tremendous difference to the performance.

no, I just used qemu on its own. This is my first time with any kind
of VM, just wanted to see if I could make something run.
Problem is I am on dapper, kqemu requires a version newer than
dappers, and source compilation failed, the configure script said my
version of gcc was too new, will try a binary install of a newer
version of qemu from their site, then see if kqemu makes it run
faster.


Norman Silverstone wrote:
> All that I have done so far is to click on the URL given. This then
> starts the video. Perhaps there is another way to open the video

I normally right click and choose 'save target as...' this can be used
to save to hard disk, then you can open the file with anything you
want.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Thursday night movie

[Andy]

On 10/11/06, Alan Pope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If there are any errors or omissions let me know, I've not updated it for 
> edgy, but i use
> the process in that page for compiling qemu myself.

I followed the instructions, first problem is the directory for kqemu
isn't kqemu, it has a version append to i so the 'cat /dev/null >
kqemu/install.sh' doesn't do anything.
The more important problem I had was kqemu.ko was never built.
Not sure why.
Fixed by manually doing configure and make in kqemu's directory as
well as qemu's

unfortunately I know get this:

Could not configure '/dev/rtc' to have a 1024 Hz timer. This is not a fatal
error, but for better emulation accuracy either use a 2.6 host Linux kernel or
type 'echo 1024 > /proc/sys/dev/rtc/max-user-freq' as root.
You do not have enough space in '/dev/shm' for the 300 MB of QEMU virtual RAM.
To have more space available provided you have enough RAM and swap, do as root:
umount /dev/shm
mount -t tmpfs -o size=316m none /dev/shm
Or disable the accelerator module with -no-kqemu

Is it ok to change the size of /dev/shm, is umounting then mounting it safe?

Thanks
- Andy

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Thursday night movie

[Andy]

On 10/11/06, Norman Silverstone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I assume that I am using a different version of Ubuntu to you. When I
> right click on the URL I get two possibilities neither of which is the
> one you quoted.

Ah, that was my mistake sorry.
I use web based email so I access these messages with FireFox, you are
probably using evolution or thunderbird which don't have these
options.

I think Al said something about making a webpage with the links on
them at some point, when that page exists you can right click on it in
FireFox.

as mentioned you can use wget from the command line with the URL and
it will download them.


I now have qemu with kqemu working, or at least I assume acceleration
is working because its a lot faster now.not sure how to record
something from it but I will figure it out. (of course I haven't got
around to setting up networking on the VM, but  for now I am just
highly impressed that I have actually managed to get a Virtual Machine
running (with quite a bit of help, thanks al!)

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Thursday night movie

[Andy]

OK, its official I'm an idiot yet again.

There is an easier way to download popey's screencasts. Even though
you probably read your email in an email client, the archives are web
based, thus if you read the message in the archive you get the FireFox
download option!

Why I didn't think of this 5 minutes ago I don't know!

go to the archives:
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/

find the correct messages and then you can right click in FireFox and
chose save target as.
Links to the earlier posts on html archive:
IRC: <https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/2006-October/001496.html>
Installing Updates:
<https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/2006-November/001836.html>
Installing Flash:
<https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/2006-November/001877.html>

All those posts are made by Alan Pope.


oh and it turns out networking on the VM is automatic so no setup needed by me.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Thursday night movie

[Andy]

Just had a quick go at a screencast myself.
How to change the desktop background (yes I know its simple, but I
thought I would start out small).
All I need to do is find some way of editing the mpeg file, there's
some stuff at the beginning and end that needs trimming. I also need
to add audio to it. Hopefully I will find time to do that sometime
this weekend.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] How I made the screencasts

[Andy]

Just given it a quick read.

Looks good, I will have to read it more carefully when I actually put
it into practice.

A couple of points

you seem to have a lot of qemu images, first you create 1, then copy
it and make read only.
then you say you make another copy for each demo
Do you delete this after making the demo? if so why not just use the
original image with -snapshot (this prevents it from writing to the
disk image unless you issue the command to do so)?

I couldn't see any mention of the FPS, did you use the default 10fps?

You also mention making the intro and end bits, where would one find
'ubuntu-uk-titles.odp', and can anyone use them?
Seems a little long winded to sit there recording a static screen,
there must be an easier way, problem is knowing what that easier way
is.


Tips for reducing noise was good, never thought of that.

all in all a very good article.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Sun to announce Java Open Source -- GPL v2 today

[Andy]

On 13/11/06, Albert Vilella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sun is announcing today that Java will be made available under version
> 2 of the GPL in a webcast at 9:30 US/Pacific this morning.
I don't see where it says that its being open sourced under the GPL2,
the web page just says its an 'important news update'

Nice to see Suns committed to open source by requiring people to have
Real Player 10 to watch the webcast, how ironic!

I am assuming 'PT' means pacific standard time? (its not summer time
in the U.S. still is it?), anyway if it is PST then that makes it
17:30 here, not sure I can get back in time from my last lecture to be
here for the start, unfortunately its an important lecture so I should
really go to it.

if PT == PST find your time at:
<http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=13&month=11&year=2006&hour=9&min=30&sec=0&p1=256>
(OK so I know this is the U.K. list but some people may be working
abroad or something).

