Re: [ubuntu-art] How the first theme is chosen for the user.

[t_w_]

shadowh511 wrote:

> THERE WILL BE AN INSTALL OPTION TO SKIP THE WIZARD

No, will not happen. Don't you know that the installer tries hard to ask
the _minimum_ of questions?

Being told something will not happen and then shouting back like this is 
very childish.

Also, Mr. "shadow511", there are some rules common to almost all mailing
lists. Do not top post. Do not quote complete threads. Edit quotes down to  
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Re: [ubuntu-art] How the first theme is chosen for the user.

[shadowh511]

What I meant was a simple checkbox.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Random Thoughts on Mail Burst

[Julian Oliver]

..on or around Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 08:14:16PM -0700, Troy James Sobotka said:
> > Bharat Varma wrote:
> > The visual style I have mentioned is called 'Elements' and it has 4
> > variations - Fire (the one you can see in the link), Water, Air and Earth.
> > 
> > Fire - Orange, the default visual style
> > Water - Blue
> > Air - Grey
> > Earth - Green
> 
> Don't you feel that this thinking is bordering on cliche?  I am rather
> shocked by the few people who seem to think that this is a good
> direction, but alas, pursue away.
> 
> Somehow I can't help but think that the four elements of our poorly
> illuminated past are best left for the cliched design paradigm in
> foreign RPGs.  I greet with open arms anyone who will prove me wrong.

yes i really agree.. we're not theming a D&D convention or Pilates
Camp. 

if you're going to choose an axiomatic metaphysical simplification of
the universe as a basis for theme design, at least derive it from the
home of the word 'Ubuntu'..

anyway, as Cory underscores, any efforts will not magically find their
way into Ubuntu without approval from Mark and friends. for this reason,
feel free to work away. maybe it'll be a hit.. 

however, i think it is wise - as has been suggested also - to form small
teams around discrete theme projects in order to get working, testable
themes actually finished and finished early. this will ensure they are
seen in the wild and thus perhaps garner the attention of those that
actually make the decision as to what ships.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] How the first theme is chosen for the user.

[Klaus Bitto]

On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 9:31 AM, shadowh511 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> What I meant was a simple checkbox.
>

I think, having to customize your installation in order to not have to
customize your desktop is too much forced customization already.

The only thing that could maybe work would be an unobstrusive little bubble
popup on first run, saying something like:

"Hey, we makers of ubuntu have created four differently shaded themes for
you to chose from.
Click this bubble to select the one that suits your tastes best!

You can also customize your desktop's looks later by opening the Appearance
settings from the System » Settigns menu, which you can find in the top left
screen corner."

But even this would be regarded some kind of "first-run" app...
Honestly, I never liked the "Welcome to Windoze - have a tour around all the
new bling!"-dialogs.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] How the first theme is chosen for the user.

[saltedlight]

On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 15:57 +0200, Klaus Bitto wrote:
> But even this would be regarded some kind of "first-run" app... 
> Honestly, I never liked the "Welcome to Windoze - have a tour around
> all the new bling!"-dialogs.

And if this is my 10,000 Ubuntu install do I really need this
information?
And what if I install Ubuntu for others, do I have to phone them and ask
"what theme do you want?" Or maybe i'l email them this question, and
they can email me the answer back.
If anyone need a tour they can find help, but this is not about
artwork... If you decide to make more themes for the user who would like
to change the default one, do not be worried about if he will know that
there are many themes, but if he will use any of them, because he might
like none...

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Re: [ubuntu-art] How the first theme is chosen for the user.

[shadowh511]

i'm making the idea in kommander right now, and I an making a Cancel button.

On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 7:20 AM, saltedlight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 15:57 +0200, Klaus Bitto wrote:
> > But even this would be regarded some kind of "first-run" app...
> > Honestly, I never liked the "Welcome to Windoze - have a tour around
> > all the new bling!"-dialogs.
>
> And if this is my 10,000 Ubuntu install do I really need this
> information?
> And what if I install Ubuntu for others, do I have to phone them and ask
> "what theme do you want?" Or maybe i'l email them this question, and
> they can email me the answer back.
> If anyone need a tour they can find help, but this is not about
> artwork... If you decide to make more themes for the user who would like
> to change the default one, do not be worried about if he will know that
> there are many themes, but if he will use any of them, because he might
> like none...
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Random Thoughts on Mail Burst

[Matthew Nuzum]

On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 1:15 AM, Bharat Varma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 2. Canonical would always prefer conservative themes to go out. Conservative
> themes would be what the mainstream default desktop will eventually be.

If you would have asked me before Hardy if something as exciting as
the heron wallpaper would be the default desktop I would have said
there's no way. As a matter of fact, when I first saw it I was excited
by its beauty but dismayed that it would have to go before release and
made a copy of it in my Documents folder so I could switch back when
that eventual update came and replaced it with some abstract curvy
lines.

But, wonder of wonders, the decision makers liked the Heron and it stayed!

What I'm saying is, be careful of your preconceived notions about what
the default theme has to look like. If something is truly beautiful
then it may be acceptable for use as the default on the desktop.

There are some obvious principles we must adhere to (distinct ubuntu
color scheme, universal appeal, etc), but otherwise, the goal should
be something that is usable and beautiful. Especially at this point in
the development cycle.

IMHO, shoot for the moon.

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[ubuntu-art] Intrepid Panels

[Steph]

Hi guys,

It seems I had a bug of the list and received ~50 of your message in a
single digest. Here's what I think of :

* The animated, "live" wallpaper : it'a good idea, as long as it doesn't use
more than 5% of CPU or GPU (better), and if this is realized, we have to
check if it's really that eye pleasant. Animation is cool, yes, but
really unobtrusive.
We could try to reproduce a feature of the  Sony Ericsson
S500I
phone,
wich changes its wallpaper along the day. My girlfriend has one, it's really
beautiful, and not stressing at all.

* Organisation : As you said, there's a great lack of organisation in this
list. We don't have any art tracker or anything (what has be done of
art.ubuntu.com, it's been months since I'me waiting?). But we have the
Ubuntu Wiki, indeed, wich is actually a very good place to share ideas and
show the progress of each team.

