Re: [ubuntu-uk] Firefox and BBC video clips

[Alan Pope]

On Mon, Apr 16, 2007 at 10:58:30PM +0100, Tony Arnold wrote:
> Or is there a way to play real audio and video without the non-free
> realplayer?
> 

Yes, I dont have realplayer installed at all, I watch BBC programmes using 
mplayer mozilla plugin. It works in much the same way as realplayer - the 
little box pops up when you click video on the bbc website and the video 
plays in it. It just works.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Firefox and BBC video clips

[Andrew Barber]

On 17/04/07, Alan Pope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 16, 2007 at 10:58:30PM +0100, Tony Arnold wrote:
> > Or is there a way to play real audio and video without the non-free
> > realplayer?
> >
>
> Yes, I dont have realplayer installed at all, I watch BBC programmes using
> mplayer mozilla plugin. It works in much the same way as realplayer - the
> little box pops up when you click video on the bbc website and the video
> plays in it. It just works.
>
>
> Cheers,
> Al.
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Would it be worth emailing somebody in the BBC and telling them to
maybe add a link to their window on what you need to run video on
GNU/Linux.
For instance "GNU/Linux users please click here", then a page
detailing one way of playing them. Mplayer would be the best advice as
it is FOSS.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Firefox and BBC video clips

[Alan Pope]

On Tue, Apr 17, 2007 at 09:23:42AM +0100, Andrew Barber wrote:
> Would it be worth emailing somebody in the BBC and telling them to
> maybe add a link to their window on what you need to run video on
> GNU/Linux.

I don't think it's appropriate to put something inside that window. They do 
have a help page which details how to play Real content on various 
platforms. That page already mentions Unix/Linux, but of course suggests 
installing Real.

I guess the tricky thing is that each distro is slightly different. You 
can't just say "use mplayer, off you go, sort yourself out" to the kind of 
audience the BBC has.

Maybe if someone came up with a coherent set of instructions for each of the 
major distros on how to make mplayer work, and submitted that to the BBC, 
they might be more inclined to modify their FAQ page.

Cheers,
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Firefox and BBC video clips

[Lee Tambiah]

I usually use the Firefox Media connectivity plugin, this usually works for
most things. You can configure it so it responds to different medias. Where
you have embedded media it will put a black box which you can click, that
will then open the media player that you have configured and your away.

Of course the real problem is the fact the BBC are using proprietry closed
formats to transmit there media, they would argue it protects there content,
but thats complete rubbish because I can pull any of there streams using an
mplayer command and dump the stream into a file to play as many times as I
want! So thats how good the protection is, but don't tell them you can do
that ;-)...

Regards

Lee


On 4/17/07, Alan Pope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On Tue, Apr 17, 2007 at 09:23:42AM +0100, Andrew Barber wrote:
> Would it be worth emailing somebody in the BBC and telling them to
> maybe add a link to their window on what you need to run video on
> GNU/Linux.

I don't think it's appropriate to put something inside that window. They
do
have a help page which details how to play Real content on various
platforms. That page already mentions Unix/Linux, but of course suggests
installing Real.

I guess the tricky thing is that each distro is slightly different. You
can't just say "use mplayer, off you go, sort yourself out" to the kind of
audience the BBC has.

Maybe if someone came up with a coherent set of instructions for each of
the
major distros on how to make mplayer work, and submitted that to the BBC,
they might be more inclined to modify their FAQ page.

Cheers,
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] The Latest Wireless

[Chris Wright]

TheVeech wrote:
> On Thu, 2007-04-12 at 17:41 +0100, Chris Wright wrote:
>> TheVeech wrote:
>>> What's the latest in wireless that's available on Ubuntu?  I'm using 'b'
>>> & 'g', but what's the state of play with 'n'/'pre-n'?
>>>
>>> If that's currently a no-go, any tips for extending existing coverage
>>> (Netgear wireless router)?
>>>
>>>
>> I had the DG834GT but recently replaced it with the DG834N (after the GT 
>> went up in smoke).
> 
> The GT is the one I had with a new aerial.  At the moment, I'm trying to
> extend the cable version.
> 
> 
>> I changed the antennae on the GT to an external 'high gain' and that 
>> helped. The router was in the front room of my house, and the kids PC's 
>> which were all upstairs would connect no problem.
>>
>> After the change, I could see my neighbours network.
>> I could also get decent connection at the end of my yard (which meant 
>> working at home on Sunny days lounging in the yard was a lot easier).
> 
> I'm just starting to appreciate this.  It's ten times better than being
> stuck indoors, plus I won't suffer from geek pastiness for much longer!