It would be simpler if they used UTC!

I will remain skeptical till I hear it officially announced, however I
am optimistic that this could well happen. Do Lug Radio get credit for
open sourcing Java ;)

hopefully we won't be disappointed.

Does this mean the GNU's implementation of Java is dead?
Or will it just absorb the code from Sun's implementation for the
parts its lacking?

If this is true, long live Sun Microsystems! Another triumph, better
not celebrate too early though.
What do we move onto next? Flash? maybe some media formats?

- Andy (waiting patiently for more news)

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Docs for Malone/Launchpad

[Andy]

On 17/11/06, Neil Greenwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> Are there any docs explaining how to use Launchpad, specifically
> Malone? I can't find out how to change the status of bugs I've raised,
> such as closing one!
>
Not sure about the docs, but I thought your problem looked familiar,
someone asked a similar question before.

Check out:
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2006-November/099024.html

quote from Constantine Evans (via ubuntu-users):
> If you click on the package name in Affects, you should be
> able to change the Status.

Hope that answers your problem, I would be interested to know where
official docs are located as well.

- Andy

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] screencasts

[Andy]

On 18/11/06, Alan Pope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> * Ripping an audio CD

Is that a wise thing to do? Isn't it kind of stupid to record yourself
committing a crime, especially if your going to say 'Hi I'm Alan Pope'
at the beginning.

Not sure if you used to watch 'Police Camera Action' but I'm sure they
mentioned some bloke being arrested for speeding because he video
taped himself and the speedometer, and the police saw it, must be
embarrassing to have actually done the prosecutions job for them.

Or did you not realise it is actually illegal to rip CDs in the UK?

of course IANAL, but the UK copyright office has this to say:
> For example, buying a copy of a book, CD, video, computer program and so on,
> does not necessarily give you the right to make copies (even for private use)
> from <http://www.patent.gov.uk/copy/c-other/c-usebuy.htm>

> Storing any work in a computer amounts to copying the work. In addition,
> running a computer program or displaying work on a video display unit (VDU)
> will usually involve copying and thus require the consent of the copyright
> owner.
> from <http://www.patent.gov.uk/copy/c-applies/c-compute.htm>

The Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988 c.48 Chapter II section 17 states:
> (2) Copying in relation to a literary, dramatic, musical or artistic work 
> means
> reproducing the work in any material form.
>
> This includes storing the work in any medium by electronic means.
> from <http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1988/Ukpga_19880048_en_3.htm#mdiv17>

Of course if the discs copyright has expired, or the disc is licensed
to you in such a way as to make it legal to do this then you haven't
got a problem, just don't use a copy of 'Britney Spears Greatest Hits'
;)

> * Burning ripped audio to CD
As above make sure you have the rights to do this. You probably won't
get in to trouble, but we don't want something potentially illegal
(even though IMHO it should be legal) being connected with Ubuntu

> * Burning a data CD
Excellent idea, it may seem obvious to us, but to many people it isn't.
I once asked one of my parents if they had backed up their files
lately, the answer, "I don't know how to" (this was on Windows but I
am sure it applies equally to Linux)


> * Burning an ISO image
Highly useful, we can teach them how to burn Ubuntu CDs to hand out to
their friends, seems shipit doesn't supply 6.10



Thanks for that, I have now remembered I need to index my CDs/DVDs, I
have no idea which ones actually have data on and which ones don't. At
least I know where my most recent Linux backup is (I think).

oh and if you think that riping your legally purchased CDs should be
legal then there is a petition:
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/privatecopy/
I know many do not believe online petitions work, but this is on a
government domain, so maybe it will do some good. I shall be signing
it after I click 'send' on this email

- Andy


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] New podcast is up

[Andy]

On 23/11/06, Jonathan Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hopefully you'll give it a listen and enjoy it!

I would listen, but my podcatcher (CastPodder) claims there is no episodes

You haven't put in an enclosure tag

The enclosure tag is in the RSS spec:
<http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss#ltenclosuregtSubelementOfLtitemgt>

The feed URL I am using is:
<http://questionsplease.org/qp_feed.xml>
this is the right one isn't it?

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[ubuntu-uk] Fwd: [Fsfe-uk] Early Day Motion for Parliament on FLOSS

[Andy]

I thought the following could be of interest to Ubuntu-uk.
Its from the Free Software Foundation Europe's UK List

One thing it doesn't provide is a link to the EDM (Early Day Motion),
it can be found at:

At this time only 11 people have signed it, so write to your MP, I
shall be writing a letter shortly, all I have to do is decide how to
write it.

I don't think we have long, anyone know anything about EDMs?

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From: Ian Lynch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 22-Nov-2006 11:24
Subject: [Fsfe-uk] Early Day Motion for  Parliament on FLOSS
To: fsfe-uk@gnu.org


Dear FLOSS supporter,

John Pugh MP has tabled an Early Day Motion in the House of Commons
entitled Software in Education, number 179.  Please write to, or email,
your MP within the next week with a request that (s)he add his/her name
to this motion.

