Re: Future and impact of ongoing projects in Linux world
The vast majority of consumer boxes run Windows because of Microsoft's bundling deal with the manufacturers. It's nothing really to do with Windows performance or ease of use (both of which are poor). It's just that Mr./Ms. Everyday User doesn't really know much about computers, plugs the box in, and just uses what's presented to him/her. "Just works" is a fantasy. There's plenty of Windows programs which don't "just work" -- I spend my days bouncing from one Windows box to another, trying to iron out small bugs or teach panicky users simple tasks. Most people can't set up a wireless router or configure a wireless printer, so Linux is a planet away. Linux-based distributions are still heavily reliant on the cli, and must remain so. We shouldn't give up the robustness of bash work so that linux desktop environments may mimic a dysfunctional proprietary OS. Jordan On 10/05/2016 08:59 AM, Himanshu Shekhar wrote: Moreover, I think that Linux has come a long way and gained much maturity on the server and enterprise side, thanks to parallel efforts of "Canonical" and "RedHat" (and "Google"). The sector which Linux has long way to go is Desktop / Laptop and daily computing. Why do you think people prefer to use Windows or MacOS? That's what needs to be improved in Linux. Standardized things, at least for a distro. Lots of customization available, but it should work out of the box. My dad would not like to go in depth about synaptic and libinput stuff, or the free/proprietary stuff. Things need to work like a charm, at least to the maximum extent we can provide. On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 6:23 PM Himanshu Shekhar mailto:himanshushekhar...@gmail.com>> wrote: I appreciate Xen's first response stating how things go on in Windows and Apple. I know that snaps and containers are very different things and function differently. I was less concerned about snaps coming to Ubuntu, than two standards, namely Snaps and Flatpak coming to Linux. Both are good in their intentions but they would again lead to confusion, they way we have today. Snaps/Flatpaks are intended to make applications distro-independent and unify Linux development. However, two things for the same task would again cause confusion about which to use / what will become the de-facto standard. **REPEAT** This reminds me of the state of Upstart, which after much development was replaced by systemd **REPEAT** I repeat that my concerns are Snaps/Flatpak and Wayland/Mir, not which of them is better. (I didn't start this thread to debate which is better). It is true that XServer is old and desktop/GUI computing has come a long way than the client-server model. I was eager to know how they are different, and how things in future are planned to be, as the current state of development branches in Linux make me feel like the chaotic scenario between distributions, packaging and graphics server would continue for long. -- Regards Himanshu Shekhar -- Regards Himanshu Shekhar -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Future and impact of ongoing projects in Linux world
Since the topic seems to be mounting of devices from user space... 1) You can use sshfs to mount pretty much any directory, anywhere to which you have password access on any mount point for which you have privs. I used to use it a lot. Works great. 2) I would love a feature in which I could add a blkid to fstab such that if I plug that particular USB or other storage device into my machine, that instead of mounting in /media/user/diskname, it would mount just like any other disk would at boot time. I haven't seen a way to do this, although I believe old automounters were fine with such. defaults, auto won't do it because it will hang you up waiting at boot time (well, you can set other options to prevent the hang, but its not really what I'd like to see. -- +---+ | Dale Amon Immortal Data| | CEO Midland International Air and Space Port| | a...@vnl.com "Data Systems for Deep Space and Time" | +---+ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Future and impact of ongoing projects in Linux world
amon schreef op 10-10-2016 15:53: Since the topic seems to be mounting of devices from user space... 1) You can use sshfs to mount pretty much any directory, anywhere to which you have password access on any mount point for which you have privs. I used to use it a lot. Works great. I read a post from 2005 that said the old smbmount did it as well, if you made the smbmnt program suid. Personally I think it is too "light weight" in a certain sense although I think I once imagined a use case for myself. Apparently suid mounting on user directories is nothing new. Someone on that page (lwn.net) said "Whether that is a bug or a feature is an exercise for the reader". 2) I would love a feature in which I could add a blkid to fstab such that if I plug that particular USB or other storage device into my machine, that instead of mounting in /media/user/diskname, it would mount just like any other disk would at boot time. I do this all the time. All of my usb disks mount in specific locations. They are set to auto and nofail. I haven't seen a way to do this, although I believe old automounters were fine with such. defaults, auto won't do it because it will hang you up waiting at boot time (well, you can set other options to prevent the hang, but its not really what I'd like to see. Hmm... you speak of systemd probably. I do not know what other concerns you have. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Future and impact of ongoing projects in Linux world
JMZ schreef op 10-10-2016 11:58: The vast majority of consumer boxes run Windows because of Microsoft's bundling deal with the manufacturers. It's nothing really to do with Windows performance or ease of use (both of which are poor). It's just that Mr./Ms. Everyday User doesn't really know much about computers, plugs the box in, and just uses what's presented to him/her. That's not really true. The vast majority of people would go screaming for a Windows or Mac PC if they had Linux preinstalled. The level of system maintenance I would have to give to my family for a Linux box is about 95%. The level of system maintenance for an ordinary Windows machine (provided it worked like Windows XP or Windows 7) would probably be some 20% for Windows XP and some 25% for Windows 7. That would mean that they could do some 75% of maintenance tasks themselves, such as adding a new user, changing power settings, moving their files around, installing Dropbox, and my brother and sister could perfectly handle installing a printer. Setting up OneDrive... those things I would never need to do for any of them. If you gave people the choice of Windows for pay or Linux for free I bet some would choose to experiment with Linux. Perhaps 25% would be willing to try it at least once, I'm not sure, as long as they could return the thing and get Windows on it at the second chance. "Just works" is a fantasy. There's plenty of Windows programs which don't "just work" -- I spend my days bouncing from one Windows box to another, trying to iron out small bugs or teach panicky users simple tasks. This is more said of the Mac than of Windows. Mac users use those terms to differentiate between Windows and their own systems. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
