Re: [ubuntu-art] Who is our target audience?

[Thorsten Wilms]

On Thu, 2007-12-27 at 14:01 +0100, julian wrote:

> as i've said earlier, i'm into the idea of a public vote on mockups (and
> including the current theme) made by list members within the first two
> 6-8 weeks of each release cycle. i think most of the time ubuntu-art is
> shooting in the dark, so to speak, where envisaging a best-fit default
> theme is concerned; choosing externally asserted design agendas over
> plentiful public/user opinion. 

With 'public' votes, you can only reach an internet-affine,
high-interest part of users. Hardly anyone who's just a potential, not
current user. Hardly anyone who just has better things to do.

Plus forum (list and chat) dwellers can't be expected to care about
marketing/branding and about the needs and wishes of other people that
aren't represented directly.

I don't care much about how people on the forum would vote. Such a vote
doesn't even transport full opinions. I care about informed opinions and
decisions.

Input on the forum can be nice for tweaking details, but that's pretty
much it.


> at which point are we allowing - and encouraging - Ubuntu users to feed
> back into the design process? i don't see a channel for that.

People who want to get involved can come here and find information on
the wiki. Now that everyone doing so is left in the situation we are -
that is a problem. As things are, we have to wait for further direction
while a lot of water went down the river already.


> the question "who is our target audience" makes little sense to these
> ends, i think. Ubuntu is a freely distributable operating system made
> with the ends of being as 'generally useful' (whatever that means) to as
> many people as possible. the 'target audience' is whoever is using
> Ubuntu and, as such, their thoughts on the artwork ought to be
> considered with sincerity accordingly. if Ubuntu-art has a target
> audience, then Ubuntu itself must have a target audience - something
> i've never seen Canonical define (and thankfully so).

I do see the problem with a diverse audience. But current users and
target audience are not the same thing.
Ever considered to target users who don't use Ubuntu yet?
Especially those who will not change the appearance defaults for the
sake of changing them anyway?


> > There also have been many saying that Ubuntu should stay away from
> > blue.  Cool, let's rule out brown and blue!
> > 
> 
> fine by me. we'd be evidencing a disappointing lack of imagination if
> green, blue and brown based palettes described our world of possible
> choices.

This is just silly.


> as the comments in those pages make clear, they just like the colours
> and the overall design continuity. admittedly they also like the
> impossible 'dock' like menu. why expect users to be profound on the
> topic, let alone thinking in terms of what is and isn't feasible? all
> they know is that they like it - and that's as good a start as any IMO.

Sure. They like the colour (i wouldn't make that a plural). Must be the
same majority that doesn't like brown.
Ah, so we don't expect users to be profound on the topic and to be
thinking in terms of what is and isn't feasible, yet would want their
votes? Great.

> aiming high, in my opinion, is developing a design that
> more-than-satisfies a supposed majority of Ubuntu using public. until we
> know what it is most Ubuntu users actually want, we cannot have a clear 
> design charter. 

Aiming high in my opinion means going through a very thorough design
process. It starts with a proper briefing.


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Re: [ubuntu-art] Who is our target audience?

[julian]

..on Wed, Dec 26, 2007 at 11:14:49AM +0100, Thorsten Wilms wrote:
> On Wed, 2007-12-26 at 00:27 +0100, julian wrote:
> 
> > then so be it. i strongly believe Ubuntu artwork development needs to
> > follow the same consensual process as any other aspect of the project's
> > development: users needs to be able to report what they consider
> > 'bugs' in the art and design aspects and feel they are being heard.
> > we respond to those bugs by coming up with working solution. ideally
> > they get on board and help out.
> 
> It's a new idea to me that everything runs on bug reports. What about
> blueprints and the sprints and summits? Regarding "consensual" - ever
> heard of the Self Appointed Benevolent Dictator for Life? ;)
> 
> What would you do with a "I don't like that colour" bug, anyway?
> Change that colour and have the same report from someone else?
> 

as i've said earlier, i'm into the idea of a public vote on mockups (and
including the current theme) made by list members within the first two
6-8 weeks of each release cycle. i think most of the time ubuntu-art is
shooting in the dark, so to speak, where envisaging a best-fit default
theme is concerned; choosing externally asserted design agendas over
plentiful public/user opinion. 

