Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another example of how the manufacturers conspire to ensure that if you don't use Windows you're screwed

[Alan Pope]

On 04/02/13 04:03, Rowan Berkeley wrote:

In my unending search for ways to implement the wireless driver on my
converted Compaq machine, I have found the recommended driver on HP's
website, and it comes in an MS-DOS .exe package which ndiswrapper cannot
use because the latter needs to access certain component files in the
package.



It's probably just a self extracting zip file. You can find out what it 
is with the "file" command:-


file 

You'll probably be able to unpack it with unzip:-

unzip 

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another example of how the manufacturers conspire to ensure that if you don't use Windows you're screwed

[Rowan Berkeley]

On 04/02/13 08:38, Alan Pope wrote:

On 04/02/13 04:03, Rowan Berkeley wrote:

In my unending search for ways to implement the wireless driver on my
converted Compaq machine, I have found the recommended driver on HP's
website, and it comes in an MS-DOS .exe package which ndiswrapper cannot
use because the latter needs to access certain component files in the
package.



It's probably just a self extracting zip file. You can find out what 
it is with the "file" command:-


file 

You'll probably be able to unpack it with unzip:-

unzip 

Cheers,
I'm glad I have several machines, so the one I'm writing on (a Lenovo) 
is not the one I'm talking about (the Compaq). I had to revert the 
latter to 3.5.0.22, because on startup this morning in 3.5.0.23, its 
Ethernet interface was disabled and unclaimed. Evidently all my 
tinkering with drivers has knocked it about a bit. I uninstalled 
3.5.0.23 via Synaptic. Hopefully when the machine updates to 3.5.0.23 
again, the problem will not recur. Now, regarding your suggestions, 
unfortunately, it seems that you can have a package sitting in plain 
view on the desktop but the terminal will keep telling you "no such file 
or package." This rather stops me in my tracks.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another example of how the manufacturers conspire to ensure that if you don't use Windows you're screwed

[Colin Law]

On 4 February 2013 11:40, Rowan Berkeley  wrote:
> On 04/02/13 08:38, Alan Pope wrote:
>>
>> On 04/02/13 04:03, Rowan Berkeley wrote:
>>>
>>> In my unending search for ways to implement the wireless driver on my
>>> converted Compaq machine, I have found the recommended driver on HP's
>>> website, and it comes in an MS-DOS .exe package which ndiswrapper cannot
>>> use because the latter needs to access certain component files in the
>>> package.
>>>
>>
>> It's probably just a self extracting zip file. You can find out what it is
>> with the "file" command:-
>>
>> file 
>>
>> You'll probably be able to unpack it with unzip:-
>>
>> unzip 
>>
>> Cheers,
>
> I'm glad I have several machines, so the one I'm writing on (a Lenovo) is
> not the one I'm talking about (the Compaq). I had to revert the latter to
> 3.5.0.22, because on startup this morning in 3.5.0.23, its Ethernet
> interface was disabled and unclaimed. Evidently all my tinkering with
> drivers has knocked it about a bit. I uninstalled 3.5.0.23 via Synaptic.
> Hopefully when the machine updates to 3.5.0.23 again, the problem will not
> recur. Now, regarding your suggestions, unfortunately, it seems that you can
> have a package sitting in plain view on the desktop but the terminal will
> keep telling you "no such file or package." This rather stops me in my
> tracks.

Show us the command you are typing and the error (and tell us which
folder you are in in the terminal).  Preferably copy/paste it out of
the terminal (Ctrl+Shift+C to copy from terminal).

Colin

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another example of how the manufacturers conspire to ensure that if you don't use Windows you're screwed

[Pete]

  
  
Have you thought about trying
Lauchpad or Bugzilla?
I had problems with my HP3070a Printer/Scanner and it was fixed
after I posted my problem in Launchpad.
I was given this link;

http://www.hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/install/install/index.html
Maybe you could have a look on the site...
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another example of how the manufacturers conspire to ensure that if you don't use Windows you're screwed

[Rowan Berkeley]

On 04/02/13 11:46, Colin Law wrote:

On 4 February 2013 11:40, Rowan Berkeley  wrote:

Unfortunately, it seems that you can
have a package sitting in plain view on the desktop but the terminal will
keep telling you "no such file or package." This rather stops me in my
tracks.

Show us the command you are typing and the error (and tell us which
folder you are in in the terminal).  Preferably copy/paste it out of
the terminal (Ctrl+Shift+C to copy from terminal).

Colin



Aha - the answer was contained in the question. it couldn't find it on 
the desktop, but it found it after I moved it to the home folder.



