[Ubuntu-manual] Saucy Salamander
Hi, my name is Craig, and I have been obsessed with Ubuntu and GNU/Linux for about a year and a half. In that time, I've spent most of my free hours testing development releases of Ubuntu. Though running test-cases and fixing an occasional bug or two can be rather stimulating, I want to commit myself this cycle to having a very active role in the Ubuntu Manual. Though the Ubuntu Manual is always amazing, I think that it also suffers from lack of contributors at times. I'd like to assist in authoring and editing for this current cycle. When will work begin on the manual for the current cycle, and what areas of documentation need the most work? I am willing to assist in any way possible. I have read the documentation at www.ubuntu-manual.org; I am familiar with bzr and launchpad, so I'm interested in when work should start for the saucy manual. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual Post to : ubuntu-manual@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-manual] Saucy Salamander
Very nice. Hope to hear from you soon. Craig On 04/29/2013 02:53 AM, Hannie Dumoleyn wrote: Hello Craig, Welcome to the Ubuntu Manual Project! We are always in need of new authors and editors, so we are very glad you want to become a contributor. Patrick has already answered your email, but here is some additional information. Ideally, we want each chapter to have at least one author and one editor. Huge chapters, like the Ubuntu Desktop and Working with Ubuntu are divided into sections which each should have an author/editor pair too. On this spreadsheet (1) you can see how it works. Now as for Saucy, we will start as soon as possible; you will be informed through this mailing list. Welcome aboard. Hannie (1) https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0ApS28NMLnYJXdGd1LVl5X2hvNkg2SEZiVzZ2RnYtWHc#gid=0 ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual Post to : ubuntu-manual@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-manual] Meeting June 8: link doodle poll
On 05/22/2013 04:24 AM, Hannie Dumoleyn wrote: To all (coordinators, authors, editors, translators): In preparation for our manual version 13.10, Saucy Salamander, we are planning a meeting on Saturday, June 8th. If are you able to attend, please add your name and preferred time to the poll: http://www.doodle.com/er3nbukz5q9cmvvq Time slots are: 7:00 PM - 11:00 PM (paris time). Use a time zone converter like http://www.thetimezoneconverter.com/ to check your local time. Hope to see you all, Hannie ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual Post to : ubuntu-manual@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : http://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp I'll be there for the entirety of the meeting. I look forward to getting started! ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual Post to : ubuntu-manual@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-manual] new in 13.10
On 05/21/2013 02:47 AM, Hannie Dumoleyn wrote: For those of you who are eager to start writing for the Saucy version of our manual, have a look at: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/05/what-to-expect-from-ubuntu-13-10 I invite anyone of you to send links to "what's new in 13.10" to this mailing list. Hannie ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual Post to : ubuntu-manual@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp I would suggest that all of you check out Jono Bacon's notes on the most recent UDS. Though not everything is applicable, some changes will be worth noting in the manual. http://www.jonobacon.org/2013/05/22/may-2013-ubuntu-developer-summit-summary/ Also, it will be interesting to see what happens with the ongoing discussion regarding the replacement of Firefox with Chromium in default install, as that will surely be something that will have an effect on the manual. http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1305/meeting/21788/foundations-1305-chromium-default-browser/ Above is a link to the UDS discussion, but as no decision has currently been made, you will certainly see more about this in the near future. Regards, Craig Hrabal ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual Post to : ubuntu-manual@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-manual] keep tabs What does it mean?
On 05/28/2013 04:28 PM, Kevin Godby wrote: Hello, Hannie. On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 8:42 AM, Hannie Dumoleyn wrote: There is no need to adjust English language expressions so that non-native speakers understand. It is my duty as a translator to find out what a less common expression means. I already felt stupid that I sent this question to the mailing list. Actually, we should try to avoid idioms in the English manual because the manual hasn't been translated to all languages yet. If the manual hasn't been translated to a person's native language yet but they speak a little English, they should still be able to read our manual. Avoiding idioms not only helps the translators but the large number of non-native English speakers. —Kevin ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual Post to : ubuntu-manual@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp I would have to agree. Expressions like that aren't too far off from slang, and therefore only serve to confuse people. Phrases and expressions like this should be avoided, as there is no clear way to translate the expression into another language. The fact that you had to ask what a simple phrase meant sort of proves why it shouldn't be written in that way. When someone is trying to get help using Ubuntu, language barriers shouldn't be a source of difficulty for readers. -Craig ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual Post to : ubuntu-manual@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-manual] keep tabs What does it mean?
