Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Tablets

[Gran PC]

I'm pretty sure it's just a list for the OS in general and not specific
devices.

On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 3:07 PM Tom Moulton  wrote:

> Does this list also include tablets?
>
> I am in the US and there are no phones here yet.
>
> I am using a Nexus 7 (flo)
>
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] BQ E5 - Boot up on external power ?

[Gran PC]

I've seen Android ROMs that booted when connected to power, not by design
but because they omitted the charger code stuff. (This was on a relatively
old Sony phone.)

I'm not 100% sure but I think you might be able to rebuild the kernel
changing this to "no":
https://github.com/bq/aquaris-E5/blob/aquaris-E5-ubuntu-master/mediatek/config/vegetahd/ProjectConfig.mk#L886

On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 3:20 PM Oliver Grawert  wrote:

> hi,
> Am Mittwoch, den 19.08.2015, 09:13 -0400 schrieb Pascal Gosselin:
> > Unlike the Openmoko GTA02 "Freerunner", the BQ E5 Ubuntu Edition doesn't
> > boot up based on the presence of external power, it charges instead
> > This is a killer feature required for our usage (imagine a dedicated
> > Dashcam on steroids).
> >
> > Could the bootloader be customized to do this, and if so, how ?
> >
> i haven't seen a single android based device that was capable to do
> this, usually the bootloader intercepts the boot (and usually the
> bootloader source isn't available). i could imagine that it has to do
> with law regulations for approved phone devices (like you are forced to
> make emergency calling possible even if you dont have a SIM in the
> phone, to match country regulations)
>
> ciao
> oli
>
>
>
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Overheating

[Gran PC]

If you want to mark your filesystem as r/w you just have to run this
command as root:

mount -o remount,rw /

On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 1:16 PM Eric Holmi  wrote:

> I could try doing some of those things myself, but I don't know the
> command to make the current stable version on the Nexus for read/write. The
> one on the developer install page doesn't work. Also, I noticed that 3G is
> a little bit slower than Wi-Fi, and drains battery, but doesn't get as hot
>
> On Thursday, August 20, 2015, Daniel van Vugt <
> daniel.van.v...@canonical.com> wrote:
>
>> Two things we need for efficient video playback:
>>   1. Hardware codec support; and
>>   2. Hardware overlay bypass of simple surfaces.
>>
>> Don't know the status of #1 but I've heard it was coming, if not landed
>> already.
>>
>> #2 is in progress with the Mir team right now (part of the "nested
>> bypass" effort). Don't expect it finished till Mir 0.16 or Mir 0.17, or
>> later.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 20/08/15 04:51, Eric Holmi wrote:
>>
>>> guys, my Nexus 4 (most recent stable version) gave me a burn that almost
>>> blistered after 15 minutes of YouTube (wifi), and went from 29% battery
>>> to 2% in that time. I think that needs to be fixed.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Overheating

[Gran PC]

You can either reboot to set it to read only or just write "mount -o
remount,ro /".

I don't think you're going to brick your device by doing this, at most
you'll have to reinstall your system.

On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 1:25 PM Eric Holmi  wrote:

> Thanks. Also, how do you send it back to read only?
>
> I want to know its stable, as I don't have the money to replace it
>
>
> On Thursday, August 20, 2015, Gran PC  wrote:
>
>> If you want to mark your filesystem as r/w you just have to run this
>> command as root:
>>
>> mount -o remount,rw /
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 1:16 PM Eric Holmi  wrote:
>>
>>> I could try doing some of those things myself, but I don't know the
>>> command to make the current stable version on the Nexus for read/write. The
>>> one on the developer install page doesn't work. Also, I noticed that 3G is
>>> a little bit slower than Wi-Fi, and drains battery, but doesn't get as hot
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 20, 2015, Daniel van Vugt <
>>> daniel.van.v...@canonical.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Two things we need for efficient video playback:
>>>>   1. Hardware codec support; and
>>>>   2. Hardware overlay bypass of simple surfaces.
>>>>
>>>> Don't know the status of #1 but I've heard it was coming, if not landed
>>>> already.
>>>>
>>>> #2 is in progress with the Mir team right now (part of the "nested
>>>> bypass" effort). Don't expect it finished till Mir 0.16 or Mir 0.17, or
>>>> later.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 20/08/15 04:51, Eric Holmi wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> guys, my Nexus 4 (most recent stable version) gave me a burn that
>>>>> almost
>>>>> blistered after 15 minutes of YouTube (wifi), and went from 29% battery
>>>>> to 2% in that time. I think that needs to be fixed.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Overheating

[Gran PC]

You won't lose data by making it read/write, but obviously if you do
something wrong and screw things up you'll probably lose data.

