[ubuntu-art] NW Config update + idea
Hey people, I have made a small update to the configurator that allows you to apply the changes you make.Read more here[1] or download it right now [2] Btw I have an idea about a program that could automate the pixmap theme creation with a GUI editor where you specify images and their properties. Would there be someone that would like to help me out with that? Generally all discussion is fine and I accept all ideas and criticism. What do you think about this idea is it possible and woth doing? Would there be anyone that would use it? [1] http://ankere.wordpress.com/2010/01/07/configurator-update-v0-3/ [2] https://launchpad.net/anton/+download Anton Kerezov http://ankere.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] NW Config update + idea
On Sat, 2010-01-09 at 13:00 +0200, Anton Kerezov wrote: > Btw I have an idea about a program that could automate the pixmap theme > creation with a GUI editor where you specify images and their > properties. Couldn't you simply use the same SVG-file-with-plates-layer approach as we used in the pioneer theme file for the gtk-css-engine? With fixed names for all elements and a matching gtkrc template, much of the work would be done already, right? What are the variables/properties required? -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] NW Config update + idea
В 12:11 +0100 на 09.01.2010 (сб), Thorsten Wilms написа: > On Sat, 2010-01-09 at 13:00 +0200, Anton Kerezov wrote: > > > Btw I have an idea about a program that could automate the pixmap theme > > creation with a GUI editor where you specify images and their > > properties. > > Couldn't you simply use the same SVG-file-with-plates-layer approach as > we used in the pioneer theme file for the gtk-css-engine? With fixed > names for all elements and a matching gtkrc template, much of the work > would be done already, right? Well it is not so simple because when you export the image from Inkscape there is some more refinement to be done in Gimp (but not all the times. > > What are the variables/properties required? > I was thinking of a explorer like structure where there are categories for Button, Checkbox etc. with a subcategories of the states. Then when you click on certain state you can specify the image (or change the default provided) for it and other options such as overlay file (if it is supported), borders in which the images is not scaled (every image has such), stretch boolean flags and some other options of the pixmap engine. I'm still not aware of the way things could be automated even more. Maybe a global variables such as make all button derivatives displacement equal to ... Anton Kerezov http://ankere.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] NW Config update + idea
On Sat, 2010-01-09 at 13:33 +0200, Anton Kerezov wrote: > > Couldn't you simply use the same SVG-file-with-plates-layer approach as > > we used in the pioneer theme file for the gtk-css-engine? With fixed > > names for all elements and a matching gtkrc template, much of the work > > would be done already, right? > > Well it is not so simple because when you export the image from Inkscape > there is some more refinement to be done in Gimp (but not all the times. Why? What kind of refinement? Give an example of something that can't be done in Inkscape right away. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] NW Config update + idea
В 13:01 +0100 на 09.01.2010 (сб), Thorsten Wilms написа: > Why? What kind of refinement? Give an example of something that can't be > done in Inkscape right away. The example is the edges of very small images that have round corners. Sometimes you need to adjust these details so that they become invisible for most of the cases. You can check the entry images of new wave. They have been refined a lot. But I suggest this could be changed by using larger images (but slowing down the whole theme with load times) If I accept your idea for the svg workflow then how could we specify desired borders? Could we use some rect to define numerical values to be used in the gtkrc? And what about stretch and other on demand values? Maybe the converter script could have GUI to set all this things? Anton Kerezov http://ankere.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] NW Config update + idea
On Sat, 2010-01-09 at 15:00 +0200, Anton Kerezov wrote: > The example is the edges of very small images that have round corners. > Sometimes you need to adjust these details so that they become invisible > for most of the cases. You can check the entry images of new wave. They > have been refined a lot. Well, even if you really have to do that, there would still be an advantage to having fixed names and an SVG template. It just wouldn't be the source of _all_ final images, then. > If I accept your idea for the svg workflow then how could we specify > desired borders? Could we use some rect to define numerical values to be > used in the gtkrc? And what about stretch and other on demand values? > Maybe the converter script could have GUI to set all this things? Either the border values have to specified separately (a GUI tool could help), or perhaps you could have a layer with rectangles in the SVG and have a script that queries for their dimensions. Aren't there elements where stretch is pretty much a must? Or do you have an example of an element that would have to be stretched in one of them, but not another? -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] NW Config update + idea
В 14:45 +0100 на 09.01.2010 (сб), Thorsten Wilms написа:
> Well, even if you really have to do that, there would still be an
> advantage to having fixed names and an SVG template. It just wouldn't be
> the source of _all_ final images, then.
Porbably possible :)
>
> Either the border values have to specified separately (a GUI tool could
> help), or perhaps you could have a layer with rectangles in the SVG and
> have a script that queries for their dimensions.
>
> Aren't there elements where stretch is pretty much a must? Or do you
> have an example of an element that would have to be stretched in one of
> them, but not another?
Example:
image {
function = SLIDER
recolorable = TRUE
state= PRELIGHT
file = "Images/Range/null.png"
border = { 0, 0, 0, 0 }
stretch = TRUE
overlay_file= "Images/Range/slider-vert-prelight.png"
overlay_stretch = FALSE
orientation = VERTICAL
}
where the thermer may want to stretch the overlay or
image
{
function = BOX
state = NORMAL
detail= "spinbutton_up"
recolorable = TRUE
file = "Images/Spin/spin-up-bg.png"
border= { 2, 2, 2, 2}
stretch = TRUE
overlay_file = "Images/Spin/arrow-up.png"
overlay_stretch = FALSE
}
where you might want to stretch the arrow somehow and use some specific
image for bg. Still it is very uncommon to do so :) If the creator want
he can open the file and edit this manually.