I would be grateful if you could keep me informed about the letters you
send and replies you receive.

You can find more information below and at www.openschoolsalliance.org.

Yours sincerely

Iain Roberts
iain.roberts (at) opensourceconsortium.org

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu server edition

[Andy]

On 23/11/06, Colin Humphrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am new to linux and to ubuntu
Welcome

I am not an expert but will try to offer any advice I can, till
someone more knowledgeable gets around to answering.

> and would like to
> have an ubuntu machine running as a server to
> communicate with a windows xp machine,
In what way communicate?
Do you want a web server to serve files via HTTP to the Windows box,
or do you want to be able to remotely log in to Ubuntu server from Windows,
or something different?

> [1]
> If you install ubuntu server edition 6.06 onto your
> machine and it cannot recognize an ethernet device
> or cannot set up DHCP does this mean that you will
> not be able to network between another machine
If it can't use the network interface its as if no cable isn't plugged
in, it won't connect to anything.
DHCP is another issue entirely, may I ask why you are using DHCP on a server?
I was always told (rightly or wrongly) that servers should have a
static IP and not a dynamic one from DHCP.
Most routers will have a range of address that they know are on the
local network but won't assign using DHCP, you can use these for
static addresses.
Remember to set DNS and the default gateway too.

> If you have an inherited machine and you try to
> install ubuntu server edition 6.06 does it normally
> recognize the ethernet device and configure DHCP
> automatically - if not why might this be?
It should normally handle Ethernet ok, I haven't really used server,
but Ubuntu has always recognized my Ethernet card, do you know the
make/model of card?

> Are there any regular meets that take place in
> London/Brighton where people can talk about
> practical problems and how to solve them?
You can always go to a 'LUG', (Linux User Group)
Brighton has one:
http://www.brighton.lug.org.uk/

London has about 4

The list of UK Lugs is available from:
http://www.lug.org.uk/lugs/all.php






> Also would anyone be up for scheduling a chat
> session to take place over a messaging programme
> such as msn messenger to talk about the server
> edition?
Do you have an IRC client?
the official Ubuntu-uk channel is #ubuntu-uk on Freenode
There's a screen cast about joining IRC



> I read a couple of news letters ago that it was o.k.
> to ask for help here  - hope this still holds true.
You may get better answers on the Ubuntu-users list, there is more
people over there than here, but I'm sure if anyone here can help you
they will.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] New podcast is up

[Andy]

Jonathon Roberts Wrote:
> Thanks, I didn't realise this was necessary so I've been and added the
> enclosure tag to the feed so hopefully it will work now!?
It sees that there is an episode but won't download it

> I this doesn't work any advice on how to change the feed
> will be appreciated!
You appear to have forgotten to close the speech marks after the URL
in the enclosure tag

Firefox reports the error as on line 13

Just a simple typo I think, once fixed it should be working (I hope)

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Speedtouch 330 Adsl modem on Ubuntu 6.10

[Andy]

On 04/12/06, Daniel Quarte <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Has this problem been discussed in the list? Is there a list archive
> somewhere?

Google?
Google didn't find any matches on the Ubuntu-uk archives, not even
your message (but that's too new to have been archived yet probably).

Expanded the search a little:
<http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=speedtouch+330+site:lists.ubuntu.com/archives&hl=en&lr=&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:unofficial&hs=abt&start=0&sa=N>

A lot of Italian pages, not many in English though.

You might want to read:
<http://steve-parker.org/speedtouchconf/>


Ubuntu-users may be a better place to look for help, they have more
people subscribed.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] K/Ubuntu?

[Andy]

On 15/12/06, Jonathan Riddell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 15, 2006 at 07:34:20AM +, Tez wrote:
> > >> Stephen Garton wrote:
> > >>> Now, it doesn't really bother me, but I was just wondering why the
> > >>> signature appended to the messages on the list link to the kubuntu
> > >>> wiki instead of the ubuntu one?:
>
> This list is for Kubuntu users as much as for Ubuntu users.

Ubuntu.com is however the main site. kubuntu.org is not. Kubuntu.org
is focused pretty much solely at kubuntu.

It just strikes me as odd and confusing that the list address it
Ubuntu.com yet the team link is Kubuntu.org.
Some people may not understand that the wiki content is the same, and
what is more worrying is that new 'Ubuntu' users will think that the
UK team is for Kubuntu only.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] And now my MP reply...

[Andy]

On 15/12/06, Caroline Ford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> They think that we need to educate children on what they will use in
> the work place - which to be honest is all windows.
The workplace will use whatever people are educated in.

>
> I've been advised at College, and in careers advice places, that I
> should study Microsoft qualifications as in the real world Microsoft
> dominate, *on the server*. I was told Unix is dying out..
Unix is going to die, but it will be replaced with Linux, NOT Microsoft.

