[ubuntu-art] A random user's interface thoughts.

[Raphael Bosshard]

Hello there!

Being an Ubuntu user since the very first minute, I feel very
comfortable with the default brown of Ubuntu. But since there is a
small but vocal group demanding a change of direction, I guess that
change is inevitable. And maybe that change is for the better, who
knows? Still, there are some issues I'd like to voice my opinion
about. I've been reading the list-archive, but I don't know if I'm
up-to-date on all issues. So please forgive me if I list topics that
are already outdated or were a final conclusion has been reached. :)

Issues:

 == Black/Dark Theme ==
This is something I'm very sceptic about; I've tried dark themes in my
unencumbered youth and also on Medibuntu, but soon found myself
switching back to "normal" themes again. Dark themes tend to strain my
eyes and I need breaks more often. Gray and clear tones go along with
many colours, black is a little bit more selective about its friends.
But this may be personal preference, who knows.

 == Orange and Black ==
While the orange/black design studies in the wiki definitely look
/cool/, I'm not so sure that it would work for a user interface. Black
and orange is a good combination if you want to attract attention, but
that's not necessary the case for a user interface. Orange is a signal
colour, along with yellow and red. I don't reckon it's a good idea to
use those colours as primary colours in a user interface. (At least
that's my opinion)


 == Themes and Styles ==
While browsing through the proposals in the mailing list I have seen
some excellent ideas for a new default theme for Ubuntu. And along the
while I created my own list of things important to me. Those things
are as following:
 - easy on the eyes
 - uncluttered interface / no unnecessary widget distinctions
 - easy to read fg/bg colour combination

Of all the proposals I've seen in the list,
http://guentherbeyer.de/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/ubuntu_804_theme_test_04_2.png
comes closest to what I would Ubuntu to look like in the future; its
clean, elegant, uncluttered and yet informative. It isn't brown, yes,
true.


To be honest; I don't care to much about fancy and bling and glossy
and shiny. I just want a user interface I can work with all day long
and through the night. But then again; Ubuntu has never let me down
and I'm sure it won't do that in the future. :D

So long,
Raphael

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[ubuntu-art] Little help for creating throbbers.

[Cory K.]

A user of Ubuntu Studio suggested we change the throbber that appears on
the upper right of Nautilus.

The throbbers are part of a icon set. I started looking into it and came
up with a way to automate it for myself and now I'm sharing.

So download then extract this archive and look over the README. You
should get the idea. http://sinecera.de/throbbers.tar.gz Thanx to kwwii
for hosting.

-Cory \m/

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Dark Themes Again

[Matthew Nuzum]

On Nov 28, 2007 12:15 AM, Who <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> - also power consumption is potentially higher for
> LCDs doing dark themes. One day I'll do some kind of benchmark,
> perhaps...
>

In theory LCDs use more energy to show a black pixel than a white, but you
will be hard pressed to measure a difference. I've seen some people try and
the equipment readily available can't measure a diff.

All of your other points are awesome, btw. I'm back to the normal human
theme after about a month of using dark themes. In large part because the
dark themes need more polish.

Regarding another comment about dark rooms and light backgrounds, every
monitor I've seen, LCD or CRT, has a readily accessible feature for dimming
the screen.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Little help for creating throbbers.

[Lasse Havelund]

Nice-looking script, man---well done :)

- Lasse

On Wed, 2007-11-28 at 09:57 -0500, Cory K. wrote:
> A user of Ubuntu Studio suggested we change the throbber that appears on
> the upper right of Nautilus.
> 
> The throbbers are part of a icon set. I started looking into it and came
> up with a way to automate it for myself and now I'm sharing.
> 
> So download then extract this archive and look over the README. You
> should get the idea. http://sinecera.de/throbbers.tar.gz Thanx to kwwii
> for hosting.
> 
> -Cory \m/
> 


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Re: [ubuntu-art] yet another mockup (greenish one)

[Alper Beser]

Ok guys,
here comes the tiny update:

http://www1.picfront.org/picture/86F7OREDY4L/img/mockup5copy.jpg

due to the lack of time, i couldnt do more than this in the past few days,
but i hope that the concept so far is distinguishable...
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Re: [ubuntu-art] yet another mockup (greenish one)

[Joseph P. May]

Are you kidding Me, It's a HUGE improvement


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[ubuntu-art] Technical reality based concept art.

