Re: [ubuntu-uk] Best way to contribute to Ubuntu? - was Re: 12.04 has locked me out of my account
On Sat, May 05, 2012 at 02:41:32PM +0100, alan c wrote: > I can confirm that this is a very convenient and practical way to > register a bug, and works pretty well. I cannot recall using it for > very long so perhaps it is relatively new facility, or if I have > just recently become aware of it. It's been available since Ubuntu 7.04, although we may not have done a great job of advertising it at various points. -- Colin Watson [cjwat...@ubuntu.com] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lucid Update Manager not informing Me of LTS upgrade
On Fri, May 04, 2012 at 08:22:16PM +0100, Alan Bell wrote: > On 04/05/12 19:59, Dave Morley wrote: > >You can do "update-manager -d" However I would wait till there is a > >clear upgrade path, or do a fresh install to get around it. > > um, do be careful not to accidentally overshoot and upgrade to > Quantal Quetzal! upgrade-manager -d will show releases in > development, which might not be what you are after. Not when configured to show only LTS releases, which is the default if (as the OP) you're running 10.04 LTS; in that case you'll get those listed in http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-lts-development, i.e. -d => 12.04. Upgrades to 12.04 will become available to 10.04 users by default (i.e. without -d) when 12.04.1 is released. -- Colin Watson [cjwat...@ubuntu.com] -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu beginners course in North Tyneside
Hi reading your comments on introducing Ubuntu I thought you might be interested in our experiences of Ubuntu as a training medium. We have been running a project in South Cheshire for 4 years. The aim of the project is to support local communities by improving access to IT. We run a range of activities including 'drop in help sessions, loan of recycled pcs and free internet access at both local and neighbourhood levels. Central to our activities is use of Ubuntu, we have about 250 Pcs on loan all of which are Ubuntu based. Many of our loan PCs are used by school children and FE/HE students for their home studies. All our workshop PCs/Laptops (about 25) are Ubuntu based. We expect to see about 500 people per month in our workshops held at community centres and rural village halls. So we think we must have over 1000 people in the area regularly using Ubuntu from version 8.04 onward We adopted Unity at 11.10 - customers liked it - trainers liked it. We are currently deploying 12.04 - only comment we are getting is 'this is quicker'. When we were designing the project we decided that Ubuntu was the OS of choice and that we would centre all project activity on this software. Our opinion is that we now live in a world where Apple, Android, Google plus about 4 versions of Windows are in common circulation at any time; therefore users often use 2 or more different operating systems with phones tablets and PCs in common use. Users therefore need to have a generic understanding and transferable skills rather than the ability to use just one software. As an organisation with training as on of our primary functions we can definitely confirm the customer willingness to use Ubuntu as their primary learning medium As a voluntary group we are very cost conscious and we are certain that without Ubuntu this project would not have been able to develop in the way it has. Obviously licensing costs has been a factor in this but the savings through minimal repair time and no virus problems have been vital. Congratulations to the 12.04 team our upgrading to less than 2 hours for 25 machines - best yet Thanks John Bottomley On 06/05/12 13:00, ubuntu-uk-requ...@lists.ubuntu.com wrote: Send ubuntu-uk mailing list submissions to ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ubuntu-uk-requ...@lists.ubuntu.com You can reach the person managing the list at ubuntu-uk-ow...@lists.ubuntu.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of ubuntu-uk digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Ubuntu beginners course in North Tyneside (Bea Groves) 2. Re: Ubuntu beginners course in North Tyneside (Gareth France) 3. Re: Ubuntu beginners course in North Tyneside (kpb) 4. Re: Error report not working (Colin Law) 5. Re: Ubuntu beginners course in North Tyneside (Alan Pope) -- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 05 May 2012 20:21:35 +0100 From: Bea Groves To: UK Ubuntu Talk Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu beginners course in North Tyneside Message-ID:<4fa57dbf.7060...@googlemail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi! I'm actually the President of IfL -- so it sometimes helps in getting educational bodies to do things they normally wouldn't ;-) I'm not against Unity. I just think I need to get my little bunch of 'pioneers' used to something closer to what they're used to Windows-wise than go with the redesigned (and controversial) UI. I've discussed with my group the possibility of upgrading the memory sticks later in the course, as and when they're feeling confident. On 05/05/12 19:20, kpb wrote: On 05/05/12 19:00, Gareth France wrote: I actually installed 10.10 (staying clear of Unity just for the moment until all the controversy dies down a little) onto the 4GB sticks using the Windows 'Universal USB installer'. Works like a dream! Students plug in the stick, switch on the PC... and hey presto! Later when we upgrade to a more recent LTS version we can just reformat the sticks. It's a shame you feel pushed into ditching Ubuntu's biggest unique selling point. What Canonical have done with unity is amazing and I'm certain they're on the right path in the long run. It's just frustrating that people seem to have so much trouble ditching 20+ years of UI baggage. Hello Bea Really well done. Your experience has confirmed my resolve to run a couple of workshops at the FE College where I teach. I'll probably go for freebie/3 GLH type taster courses to begin with to test the water. FE Colleges get less 'developmental' funding than adult education centres. I'll offer it as staff development in June/July to begin with to see what acti
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu beginners course in North Tyneside
