[twsocket] OT: Windows 7/20008R2 SP1 now available

2011-02-17 Thread Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems Ltd
For those with MSDN, Partner Action Pack or Technet accounts, service
Pack 1 for Windows 7 and 2008R2 is now available from Technet downloads,
1.9 gigs for the DVD version, or full OSs with SP1 added. 

https://technet.microsoft.com/en-gb/subscriptions/securedownloads/default.
aspx

Angus


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Re: [twsocket] HttpCli / Async in thread problems --- Tryng to trace

2011-02-17 Thread Frans van Daalen

Update : Seems there are still scenario's where the problem returns
also sometimes the proxy settings are lost creating a 407 when a
relocation happens. Seems to happen when executing a GetAsync and a
relocate is triggered (with follow relocation set)


Thanks for the report. That's probably because SetReady is skipped with
it's code related to proxy and www-authentication :(
The HTTP component is a TRUE beast.


Yes, it is! Is there not something like a full-blown http test tool which we 
can run against it and then start rewriting some parts to get it back in 
it's cage ? I found several on the web but have no idea if it has ever been 
used for THttpcli


Can you locate that setready skipping somewhere? I have been maintenace 
programmer for a long time so used to reading others code but this one is 
hard to read and understand. 


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Re: [twsocket] OT: Windows 7/20008R2 SP1 now available

2011-02-17 Thread daniel cc

Thanks Angus :)


-Original Message- 
From: Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems Ltd 
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 11:44 AM 
To: twsocket@elists.org 
Subject: [twsocket] OT: Windows 7/20008R2 SP1 now available 


For those with MSDN, Partner Action Pack or Technet accounts, service
Pack 1 for Windows 7 and 2008R2 is now available from Technet downloads,
1.9 gigs for the DVD version, or full OSs with SP1 added. 


https://technet.microsoft.com/en-gb/subscriptions/securedownloads/default.
aspx

Angus


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Re: [twsocket] Asychronous opperation ofOverBytecomponents-Automated processes

2011-02-17 Thread Francois PIETTE

So to use the component in asynchronous mode you must only use one
thread?


Usually you use a single thread. But as I said before, you may use more 
threads mainly for two purposes when you write a server application:
1) You have a server application whch has to support hundreds or thousands 
of simultaneous clients

2) You have to use "lengthy process" such as a long SQL query

When writing a client application you seldom use several threads.


Is there any other benefit in using TDataModule apart from being able to
see the components?


Not much.


I thought TDataModule could receive windows
messages but I was sadly disappointed.


Actually, no object receive any Windows message but all objetcs may manage 
to do it for you. A TForm is a good example.
Adding Windows message handling in a TDataModule is not difficult at all: 
just allocate a window handle and create a window message procedure to 
handle all the messages.


A better design is to create a component to encapsulate your processing and 
handle Windows messages. It is easy to do by reusing TIcsWndControl which 
encapsulate everything you need for that purpose. Just derive your own 
component from TIcsWndControl. You have a lot of samples because almost all 
ICS components are using TIcsWndControl as base class.


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[twsocket] SVN update notifications

2011-02-17 Thread Francois PIETTE

Hi Evryone !

As you know, ICS source code is available on a version control system 
repository (Subversion).
This system is used by the development team to update the source files more 
or less in real time.


Each time a change is done on the repository, we have the opportunity to 
send an email notification to interested peoples.


The question is: Who is interested in receiving those notifications ?

Why would you receive the notifications ? Just to know what change has been 
commited to the repository almost as soon as it is. Without this 
notification, you would have to use svn client to see the change log.


Depending on the number of interested peoples, we will either send 
individual emails or use another mailing list.

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Re: [twsocket] SVN update notifications

2011-02-17 Thread RTT

On 17-02-2011 15:17, Francois PIETTE wrote:
Depending on the number of interested peoples, we will either send 
individual emails or use another mailing list. 

How about an RSS feed and a Twitter ICSSVN account? :-)
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[twsocket] THttpCli - RequestDone events during ongoing relocation

2011-02-17 Thread RTT
During a relocation an intermediary RequestDone events is fired. Is this 
really needed, and for what propose?
If yes, then I think it should be fired with the correct response status 
code, not zero as now, so it can be clearly detected as not the final 
request done even. Also, an "httpRelocating" THttpState could be handy.
This behavior is also inconsistent. If the client is configured to use 
HTTP 1.0, and no Keep-Alive header is send, this intermediary 
RequestDone event is not triggered.