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Websites and your PC hardware details

[Byte Soup]

On 3 February 2013 23:19, Bruno Girin  wrote:

> On 03/02/13 18:09, Simon Greenwood wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > On 3 February 2013 16:00, Bruno Girin  > > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > That makes sense in context - failed logins combined with the changed
> > hardware would trigger an alert. From a service point of view it's
> > very frustrating for a bank to freeze an account without some kind of
> > notification - my bank have frozen my account after a detecting a
> > fraudulent transaction in the past, but they do have the courtesy of
> > phoning to tell me that they're going to do it.
>
> Well, yes. When their fraud engine is properly configured, they should
> only block your card when there is a very serious fraud risk. Any other
> situation, they should notify you of the dodgy transactions and let you
> confirm whether they are legit or not.
>
>
> >
> > It would be interesting to know if this system is able to extract
> > something from Firefox, Chrome and other browsers available to Ubuntu.
>

That's exactly what I wanted to know too :-)


> > Most if not all online banking services now work on Linux-based
> > systems although we're still the poor cousin in terms of support.
>
> Not quite. All banks I've worked with run on UNIX, typically AIX or
> Solaris. Some are considering Linux and in particular RHEL but purely as
> an exercise to reduce costs and benefit from commodity x86 hardware (as
> opposed to IBM PPC or Oracle SPARC).
>
> Similarly, banks are very benefits focused in terms of what they support
> and as long as the Linux share of their web server stats is low, they
> won't (explicitly) support it. If I take the example of the one I work
> with, their logic is very simple: any browser + OS combination that
> shows more than 1% share will be explicitly supported. Interestingly,
> the result of this is that the recent rapid version changes in Firefox
> have meant that the reported share of FF has dropped because the logs
> have shown a fragmentation between different versions. Add to this that
> you have many different browsers on Linux and there is absolutely no
> chance that any given combination would reach 1% for the time being. On
> the other hand, such simple rules have meant that we've recently been
> able to drop explicit support for IE6!
>
> With regards to what device fingerprinting is able to extract, this
> depends on the browser but there are things that all of them expose.
>

I suppose also it depends on what plugins the browser has too?


> Panopticlick [1] is a good way to get an idea of the sort of information
> that this technique can extract. To come back to the original BBC
> article, something as simple as screen size and colour depth could have
> changed as a result of changing the motherboard.
>

No I agree, its probably like Simon mentions, the machine might have been
running some local applications which would have had access to this
information and fed it back to their servers, thats why the author likely
had trouble.

>
> [1] https://panopticlick.eff.org/
>
> Bruno
>

Bruno, thanks for the link above and the Digital fingerprinting wiki page,
very useful to bookmark.

>
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another example of how the manufacturers conspire to ensure that if you don't use Windows you're screwed

[Colin Law]

On 4 February 2013 12:01, Rowan Berkeley  wrote:
> On 04/02/13 11:46, Colin Law wrote:
>>
>> On 4 February 2013 11:40, Rowan Berkeley  wrote:
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, it seems that you can
>>> have a package sitting in plain view on the desktop but the terminal will
>>> keep telling you "no such file or package." This rather stops me in my
>>> tracks.
>>
>> Show us the command you are typing and the error (and tell us which
>> folder you are in in the terminal).  Preferably copy/paste it out of
>> the terminal (Ctrl+Shift+C to copy from terminal).
>>
>> Colin
>>
>
> Aha - the answer was contained in the question. it couldn't find it on the
> desktop, but it found it after I moved it to the home folder.

Either you should have done
cd Desktop
or in the command specified Desktop/filename

Do you know about name completion in the terminal?  If you start
typing a filename and then hit tab it will try and complete the
filename for you.  If it does not complete then either there are none
matching or severeal, hit tab again and it will show you all matching
files (if there are any).  So to put the name of a file on the desktop
in a command type
the_command Des

Colin

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another example of how the manufacturers conspire to ensure that if you don't use Windows you're screwed

[Rowan Berkeley]

On 04/02/13 12:07, Colin Law wrote:

On 4 February 2013 12:01, Rowan Berkeley  wrote:

On 04/02/13 11:46, Colin Law wrote:

On 4 February 2013 11:40, Rowan Berkeley  wrote:

Unfortunately, it seems that you can
have a package sitting in plain view on the desktop but the terminal will
keep telling you "no such file or package." This rather stops me in my
tracks.

Show us the command you are typing and the error (and tell us which
folder you are in in the terminal).  Preferably copy/paste it out of
the terminal (Ctrl+Shift+C to copy from terminal).

Colin


Aha - the answer was contained in the question. it couldn't find it on the
desktop, but it found it after I moved it to the home folder.

Either you should have done
cd Desktop
or in the command specified Desktop/filename

Do you know about name completion in the terminal?  If you start
typing a filename and then hit tab it will try and complete the
filename for you.  If it does not complete then either there are none
matching or severeal, hit tab again and it will show you all matching
files (if there are any).  So to put the name of a file on the desktop
in a command type
the_command Des

Colin
Ahem. OK. But anyway, to return to my original point and Alan's response 
to it, there's nothing to unzip. It's just a single, integrated MS-DOS 
executable, very nice for Windows people but useless for Ubuntu people 
unless they decide to install WINE, which is not recommended just for 
one pesky Windows program. So, the situation is, Hewlett Packard's own 
solution for this driver problem not only is useless to me, but it 
doesn't even tell me what the standard name of the driver in the package 
is, so that I can find it elsewhere. I think I know what it is, from 
people at Ubuntu Forums, but when I follow the standard procedure for 
installing the one they recommend, I get stuck somehow. And indeed it's 
a waste of other mail list readers' time me going on about this here, 
when I could go to Ubuntu Forums and ask for help there, so I shall do 
that. Thanks anyway to all who tried...


