Re: [ubuntu-art] meeting Thursday

[CALGAR CALGAR]

i can do saterdays. this will be my first meeting so
how does it work.
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>1.  meeting Thursday (Kenneth Wimer)
>2. Re:  gtk theme (gp)
>3. Re:  gtk theme (gp)
>4. Re:  gtk theme (xl cheese)
>5. Re:  meeting Thursday (Iacopo Masi)
>6. Re:  gtk theme (Matthew Nuzum)
>7. Re:  gtk theme (Dylan McCall)
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> Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 13:04:51 +0100
> From: Kenneth Wimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [ubuntu-art] meeting Thursday
> To: ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com
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> Hi all,
> 
> It is time that we finally have a meeting as there
> are lots of things to 
> discuss. I suggest this weekend Saturday, the 8th of
> March. Having it on the 
> weekend might allow more people to attend. Perhaps
> sometime later in the UTC 
> evening to accomodate more people in the Americas?
> 
> Likely topics include:
> 
>  * GDM:  getting the bg inline with the wallpaper;
> new icons
> 
>  * GTK:  tweaking the gtk themes and discussing
> clearlooks vs. murrine
> 
>  * DESKTOP: Wallpaper tweaks. Discussing current
> state, ideas for moving 
> forward
> 
>  * ICONS: Needed! Update icon in Human style for
> panel; Scale and Expose 
> icons; General state of human refresh
> 
>  * 8.10: Discuss current ideas, how to move forward
> 
> ...send me your ideas for other topics
> 
> --
> Kenneth
> 
> 
> 
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 13:50:04 +0100
> From: gp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] gtk theme
> To: ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com
> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> 
> > ? ?Human Murrine (#3):
> 
> As I explained in my previous email
> (
>
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2008-February/005456.html
> ) I suggested some changes to Human-Murrine.
> 
> In this two days I made other changes and and they
> explain better my
> opinion.
> 
> I don't know if it can be to help the work or it can
> be considered.
> 
> The gtkrc file and some screen-shoots:
>
http://www.giuseppepennisi.it/human-murine/Human-Murrine_modified_2.tar.gz
> http://www.giuseppepennisi.it/human-murine/twf.png
>
http://www.giuseppepennisi.it/human-murine/nautilus.png
> http://www.giuseppepennisi.it/human-murine/panel.png
> 
> I commented all changes in the gtkrc file
> 
> Giuseppe Pennisi.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 15:24:19 +0100
> From: gp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] gtk theme
> To: ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com
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> 
> > ? ?Human Murrine (#3):
> 
> As I explained in my previous email
> (
>
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2008-February/005456.html
> ) I suggested some changes to Human-Murrine.
> 
> In this two days I made other changes and and they
> explain better my
> opinion.
> 
> I don't know if it can be to help the work or it can
> be considered.
> 
> The gtkrc file and some screen-shoots:
>
http://www.giuseppepennisi.it/human-murine/Human-Murrine_modified_2.tar.gz
> http://www.giuseppepennisi.it/human-murine/twf.png
>
http://www.giuseppepennisi.it/human-murine/nautilus.png
> http://www.giuseppepennisi.it/human-murine/panel.png
> 
> I commented all changes in the gtkrc file
> 
> Giuseppe Pennisi.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 09:40:37 -0600
> From: xl cheese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] gtk theme
> To: Discussion on Ubuntu artwork
> 
> Message-ID:
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> 
> It seems as though these comments are based on an
> older version of clearlooks.  You will need to the
> latest clearlooks version for some of the items to
> be fixed. The gtkrc is calling variables that do not
> exist in the old versions.  See comments below.
>  
>   = Easy Fix
> ***  = Can't fix.  Needs gtk-engine code change
>  
>  
> 
> 
> 
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To:
> ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com> Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008
> 12:29:30 +0100> Subject: [ubuntu-art] gtk theme> >
> Hi all,> > I guess that everyone noticed the change
> in gtk theme (we are using murrine at > the moment).
> I also included a clearlooks theme as well and we'll
> test that > in a couple of days). Both themes
> defin

Re: [ubuntu-art] meeting Thursday

[Kenneth Wimer]

On Tuesday 04 March 2008 12:57:04 CALGAR CALGAR wrote:
> i can do saterdays. this will be my first meeting so
> how does it work.

you join #ubuntu-meeting in freenode at the right time and we go through the 
topics discussing each one in detail.