[Cory K.]

Is it just me or does it seem that some people don't know the technical
limitations in dealing with GNOME and such?

I love some of the concepts don't get me wrong, but I just feel we need
to let people know a little more what can and can't be currently done. I
would hate to see someone put so much effort into something that can be
done.

Maybe we should have a page with technical links?

-Cory \m/

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Technical reality based concept art.

[Cory K.]

Correction.

Cory K. wrote:
> I
> would hate to see someone put so much effort into something that *can't* be
> done.
>   

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[ubuntu-art] Icon theme suggestion

[Dwight Shepherd]

Hey check out this icon theme. I dont think its too glossy. This seems to be
right up Hardy's ally.

What do you guys think?

http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Blangerine?content=70165
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Dark Themes Again

[Thomas L.G]

Hi,
I'm new to this mailing-list, but I'm interested in how the new Ubuntu 
will take shape. I have been using Ubuntu 7.04 and 7.10 for some months 
now, and I'm very happy with it.

However, I think the brown standard theme of today looks terrible... If 
I couldn't customize it, I would probably switch to Fedora or something 
just because of that...

I would prefer a theme which uses shades of light-grey, with a little 
tint of color in it (blue?). If you use that as a "base", you can add a 
color to it, probably orange for Ubuntu. If you take a look at my 
current desktop, you can see how I use the shades of grey, a bit of 
black, and green. If you switched the green for orange, that would be 
more what I would like to see for Ubuntu (of course without my conky, 
custom menu-button etc...):
http://www.portefolje.net/div/nautilus.png

And I also believe it's a good idea to provide a dark theme. Personally 
I don't use dark themes much, although it does happen, but I know people 
who do use it. It should be the user's choice...

Thanks!
- Thomas L.G

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Technical reality based concept art.

[xl cheese]

Good idea, but I would not want to put a cap on thinking outside of the box.
 
We can update engines to do what we want, but the engines are limited by gnome. 
 Otherwise we need to put pressure on gnome to create/modify features.



> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 11:46:40 -0500> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 
> ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] Technical reality 
> based concept art.> > Correction.> > Cory K. wrote:> > I> > would hate to see 
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[ubuntu-art] Notification Area Icons

[Dwight Shepherd]

I have been reading the mailing list and the idea has popped up from time to
time that we move away from the coloured icons in the notification area.

and I stumbled upon this.
http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Weather+Replacement+Icons?content=70662

I like the way the icons looked look "etched out".  Any other opinions?
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Dark Themes Again

[xl cheese]

How about one theme that does both?
 
As long as we follow the format from the new clearlooks theme the colors can be 
customized from the appearance manager.
 
I revised the human theme to do this here  (also included parts of the new 
clearlooks engine for tabs, menubars and toolbars.)
 
http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Human+w%2Bgummy+clearlooks.++?content=67957
 
Perhaps gutsy could use this and make an update to the human theme?


Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:17:56 -0600From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]: Re: [ubuntu-art] Dark Themes AgainOn Nov 28, 2007 12:15 AM, Who 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

- also power consumption is potentially higher forLCDs doing dark themes. One 
day I'll do some kind of benchmark,perhaps...In theory LCDs use more energy to 
show a black pixel than a white, but you will be hard pressed to measure a 
difference. I've seen some people try and the equipment readily available can't 
measure a diff. All of your other points are awesome, btw. I'm back to the 
normal human theme after about a month of using dark themes. In large part 
because the dark themes need more polish.Regarding another comment about dark 
rooms and light backgrounds, every monitor I've seen, LCD or CRT, has a readily 
accessible feature for dimming the screen. -- Matthew Nuzumnewz2000 on freenode 
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Icon theme suggestion

[Jonathan Motes]

I was thinking the same thing. I think it captivates the orange and black
scheme well.