* The theme selection at installation : I disagree, as others, the idea of
asking wich theme to use, first because we want the installation to be the
clearest as possible, simplest as possible, and even a tiny checkboxwould
disturb the installation processus. Second, the theme we're going to realize
will be so great nobody will change it :D

The a first proposition for Intrepix : what about increasing the size of
both gnome panels ? The default, lowest size is 24 pixels, and setting it at
32px produces a much pleasing effect. A pleasing desktop shouldn't force
user to squint to see what's written. Those who have a bad vision would be
glad. Technically, I don't know if this increase of panel size causes some
problems with window display, if anybody can tell me more about this...And
then, we should __definitely__ find a gnome panel background, or anything
but delete this stupid grey color.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Panels

[shadowh511]

you're right.  I changed my gtk theme to the mac osx one just to get rid of
the boring grey in the panel (I even started using a dock!).  As far as
panel themes go, it should be smooth and glossy, but match the current theme
.

On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Steph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi guys,
>
> It seems I had a bug of the list and received ~50 of your message in a
> single digest. Here's what I think of :
>
> * The animated, "live" wallpaper : it'a good idea, as long as it doesn't
> use more than 5% of CPU or GPU (better), and if this is realized, we have to
> check if it's really that eye pleasant. Animation is cool, yes, but really 
> unobtrusive.
> We could try to reproduce a feature of the  Sony Ericsson
> S500I
> phone,
> wich changes its wallpaper along the day. My girlfriend has one, it's really
> beautiful, and not stressing at all.
>
> * Organisation : As you said, there's a great lack of organisation in this
> list. We don't have any art tracker or anything (what has be done of
> art.ubuntu.com, it's been months since I'me waiting?). But we have the
> Ubuntu Wiki, indeed, wich is actually a very good place to share ideas and
> show the progress of each team.
>
> * The theme selection at installation : I disagree, as others, the idea of
> asking wich theme to use, first because we want the installation to be the
> clearest as possible, simplest as possible, and even a tiny checkboxwould
> disturb the installation processus. Second, the theme we're going to realize
> will be so great nobody will change it :D
>
> The a first proposition for Intrepix : what about increasing the size of
> both gnome panels ? The default, lowest size is 24 pixels, and setting it at
> 32px produces a much pleasing effect. A pleasing desktop shouldn't force
> user to squint to see what's written. Those who have a bad vision would be
> glad. Technically, I don't know if this increase of panel size causes some
> problems with window display, if anybody can tell me more about this...And
> then, we should __definitely__ find a gnome panel background, or anything
> but delete this stupid grey color.
>
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[ubuntu-art] How to make a gtk theme

[shadowh511]

I would really love a link to a tutorial that explains how to make a gtk
theme, so I can get the elements themes drafted.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Panels

[Julian Oliver]

..on or around Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 06:42:05PM +0200, Steph said:
> Hi guys,
> 
> It seems I had a bug of the list and received ~50 of your message in a
> single digest. Here's what I think of :
> 
> * The animated, "live" wallpaper : it'a good idea, as long as it doesn't use
> more than 5% of CPU or GPU (better), and if this is realized, we have to
> check if it's really that eye pleasant. Animation is cool, yes, but
> really unobtrusive.
> We could try to reproduce a feature of the  Sony Ericsson
> S500I
> phone,
> wich changes its wallpaper along the day. My girlfriend has one, it's really
> beautiful, and not stressing at all.

5% is way too much GPU or CPU consumption for a wallpaper IMO. moreso
are you imagining 5% of the minimum target spec at the time of release?

(it would be ironic that the wallpaper has an 'earthy' theme yet is
itself the most energy expensive element of the UI when idle).

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Panels

[shadowh511]

On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 10:07 AM, Julian Oliver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> ..on or around Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 06:42:05PM +0200, Steph said:
> > Hi guys,
> >
> > It seems I had a bug of the list and received ~50 of your message in a
> > single digest. Here's what I think of :
> >
> > * The animated, "live" wallpaper : it'a good idea, as long as it doesn't
> use
> > more than 5% of CPU or GPU (better), and if this is realized, we have to
> > check if it's really that eye pleasant. Animation is cool, yes, but
> > really unobtrusive.
> > We could try to reproduce a feature of the  Sony Ericsson
> > <
> http://www.sonyericsson.com/cws/products/mobilephones/overview/s500i?cc=fr&lc=en
> >S500I
> > phone<
> http://www.sonyericsson.com/cws/products/mobilephones/overview/s500i?cc=fr&lc=en
> >,
> > wich changes its wallpaper along the day. My girlfriend has one, it's
> really
> > beautiful, and not stressing at all.
>
> 5% is way too much GPU or CPU consumption for a wallpaper IMO. moreso
> are you imagining 5% of the minimum target spec at the time of release?
>
> (it would be ironic that the wallpaper has an 'earthy' theme yet is
> itself the most energy expensive element of the UI when idle).
>
> cheers,
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/me laughedApple's osX has an animated wallpaper option.  you set an
animated gif as the backround.  Windows has their dreamscene (i tried it,
and it uses no more cpu power than windows vista uses for idling).  Maybe
our answer is in video files (get rid of the audio though) for more powerful
computers and gifs or a slideshow for older computers.  I know that the
latter is possible with "Desktop Drapes"
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Re: [ubuntu-art] How to make a gtk theme

[Jan Niklas Hasse]

http://live.gnome.org/GnomeArt/Tutorials/GtkThemes

On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 7:02 PM, shadowh511 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I would really love a link to a tutorial that explains how to make a gtk
> theme, so I can get the elements themes drafted.
>
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Panels

[Sumit Agarwal]

On Apr 29, 2008, at 9:42 AM, Steph wrote:


* The animated, "live" wallpaper : it'a good idea, as long as it  
doesn't use more than 5% of CPU or GPU (better), and if this is  
realized, we have to check if it's really that eye pleasant.  
Animation is cool, yes, but really unobtrusive. We could try to  
reproduce a feature of the  Sony Ericsson S500I phone, wich changes  
its wallpaper along the day. My girlfriend has one, it's really  
beautiful, and not stressing at all


The a first proposition for Intrepix : what about increasing the  
size of both gnome panels ? The default, lowest size is 24 pixels,  
and setting it at 32px produces a much pleasing effect. A pleasing  
desktop shouldn't force user to squint to see what's written. Those  
who have a bad vision would be glad. Technically, I don't know if  
this increase of panel size causes some problems with window  
display, if anybody can tell me more about this...And then, we  
should __definitely__ find a gnome panel background, or anything but  
delete this stupid grey color.