I work from home, so getting with the recent sun and warmth, working 
outside in the middle of the coutryside has it's benefits.
(Apart from last week when the farmer went round and dumped several 
hundred tons of manure in the field 4ft from my back fence).

> 
> 
>> I could do voip and video conf at least 100ft away from the router with 
>> the new aerial.
> 
> I bought one, but I must have just got a dud.

Netgear have had a problem with dud's according to a few posts I've read 
on their forums.
> 
> 
>> The new 'N' apart from having the new as yet unreleased standard (or 
>> non-ratified), also has an internal antennae. (In fact it has 2 or 3 
>> internal antennas).  With these, I don't use the external (and can't 
>> because there is no connection).
>> Wireless range has improved with the "N" despite the lack of external 
>> antennae
> 
> Is improved range with an 'N' card in your laptop too, or just using
> 'b'/'g'?
> 
> 

It's with the b/g.  Actually, despite buying the damn 'N' version, I 
don't have any cards that actually support it.

As a side note on the range, my neighbour has been having problems with 
his current DLink dropping his sons XBox connection all the time, but he 
could see my Netgear, so I added him and now he connects via me. Must be 
at least 4 walls and 100ft plus.  Don't know what the quality of his 
connection is like, but it's rock solid. (His son doesn't play online 
gaming, just uses it for mail and stuff occasionally).



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[ubuntu-uk] Release Parties

[Ciaran Mooney]

Hi,

Are there any plans for release parties around the UK on Friday or  Sat?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Firefox and BBC video clips

[alan c]

Alan Pope wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 16, 2007 at 10:58:30PM +0100, Tony Arnold wrote:
>> Or is there a way to play real audio and video without the non-free
>> realplayer?
>> 
> 
> Yes, I dont have realplayer installed at all, I watch BBC programmes using 
> mplayer mozilla plugin. It works in much the same way as realplayer - the 
> little box pops up when you click video on the bbc website and the video 
> plays in it. It just works.

I did not get success with mplayer consistently (kubuntu), although I 
did have it working at some time in the recent past.
If there was a Ubuntu/Kubuntu specific help link from the bbc audio 
help I would certainly try to use it.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Firefox and BBC video clips

[Alan Pope]

On Tue, Apr 17, 2007 at 02:02:27PM +0100, Stephen Garton wrote:
> On 17/04/07, Alan Pope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [Snip]
> > I watch BBC programmes using
> > mplayer mozilla plugin. It works in much the same way as realplayer - the
> > little box pops up when you click video on the bbc website and the video
> > plays in it. It just works.
> >
> 
> At the risk of taking this Off-Topic, how do you tell firefox which
> plugin to use? Mine has defaulted to using the totem plugin, which I
> find less than useless most of the time. At the moment I use the
> 'Download Embedded' Firefox plugin to save the files locally (not
> tried this with BBC content)
> 

Very easily. I removed the totem-mozilla plugin, and installed 
mozilla-mplayer. Job done.

Cheers,
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Release Parties

[Dean Sas]

Ciaran Mooney wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Are there any plans for release parties around the UK on Friday or  Sat?
> 

Only in London as far as I know, see the below message.