On Nov 28, 2007 11:36 AM, Dwight Shepherd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hey check out this icon theme. I dont think its too glossy. This seems to
> be right up Hardy's ally.
>
> What do you guys think?
>
> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Blangerine?content=70165
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Technical reality based concept art.

[Iacopo Masi]

Well said!
Well said!
Stop mockup!
Let's code.

On 11/28/07, Cory K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is it just me or does it seem that some people don't know the technical
> limitations in dealing with GNOME and such?
>
> I love some of the concepts don't get me wrong, but I just feel we need
> to let people know a little more what can and can't be currently done. I
> would hate to see someone put so much effort into something that can be
> done.
>
> Maybe we should have a page with technical links?
>
> -Cory \m/
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Technical reality based concept art.

[Cory K.]

Please everyone don't take this off topic. Does anyone know some good
links to post to use as reference? Things that are possible within GNOME
now?

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Icon theme suggestion

[Dalton Miyabara]

Wow,

I really like these icons. The glossy one´s are the things that "look glossy" 
in real life, like the monitor
and the folder.

So, I guess that this iconset fits with the "tango rules".


Cheers,
Dalton



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Assunto: [ubuntu-art] Icon theme suggestion

> Hey check out this icon theme. I dont think its too glossy. This seems to be
> right up Hardy's ally.
> 
> What do you guys think?
> 
> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Blangerine?content=70165
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Technical reality based concept art.

[Kenneth Wimer]

Hi,

Before we go rushing off into a poll thought I might clear things up.

On Wednesday 28 November 2007 19:46:09 julian wrote:
> regardless, that will only take us toward a slightly more practical place
> than we're at now: we still have to decide on what theme we work toward and
> i don't see consolidated agreement on that happening on this list in the
> near future.
>
> for this reason i'd like to see a 7-day public poll on ~10 mockups selected
> this list, looking beyond the scope of Ubuntu-art.

Feel free to have any polls you want for the community based artwork.

However, the default artwork in the distribution will be based strictly on a 
well defined art direction which will be ready by the end of next week 
sometime.

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> advertise the poll on ubuntu-user related lists, digg it etc. at least
> then we'd have some real basis for determining what people that already
> use Ubuntu (and perhaps a few of those that don't) really want in a
> theme. i think we should open up this process.
>
> for instance this theme got over a thousand diggs by Ubuntu fans
> recently:
>
>   http://blog.slyon.de/?p=154
>
> we should listen to this stuff i think.
>
> perhaps Mark S. can select the mockups to be voted on from a page we
> provide him?
>
> cheers,
>
> julian
>
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> > On 11/28/07, Cory K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Is it just me or does it seem that some people don't know the technical
> > > limitations in dealing with GNOME and such?
> > >
> > > I love some of the concepts don't get me wrong, but I just feel we need
> > > to let people know a little more what can and can't be currently done.
> > > I would hate to see someone put so much effort into something that can
> > > be done.
> > >
> > > Maybe we should have a page with technical links?
> > >
> > > -Cory \m/
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Re: [ubuntu-art] A random user's interface thoughts.

[Kenneth Wimer]

On Wednesday 28 November 2007 19:45:33 Álvaro Medina Ballester wrote:
> I think that the problem is that "coming soon". The guidelines, in my
> opinion, are the firts thing that we have to create. Maybe I'm wrong and
> this brainstorming will deliever consistent guidelines, but I think that
> this is not what we're doing now, really?

All that we should be doing now is creating rough ideas. From those ideas a 
distinct and well formed art direction will be decided upon and should be 
ready by the end of next week or around there.


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Re: [ubuntu-art] Notification Area Icons

[Álvaro Medina Ballester]

This is a great idea. Notification area should be something like that, maybe
not too "Leopardish" as those weather icons.

2007/11/28, Dwight Shepherd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> I have been reading the mailing list and the idea has popped up from time
> to time that we move away from the coloured icons in the notification area.
>
> and I stumbled upon this.
> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Weather+Replacement+Icons?content=70662
>
> I like the way the icons looked look "etched out".  Any other opinions?
>
>
>
>
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Technical reality based concept art.