5% CPU utilization is too high, in my opinion. GPU certainly would be  
much better. Remember that more and more people are using Ubuntu on  
laptops, and even desktop users are becoming concerned about energy  
usage. For these reasons whatever dynamic desktop solution we have  
must not interfere with the CPU going into power-saving cycles. Even a  
very mild constant CPU load keeps the CPU awake much more than is  
necessary.


I do agree on making the panel (yes, singular) bigger. And, as you  
might also assume, I am for eliminating one of the panels. The top  
panel in particular has lots of wasted space. We need to find an  
acceptable way to either 1) combine both  panels or 2) make proper use  
of the top panel. The only sensible use I can find for the top panel  
is for it to assume menubar functions from GTK apps (a la Mac style).  
Of course, this is far from universal in the Linux world and would  
break in such common apps as Firefox and OpenOffice.


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Re: [ubuntu-art] How to make a gtk theme

[shadowh511]

thanks!

On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 10:29 AM, Jan Niklas Hasse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> http://live.gnome.org/GnomeArt/Tutorials/GtkThemes
>
> On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 7:02 PM, shadowh511 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I would really love a link to a tutorial that explains how to make a gtk
> > theme, so I can get the elements themes drafted.
> >
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Panels

[Cory K.]

Julian Oliver wrote:
> 5% is way too much GPU or CPU consumption for a wallpaper IMO.

It's actually *much* higher while its transitioning. On my dual-core
setup Nautilus jumped up to like 60% usage using a 20second fade. Any
lower then 15 didn't work. Maybe a longer fade/transition duration would
lower the usage. But then, the effect appears jittery. Like a low
frame-rate.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] How to make a gtk theme

[Cory K.]

shadowh511 wrote:
> I would really love a link to a tutorial that explains how to make a
> gtk theme, so I can get the elements themes drafted.

It's as complex as programming with no real great all-in-one resource
for it. Just some basic pages.
I think it's best we start a wiki page for links and info.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] How to make a gtk theme

[shadowh511]

for gtk themes, right?

On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 10:35 AM, Cory K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> shadowh511 wrote:
> > I would really love a link to a tutorial that explains how to make a
> > gtk theme, so I can get the elements themes drafted.
>
> It's as complex as programming with no real great all-in-one resource
> for it. Just some basic pages.
> I think it's best we start a wiki page for links and info.
>
> -Cory \m/
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Panels

[Sumit Agarwal]

On Apr 29, 2008, at 10:33 AM, Cory K. wrote:

> Julian Oliver wrote:
>> 5% is way too much GPU or CPU consumption for a wallpaper IMO.
>
> It's actually *much* higher while its transitioning. On my dual-core
> setup Nautilus jumped up to like 60% usage using a 20second fade. Any
> lower then 15 didn't work. Maybe a longer fade/transition duration  
> would
> lower the usage. But then, the effect appears jittery. Like a low
> frame-rate.
>
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Anyone got any estimates on CPU/GPU usage if we finagled it through  
Compiz?

I think that might be the only reasonable way to do this, and such a  
feature could likely well wait until compositing is more standardized  
across the Ubuntu desktop.

Besides, aren't there more pressing visual niceties like that textured  
panel, nicer drop-shadows, etc?

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Panels

[Cory K.]

Sumit Agarwal wrote:
> Anyone got any estimates on CPU/GPU usage if we finagled it through  
> Compiz?

As I said in a previous post about this, that would require taking away
handling of the wallpaper from Nautilus. On the surface this sounds like
a much more complex task then we need to take on or are even capable of
doing.

I really say we just nix this idea for now and have people keep an eye
out over this next cycle to see if things improve.

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[ubuntu-art] Stop top posting!

[Cory K.]

shadowh511, you've been asked *MANY* times in the past 2 days to stop
top posting in these long threads. It absolutely *kills* continuity. Set
your mail client to reply to the bottom by default if it helps.

PLEASE stop.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Stop top posting!

[shadowh511]

On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 11:01 AM, Cory K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> shadowh511, you've been asked *MANY* times in the past 2 days to stop
> top posting in these long threads. It absolutely *kills* continuity. Set
> your mail client to reply to the bottom by default if it helps.
>
> PLEASE stop.
>
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can you explain to me how to do that in gmail please?

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Stop top posting!

[Cory K.]

shadowh511 wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 11:01 AM, Cory K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > wrote:
>
> shadowh511, you've been asked *MANY* times in the past 2 days to stop
> top posting in these long threads. It absolutely *kills*
> continuity. Set
> your mail client to reply to the bottom by default if it helps.
>
> PLEASE stop.
>
> -Cory \m/ 
>
>
> can you explain to me how to do that in gmail please?

I'm sure others can as I don't use Gmail through the web. You can
obviously do it on your own though. (without the setting) ;)

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Stop top posting!

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> 
> shadowh511, you've been asked *MANY* times in the past 2 days to stop
> top posting in these long threads. It absolutely *kills* continuity. Set
> your mail client to reply to the bottom by default if it helps.
> 
> PLEASE stop.
> 
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by hand ??
put your cursor below the part you want to reply

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Panels

[Anton Kerezov]

В 13:57 -0400 на 29.04.2008 (вт), Cory K. написа:
> Sumit Agarwal wrote:
> > Anyone got any estimates on CPU/GPU usage if we finagled it
> through  
> > Compiz?
> 
> As I said in a previous post about this, that would require taking
> away
> handling of the wallpaper from Nautilus. On the surface this sounds
> like
> a much more complex task then we need to take on or are even capable
> of
> doing.
> 
> I really say we just nix this idea for now and have people keep an eye
> out over this next cycle to see if things improve.
> 
> -Cory \m/

> Dana said:
> 
> I've actually taken a look at that feature; after I first saw it in 
> Fedora 8 and 9 (beta at the time), I've been 'dying' to see the same 
> feature in Ubuntu.  It turns out that the XML slideshow wallpaper 
> feature from Fedora has been pushed upstream, so now it exists in
> Gnome 
> 2.22, and thus Ubuntu (Hardy); there just isn't any artwork using it. 
> However, this feature is static, in that it responds only to time 
> changes, and not to season or weather changes.
> 
> If you search for 'slideshow' on gnome-look, you get a few results:
> http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Tree+Slideshow+Wallpaper+for
> +Fedora?content=74639
> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/DebianBlue+(Animated
> +Slideshow)?content=75289
> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Debian-Bling+(Animated
> +Slideshow)?content=75293 
> -- note: this one is more of an example of "what not to do!"
> Some of the wallpapers from vladstudio.com also work decently well
> with 
> these XML files.
> 
> This feature can be very cool if done right, but it definitely needs 
> good artwork to go with it.