On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 1:27 PM Eric Holmi  wrote:

> Will I lose data?
>
> On Thursday, August 20, 2015, Eric Holmi  wrote:
>
>> Ok. Thanks
>>
>> On Thursday, August 20, 2015, Gran PC  wrote:
>>
>>> You can either reboot to set it to read only or just write "mount -o
>>> remount,ro /".
>>>
>>> I don't think you're going to brick your device by doing this, at most
>>> you'll have to reinstall your system.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 1:25 PM Eric Holmi  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks. Also, how do you send it back to read only?
>>>>
>>>> I want to know its stable, as I don't have the money to replace it
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, August 20, 2015, Gran PC  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If you want to mark your filesystem as r/w you just have to run this
>>>>> command as root:
>>>>>
>>>>> mount -o remount,rw /
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 1:16 PM Eric Holmi  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I could try doing some of those things myself, but I don't know the
>>>>>> command to make the current stable version on the Nexus for read/write. 
>>>>>> The
>>>>>> one on the developer install page doesn't work. Also, I noticed that 3G 
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> a little bit slower than Wi-Fi, and drains battery, but doesn't get as 
>>>>>> hot
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday, August 20, 2015, Daniel van Vugt <
>>>>>> daniel.van.v...@canonical.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Two things we need for efficient video playback:
>>>>>>>   1. Hardware codec support; and
>>>>>>>   2. Hardware overlay bypass of simple surfaces.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don't know the status of #1 but I've heard it was coming, if not
>>>>>>> landed already.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> #2 is in progress with the Mir team right now (part of the "nested
>>>>>>> bypass" effort). Don't expect it finished till Mir 0.16 or Mir 0.17, or
>>>>>>> later.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 20/08/15 04:51, Eric Holmi wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> guys, my Nexus 4 (most recent stable version) gave me a burn that
>>>>>>>> almost
>>>>>>>> blistered after 15 minutes of YouTube (wifi), and went from 29%
>>>>>>>> battery
>>>>>>>> to 2% in that time. I think that needs to be fixed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Overheating

[Gran PC]

No, it won't, so make sure you don't upgrade, or save your changes
elsewhere before you do.

Also, if you skip an OTA and install the next one, it will do a fresh
install of your system, because there won't be any delta patch available so
it'll download the entire system image.

On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 1:30 PM Eric Holmi  wrote:

> Ok. Thanks. I'll start working. And that will disable OTA updates, right?
>
> On Thursday, August 20, 2015, Gran PC  wrote:
>
>> You won't lose data by making it read/write, but obviously if you do
>> something wrong and screw things up you'll probably lose data.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 1:27 PM Eric Holmi  wrote:
>>
>>> Will I lose data?
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 20, 2015, Eric Holmi  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ok. Thanks
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, August 20, 2015, Gran PC  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You can either reboot to set it to read only or just write "mount -o
>>>>> remount,ro /".
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't think you're going to brick your device by doing this, at most
>>>>> you'll have to reinstall your system.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 1:25 PM Eric Holmi  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks. Also, how do you send it back to read only?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I want to know its stable, as I don't have the money to replace it
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday, August 20, 2015, Gran PC  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you want to mark your filesystem as r/w you just have to run this
>>>>>>> command as root:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> mount -o remount,rw /
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 1:16 PM Eric Holmi 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I could try doing some of those things myself, but I don't know the
>>>>>>>> command to make the current stable version on the Nexus for 
>>>>>>>> read/write. The
>>>>>>>> one on the developer install page doesn't work. Also, I noticed that 
>>>>>>>> 3G is
>>>>>>>> a little bit slower than Wi-Fi, and drains battery, but doesn't get as 
>>>>>>>> hot
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thursday, August 20, 2015, Daniel van Vugt <
>>>>>>>> daniel.van.v...@canonical.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Two things we need for efficient video playback:
>>>>>>>>>   1. Hardware codec support; and
>>>>>>>>>   2. Hardware overlay bypass of simple surfaces.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Don't know the status of #1 but I've heard it was coming, if not
>>>>>>>>> landed already.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> #2 is in progress with the Mir team right now (part of the "nested
>>>>>>>>> bypass" effort). Don't expect it finished till Mir 0.16 or Mir 0.17, 
>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>> later.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 20/08/15 04:51, Eric Holmi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> guys, my Nexus 4 (most recent stable version) gave me a burn that
>>>>>>>>>> almost
>>>>>>>>>> blistered after 15 minutes of YouTube (wifi), and went from 29%
>>>>>>>>>> battery
>>>>>>>>>> to 2% in that time. I think that needs to be fixed.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Overheating

[Gran PC]

Yeah it's pretty similar. The differences are that it's an ARM system
instead of x86 and the way hardware access works (via an Android
container). Also obviously it doesn't use X.org/compiz and instead it uses
Mir. Other than that it's pretty much the same.