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another example of how the manufacturers conspire to ensure that if you don't use Windows you're screwed

[Kris Douglas]

What he meant was that there may be zip data inside. Rename the file yo
something.zip and see if it opens in your Archive viewer.
On 4 Feb 2013 12:36, "Rowan Berkeley"  wrote:

> On 04/02/13 12:07, Colin Law wrote:
>
>> On 4 February 2013 12:01, Rowan Berkeley 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 04/02/13 11:46, Colin Law wrote:
>>>
 On 4 February 2013 11:40, Rowan Berkeley 
 wrote:

> Unfortunately, it seems that you can
> have a package sitting in plain view on the desktop but the terminal
> will
> keep telling you "no such file or package." This rather stops me in my
> tracks.
>
 Show us the command you are typing and the error (and tell us which
 folder you are in in the terminal).  Preferably copy/paste it out of
 the terminal (Ctrl+Shift+C to copy from terminal).

 Colin

  Aha - the answer was contained in the question. it couldn't find it on
>>> the
>>> desktop, but it found it after I moved it to the home folder.
>>>
>> Either you should have done
>> cd Desktop
>> or in the command specified Desktop/filename
>>
>> Do you know about name completion in the terminal?  If you start
>> typing a filename and then hit tab it will try and complete the
>> filename for you.  If it does not complete then either there are none
>> matching or severeal, hit tab again and it will show you all matching
>> files (if there are any).  So to put the name of a file on the desktop
>> in a command type
>> the_command Des
>>
>> Colin
>>
> Ahem. OK. But anyway, to return to my original point and Alan's response
> to it, there's nothing to unzip. It's just a single, integrated MS-DOS
> executable, very nice for Windows people but useless for Ubuntu people
> unless they decide to install WINE, which is not recommended just for one
> pesky Windows program. So, the situation is, Hewlett Packard's own solution
> for this driver problem not only is useless to me, but it doesn't even tell
> me what the standard name of the driver in the package is, so that I can
> find it elsewhere. I think I know what it is, from people at Ubuntu Forums,
> but when I follow the standard procedure for installing the one they
> recommend, I get stuck somehow. And indeed it's a waste of other mail list
> readers' time me going on about this here, when I could go to Ubuntu Forums
> and ask for help there, so I shall do that. Thanks anyway to all who
> tried...
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another example of how the manufacturers conspire to ensure that if you don't use Windows you're screwed

[Rowan Berkeley]

On 04/02/13 13:14, Kris Douglas wrote:


What he meant was that there may be zip data inside. Rename the file 
yo something.zip and see if it opens in your Archive viewer.


Ahem. OK. But anyway, to return to my original point and Alan's 
response to it, there's nothing to unzip.


I already in effect tried that; when I ran the command 'unzip' on it, 
the machine renamed it "sp58586.exe.ZIP" and looked at it and said "gar 
nicht," or words to that effect.



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another example of how the manufacturers conspire to ensure that if you don't use Windows you're screwed

[Elfy]

On 04/02/13 13:14, Kris Douglas wrote:


What he meant was that there may be zip data inside. Rename the file 
yo something.zip and see if it opens in your Archive viewer


You should be able to right click the thing and open with option should 
be archive manager
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another example of how the manufacturers conspire to ensure that if you don't use Windows you're screwed

[Bruno Girin]

On 04/02/13 13:21, Rowan Berkeley wrote:
> On 04/02/13 13:14, Kris Douglas wrote:
>>
>> What he meant was that there may be zip data inside. Rename the file
>> yo something.zip and see if it opens in your Archive viewer.
>>
>> Ahem. OK. But anyway, to return to my original point and Alan's
>> response to it, there's nothing to unzip.
>>
> I already in effect tried that; when I ran the command 'unzip' on it,
> the machine renamed it "sp58586.exe.ZIP" and looked at it and said
> "gar nicht," or words to that effect.
>
>

That looks like it tried to zip it rather than unzip it. Zip and unzip
sometimes try to be slightly too clever. Have you tried to humour the
computer and actually rename the file "sp58586.zip" before running unzip
on it?

Bruno


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Zoostorm laptop at ebuyer.com

[Paula Graham]

On 02/02/13 10:30, Barry Drake wrote:
> On 01/02/13 19:28, Paula Graham wrote:
>> So, less confusingly chatty recap: 1. find and download the driver 2.
>> change to driver's folder in a terminal 3. sudo make 4. sudo
>> make-install 5. sudo modprobe [module ID] Paula 
>
> Paula   Thanks for talking this one through in such detail. I've
> saved it for future reference.  I know what you mean about the
> problems getting the driver in the first place.  A couple or three
> years ago I bought a wifi dongle and had to compile a module.  There
> were four different drivers I found on the internet for this chipset,
> and only one of them worked.  Next kernel update, the module would not
> compile because of a deprecated function that had been removed in a
> GCC update so I had to re-write a couple of lines in the source.  The
> following kernel update incorporated the wifi chipset so I haven't had
> to bother since, but it was a pain at the time.
>
> Regards,Barry
>
I Know - I just bought an Epson V37 scanner - it took me half a day to
get track down the 4 components of the driver packaged for debian (no
ubuntu debs) from two different websites which had to be installed in
the correct order - and then Ubuntu still wouldn't recognise the device
until I did a bunch more tweaking - and then there's a bug which causes
apt-get to whinge every time I update now. Went to fix it by purging the
debian drivers and compiling from source but the source for the driver
is no longer available - or if it is I can't find it. There's a
discussion on Launchpad about how someone should fix it but doesn't seem
to have got beyond the discussion stage.