Ken

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> >1.  meeting Thursday (Kenneth Wimer)
> >2. Re:  gtk theme (gp)
> >3. Re:  gtk theme (gp)
> >4. Re:  gtk theme (xl cheese)
> >5. Re:  meeting Thursday (Iacopo Masi)
> >6. Re:  gtk theme (Matthew Nuzum)
> >7. Re:  gtk theme (Dylan McCall)
>
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 13:04:51 +0100
> > From: Kenneth Wimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: [ubuntu-art] meeting Thursday
> > To: ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com
> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Content-Type: text/plain;  charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > It is time that we finally have a meeting as there
> > are lots of things to
> > discuss. I suggest this weekend Saturday, the 8th of
> > March. Having it on the
> > weekend might allow more people to attend. Perhaps
> > sometime later in the UTC
> > evening to accomodate more people in the Americas?
> >
> > Likely topics include:
> >
> >  * GDM:  getting the bg inline with the wallpaper;
> > new icons
> >
> >  * GTK:  tweaking the gtk themes and discussing
> > clearlooks vs. murrine
> >
> >  * DESKTOP: Wallpaper tweaks. Discussing current
> > state, ideas for moving
> > forward
> >
> >  * ICONS: Needed! Update icon in Human style for
> > panel; Scale and Expose
> > icons; General state of human refresh
> >
> >  * 8.10: Discuss current ideas, how to move forward
> >
> > ...send me your ideas for other topics
> >
> > --
> > Kenneth
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 13:50:04 +0100
> > From: gp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] gtk theme
> > To: ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com
> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Content-Type: text/plain
> >
> > > ? ?Human Murrine (#3):
> >
> > As I explained in my previous email
> > (
>
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2008-February/005456.html
>
> > ) I suggested some changes to Human-Murrine.
> >
> > In this two days I made other changes and and they
> > explain better my
> > opinion.
> >
> > I don't know if it can be to help the work or it can
> > be considered.
> >
> > The gtkrc file and some screen-shoots:
>
> http://www.giuseppepennisi.it/human-murine/Human-Murrine_modified_2.tar.gz
>
> > http://www.giuseppepennisi.it/human-murine/twf.png
>
> http://www.giuseppepennisi.it/human-murine/nautilus.png
>
> > http://www.giuseppepennisi.it/human-murine/panel.png
> >
> > I commented all changes in the gtkrc file
> >
> > Giuseppe Pennisi.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 15:24:19 +0100
> > From: gp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] gtk theme
> > To: ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com
> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Content-Type: text/plain
> >
> > > ? ?Human Murrine (#3):
> >
> > As I explained in my previous email
> > (
>
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2008-February/005456.html
>
> > ) I suggested some changes to Human-Murrine.
> >
> > In this two days I made other changes and and they
> > explain better my
> > opinion.
> >
> > I don't know if it can be to help the work or it can
> > be considered.
> >
> > The gtkrc file and some screen-shoots:
>
> http://www.giuseppepennisi.it/human-murine/Human-Murrine_modified_2.tar.gz
>
> > http://www.giuseppepennisi.it/human-murine/twf.png
>
> http://www.giuseppepennisi.it/human-murine/nautilus.png
>
> > http://www.giuseppepennisi.it/human-murine/panel.png
> >
> > I commented all changes in the gtkrc file
> >
> > Giuseppe Pennisi.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 09:40:37 -0600
> > From: xl cheese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] gtk theme
> > To: Discussion on Ubuntu artwork
> > 
> > Message-ID:
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > It seems as though these comments are based on an
> > older version of clearlooks.  You will need to the
> > latest clearlooks version for some of the items to
> > be fixed. The gtkrc is calling variables that do not
> > exist in the old versions.  See comme

Re: [ubuntu-art] meeting Thursday (Iacopo Masi)

[gp]

Il giorno mar, 04/03/2008 alle 12.00 +, Iacopo Masi ha scritto:
> >  > Yes I think here here is a lot of work do to.
> >  > I can add some gtkrc suggestion that you can find in my package
> >  > OranSun. The source you cand find here
> >  > https://code.launchpad.net/~iacopo-masi/oransun-look/main
> >  >
> >  Very nice!!!
> >
> >
> >  > I think imho
> >  > that the curren Human-Murrine is too dark.
> >  >
> >  I agree with you.
> 
> Thanks...
> I think we should use a similar GTK theme, maybe without stripes. I
> have a gtkrc with no stripes here in local.
> I think should fit the wallpaper..
> 
> Here some proof:
> 
> Oransun gtkrc with no stripe and Human icons:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/iac_lizardking/2308265639/
> 
> Oransun gtkrc with no stripe and Tangerine icons:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/iac_lizardking/2309071400/
> 
> Imho +1 for Tangerine...
>
For me tangerine or human are indifferent. One day prefer human, one day
tangerine :-) But tangerine are good icons.