In my house there are probably a number of Linux systems.
This PC runs Linux (yay me), the router runs Linux, yay router, I have
no idea what the set top box uses, but I suppose it could be Linux.


If they tell you that Linux is not being used and you should learn
Windows then you should know they are lying!!!
I was in the office of a guy who did research into DSP (Digital Signal
Processing), and told me that if I knew Linux I could expect a
significantly higher starting salary.
I also noticed his book shelf was dotted with books about Linux.

I found it quite interesting he was having to get his head around
Linux now as it was essential to what he was doing, appears the
educational establishments failed him.

As someone who was first introduced to Linux in University I am happy
to say a step is being taken in the right direction, however its not
far enough in my view, some departments, who I have to submit work to
insist on Microsoft formats.
The University insists on using Microsoft VPN technology and requires
10 working days to answer any query about Linux based systems.

If you work in an non-high tech industry then its not important, you
can use either Windows or Linux.

If you work in high tech industry its going to have to be Linux (or
Unix style) OS.

I have worked for a company in the past that had a similar issue, all
the developers had Linux boxes, it was essential to the work being
done.
HR and Management had Windows boxes, was there a killer application
they needed, not really, but if you stick someone who has invested
time in learning Microsoft tools they may not adapt easily.
Personally I know both Windows and Linux, my Uni forces me to use
both.

I am also working on a University project which is using an embedded
system, guess what OS that is running? Linux.

To say we can't teach people Linux and Free/Open Source software
because it isn't used is rubbish.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] OSS on BBC Radio 4, 9.30pm Sunday 14th Jan 2007

[Andy]

On 14/01/07, John McCourt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Shuttleworth
> should organise an event for them to attend too or
> appear on the Breakfast program to talk about his
> space trip and really talk about Linux ;-)

I _think_ he was on a BBC podcast once, probably Go Digital or Digital
Planet (they changed the name at some point).

You can read a few bits from the interview at:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6080048.stm

The Download link appears to point to the latest show and not the one
referred to on the page.

The BBC remove their podcast episodes from the feed 7 days after
broadcast, not sure why.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] IRC security mention in Ubuntu Weekly News 27

[Andy]

On 15/01/07, alan c <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I  have only used IRC a few times, and have only a vague idea of the
> issues around it. I noyice in UWN 27 that
> =
> If you are using IRC to connect to any of the Ubuntu IRC channels, the
> IRC Operator's Team would like to inform you that to make your
> connection secure you should use port 8001 when connecting to any of
> the Freenode servers.
Secure?
Do they really mean secure, when I tired to make an SSL connection it
refused, but non SSL works fine.
I would not ever call an un encrypted connection 'secure'.


> There has been a recent surge in people
> exploiting vulnerable routers of IRC users. Using port 8001 will
> prevent you from being disconnected from one of these DCC attacks.
This suggests to me that an attack is launched against a router, this
router then launches an attack on the users PC, is this correct?


> It
> is also recommended that you download and install the latest firmware
> for your router.
Ironically updating firmware for products from Linux is one of the
trickiest things to do IMHO. The firmware update software is written
for windows generally.

Anyone got any more info about this?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] BBC parliament

[Andy]

On 15/01/07, Roberto Sarrionandia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I can't access any of the realplayer video either, just the WMV.
What plug in is FireFox using?
Try the mplayer plug in for FireFox, it can handle real media OK.
If you get the first second playing and then it stops then just keep
hitting play eventually it will work, I think someone had a fix for
this (I will try and find it, in case that's what you need).

And of course complain to the BBC. They are supposed to be providing
content to all users!!!
I was always told the justification for having the BBC was so it could
provide for the smaller sectors of society that where not commercially
viable to provide for, so surely this means they should be supporting
Linux over Windows?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Opensource on BBC Technology

[Andy]

On 17/01/07, London School of Puppetry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Could someone outline for me the benefits of using OSS in schools and other
> publicly funded bodies- I feel in need of someone with knowledge to tell me,
> Caroline


I would expect the GNU guys to have a page about this on their
website, and here it is:
<http://www.gnu.org/education/education.html>

Some reasons off the top of my head:
1. Price (its often free of cost)

2. No single vendor lock in, Free Open Source software can be examined
and thus you can produce other compatible programs to read any files
you may have had.
You can also port them o different systems if you want.

3. Security. Schools hold sensitive information. If you use non-free
software you can not accurately determine what the program is doing,
it could be sending sensitive information back to its creator or could
have deliberate backdoors in it.
No-one but Microsoft knows if Windows contains such backdoors, but
there is more evidence to suggest it does have backdoors than evidence
to suggest it doesn't.

4. Ability to provide software to students, schools can allow students
to do work at home, such as writing essays, as long as they have a PC
if the school uses Free software then they can give out copies. This
allows poorer people to receive a better education, as much software
is now more expensive than the minimum hardware needed for a working
system.
(MS Office 2003, student version: £119.99 WinXP home SP2 £176.99
source Amazon.co.uk)
ArsTechnica budget box is $500, (roughly £250),
thus hardware cheaper than the MS OS and Office suite.
And that's not counting all the other software.
Or is it OK to require people to have money to get an education?