> 
>  Original Message 
> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 11:59:21 +0100
> From: Jane Silber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: [ubuntu-uk] celebrating Fiesty
> 
> 
> Hi folks -
> 
> For those of you in the London area, you might want to stop by the
> upcoming mini-bar event on 20 April to help celebrate the release of
> Ubuntu 7.04.   
> 
> Canonical is sponsoring the event, and Mark Shuttleworth will be
> speaking. Other Ubuntu folks (including Matt Zimmerman, me, others from
> London) will also be there.
> 
> You can find out more at
> http://www.openbusiness.cc/2007/04/11/minibar-20th-of-april/ and if you
> please to attend, please RSVP at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> Jane



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Firefox and BBC video clips

[alan c]

Stephen Garton wrote:
> On 17/04/07, Alan Pope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [Snip]
>> I watch BBC programmes using
>> mplayer mozilla plugin. It works in much the same way as realplayer - the
>> little box pops up when you click video on the bbc website and the video
>> plays in it. It just works.
>>
> 
> At the risk of taking this Off-Topic, how do you tell firefox which
> plugin to use? Mine has defaulted to using the totem plugin, which I
> find less than useless most of the time. At the moment I use the
> 'Download Embedded' Firefox plugin to save the files locally (not
> tried this with BBC content)

There is a directory which contains mozilla (firefox) plugins, not 
sure which it is just now. The package manager install/uninstall 
process will populate that specific directory I think.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] The Latest Wireless

[TheVeech]

On Tue, 2007-04-17 at 11:41 +0100, Chris Wright wrote:
> > I'm just starting to appreciate this.  It's ten times better than
> being
> > stuck indoors, plus I won't suffer from geek pastiness for much
> longer!
> 
> I work from home, so getting with the recent sun and warmth, working 
> outside in the middle of the coutryside has it's benefits.
> (Apart from last week when the farmer went round and dumped several 
> hundred tons of manure in the field 4ft from my back fence).

I had to stay up all night on Sat-Sun.  During Sunday, outside, I felt
pretty normal; indoors, I started falling asleep and losing
concentration.  I'm sure there's a lesson there somewhere!

As for your farmer, I noticed there was a great atmosphere with the
weather at first then, for some reason, people started getting stroppy
and irate, with road rage and car crashes happening all over the place.
We're never happy, us lot!  I did expect to find that mood repeated in
forums, but didn't.


> >> I could do voip and video conf at least 100ft away from the router
> with 
> >> the new aerial.
> > 
> > I bought one, but I must have just got a dud.
> 
> Netgear have had a problem with dud's according to a few posts I've
> read 
> on their forums.

I thought this was down to the new aerial, rather than the router, but
I've also had to send someone's Netgear router back recently.  Even so,
I just prefer their kit to their competitors', as you next comments
support.


> >> The new 'N' apart from having the new as yet unreleased standard
> (or 
> >> non-ratified), also has an internal antennae. (In fact it has 2 or
> 3 
> >> internal antennas).  With these, I don't use the external (and
> can't 
> >> because there is no connection).
> >> Wireless range has improved with the "N" despite the lack of
> external 
> >> antennae
> > 
> > Is improved range with an 'N' card in your laptop too, or just using
> > 'b'/'g'?
> > 
> > 
> 
> It's with the b/g.  Actually, despite buying the damn 'N' version, I 
> don't have any cards that actually support it.

That's excellent news.  I've redirected my router's aerial to face the
garden, but I'm still getting a signal throughout the house.  I'd just
be nice to have a stronger signal and go even further away from the
aerial, so a new router's definitely on my wish list.


> As a side note on the range, my neighbour has been having problems
> with 
> his current DLink dropping his sons XBox connection all the time, but
> he 
> could see my Netgear, so I added him and now he connects via me. Must
> be 
> at least 4 walls and 100ft plus.  Don't know what the quality of his 
> connection is like, but it's rock solid. (His son doesn't play online 
> gaming, just uses it for mail and stuff occasionally).

100ft + !?!

That sorts out the connection issues.  I've just got a new power reel
and am getting some outside points sorted out, so that'll be the power
done.  Then the issues will be how to improve the screen image in very
bright conditions and how to protect against the possibility of my
neighbours getting carried away with their hosepipes!

Tough life!


