Re: [ubuntu-uk] recommendations for dongle internet?
On 2012-08-07, Kris Douglas wrote: > On 7 August 2012 17:26, Paul Sladen wrote: >> Yes, "too many variations [of Linux]" has historically been an issue >> and barrier in gaining Free software the mindshare/traction it >> deserves. >> >> Ubuntu is part of the answer to this; >> >> Focus people's attention on a single well-polished brand and OS. Get >> consumers (such as you and I) used to using and asking for "Ubuntu", >> and also get the hardware and services vendors to support that the >> same Ubuntu that the users are asking for. >> >> -Paul >> >> >> * NB. Once it's working on Ubuntu, it will work on all the distros: >> the key is to *focus* initially, rather than dilute and confuse. > > I was about to comment on this saying that was a bit of a bad idea, > when I actually thought about it, it's quite frankly genius. > > What's the point in confusing suppliers with jargon and options and > just say "Will this work with Ubuntu? Make it work, etc." It gives > them a name to hang on to, Linux is a very scary word to drop it > seems. > > I have seen it smack the grin off many a PC World employee, god knows > what Orange, 3 or Voda must think when they hear the dreaded word > after they just sold a Dongle. New slogan: "Ubuntu" is an African word meaning "less scary-sounding than 'Linux'". :-) -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] problems upgrading Ubuntu
I have managed to upgrade to 12.04 from the command line, which I found online, using this command: sudo do-release-upgrade but I still have the Python problem I had before, which means I cannot run Ubuntu Software Centre or the Update Manager. David K -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] problems upgrading Ubuntu
On Thu, Aug 9, 2012, at 03:51 PM, David King wrote: > I have managed to upgrade to 12.04 from the command line, which I found > online, using this command: > > sudo do-release-upgrade > > but I still have the Python problem I had before, which means I cannot > run Ubuntu Software Centre or the Update Manager. If an upgrade between releases didn't help then I think there is probably a file gotten left from an older version that's masking the right one. What's in /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/gi/ ? Robert Robert McWilliam r...@allmail.netwww.ormiret.com The opinions expressed herin are not necessarily those of my employer, not necessarily mine, and probably not necessary. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] problems upgrading Ubuntu
Here are the files listed there (using ls -lpR): /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/gi/: total 228 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 10184 May 17 08:06 _gi_cairo.so -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 143512 May 17 08:06 _gi.so drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Aug 9 14:47 _glib/ drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Aug 9 14:47 _gobject/ lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 41 May 17 08:06 importer.py -> ../../../../share/pyshared/gi/importer.py -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1841 Aug 9 14:47 importer.pyc lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 41 May 17 08:06 __init__.py -> ../../../../share/pyshared/gi/__init__.py -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1433 Aug 9 14:10 __init__.pyc lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 39 May 17 08:06 module.py -> ../../../../share/pyshared/gi/module.py -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 10132 Aug 9 14:47 module.pyc drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Aug 9 14:54 overrides/ lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 44 May 17 08:06 pygtkcompat.py -> ../../../../share/pyshared/gi/pygtkcompat.py -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 18496 Aug 9 14:47 pygtkcompat.pyc drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Aug 9 14:47 repository/ lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 38 May 17 08:06 types.py -> ../../../../share/pyshared/gi/types.py -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 9014 Aug 9 14:47 types.pyc /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/gi/_glib: total 100 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 77392 May 17 08:06 _glib.so lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root50 May 17 08:06 __init__.py -> ../../../../../share/pyshared/gi/_glib/__init__.py -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 208 Aug 9 14:47 __init__.pyc lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root48 May 17 08:06 option.py -> ../../../../../share/pyshared/gi/_glib/option.py -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 12698 Aug 9 14:47 option.pyc /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/gi/_gobject: total 172 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 54 May 17 08:06 constants.py -> ../../../../../share/pyshared/gi/_gobject/constants.py -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1978 Aug 9 14:47 constants.pyc -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 144864 May 17 08:06 _gobject.so lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 53 May 17 08:06 __init__.py -> ../../../../../share/pyshared/gi/_gobject/__init__.py -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5457 Aug 9 14:47 __init__.pyc lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 59 May 17 08:06 propertyhelper.py -> ../../../../../share/pyshared/gi/_gobject/propertyhelper.py -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 10720 Aug 9 14:47 propertyhelper.pyc /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/gi/overrides: total 184 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root49 Apr 12 11:09 Dee.py -> ../../../../../share/pyshared/gi/overrides/Dee.py -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5880 Aug 7 17:41 Dee.pyc lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root49 May 17 08:06 Gdk.py -> ../../../../../share/pyshared/gi/overrides/Gdk.py -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 12320 Aug 9 14:47 Gdk.pyc lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root51 Apr 16 21:17 Gedit.py -> ../../../../../share/pyshared/gi/overrides/Gedit.py -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2908 Aug 9 14:54 Gedit.pyc lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root64 May 17 08:06 GIMarshallingTests.py -> ../../../../../share/pyshared/gi/overrides/GIMarshallingTests.py -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2354 Aug 9 14:47 GIMarshallingTests.pyc lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root49 May 17 08:06 Gio.py -> ../../../../../share/pyshared/gi/overrides/Gio.py -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 7456 Aug 9 14:47 Gio.pyc lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root50 May 17 08:06 GLib.py -> ../../../../../share/pyshared/gi/overrides/GLib.py -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 11722 Aug 9 14:47 GLib.pyc lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root49 May 17 08:06 Gtk.py -> ../../../../../share/pyshared/gi/overrides/Gtk.py -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 66316 Aug 9 14:47 Gtk.pyc lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root54 May 17 08:06 __init__.py -> ../../../../../share/pyshared/gi/overrides/__init__.py -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3365 Aug 9 14:47 __init__.pyc lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root53 May 17 08:06 keysyms.py -> ../../../../../share/pyshared/gi/overrides/keysyms.py -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 41538 Aug 9 14:47 keysyms.pyc lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root51 May 17 08:06 Pango.py -> ../../../../../share/pyshared/gi/overrides/Pango.py -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2135 Aug 9 14:47 Pango.pyc lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root51 Jun 28 16:53 Unity.py -> ../../../../../share/pyshared/gi/overrides/Unity.py -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 388 Aug 9 14:53 Unity.pyc /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/gi/repository: total 4 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 55 May 17 08:06 __init__.py -> ../../../../../share/pyshared/gi/repository/__init__.py -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 376 Aug 9 14:47 __init__.pyc On 09/08/12 16:33, Robert McWilliam wrote: On Thu, Aug 9, 2012, at 03:51 PM, David King wrote: I have managed to upgrade to 12.04 from the command line, which I found online, using this command: sudo do-release-upgrade but I still have the Python problem I had before, which means I cannot run Ubuntu Software Centre or the Update Manager. If an upgrade between releases didn't help then I think there is probably a file gotten left from an older version that's masking the right one. What's in /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/gi/ ? Robert Robert McWilliam r...@allmail.netwww.ormi
Re: [ubuntu-uk] problems upgrading Ubuntu
I still cannot run Update Manager or Software Center. Every now and then a crash report is generated and an icon appears, with an option to report the crash, but I cannot see the contents of the crash. I expect it is in a file somewhere, does anyone know where? I have also installed the MATE desktop environment to give me back something that looks like my old Gnome 2 desktop, so I am happy with that. But the bugs I have experienced mean that things are not quite as good as before. Also some things look a bit different, e.g. buttons and panels in Rhythmbox look a lot bigger and the whole things looks less good than before. I also tried copying the _gi.so file from my Linux Mint installation to my Ubuntu 12.04 but that made no difference to the programs that will not run, still have the Python problem complaining about gi. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu One & s/w centre payment
Am I the only one who finds it perturbing that Software Centre or [afaik] U1 does not mention payment methods before accepting the t&c's. I was looking out of curiosity - to see how many, if any, methods are actually open source built. I'm guessing PayPal, credit card etc. all accepted... but are the available methods in line with / built on apps using open source? p.s I not "throwing a match onto petrol" here... I'm just curious. -- Cheers, Bill B. [SuperEngineer] -- -Registered Linux User 523667- -Registered Ubuntu User 32366- -Free as in Freedom-- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu One & s/w centre payment
On 9 August 2012 20:22, Bill B. wrote: > Am I the only one who finds it perturbing that Software Centre or > [afaik] U1 does not mention payment methods before accepting the t&c's. > > > I was looking out of curiosity - to see how many, if any, methods are > actually open source built. I'm guessing PayPal, credit card etc. all > accepted... but are the available methods in line with / built on apps > using open source? > > p.s I not "throwing a match onto petrol" here... I'm just curious. > > You don't have to give any payment details for UbuntuOne or Software Centre as both are initially free to use and the T&Cs reflect that. As for payment handling, there are plenty of client side implementations that are open source but the server side APIs generally aren't, and it does lead to the eternal question of how 'pure' open source can be and the answer is almost always up to the point where it has to interface with systems that don't share the philosophy, and financial systems are, for legal reasons as well as for security, inevitably closed. s/ -- Twitter: @sfgreenwood "TBA are particularly glib" -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu One & s/w centre payment
On Thu, 2012-08-09 at 21:03 +0100, Simon Greenwood wrote: > and financial systems are, for legal reasons as well as for security, > inevitably closed. Simon - a good and concise answer. Thanks. though the comment "and financial systems are, for legal reasons as well as for security, inevitably closed.".I refer the honourable gentleman to the current double dip recession ;D -- Regards, Bill B. [SuperEngineer] -- -Registered Linux User 523667- -Registered Ubuntu User 32366- -Free as in Freedom-- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu One & s/w centre payment
On 09/08/12 21:22, Bill Baker wrote: I refer the honourable gentleman to the current double dip recession ;D Nice one. In case people have not yet seen it, or have a spare hour or two coming up soon: F2C2012: Eben Moglen keynote - "Innovation under Austerity" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2VHf5vpBy8 -- alan cocks -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