5. Ability to learn from the software.
All the source code is available. If a student asks 'how does this
program work', you can give them the source code to find out for
themselves.

6. Ability to adapt it to work with the schools system.

7. Ability to fix problems with the software if/when the vendor
refuses to (and yes vendors like Microsoft have refused to fix serious
security issues, let alone bugs)

8. Reassurance the program isn't going to suddenly stop being
maintained. If the company hat creates it folds another company can
work on it from where the dead company left off.

9. Effective use of British tax payers money. Should British tax payer
money be spent on strengthening a foreign monopoly? Surely it should
support British software companies. (And we all know that Canonical is
registered in the Isle of Man right?)

Also you may want to look at the Becta report.
<http://www.becta.org.uk/corporate/press_out.cfm?id=4681>

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Opensource on BBC Technology

[Andy]

On 18/01/07, Neil Greenwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> While I agree heartily with all of your points, I think there might be
> a flaw with this one...
> I seem to remember (and I could be incorrect on this) that at least
> some schools have licensing deals with Microsoft where the school
> purchases Office and the licence applies to the home machines of the
> students too. So the school can legally give out copies of MS Office
> to its students.
I was never offered MS Windows or MS Office by either my High School or College.

My University did pay a fee to Microsoft so we can get Windows XP
free, but NOT MS Office.

I also suspect there are indeed restrictions.
For the MSDN Academic Alliance (which can only cover certain subjects)
some of those restrictions include:
Not allowing other people to use the system (that includes family)
unless they are a member of MSDN-AA
Only being allowed to use it for academic or non-commercial work

and some of my favourites
Only being allowed to use windows to use the other MSDN-AA tools
Only being allowed to install it on machines that came with no operating system
(so no upgrading OS)
You can't use WinXP solely as a terminal accessing a UNIX telnet server

You need to be enrolled in: Science, Technology, Engineering or Maths
to get it as well.



On another note:

Anyone else think its ironic the E.U. publishes a report backing open
source, and the PDF was generated on Windows?

(according to evince: Acrobat Elements 7.0 (Windows) )

I wonder what the report was typed in?



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Guidelines for the mailing list (and Reply-To munging)

[Andy]

On 30/01/07, Neil Greenwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I get messages from two lists in this mailbox; one has Reply-to
> munging, the other doesn't.

What I find confusing is the Ubuntu and Ubuntu-uk set the reply to the
list (which I prefer), but sounder has the reply-to set to the author.
That always gets me. Why isn't it at least consistent?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] BBC Consultation

[Andy]

On 31/01/07, Scrase, Eddie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The BBC are running a consultation about introducing on-demand services (for
> example, replaying shows over the internet).

Noticed this as well, was half way through writing an email about it
when yours arrived in my Inbox, great minds think alike?

At least the trust is kind of on our side:
> The Trust also recommends that the BBC adopts a more platform-agnostic
> approach to the digital rights management framework which protects the
> programmes offered for download.
>
> The DRM framework currently relies on Microsoft technology but, the Trust 
> says,
> the BBC must develop a more platform-agnostic approach "within a reasonable
> framework" which takes account of other technology, such as Apple and Linux.
>From <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6317389.stm>


My view on non MS platform support: Extremely important. Not only do
non Microsoft users still have to pay the license fee if they own a
T.V. but the BBC was also created to cater for those who other
commercial entities didn't, so if anything it is more important to
make it available on non MS platforms than on MS platforms.

Does Canonical plan to make a formal response to this? They are based
on the Isle of Man aren't they?


All I can say is that I will be extremely disappointed if the BBC make
it Windows only. I have a Dual Boot and my Windows usage is dwindling,
I have found nothing on Windows that I want to use (forced to use
PowerPoint, but never want to).
I think the BBC giving people a reason not to use Linux or Open
Source/Free Software is surely interfering with commercial markets is
it not?

If its too much work to make a player for Linux, then release all the
documentation, APIs and Specs, you never know someone may be kind
enough to develop the application for you.

It worries me also that the BBC was allowed to spend money on
developing this program for Windows systems when it could have simply
provided the server side bit and let other people create the clients,
saving the BBC money.


Also a good quote from an analyst about the need for players for every
different download service harming adoption.

> "Consumers will have a computer littered with applications that take up
> space and memory. It would be like having to have separate set-top boxes
> to watch content from competing broadcasters,"

If only we had a standard for data transfer or video encoding.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] BBC Vista Coverage

[Andy]

On 31/01/07, Scrase, Eddie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I didn't realise Dell did that
Thats the problem, no one does that doesn't already know about Linux.

They are apparently extremely hard to find even if you are looking for
them and know they are there. It may have been improved mind.

People who know nothing about computers won't go hunting for something
that they haven't heard of.

Offer them 2 PCs identical spec, prices varying to reflect cost of
software and they may well go for Linux.

If the prices are the same (because the company is ripping the
customer off), then they won't.