[julian]

..on Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 07:16:11PM +0100, Iacopo Masi wrote:
> Well said!
> Well said!
> Stop mockup!
> Let's code.

code towards what? 

if you have ideas and would rather demonstrate them with actual working
themes then that is of course great. make it and take a screenshot and/or 
upload the theme. 

regardless, that will only take us toward a slightly more practical place than 
we're at now: we still have to decide on what theme we work toward and i don't 
see consolidated agreement on that happening on this list in the near future. 

for this reason i'd like to see a 7-day public poll on ~10 mockups selected 
this list, looking beyond the scope of Ubuntu-art. 

advertise the poll on ubuntu-user related lists, digg it etc. at least 
then we'd have some real basis for determining what people that already
use Ubuntu (and perhaps a few of those that don't) really want in a 
theme. i think we should open up this process.

for instance this theme got over a thousand diggs by Ubuntu fans
recently:

http://blog.slyon.de/?p=154

we should listen to this stuff i think.

perhaps Mark S. can select the mockups to be voted on from a page we 
provide him?

cheers,

julian

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> On 11/28/07, Cory K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Is it just me or does it seem that some people don't know the technical
> > limitations in dealing with GNOME and such?
> >
> > I love some of the concepts don't get me wrong, but I just feel we need
> > to let people know a little more what can and can't be currently done. I
> > would hate to see someone put so much effort into something that can be
> > done.
> >
> > Maybe we should have a page with technical links?
> >
> > -Cory \m/
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Technical reality based concept art.

[Cory K.]

Álvaro Medina Ballester wrote:
>
>
> 2007/11/28, Cory K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >:
>
> Please everyone don't take this off topic. Does anyone know some good
> links to post to use as reference? Things that are possible within
> GNOME
> now?
>
>
> If your asking for ideas, lyrae
> 
> has a lot of great ideas. 
>
>  
>
> -- 
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No. Read back to the start of the thread.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Notification Area Icons

[Kenneth Wimer]

Hi,

We have plans to do pretty much the same thing that you suggest. Depending on 
what comes out of the art direction meeting a week from today we might just 
make your dream come true.

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On Wednesday 28 November 2007 18:50:28 Dwight Shepherd wrote:
> I have been reading the mailing list and the idea has popped up from time
> to time that we move away from the coloured icons in the notification area.
>
> and I stumbled upon this.
> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Weather+Replacement+Icons?conten
>t=70662
>
> I like the way the icons looked look "etched out".  Any other opinions?

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Icon theme suggestion

[Álvaro Medina Ballester]

As I said before, we should use the power of the colours to bring a
"easy-to-use/easy-to-recognize user experience". Folders, should have the
same colour, labels should use the same colour as folders but with a
different tone, devices should use the same colour too, to associate colours
and shapes to an app, actions, folders, devices... but I think that bringing
the distro icons just in 3 colours is not usable.
It's harder to find the functionality if every icons has only 3 colours.


2007/11/28, Corey Woodworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> I like it a lot. I would prefer a less cartoony style and weaker line
> weights, but the colors are great!
>
> On Nov 28, 2007 1:15 PM, Dalton Miyabara <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
>
> > Wow,
> >
> > I really like these icons. The glossy one´s are the things that "look
> > glossy" in real life, like the monitor
> > and the folder.
> >
> > So, I guess that this iconset fits with the "tango rules".
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Dalton
> >
> >
> >
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> > Data: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:36:38 -0500
> > Assunto: [ubuntu-art] Icon theme suggestion
> >
> > > Hey check out this icon theme. I dont think its too glossy. This seems
> > to be
> > > right up Hardy's ally.
> > >
> > > What do you guys think?
> > >
> > > http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Blangerine?content=70165
> > >
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Icon theme suggestion

[Corey Woodworth]

I like it a lot. I would prefer a less cartoony style and weaker line
weights, but the colors are great!

