Re: [Ubuntu-be] free slow computer for charity

[Mark Van den Borre]

Liese,

2008/2/20, .: liezie :. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> My employer is also looking for a charity to donate all our old laptops.
If powerful enough to run ubuntu, laptops would be immensely useful
for the booths ubuntu-be.org organises. Many booth volunteers don't
have cars, and desktops are impossible to get transported.

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/Eventbox has more information on
what we could use.
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/ComputerFairs/PastEvents shows
most of the events we were present at.

> I will also propose the oxfam project.
Just as a suggestion, a donation through oxfam to ubuntu-be.org might
instill more confidence from the side of your employer...

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[Ubuntu-be] Why Linux Doesn't Spread - the Curse of Being Free

[Amedee Van Gasse]

An interesting article featured on /.
http://blog.anamazingmind.com/2008/02/why-linux-doesnt-spread-curse-of-being.html


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Re: [Ubuntu-be] Why Linux Doesn't Spread - the Curse of Being Free

[Tom Van Braeckel]

Op donderdag 21-02-2008 om 13:57 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef Amedee
Van Gasse:
> An interesting article featured on /.
> http://blog.anamazingmind.com/2008/02/why-linux-doesnt-spread-curse-of-being.html
> 
> 

Thanks for sending that article Amedee, that's a really cool theory and
I feel like I agree. Also, the solution (introducing Ubuntu as an
expensive OS) sounds funny yet it might actually work :-)


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Re: [Ubuntu-be] Why Linux Doesn't Spread - the Curse of Being Free

[Steven Leeman]

On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 5:19 PM, Bart Broeckx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I do not agree, it's true.
>
>  We can't even sell Ubuntu in africa. That's because the africans like to
> be like the americans, they want what we've got.
> But that doesn't mean that we don't want it because it's free.
>
> There are more  things that makes people don't want Linux.
> - Everybody has Windows, so it has to be good.

Nah MacOSX is good although not everybody has it...   -> IT'S ALL ABOUT
MARKETING...
you can't make money on something that is free... so you don't have any
vultures (marketeers) selling air :-/
but alas most people that aren't a computer-expert are buying on impulse
using the impulses those vultures make...
(offcoze an ipod is easier to use than a creative zen  and offcoze you
don't need a 3G Iphone which is unlocked)


> - People don't know they pay for Windows when they buy a pc


a dell with linux costs as much as a dell with linux... you even get worse
hardware for thesame price :(

- They don't know anybody in there family or with there friends who uses
> Linux. where do they go when they need help?
>

they even have (more) problems with windows ... but they hate it when I ask
them to type "cmd" and give me some info :-)


>
> Linux needs marketshare to get a momentum where people realise it's a real
> alternative. Linux needs to be inovative to give people the need to have
> Linux, ...
>


a nice article is :
http://www.security.nl/article/18124/1/Van_Windows_naar_Linux_en_weer_terug.html
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] Why Linux Doesn't Spread - the Curse of Being Free

[Bart Broeckx]

I do not agree, it's true.

 We can't even sell Ubuntu in africa. That's because the africans like to be
like the americans, they want what we've got.
But that doesn't mean that we don't want it because it's free.

There are more  things that makes people don't want Linux.
- Everybody has Windows, so it has to be good.
- People don't know they pay for Windows when they buy a pc
- They don't know anybody in there family or with there friends who uses
Linux. where do they go when they need help?
- ...

I wrote a similar article 6 months ago: Free doesn't sell
http://bartek.blogsome.com/2007/09/16/gratis-verkoopt-niet/

Linux needs marketshare to get a momentum where people realise it's a real
alternative. Linux needs to be inovative to give people the need to have
Linux, ...

But don't say that because it's free we don't want ik. Yhat's way to easy
and makes mankind look stupid.

just my 2 cents



2008/2/21, Tom Van Braeckel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> Op donderdag 21-02-2008 om 13:57 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef Amedee
> Van Gasse:
>
> > An interesting article featured on /.
> >
> http://blog.anamazingmind.com/2008/02/why-linux-doesnt-spread-curse-of-being.html
> >
> >
>
>
> Thanks for sending that article Amedee, that's a really cool theory and
> I feel like I agree. Also, the solution (introducing Ubuntu as an
> expensive OS) sounds funny yet it might actually work :-)
>
>
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] Why Linux Doesn't Spread - the Curse of Being Free

[Kurt De Smet]

We can make a difference, since Ubuntu I've completely removed M$ from 
my pc's. I had many distro's RH, SuSe, Fedora etc.. but now it has 
reached a level so user friendly anyone can use it. Don't talk about 
installing cause 90% of the users can't install M$ either. And here we 
can make a difference.