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Re: [twsocket] SVN update notifications

2011-02-17 Thread Fastream Technologies
I would like to get those news in my inbox.

Regards,

SubZero
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 5:17 PM, Francois PIETTE
wrote:

> Hi Evryone !
>
> As you know, ICS source code is available on a version control system
> repository (Subversion).
> This system is used by the development team to update the source files more
> or less in real time.
>
> Each time a change is done on the repository, we have the opportunity to
> send an email notification to interested peoples.
>
> The question is: Who is interested in receiving those notifications ?
>
> Why would you receive the notifications ? Just to know what change has been
> commited to the repository almost as soon as it is. Without this
> notification, you would have to use svn client to see the change log.
>
> Depending on the number of interested peoples, we will either send
> individual emails or use another mailing list.
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Re: [twsocket] THttpCli - RequestDone events during ongoing relocation

2011-02-17 Thread Francois PIETTE
During a relocation an intermediary RequestDone events is fired. Is this 
really needed, and for what propose?


Relocation is considered as a another automatic request. You may cancel it 
on the fly or simply disable the feature with FollowRelocation property.


If yes, then I think it should be fired with the correct response status 
code, not zero as now, so it can be clearly detected as not the final 
request done even. Also, an "httpRelocating" THttpState could be handy.


Changing the behaviour is likely to break a lot of existing code.
Introducing a new state is not possible because relocation involve a new 
request traversing all the current states.


This behavior is also inconsistent. If the client is configured to use 
HTTP 1.0, and no Keep-Alive header is send, this intermediary RequestDone 
event is not triggered.


Well, this is maybe a bug...

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Re: [twsocket] HttpCli / Async in thread problems --- Tryng to trace

2011-02-17 Thread Arno Garrels
Frans van Daalen wrote:
>>> Update : Seems there are still scenario's where the problem returns
>>> also sometimes the proxy settings are lost creating a 407 when a
>>> relocation happens. Seems to happen when executing a GetAsync and a
>>> relocate is triggered (with follow relocation set)
>> 
>> Thanks for the report. That's probably because SetReady is skipped
>> with it's code related to proxy and www-authentication :(
>> The HTTP component is a TRUE beast.
> 
> Yes, it is! Is there not something like a full-blown http test tool
> which we can run against it and then start rewriting some parts to
> get it back in it's cage ? I found several on the web but have no
> idea if it has ever been used for THttpcli
> 
> Can you locate that setready skipping somewhere?

My suggested fix did skip SetReady when FLocationFlag was set, it has
to be removed. I have a new idea:
in procedure THttpCli.StateChange(NewState : THttpState);
try call TriggerRequestDone only when FLocationFlag is not set. 
However that might also lead to other side-effects I'm currently not
aware of, it worked with and without proxy connection in a brief test. 

> I have been
> maintenace programmer for a long time so used to reading others code
> but this one is hard to read and understand.

Tracing and debugging is a problem when there's not much on the call
stack as with the THttpCli where many events are triggered by posting
messages instead of calling event handlers directly.

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Re: [twsocket] THttpCli - RequestDone events during ongoing relocation

2011-02-17 Thread RTT


During a relocation an intermediary RequestDone events is fired. Is 
this really needed, and for what propose?


Relocation is considered as a another automatic request. You may 
cancel it on the fly or simply disable the feature with 
FollowRelocation property.


Yes, but if I want to follow it, I think it would be better if this 
intermediary (for the result of the request) RequestDone could be 
clearly identified in this event. If I need to process the received 
response, I need to know when I'm dealing effectively with the final one.




If yes, then I think it should be fired with the correct response 
status code, not zero as now, so it can be clearly detected as not 
the final request done even. Also, an "httpRelocating" THttpState 
could be handy.


Changing the behaviour is likely to break a lot of existing code.


There are code relying in this no meaning StatusCode=0?!
This very limiting of code improvements "no breaking code" rule could be 
improved with a "supported version", as used by many API's today. At 
compile time with a "maximum version" compile switch, at component 
creation with a maximum code version property, etc.. Default to the 
legacy switch/property version, and new/upgraded code can set it to the 
last code behavior version.



