Re: [ubuntu-art] Members details

[Renjun Wang]

Very interesting.Hi all ,I am Renjun Wang,22 years old and living in
SiChuan, China.I speak Chinese and English.I was a web homepage designer in
my college time,and I began to use ubuntu about 1 year ago.Now I am not
frequent to GTK,QT etc.But I hope I can do some work for this mail list.
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Members details

[Álvaro Medina Ballester]

Hi this is Álvaro from Mallorca, Balearic Islands (Spain). I'm about to
finish computer science 1st degree and I'm starting 2nd degree (in Spain we
call technical engineering 1st degree and superior engineering 2nd degree, 3
and +2 years respectively). I'm 21 years old and I'm a Ubuntu and Mac OS X
user since 2004. I speak spanish, catalan and english. I think I can help
with usability and artwork, I use gimp and Inkscape.

Cheers.

2007/11/21, Renjun Wang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> Very interesting.Hi all ,I am Renjun Wang,22 years old and living in
> SiChuan, China.I speak Chinese and English.I was a web homepage designer
> in my college time,and I began to use ubuntu about 1 year ago.Now I am not
> frequent to GTK,QT etc.But I hope I can do some work for this mail list.
> thx:)
>
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Members details

[SzerencseFia]

Steph wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I just wanted to know from wich country is everybody here, and wich 
> language do you speak (might be useful). I thought about a new "Member 
> Page" on the Ubuntu Wiki, section Art, but maybe it's too private for 
> some of us ?
>
> I'm Steph, 17 years old and living in Montpellier, France.
>
> Your turn :)

I am known on my actor name and that is SzerencseFia, I am 34 years old 
Hungarian and I live in Oslo (in Norway) at the moment. I speak English, 
Hungarian, little bit Norwegian. I aim to contribute to Ubuntu ART work 
to make a new reality.

more about me:
https://launchpad.net/~szerencsefia
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Szerencsefia
http://szerencsefia.googlepages.com/
http://szerencsefia.deviantart.com/
http://www.gnome-look.org/usermanager/search.php?username=szerencsefia

e [szerencsefia]

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Members details

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Il giorno mer, 21/11/2007 alle 23.15 +, Justin Gruenberg ha scritto:
> On Nov 21, 2007 1:38 PM, Steph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I just wanted to know from wich country is everybody here, and wich language
> > do you speak (might be useful). I thought about a new "Member Page" on the
> > Ubuntu Wiki, section Art, but maybe it's too private for some of us ?
> >
> > I'm Steph, 17 years old and living in Montpellier, France.
> >
> > Your turn :)
> 
> 
> Justin, and mostly lurking 21 and all over the Midwest, USA.
> Minnesota, Wisconsin (my "official home", Michigan.
> 
> Very cool to see that this list has a very diverse membership.
> 

Hi, i'm Gino, 26yo and living in Sicily, Italy :-)


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Re: [ubuntu-art] Members details

[xl cheese]

Wes Hayslip, 31, Austin, TX USA.
 
Engineer by trade.  I currently work at a place called IDT.  Used to be 
sigmatel.  We make the audio codecs in most of the big brand PC's and laptops.



> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com> Date: Wed, 21 Nov 
> 2007 13:21:51 +0100> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] Members details> > > Il giorno 
> mer, 21/11/2007 alle 23.15 +, Justin Gruenberg ha scritto:> > On Nov 21, 
> 2007 1:38 PM, Steph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > > Hi all,> > >> > > I just 
> wanted to know from wich country is everybody here, and wich language> > > do 
> you speak (might be useful). I thought about a new "Member Page" on the> > > 
> Ubuntu Wiki, section Art, but maybe it's too private for some of us ?> > >> > 
> > I'm Steph, 17 years old and living in Montpellier, France.> > >> > > Your 
> turn :)> > > > > > Justin, and mostly lurking 21 and all over the 
> Midwest, USA.> > Minnesota, Wisconsin (my "official home", Michigan.> > > > 
> Very cool to see that this list has a very diverse membership.> > > > Hi, i'm 
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Members details

[Lasse Havelund]

I generally just lurk, too.

Lasse---16, and from Denmark.