at which point are we allowing - and encouraging - Ubuntu users to feed
back into the design process? i don't see a channel for that.

the question "who is our target audience" makes little sense to these
ends, i think. Ubuntu is a freely distributable operating system made
with the ends of being as 'generally useful' (whatever that means) to as
many people as possible. the 'target audience' is whoever is using
Ubuntu and, as such, their thoughts on the artwork ought to be
considered with sincerity accordingly. if Ubuntu-art has a target
audience, then Ubuntu itself must have a target audience - something
i've never seen Canonical define (and thankfully so).

> 
> > if the bulk of users simply don't like brown - which is the fairly
> > clearly the case - then you have a choice to either listen to the
> > users and invite them to submit alternative designs or choose the
> > same semi-closed myopic design-agenda the art currently has. 
> 
> There also have been many saying that Ubuntu should stay away from
> blue.  Cool, let's rule out brown and blue!
> 

fine by me. we'd be evidencing a disappointing lack of imagination if
green, blue and brown based palettes described our world of possible
choices.

> 
> > Ken is approaching all this with real clarity i think: not too big
> > to ignore the fact that if one wildly impossible mockup on a forum
> > by a non-list-member receives 19 pages of praise, it deserves
> > consideration and consequent feasible response.
> 
> What exactly would there be to consider, regarding that mockup?  I
> thought a "bulk of users simply don't like brown"?  You call it
> "wildly impossible" yourself.  Not to forget that it shows no windows,
> no widgets. It's easy to do a clean and consistent design if you leave
> everything out.
> 

as the comments in those pages make clear, they just like the colours
and the overall design continuity. admittedly they also like the
impossible 'dock' like menu. why expect users to be profound on the
topic, let alone thinking in terms of what is and isn't feasible? all
they know is that they like it - and that's as good a start as any IMO.

> 
> > this approach has worked brilliantly for other aspects of the Ubuntu
> > project and there's no reason it can't work as well here. comparing
> > Apple's design agenda to that of Ubuntu is absurd: this is a
> > volunteer project remember, made by people for people. two fish with
> > vastly different budgets and histories.
> 
> Somewhat true. But should we aim low because of that?
> 

are the standards of Ubuntu users low? i don't think so. 

they /are/ the 'target audience' remember. without them and their
opinions this whole conversation - and the questions it raises - is
sheer solipsism. 

aiming high, in my opinion, is developing a design that
more-than-satisfies a supposed majority of Ubuntu using public. until we
know what it is most Ubuntu users actually want, we cannot have a clear design 
charter. 

to these ends, we need to create a central context for users to vote and
comment on designs/mockups in an attempt to determine the broadest
trends/vectors of opinion and of taste. 

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Who is our target audience?

[Ken Vermette]

On Dec 27, 2007 5:45 AM, Thorsten Wilms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> On Thu, 2007-12-27 at 14:01 +0100, julian wrote:
>
> > as i've said earlier, i'm into the idea of a public vote on mockups (and
> > including the current theme) made by list members within the first two
> > 6-8 weeks of each release cycle. i think most of the time ubuntu-art is
> > shooting in the dark, so to speak, where envisaging a best-fit default
> > theme is concerned; choosing externally asserted design agendas over
> > plentiful public/user opinion.
>
> With 'public' votes, you can only reach an internet-affine,
> high-interest part of users. Hardly anyone who's just a potential, not
> current user. Hardly anyone who just has better things to do.
>
> Plus forum (list and chat) dwellers can't be expected to care about
> marketing/branding and about the needs and wishes of other people that
> aren't represented directly.
>
> I don't care much about how people on the forum would vote. Such a vote
> doesn't even transport full opinions. I care about informed opinions and
> decisions.
>
> Input on the forum can be nice for tweaking details, but that's pretty
> much it.
>
>
I'm against votes as well; There fundamentally flawed. If there are 3
choices that are all bad, why force users to make a bad choice. We'll know
the best of the worst choices, but it will still be bad.