Most of the Linux users have a fair good knowledge on how a pc works, 
the kind of person people come to when there M$ system slows down to 
much or is crawling with viruses to reinstall there os and programs for 
free. I can only speak for myself but I can't count the times I've 
reinstalled windows for people (oh yes, no charge at all). Now I give 
them an alternative with Ubuntu (free as usual), if they refuse I say 
they have to go to the vendor where they bought the pc (oh yes they have 
to pay there and as usual they forget or won't install(printer,scanner 
...) drivers ;-) ).

I'm tiered trying to convert people and mostly of tuning a M$ system 
(after a month or less the system is f$*k'd up again). If they change to 
Ubuntu I will help them as much as possible as I always did. If they 
don't they can take there troubles somewhere else and pay for it.

If we all do it how long will it take? Let them learn the hard way, 
because they won't take the easy way.

Just my nine pence ;-)



Amedee Van Gasse schreef:
> An interesting article featured on /.
> http://blog.anamazingmind.com/2008/02/why-linux-doesnt-spread-curse-of-being.html
>
>
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] FOSDEM 2008 - February 22-24

[Benoît Plunus]

I'm going to FOSDEM on sunday, but not on the booth for many reason (I
come with a friend and, especially, I realize last year I don't have
enough knowledge to answer to questions from the audience of FOSDEM)

But, of course, I can bring some powerstrips if you need this ;)

2008/2/20, Tom Van Braeckel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Op woensdag 20-02-2008 om 12:30 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef S.
>  Schauenburg:
>
> > I'm still planning to visit FOSDEM on saturday. As a backup plan: I
>  > can bring a switch (24 ports, like last year ;-) ) for saturday.
>
>
> :-o That makes my 4-port wifi switch/router look like nothing.
>  I'll still bring it though, for it's wifi capabilities.
>
>
>  >
>  > Regards
>  >
>  > On Feb 20, 2008 2:13 AM, Jan Claeys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  > > Op dinsdag 19-02-2008 om 19:10 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef Christophe
>  > > Vandeplas:
>  > > > Jan Claeys (JanC on irc) is the official contact between ubuntu-be
>  > > > and
>  > > > FOSDEM. He will/should probably arrive before everyone.
>  > > >
>  > > > Isn't it Jan ? :-)
>  > >
>  > > I'm not exactly an "early riser", but I should be there in time to get
>  > > the booth up.  :p
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > BTW: we still could use a switch to distribute internet to everybody in
>  > > our booth (and maybe in neighbouring booths if they forget stuff, like
>  > > KDE last year ;) ).
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] Why Linux Doesn't Spread - the Curse of Being Free

[Kevin Elaerts]

I totally agree with this, finally my dad has seen the last straw in his 
struggles with fucked up microsoft machines and the fact that I can't 
even fix many off them anymore, cause I'm almost totally kicked off from 
using that very bad system.

I once knew every aspect off that other OS for doing maintenance, now 
I've forgotten them all, but I know a lot off Unix-tools instead and my 
dad sees it to and we are now using and assessing it in our home 
environment.

Kurt De Smet schreef:
> We can make a difference, since Ubuntu I've completely removed M$ from 
> my pc's. I had many distro's RH, SuSe, Fedora etc.. but now it has 
> reached a level so user friendly anyone can use it. Don't talk about 
> installing cause 90% of the users can't install M$ either. And here we 
> can make a difference.
>
> Most of the Linux users have a fair good knowledge on how a pc works, 
> the kind of person people come to when there M$ system slows down to 
> much or is crawling with viruses to reinstall there os and programs for 
> free. I can only speak for myself but I can't count the times I've 
> reinstalled windows for people (oh yes, no charge at all). Now I give 
> them an alternative with Ubuntu (free as usual), if they refuse I say 
> they have to go to the vendor where they bought the pc (oh yes they have 
> to pay there and as usual they forget or won't install(printer,scanner 
> ...) drivers ;-) ).
>
> I'm tiered trying to convert people and mostly of tuning a M$ system 
> (after a month or less the system is f$*k'd up again). If they change to 
> Ubuntu I will help them as much as possible as I always did. If they 
> don't they can take there troubles somewhere else and pay for it.
>
> If we all do it how long will it take? Let them learn the hard way, 
> because they won't take the easy way.
>
> Just my nine pence ;-)
>
>
>
> Amedee Van Gasse schreef:
>   
>> An interesting article featured on /.
>> http://blog.anamazingmind.com/2008/02/why-linux-doesnt-spread-curse-of-being.html
>>
>>
>>   
>> 
>
>
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] FOSDEM 2008 - February 22-24