Ubuntu has more drivers oob than any other OS so 9 times out of 10 the
experience is infinitely better than with Windows - but when there isn't
a native driver it really is an epic pain in the btm!

Paula

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another example of how the manufacturers conspire to ensure that if you don't use Windows you're screwed

[Alan Pope]

On 04/02/13 13:21, Rowan Berkeley wrote:

I already in effect tried that; when I ran the command 'unzip' on it,
the machine renamed it "sp58586.exe.ZIP" and looked at it and said "gar
nicht," or words to that effect.



I grabbed the same file and indeed it's a windows executable and not a 
zip or self-extracting zip as first hoped.


If you run it under WINE it craps out part way through, however not 
before unpacking it in ~/.wine/drive_c/SWSetup/SP38586


I had a look in there and there's setup.exe and some cab files for the 
installation (which halted as mentioned above). I then unpacked it with 
"unshield" and lo-and-behold there's a bunch of driver directories...


unshield x data1.cab

The RT2860_Driver_XP2k directory is probably what you need for ndiswrapper?

alan@deep-thought:~/.wine/drive_c/SWSetup/SP58586/RT2860_Driver_XP2k$ ls -l
total 3504
-rw-rw-r-- 1 alan alan   14119 Feb  4 13:38 RaCoInst.dat
-rw-rw-r-- 1 alan alan  238944 Feb  4 13:38 RaCoInst.dll
-rw-rw-r-- 1 alan alan   31420 Feb  4 13:38 rt2860.cat
-rw-rw-r-- 1 alan alan  564788 Feb  4 13:38 RT2860.inf
-rw-rw-r-- 1 alan alan 2687552 Feb  4 13:38 RT2860.sys

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Zoostorm laptop at ebuyer.com

[Paula Graham]

On 02/02/13 07:48, Rowan Berkeley wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 7:28 PM, Paula Graham  > wrote:
>
> OK. Verbatim instructions plus chatty asides below cos it's Friday
> and I'm about to
> quit for the week wh!(etc)
> Paula
>
> I can see and digest all this. But without actually doing it again
> right now, I'd like to ask for one more instruction from anybody who
> feels able to supply it: I want one which will show me any other
> wireless drivers that may be loitering with intent to conflict,
> whether assigned, unassigned, enabled, disabled, or whatever. Then I
> can blacklist them, which is not hard.
>
>
Don't know if there's a list anywhere - doubt it given that the thing is
lurking in someone's Dropbox ;)

Apropos the instructions I gave though - it does occur to me that I
missed out what to do if Ubuntu whinges it hasn't got gcc when you issue
the 'make' command. If it does, this will fix it:

sudo apt-get install build-essential

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another example of how the manufacturers conspire to ensure that if you don't use Windows you're screwed

[Rowan Berkeley]

On 04/02/13 13:41, Alan Pope wrote:
> On 04/02/13 13:21, Rowan Berkeley wrote:
>> I already in effect tried that; when I ran the command 'unzip' on it,
>> the machine renamed it "sp58586.exe.ZIP" and looked at it and said 
>> "gar nicht," or words to that effect.

>
> I grabbed the same file and indeed it's a windows executable and not 
> a zip or self-extracting zip as first hoped. If you run it under WINE 
> it craps out part way through, however not before unpacking it in

> ~/.wine/drive_c/SWSetup/SP38586
>
> I had a look in there and there's setup.exe and some cab files for 
the installation (which halted as mentioned above). I then unpacked it 
with "unshield" and lo-and-behold there's a bunch of driver directories...

>
> unshield x data1.cab
>
> The RT2860_Driver_XP2k directory is probably what you need for 
ndiswrapper?

>
> alan@deep-thought:~/.wine/drive_c/SWSetup/SP58586/RT2860_Driver_XP2k$ 
ls -l

> total 3504
> -rw-rw-r-- 1 alan alan   14119 Feb  4 13:38 RaCoInst.dat
> -rw-rw-r-- 1 alan alan  238944 Feb  4 13:38 RaCoInst.dll
> -rw-rw-r-- 1 alan alan   31420 Feb  4 13:38 rt2860.cat
> -rw-rw-r-- 1 alan alan  564788 Feb  4 13:38 RT2860.inf
> -rw-rw-r-- 1 alan alan 2687552 Feb  4 13:38 RT2860.sys
>
> Cheers,
>
> Alan

You hunted through Hewett-Packard's site for that? Amazing. Well, 
indeed, the Ubuntu Forums people found exactly the same driver in its 
raw state, elsewhere, and I have it but evidently can't install it. 
Perhaps I need some of the other files, but what I have is just the 
basic thing, which is generally referred to as rt3562sta. I installed it 
just as Paula described, but no dice. There's a very interesting set of 
instruction here which I just found:

http://www.hyperborea.org/journal/2010/08/wifi-ralink-3062/

It says:
1. Go to Ralink’s Linux page and download the appropriate driver and 
firmware based on the model number.