Slight correction, searching for Linux does return some results, but
they say WindowsXP on the search page. But if you click on them you
can chose Linux.
(seems I searched for Linux you thought the search system would be
smart enough to display that wouldn't you?).

Ah I clicked on customise, went to OS and see Linux is not there!
I will poke around further if I still can't find it Dell will be
getting a strongly worded email.


> The nice people at the Linux Emporium
> (www.linuxemporium.co.uk) sell laptops with Suse Linux pre-installed.
People won't by from websites they've never heard of.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] BBC Vista Coverage

[Andy]

On 31/01/07, Andy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ah I clicked on customise, went to OS and see Linux is not there!
> I will poke around further if I still can't find it Dell will be
> getting a strongly worded email.

OK my fault I should have read it thoroughly, you actually have to
contact your Dell Sales Representative to get Linux.

So where are the ones that I don't have to phone a guy for?
(Maybe I should not have been looking at something labelled small
business, I thought it was a bit expensive).

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] BBC Consultation[Scanned]

[Andy]

On 01/02/07, Paul Brunt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> that means the BBC will have to come up with some
> sort of DRM for Linux if we want to use the service.

Well they don't need to come up with a secure DRM scheme as they don't
have one of those for Windows either, (one could argue that a secure
software based DRM scheme can not exist).

So we can accept that it will be breakable.

Its not hard to make a DRM scheme for Linux, why does the OS even
matter? C/C++/Java/Python code is portable, or do they want to use
.NET or something?

Software DRM works only on the assumption that one can not determine
how the "authorised" program works. You can do that just as easily on
Linux, just compile the code, yes it can be reverse engineered but you
could never hide it anyway, the CPU needs to be able to understand it.

I could probably write a DRM program in Bash, if I knew more about
shell scripting and had a clue about awk and sed and what not.

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[ubuntu-uk] Could Linux (and Ubuntu) do more to encourage students?

[Andy]

Hi all.

I just got an email from the Microsoft Marketing department, well
technically the sender was my University and it wasn't from the
marketing guys, or at least they don't call them selves that.

I am not entirely sure why my University is forwarding me junk mail
from Microsoft, I don't remember asking for it.

Anyway onto the fruit of the matter.
It was from the "Developer and Platform Evangelist Group".

It was about a competition called the "Imagine Cup", where you could
win $25,000.

Now you might think it is nice of Microsoft to be running such a
competition, I being a cynic have to wonder why they are running the
competition.
And I need not wonder for long, they reason is clear on these 2 URLs:
<http://imaginecup.com/Competition/SoftwareDesign.aspx>
<http://imaginecup.com/Competition/ProjectHoshimi.aspx>

Both require the use of .NET, and the software design requires the use
of Visual Studio.

I find it odd that my University mailed this, seems as they don't
lecture anything about .NET, and the CS department machines run Red
Hat Enterprise Linux.

It appears Microsoft are trying to buy off the young coders. Why is
Canonical, Red Hat and other Linux vendors not doing similar things?
If this works we will have no programmers for Linux, and we have few
enough Linux users as it is!

It would be happy to get an email from my University about a
programming competition based on Linux. And yet all I get is Pro-MS
stuff, using technology that the University doesn't even teach.

Incidentally we are taught C, and also Java, anyone else thinking that
Canonical and Sun should get together.

Oh well rant over. back to more important thinks (like trying to pass
my degree, you actually have to do work for them, I wish someone had
warned me about that ;))

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Could Linux (and Ubuntu) do more to encourage students?

[Andy]

On 02/02/07, London School of Puppetry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> or even put it onto some computers- are there CD's?

There are most certianly CDs. You can either dowload an ISO and burn
it your self, or order via shipit (theres an edubuntu shippit now).
See: <http://www.edubuntu.org/Download>
Or for Shipit: <https://shipit.edubuntu.org/>


> But I
> know they will want to know about support.and the support is in the hands of
> a MS franchised group.

<http://www.ubuntu.com/support/paid> or
<http://www.ubuntu.com/support/marketplace> might be of use.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Etiquette

[Andy]

On 04/02/07, London School of Puppetry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Good idea- then I might have avoided all the faux pas.

Well there is a link to etiquette on the page that details what the
mailing lists are.
For reference here it is:
<http://www.ubuntu.com/community/lists/etiquette>

> Though some of the
> points are a bit too technical for me to understand.

Feel free to ask about them, I'm sure someone will be able to explain them.

>From your message headers it looks like you use the gmail web interface.

You seem to be sending mail in HTML format, this increases your mail size.
When composing your message you should see a row of buttons for things
like bold and italics, next to that is a link titled 'plain text',
click it and the buttons should disappear. Your message will now be
sent as text.

You may also want to avoid quoting the end of someones message if your
not replying to it, saves space and we have seen their signature
before anyway. Its easy to overlook though, I now have to make sure I
don't do it with this email or I will look a right idiot.


As long as the thought is there most people will overlook
transgressions, except when the topic is about etiquette.