[Kevin Elaerts]

Hey I can't do that either, but I'm one hell off an entertainer and I'm 
even good for a runner who can get your drinks as fast as possible.
But I'll be there saturday only in the afternoon and sunday perhaps.

Benoît Plunus schreef:
> I'm going to FOSDEM on sunday, but not on the booth for many reason (I
> come with a friend and, especially, I realize last year I don't have
> enough knowledge to answer to questions from the audience of FOSDEM)
>
> But, of course, I can bring some powerstrips if you need this ;)
>
> 2008/2/20, Tom Van Braeckel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>   
>> Op woensdag 20-02-2008 om 12:30 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef S.
>>  Schauenburg:
>>
>> 
>>> I'm still planning to visit FOSDEM on saturday. As a backup plan: I
>>>   
>>  > can bring a switch (24 ports, like last year ;-) ) for saturday.
>>
>>
>> :-o That makes my 4-port wifi switch/router look like nothing.
>>  I'll still bring it though, for it's wifi capabilities.
>>
>>
>>  >
>>  > Regards
>>  >
>>  > On Feb 20, 2008 2:13 AM, Jan Claeys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>  > > Op dinsdag 19-02-2008 om 19:10 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef Christophe
>>  > > Vandeplas:
>>  > > > Jan Claeys (JanC on irc) is the official contact between ubuntu-be
>>  > > > and
>>  > > > FOSDEM. He will/should probably arrive before everyone.
>>  > > >
>>  > > > Isn't it Jan ? :-)
>>  > >
>>  > > I'm not exactly an "early riser", but I should be there in time to get
>>  > > the booth up.  :p
>>  > >
>>  > >
>>  > > BTW: we still could use a switch to distribute internet to everybody in
>>  > > our booth (and maybe in neighbouring booths if they forget stuff, like
>>  > > KDE last year ;) ).
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>>  > >
>>  > > --
>>  > > Jan Claeys
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] FOSDEM 2008 - February 22-24

[Jan Claeys]

Op woensdag 20-02-2008 om 02:13 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef Jan
Claeys:
> BTW: we still could use a switch to distribute internet to everybody
> in our booth (and maybe in neighbouring booths if they forget stuff,
> like KDE last year ;) ).

Update: a 24-port switch was provided by a friend of me (thanks
opengate.be !).


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Re: [Ubuntu-be] Why Linux Doesn't Spread - the Curse of Being Free

[Jan Claeys]

Op donderdag 21-02-2008 om 17:30 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef Steven
Leeman:
> > - Everybody has Windows, so it has to be good.
> 
> Nah MacOSX is good although not everybody has it...   -> IT'S ALL
> ABOUT MARKETING...

So, then why doesn't Apple have more than 3% marketshare on the PC
market while they probably spend 50x more per unit sold than Microsoft
on marketing...?  ;)

"Linux" is actually growing faster than Mac OS X, and might surpass it
within 1-3 years in most countries.


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Re: [Ubuntu-be] Why Linux Doesn't Spread - the Curse of Being Free

[Mattias Campe]

Jan Claeys schreef:

Op donderdag 21-02-2008 om 17:30 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef Steven
Leeman:
  

- Everybody has Windows, so it has to be good.
  

Nah MacOSX is good although not everybody has it...   -> IT'S ALL
ABOUT MARKETING...



So, then why doesn't Apple have more than 3% marketshare on the PC
market while they probably spend 50x more per unit sold than Microsoft
on marketing...?  ;)

"Linux" is actually growing faster than Mac OS X, and might surpass it
within 1-3 years in most countries.
  
Jan, what are your sources for the last sentence? I know the following 
sources, but these ones don't seem to give arguments for your statement 
(maybe because they are too global).


http://www.thecounter.com > Global Stats  (currently Linux: 1% vs Mac 4%)
http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=9 (currently Linux: 
0,67% vs Mac 7,57% and the trend seems to be in favor of Mac)


Could it be possible to clarify 'growing faster... in 
desktop/mobile/server/all' and 'most countries'=?