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Firefox and BBC video clips

[Stephen Garton]

On 17/04/07, Alan Pope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[Snip]
> I watch BBC programmes using
> mplayer mozilla plugin. It works in much the same way as realplayer - the
> little box pops up when you click video on the bbc website and the video
> plays in it. It just works.
>

At the risk of taking this Off-Topic, how do you tell firefox which
plugin to use? Mine has defaulted to using the totem plugin, which I
find less than useless most of the time. At the moment I use the
'Download Embedded' Firefox plugin to save the files locally (not
tried this with BBC content)

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Firefox and BBC video clips

[James Tait]

Stephen Garton wrote:
> IIRC, uninstalling totem-mozilla removes ubuntu-desktop, which I
> always understood to be a bad thing when doing things like (for
> example right now) testing Feisty, as ubuntu-desktop will pull in new
> stuff etc etc.

It seems, in Feisty at least, that totem-mozilla is required by gnome,
but not ubuntu-desktop, which only recommends totem-mozilla.  One can
uninstall gnome, which will auto-deselect its dependencies, then
manually select all those dependencies except for totem-mozilla.

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[ubuntu-uk] proposed Bracknell activity

[alan c]

I would like to complement my regular bracknell computer fair 
'Infopoint' activity with a bracknell town centre event some time this 
year - maybe a simple leaflet handout, maybe something more 
spectacular (?)

The 'Infopoint' table is geared for FOSS - Freedom Software, and 
related information. The Linux element is substantially Ubuntu/Kubuntu.

A town centre event (handout?) could be 'In-Your-Face-Ubuntu/Kubuntu' 
or something more mild such as a low profile handout of information 
leaflets.

If Single handed - this gives the wrong message. It just looks 
pathetic, one person on a street corner offering information.
Mob-handed - great! Good eye catching stuff. All in Ubuntu T shirts or 
something. Maybe offer CDs if people smile at you.

The date/s are open. I can be in bracknell most times, parking is not 
bad either.
Who is receptive to such an idea -and- is likely to be able to 
participate in what would be a fun day?

(Anyone got a person-sized TUX suit?)(on stilts?)

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Firefox and BBC video clips

[Stephen Garton]

On 17/04/07, Alan Pope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 17, 2007 at 02:02:27PM +0100, Stephen Garton wrote:
> > On 17/04/07, Alan Pope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > [Snip]
> > > I watch BBC programmes using
> > > mplayer mozilla plugin. It works in much the same way as realplayer - the
> > > little box pops up when you click video on the bbc website and the video
> > > plays in it. It just works.
> > >
> >
> > At the risk of taking this Off-Topic, how do you tell firefox which
> > plugin to use? Mine has defaulted to using the totem plugin, which I
> > find less than useless most of the time. At the moment I use the
> > 'Download Embedded' Firefox plugin to save the files locally (not
> > tried this with BBC content)
> >
>
> Very easily. I removed the totem-mozilla plugin, and installed
> mozilla-mplayer. Job done.
>
> Cheers,
> Al.
>

Ah. Is there no way to set a 'default'?

IIRC, uninstalling totem-mozilla removes ubuntu-desktop, which I
always understood to be a bad thing when doing things like (for
example right now) testing Feisty, as ubuntu-desktop will pull in new
stuff etc etc.

As usual, feel free to correct me/prove me wrong :)
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[ubuntu-uk] FW: The Latest Wireless

[Ian Pascoe]

Don't know how effective it would be but doing a bit of a Blue Peter job


Paste some tin foil onto a bit of card with shiny side out, bend card into
shape of a parabola ensuring that antenna is surrounded except for opening
towards garden and hey!  boosted signal in one direction, but enough still
leaks through the foil to give you some signal indoors.

If that doesn't work, you've got yourself an interesting talking point when
people come around!

Ian

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Sent: 17 April 2007 14:48
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On Tue, 2007-04-17 at 11:41 +0100, Chris Wright wrote:
> > I'm just starting to appreciate this.  It's ten times better than
> being
> > stuck indoors, plus I won't suffer from geek pastiness for much
> longer!
>
> I work from home, so getting with the recent sun and warmth, working
> outside in the middle of the coutryside has it's benefits.
> (Apart from last week when the farmer went round and dumped several
> hundred tons of manure in the field 4ft from my back fence).