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Re: [twsocket] HttpCli / Async in thread problems --- Tryng to trace

2011-02-17 Thread Francois PIETTE

Tracing and debugging is a problem when there's not much on the call
stack as with the THttpCli where many events are triggered by posting
messages instead of calling event handlers directly.


Just a side note: Posting a message and calling event handlers directly have 
totally different behaviour but Im' sure you know that.
When posting a message, the event handler will eventually be called, but 
only after all pending events including the current have been processed. 
Calling an event handler directly is just an immediate function call.


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[twsocket] Update SVN working copy problems.

2011-02-17 Thread Arno Garrels
Hi,

I'm very sorry that I managed to commit a duplicate of OverbyteFtpCli.pas
with slightly different casing "OverByteFtpCli.pas" to the SVN repository
recently.
If you get strange effects after an update, such as a missing 
OverbyteFtpCli.pas, the easiest way to fix it is to do a clean new 
checkout. If the file is being marked "modified" after the update it might
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Re: [twsocket] OT: 3Proxy malware?

2011-02-17 Thread Anton S.
Arno, I'll post a message to the 3proxy's forum and give a link to this thread 
so that 3APA3A could be aware.

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Re: [twsocket] SVN update notifications

2011-02-17 Thread Anton S.
I think another maillist would be fine bacause you won't have to maintain an 
actual list of people interested in notifications.
RSS would be good too.

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Re: [twsocket] SVN update notifications

2011-02-17 Thread Arno Garrels
- Original Message - 
From: "Anton S." 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 6:00 PM
Subject: Re: [twsocket] SVN update notifications


>I think another maillist would be fine bacause you won't have to maintain an 
>actual list of people interested in notifications.
> RSS would be good too.

Since we already have an internal e-mail notification sent to TeamICS
members (based on TSmtpCli) it would be easy to send another copy to
some mailing list.

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Re: [twsocket] SVN update notifications

2011-02-17 Thread RTT

On 17-02-2011 17:18, Arno Garrels wrote:

Since we already have an internal e-mail notification sent to TeamICS
members (based on TSmtpCli) it would be easy to send another copy to
some mailing list.
How about upgrade that program to add a new entry to a RSS feed, and 
post a new Twitter message? Old mailing list are good, but ther's no 
assurance the message will arrive to all users e-mail box.

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Re: [twsocket] SVN update notifications

2011-02-17 Thread Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems Ltd
> How about upgrade that program to add a new entry to a RSS feed, 
> and post a new Twitter message? Old mailing list are good, but 
> ther's no assurance the message will arrive to all users e-mail box.

Because ICS does not have Twitter or RSS components!  

Or are you offering to contribute them? 

Angus

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Re: [twsocket] SVN update notifications

2011-02-17 Thread Arno Garrels

- Original Message - 
From: "RTT" 
To: "ICS support mailing" 
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 6:27 PM
Subject: Re: [twsocket] SVN update notifications


> On 17-02-2011 17:18, Arno Garrels wrote:
>> Since we already have an internal e-mail notification sent to TeamICS
>> members (based on TSmtpCli) it would be easy to send another copy to
>> some mailing list.
> How about upgrade that program to add a new entry to a RSS feed, and 
> post a new Twitter message? Old mailing list are good, but ther's no 
> assurance the message will arrive to all users e-mail box.

Well, if somebody wants to support social networks or RSS feeds she
has to implement that herself. I'm conservative, in such a way that I use 
NNTP or mailing lists exclusively. This webstuff is just stealing my
time.

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Re: [twsocket] SVN update notifications

2011-02-17 Thread RTT



Because ICS does not have Twitter or RSS components!

Or are you offering to contribute them?


Nothing mine, but a rapid Google search reveals this two
http://www.lakraven.com/delphi-stuff/ttwitter/
http://sourceforge.net/projects/simplerss/
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Re: [twsocket] SVN update notifications

2011-02-17 Thread RTT

On 17-02-2011 17:38, Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems Ltd wrote:

Or are you offering to contribute them?
The Twitter component could be provided by brian - , that the other day 
asked in this list about passing OAuth parameters in the request header.

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Re: [twsocket] SVN update notifications

2011-02-17 Thread Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems Ltd
> Nothing mine, but a rapid Google search reveals this two
> http://www.lakraven.com/delphi-stuff/ttwitter/

which use the Indy HTTP component, not ICS.  
It's a complex component, not trivial to convert to ICS.  