Now you could say people need a place where they can openly comment and
debate the designs, but then you get the forums - where people bicker, get
ostracized, and leave. Every topic I read has some prick  saying "that
design is horrible".

The most dependable source, I believe, is blogs, journals, news and review
websites. They actively disassemble every single detail. They tell us what's
wrong because it's in their interest to tell their users what to expect. If
a blog is critical of our look & feel, and it winds up on Google, it means
because people are linking and reading it. Google works on links, which is
essentially an internet-wide vote. How perfect is that?


>
> > at which point are we allowing - and encouraging - Ubuntu users to feed
> > back into the design process? i don't see a channel for that.
>
> People who want to get involved can come here and find information on
> the wiki. Now that everyone doing so is left in the situation we are -
> that is a problem. As things are, we have to wait for further direction
> while a lot of water went down the river already.
>
>
The wiki is for contributions, and the Mailing list is hardcore. Forums are
the most public space we have for comments. Overall if you're feeding back
into the design process at even one of these avenues, it's likely that
you're being watched and noted.


>
> > the question "who is our target audience" makes little sense to these
> > ends, i think. Ubuntu is a freely distributable operating system made
> > with the ends of being as 'generally useful' (whatever that means) to as
> > many people as possible. the 'target audience' is whoever is using
> > Ubuntu and, as such, their thoughts on the artwork ought to be
> > considered with sincerity accordingly. if Ubuntu-art has a target
> > audience, then Ubuntu itself must have a target audience - something
> > i've never seen Canonical define (and thankfully so).
>
> I do see the problem with a diverse audience. But current users and
> target audience are not the same thing.
> Ever considered to target users who don't use Ubuntu yet?
> Especially those who will not change the appearance defaults for the
> sake of changing them anyway?
>
>
The problem with trying to remain diverse is the same if you try to butter
too much bread. You'll become thin and bland.

My personal opinion is to satisfy who you've got first, and try to expand
with the leeway you've got. It would be better to get glowing reviews from a
smaller crowd and slowly grow, than try to make it focused for some else who
won't hear about it. Even still, both of those options are better than
having a mud-project that even makes loyalists nervous.


>
> > > There also have been many saying that Ubuntu should stay away from
> > > blue.  Cool, let's rule out brown and blue!
> > >
> >
> > fine by me. we'd be evidencing a disappointing lack of imagination if
> > green, blue and brown based palettes described our world of possible
> > choices.
>
> This is just silly.
>
>
If we go with what's "cool" at the time, then we blend into the crowd. If we
go with what's unique, were ostracized.

... This is why all new suburban homes have white walls.


>
> > as the comments in those pages make clear, they just like the colours
> > and the overall design continuity. admittedly they also like the
> > impossible 'dock' like menu. why expect users to be profound on the
> > topic, let alone thinking in terms of what is and isn't feasible? all
> > they know is that they like it - and that's as good a start as any IMO.
>
> Sure. They like the colour (i wouldn't make that a plural). Must be the
> same ma

Re: [ubuntu-art] Ubuntu Mockup

[sylvain marc]