Hello everyone,

Right now I'm testing the first link Dana proposed and I could say It's
just brilliant. It works and the CPU is near zero % (it may use the
GPU). The transition from the one to the other image goes smoothly like
this img1:90%, img2:10% ; img1:80%, img2:20% and so on. Thus when
transitioning from sunset to midnight the image goes from pure gradient
to gradient with slowly appearing stars and then colors changing. It's
beautiful. But there is one problem here - it is probably made for
another time of the year and the sunset is "coming" when outside is
light (I suppose we could fix this with proper time intervals and a tool
that modifies the files each month or so). 

Another interesting idea I had today is that we can change the
perspective of the  pictures and thus having smth like a virtual walk in
the jungle for example :)

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Panels

[shadowh511]

>
> Hello everyone,
>
> Right now I'm testing the first link Dana proposed and I could say It's
> just brilliant. It works and the CPU is near zero % (it may use the
> GPU). The transition from the one to the other image goes smoothly like
> this img1:90%, img2:10% ; img1:80%, img2:20% and so on. Thus when
> transitioning from sunset to midnight the image goes from pure gradient
> to gradient with slowly appearing stars and then colors changing. It's
> beautiful. But there is one problem here - it is probably made for
> another time of the year and the sunset is "coming" when outside is
> light (I suppose we could fix this with proper time intervals and a tool
> that modifies the files each month or so).
>
> Another interesting idea I had today is that we can change the
> perspective of the  pictures and thus having smth like a virtual walk in
> the jungle for example :)
>
> Anton
>
>
>
>
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if you want a virtual walk though the jungle, you should use a video file
for less choppyness
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Panels

[Dylan McCall]

I entirely agree that something other than Nautilus could handle the
desktop background. It has always been odd to me how that is the case
now, and I bet if we had another, simpler program do it, the
background could load in much more happily than it does now.
(Furthermore, fancy visual effects for the wallpaper would not add
unnecessary dependencies to the file manager).

However, numerous issues with that being a Compiz plugin:
-Not everyone needs, wants or can have Compiz. (It also has a lot of
usability issues compared to Metacity).
-The Window Manager drawing an image to the background... Am I the
only one who finds the thought gross? That's like the kernel handling
a window system, a VGA cable used for audio, or a rhinoceros that
thinks it's a pterodactyl.
-Compiz is not the only thing that can do visual effects. The point of
a compositing window manager is to enable fancier visual effects for
the applications using it (eg: rgba instead of rgb), not to dominate
the role of generating visuals. A window manager should be focusing
entirely on placing and organizing windows in a standard way that
enhances usability in the realm of keeping things organized. Perhaps
it should be looked at this way: A window manager should be portable.
Most platforms have some visible program handling the wallpaper, such
as their file browser. Bad things happen when the window manager
suddenly decides that it, too, should handle the wallpaper -- namely,
loss of platform neutrality.

Having said that, the changing wallpapers are working fine for me over
here, I guess partly because I am not staring at them intently. I
prefer the idea of a slow moving slideshow versus a looping video; the
two are really very different, where the slideshow is meant to just
change unobtrusively while the video is built for instant
gratification (for lack of better words at the top of my mind).
One thing: Can we use relative paths for the slideshow XML files? I
found these much more complicated to install than they should be...

Bye,
-Dylan

On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 10:57 AM, Cory K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sumit Agarwal wrote:
>  > Anyone got any estimates on CPU/GPU usage if we finagled it through
>  > Compiz?
>
>  As I said in a previous post about this, that would require taking away
>  handling of the wallpaper from Nautilus. On the surface this sounds like
>  a much more complex task then we need to take on or are even capable of
>  doing.
>
>  I really say we just nix this idea for now and have people keep an eye
>  out over this next cycle to see if things improve.
>
>
>
>  -Cory \m/
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Stop top posting!

[Klaus Bitto]

On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 8:04 PM, shadowh511 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 11:01 AM, Cory K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > shadowh511, you've been asked *MANY* times in the past 2 days to stop
> > top posting in these long threads. It absolutely *kills* continuity. Set
> > your mail client to reply to the bottom by default if it helps.
> >
> > PLEASE stop.
> >
> > -Cory \m/
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> can you explain to me how to do that in gmail please?
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Stop top posting!

[Marguet (Stemp)]

I'm sorry, I'm using Ubuntu's evolution and I just want to tell you :
for ME it's better to top-post !

I don't even understand why someone will ask for bottom-post !

PS : it's not a troll, I just want to understand why you may ask for
bottom post. I just don't get it. What I care is about the answer !
And I want the answer to be on TOP.

Le mardi 29 avril 2008 à 14:01 -0400, Cory K. a écrit :
> shadowh511, you've been asked *MANY* times in the past 2 days to stop
> top posting in these long threads. It absolutely *kills* continuity. Set
> your mail client to reply to the bottom by default if it helps.
> 
> PLEASE stop.
> 
> -Cory \m/
> 


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Re: [ubuntu-art] Stop top posting!

[Klaus Bitto]

On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 8:46 PM, Stéphane Marguet (Stemp) <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'm sorry, I'm using Ubuntu's evolution and I just want to tell you :
> for ME it's better to top-post !
>
> I don't even understand why someone will ask for bottom-post !
>
> PS : it's not a troll, I just want to understand why you may ask for
> bottom post. I just don't get it. What I care is about the answer !
> And I want the answer to be on TOP.
>
> Le mardi 29 avril 2008 à 14:01 -0400, Cory K. a écrit :
> > shadowh511, you've been asked *MANY* times in the past 2 days to stop
> > top posting in these long threads. It absolutely *kills* continuity. Set
> > your mail client to reply to the bottom by default if it helps.
> >
> > PLEASE stop.
> >
> > -Cory \m/
> >
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If nothing else, then there at least needs to be *one* way to do it. In this
particular mail, for example, you cannot read the conversation history,
neigher top-down, nor bottom-up, as I am replying below (as in this list's
rules) and you are replying above.

In mail readers that do not group mails into conversations, it's pretty
important to get an answer in its context. Therefore, not only the answer is
important.
Answers at the top make you jump up and down all the time, when reading.

(As a gmail user, too, I don't actually care too much, as gmail folds all
quotes into one line and groups mails into conversations one below the oter
(not above the other!). So most of the time I don't even notice if someone
replied above or below the quote.)