Your orange theme is very nice because isn't dark like Human-Murrine.
But I think that an orange less clear is better.
I used as the main:
bg[SELECTED]= shade(1.23, "#D6722D")

I have done some examples here (See only the orange color, because I
modified not your theme but human murine):
http://www.giuseppepennisi.it/nautilus04032008.png
http://www.giuseppepennisi.it/Human-Murrine_modified_3.tar.gz

Giuseppe Pennisi



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Re: [ubuntu-art] meeting Thursday <--not Thursday but SATURDAY

[Kenneth Wimer]

Ok, that was quite stupid and nobody called me on it. The meeting is suggested 
for SATURDAY, not Thursday. Sorry for the stupid mistake, not sure how it 
happened.

--
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On Monday 03 March 2008 13:04:51 Kenneth Wimer wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> It is time that we finally have a meeting as there are lots of things to
> discuss. I suggest this weekend Saturday, the 8th of March. Having it on
> the weekend might allow more people to attend. Perhaps sometime later in
> the UTC evening to accomodate more people in the Americas?
>
> Likely topics include:
>
>  * GDM:  getting the bg inline with the wallpaper; new icons
>
>  * GTK:  tweaking the gtk themes and discussing clearlooks vs. murrine
>
>  * DESKTOP: Wallpaper tweaks. Discussing current state, ideas for moving
> forward
>
>  * ICONS: Needed! Update icon in Human style for panel; Scale and Expose
> icons; General state of human refresh
>
>  * 8.10: Discuss current ideas, how to move forward
>
> ...send me your ideas for other topics
>
> --
> Kenneth

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Re: [ubuntu-art] gtk theme

[Andrea Cimitan]

You cannot rename human theme from ubuntulooks to murrine/clearlooks and
blame about those gtk-engines.
A theme should be written from scratch with an engine in mind, these are
probably the weird themes I have seen in years :)
Even ubuntulooks, which is one of the less-liked gtk-engine, seems a way
better than both clearlooks and murrine.

I really hope these and derivates will NEVER be part of ubuntu.

If you want those engines, you should tweak the color palette, with
shadings and some hue changes. Or stick to ubuntulooks, which uses
colors in a *fake* way (I mean that it does what it wants, bg[SELECTED]
is used for the prelight, for example...).

If you want great themes, maybe following Tangerine's palette (much more
adaptable to a gtk theme), I have few great ones.

Cheers

Il giorno lun, 03/03/2008 alle 12.29 +0100, Kenneth Wimer ha scritto:
> Hi all,
> 
> I guess that everyone noticed the change in gtk theme (we are using murrine 
> at 
> the moment). I also included a clearlooks theme as well and we'll test that 
> in a couple of days). Both themes definitely need improvement if they are 
> going to replace Ubuntu Looks which, although it does have minor bugs, has a 
> definte look and is quite well polished. With an eye to the future, here is a 
> list of +'s and -'s for each theme. In many cases the -'s can be easily 
> solved ...feel free to help :-)
> 
>   Human Ubuntu Looks (#1):
>- lines between menu bar, toolbars and windows are bad; but we don't
>  have to get rid of them just yet
>+ we like the obviously ticked checkboxes and radio buttons
>+ and that the tick from the checkbox is larger than the box
>- toggle button doesn't share the obviousness
>+ liked the markers in the progress bars
>+ liked the inset tray look of sliders
>+ liked the filled insides of sliders
>+ liked the prelight colour of scrollbars
>+ liked tab colours and no gradient
>+ selected/active light orange bg (menu's, etc) color is perfect 
> 
>Human Clearlooks (#2):
>- menubar different colour to everything else
>- gradient buttons instead of glossy
>- no prelight of scrollbars
>- no colour inside sliders
>- checkboxes not obviously checked
>+ but toggle buttons are much more obvious
>- don't like tab gradients
>+ but colour is ok
>- progress bars look like tanks, no markers
> 
>Human Murrine (#3):
>- lines between menu bar and toolbars, and toolbars and rest of
>  window; not urgent to remove
>? menu bar is very strange
>+ but the menus themselves look great with the gutter
>- quite square in shape, rounded is more pleasing to the eye
>- progress bars are tanks, no markers, and not inset
>- sliders also not inset
>+ but filled
>+ obviously checked
>- but white
>- toggle button isn't obvious at all, quite nasty in fact
>+ tabs have no gradient and gutter colours
>- no scrollbar prelight
>- entire scrollbar coloured
> 


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Re: [ubuntu-art] gtk theme

[Anton Kerezov]

I agree with you Andrea. The proposed themes look cool at first but then
you came to realize that they are actually unusable. I have changed a
LOT of themes during the years and the two I find most pleasing are
Clearlooks (the default that comes with GNOME) and Aurora (the best eye
candy and usability in one place).

I'm using Aurora for almost an year and still do not want to change it
with any other. So "we" have to decide very carefully what the default
theme would be.