On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 1:47 PM Eric Holmi  wrote:

> Ok. I like your profile image. Once in read/write, everything is the same
> as the desktop, right? What are the most prominent differences?
>
> On Thursday, August 20, 2015, Gran PC  wrote:
>
>> It does on the Nexus 7 2013 (flo), but you may want to try it on your
>> specific device before doing anything.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 1:44 PM Eric Holmi  wrote:
>>
>>> Cool. Does recovery mode present an ADB interface for repair?
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 20, 2015, Gran PC  wrote:
>>>
>>>> System updates doesn't work on a per-package basis, they just change
>>>> the filesystem directly. I'd just skip updates while developing if I were
>>>> you.
>>>>
>>>> The worst thing that can happen (probably) is that you'll need to
>>>> reinstall Ubuntu on your phone, I don't think there's any chance it'll
>>>> break your phone.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 1:40 PM Eric Holmi  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> And if I work to install .Deb packages in the terminal, will those be
>>>>> separate packages and therefor untouched? I don't have much money in case
>>>>> this breaks my phone, so I have to look into everything before I do
>>>>> something
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, August 20, 2015, Gran PC  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> No, updates are installed from recovery.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your changes *might* be preserved if you're lucky and the update
>>>>>> doesn't touch any files you've changed either. Don't count on it.
>>>>>> Luck-driven software development doesn't end well :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 1:35 PM Eric Holmi 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And if I send it back into read-only before I do the update, my
>>>>>>> changes should be preserved, right?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thursday, August 20, 2015, Gran PC  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No, it won't, so make sure you don't upgrade, or save your changes
>>>>>>>> elsewhere before you do.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also, if you skip an OTA and install the next one, it will do a
>>>>>>>> fresh install of your system, because there won't be any delta patch
>>>>>>>> available so it'll download the entire system image.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 1:30 PM Eric Holmi 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ok. Thanks. I'll start working. And that will disable OTA updates,
>>>>>>>>> right?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, August 20, 2015, Gran PC  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You won't lose data by making it read/write, but obviously if you
>>>>>>>>>> do something wrong and screw things up you'll probably lose data.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 1:27 PM Eric Holmi 
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Will I lose data?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, August 20, 2015, Eric Holmi 
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok. Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, August 20, 2015, Gran PC 
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can either reboot to set it to read only or just write
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "mount -o remount,ro /".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Overheating

[Gran PC]

It does on the Nexus 7 2013 (flo), but you may want to try it on your
specific device before doing anything.

On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 1:44 PM Eric Holmi  wrote:

> Cool. Does recovery mode present an ADB interface for repair?
>
> On Thursday, August 20, 2015, Gran PC  wrote:
>
>> System updates doesn't work on a per-package basis, they just change the
>> filesystem directly. I'd just skip updates while developing if I were you.
>>
>> The worst thing that can happen (probably) is that you'll need to
>> reinstall Ubuntu on your phone, I don't think there's any chance it'll
>> break your phone.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 1:40 PM Eric Holmi  wrote:
>>
>>> And if I work to install .Deb packages in the terminal, will those be
>>> separate packages and therefor untouched? I don't have much money in case
>>> this breaks my phone, so I have to look into everything before I do
>>> something
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 20, 2015, Gran PC  wrote:
>>>
>>>> No, updates are installed from recovery.
>>>>
>>>> Your changes *might* be preserved if you're lucky and the update
>>>> doesn't touch any files you've changed either. Don't count on it.
>>>> Luck-driven software development doesn't end well :)
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 1:35 PM Eric Holmi  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> And if I send it back into read-only before I do the update, my
>>>>> changes should be preserved, right?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, August 20, 2015, Gran PC  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> No, it won't, so make sure you don't upgrade, or save your changes
>>>>>> elsewhere before you do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, if you skip an OTA and install the next one, it will do a fresh
>>>>>> install of your system, because there won't be any delta patch available 
>>>>>> so
>>>>>> it'll download the entire system image.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 1:30 PM Eric Holmi 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ok. Thanks. I'll start working. And that will disable OTA updates,
>>>>>>> right?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thursday, August 20, 2015, Gran PC  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You won't lose data by making it read/write, but obviously if you
>>>>>>>> do something wrong and screw things up you'll probably lose data.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 1:27 PM Eric Holmi 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Will I lose data?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, August 20, 2015, Eric Holmi 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ok. Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, August 20, 2015, Gran PC  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You can either reboot to set it to read only or just write
>>>>>>>>>>> "mount -o remount,ro /".
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think you're going to brick your device by doing this,
>>>>>>>>>>> at most you'll have to reinstall your system.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 1:25 PM Eric Holmi 
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks. Also, how do you send it back to read only?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I want to know its stable, as I don't have the money to replace
>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, August 20, 2015, Gran PC 
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you want to mark your filesystem as r/w you just have to
>>>>>>>