Verry interesting

2007/12/22, AA Boy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> The wiki page is now up:
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/DarkBrown
>
> Smartboy
>
> On 12/21/07, AA Boy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > People, just to let you know, my mockups moved to 
> > http://www.smartboy.salocinlinux.org/db/Ubuntu%20Hardy%20Mockups/
> >
> >
> > Also, I finished the major work on my
> > mockups. I may work on lowering font sizes and such. Here is the latest 
> > version:
> >
> >
> > http://www.smartboy.salocinlinux.org/db/Ubuntu%20Hardy%20Mockups/ubuntu-mockup4.png
> > I also made some with alternate wallpapers:
> >
> > http://www.smartboy.salocinlinux.org/db/Ubuntu%20Hardy%20Mockups/ubuntu-mockup4-alternate1.png
> >
> > http://www.smartboy.salocinlinux.org/db/Ubuntu%20Hardy%20Mockups/ubuntu-mockup4-alternate2.png
> > http://www.smartboy.salocinlinux.org/db/Ubuntu%20Hardy%20Mockups/ubuntu-mockup4-alternate3.png
> >
> >
> > I am going to make a wiki page for my stuff soon.
> >
> > On 12/21/07, sylvain marc <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
> >
> > >  i've seen interesting things on this list...
> > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/Hardline
> > > http://www.smartboy.salocinlinux.org/db/ubuntu-mockup2.png
> > >
> > >
> > > 2007/12/20, xl cheese < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > > >
> > > > You can make prelights for inactive windows so there's no extra
> > > > click involved.
> > > >
> > > > I think having the plain "_ O X" without any button borders except
> > > > for prelights looks nice and clean.  I did that in this theme:
> > > > http://www.gnome-look.org/CONTENT/content-pre1/71800-1.jpg
> > > >
> > > > I may play with the idea of not having any visible metacity buttons
> > > > until a mouse over and see how it feels in a real theme.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > To: ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com
> > > > > Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 18:20:19 +0100
> > > > > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] Ubuntu Mockup
> > > > >
> > > > > > i like the idea of having no visible Minimise/Maximise/Close
> > > > buttons
> > > > > > when a window is inactive.. this reduces the graphical
> > > > complexity of the
> > > > > > desktop - something that should be encouraged where possible.
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't think it's a very good idea, since it adds an extra click
> > > > in case I
> > > > > want to minimize, maximiza or close an inactive window. Instead of
> > > > beeing
> > > > > hidden, the buttons should be grayed/faded to reduce the graphical
> > > >
> > > > > complexity ot the desktop, but they must sill be visible.
> > > > >
> > > > > Molumen
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > - Original Message -
> > > > > From: "Julian Oliver" < [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > To: "Discussion on Ubuntu artwork" 
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 12:49 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] Ubuntu Mockup
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > ..on or around Wed, Dec 19, 2007 at 01:10:13AM +0100, Thomas 
> > > > > > L.Gsaid:
> > > > > >> Oh well since we're all mocking up now, let me throw in a
> > > > suggestion as
> > > > > >> well:
> > > > > >> http://www.portefolje.net/div/mockup.jpg
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Based on Ken's suggestion on this list. Some modifications
> > > > (darker top
> > > > > >> area + some reflection, hover, consistent menus, dark
> > > > notifications with
> > > > > >> some reflection). Another wallpaper (stock-image from sxc.hu),
> > > > and
> > > > > >> another top-panel. Please ignore the ugly notification-icons at
> > > > top
> > > > > >> right and other glitches - it is all just photoshop mocking!
> > > > Also, I
> > > > > >> didn't make any minimize/maximize-icons yet, I really don't
> > > > think we
> > > > > >> should use the Vista-like ones...
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > hehe, i thought the absense of buttons was deliberate.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > i like the idea of having no visible Minimise/Maximise/Close
> > > > buttons
> > > > > > when a window is inactive.. this reduces the graphical
> > > > complexity of the
> > > > > > desktop - something that should be encouraged where possible.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > this of course would require that they become active on a
> > > > mouse-over
> > > > > > event without bringing that whole window into focus. perhaps
> > > > impossible
> > > > > > in the current windowing context.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > cheers,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > julian
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > http://julianoliver.com
> > > > > > http://selectparks.net
> > > > > > emails containing HTML will not be read.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> AA Boy skrev:
> > > > > >> > Oops, for some reason teh link got deleted. Oh well, here it
> > > > is again!
> > > > > >> > :D
> > > > > >> > http://www.smartboy.salocinlinux.org/db/ubuntu-mockup.png
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > On 12/18/07, *Corey Woodworth* < [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > >> > 

Re: [ubuntu-art] GDM/Emerald suggestion

[sylvain marc]

Extra this theme !