I had to stay up all night on Sat-Sun.  During Sunday, outside, I felt
pretty normal; indoors, I started falling asleep and losing
concentration.  I'm sure there's a lesson there somewhere!

As for your farmer, I noticed there was a great atmosphere with the
weather at first then, for some reason, people started getting stroppy
and irate, with road rage and car crashes happening all over the place.
We're never happy, us lot!  I did expect to find that mood repeated in
forums, but didn't.


> >> I could do voip and video conf at least 100ft away from the router
> with
> >> the new aerial.
> >
> > I bought one, but I must have just got a dud.
>
> Netgear have had a problem with dud's according to a few posts I've
> read
> on their forums.

I thought this was down to the new aerial, rather than the router, but
I've also had to send someone's Netgear router back recently.  Even so,
I just prefer their kit to their competitors', as you next comments
support.


> >> The new 'N' apart from having the new as yet unreleased standard
> (or
> >> non-ratified), also has an internal antennae. (In fact it has 2 or
> 3
> >> internal antennas).  With these, I don't use the external (and
> can't
> >> because there is no connection).
> >> Wireless range has improved with the "N" despite the lack of
> external
> >> antennae
> >
> > Is improved range with an 'N' card in your laptop too, or just using
> > 'b'/'g'?
> >
> >
>
> It's with the b/g.  Actually, despite buying the damn 'N' version, I
> don't have any cards that actually support it.

That's excellent news.  I've redirected my router's aerial to face the
garden, but I'm still getting a signal throughout the house.  I'd just
be nice to have a stronger signal and go even further away from the
aerial, so a new router's definitely on my wish list.


> As a side note on the range, my neighbour has been having problems
> with
> his current DLink dropping his sons XBox connection all the time, but
> he
> could see my Netgear, so I added him and now he connects via me. Must
> be
> at least 4 walls and 100ft plus.  Don't know what the quality of his
> connection is like, but it's rock solid. (His son doesn't play online
> gaming, just uses it for mail and stuff occasionally).

100ft + !?!

That sorts out the connection issues.  I've just got a new power reel
and am getting some outside points sorted out, so that'll be the power
done.  Then the issues will be how to improve the screen image in very
bright conditions and how to protect against the possibility of my
neighbours getting carried away with their hosepipes!

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[ubuntu-uk] upgrade to Fiesty

[baz]

I want to upgrade to Fiesty, I don't want to do a clean install because
I've installed a fair bit of stuff and I don't want to go through that
again.

So, what's the best way to upgrade? I'm running Edgy at the mo.

Baz


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] upgrade to Fiesty

[Kris Marsh]

On 4/17/07, baz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So, what's the best way to upgrade? I'm running Edgy at the mo.
>
> Baz

Hi Baz,

Here is the method I used, around a month ago. I'm sure the upgrade
will be fine for you, but the usual disclaimers apply. There's always
that remote possibility that your box doesn't boot back up after
upgrading.


- From Gnome, press +
- Type the following into the run box:
  gksudo 'update-manager -c -d'
- Click "Upgrade" in the top right corner of the Update Manager.
- Wait a minute or so for it to do some magic.
- Click "Upgrade".
- Go grab a hot beverage, for me it was a 800MB download, and then
another 30 mins or so upgrade.



Now before you do this (and I hope you've read to the bottom of the
email before starting ;-)), there is another option. Use the command
line:

dpkg --get-selections > savedprograms

Save this 'savedprograms' file safe - maybe email it to yourself.

On your new install, you can run:

sudo dpkg --set-selections < savedprograms
sudo apt-get dselect-upgrade


This will install all of your previous programs. If you have your home
directory on it's own partition, and can preserve it, then you're left
with a system that is very close to you had previously.



Hope this helps.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] upgrade to Fiesty

[Alan Pope]

On Tue, 2007-04-17 at 19:10 +0100, baz wrote:
> I want to upgrade to Fiesty, I don't want to do a clean install because
> I've installed a fair bit of stuff and I don't want to go through that
> again.
> 
> So, what's the best way to upgrade? I'm running Edgy at the mo.