On Nov 28, 2007 1:15 PM, Dalton Miyabara <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Wow,
>
> I really like these icons. The glossy one´s are the things that "look
> glossy" in real life, like the monitor
> and the folder.
>
> So, I guess that this iconset fits with the "tango rules".
>
>
> Cheers,
> Dalton
>
>
>
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>
> De: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Para: ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com
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> Data: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 12:36:38 -0500
> Assunto: [ubuntu-art] Icon theme suggestion
>
> > Hey check out this icon theme. I dont think its too glossy. This seems
> to be
> > right up Hardy's ally.
> >
> > What do you guys think?
> >
> > http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Blangerine?content=70165
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Technical reality based concept art.

[Álvaro Medina Ballester]

2007/11/28, Cory K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> Please everyone don't take this off topic. Does anyone know some good
> links to post to use as reference? Things that are possible within GNOME
> now?


If your asking for ideas,
lyraehas
a lot of great ideas.



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Re: [ubuntu-art] A random user's interface thoughts.

[Álvaro Medina Ballester]

>
> Of all the proposals I've seen in the list,
>
> http://guentherbeyer.de/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/ubuntu_804_theme_test_04_2.png
> comes closest to what I would Ubuntu to look like in the future; its
> clean, elegant, uncluttered and yet informative. It isn't brown, yes,
> true.



Yes, that theme is great but delievers an inconsistent user interface
because the title bar is used to move the windows, so they should be on a
distinct shade/colour.

Otherwise, I'm agree with some points you have exposed. The most important
is the black/orange. I don't find that a dark theme mixed with orange could
be the best choice for ubuntu artwork. And somebody said that a dark theme
would not work with all apps, so... I think we should drop the dark theme
idea.

I want to say something more or less related with the discussion about dark
theme. Have you ever seen the Ubuntu Studio artwork wiki page? I did a few
days ago, and it seems that the have some really important things very
clear. They have a pallete, guidelines, etc. But the Ubuntu default wiki
page has something under Guidelines:* **"**Be aware that anything not
following the official guidelines (coming soon) will not be eligible as a
default."*
I think that the problem is that "coming soon". The guidelines, in my
opinion, are the firts thing that we have to create. Maybe I'm wrong and
this brainstorming will deliever consistent guidelines, but I think that
this is not what we're doing now, really?

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Re: [ubuntu-art] A random user's interface thoughts.

[Matthew Nuzum]

On Nov 28, 2007 12:45 PM, Álvaro Medina Ballester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Yes, that theme is great but delievers an inconsistent user interface
> because the title bar is used to move the windows, so they should be on a
> distinct shade/colour.
>

This is an interesting point. The themes that use a continuous gradient from
the title bar down look so handsome, for example
http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/DarkCaramel?content=65652

But it can be very easy to miss the title bar when trying to grab. I don't
know if there's some way to add a bit of texture without interrupting the
gradient too much. Just enough to make it look grab-able.
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Technical reality based concept art.

[Álvaro Medina Ballester]

Yes, I've read all the discussion. I thought that we moved to another thing,
but we don't. Here you have some interesting links:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Documentation

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Official

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTitle

Hope this time we're talking about the same thing ;)

2007/11/28, Cory K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> Álvaro Medina Ballester wrote:
> >
> >
> > 2007/11/28, Cory K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >:
> >
> > Please everyone don't take this off topic. Does anyone know some
> good
> > links to post to use as reference? Things that are possible within
> > GNOME
> > now?
> >
> >
> > If your asking for ideas, lyrae
> > <
> http://www.gnome-look.org/usermanager/search.php?username=lyrae&action=contents
> >
> > has a lot of great ideas.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Álvaro.
>
> No. Read back to the start of the thread.
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Technical reality based concept art.

[Álvaro Medina Ballester]

Cory, in the first link (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Documentation) you
have a Theming section that links to the the same place that you have
posted, live.gnome.com/GnomeArt
;)

2007/11/28, Cory K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> Álvaro Medina Ballester wrote:
> > Hope this time we're talking about the same thing ;)
>
> Unfortunately no.
>
> Something more akin to this: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeArt/Tutorials
>
> How things are created and how they work.
>
> -Cory \m/
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Technical reality based concept art.