2. Unzip the firmware
3. As root, copy rt280.bin to /lib/firmware/rt2860.bin

Now, this firmware I had no idea of. You must understand that Ralink's 
own site no longer exists, it has been merged with some other company, 
and as far as I can tell, there are no relevant drivers, with firmware 
or without, available there any more. That shouldn't be the case, and 
maybe a more expert hand could navigate into the site that has replaced 
Ralink and find them.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another example of how the manufacturers conspire to ensure that if you don't use Windows you're screwed

[Mark Einon]

On 4 February 2013 13:41, Alan Pope  wrote:
> On 04/02/13 13:21, Rowan Berkeley wrote:
>>
>> I already in effect tried that; when I ran the command 'unzip' on it,
>> the machine renamed it "sp58586.exe.ZIP" and looked at it and said "gar
>> nicht," or words to that effect.
>>
>
> I grabbed the same file and indeed it's a windows executable and not a zip
> or self-extracting zip as first hoped.
>
> If you run it under WINE it craps out part way through, however not before
> unpacking it in ~/.wine/drive_c/SWSetup/SP38586
>
> I had a look in there and there's setup.exe and some cab files for the
> installation (which halted as mentioned above). I then unpacked it with
> "unshield" and lo-and-behold there's a bunch of driver directories...
>
> unshield x data1.cab
>
> The RT2860_Driver_XP2k directory is probably what you need for ndiswrapper?

I'm really surprised that this driver is not supported in your kernel
- what version do you have? (run '$> uname -a' on the command line to
find out).

I think it's been in since 3.0, and available with compat-wireless from 2.6.30.

The rt2860.bin file is also available in the linux-firmware ubuntu package.

Cheers,

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another example of how the manufacturers conspire to ensure that if you don't use Windows you're screwed

[Rowan Berkeley]

On 04/02/13 14:31, Mark Einon wrote:

I'm really surprised that this driver is not supported in your kernel
- what version do you have? (run '$> uname -a' on the command line to
find out).

I think it's been in since 3.0, and available with compat-wireless from 2.6.30.

The rt2860.bin file is also available in the linux-firmware ubuntu package.

Cheers,

Mark



The machine concerned is now on 3.5.0-22 because all my messing about 
has broken the Ethernet Controller settings in 3.5.0-23, so I have 
reverted to the previous kernel. I have linux-firmware installed by 
default. Maybe I should install linux-firmware-nonfree as well?


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another example of how the manufacturers conspire to ensure that if you don't use Windows you're screwed

[Colin Law]

On 4 February 2013 14:42, Rowan Berkeley  wrote:
> On 04/02/13 14:31, Mark Einon wrote:
>>
>> I'm really surprised that this driver is not supported in your kernel
>> - what version do you have? (run '$> uname -a' on the command line to
>> find out).
>>
>> I think it's been in since 3.0, and available with compat-wireless from
>> 2.6.30.
>>
>> The rt2860.bin file is also available in the linux-firmware ubuntu
>> package.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Mark
>>
>
> The machine concerned is now on 3.5.0-22 because all my messing about has
> broken the Ethernet Controller settings in 3.5.0-23, so I have reverted to
> the previous kernel. I have linux-firmware installed by default. Maybe I
> should install linux-firmware-nonfree as well?

I suggested (I think) some time back in a different thread that you
try booting from the live CD/USB and confirm that the wireless is not
found in that case, but I don't think you replied.  See what
sudo lshw -C network
says about the wireless network when live-booted.  That will confirm
that the card is really not supported.

Colin

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another example of how the manufacturers conspire to ensure that if you don't use Windows you're screwed

[Rowan Berkeley]

On 04/02/13 15:22, Colin Law wrote:


I suggested (I think) some time back in a different thread that you
try booting from the live CD/USB and confirm that the wireless is not
found in that case, but I don't think you replied.  See what
sudo lshw -C network
says about the wireless network when live-booted.  That will confirm
that the card is really not supported.

Colin



Yes, I remember, but now it has Ubuntu installed, it simply won't boot 
from the USB stick, no matter how much I juggle the boot order around. 
Don't ask me why, it just won't.



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another example of how the manufacturers conspire to ensure that if you don't use Windows you're screwed

[Mark Einon]

On 4 February 2013 14:42, Rowan Berkeley  wrote:
> On 04/02/13 14:31, Mark Einon wrote:
>>
>> I'm really surprised that this driver is not supported in your kernel
>> - what version do you have? (run '$> uname -a' on the command line to
>> find out).
>>
>> I think it's been in since 3.0, and available with compat-wireless from
>> 2.6.30.
>>
>> The rt2860.bin file is also available in the linux-firmware ubuntu
>> package.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Mark
>>
>
> The machine concerned is now on 3.5.0-22 because all my messing about has
> broken the Ethernet Controller settings in 3.5.0-23, so I have reverted to
> the previous kernel. I have linux-firmware installed by default. Maybe I
> should install linux-firmware-nonfree as well?