> http://sourceforge.net/projects/simplerss/

also use Indy HTTP, a complex XML project. 

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Re: [twsocket] SVN update notifications

2011-02-17 Thread Maurizio Lotauro
Scrive Francois PIETTE :

[...]

> Depending on the number of interested peoples, we will either send 
> individual emails or use another mailing list.

Wasn't there already an announce mailing list?


Bye, Maurizio.


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Re: [twsocket] SVN update notifications

2011-02-17 Thread RTT

On 17-02-2011 18:50, Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems Ltd wrote:

Nothing mine, but a rapid Google search reveals this two
http://www.lakraven.com/delphi-stuff/ttwitter/

which use the Indy HTTP component, not ICS.
It's a complex component, not trivial to convert to ICS.


http://sourceforge.net/projects/simplerss/

also use Indy HTTP, a complex XML project.



This only proves that, probably, the ICS project needs more exposition, 
and the new "webstuff's", IMHO, can help.
The eminent goal, subject of this thread, is how to communicate SVN 
updates to users.
This components, even if not ICS based, can help to upgrade the email 
applications used by the TeamICS.
Or there are any problem in the usage of Indy components, mixed with ICS 
components? It's an internal application after all.

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Re: [twsocket] SVN update notifications

2011-02-17 Thread Francois PIETTE

Since we already have an internal e-mail notification sent to TeamICS
members (based on TSmtpCli) it would be easy to send another copy to
some mailing list.


How about upgrade that program to add a new entry to a RSS feed, and post 
a new Twitter message?


That would of course be nice. But this require a lot of work to create the 
software to do that, and then to maintain it in operation. I don't think we 
have the resources to do that.


Old mailing list are good, but ther's no assurance the message will arrive 
to all users e-mail box.


No more no less that tweet or RSS.
The mailing list is really very reliable so far as is email. Everybody 
depends on email today so it has to be reliable anyway.


What would be really interesting is to find someone wanting to write a 
program, using ICS components, creating new one if required, which would 
serve as a gateway. That program shall use the POP3 component to receive 
emails from a given email account somewhere, retrieve messages posted by the 
SVN emailer and blash it to tweeter, RSS, FaceBook and LinkedIn. That guy 
should also have a server to make the gateway running and have some spare 
time to operate it properly.


That would be very nice :-)

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Re: [twsocket] SVN update notifications

2011-02-17 Thread Francois PIETTE

Depending on the number of interested peoples, we will either send
individual emails or use another mailing list.


Wasn't there already an announce mailing list?


Yes, but svn notification would generate information not useful for announce 
subscribers, imo.

I think not much people will ask to receive the notifications.

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Re: [twsocket] SVN update notifications

2011-02-17 Thread RTT

On 17-02-2011 18:50, Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems Ltd wrote:

>  http://sourceforge.net/projects/simplerss/

also use Indy HTTP, a complex XML project.
In this case the Indy stuff is used only to format datetime values, very 
easy to replace.
There is also an TIdHTTP component, used only in the LoadFromHTTP 
method, not really needed and easily replaceable by the ICS THttpCli.


Using the bellow function, updating a local rss.xml file from that 
TeamICS e-mail client is as easy as this:


   if PostToRssFeed.checked and
   AddEntryToRSSFeed('c:\path\to\the\local\rss.xml', 'email.subject',
   'email.message', 'http://url/to/the/update') then
   begin
   //upload updated c:\path\to\the\rss.xml file online
   end;

- Global FormatSettings, related to DateTime format, should also be set 
to English defaults, if Windows regional settings are different.


- The local feed file can be started by grabbing an online feed, fill 
the header fields with relevant ICS info, and removing all the 
 items.


rss feed specifications
http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/rss/rss.html



uses
SimpleRSS, SimpleRSSTypes;

function AddEntryToRSSFeed(const aRSSFilename, aTitle, aDescription, 
aLink: string): boolean;

var
  SimpleRSS: TSimpleRSS;
begin
  result := false;
  SimpleRSS := TSimpleRSS.Create(nil);
  try
SimpleRSS.LoadFromFile(aRSSFilename);
with SimpleRSS.Items.Add do
begin
  Title := aTitle;
  Description := aDescription;
  Link := aLink;
  GUID.Include := true;
  PubDate.DateTime := now;
end;
SimpleRSS.GenerateXML;
SimpleRSS.SaveToFile(aRSSFilename);
result := true;
  finally
SimpleRSS.free;
  end;
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Re: [twsocket] Modifying headers before send in httpcli fails

2011-02-17 Thread brian -
I got this working, httpcli is just working as expect, was nothing wrong
with it. I will keep that extra variable for the headers anyway, it's a lot
more convenient than the notify event.