I'm sure someone will pick me up on my etiquette.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Completely off topic

[Andy]

On 07/02/07, Martin Castle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> this is a paste from the mail sent to me:
Ah how dedicated you are, it must have taken you ages to copy and
paste what someone else wrote.

> UK ROAD TAX Dear all, Have done this, it's very easy. We have nothing to
> lose by trying - if you don't want Tony Gordon to have all our money
> because we drive a car or bike, then please at least sign up - This is the
> official #10 petition site.
I thought bikes didn't pay road tax?


> The government's proposal to introduce road pricing will mean you having
> to purchase a tracking device for your car and paying a monthly bill to
> use it. The tracking device will cost about £200 and in a recent study by
> the BBC, the lowest monthly bill was £28 for a rural florist and £194 for
> a delivery driver.
Both of those are examples of commercial use of the road, surely they
should be paying a lot more?


> A non working Mum who used the car to take the kids to school paid £86 in
> one month.

She could have walked maybe? Most people do not live that far away from school.
It would of course be much safer to walk if there where less cars, or
less drivers who are too dangerous to be on the road, (I have lost
count of the number of times I have been endangered by incompetent
drivers)

> On top of this massive increase in tax, you will be tracked.
> Somebody will know where you are at all times.
Its a personal device you have to carry? I thought it was in the car,
or are you physically attached to your motor vehicle. It will know
where the car is, not you.

An interesting point, will the police have live access to this data,
i.e. if you car gets stolen can you phone the police and they will
know where it is?


> They will also know how fast you have been going, so even if you
> accidentally creep over a speed limit* you can expect and additional fine
> with your monthly bill.

So you are annoyed they are enforcing the law? Maybe you should
protest against speed limits?

> This is not limited to speeding. They also know where parking restrictions
> etc are located. And you!

Again you are saying you object to an enforcement of the law, surely
you should be campaigning against the existence of the law, i.e.
against parking restrictions.

> There are over 30million vehicles and drivers in this country. Just to
> register 3% of those against this proposal there needs to be 900k signed
> up! and the closing date is 20/02/07. Did you know about this?

No I didn't know about it, now I do, and still won't be signing it.
Did you know if pollution continues the way it is, that the polar
icecaps could melt, and UK cities could flood. It could also increase
extreme weather, (incidentally weather warnings are in effect,
freezing temperatures and snow).

Its high time we held drivers accountable for the actions.


Anyone know if they are using free software for this venture? or how
secure the system is, is it prone to tampering? (how long till someone
hacks the system and has Apache running on it :D, maybe they could
have a new version of Ubuntu, Carbuntu, for your onboard tracking
system?)


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lost again

[Andy]

On 22/02/07, Tony Arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You need to run the gconf-editor utility. The easiest way is to hit
> Alt-F2 which brings up the 'Run Application' dialgue box. Enter
> gconf-editor and click run. Teh configuration editor should appear.
[snip]

I may be mistaken but wouldn't the following be easier:
Open a folder window, click view->preferences select the Behaviour
tab, and change it from 'Double click to activate items' to 'single
click to activate items'.

(only tried it on 6.06)


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Anyway of downloading Iplayer?

[andy]

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> On Wed, 2008-02-06 at 12:58 +, Javad Ayaz wrote:
>> not much help then! well im sure someway will come along soon
> 
> Well you could get yourself a Freeview box with a hard drive in.  I've
> seen them somewhere (Argos I think) for under £80 with a big hard drive
> in.  You'd get hours of stuff on there.  Best get a dual tuner one
> though.
> 
> Or... fit a DVB-T Freeview card to your PC (or plug in a Freeview stick)
> and install MythTV which will record what you want in better quality
> without the DRM restrictions.
> 
> There are other ways of downloading the TV programmes using Bit Torrent
> too and you can find instructions on Google if you search enough.
> 
> Rob
> 
> 
> 
There's also been lots of work done on the iPlayer by the OSC.  The BBC
today have committed to having an OSX version by the end of the year -
so providing the OSC keep up their pressure - expect to see an open
source one there too.

Andy
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] mailing lists

[andy]

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Matthew Wild wrote:
> On Feb 8, 2008 2:36 PM, John Levin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Kirrus wrote:
>>> - "Andrew Oakley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Failing all of those, Yahoo Groups is one of the better free web-based
>>>> mailing list managers, and certainly VERY easy to use. Although
>>>>
>>> I would recommend staying away from Yahoo Groups - They stick adverts all 
>>> over your email. (I play on a Play-By-Email Role Playing Game, which uses 
>>> yahoo groups for it's mailing list.)
>>>
>> I didn't think of hosted services.
>>
>> Avoiding Yahoo is seconded; ads everywhere.
>>
> 
> Avoiding Yahoo is thirded... I have used Google Groups many times, and
> don't have any complaints.
> 
> http://groups.google.co.uk/
> 
> Matthew.
> 

I was wondering where I signed up to puppetry courses...

Let me know when you're re-organised so I can remove myself.

Regards,

Andy
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT: (Nanny) OGG Files

[Andy]

On 23/02/2008, Ian Pascoe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I need to try
>  and find a plug in for eithre Windows Media or REAL that will play (Nanny)
>  OGG audio files - anyone know of any and where to get them?