(Mikkel: Nice to see I'm not the only one here. ;])

- Lasse

On Wed, 2007-11-21 at 23:15 +, Justin Gruenberg wrote:
> On Nov 21, 2007 1:38 PM, Steph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I just wanted to know from wich country is everybody here, and wich language
> > do you speak (might be useful). I thought about a new "Member Page" on the
> > Ubuntu Wiki, section Art, but maybe it's too private for some of us ?
> >
> > I'm Steph, 17 years old and living in Montpellier, France.
> >
> > Your turn :)
> 
> 
> Justin, and mostly lurking 21 and all over the Midwest, USA.
> Minnesota, Wisconsin (my "official home", Michigan.
> 
> Very cool to see that this list has a very diverse membership.
> 


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Re: [ubuntu-art] Members details

[Leo Gomez]

Leo, 35, originally from Uruguay, currently living in Managua, Nicaragua.
Debian user since 1999, Ubuntu user since late 2005.
I'm the team leader of Ubuntu-ni and involved in other FOSS projects as
well.
I speak Spanish, English, Swedish and some Italian. Expect to learn Catalan
next year.

2007/11/21, Lasse Havelund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> I generally just lurk, too.
>
> Lasse---16, and from Denmark.
>
> (Mikkel: Nice to see I'm not the only one here. ;])
>
> - Lasse
>
> On Wed, 2007-11-21 at 23:15 +, Justin Gruenberg wrote:
> > On Nov 21, 2007 1:38 PM, Steph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I just wanted to know from wich country is everybody here, and wich
> language
> > > do you speak (might be useful). I thought about a new "Member Page" on
> the
> > > Ubuntu Wiki, section Art, but maybe it's too private for some of us ?
> > >
> > > I'm Steph, 17 years old and living in Montpellier, France.
> > >
> > > Your turn :)
> >
> >
> > Justin, and mostly lurking 21 and all over the Midwest, USA.
> > Minnesota, Wisconsin (my "official home", Michigan.
> >
> > Very cool to see that this list has a very diverse membership.
> >
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Members details

[Corey Woodworth]

Corey, 24, Live in Orlando, Florida, USA.

On Nov 21, 2007 10:49 AM, Lasse Havelund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I generally just lurk, too.
>
> Lasse---16, and from Denmark.
>
> (Mikkel: Nice to see I'm not the only one here. ;])
>
> - Lasse
>
> On Wed, 2007-11-21 at 23:15 +, Justin Gruenberg wrote:
> > On Nov 21, 2007 1:38 PM, Steph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I just wanted to know from wich country is everybody here, and wich
> language
> > > do you speak (might be useful). I thought about a new "Member Page" on
> the
> > > Ubuntu Wiki, section Art, but maybe it's too private for some of us ?
> > >
> > > I'm Steph, 17 years old and living in Montpellier, France.
> > >
> > > Your turn :)
> >
> >
> > Justin, and mostly lurking 21 and all over the Midwest, USA.
> > Minnesota, Wisconsin (my "official home", Michigan.
> >
> > Very cool to see that this list has a very diverse membership.
> >
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[ubuntu-art] Curiousity:)

[titon barua]

Hi ppl, i know it's like flamming but i would really like to ask
suttleworth why did he choose gnome, not kde as default(i'm aware abt
kubuntu)? With upcoming kde4, i think ubuntu should default kde(my own
opinion ofcourse). btw i am from bangladesh.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Curiousity:)

[Carlos Moreno]

titon barua wrote:
> Hi ppl, i know it's like flamming but i would really like to ask
> suttleworth why did he choose gnome, not kde as default(i'm aware abt
> kubuntu)? With upcoming kde4, i think ubuntu should default kde

I think it should not --- and thank all gods that it is not.

Not sure if KDE4 will make me change my opinion/view
about it, but from what I've seen so far, KDE is as bad
and as bloated/non-functional as it gets.  Almost as bad
as Windows, if not worse...

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Curiousity:)

[Philip Newborough]

On Nov 21, 2007 8:03 PM, Carlos Moreno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> titon barua wrote:
> > Hi ppl, i know it's like flamming but i would really like to ask
> > suttleworth why did he choose gnome, not kde as default(i'm aware abt
> > kubuntu)? With upcoming kde4, i think ubuntu should default kde
>
> I think it should not --- and thank all gods that it is not.
>
> Not sure if KDE4 will make me change my opinion/view
> about it, but from what I've seen so far, KDE is as bad
> and as bloated/non-functional as it gets.  Almost as bad
> as Windows, if not worse...
>
> Carlos

Carlos has a point, although I'm not sure I'd have worded it quite so
strong -- I know there are plenty of happy KDE users, as there are
Windows users. Having said that, I loaded the Xubuntu LiveCD for the
first time yesterday [I was curious] and have to admit that I
personally wasn't impressed. I didn't find it as user friendly as
GNOME and it did seem to feature lots of foreign [to me at least]
applications. I think the GNOME desktop has a better naming convention
and is better suited as the default desktop...