PS: After all, you shouldn't full-quote at all...
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Stop top posting!

[Thorsten Wilms]

On Tue, 2008-04-29 at 20:46 +0200, Stéphane Marguet (Stemp) wrote:
> I'm sorry, I'm using Ubuntu's evolution and I just want to tell you :
> for ME it's better to top-post !
> 
> I don't even understand why someone will ask for bottom-post !

I don't see how Evolution would fget in the way, writing this in
Evolution.

What's more important, your convenience writing, or the convenience of
hundreds of list recipients?


A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid (Animated Background)

[Anton Kerezov]

В 11:30 -0700 на 29.04.2008 (вт), shadowh511 написа:
> Hello everyone,
> 
> Right now I'm testing the first link Dana proposed and I could
> say It's
> just brilliant. It works and the CPU is near zero % (it may
> use the
> GPU). The transition from the one to the other image goes
> smoothly like
> this img1:90%, img2:10% ; img1:80%, img2:20% and so on. Thus
> when
> transitioning from sunset to midnight the image goes from pure
> gradient
> to gradient with slowly appearing stars and then colors
> changing. It's
> beautiful. But there is one problem here - it is probably made
> for
> another time of the year and the sunset is "coming" when
> outside is
> light (I suppose we could fix this with proper time intervals
> and a tool
> that modifies the files each month or so).
> 
> Another interesting idea I had today is that we can change the
> perspective of the  pictures and thus having smth like a
> virtual walk in
> the jungle for example :)
> 
> Anton
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> if you want a virtual walk though the jungle, you should use a video
> file for less choppyness
> 
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Maybe you are right for some cases but what I imagined is really
different. You don't have to show 25 pictures in second to make a good
wallpaper slideshow. I meant smth like this : In the morning you are at,
lets say, Ubuntu forest and at midday you go outside in the field to
watch the zebras calmly eating grass and then at sunset you climb over
the top of a volcano and watch the sunpath in the sea and so on. Or
maybe just a small movement can be achieved such as rotating around a
tree. It all depends on the artist. So what we are "fighting" for is a
FIRST sub GOAL:
1.1 Find a way to to easily add slideshow backgrounds from Appearance
-> Background. Maybe add new tab Animated Background. (this have to be
discussed with the developers)


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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid (Animated Background)

[Cory K.]

Anton Kerezov wrote:
> 1.1 Find a way to to easily add slideshow backgrounds from Appearance
> -> Background. Maybe add new tab Animated Background. (this have to be
> discussed with the developers)

It's already easy. You would just point it to the .xml file. Or D&D it in.

-Cory \m/

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Panels

[Álvaro Medina Ballester]

I'm not agree with making the panel bigger. Gnome has a problem with upper
panel, with large screens becomes unusable (it has a lot of unused space).
So in my opinion we should keep ubuntu panel in 24px.

2008/4/29 Dylan McCall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> I entirely agree that something other than Nautilus could handle the
> desktop background. It has always been odd to me how that is the case
> now, and I bet if we had another, simpler program do it, the
> background could load in much more happily than it does now.
> (Furthermore, fancy visual effects for the wallpaper would not add
> unnecessary dependencies to the file manager).
>
> However, numerous issues with that being a Compiz plugin:
> -Not everyone needs, wants or can have Compiz. (It also has a lot of
> usability issues compared to Metacity).
> -The Window Manager drawing an image to the background... Am I the
> only one who finds the thought gross? That's like the kernel handling
> a window system, a VGA cable used for audio, or a rhinoceros that
> thinks it's a pterodactyl.
> -Compiz is not the only thing that can do visual effects. The point of
> a compositing window manager is to enable fancier visual effects for
> the applications using it (eg: rgba instead of rgb), not to dominate
> the role of generating visuals. A window manager should be focusing
> entirely on placing and organizing windows in a standard way that
> enhances usability in the realm of keeping things organized. Perhaps
> it should be looked at this way: A window manager should be portable.
> Most platforms have some visible program handling the wallpaper, such
> as their file browser. Bad things happen when the window manager
> suddenly decides that it, too, should handle the wallpaper -- namely,
> loss of platform neutrality.
>
> Having said that, the changing wallpapers are working fine for me over
> here, I guess partly because I am not staring at them intently. I
> prefer the idea of a slow moving slideshow versus a looping video; the
> two are really very different, where the slideshow is meant to just
> change unobtrusively while the video is built for instant
> gratification (for lack of better words at the top of my mind).
> One thing: Can we use relative paths for the slideshow XML files? I
> found these much more complicated to install than they should be...
>
> Bye,
> -Dylan
>
> On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 10:57 AM, Cory K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Sumit Agarwal wrote:
> >  > Anyone got any estimates on CPU/GPU usage if we finagled it through
> >  > Compiz?
> >
> >  As I said in a previous post about this, that would require taking away
> >  handling of the wallpaper from Nautilus. On the surface this sounds
> like
> >  a much more complex task then we need to take on or are even capable of
> >  doing.
> >
> >  I really say we just nix this idea for now and have people keep an eye
> >  out over this next cycle to see if things improve.
> >
> >
> >
> >  -Cory \m/
> >
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid (Animated Background)

[Anton Kerezov]

В 15:13 -0400 на 29.04.2008 (вт), Cory K. написа:
> Anton Kerezov wrote:
> > 1.1 Find a way to to easily add slideshow backgrounds from Appearance
> > -> Background. Maybe add new tab Animated Background. (this have to be
> > discussed with the developers)
> 
> It's already easy. You would just point it to the .xml file. Or D&D it in.
> 
> -Cory \m/
> 

For you and me it's easy but for a newcomer it is not. I should even be
more interactive - mouse over and animations starts or something like
that. 

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Random Thoughts on Mail Burst

[Álvaro Medina Ballester]

> 2. Canonical would always prefer conservative themes to go out.
> Conservative themes would be what the mainstream default desktop will
> eventually be. The themes would be bright, similar to OpenSuse or Fedora or
> the current Ubuntu default themes. This will not change in the near future.
>

Ok, but if you've been using (or at least reading things) about computers,
you should know how was Mac OS 9 [1] and the change that Mac OS X
represented [2]. Please take a look at both links and you should notice the
differences.

What we should do for Intrepid? I don't know. Maybe it's impossible for
Ubuntu to make such a big change because Ubuntu has a very short time
between the different versions. But hey! If we can do something
"revolutionary" for Ubuntu art, why not let people to try it?