On 05/06/2012 06:26 PM, John Bottomley wrote: Hi reading your comments on introducing Ubuntu I thought you might be interested in our experiences of Ubuntu as a training medium. We have been running a project in South Cheshire for 4 years. The aim of the project is to support local communities by improving access to IT. We run a range of activities including 'drop in help sessions, loan of recycled pcs and free internet access at both local and neighbourhood levels. Central to our activities is use of Ubuntu, we have about 250 Pcs on loan all of which are Ubuntu based. Many of our loan PCs are used by school children and FE/HE students for their home studies. All our workshop PCs/Laptops (about 25) are Ubuntu based. We expect to see about 500 people per month in our workshops held at community centres and rural village halls. So we think we must have over 1000 people in the area regularly using Ubuntu from version 8.04 onward We adopted Unity at 11.10 - customers liked it - trainers liked it. We are currently deploying 12.04 - only comment we are getting is 'this is quicker'. When we were designing the project we decided that Ubuntu was the OS of choice and that we would centre all project activity on this software. Our opinion is that we now live in a world where Apple, Android, Google plus about 4 versions of Windows are in common circulation at any time; therefore users often use 2 or more different operating systems with phones tablets and PCs in common use. Users therefore need to have a generic understanding and transferable skills rather than the ability to use just one software. As an organisation with training as on of our primary functions we can definitely confirm the customer willingness to use Ubuntu as their primary learning medium As a voluntary group we are very cost conscious and we are certain that without Ubuntu this project would not have been able to develop in the way it has. Obviously licensing costs has been a factor in this but the savings through minimal repair time and no virus problems have been vital. Congratulations to the 12.04 team our upgrading to less than 2 hours for 25 machines - best yet Thanks John Bottomley Hi John, Wherabouts in South Cheshire are you based or do you have a website I can have a look at? I can't be far from you (Runcorn) and may get chance to come down for a visit at some point. Dave Jones -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Precise - some thoughts .....
Hi there One of many things I've learned from spending time on Ubuntu Answers and AskUbuntu is that a significant number of folk are totally confused because they have a wubi installation. In many cases I have spotted this early on in the process of trying to help. One lady was asked (not by me) to boot from the live-DVD and click the 'Try Ubuntu' option. She does not get the 'Try Ubuntu' option. To her, booting meant putting the disk in while Windows was running. She does have a wubi installation with a failed upgrade that I think we may sort out. Now, we have a significant number of ordinary folk familiar only with Windows, wanting to try Ubuntu. I'd like to see a change in the Autorun behaviour under Windows. Rather than automatically firing wubi up, I'd like to see the autorun bring up an HTML page with several links and an explanation about exactly what wubi is and does. Then the suggestion that the user ought to first try Ubuntu with full instructions as to how to boot from a DVD in really basic terms. Most computers these days come with the bios options NOT set to boot from anything other than a hard-drive. One question I'm painfully working through is from someone who is thinking of using wubi simply because when he starts the computer it does not boot from the DVD. He actually wants to try Ubuntu to see if it's for him. Wubi would not be right in this case, and BIOS settings are a foreign word to him. I'm trying really hard to explain with little success so far, what they are about. Any thoughts on this from you guys? Regards,Barry. -- Barry Drake is a member of the the Ubuntu Advertising team. http://ubuntuadverts.org/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Precise - some thoughts .....
On Sun, 2012-05-06 at 21:17 +0100, Barry Drake wrote: > Hi there One of many things I've learned from spending time on > Ubuntu Answers and AskUbuntu is that a significant number of folk are > totally confused because they have a wubi installation. In many cases I > have spotted this early on in the process of trying to help. One lady > was asked (not by me) to boot from the live-DVD and click the 'Try > Ubuntu' option. She does not get the 'Try Ubuntu' option. To her, > booting meant putting the disk in while Windows was running. She does > have a wubi installation with a failed upgrade that I think we may sort out. > > Now, we have a significant number of ordinary folk familiar only with > Windows, wanting to try Ubuntu. I'd like to see a change in the Autorun > behaviour under Windows. Rather than automatically firing wubi up, I'd > like to see the autorun bring up an HTML page with several links and an > explanation about exactly what wubi is and does. Then the suggestion > that the user ought to first try Ubuntu with full instructions as to how > to boot from a DVD in really basic terms. Most computers these days > come with the bios options NOT set to boot from anything other than a > hard-drive. > > One question I'm painfully working through is from someone who is > thinking of using wubi simply because when he starts the computer it > does not boot from the DVD. He actually wants to try Ubuntu to see if > it's for him. Wubi would not be right in this case, and BIOS settings > are a foreign word to him. I'm trying really hard to explain with > little success so far, what they are about. > > Any thoughts on this from you guys? > > Regards,Barry. > > -- > Barry Drake is a member of the the Ubuntu Advertising team. > http://ubuntuadverts.org/ > > Not quite the situation, but... This very morning I had a wonderful example of similar. the user was, however, communicating via their desktop pooter whilst about to try Ubuntu on their netbook. It was a wonderful case of Four questions asked - four questions answered - Ubuntu installed. The difference here is that the user had enough nouse to ask before use if only the situation you describe could replicate that, then all would be good. -- Regards, Bill B. [SuperEngineer] -- -Registered Linux User 523667- -Registered Ubuntu User 32366- -Free as in Freedom-- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Precise - some thoughts .....