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Overheating

[Gran PC]

System updates doesn't work on a per-package basis, they just change the
filesystem directly. I'd just skip updates while developing if I were you.

The worst thing that can happen (probably) is that you'll need to reinstall
Ubuntu on your phone, I don't think there's any chance it'll break your
phone.

On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 1:40 PM Eric Holmi  wrote:

> And if I work to install .Deb packages in the terminal, will those be
> separate packages and therefor untouched? I don't have much money in case
> this breaks my phone, so I have to look into everything before I do
> something
>
> On Thursday, August 20, 2015, Gran PC  wrote:
>
>> No, updates are installed from recovery.
>>
>> Your changes *might* be preserved if you're lucky and the update doesn't
>> touch any files you've changed either. Don't count on it. Luck-driven
>> software development doesn't end well :)
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 1:35 PM Eric Holmi  wrote:
>>
>>> And if I send it back into read-only before I do the update, my changes
>>> should be preserved, right?
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 20, 2015, Gran PC  wrote:
>>>
>>>> No, it won't, so make sure you don't upgrade, or save your changes
>>>> elsewhere before you do.
>>>>
>>>> Also, if you skip an OTA and install the next one, it will do a fresh
>>>> install of your system, because there won't be any delta patch available so
>>>> it'll download the entire system image.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 1:30 PM Eric Holmi  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ok. Thanks. I'll start working. And that will disable OTA updates,
>>>>> right?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, August 20, 2015, Gran PC  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> You won't lose data by making it read/write, but obviously if you do
>>>>>> something wrong and screw things up you'll probably lose data.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 1:27 PM Eric Holmi 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Will I lose data?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thursday, August 20, 2015, Eric Holmi  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ok. Thanks
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thursday, August 20, 2015, Gran PC  wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You can either reboot to set it to read only or just write "mount
>>>>>>>>> -o remount,ro /".
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't think you're going to brick your device by doing this, at
>>>>>>>>> most you'll have to reinstall your system.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 1:25 PM Eric Holmi 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks. Also, how do you send it back to read only?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I want to know its stable, as I don't have the money to replace it
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, August 20, 2015, Gran PC  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If you want to mark your filesystem as r/w you just have to run
>>>>>>>>>>> this command as root:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> mount -o remount,rw /
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 1:16 PM Eric Holmi 
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I could try doing some of those things myself, but I don't know
>>>>>>>>>>>> the command to make the current stable version on the Nexus for 
>>>>>>>>>>>> read/write.
>>>>>>>>>>>> The one on the developer install page doesn't work. Also, I 
>>>>>>>>>>>> noticed that 3G
>>>>>>>>>>>> is a little bit slower than Wi-Fi, and drains battery, but doesn't 
>>>>>>>>>>>> get as
>>>>>>>>>>>> hot
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, August 20, 2015, Daniel van Vugt <
>>>>>>>>>>>> daniel.van.v...@canonical.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Two things we need for efficient video playback:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   1. Hardware codec support; and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   2. Hardware overlay bypass of simple surfaces.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't know the status of #1 but I've heard it was coming, if
>>>>>>>>>>>>> not landed already.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> #2 is in progress with the Mir team right now (part of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "nested bypass" effort). Don't expect it finished till Mir 0.16 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> or Mir
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 0.17, or later.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 20/08/15 04:51, Eric Holmi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guys, my Nexus 4 (most recent stable version) gave me a burn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that almost
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blistered after 15 minutes of YouTube (wifi), and went from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 29% battery
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to 2% in that time. I think that needs to be fixed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>>>>>>> Post to : ubuntu-phone@lists.launchpad.net
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>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Overheating

[Gran PC]

No, updates are installed from recovery.