The only difference between Ubuntu artwork since 6.06 is the wallpaper and
some minor changes in the icon theme (more or less). I'm sure that we can't
do a radical UI change like OS 9/OS X, but the question is, can we change
Ubuntu theme?

If not, we should start following Hardy pallete, but please someone tell
this to artwork-team!!!
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Random Thoughts on Mail Burst

[Álvaro Medina Ballester]

Sorry I forgot the links:

[1]http://www.guidebookgallery.org/screenshots/macos90

[2]http://www.guidebookgallery.org/screenshots/macosx103

2008/4/29 Álvaro Medina Ballester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

>
> 2. Canonical would always prefer conservative themes to go out.
> > Conservative themes would be what the mainstream default desktop will
> > eventually be. The themes would be bright, similar to OpenSuse or Fedora or
> > the current Ubuntu default themes. This will not change in the near future.
> >
>
> Ok, but if you've been using (or at least reading things) about computers,
> you should know how was Mac OS 9 [1] and the change that Mac OS X
> represented [2]. Please take a look at both links and you should notice the
> differences.
>
> What we should do for Intrepid? I don't know. Maybe it's impossible for
> Ubuntu to make such a big change because Ubuntu has a very short time
> between the different versions. But hey! If we can do something
> "revolutionary" for Ubuntu art, why not let people to try it?
>
> The only difference between Ubuntu artwork since 6.06 is the wallpaper and
> some minor changes in the icon theme (more or less). I'm sure that we can't
> do a radical UI change like OS 9/OS X, but the question is, can we change
> Ubuntu theme?
>
> If not, we should start following Hardy pallete, but please someone tell
> this to artwork-team!!!
>



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Re: [ubuntu-art] Ubuntu

[sylvain marc]

Have you seen the film "The 5th elements"... : AIR / WATER / FIRE /  EARTH /
... & LIFE

2008/4/28 shadowh511 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

>
>
> On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 2:27 PM, Dylan McCall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > Nice work trying to get things moving so early in the cycle, Shadow!
> >
> > To feed imagination, here is a Wikipedia article on the classical
> > elements:
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_element
> >
> > Personally, I think the Chinese Wu Xing stuff would be the most
> > interesting here, since it feels more tactile. Someone suggested poking
> > at elements of human life, and I think the Chinese one works great for
> > that. The Greek elements seem to explain inanimate objects in an effort
> > to "know God", while the Chinese phases are focused more on philosophy,
> > life and interaction.
> >
> > That, and the Greek elements are plain over-used.
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wu_Xing
> >
> > Bye,
> > -Dylan
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 2:06 PM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Please add to this and help us create the elements theme
> > >
> > >  Ubuntu
> > >  http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dnz9fj6_3dpr5fzgq&invite=dn8kmd7
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> > On Mon, 2008-04-28 at 14:06 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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Re: [ubuntu-art] How the first theme is chosen for the user.

[sylvain marc]

I agree with you

2008/4/29 Arjuna Navaratna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Just wanted to make a suggestion...
>
> I like the idea of letting the user determine which of the 'human element'
> theme variations is used. But instead of asking the user when they first
> login, what if the option is available after installation. That way the
> login screen itself could be different based on the theme choice...
>
> fire, water etc. style gdm themes?
>
> Personally, I'm loving the element idea as soon as I read it. It would
> really set ubuntu apart in terms of looks with pretty much every other OS
> out there.
>
> -Arjuna
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 8:08 PM, shadowh511 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > for vista, you mean sidebar, right? sideshow is an embedded display on
> > the computing device.
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 5:04 PM, Sumit Agarwal <
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > Hahahha...
> > >
> > > Actually, you make a very good point. Ubuntu should get in the habit
> > > of innovating UI that MS/Apple are compelled to copy. Mac's Dashboard and
> > > later Vista's Sideshow are essentially stolen ideas from the GNOME/KDE
> > > communities.
> > >
> > > Firefox 3 has recently introduced a feature that I'm certain will be
> > > copied by Safari and IE in the near future: the 'find as you type' history
> > > search integrated into the URL bar.
> > >
> > > -Sumit
> > >
> > >
> > > On Apr 28, 2008, at 4:46 PM, shadowh511 wrote:
> > >
> > > it would set us apart, and we would get the added benefit of watching
> > > Microsoft copying us!
> > >
> > > On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 4:42 PM, Sumit Agarwal <
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > That sounds fun.
> > > > But also maybe too fun?
> > > >
> > > > -Sumit
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Apr 28, 2008, at 4:37 PM, shadowh511 wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On the first login, you will be greeted with a "Welcome to Ubuntu"
> > > > > dialog that presents two options: "Use default theme" and "Take
> > > > the
> > > > > quiz to choose your theme"
> > > > > in the second, it will ask you a series of questions with answers
> > > > > and chooses the theme from there.
> > > > > --
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> > > > > ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com
> > > > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
> > > >
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> > > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> >
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Panels

[sylvain marc]

Dou you want the Bubuntu panel ?

2008/4/29 Sumit Agarwal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

>
> On Apr 29, 2008, at 9:42 AM, Steph wrote:
>
>
> * The animated, "live" wallpaper : it'a good idea, as long as it doesn't
> use more than 5% of CPU or GPU (better), and if this is realized, we have to
> check if it's really that eye pleasant. Animation is cool, yes, but really 
> unobtrusive.
> We could try to reproduce a feature of the  Sony Ericsson
> S500I
> phone,
> wich changes its wallpaper along the day. My girlfriend has one, it's really
> beautiful, and not stressing at all
>
>
> The a first proposition for Intrepix : what about increasing the size of
> both gnome panels ? The default, lowest size is 24 pixels, and setting it at
> 32px produces a much pleasing effect. A pleasing desktop shouldn't force
> user to squint to see what's written. Those who have a bad vision would be
> glad. Technically, I don't know if this increase of panel size causes some
> problems with window display, if anybody can tell me more about this...And
> then, we should __definitely__ find a gnome panel background, or anything
> but delete this stupid grey color.
>
>
> 5% CPU utilization is too high, in my opinion. GPU certainly would be much
> better. Remember that more and more people are using Ubuntu on laptops, and
> even desktop users are becoming concerned about energy usage. For these
> reasons whatever dynamic desktop solution we have must not interfere with
> the CPU going into power-saving cycles. Even a very mild constant CPU load
> keeps the CPU awake much more than is necessary.
>
> I do agree on making the panel (yes, singular) bigger. And, as you might
> also assume, I am for eliminating one of the panels. The top panel in
> particular has lots of wasted space. We need to find an acceptable way to
> either 1) combine both  panels or 2) make proper use of the top panel. The
> only sensible use I can find for the top panel is for it to assume menubar
> functions from GTK apps (a la Mac style). Of course, this is far from
> universal in the Linux world and would break in such common apps as Firefox
> and OpenOffice.
>
> My vote is for a larger singular panel.
>
> -Sumit
>
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Re: [ubuntu-art] How the first theme is chosen for the user.