...I could probably ramble on for ages on this topic, but I'll leave it there.

Peace.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Members details

[sylvain marc]

Probably Daniel Moore could translate the document i give to Kenneth Wimer ?

2007/11/21, Daniel Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> I'm Daniel, 32 years old, living in Adelaide, Australia. I speak
> English, Spanish and French and a bit of Portuguese.
>
> On 11/21/07, Steph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I just wanted to know from wich country is everybody here, and wich
> language
> > do you speak (might be useful). I thought about a new "Member Page" on
> the
> > Ubuntu Wiki, section Art, but maybe it's too private for some of us ?
> >
> > I'm Steph, 17 years old and living in Montpellier, France.
> >
> > Your turn :)
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Re: [ubuntu-art] ubuntu-art Digest, Vol 29, Issue 48

[Paulo Bittencourt]

Paulo, Brazillian, speak English, Portuguese and a very little German.

> > > I just wanted to know from wich country is everybody here, and wich 
> > > language
> > > do you speak (might be useful). I thought about a new "Member Page" on the
> > > Ubuntu Wiki, section Art, but maybe it's too private for some of us ?
> > >
> > > I'm Steph, 17 years old and living in Montpellier, France.
> > >
> > > Your turn :)

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Curiousity:)

[Daniel Moore]

The KDE people say the same thing about Gnome that the Gnome people  
say about KDE (performance, bloat, etc) . I think in the end it seems  
that there is very little reason to separate the two systems based on  
performance. They both do what they are meant to do pretty well.

The Gnome project really started because KDE used to include non free  
software, and Gnome since then has always been seen as the more open  
source alternative. So given Ubuntu's ethos based in free software  
it's not really surprising that they (he) chose Gnome.

Regards,

Daniel.



On 22/11/2007, at 5:52 AM, titon barua wrote:

> Hi ppl, i know it's like flamming but i would really like to ask
> suttleworth why did he choose gnome, not kde as default(i'm aware abt
> kubuntu)? With upcoming kde4, i think ubuntu should default kde(my own
> opinion ofcourse). btw i am from bangladesh.
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Members details

[Daniel Moore]

Sure. What's the document? Or is it too early in the morning and I  
haven't woken up yet?


Regards,

Daniel.


On 22/11/2007, at 6:56 AM, sylvain marc wrote:

Probably Daniel Moore could translate the document i give to  
Kenneth Wimer ?


2007/11/21, Daniel Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
I'm Daniel, 32 years old, living in Adelaide, Australia. I speak
English, Spanish and French and a bit of Portuguese.

On 11/21/07, Steph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I just wanted to know from wich country is everybody here, and  
wich language
> do you speak (might be useful). I thought about a new "Member  
Page" on the
> Ubuntu Wiki, section Art, but maybe it's too private for some of  
us ?

>
> I'm Steph, 17 years old and living in Montpellier, France.
>
> Your turn :)
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Curiousity:)

[Carlos Moreno]

Daniel Moore wrote:
> The KDE people say the same thing about Gnome that the Gnome people  
> say about KDE (performance, bloat, etc) . I think in the end it seems  
> that there is very little reason to separate the two systems based on  
> performance. 
Though I mostly agree with the rest of your message, I have to object
to the above --- from everything I read, what KDE people say about
GNOME has nothing to do with performance!  What they criticize is
mostly the lack of configurability;  KDE has the reputation that you
can configure the way every single little pixel on your screen would
look like;  GNOME has the reputation of being simple, clean, and with
a sensible default.

I do not think that any KDE fan would dare have the audacity to
pick on GNOME using performance (or lack thereof) as their
argument --- that would border criminal behaviour!!!  :-)

> They both do what they are meant to do pretty well.

Sorry, I have to disagree with this --- last time I logged on to
KDE on my notebook (where GNOME works flawlessly smooth), I could
see the windows and dialog boxes appear;  the fade-in effects would
take close to two seconds in completing...  Sloppy and bloated like
you wouldn't believe it!