I'm suspecting this isn't a kernel or firmware issue, but one of the
Ubuntu userland/unity things going a bit awry (which I can't be much
help on, unfortunately).

linux-firmware has the firmware you need, to check run:

$> dpkg -S  /lib/firmware/rt2860.bin
linux-firmware: /lib/firmware/rt2860.bin
$> dpkg -L linux-firmware | grep rt2860 | xargs file
/lib/firmware/rt2860.bin: data

then also run (and post the result) of:

$> lshw -C network (as Colin suggests)

and

$> lsmod

Cheers,

Mark



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another example of how the manufacturers conspire to ensure that if you don't use Windows you're screwed

[Colin Law]

On 4 February 2013 15:48, Rowan Berkeley  wrote:
> On 04/02/13 15:22, Colin Law wrote:
>>
>>
>> I suggested (I think) some time back in a different thread that you
>> try booting from the live CD/USB and confirm that the wireless is not
>> found in that case, but I don't think you replied.  See what
>> sudo lshw -C network
>> says about the wireless network when live-booted.  That will confirm
>> that the card is really not supported.
>>
>> Colin
>>
>
> Yes, I remember, but now it has Ubuntu installed, it simply won't boot from
> the USB stick, no matter how much I juggle the boot order around. Don't ask
> me why, it just won't.

What you have installed on the disk will not affect whether it will
boot from USB, it should boot before it even looks at what is on the
disk.  Possibly the stick is messed up.  Try putting the iso on a DVD
and boot off that, or put the image on a different stick.  It took me
a little time to work out why wireless did not work on my new laptop
until I realised that I had to switch it on with a function key.  Are
you sure it was not something like that for you, but now you have
messed up the drivers so that it now shows unclaimed rather than
disabled, which is what it would show if it just needed switching on?
You need to boot the live image to find out.  You may just be wasting
your time otherwise.

Colin

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another example of how the manufacturers conspire to ensure that if you don't use Windows you're screwed

[Rowan Berkeley]

On 04/02/13 15:59, Colin Law wrote:

On 4 February 2013 15:48, Rowan Berkeley  wrote:


Now it has Ubuntu installed, it simply won't boot from
the USB stick, no matter how much I juggle the boot order around. Don't ask
me why, it just won't.


What you have installed on the disk will not affect whether it will
boot from USB, it should boot before it even looks at what is on the
disk.  Possibly the stick is messed up.  Try putting the iso on a DVD
and boot off that, or put the image on a different stick.  It took me
a little time to work out why wireless did not work on my new laptop
until I realised that I had to switch it on with a function key.  Are
you sure it was not something like that for you, but now you have
messed up the drivers so that it now shows unclaimed rather than
disabled, which is what it would show if it just needed switching on?
You need to boot the live image to find out.  You may just be wasting
your time otherwise.

Colin


That was quite interesting. I looked at the boot order settings on the 
Compaq again, and the resident OS on the hard disk appeared to be ahead 
of the USB stick, so I changed that. I only have one USB stick, but I 
reinstalled Ubuntu 12.10 on it, using the Lenovo, and plugged it into 
the Compaq. I was able to bring up a "try Ubuntu without installing" 
condition on the Compaq. I know it was the genuine article because all 
the GUI settings, eg launchers, background, etc, were default, as is 
usual during new installation. My own personal GUI settings are quite 
different. So, inside this "try Ubuntu without installing" condition, I 
checked the Network Controller using the sudo lshw -C network 
instruction, which I now know by heart. And it was still unclaimed.


There are no hardware switches for the wireless network known to me, 
though there is a hardware switch for Bluetooth (the f12 button).


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another example of how the manufacturers conspire to ensure that if you don't use Windows you're screwed

[Mark Einon]

On 4 February 2013 16:38, Rowan Berkeley  wrote:
> On 04/02/13 15:59, Colin Law wrote:
>>
>> On 4 February 2013 15:48, Rowan Berkeley  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Now it has Ubuntu installed, it simply won't boot from
>>> the USB stick, no matter how much I juggle the boot order around. Don't
>>> ask
>>> me why, it just won't.
>>
>>
>> What you have installed on the disk will not affect whether it will
>> boot from USB, it should boot before it even looks at what is on the
>> disk.  Possibly the stick is messed up.  Try putting the iso on a DVD
>> and boot off that, or put the image on a different stick.  It took me
>> a little time to work out why wireless did not work on my new laptop
>> until I realised that I had to switch it on with a function key.  Are
>> you sure it was not something like that for you, but now you have
>> messed up the drivers so that it now shows unclaimed rather than
>> disabled, which is what it would show if it just needed switching on?
>> You need to boot the live image to find out.  You may just be wasting
>> your time otherwise.
>>
>> Colin
>
>
> That was quite interesting. I looked at the boot order settings on the
> Compaq again, and the resident OS on the hard disk appeared to be ahead of
> the USB stick, so I changed that. I only have one USB stick, but I
> reinstalled Ubuntu 12.10 on it, using the Lenovo, and plugged it into the
> Compaq. I was able to bring up a "try Ubuntu without installing" condition
> on the Compaq. I know it was the genuine article because all the GUI
> settings, eg launchers, background, etc, were default, as is usual during
> new installation. My own personal GUI settings are quite different. So,
> inside this "try Ubuntu without installing" condition, I checked the Network
> Controller using the sudo lshw -C network instruction, which I now know by
> heart. And it was still unclaimed.
>
> There are no hardware switches for the wireless network known to me, though
> there is a hardware switch for Bluetooth (the f12 button)

The command 'rfkill list' should tell you which rf kill switches are
available, and what their state is.