Your changes *might* be preserved if you're lucky and the update doesn't
touch any files you've changed either. Don't count on it. Luck-driven
software development doesn't end well :)

On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 1:35 PM Eric Holmi  wrote:

> And if I send it back into read-only before I do the update, my changes
> should be preserved, right?
>
> On Thursday, August 20, 2015, Gran PC  wrote:
>
>> No, it won't, so make sure you don't upgrade, or save your changes
>> elsewhere before you do.
>>
>> Also, if you skip an OTA and install the next one, it will do a fresh
>> install of your system, because there won't be any delta patch available so
>> it'll download the entire system image.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 1:30 PM Eric Holmi  wrote:
>>
>>> Ok. Thanks. I'll start working. And that will disable OTA updates, right?
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 20, 2015, Gran PC  wrote:
>>>
>>>> You won't lose data by making it read/write, but obviously if you do
>>>> something wrong and screw things up you'll probably lose data.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 1:27 PM Eric Holmi  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Will I lose data?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, August 20, 2015, Eric Holmi  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ok. Thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday, August 20, 2015, Gran PC  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You can either reboot to set it to read only or just write "mount -o
>>>>>>> remount,ro /".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't think you're going to brick your device by doing this, at
>>>>>>> most you'll have to reinstall your system.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 1:25 PM Eric Holmi 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks. Also, how do you send it back to read only?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I want to know its stable, as I don't have the money to replace it
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thursday, August 20, 2015, Gran PC  wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you want to mark your filesystem as r/w you just have to run
>>>>>>>>> this command as root:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> mount -o remount,rw /
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 1:16 PM Eric Holmi 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I could try doing some of those things myself, but I don't know
>>>>>>>>>> the command to make the current stable version on the Nexus for 
>>>>>>>>>> read/write.
>>>>>>>>>> The one on the developer install page doesn't work. Also, I noticed 
>>>>>>>>>> that 3G
>>>>>>>>>> is a little bit slower than Wi-Fi, and drains battery, but doesn't 
>>>>>>>>>> get as
>>>>>>>>>> hot
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, August 20, 2015, Daniel van Vugt <
>>>>>>>>>> daniel.van.v...@canonical.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Two things we need for efficient video playback:
>>>>>>>>>>>   1. Hardware codec support; and
>>>>>>>>>>>   2. Hardware overlay bypass of simple surfaces.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Don't know the status of #1 but I've heard it was coming, if not
>>>>>>>>>>> landed already.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> #2 is in progress with the Mir team right now (part of the
>>>>>>>>>>> "nested bypass" effort). Don't expect it finished till Mir 0.16 or 
>>>>>>>>>>> Mir
>>>>>>>>>>> 0.17, or later.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 20/08/15 04:51, Eric Holmi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> guys, my Nexus 4 (most recent stable version) gave me a burn
>>>>>>>>>>>> that almost
>>>>>>>>>>>> blistered after 15 minutes of YouTube (wifi), and went from 29%
>>>>>>>>>>>> battery
>>>>>>>>>>>> to 2% in that time. I think that needs to be fixed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Overheating

[Gran PC]

No clue, sorry. I only know it uses the Android drivers so they're probably
somewhere in the small Android system image, or they might be part of the
kernel. Not sure how that works!

On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 1:53 PM Eric Holmi  wrote:

> Alright. Do you know what wifi driver is used, and if it supports packet
> injection? I hope this will be my last question and I'll stop bugging you,
> but that is something I need. Also, where is the driver located, what is
> the requirement for a different driver, and is it proprietary?
>
> On Thursday, August 20, 2015, Gran PC  wrote:
>
>> Yeah it's pretty similar. The differences are that it's an ARM system
>> instead of x86 and the way hardware access works (via an Android
>> container). Also obviously it doesn't use X.org/compiz and instead it uses
>> Mir. Other than that it's pretty much the same.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 1:47 PM Eric Holmi  wrote:
>>
>>> Ok. I like your profile image. Once in read/write, everything is the
>>> same as the desktop, right? What are the most prominent differences?
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 20, 2015, Gran PC  wrote:
>>>
>>>> It does on the Nexus 7 2013 (flo), but you may want to try it on your
>>>> specific device before doing anything.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 1:44 PM Eric Holmi  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Cool. Does recovery mode present an ADB interface for repair?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, August 20, 2015, Gran PC  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> System updates doesn't work on a per-package basis, they just change
>>>>>> the filesystem directly. I'd just skip updates while developing if I were
>>>>>> you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The worst thing that can happen (probably) is that you'll need to
>>>>>> reinstall Ubuntu on your phone, I don't think there's any chance it'll
>>>>>> break your phone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 1:40 PM Eric Holmi 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And if I work to install .Deb packages in the terminal, will those
>>>>>>> be separate packages and therefor untouched? I don't have much money in
>>>>>>> case this breaks my phone, so I have to look into everything before I do
>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thursday, August 20, 2015, Gran PC  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No, updates are installed from recovery.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Your changes *might* be preserved if you're lucky and the update
>>>>>>>> doesn't touch any files you've changed either. Don't count on it.
>>>>>>>> Luck-driven software development doesn't end well :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 1:35 PM Eric Holmi 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And if I send it back into read-only before I do the update, my
>>>>>>>>> changes should be preserved, right?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, August 20, 2015, Gran PC  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No, it won't, so make sure you don't upgrade, or save your
>>>>>>>>>> changes elsewhere before you do.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Also, if you skip an OTA and install the next one, it will do a
>>>>>>>>>> fresh install of your system, because there won't be any delta patch
>>>>>>>>>> available so it'll download the entire system image.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 1:30 PM Eric Holmi 
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ok. Thanks. I'll start working. And that will disable OTA
>>>>>>>>>>> updates, right?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, August 20, 2015, Gran PC  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You won't lose data by making it read/write, but obviously if
>>>>>

Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Preparing for larger images

[Gran PC]

The OTA updates are deltas unless you skip one, in which case it downloads
the entire filesystem.

On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 1:17 PM Thomas A. Moulton  wrote:

> From watching the various updates my Tablet (flo) has received, aren't
> the OTA updates deltas? If so, then would it be expected to have >500MB
> of changes between updates often? In the most recent update I think I
> saw about 148MB downloaded.
>
> Could this be a temporary problem, because aren't  we going to migrate
> to a Snappy based system at some point? Then with the System-ab
> partitions some of the rules may change, such as writing updates to
> System-B while we're running in A, not requiring a single download to
> have everything.
>
> TOTAL Speculation on my part...
>
> I am also not sure of the sequence of events of Snappy and Convegence.
>
> Tom
>
> On 08/27/2015 06:14 AM, John McAleely wrote:
> > As we begin to prepare for new features associated with converged
> > devices, it seems likely that some image configurations will be *much*
> > larger than our current phone images on system-image.ubuntu.com
> > 
> >
> > As an example, I've been anecdotally informed that if an OEM wanted to
> > bundle libreoffice (a likely scenario) that may add around 500M to the
> > image size.
> >
> > Currently, we download images three ways:
> >
> >  - Via system updates to the phone, where the download is pulled to the
> > cache partition
> >  - Via a host desktop and then via ubuntu-device-flash to the phone.
> > Again, this writes the (compressed) images to the cache partition as a
> > staging step
> >  - Via various factory flashing tools, which simply write whole
> > partitions as-is (similar to how dd might work)
> >
> > Typically, the cache partition on android devices seems to be in the
> > range 500-700M, and it it certain that some desirable converged device
> > configurations will have images that (in compressed form) are much
> > larger than this. The first two flashing methods will clearly break.
> >
> > A simple solution to this problem is to increase the size of the cache
> > partition on devices where large applications might be installed. Fine
> > for those devices where we control the partition table, but impossible
> > on those devices where we co-exist with android and don't change that
> table.
> >
> > Those devices where the partition table can't be modified includes Mako,
> > Flo, etc.
> >
> > For those devices, we clearly need to make changes to how images can be
> > downloaded, if we wish to support these devices for convergence images.
> >
> > One choice would simply be to reserve a sufficiently large amount of
> > space in the userdata area of the android partition table, and ask our
> > image flashing tools to use that. We would then ignore the cache
> > partition entirely for the flashing process on these phones.
> >
> > Is it just the download/updater (including recovery) that is impacted,
> > or are other actors involved in preparing system updates?
> >
> > J
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] App working in background

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media-hub wouldn't work for Spotify because that'd require them to put a
non-encrypted version of the music somewhere on the disk. There's a
third-party Spotify app on the store right now called CuteSpotify which
demonstrates the issue nicely.