Yes, you could go on and say:  well, you must have done something
wrong...  My question is:  what could I possibly do wrong when the
only thing I did was *install* Ubuntu???

I wonder if KDE defenders simply are and have always been running
on mega-powerful machines where even Windows Vista would run
smoothly...

> The Gnome project really started because KDE used to include non free  
> software, and Gnome since then has always been seen as the more open  
> source alternative. So given Ubuntu's ethos based in free software  
> it's not really surprising that they (he) chose Gnome.

Agreed that this is the most likely reason --- but do notice that
also, a big part of Linux's good reputation is the fact that,
unlike Windows, it is "lean and mean" --- meaning you can run it
on your old hardware that you were planning on throwing away
because it was not enough to run Windows...  Putting KDE as
default would somewhat betray that prnciple...  Yes, some people
would say that GNOME also breaks that principle, and that there's
a reason why XUbuntu exists...  It's all a matter of thresholds;
but still, seems like KDE would be going to the opposite extreme,
whereas GNOME seems like a good compromise;  lean enough, though
not the leanest, but functional enough  (IMHO, much better than
KDE in terms of usability and user-friendlyness, although I know
that I'm going contrary to popular opinion with this one)

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Icon theme suggestion

[Iacopo Masi]

In my opinion goode choice to use stantard tango guidelines to
integratedes icons apps.

Really great icons!


On 11/21/07, H. Bons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I'm using it right now - only thing bugging me is the
> >blue. Would be
> > great if you could make an all-orange one.
> >
>
> I don't think that's a very good idea usability wise,
> tough orange is still the dominant color in this theme. As
> has been mentioned before on this list:
>
> "I think my biggest complaint about the look of Ubuntu's
> interface (the default GNOME, of course --- don't know
> about KDE, and sorry to be blunt, but could not care any
> less about KDE) is the "unicolor-ism" of the icons.  Color
> is an incredibly powerful and efficient mechanism to
> convey information, and it is IMHO being sacrificed."
> --Carlos
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Curiousity:)

[Daniel Moore]

On 22/11/2007, at 8:35 AM, Carlos Moreno wrote:

> Though I mostly agree with the rest of your message, I have to object
> to the above --- from everything I read, what KDE people say about
> GNOME has nothing to do with performance!

I've heard Gnome criticized plenty of times for being bloated and  
slow (as compared to KDE). I've also heard the inverse. I've used  
both on the same machine, and they both seem about the same to me.  
Just my anecdotal evidence.

> What they criticize is
> mostly the lack of configurability;  KDE has the reputation that you
> can configure the way every single little pixel on your screen would
> look like;  GNOME has the reputation of being simple, clean, and with
> a sensible default.

True. And they seem to be going their separate ways. Gnome used to be  
much more configureable if my memory serves me well...

> I do not think that any KDE fan would dare have the audacity to
> pick on GNOME using performance (or lack thereof) as their
> argument --- that would border criminal behaviour!!!  :-)

You know, those KDE types ;-)

> Sorry, I have to disagree with this --- last time I logged on to
> KDE on my notebook (where GNOME works flawlessly smooth), I could
> see the windows and dialog boxes appear;  the fade-in effects would
> take close to two seconds in completing...  Sloppy and bloated like
> you wouldn't believe it!
> Yes, you could go on and say:  well, you must have done something
> wrong...  My question is:  what could I possibly do wrong when the
> only thing I did was *install* Ubuntu???

I think for the most part their performance isn't much of an issue.  
It's ironic though because when I first started using KDE & Gnome,  
about 1998, it was Gnome that was quite a bit slower than KDE. Even  
then I preferred the look and feel of Gnome over KDE, even when it  
was slower. Although the truth is that I probably mostly used  
Enlightenment without Gnome or KDE.

I think another big turn off for us Linux / FreeBSD users is the fact  
that KDE is a direct rip off of Windows, and that's not fun,  
especially when  we install Linux to get away from the whole Windows  
quagmire.

> I wonder if KDE defenders simply are and have always been running
> on mega-powerful machines where even Windows Vista would run
> smoothly...
>
>> The Gnome project really started because KDE used to include non free
>> software, and Gnome since then has always been seen as the more open
>> source alternative. So given Ubuntu's ethos based in free software
>> it's not really surprising that they (he) chose Gnome.
>
> Agreed that this is the most likely reason --- but do notice that
> also, a big part of Linux's good reputation is the fact that,
> unlike Windows, it is "lean and mean" --- meaning you can run it
> on your old hardware that you were planning on throwing away
> because it was not enough to run Windows...