Cheers,

Mark

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another example of how the manufacturers conspire to ensure that if you don't use Windows you're screwed

[Colin Law]

On 4 February 2013 16:38, Rowan Berkeley  wrote:
> On 04/02/13 15:59, Colin Law wrote:
>>
>> On 4 February 2013 15:48, Rowan Berkeley  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Now it has Ubuntu installed, it simply won't boot from
>>> the USB stick, no matter how much I juggle the boot order around. Don't
>>> ask
>>> me why, it just won't.
>>
>>
>> What you have installed on the disk will not affect whether it will
>> boot from USB, it should boot before it even looks at what is on the
>> disk.  Possibly the stick is messed up.  Try putting the iso on a DVD
>> and boot off that, or put the image on a different stick.  It took me
>> a little time to work out why wireless did not work on my new laptop
>> until I realised that I had to switch it on with a function key.  Are
>> you sure it was not something like that for you, but now you have
>> messed up the drivers so that it now shows unclaimed rather than
>> disabled, which is what it would show if it just needed switching on?
>> You need to boot the live image to find out.  You may just be wasting
>> your time otherwise.
>>
>> Colin
>
>
> That was quite interesting. I looked at the boot order settings on the
> Compaq again, and the resident OS on the hard disk appeared to be ahead of
> the USB stick, so I changed that. I only have one USB stick, but I
> reinstalled Ubuntu 12.10 on it, using the Lenovo, and plugged it into the
> Compaq. I was able to bring up a "try Ubuntu without installing" condition
> on the Compaq. I know it was the genuine article because all the GUI
> settings, eg launchers, background, etc, were default, as is usual during
> new installation. My own personal GUI settings are quite different. So,
> inside this "try Ubuntu without installing" condition, I checked the Network
> Controller using the sudo lshw -C network instruction, which I now know by
> heart. And it was still unclaimed.
>
> There are no hardware switches for the wireless network known to me, though
> there is a hardware switch for Bluetooth (the f12 button).

OK, that sounds like a dead end.  Sorry for sending you off down a
dead end.  Still, at least you can boot off usb again, and have
confirmed that the wireless does not work out of the box.

Colin

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another example of how the manufacturers conspire to ensure that if you don't use Windows you're screwed

[Rowan Berkeley]

On 04/02/13 16:43, Mark Einon wrote:


The command 'rfkill list' should tell you which rf kill switches are
available, and what their state is.


0: hp wifi: Wireless LAN
hard blocked: no
soft blocked: no

1: hp-bluetooth: Bluetooth
hard blocked: no
soft blocked: no

Now I have the huge print-out from the terminal which was requested, 
having somehow managed to copy it from the terminal, paste it into a 
notepad file, copy that to the external hard drive, then from there to 
the Lenovo, which is what I'm using to talk to you. Here it is. I have 
suspicions about the r8169 right at the end. I think it's a rival 
wireless driver that won't run under Ubuntu but will conflict, and hence 
needs blacklisting.


rowan@rowan-Compaq-CQ58-Notebook-PC:~$ dpkg -S /lib/firmware/rt2860.bin
linux-firmware: /lib/firmware/rt2860.bin
rowan@rowan-Compaq-CQ58-Notebook-PC:~$ dpkg -L linux-firmware | grep 
rt2860 |xargs file

/lib/firmware/rt2860.bin: data
rowan@rowan-Compaq-CQ58-Notebook-PC:~$ sudo lshw -C network
[sudo] password for rowan:
  *-network
   description: Ethernet interface
   product: RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller
   vendor: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.
   physical id: 0
   bus info: pci@:03:00.0
   logical name: eth0
   version: 05
   serial: b4:b5:2f:38:ea:21
   size: 100Mbit/s
   capacity: 100Mbit/s
   width: 64 bits
   clock: 33MHz
   capabilities: pm msi pciexpress msix vpd bus_master cap_list 
ethernet physical tp mii 10bt 10bt-fd 100bt 100bt-fd autonegotiation
   configuration: autonegotiation=on broadcast=yes driver=r8169 
driverversion=2.3LK-NAPI duplex=full firmware=rtl_nic/rtl8105e-1.fw 
ip=192.168.1.66 latency=0 link=yes multicast=yes port=MII speed=100Mbit/s
   resources: irq:41 ioport:2000(size=256) memory:7f004000-7f004fff 
memory:7f00-7f003fff