BTW Some time ago somebody posted the results of some Belgian survey 
somewhere where we could read that Linux is the most popular Linux 
distribution in Belgium, but I can't seem to find that message any more. 
Does somebody has any clue?


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Re: [Ubuntu-be] Why Linux Doesn't Spread - the Curse of Being Free

[Mattias Campe]

Mattias Campe schreef:

Jan Claeys schreef:

Op donderdag 21-02-2008 om 17:30 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef Steven
Leeman:
  

- Everybody has Windows, so it has to be good.
  

Nah MacOSX is good although not everybody has it...   -> IT'S ALL
ABOUT MARKETING...



So, then why doesn't Apple have more than 3% marketshare on the PC
market while they probably spend 50x more per unit sold than Microsoft
on marketing...?  ;)

"Linux" is actually growing faster than Mac OS X, and might surpass it
within 1-3 years in most countries.
  
Jan, what are your sources for the last sentence? I know the following 
sources, but these ones don't seem to give arguments for your 
statement (maybe because they are too global).


http://www.thecounter.com > Global Stats  (currently Linux: 1% vs Mac 4%)
http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=9 (currently Linux: 
0,67% vs Mac 7,57% and the trend seems to be in favor of Mac)


Could it be possible to clarify 'growing faster... in 
desktop/mobile/server/all' and 'most countries'=?


BTW Some time ago somebody posted the results of some Belgian survey 
somewhere where we could read that Linux is the most popular Linux 
distribution in Belgium, but I can't seem to find that message any 
more. Does somebody has any clue?
Hmm, of course I mean '...where *Ubuntu* is the most popular Linux 
distribution in Belgium...'


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Re: [Ubuntu-be] Why Linux Doesn't Spread - the Curse of Being Free

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2008/2/21, Mattias Campe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>  BTW Some time ago somebody posted the results of some Belgian survey
> somewhere where we could read that Linux is the most popular Linux
> distribution in Belgium, but I can't seem to find that message any more.
> Does somebody has any clue?
>  Hmm, of course I mean '...where *Ubuntu* is the most popular Linux
> distribution in Belgium...'
What's gone wrong with the world, that I'm now googling my own posts? :-)

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Re: [Ubuntu-be] Why Linux Doesn't Spread - the Curse of Being Free

[Andy Airey]

Hi,

Here are some stats collected by the W3C.org:
http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp

Don't forget there's the "iGeneration" ;-)

grtz

On 21/02/2008, Mark Van den Borre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 2008/2/21, Mattias Campe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> >  BTW Some time ago somebody posted the results of some Belgian survey
> > somewhere where we could read that Linux is the most popular Linux
> > distribution in Belgium, but I can't seem to find that message any more.
> > Does somebody has any clue?
> >  Hmm, of course I mean '...where *Ubuntu* is the most popular Linux
> > distribution in Belgium...'
>
> What's gone wrong with the world, that I'm now googling my own posts? :-)
>
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-be/2007-September/003342.html
>
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] Why Linux Doesn't Spread - the Curse of Being Free

[Jan Claeys]

Op donderdag 21-02-2008 om 20:44 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef Mattias
Campe:
> Jan Claeys schreef: 
> > So, then why doesn't Apple have more than 3% marketshare on the PC
> > market while they probably spend 50x more per unit sold than Microsoft
> > on marketing...?  ;)
> > 
> > "Linux" is actually growing faster than Mac OS X, and might surpass it
> > within 1-3 years in most countries.
>   
> Jan, what are your sources for the last sentence? I know the following
> sources, but these ones don't seem to give arguments for your
> statement (maybe because they are too global).
> 
> http://www.thecounter.com > Global Stats  (currently Linux: 1% vs Mac
> 4%)
> http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=9 (currently Linux:
> 0,67% vs Mac 7,57% and the trend seems to be in favor of Mac)
> 
> Could it be possible to clarify 'growing faster... in
> desktop/mobile/server/all' and 'most countries'=?
> 
> BTW Some time ago somebody posted the results of some Belgian survey
> somewhere where we could read that Linux is the most popular Linux
> distribution in Belgium, but I can't seem to find that message any
> more. Does somebody has any clue?

Mark posted it[1] first and I've posted it in several places too.  So,
early 2007 in Belgium, 1.8% of the market used Mac OS X, and 1.5% of the
market used linux, freebsd, or another free OS.