As you say a GUI that creates a template folder with template svgs
(probably with example content in them) would be perfect along with that
rect that the designer specifies to be a border.
Anton Kerezov
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Re: [ubuntu-art] GRUB Theming
For those who are interested: http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/linux/228/ -- Andrew -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] GRUB Theming
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I sent something[1] about this to the ayatana-discuss list on Launchpad. Have a look at that too. /Lasse [1] https://lists.launchpad.net/ayatana/msg00941.html On 09/01/2010 17:11, Andrew wrote: > For those who are interested: > http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/linux/228/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAktItTcACgkQ1EajTqQ6QOusEACfe+NYFj892pI47wavHw/C+Y19 DY8AnR3FNiAVR8J57Mvc2+HPlkKvTqCF =jZvu -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Need for an Ubuntu Art request wiki page
Hi , Very often, there are users who drop by the #ubuntu-artwork irc and request icons for new apps, posters for Ubuntu events. But if there isnt anyone available at that time, their requests go unanswered. [The recent issue of the business cards , if thorwil had not taken personal interest and approached the list , the issue would have gone un-addressed] [There was also the recent blog regarding the overuse of the Ubuntu favicon for every Ubuntu related site , maybe these websites dont know any artists to help out?] Currently ,these requests are not addressed from both sides: - The request does not reach all the people interested in helping out with Ubuntu artwork. - There is no single place for someone to request Ubuntu-specific-artwork.[the person either has to get lucky on the irc or personally know an artist or unnecessarily subscribe to this mailing list] Which brings me to my questions: - Why isnt there an Ubuntu artwork request wiki page ? [is such a wiki forbidden?] - Is there interest in the community folks to answer such requests? I suggest that we setup a wiki to address such requests and subscribe the artwork mailing list to the wiki page. This makes it easy for the folks who want to help and the folks who request help. What does the community think? -- Cheers, Vish [mac_v] -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Need for an Ubuntu Art request wiki page
On Saturday 09 January 2010 10:05:56 pm Vishnoo wrote: > Hi , > Very often, there are users who drop by the #ubuntu-artwork irc and > request icons for new apps, posters for Ubuntu events. > But if there isnt anyone available at that time, their requests go > unanswered. > [The recent issue of the business cards , if thorwil had not taken > personal interest and approached the list , the issue would have gone > un-addressed] > [There was also the recent blog regarding the overuse of the Ubuntu > favicon for every Ubuntu related site , maybe these websites dont know > any artists to help out?] > > Currently ,these requests are not addressed from both sides: > - The request does not reach all the people interested in helping out > with Ubuntu artwork. > - There is no single place for someone to request > Ubuntu-specific-artwork.[the person either has to get lucky on the irc > or personally know an artist or unnecessarily subscribe to this mailing > list] > > > Which brings me to my questions: > - Why isnt there an Ubuntu artwork request wiki page ? [is such a wiki > forbidden?] > - Is there interest in the community folks to answer such requests? > > I suggest that we setup a wiki to address such requests and subscribe > the artwork mailing list to the wiki page. > This makes it easy for the folks who want to help and the folks who > request help. > > What does the community think? > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Tasks does have a list of things for people to work on, but it need to be reworked to fit our needs better, I think (and more prominently linked/named). We need to keep in mind that the page should not get too long (ie having a thousand things to do with nobody doing them is useless as well) and that all the tasks listed are a) do-able without a broader effort b) accepted by upstream (even if that upstream is ubuntu itself) so that work does not get wasted. We have had problems and complaints in the past when subscribing the list to wiki pages. At least at first, I don't think that this is a good idea -- Kenneth -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Need for an Ubuntu Art request wiki page
On Sat, 2010-01-09 at 22:46 +0100, Kenneth Wimer wrote: > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Tasks does have a list of things for people > to > work on, but it need to be reworked to fit our needs better, I think (and > more > prominently linked/named). > Surely , it needs to better to be clearer as people are really not noticing it. > We need to keep in mind that the page should not get too long (ie having a > thousand things to do with nobody doing them is useless as well) and that all > the tasks listed are a) do-able without a broader effort If the request is too large to be addressed we can remove it. > b) accepted by > upstream (even if that upstream is ubuntu itself) so that work does not get > wasted. > Upstream? For that we already have gnome art request page. And the page works well upstream. Event organizers can also request posters / T-shit designs for the events. There were couple of such requests which went un-answered. For Ubuntu-specific events there isnt any such wiki. We can always be clear about the guidelines of what constitutes a request. > We have had problems and complaints in the past when subscribing the list to > wiki pages. At least at first, I don't think that this is a good idea Hmm... i wasnt aware of the earlier problems. But we can learn from the previous problem and setup a clear guideline as to what constitutes a request. [Would making sure the ML is not subscribed to trivial-edit help?] If it gets to be a mess , we can of course unsubscribe again ;). Anyways... the main issue I was hoping to address is not having an Art request wiki page. Subscribing the ML is just an idea. -- Cheers, Vish [mac_v] -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Need for an Ubuntu Art request wiki page
On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 4:05 PM, Vishnoo wrote: > There is no single place for someone to request > Ubuntu-specific-artwork.[the person either has to get lucky on the irc > or personally know an artist or unnecessarily subscribe to this mailing > list] Part of this problem could be helped by promoting the usage of the "needs-artwork" bug tag. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=needs-artwork - Andrew SB -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