  *-network UNCLAIMED
   description: Network controller
   product: Ralink corp.
   vendor: Ralink corp.
   physical id: 0
   bus info: pci@:04:00.0
   version: 00
   width: 32 bits
   clock: 33MHz
   capabilities: pm msi pciexpress bus_master cap_list
   configuration: latency=0
   resources: memory:9011-9011
rowan@rowan-Compaq-CQ58-Notebook-PC:~$ lsmod
Module  Size  Used by
bnep   18141  2
rfcomm 46620  0
bluetooth 209249  10 bnep,rfcomm
parport_pc 32689  0
ppdev  17074  0
nls_iso8859_1  12714  1
snd_hda_codec_realtek78048  1
snd_hda_codec_hdmi 32049  1
joydev 17458  0
snd_hda_intel  33492  5
snd_hda_codec 134213  3 
snd_hda_codec_realtek,snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hda_intel

snd_hwdep  17699  1 snd_hda_codec
radeon895730  3
snd_pcm96668  3 
snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec

snd_seq_midi   13325  0
snd_rawmidi30513  1 snd_seq_midi
snd_seq_midi_event 14900  1 snd_seq_midi
snd_seq61555  2 snd_seq_midi,snd_seq_midi_event
snd_timer  29426  2 snd_pcm,snd_seq
snd_seq_device 14498  3 snd_seq_midi,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq
ttm83596  1 radeon
uvcvideo   76750  0
hp_wmi 18049  0
videobuf2_core 32852  1 uvcvideo
sparse_keymap  13891  1 hp_wmi
videodev  120310  2 uvcvideo,videobuf2_core
kvm   414071  0
drm_kms_helper 49113  1 radeon
videobuf2_vmalloc  12861  1 uvcvideo
psmouse95595  0
drm   288721  5 radeon,ttm,drm_kms_helper
snd78921  20 
snd_hda_codec_realtek,snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_hwdep,snd_pcm,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq,snd_timer,snd_seq_device

videobuf2_memops   13405  1 videobuf2_vmalloc
soundcore  15048  1 snd
k10temp13127  0
serio_raw  13216  0
microcode  22804  0
rt3562sta 995054  0
snd_page_alloc 18485  2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm
i2c_algo_bit   13414  1 radeon
i2c_piix4  13168  0
mac_hid13206  0
video  19336  0
wmi19071  1 hp_wmi
lp 17760  0
parport46346  3 parport_pc,ppdev,lp
r8169  61651  0
rowan@rowan-Compaq-CQ58-Notebook-PC:~$

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu-uk Digest, Vol 94, Issue 8

[andres.muniz-piniella]

Sent from mobileubuntu-uk-requ...@lists.ubuntu.com wrote:On 04/02/13 13:14, 
Kris Douglas wrote:
What he meant was that there may be zip data inside. Rename the file yo 
something.zip and see if it opens in your Archive viewer
You should be able to right click the thing and open with option should be 
archive manager
On 02/02/13 07:48, Rowan Berkeley wrote:


On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 7:28 PM, Paula Graham  wrote:
OK. Verbatim instructions plus chatty asides below cos it's Friday and I'm 
about to
quit for the week wh! (etc)
Paula

I can see and digest all this. But without actually doing it again right now, 
I'd like to ask for one more instruction from anybody who feels able to supply 
it: I want one which will show me any other wireless drivers that may be 
loitering with intent to conflict, whether assigned, unassigned, enabled, 
disabled, or whatever. Then I can blacklist them, which is not hard. 


Don't know if there's a list anywhere - doubt it given that the thing is 
lurking in someone's Dropbox ;) 

Apropos the instructions I gave though - it does occur to me that I missed out 
what to do if Ubuntu whinges it hasn't got gcc when you issue the 'make' 
command. If it does, this will fix it: 

sudo apt-get install build-essential

Paula

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another example of how the manufacturers conspire to ensure that if you don't use Windows you're screwed

[Mark Einon]

On 4 February 2013 17:03, Rowan Berkeley  wrote:
> Now I have the huge print-out from the terminal which was requested, having
> somehow managed to copy it from the terminal, paste it into a notepad file,
> copy that to the external hard drive, then from there to the Lenovo, which
> is what I'm using to talk to you.
>
> Ah, ok :) for future reference, you can add ' > ~/log.txt' to the end of a 
> command to send the output to a file called log.txt.
To be really snazzy, you can use samba to share a folder on the remote
PC, mount it and add '> ~/.gvfs//log.txt' to do it all
in one go.

> Here it is. I have suspicions about the
> r8169 right at the end. I think it's a rival wireless driver that won't run
> under Ubuntu but will conflict, and hence needs blacklisting.

Only if it is a driver for the same hardware, which it is not. The
r8169 is the driver for your Realtek RTL8101E card (NOT Ralink), so
doesn't need blacklisting.


>   *-network UNCLAIMED
>description: Network controller
>product: Ralink corp.
>vendor: Ralink corp.
>physical id: 0
>bus info: pci@:04:00.0
>version: 00
>width: 32 bits
>clock: 33MHz
>capabilities: pm msi pciexpress bus_master cap_list
>configuration: latency=0
>resources: memory:9011-9011

Ok. So the device doesn't have a driver loaded, so it is a kernel
issue... It knows it's a ralink device (PCI vendor ID 0x1814) but
doesn't know what the device ID is. Can you please run, to find out
what this ID is:

$> lspci --nn > ~/pcilist.txt

and copy the pcilist.txt to the email?

> rowan@rowan-Compaq-CQ58-Notebook-PC:~$ lsmod
> Module  Size  Used by
> rt3562sta 995054  0

Hmm, this looks to be part of the Ralink vendor driver, which
shouldn't be here if we're trying to use the native kernel one. Is it
possible to remove this? ('sudo rmmod rt3562sta').

Cheers,

Mark

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