I think both 'lean and mean' and 'ultra configureable' are both  
important open source traits.
We chose Gnome...




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Re: [ubuntu-art] logo for swfdec

[Andreas Nilsson]

Andreas Nilsson skrev:
> Hi all!
> I know this isn't specifically related to Ubuntu, but Benjamin Otte is 
> looking for a nice logo design for Swfdec and I thought someone 
> subscribed to this list might be interested.
> http://blogs.gnome.org/otte/2007/10/17/hello-artists/
>
> - Andreas
>
>   
Hi all!
Forgot to follow up on this.
http://blogs.gnome.org/otte/2007/10/26/logo/
It's already on the launchpad page.
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Members details

[Daniel Moore]

What language do you want that translated to? English?

On 22/11/2007, at 8:30 AM, sylvain marc wrote:


This is the document.
I hope some ideas are good...

2007/11/21, Daniel Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Sure. What's the document? Or is it too early in the morning and I  
haven't woken up yet?


Regards,

Daniel.


On 22/11/2007, at 6:56 AM, sylvain marc wrote:

Probably Daniel Moore could translate the document i give to  
Kenneth Wimer ?


2007/11/21, Daniel Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
I'm Daniel, 32 years old, living in Adelaide, Australia. I speak
English, Spanish and French and a bit of Portuguese.

On 11/21/07, Steph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I just wanted to know from wich country is everybody here, and  
wich language
> do you speak (might be useful). I thought about a new "Member  
Page" on the
> Ubuntu Wiki, section Art, but maybe it's too private for some of  
us ?

>
> I'm Steph, 17 years old and living in Montpellier, France.
>
> Your turn :)
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Members details

[sylvain marc]

Yes, of course. For the communauty, to partage my ideas for the futur LTS

2007/11/21, Daniel Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> What language do you want that translated to? English?
> On 22/11/2007, at 8:30 AM, sylvain marc wrote:
>
> This is the document.
> I hope some ideas are good...
>
> 2007/11/21, Daniel Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> >  Sure. What's the document? Or is it too early in the morning and I
> > haven't woken up yet?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Daniel.
> >
> >
> > On 22/11/2007, at 6:56 AM, sylvain marc wrote:
> >
> > Probably Daniel Moore could translate the document i give to Kenneth
> > Wimer ?
> >
> > 2007/11/21, Daniel Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > >
> > > I'm Daniel, 32 years old, living in Adelaide, Australia. I speak
> > > English, Spanish and French and a bit of Portuguese.
> > >
> > > On 11/21/07, Steph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > I just wanted to know from wich country is everybody here, and wich
> > > language
> > > > do you speak (might be useful). I thought about a new "Member Page"
> > > on the
> > > > Ubuntu Wiki, section Art, but maybe it's too private for some of us
> > > ?
> > > >
> > > > I'm Steph, 17 years old and living in Montpellier, France.
> > > >
> > > > Your turn :)
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Members details

[Damian Vila]

Damian Vila, 34, from Buenos Aires, Argentina, but I live in Madrid,
Spain since 2002. Graphic/Web designer.
I speak Spanish, English, some Portuguese and (very, very basic and
rudimentary) Japanese.
Regards,

D.

sylvain marc escribió:
> Yes, of course. For the communauty, to partage my ideas for the futur LTS
>
> 2007/11/21, Daniel Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >:
>
> What language do you want that translated to? English?
>
> On 22/11/2007, at 8:30 AM, sylvain marc wrote:
>
>> This is the document.
>> I hope some ideas are good...
>>
>> 2007/11/21, Daniel Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >:
>>
>> Sure. What's the document? Or is it too early in the morning
>> and I haven't woken up yet?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Daniel.
>>
>>
>> On 22/11/2007, at 6:56 AM, sylvain marc wrote:
>>
>>> Probably Daniel Moore could translate the document i give to
>>> Kenneth Wimer ?
>>>
>>> 2007/11/21, Daniel Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> >:
>>>
>>> I'm Daniel, 32 years old, living in Adelaide, Australia.
>>> I speak
>>> English, Spanish and French and a bit of Portuguese.
>>>
>>> On 11/21/07, Steph < [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> > wrote:
>>> > Hi all,
>>> >
>>> > I just wanted to know from wich country is everybody
>>> here, and wich language
>>> > do you speak (might be useful). I thought about a new
>>> "Member Page" on the
>>> > Ubuntu Wiki, section Art, but maybe it's too private
>>> for some of us ?
>>> >
>>> > I'm Steph, 17 years old and living in Montpellier, France.
>>> >
>>> > Your turn :)
>>> >
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>>> 
>>> > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
>>> >
>>> >
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Curiousity:)