Considering the respective marketing budgets, Mac OS X must be really
bad in practice to be so close to the "no-budget" operating systems in
market share... or otherwise price isn't really relevant!  ;-)

Ubuntu did have 0.3% back then, which was the largest free OS.

And remember, this was based on phone calls to actual internet users,
not based on browser stats or similar metrics that are often faked
(because of issues with maldesigned websites).


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Re: [Ubuntu-be] Why Linux Doesn't Spread - the Curse of Being Free

[Christophe Vandeplas]

Andy Airey wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Here are some stats collected by the W3C.org:
> http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp
> 
> Don't forget there's the "iGeneration" ;-)

Some stats for FOSDEM;

Linux   45.3 %
Windows 40.2 %
Macintosh   9 %
Unknown 4 %
BSD 0.7 %
Sun Solaris 0.4 %

True, this is not the average computer user :-)

> On 21/02/2008, Mark Van den Borre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 2008/2/21, Mattias Campe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>
>>>  BTW Some time ago somebody posted the results of some Belgian survey
>>> somewhere where we could read that Linux is the most popular Linux
>>> distribution in Belgium, but I can't seem to find that message any more.
>>> Does somebody has any clue?
>>>  Hmm, of course I mean '...where *Ubuntu* is the most popular Linux
>>> distribution in Belgium...'
>> What's gone wrong with the world, that I'm now googling my own posts? :-)
>>
>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-be/2007-September/003342.html
>
> 
> 


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[Ubuntu-be] presentations

[philippe]

hello every body
dag allemal
bonjour à tous.

just to say hello and present myself:
philippe from tournai (doornik)

2 years of ubuntu (since 6.06, in fact) and a lot of solved problems
behind me
since a long time I don't need windows anymore exept for my work

I would like to support  the belgian ubuntu  community but I don't know
how
any idea?


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Re: [Ubuntu-be] presentations

[philippe]

Le vendredi 22 février 2008 à 07:46 +0100, philippe a écrit :

> 



> I would like to support  the belgian ubuntu  community but I don't
> know how
> any idea?
> 
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and I forgot to present my other website wich is a proof of my multi
cultural sensibility
http://site.plumes-et-calames.be/

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Re: [Ubuntu-be] presentations

[Tom Van Braeckel]

Op vrijdag 22-02-2008 om 07:46 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef philippe:
> 
> hello every body
> dag allemal
> bonjour à tous.
> 
> just to say hello and present myself:
> philippe from tournai (doornik)

Hi Philippe, welcome.

> 
> 2 years of ubuntu (since 6.06, in fact) and a lot of solved problems
> behind me
> since a long time I don't need windows anymore exept for my work

How come your work forces you to use Windows ? :-o

> 
> I would like to support  the belgian ubuntu  community but I don't
> know how
> any idea?

Spread Linux ! Spread Ubuntu !

Also, tomorrow is FOSDEM (http://fosdem.org) in Brussels. It's an open
source event with lots of interesting presentations and people.
Although I've never been there before, I expect you'll find a lot of
ways to support Ubuntu (and open source) there.
Needless to say, you can always make a donation to Ubuntu
(http://www.ubuntu.com/community/donations) - or you can put a "bounty"
on a feature/bugfix so that you pay for the guy who implements it.

PS: The bounties page seems to be down - I can't find it anyway.

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Re: [Ubuntu-be] presentations

[Tom Van Braeckel]

Op vrijdag 22-02-2008 om 07:49 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef philippe:
> 
> Le vendredi 22 février 2008 à 07:46 +0100, philippe a écrit :
> > 
> 
> > I would like to support  the belgian ubuntu  community but I don't
> > know how
> > any idea?

You can also help out with the 5-A-Day Initiative and try to work on 5
bugs every day. This includes reporting, confirming, fixing,...
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/5-A-Day

> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > http://www.oniris.be
> and I forgot to present my other website wich is a proof of my multi
> cultural sensibility
> http://site.plumes-et-calames.be/
> 
> -- 
> http://www.oniris.be


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Re: [Ubuntu-be] presentations

[Christophe Vandeplas]

Tom Van Braeckel wrote:

> Also, tomorrow is FOSDEM (http://fosdem.org) in Brussels. It's an open
> source event with lots of interesting presentations and people.
> Although I've never been there before, I expect you'll find a lot of
> ways to support Ubuntu (and open source) there.

Ubuntu-be will be there and have a stand.


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