[Cory K.]

Álvaro Medina Ballester wrote:
> Hope this time we're talking about the same thing ;)

Unfortunately no.

Something more akin to this: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeArt/Tutorials

How things are created and how they work.

-Cory \m/

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Re: [ubuntu-art] A random user's interface thoughts.

[Álvaro Medina Ballester]

2007/11/28, Kenneth Wimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> All that we should be doing now is creating rough ideas. From those ideas
> a
> distinct and well formed art direction will be decided upon and should be
> ready by the end of next week or around there.
>

Great! so we're doing some brainstorming to get a direction. Thank you for
the explanation ;)


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Re: [ubuntu-art] Notification Area Icons

[Hylke Bons]

Why copy MacOS all the time?
The notification area isn't that bad right now, I think what looks ugly 
now is the inconsistent sizes and alignment.

Hylke


Kenneth Wimer wrote:
> Hi,
>
> We have plans to do pretty much the same thing that you suggest. Depending on 
> what comes out of the art direction meeting a week from today we might just 
> make your dream come true.
>
> --
> Ken
>
> On Wednesday 28 November 2007 18:50:28 Dwight Shepherd wrote:
>   
>> I have been reading the mailing list and the idea has popped up from time
>> to time that we move away from the coloured icons in the notification area.
>>
>> and I stumbled upon this.
>> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Weather+Replacement+Icons?conten
>> t=70662
>>
>> I like the way the icons looked look "etched out".  Any other opinions?
>> 
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[ubuntu-art] meeting on Saturday, 19:00 Etc/Gmt (20:00 CET)

[Kenneth Wimer]

The next artwork team meeting will take place on Saturday, December 1st at 
19:00 UTC.

Here are the topics so far:
    * art.ubuntu.com - ongoing work and plans
    * How best to roll out the art direction information and keep everyone up 
to date.
    * Setting up a flickr group with assigned tags, etc
* Variant(s) artwork: Kubuntu, Ubuntu-Studio, etc.
* Bug hunting

See you soon!

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Technical reality based concept art.

[Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen]

On 28/11/2007, Cory K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Álvaro Medina Ballester wrote:
> > Hope this time we're talking about the same thing ;)
>
> Unfortunately no.
>
> Something more akin to this: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeArt/Tutorials
>
> How things are created and how they work.


Cory, as much as I would like your idea about a reference doc on what can,
and what can't, be done in a Gnome theme - and what requires changes to
theme engines and/or metacity; I just don't think it can be done.

The documentation for what can be done with a theme engine would 99% likely
become so long and technical that no-one except die harders would read and
understand it. And by die harders I mean people who would have no problem
hacking up their own theme engine anyway.

Besides the stuff that is possible in theory might not be feasible to
implement for a LTS release like Hardy. Our theoretical documents would
become even longer and more technical if this important information was
added...

Alternative: Put some docs on the wiki that tells you howto make mockups
that makes it easy to spot impossible feats.

Here's how: Take of in a screenshot of an actual theme. Each time you do a
manual tweak add a red arrow and a little info-box saying "transparent
toolbar here". This way it would be trivial to pinpoint places that might be
of shady business.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Technical reality based concept art.

[Cory K.]

No. Im simply talking about a reference page with links to other docs.
Like Álvaro posted in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Documentation. Not
some mega doc we (kwwii) creates. ;)

-Cory

Mikkel Kamstrup Erlandsen wrote:
> On 28/11/2007, *Cory K.* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > wrote:
>
> Álvaro Medina Ballester wrote:
> > Hope this time we're talking about the same thing ;)
>
> Unfortunately no.
>
> Something more akin to this:
> http://live.gnome.org/GnomeArt/Tutorials
> 
>
> How things are created and how they work.
>
>
> Cory, as much as I would like your idea about a reference doc on what
> can, and what can't, be done in a Gnome theme - and what requires
> changes to theme engines and/or metacity; I just don't think it can be
> done.
>
> The documentation for what can be done with a theme engine would 99%
> likely become so long and technical that no-one except die harders
> would read and understand it. And by die harders I mean people who
> would have no problem hacking up their own theme engine anyway.
>
> Besides the stuff that is possible in theory might not be feasible to
> implement for a LTS release like Hardy. Our theoretical documents
> would become even longer and more technical if this important
> information was added...
>
> Alternative: Put some docs on the wiki that tells you howto make
> mockups that makes it easy to spot impossible feats.
>
> Here's how: Take of in a screenshot of an actual theme. Each time you
> do a manual tweak add a red arrow and a little info-box saying
> "transparent toolbar here". This way it would be trivial to pinpoint
> places that might be of shady business.
>
> Cheers,
> Mikkel