On 06/05/12 21:40, Bill Baker wrote: This very morning I had a wonderful example of similar. the user was, however, communicating via their desktop pooter whilst about to try Ubuntu on their netbook. It was a wonderful case of Four questions asked - four questions answered - Ubuntu installed. The difference here is that the user had enough nouse to ask before use if only the situation you describe could replicate that, then all would be good. Less than two years ago, EVERYONE knew that Gnu/Linux was for really sad geeks and none other. Normal people use Windows of course. In the last eighteen months or so, that perception has changed. It is up to us to spoonfeed the new potential user without crippling the system as the legacy folk seem to have done. That is our challenge which is why I would like to see a change in the way we present the autorun feature. Regards,Barry. -- Barry Drake is a member of the the Ubuntu Advertising team. http://ubuntuadverts.org/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Precise - some thoughts .....
On 6 May 2012 21:17, Barry Drake wrote: > Hi there One of many things I've learned from spending time on > Ubuntu Answers and AskUbuntu is that a significant number of folk are > totally confused because they have a wubi installation. In many cases I > have spotted this early on in the process of trying to help. One lady was > asked (not by me) to boot from the live-DVD and click the 'Try Ubuntu' > option. She does not get the 'Try Ubuntu' option. To her, booting meant > putting the disk in while Windows was running. She does have a wubi > installation with a failed upgrade that I think we may sort out. > > Now, we have a significant number of ordinary folk familiar only with > Windows, wanting to try Ubuntu. I'd like to see a change in the Autorun > behaviour under Windows. Rather than automatically firing wubi up, I'd > like to see the autorun bring up an HTML page with several links and an > explanation about exactly what wubi is and does. Then the suggestion that > the user ought to first try Ubuntu with full instructions as to how to boot > from a DVD in really basic terms. Most computers these days come with the > bios options NOT set to boot from anything other than a hard-drive. > > One question I'm painfully working through is from someone who is thinking > of using wubi simply because when he starts the computer it does not boot > from the DVD. He actually wants to try Ubuntu to see if it's for him. > Wubi would not be right in this case, and BIOS settings are a foreign word > to him. I'm trying really hard to explain with little success so far, what > they are about. > > Any thoughts on this from you guys? > All the computers I use now have an option to show a boot menu. Usually something like Esc or F12. Sometimes this shown as an option when the computer is starting up, sometimes not. My desktop tells me it is Esc, my two EEEPCs don't tell me, but it is still Esc. So I don't need to go into the BIOS to change the boot sequence. Maybe your chap can find a boot menu option and you can avoid any mention of the BIOS. Tony -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Precise - some thoughts .....
On 6 May 2012 21:17, Barry Drake wrote: > Hi there One of many things I've learned from spending time on > Ubuntu Answers and AskUbuntu is that a significant number of folk are > totally confused because they have a wubi installation. In many cases I > have spotted this early on in the process of trying to help. One lady was > asked (not by me) to boot from the live-DVD and click the 'Try Ubuntu' > option. She does not get the 'Try Ubuntu' option. To her, booting meant > putting the disk in while Windows was running. She does have a wubi > installation with a failed upgrade that I think we may sort out. > > Now, we have a significant number of ordinary folk familiar only with > Windows, wanting to try Ubuntu. I'd like to see a change in the Autorun > behaviour under Windows. Rather than automatically firing wubi up, I'd > like to see the autorun bring up an HTML page with several links and an > explanation about exactly what wubi is and does. Then the suggestion that > the user ought to first try Ubuntu with full instructions as to how to boot > from a DVD in really basic terms. Most computers these days come with the > bios options NOT set to boot from anything other than a hard-drive. > > One question I'm painfully working through is from someone who is thinking > of using wubi simply because when he starts the computer it does not boot > from the DVD. He actually wants to try Ubuntu to see if it's for him. > Wubi would not be right in this case, and BIOS settings are a foreign word > to him. I'm trying really hard to explain with little success so far, what > they are about. > > Any thoughts on this from you guys? > > Maybe it should be shown somewhere that someone is using wubi. Does wubi have a logon screen? If it does, perhaps it should say "Ubuntu 12.04 LTS (using Wubi)", instead of just "Ubuntu 12.04 LTS". Better still if it could be permanently noted on the Panel. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