[Damian Vila]

Sorry for the double mail, I just found the interview in english:
http://www.abclinuxu.cz/clanky/rozhovory/mark-shuttleworth?page=1

The interesting point:

*4) How are you looking forward to KDE 4? Is there a possibility of
KDE 4 ever displacing Gnome as the default 'desktop of choice' for Ubuntu?*

That's interesting. I'm really looking forward to Plasma and I've seen
that Plasma is starting to land in some of the latest snapshots of
KDE 4. I think there's some great technology work being done there.

I think it's unlikely that KDE replaces Gnome as default Ubuntu desktop.
And the main reason is that we don't, at this stage, have the same level
of confidence in the KDE project's ability to deliver predictable
release schedules. You know, the Ubuntu release schedule, release
process is a very important part of what we do, and Gnome has exactly
the same release philosophy that we do, which is that it's very
important to release predictably every six months. Because KDE doesn't
do that, it would be much more difficult just to deliver the same level
of predictability and planning to the operating system. So for the
moment I think we will stick with Gnome.

*5) So it's not exactly about technical merits. It's about availability
and about you being able to base the schedule on Gnome?*

Yeah, there were two main drivers for us choosing Gnome as the first and
therefore default desktop. The first was their commitment to the six
month release schedule – and they actually had a track record of doing
that. And I believe that KDE could do this. I'm strongly encouraging KDE
to adopt the same release schedule as Gnome, because I think they would
become more widely tested and more widely adopted if they did this.

And the second thing was Gnome's real commitment to usability. They
really care about how easy to use the desktop is. And KDE, at that time,
was more interested in fancy features. So while there's room in the
world for both of these philosophies, we need to pick one. And those
values were closer to what we were looking for. So we went with Gnome.

We have a fantastic community project in Kubuntu which works very
closely with the KDE community. I would love to see Kubuntu get more
downloads, wider adoption, and broader interest. But at this stage it
can't be the default desktop for Ubuntu.

Regards,

D.

titon barua escribió:
> Hi ppl, i know it's like flamming but i would really like to ask
> suttleworth why did he choose gnome, not kde as default(i'm aware abt
> kubuntu)? With upcoming kde4, i think ubuntu should default kde(my own
> opinion ofcourse). btw i am from bangladesh.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Curiousity:)

[Damian Vila]

As far as I know (from an interview I read), he choose GNOME because
they compromised on a 6 month development cycle (to match that of
Ubuntu) and because GNOME has a compromise on usability and not only on
features.
Regards,

D.

titon barua escribió:
> Hi ppl, i know it's like flamming but i would really like to ask
> suttleworth why did he choose gnome, not kde as default(i'm aware abt
> kubuntu)? With upcoming kde4, i think ubuntu should default kde(my own
> opinion ofcourse). btw i am from bangladesh.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Curiousity:)

[Donn]

> I think another big turn off for us Linux / FreeBSD users is the fact
> that KDE is a direct rip off of Windows, and that's not fun,
I don't grok this. How is the essential layout and set of concepts between 
Gnome, KDE and Windows any different?
Taskbar, tray, "Start" button, panels, windows, min/max/close buttons, 
desktops, icons, drag/drop, etc.

?

Also, I'd say while they both mirror each other, KDE is by far my favourite 
simply because it lets me do what *I* want to do (to a point) -- but this 
does not mean that Gnome can't (with practice).

> I think both 'lean and mean' and 'ultra configureable' are both
> important open source traits.
> We chose Gnome...
In my experience, installing Gnu/Linux on *very* old machines, Gnome was just 
too slow. KDE was much better but Xubuntu was best of that breed.
  Actually, (I can't recall the name, but) Afterstep (I think, or one of 
the 'steps') was the best overall for speed and functionality.

\d

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