On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 7:55 PM Rodney Dawes 
wrote:

> Background processing is not readily available yet, no. There are
> numerous discussions on how to allow background processing, bluetooth
> access, etc…
>
> For Spotify/Pandora/etc… they could use the media-hub interface, to get
> continuous playback of music streams in the background, currently.
>
>
> On Sun, 2015-08-30 at 18:20 +0200, Krzysztof Tataradziński wrote:
> > Hello,
> > If someone clarify me one thing, I will be grateful.
> > Suppose that some big player from mobile market want to develop app
> > for Ubuntu phones. In example Spotify - they want to develop app that
> > will be able to work in background and with screen turned off (on
> > Android I've used it in that way almost all the time (when running
> > with Endomondo)).
> > Another thing - sport trackers - they also want to work with screen
> > turned off. Third one - some file cloud services like Insync, Box,
> > etc.
> > For now it's impossible, right? Are there any plans to allow working
> > apps in that way? How we can attract some big players on market when
> > that basic feature is unavailable?
> >
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Krzysztof Tataradziński
> > https://launchpad.net/~ktatar156
> >
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] If Gmail can, why other apps can't?

[Gran PC]

It looks like the Gmail webapp has a server-side counterpart to it that
receives your emails and sends them to your device using Ubuntu's normal
push notification service (which anyone can use):
https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/platform/guides/push-notifications-server-guide/

This is also in use in some other apps like Twitter; it doesn't mean the
app is running in the background constantly, it's just using polld to
receive notifications.

Cheers.

On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 11:18 PM Krzysztof Tataradziński <
ktatar...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I saw that even when I close Gmail webapp (that one default installed) I'm
> receiving notifications about new e-mails. How that is done? I mean why
> there is no possibility for now to allow other apps working in background,
> even when we close them (by swype down/up), but Gmail webapp can do that?
> Why Gmail is so special (besides of that most of us use it ;) ) to allow do
> this for it, but it's blocked/not implemented for rest of apps?
>
> Best regards,
> Krzysztof Tataradziński
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] If Gmail can, why other apps can't?

[Gran PC]

That makes a lot more sense. I didn't think Google did push notifications,
I just assumed it was a server at Canonical polling my inbox and then
sending push notifications as a temporary stopgap, like BlackBerry used to
do.

On Sat, Sep 12, 2015 at 1:44 AM Rodney Dawes 
wrote:

> No, Google doesn't provide push notifications for Ubuntu (yet anyway).
> It's being checked in accounts-polld.
>
> Push notifications and accounts-polld are quite different things.
>
>
> On Fri, 2015-09-11 at 22:35 +, Gran PC wrote:
> > It looks like the Gmail webapp has a server-side counterpart to it
> > that receives your emails and sends them to your device using Ubuntu's
> > normal push notification service (which anyone can
> > use):
> https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/platform/guides/push-notifications-server-guide/
> >
> >
> > This is also in use in some other apps like Twitter; it doesn't mean
> > the app is running in the background constantly, it's just using polld
> > to receive notifications.
> >
> >
> > Cheers.
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 11, 2015 at 11:18 PM Krzysztof Tataradziński
> >  wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I saw that even when I close Gmail webapp (that one default
> > installed) I'm receiving notifications about new e-mails. How
> > that is done? I mean why there is no possibility for now to
> > allow other apps working in background, even when we close
> > them (by swype down/up), but Gmail webapp can do that? Why
> > Gmail is so special (besides of that most of us use it ;) ) to
> > allow do this for it, but it's blocked/not implemented for
> > rest of apps?
> >
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Krzysztof Tataradziński
> > https://launchpad.net/~ktatar156
> >
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] If Gmail can, why other apps can't?

[Gran PC]

Android has official support from Google (not a big surprise), so the
notifications come straight from Google to your Android device.

On Sat, Sep 12, 2015 at 3:20 PM Thomas A. Moulton  wrote:

>
>
> On 09/12/2015 06:32 AM, John Lenton wrote:
> > actually, google does now offer push service. Somebody needs to do
> > that work (and host an intermediary server).
>
> A third party server getting my push notifications (or polling for them)
> sounds just wrong to me.
>
> How does it work in android? (afaik google could already be the
> "trusted" third party handling it for me)
>
> I trust google about as much as microsoft... but I digress...
>
> tom
> ps. top post or bottom post? which is preferred?
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] App working in background

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But third-party apps can't actually extend media-hub, right? As I
understand it, this is something that would need to be distributed with the
OS.

Cheers.