[shadowh511]

i need some help with the coding for it, attaching the file

On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 2:00 PM, sylvain marc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I agree with you
>
> 2008/4/29 Arjuna Navaratna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> Just wanted to make a suggestion...
> >
> > I like the idea of letting the user determine which of the 'human
> > element' theme variations is used. But instead of asking the user when they
> > first login, what if the option is available after installation. That way
> > the login screen itself could be different based on the theme choice...
> >
> > fire, water etc. style gdm themes?
> >
> > Personally, I'm loving the element idea as soon as I read it. It would
> > really set ubuntu apart in terms of looks with pretty much every other OS
> > out there.
> >
> > -Arjuna
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 8:08 PM, shadowh511 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > for vista, you mean sidebar, right? sideshow is an embedded display on
> > > the computing device.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 5:04 PM, Sumit Agarwal <
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hahahha...
> > > >
> > > > Actually, you make a very good point. Ubuntu should get in the habit
> > > > of innovating UI that MS/Apple are compelled to copy. Mac's Dashboard 
> > > > and
> > > > later Vista's Sideshow are essentially stolen ideas from the GNOME/KDE
> > > > communities.
> > > >
> > > > Firefox 3 has recently introduced a feature that I'm certain will be
> > > > copied by Safari and IE in the near future: the 'find as you type' 
> > > > history
> > > > search integrated into the URL bar.
> > > >
> > > > -Sumit
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Apr 28, 2008, at 4:46 PM, shadowh511 wrote:
> > > >
> > > > it would set us apart, and we would get the added benefit of
> > > > watching Microsoft copying us!
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 4:42 PM, Sumit Agarwal <
> > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > That sounds fun.
> > > > > But also maybe too fun?
> > > > >
> > > > > -Sumit
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Apr 28, 2008, at 4:37 PM, shadowh511 wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On the first login, you will be greeted with a "Welcome to
> > > > > Ubuntu"
> > > > > > dialog that presents two options: "Use default theme" and "Take
> > > > > the
> > > > > > quiz to choose your theme"
> > > > > > in the second, it will ask you a series of questions with
> > > > > answers
> > > > > > and chooses the theme from there.
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > ubuntu-art mailing list
> > > > > > ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com
> > > > > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
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> > > > > ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com
> > > > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Ubuntu FTW! --
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> > > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
> > > >
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> > > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
> > > >
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> > >
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Stop top posting!

[Hylke Bons]

Who cares!
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Panels

[Jussi Kekkonen]

I know this is stupid but, do user need full width panel, not to
mention TWO of them... oh well :)

2008/4/30, sylvain marc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Dou you want the Bubuntu panel ?
>
> 2008/4/29 Sumit Agarwal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> >
> > On Apr 29, 2008, at 9:42 AM, Steph wrote:
> >
> >
> > * The animated, "live" wallpaper : it'a good idea, as long as it doesn't
> > use more than 5% of CPU or GPU (better), and if this is realized, we have
> to
> > check if it's really that eye pleasant. Animation is cool, yes, but really
> unobtrusive.
> > We could try to reproduce a feature of the  Sony Ericsson
> >
> S500I
> >
> phone,
> > wich changes its wallpaper along the day. My girlfriend has one, it's
> really
> > beautiful, and not stressing at all
> >
> >
> > The a first proposition for Intrepix : what about increasing the size of
> > both gnome panels ? The default, lowest size is 24 pixels, and setting it
> at
> > 32px produces a much pleasing effect. A pleasing desktop shouldn't force
> > user to squint to see what's written. Those who have a bad vision would be
> > glad. Technically, I don't know if this increase of panel size causes some
> > problems with window display, if anybody can tell me more about this...And
> > then, we should __definitely__ find a gnome panel background, or anything
> > but delete this stupid grey color.
> >
> >
> > 5% CPU utilization is too high, in my opinion. GPU certainly would be much
> > better. Remember that more and more people are using Ubuntu on laptops,
> and
> > even desktop users are becoming concerned about energy usage. For these
> > reasons whatever dynamic desktop solution we have must not interfere with
> > the CPU going into power-saving cycles. Even a very mild constant CPU load
> > keeps the CPU awake much more than is necessary.
> >
> > I do agree on making the panel (yes, singular) bigger. And, as you might
> > also assume, I am for eliminating one of the panels. The top panel in
> > particular has lots of wasted space. We need to find an acceptable way to
> > either 1) combine both  panels or 2) make proper use of the top panel. The
> > only sensible use I can find for the top panel is for it to assume menubar
> > functions from GTK apps (a la Mac style). Of course, this is far from
> > universal in the Linux world and would break in such common apps as
> Firefox
> > and OpenOffice.
> >
> > My vote is for a larger singular panel.
> >
> > -Sumit
> >
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Stop top posting!

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Stop top posting!

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Re: [ubuntu-art] How the first theme is chosen for the user.

[Cory K.]