В вт, 2008-03-04 в 16:22 +0100, Andrea Cimitan написа:
> You cannot rename human theme from ubuntulooks to murrine/clearlooks and
> blame about those gtk-engines.
> A theme should be written from scratch with an engine in mind, these are
> probably the weird themes I have seen in years :)
> Even ubuntulooks, which is one of the less-liked gtk-engine, seems a way
> better than both clearlooks and murrine.
> 
> I really hope these and derivates will NEVER be part of ubuntu.
> 
> If you want those engines, you should tweak the color palette, with
> shadings and some hue changes. Or stick to ubuntulooks, which uses
> colors in a *fake* way (I mean that it does what it wants, bg[SELECTED]
> is used for the prelight, for example...).
> 
> If you want great themes, maybe following Tangerine's palette (much more
> adaptable to a gtk theme), I have few great ones.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Il giorno lun, 03/03/2008 alle 12.29 +0100, Kenneth Wimer ha scritto:
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > I guess that everyone noticed the change in gtk theme (we are using murrine 
> > at 
> > the moment). I also included a clearlooks theme as well and we'll test that 
> > in a couple of days). Both themes definitely need improvement if they are 
> > going to replace Ubuntu Looks which, although it does have minor bugs, has 
> > a 
> > definte look and is quite well polished. With an eye to the future, here is 
> > a 
> > list of +'s and -'s for each theme. In many cases the -'s can be easily 
> > solved ...feel free to help :-)
> > 
> >   Human Ubuntu Looks (#1):
> >- lines between menu bar, toolbars and windows are bad; but we don't
> >  have to get rid of them just yet
> >+ we like the obviously ticked checkboxes and radio buttons
> >+ and that the tick from the checkbox is larger than the box
> >- toggle button doesn't share the obviousness
> >+ liked the markers in the progress bars
> >+ liked the inset tray look of sliders
> >+ liked the filled insides of sliders
> >+ liked the prelight colour of scrollbars
> >+ liked tab colours and no gradient
> >+ selected/active light orange bg (menu's, etc) color is perfect 
> > 
> >Human Clearlooks (#2):
> >- menubar different colour to everything else
> >- gradient buttons instead of glossy
> >- no prelight of scrollbars
> >- no colour inside sliders
> >- checkboxes not obviously checked
> >+ but toggle buttons are much more obvious
> >- don't like tab gradients
> >+ but colour is ok
> >- progress bars look like tanks, no markers
> > 
> >Human Murrine (#3):
> >- lines between menu bar and toolbars, and toolbars and rest of
> >  window; not urgent to remove
> >? menu bar is very strange
> >+ but the menus themselves look great with the gutter
> >- quite square in shape, rounded is more pleasing to the eye
> >- progress bars are tanks, no markers, and not inset
> >- sliders also not inset
> >+ but filled
> >+ obviously checked
> >- but white
> >- toggle button isn't obvious at all, quite nasty in fact
> >+ tabs have no gradient and gutter colours
> >- no scrollbar prelight
> >- entire scrollbar coloured
> > 
> 
> 


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Re: [ubuntu-art] meeting Thursday <--not Thursday but SATURDAY

[sylvain marc]

SATURSDAY, it will be ok (for the moment) but it depend the time (UTC /
after 20 or 21 it will be good)
in #ubuntu-meeting in freenode (i've got connexion problems last time, could
you give me the link because i forgot it when i change my computer for
chrismass, thank you)

2008/3/4, Kenneth Wimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> Ok, that was quite stupid and nobody called me on it. The meeting is
> suggested
> for SATURDAY, not Thursday. Sorry for the stupid mistake, not sure how it
> happened.
>
> --
> Ken
>
> On Monday 03 March 2008 13:04:51 Kenneth Wimer wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > It is time that we finally have a meeting as there are lots of things to
> > discuss. I suggest this weekend Saturday, the 8th of March. Having it on
> > the weekend might allow more people to attend. Perhaps sometime later in
> > the UTC evening to accomodate more people in the Americas?
> >
> > Likely topics include:
> >
> >  * GDM:  getting the bg inline with the wallpaper; new icons
> >
> >  * GTK:  tweaking the gtk themes and discussing clearlooks vs. murrine
> >
> >  * DESKTOP: Wallpaper tweaks. Discussing current state, ideas for moving
> > forward
> >
> >  * ICONS: Needed! Update icon in Human style for panel; Scale and Expose
> > icons; General state of human refresh
> >
> >  * 8.10: Discuss current ideas, how to move forward
> >
> > ...send me your ideas for other topics
> >
> > --
> > Kenneth
>
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[ubuntu-art] Meeting Saturday March 8, starting 20:30 UTC, #ubuntu-meeting in freenode

[Mike MacCana]

Are we agreed?

Mike
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