On 05/28/2013 07:41 PM, Patrick Dickey wrote: It's easy to miss. The author probably thought it sounded right (which being an idiom aside, it did). The editor probably didn't think anything of it, because they understood what was meant. And the proof-readers probably thought the same thing. In other words, while it should have been avoided, it's a "no harm, no foul" type of thing. And this also serves to show that even if it's missed most of the way through, it will get caught eventually (most likely in the translation phase). Have a great day.:) Patrick. On Tue, 2013-05-28 at 23:52 +0100, Tony Pursell wrote: On 28 May 2013 23:12, Craig Hrabal wrote: On 05/28/2013 04:28 PM, Kevin Godby wrote: Hello, Hannie. On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 8:42 AM, Hannie Dumoleyn wrote: There is no need to adjust English language expressions so that non-native speakers understand. It is my duty as a translator to find out what a less common expression means. I already felt stupid that I sent this question to the mailing list. Actually, we should try to avoid idioms in the English manual because the manual hasn't been translated to all languages yet. If the manual hasn't been translated to a person's native language yet but they speak a little English, they should still be able to read our manual. Avoiding idioms not only helps the translators but the large number of non-native English speakers. —Kevin ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual Post to : ubuntu-manual@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp I would have to agree. Expressions like that aren't too far off from slang, and therefore only serve to confuse people. Phrases and expressions like this should be avoided, as there is no clear way to translate the expression into another language. The fact that you had to ask what a simple phrase meant sort of proves why it shouldn't be written in that way. When someone is trying to get help using Ubuntu, language barriers shouldn't be a source of difficulty for readers. I entirely agree with Kevin and Craig's remarks. It is exactly what I had in mind in my reply to Hannie (which should have gone to the list - apologies for that). There is even several distinct forms of English to consider. It is possible for me, as a UK English speaker, to use idioms that sound odd to US English speakers, even if they do understand them. So our aim should be always to use plain, straightforward English that can be understood by native and non-native English speakers. I have made a few edits along these lines, but I have to confess to missing the expression that Hannie queried. Tony ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual Post to : ubuntu-manual@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual Post to : ubuntu-manual@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp Indeed Patrick. I do not think that idioms can always be completely avoided by a native speaker, as one does not always know when they are using words that aren't clear and correct English, but simple phrases and expressions from our culture. However, if anything, it shows the importance of good editors. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual Post to : ubuntu-manual@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Ubuntu-manual] A Little Help
Don't forget the brand new GNOMEbuntu On 06/03/2013 05:59 PM, Thomas Corwin wrote: And in reply to Patrick, who asked "Are there really any others", there are. Here is a list of a few (in no specific order) Ubuntu Lubuntu Kubuntu Xubuntu Ubuntu Studio Mythbuntu Edubuntu Blackbuntu There are many more beside the most common! Thomas Corwin Sent from my iPhone On Jun 3, 2013, at 5:57 PM, "Thomas Corwin" wrote: Thank you all for the replies! I will be using the programs everyone has listed to test (and maybe enhance) Wine on Ubuntu. This data will also help add examples to the manual. As for the list of "Buntu" versions, I will be using the top three (Ubuntu, Lubuntu, Kubuntu) for added testing, because I will be writing a manual specifically for Wine running on these three versions. If you have any added suggestions, programs, or anything else, don't be afraid to ask! Thank you all again! Thomas Corwin On Jun 3, 2013, at 11:24 AM, "Sylvie Gallet" wrote: Hi All, I have a few questions for you all. They will all help with the Wine section of the manual. 1. Do you use a Windows OS? 2. If so, what Program(s) do you use the most? At home, I have an XP virtual machine but I seldom use it, as the Windows software I use run fine under Wine (a couple of fractal generating software, a dictionary) I do need to use my VM when a website doesn't work on my Ubuntu browsers, that's about all. Greetings, - Sylvie ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual Post to : ubuntu-manual@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual Post to : ubuntu-manual@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual Post to : ubuntu-manual@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual Post to : ubuntu-manual@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