2007/12/22, Jonathan Motes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> One of the most useful tools that I've used since I've started using Linux
> (coming from Windows) is the window "always-on-top" feature. However, I had
> been using Linux for several months before I discovered it.
>
> I found this emerald 
> themeon
> gnomelook.org that has a button to the left to set a window to be
> "always-on-top". I find it extremely useful and I would like to see
> something similar included in Hardy's theme.
>
> I don't know much about the capabilities of GDM themes and if this could
> be implemented. I suppose that even if Hardy included an emerald theme the
> GDM theme would have to have the same functionality and layout.
>
> I hope this is the correct place to make these kinds of suggestions. If
> not, could someone point me in the right direction?
>
> Thanks,
> Jonathan
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Re: [ubuntu-art] my oppinions and a theme idea (mock up)

[sylvain marc]

verry good !

2007/12/23, Max Tristen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> hi people :) i subscribed to the mailing list a week or 2 ago and have
> been following it with alot of interest. i like the direction that the
> Hardline theme is taking, it feels more finished and professional to me.
>
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/Hardline
>
> tbh I'm not a great lover of the current version of the theme.. it has
> some nice features but they just lacking the finish off which they require.
>
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/BasicIdeals
>
> its too heavy and it feels like an effort just to look at it.. i don't
> think the colours in the background the buttons works, they're would be
> better to have a main colour theme not to try mixing other colour themes
> with the browns of Ubuntu. i do however like this trend of mixing the top
> bar of windows with the menu bar, that looks very sexy, and that what i
> think we need to do to the Ubuntu theme, we have to make it sexy. its is one
> of the main factors which would persuade people to convert to ubuntu. oh
> another this I'm not too fond of is the amount of curves most of these mock
> ups seem to have. its a bit too much for me! REMEMBER! if you round all your
> corners then you loose your edge!
>
> I've made a mock up of what i think would look sexy as a default theme.
>
> i tried to make my own alternative hardy theme wiki page but it wasn't
> happening, so instead you can find mine at..
>
> http://www.unknowndomain.co.uk/uploader/files/6/hardyheron..jpg
>
> http://www.unknowndomain.co.uk/uploader/files/6/hardyheron2.jpg
>
> you can contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or at
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> i would love to hear you feed back people :)
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Re: [ubuntu-art] GDM/Emerald suggestion

[Jonathan Motes]

Just a correction to my e-mail: I meant "Metacity" when I said GDM. I'm
still learning about Linux and things sometimes get confusing. Sorry about
that!

On Dec 27, 2007 5:30 PM, sylvain marc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Extra this theme !
>
> 2007/12/22, Jonathan Motes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> > One of the most useful tools that I've used since I've started using
> > Linux (coming from Windows) is the window "always-on-top" feature. However,
> > I had been using Linux for several months before I discovered it.
> >
> > I found this emerald 
> > themeon
> > gnomelook.org that has a button to the left to set a window to be
> > "always-on-top". I find it extremely useful and I would like to see
> > something similar included in Hardy's theme.
> >
> > I don't know much about the capabilities of GDM themes and if this could
> > be implemented. I suppose that even if Hardy included an emerald theme the
> > GDM theme would have to have the same functionality and layout.
> >
> > I hope this is the correct place to make these kinds of suggestions. If
> > not, could someone point me in the right direction?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jonathan
> >
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Who is our target audience?