Yay! Another top post. Thanx for being considerate. ;)

-Cory \m/

shadowh511 wrote:
> i need some help with the coding for it, attaching the file
>
> On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 2:00 PM, sylvain marc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > wrote:
>
> I agree with you
>
> 2008/4/29 Arjuna Navaratna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >:
>
> Just wanted to make a suggestion...
>
> I like the idea of letting the user determine which of the
> 'human element' theme variations is used. But instead of
> asking the user when they first login, what if the option is
> available after installation. That way the login screen itself
> could be different based on the theme choice...
>
> fire, water etc. style gdm themes?
>
> Personally, I'm loving the element idea as soon as I read it.
> It would really set ubuntu apart in terms of looks with pretty
> much every other OS out there.
>
> -Arjuna
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 8:08 PM, shadowh511
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
>
> for vista, you mean sidebar, right? sideshow is an
> embedded display on the computing device.
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 5:04 PM, Sumit Agarwal
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > wrote:
>
> Hahahha...
>
> Actually, you make a very good point. Ubuntu should
> get in the habit of innovating UI that MS/Apple are
> compelled to copy. Mac's Dashboard and later Vista's
> Sideshow are essentially stolen ideas from the
> GNOME/KDE communities.
>
> Firefox 3 has recently introduced a feature that I'm
> certain will be copied by Safari and IE in the near
> future: the 'find as you type' history search
> integrated into the URL bar.
>
> -Sumit
>
>
> On Apr 28, 2008, at 4:46 PM, shadowh511 wrote:
>
>> it would set us apart, and we would get the added
>> benefit of watching Microsoft copying us!
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 4:42 PM, Sumit Agarwal
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > wrote:
>>
>> That sounds fun.
>> But also maybe too fun?
>>
>> -Sumit
>>
>>
>> On Apr 28, 2008, at 4:37 PM, shadowh511 wrote:
>>
>> > On the first login, you will be greeted with a
>> "Welcome to Ubuntu"
>> > dialog that presents two options: "Use default
>> theme" and "Take the
>> > quiz to choose your theme"
>> > in the second, it will ask you a series of
>> questions with answers
>> > and chooses the theme from there.
>>


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Re: [ubuntu-art] Stop top posting!

[Cory K.]

Thanx for sending it 3 times. We need more spam.

Hylke Bons wrote:
> Who cares!
>   

Thanx for sending it 3 times. We need more spam.

> Please. Ubuntu. Art.
> Let's get something done!
>
> Hylke
>   

Thanx for sending it 3 times. We need more spam.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] mailling list

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This is spam, really?
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Stop top posting!

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On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 4:30 PM, Hylke Bons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Who cares!
>  Please. Ubuntu. Art.
>  Let's get something done!
>
>  Hylke

It's standard etiquette on nearly all mailing lists.  Please follow it.

This isn't 'nam.  There's rules here.

http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community/mailinglists/etiquette#head-ddeefb56d0b6cae8504d71648c63b3cc0b259048

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Stop top posting!

[Julian Oliver]

..on or around Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 08:46:45PM +0200, Stéphane Marguet (Stemp) 
said:
> I'm sorry, I'm using Ubuntu's evolution and I just want to tell you :
> for ME it's better to top-post !
> 
> I don't even understand why someone will ask for bottom-post !
> 
> PS : it's not a troll, I just want to understand why you may ask for
> bottom post. I just don't get it. What I care is about the answer !
> And I want the answer to be on TOP.

in most (if not all) spoken and written natural language transactions,
first comes the question and then the answer. it's unintuitive for many -
myself included - for this to be reversed. 

whether strategic or accidental, a top-post is a perversion of sense;
what you might call a Rhetorical Answer. it produces a break in the
inheritence of meaning and as such it is innately destructive to the
evolution of the thread.

for these reasons - and regardless of intent - top-posts will most often
be interpreted as a selfish form of reciprocation.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Stop top posting!

[Hylke Bons]

Sorry, didn't mean to send it 3 times. Something went wrong.

Hylke

Cory K. wrote:
> Thanx for sending it 3 times. We need more spam.
>
> Hylke Bons wrote:
>   
>> Who cares!
>>   
>> 
>
> Thanx for sending it 3 times. We need more spam.
>
>   
>> Please. Ubuntu. Art.
>> Let's get something done!
>>
>> Hylke
>>   
>> 
>
> Thanx for sending it 3 times. We need more spam.
>
> -Cory \m/
>
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[ubuntu-art] Design Now, Default Later.

[Who]

Hi all

I have written twice to this list in the last cycle hoping to help
people distill ideas into productive work away from the default them.
It hasn't really worked... As a team, I think our actual (polished,
published) output is a tiny fraction of what we *could* achieve. We
need to investigate why, and fix it.

Here are the reasons I think we aren't performing as we could. Add
yours, tell me I'm wrong, suggest a way to fix them :)

1. Design by committee is very difficult to get right: Dan Winship
puts it nicely here:
http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2006-February/msg00115.html
so we will get further if we have _leaders who make decisions_ and
_carry their vision through to completion_

2. There are too many people and ideas here to make producing a single theme
rewarding or sensible. We need not to get caught up with 'default' and
work on great artwork. If we _did_ make one theme that everyone
contributed to, it would likely suffer from the difficulties described
in (1) anyway.

3. The process for getting feedback about work that might be good as a
default theme is slow and sufficiently ill defined to make working
specifically towards 'being default' a dangerous and potentially
frustrating thing. Thus, it is better to allow those with close
contact with sabdfl to help the team on these aspects, but not make
them the central focus.

4. We need to meet hard deadlines and handle our packaging from the
very beginning of the release process. If you make some artwork, and
tick all the packaging boxes _your work will be eligible to be in
Universe_. Don't expect the packaging to magically occur - we have to
see ourselves just like any other part of the Ubuntu machine, we obey
the same rules, use the same tools, and have the same goals.

As I've said before - we've solved these problems in the past by
having 'theme teams'. Here is an email I wrote about these for the
last cycle:

https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2008-January/004821.html

I wanted to copy it in verbatim, but that seemed excessive. If you
think I'm right about the 4 points above, please try and read that
email and skim the responses.

Can anyone tell me why we didn't get more uptake? Are people only here
to make the default theme?

It comes down to this: If you have an idea for a theme, YOU need to
push it forward, YOU need to make it happen, YOU need to package it,
put it through REVU, use Launchpad...etc. kwwii deals with the
official theme and liaises with sabdfl, but ANY good theme can go into
the repositories. After all, if the default theme was to change
radically, it would need to be to a theme with proven success,
packages and maintenance. NetworkManager was an optional extra before
it was default ;)

So, I suggest we stop worrying about 'default' for now - and go and
enjoy doing some great, original design. Make it work, make it
available, and watch as people all around the world choose to use it!

It can happen :)

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Random Thoughts on Mail Burst

[Troy James Sobotka]

Matthew Nuzum wrote:
> If you would have asked me before Hardy if something as exciting as
> the heron wallpaper would be the default desktop I would have said
> there's no way. 

Give Kenneth Wimer _full_ marks here for getting that image in front of
the people who use Ubuntu.

If he had not put it in, it _never_ would have been seen.  Drop by and
give him a prop for at least getting it 'chanced'.  He is kwwii on
Freenode dot net and he is also (obviously) on this list.

Sincerely,
TJS



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