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FeistyUpgrades


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] upgrade to Fiesty

[Robin Stent]

B-3 wrote:
> 
> I want to upgrade to Fiesty, I don't want to do a clean install because
> I've installed a fair bit of stuff and I don't want to go through that
> again.
> 
> So, what's the best way to upgrade? I'm running Edgy at the mo.
> 
> Baz
> 

I would expect it to be the same as the Dapper > Edgy upgrade described
here:
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades

(gksu "update-manager -c" )

I upgraded to Edgy using this method wthout problems, however the total
amount the upgrade downloaded was around 1GB

Hope this helps

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] upgrade to Fiesty

[ted]

Kris Marsh wrote:
> On 4/17/07, baz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> So, what's the best way to upgrade? I'm running Edgy at the mo.
>>
>> Baz
>> 
>
> Hi Baz,
>
> Here is the method I used, around a month ago. I'm sure the upgrade
> will be fine for you, but the usual disclaimers apply. There's always
> that remote possibility that your box doesn't boot back up after
> upgrading.
>
>
> - From Gnome, press +
> - Type the following into the run box:
>   gksudo 'update-manager -c -d'
> - Click "Upgrade" in the top right corner of the Update Manager.
> - Wait a minute or so for it to do some magic.
> - Click "Upgrade".
> - Go grab a hot beverage, for me it was a 800MB download, and then
> another 30 mins or so upgrade.
>
>
>
> Do you have to edit the sources.list to point to the new release ?
>   


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] upgrade to Fiesty

[Chris Rowson]

> (gksu "update-manager -c" )

Hey.

Can anyone point we towards any documentation for the switches used
after update-manager ? -c -d  etc

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] upgrade to Fiesty

[Eamonn Sullivan]

On 4/17/07, Chris Rowson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > (gksu "update-manager -c" )
>
> Hey.
>
> Can anyone point we towards any documentation for the switches used
> after update-manager ? -c -d  etc

I got this by typing update-manager --help in a terminal:

Usage: update-manager [options]

Options:
  -h, --helpshow this help message and exit
  -c, --check-dist-upgrades
Check if a new distribution release is available
  -d, --devel-release   Check if upgrading to the latest devel release is
possible
  -p, --proposedTry to run a dist-upgrade
  --dist-upgrade, --dist-ugprade
Try to run a dist-upgrade

-Eamonn

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] upgrade to Fiesty

[Eamonn Sullivan]

On 4/17/07, ted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > - From Gnome, press +
> > - Type the following into the run box:
> >   gksudo 'update-manager -c -d'
[snip]
> Do you have to edit the sources.list to point to the new release ?

No. update-manager does that for you automatically.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] upgrade to Fiesty

[Chris Rowson]

> I got this by typing update-manager --help in a terminal:
>
> Usage: update-manager [options]

Thanks Eamonn - I guess I should have thought of that :-P !!

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] upgrade to Fiesty

[TheVeech]

Stating the obvious, I know, but just a word of warning: I've had
updates to a new release fail miserably, so be sure to back up your data
beforehand in case the short cut turns out to be anything but.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] upgrade to Fiesty

[baz]

On Tue, 2007-04-17 at 19:40 +0100, Kris Marsh wrote:
> On 4/17/07, baz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > So, what's the best way to upgrade? I'm running Edgy at the mo.
> >
> > Baz
> 
> Hi Baz,
> 
> Here is the method I used, around a month ago. I'm sure the upgrade
> will be fine for you, but the usual disclaimers apply. There's always
> that remote possibility that your box doesn't boot back up after
> upgrading.
> 
> 
> - From Gnome, press +
> - Type the following into the run box:
>   gksudo 'update-manager -c -d'
> - Click "Upgrade" in the top right corner of the Update Manager.
> - Wait a minute or so for it to do some magic.
> - Click "Upgrade".

> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> Kris
> 

Thanks that seemed to go ok, only lost Nvu, which I've now installed
from their site.

Baz
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