On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 3:54 AM, brian -  wrote:

> only 1 line
>
>   SHeader := 'Authorization: OAuth oauth_callback="oob", realm="",
> oauth_nonce="' + nonce +
>  '", oauth_timestamp="' + tstamp + '", oauth_consumer_key="' +
> ConsumerKey +
>  '", oauth_signature_method="HMAC-SHA1", oauth_version="1.0",
> oauth_signature="' +
>  URLEncode2(sign) +'"';
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 3:35 AM, RTT  wrote:
>
>> On 12-02-2011 22:31, brian - wrote:
>>
>>> Authorization: OAuth oauth_callback="oob", realm="",
>>> oauth_nonce="5B2407849960FC2B4EC23007EA63E8ED",
>>> oauth_timestamp="1297549627",
>>> oauth_consumer_key="5BZYtiAzGvQTL0ZEhAn45w",
>>> oauth_signature_method="HMAC-SHA1", oauth_version="1.0",
>>> oauth_signature="RjpaedDdvs6n9yX1TFI%2FNzrnbcQ%3D"
>>>
>> Are you sending these options in only one header line (the "Authorization"
>> one) , or multiple lines as this dump suggest?
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Re: [twsocket] Modifying headers before send in httpcli fails

2011-02-17 Thread RTT

On 17-02-2011 22:35, brian - wrote:

I got this working, httpcli is just working as expect, was nothing wrong
with it. I will keep that extra variable for the headers anyway, it's a lot
more convenient than the notify event.


Great, thanks for the followup.
Are you using the Indy components, for the OAuth sign stuff, as in this 
TTWitter component, http://www.lakraven.com/delphi-stuff/ttwitter/ ?

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Re: [twsocket] SVN update notifications

2011-02-17 Thread Mohit Sindhwani
The simplest would perhaps be to have a COMMIT mailing list on Google/ 
Yahoo.

That way, it could also show up in search results?

Best Regards,
Mohit.
18/2/2011 | 9:51 AM.

On 18/2/2011 4:15 AM, Francois PIETTE wrote:

Depending on the number of interested peoples, we will either send
individual emails or use another mailing list.


Wasn't there already an announce mailing list?


Yes, but svn notification would generate information not useful for 
announce subscribers, imo.

I think not much people will ask to receive the notifications.

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Re: [twsocket] SVN update notifications

2011-02-17 Thread Mohit Sindhwani

My recommendation would be a separate list.

Best Regards,
Mohit.
17/2/2011 | 11:26 PM.

On 17/2/2011 11:17 PM, Francois PIETTE wrote:

Hi Evryone !

As you know, ICS source code is available on a version control system 
repository (Subversion).
This system is used by the development team to update the source files 
more or less in real time.


Each time a change is done on the repository, we have the opportunity 
to send an email notification to interested peoples.


The question is: Who is interested in receiving those notifications ?

Why would you receive the notifications ? Just to know what change has 
been commited to the repository almost as soon as it is. Without this 
notification, you would have to use svn client to see the change log.


Depending on the number of interested peoples, we will either send 
individual emails or use another mailing list.

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Re: [twsocket] SVN update notifications

2011-02-17 Thread Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems Ltd
> This components, even if not ICS based, can help to upgrade the 
> email applications used by the TeamICS.
> Or there are any problem in the usage of Indy components, mixed 
> with ICS components? It's an internal application after all.

The SVN hook emailer is an internal application, written by Arno two
years ago, that meets the needs of TeamICS and can easily support extra
mailings.  A new mailing list has little admin effort, except for bounced
emails.   

I agree ICS Twitter or RSS components would be useful for ICS. Everyone
here is a volunteer and such components usually only get written (or
converted) when there is a commercial need for them, and they are then
(usually) made available to others ICS users for free.  

Testing is also very important, and time consuming.  I personally don't
use Twitter, RSS or LinkedIn, so any such project has a major learning
curve.  I've been using the same 'social networking' site for over 25
years, and don't see a need for others - CIX. 

Angus


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