[julian]

..on Thu, Dec 27, 2007 at 01:59:53PM -0800, Ken Vermette wrote:
> On Dec 27, 2007 5:45 AM, Thorsten Wilms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >
> > On Thu, 2007-12-27 at 14:01 +0100, julian wrote:
> >
> > > as i've said earlier, i'm into the idea of a public vote on mockups (and
> > > including the current theme) made by list members within the first two
> > > 6-8 weeks of each release cycle. i think most of the time ubuntu-art is
> > > shooting in the dark, so to speak, where envisaging a best-fit default
> > > theme is concerned; choosing externally asserted design agendas over
> > > plentiful public/user opinion.
> >
> > With 'public' votes, you can only reach an internet-affine,
> > high-interest part of users. Hardly anyone who's just a potential, not
> > current user. Hardly anyone who just has better things to do.
> >
> > Plus forum (list and chat) dwellers can't be expected to care about
> > marketing/branding and about the needs and wishes of other people that
> > aren't represented directly.
> >
> > I don't care much about how people on the forum would vote. Such a vote
> > doesn't even transport full opinions. I care about informed opinions and
> > decisions.
> >
> > Input on the forum can be nice for tweaking details, but that's pretty
> > much it.
> >
> >
> I'm against votes as well; There fundamentally flawed. If there are 3
> choices that are all bad, why force users to make a bad choice. We'll know
> the best of the worst choices, but it will still be bad.
> 

votes are always 'flawed', just as any democracy is: the so-called right
are more statistically like to vote, a vocal minority on the internet is
likely to dominate an opinion channel.

nonetheless i think it's important to not be too black and white about
this. 

at present we have incidental, contingent feedback, rather than a
directed context for Ubuntu users to suggest mockups and express
criticism. of course there will be organised bias and abuse - just as
there is anywhere opinion finds voice on the internet - but it is still
better than the patchy guesswork we have now. it's clear from reading 
comments in forums that many who suggest mockups aren't even aware of 
this mailing list. 

even mockups to this list are distributed across several wikis and sites 
in a way that is not productive when getting a sense of the overall scope 
of contributed designs.

what i'm talking about is not too dissimilar from this:

http://gimp-brainstorm.blogspot.com/

.. but with comments and a section dedicated to feasible default theme
candidates. a rating system may be useful also, though not as a statistically 
deterministic guide. 

even if due to sheer numbers of submissions many are unseen and/or
ignored, i'm sure we'd see inspired contributions that would only
positively stimulate the design directions taken by contributors to this 
list.

how would this not be generally useful, all things considered?

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Who is our target audience?

[Thomas L.G]

I think we should do some forum vote. Not to make the whole decision, 
but as a guideline. Ubuntuforums is rather big, so the feedback would 
probably be pretty good as well. From "noobs" to "geeks"...

Also, in some time, we should have some prototype, and be able to test 
it on target users, and determine their response, how well it works for 
solving standard tasks etc. That's what Microsoft and Apple and others 
probably do. Testing it on ourselves, even if we are many in numbers, 
can make us blind for some important usability issues. Therefore I say 
we need some sort of qualitative testing on certain subjects :)

- Thomas L.G

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Who is our target audience?

[Cory K.]

julian wrote:
> even mockups to this list are distributed across several wikis and sites 
> in a way that is not productive when getting a sense of the overall scope 
> of contributed designs.
>
> what i'm talking about is not too dissimilar from this:
>
>   http://gimp-brainstorm.blogspot.com/
>
> .. but with comments and a section dedicated to feasible default theme
> candidates. a rating system may be useful also, though not as a statistically 
> deterministic guide. 
>
> even if due to sheer numbers of submissions many are unseen and/or
> ignored, i'm sure we'd see inspired contributions that would only
> positively stimulate the design directions taken by contributors to this 
> list.
>
> how would this not be generally useful, all things considered?
>   


This is honestly just adding to the quagmire here. The people that use
the other places like wiki's wont move to yet another site. The wiki has
_always_ been _the_ place for official submissions/work. People have
taken it upon themselves to move it away from that. Adding another
option isn't the way to go.

Back to the topic...

The "general user" is our audience and as that is too broad to try to
please. A "concept" would be best to define and go with that. Hopefully,
we hear something on that soon.

-Cory \m/

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