On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 5:39 PM Simon Fels  wrote:

> On 30.08.2015 20:21, Gran PC wrote:
> > media-hub wouldn't work for Spotify because that'd require them to put a
> > non-encrypted version of the music somewhere on the disk. There's a
> > third-party Spotify app on the store right now called CuteSpotify which
> > demonstrates the issue nicely.
>
> That isn't true. media-hub doesn't require you to route the audio to it.
> It abstracts things internally pretty nicely so you could extend it to
> provide a new internal engine type which allows you to write external
> engines which then get commands passed in to play/stop/next/... music.
> This can be loaded from the UI with the general playback API we have
> from the Qt side but just each song has a URL starting with spotify://
> or what ever your engine wants to play.
>
> I know several people were talking about this just someone has to start
> working on this to get it implemented. However it sounds easy but there
> are also some details to sort out like how we get the played audio to
> pulseaudio in a secure way (passing a socket)?
>
> regards,
> Simon
>
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] App working in background

[Gran PC]

That's a pretty cool approach! Has anyone started working on it?
On Sep 23, 2015 6:38 PM, "Simon Fels"  wrote:

> On 23.09.2015 17:44, Gran PC wrote:
>
>> But third-party apps can't actually extend media-hub, right? As I
>> understand it, this is something that would need to be distributed with
>> the
>> OS.
>>
>
> No. It would be just another executable your click package would ship and
> would be exposed to media-hub at runtime by .json file in a common
> directory (generated through a click-hook). This .json file then knows the
> combination of url scheme (e.g spotify://) to excutable name (below your
> app directory) and that is what media-hub needs to know - no hard
> dependency, no distribution in the core OS.
>
> This is similar to how we handle helpers for the Ubuntu Push client side
> implementation (see
> https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/platform/guides/push-notifications-client-guide/
> ).
>
> For sure, there need to be some guards set around this executable in terms
> of security (our apparmor profiles) and also resource usage.
>
> regards,
> Simon
>
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Send a note

[Gran PC]

This should probably work:
https://gurucubano.gitbooks.io/bq-aquaris-e-4-5-ubuntu-phone/content/chapter17.html

On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 12:24 AM Ed Kapitein  wrote:

> Hi, is there an app that can send a preformatted text by SMS? I would like
> to send PutTheThermostatOneDegreeHigher without typing it every time. Cut
> and paste from ”notes” is cumbersome. Any app that can share a message over
> SMS? Or is there an easy way to launch a script from the UI?
> A few buttons that launch a script would be enough.
> Kind regards,
> Ed
>
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Nexus 7 2013 Bluetooth

[Gran PC]

I'm having the same issue. It works fine if I reboot after turning it on,
though.

On Mon, Feb 8, 2016 at 3:11 AM, Sameer Verma  wrote:

> Hello!
> I have a Nexus 7 2013 with 16.04 (r 429) on it. The Bluetooth settings
> refuse to cooperate. Any ideas?
>
> Sameer
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] HERE maps

[Gran PC]

Yes, they bought HERE.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/08/03/nokia-sells-here-unit-to-german-carmaker-trio-of-bmw-audi-and-mercedes-benz-for-2-5-billion-euros/

On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 4:52 PM Matthias Apitz  wrote:

> El día Monday, August 03, 2015 a las 04:45:49PM +0200, Krzysztof
> Tataradziński escribió:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > is there any place I can get information about development of HERE maps
> on
> > Ubuntu? Is it stopped? Is there any feature plan? For now there is
> > turn-by-turn for a walk - seems to be close for a car ;)
>
> When I went in car to my home I listened in the news at 4pm CEST that
> some big German car manufactures have bought from a Finland company some
> map service with the name 'here' I do not know if I got the name
> corretcly and if so, if it is the HERE service.
>
> Any clarification?
>
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] making C written apps for the BQ (vivid)

[Gran PC]

Tried looking at the logs? (/var/log, dmesg)

On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 7:28 PM Matthias Apitz  wrote:

> El domingo, 9 de agosto de 2015 18:44:38 (CEST), Matthias Apitz escribió:
> > El domingo, 9 de agosto de 2015 16:34:07 (CEST), Niklas Wenzel escribió:
> >> Did you check the permissions? What happens if you "chmod 777" the file?
> >>
> >
> > The perms have been 0755, it does no help, set 0777;
> >
> > I put a copy to http://www.unixarea.de/myCapp
> >
>
> the same happens, when I compile some hello.c inside the jail and run it
> from outside;
>
> this must be some file system restriction;
>
> matthias
>
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Re: [Ubuntu-phone] Development

[Gran PC]

Use phablet-tools and enable the writable flag:
https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/start/ubuntu-for-devices/installing-ubuntu-for-devices/#install-options

On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 8:26 PM eric  wrote:

> How to enable read/write mode for the newest stable Nexus 4 system?
>
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