Try: http://vorbis.com/
Windows setup details: http://vorbis.com/setup_windows/

WMP uses direct show so you can use:
http://www.illiminable.com/ogg/downloads.html#stable

As for Realplayer I'm not sure the plugin is finished yet.

Have you considered VLC?

Andy

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Software Freedom Day 2008

[andy]

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Paul Mellors wrote:
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Ciaran Mooney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "British Ubuntu Talk" 
> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 11:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Software Freedom Day 2008
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'll organise a Birmingham Team again. But this year I want MORE! :)
> 
> If your in the Midlands and want to help, email me.
> 
> Ciarán
> 
> 
> On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 10:09 PM, Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Alan Pope wrote:
>>  > It's that time again!
>>  >
>>  > Ok, it isn't, but it's worth mentioning that Software Freedom Day 2008 
>> is on
>>  > 20th September this year. Just a heads up so you might want to put it 
>> in
>>  > your diary and start thinking about what we can do this year.
>>  >
>>  > Cheers,
>>  > Al.
>>  >
>>
>>  Well in Devon & Cornwall (if the Devon & Cornwall LUG can agree!) we may
>>  be having three events running on the day, one in Penzance, one in
>>  Plymouth and another in Exeter.  Of course this is currently in theory,
>>  actually pulling it off is another matter!
>>
>>  Rob
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Ciaran,

If I'm about I should be glad to help.  I'll hopefully see you at a
SBLUG meeting before then too.

Regards,

Andy
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[ubuntu-uk] Remote Desktop Sharing

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Guys,

I just thought I'd give a heads up on Remote Desktop.  A
Manchester-based company are going to release their remote desktop
connection software on ubuntu.  It's already got mac and windows clients
in BETA - and they're currently working on the installer for ubuntu.
This should be released soon.

I tried out the client between a mac and a XP machine - and it works
well.  Performance isn't better than anything else I've tried (NX, VNC)
and the interface is nice and simple.

Just thought it's the sort of software we like to see.. (soon-to-be)
proper cross-platform stuff.

Regards,

Andy
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Remote Desktop Sharing

[andy]

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Alan Pope wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 03:22:42PM +0000, andy wrote:
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>> Guys,
>>
>> I just thought I'd give a heads up on Remote Desktop.  A
>> Manchester-based company are going to release their remote desktop
>> connection software on ubuntu.  It's already got mac and windows clients
>> in BETA - and they're currently working on the installer for ubuntu.
>> This should be released soon.
>>
> 
> URL?
> 
> Cheers,
> Al.
> 

www.yuuguu.com

;)

Andy.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Remote Desktop Sharing

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Rob Beard wrote:
> Quoting andy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
>> I just thought I'd give a heads up on Remote Desktop.  A
>> Manchester-based company are going to release their remote desktop
>> connection software on ubuntu.  It's already got mac and windows clients
>> in BETA - and they're currently working on the installer for ubuntu.
>> This should be released soon.
>>
> 
> Interesting, it it Open Source or Proprietory?
> 
> Rob
> 
> 
> 

They are proprietary, but...

- From their site:

Business model

When we say free we mean free. The only thing that will cost you money
is dialling our voice conferencing service, but even that is cheap (its
90% cheaper than BT over the UK for example). We have some cool new
features coming out soon that we'll ask you to pay some money for if you
really want them, but what you are using now will always be free. So enjoy!
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[ubuntu-uk] Where are we with Green?

[andy]

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I've been listening to the BIG GREEN IT DEBATE on the register.. and
although it's no where nearly finished (more or less just started)..
there's already one point I'd love us to discuss.

One of the things that comes up when discussing 'Green motors' is what
I'd like to introduce as the Land Rover paradox.

"70% of all Land Rovers ever made are still on the road."

Once you take into account the energy required throughout the life of a
car, including assembly and destruction - are Land Rovers actually that
bad for the environment.

IMHO, ubuntu may fit into the Land Rover, rather than Toyota Prius
category, for a number of reasons.

1) Power Management - where are we at with ubuntu at the moment?  My
perception (this will/may be wrong) is that much of the onboard power
management is managed through propreitary code, therefore ubuntu
performs worse that XP.. par example (but much better than Vista.. on a
hunch).

2) Re-use.  Ubuntu saves having to re-buy PCs... However, if the
efficiency of the new PC means that it'll use less energy, surely
there's an argument that upgrading the hardware is more environmentally
efficient  - we need some better data to support the ubuntu approach (if
there is indeed one).

3) Linux versus MS.  Is there anything to suggest that linux boxes are
more power efficient.  This doesn't have to be at a hardware/software
level either.  More about policy and application.  Linux boxes don't
crash, so we never shut them down.. meaning they're never off.  Discuss.

I'm coming in at a tangent, but would be interested to hear other
people's perceptions of the 'Green-ness' of ubuntu - and some input from
people who can give hard facts on the performance of ubuntu power
management.

Regards,

Andy Loughran
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