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Notification Area Icons

[Kenneth Wimer]

Here is a rough idea I made a week or so ago...
http://sinecera.de/panel_icons.png

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On Wednesday 28 November 2007 18:50:28 Dwight Shepherd wrote:
> I have been reading the mailing list and the idea has popped up from time
> to time that we move away from the coloured icons in the notification area.
>
> and I stumbled upon this.
> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Weather+Replacement+Icons?conten
>t=70662
>
> I like the way the icons looked look "etched out".  Any other opinions?

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Icon theme suggestion

[Daniel Moore]

Although artistically very talented I found them a bit too much for  
icons on a desktop. They draw too much attention, I also think the  
unflinching use of a few colours (orange I am talking about you)  
detracted a lot from the look of the icons.

You only want to find an icon when you need it, they don't all need  
to scream at you all of the time.

I think a few subtle changes could make this set workable though,  
thinner lines, more use of subdued, natural colours (colours that  
would be found in the real world object that the icon represents).

D.

On 29/11/2007, at 4:45 AM, Dalton Miyabara wrote:

> Wow,
>
> I really like these icons. The glossy one´s are the things that  
> "look glossy" in real life, like the monitor
> and the folder.
>
> So, I guess that this iconset fits with the "tango rules".
>
>
> Cheers,
> Dalton
>
>
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> Assunto: [ubuntu-art] Icon theme suggestion
>
>> Hey check out this icon theme. I dont think its too glossy. This  
>> seems to be
>> right up Hardy's ally.
>>
>> What do you guys think?
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Technical reality based concept art.

[Kenneth Wimer]

On Wednesday 28 November 2007 23:26:18 Cory K. wrote:
> No. Im simply talking about a reference page with links to other docs.
> Like Álvaro posted in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Documentation. Not
> some mega doc we (kwwii) creates. ;)

While such a "document" (I'd say book) would be helpful at times I doubt that 
it will ever exist. Making one would take a while and I bet that by the time 
you finished it you could turn around and start editing it to include the new 
features not to mention the basic changes to the existing infrastructure.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Technical reality based concept art.

[Álvaro Medina Ballester]

I think that with artwork documentation is enough.



El 28/11/2007, a las 23:48, Kenneth Wimer escribió:

> On Wednesday 28 November 2007 23:26:18 Cory K. wrote:
>> No. Im simply talking about a reference page with links to other  
>> docs.
>> Like Álvaro posted in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ 
>> Documentation. Not
>> some mega doc we (kwwii) creates. ;)
>
> While such a "document" (I'd say book) would be helpful at times I  
> doubt that
> it will ever exist. Making one would take a while and I bet that by  
> the time
> you finished it you could turn around and start editing it to  
> include the new
> features not to mention the basic changes to the existing  
> infrastructure.
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Notification Area Icons

[Toma]

Id would like to see how these icons hold up with a systray holding
gaim/amarok/whatever.
-Toma.

On 29/11/2007, Kenneth Wimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Here is a rough idea I made a week or so ago...
> http://sinecera.de/panel_icons.png
>
> --
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>
> On Wednesday 28 November 2007 18:50:28 Dwight Shepherd wrote:
> > I have been reading the mailing list and the idea has popped up from time
> > to time that we move away from the coloured icons in the notification area.
> >
> > and I stumbled upon this.
> > http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Weather+Replacement+Icons?conten
> >t=70662
> >
> > I like the way the icons looked look "etched out".  Any other opinions?
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