Re: [Twisted-Python] New users cannot subscribe to mailing list

[Glyph Lefkowitz]

> On Jul 15, 2016, at 18:51, Craig Rodrigues  wrote:
> 
> On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 2:14 PM, Glyph Lefkowitz  > wrote:
> 
> 
> I am aware and I am working on it.  The subscription interface has been 
> disabled because it's a magnet for backscatter spam that was being used in 
> several nefarious ways, so we can't really turn it back on in its current 
> state; I am migrating elsewhere for discussion lists.
> 
> If someone wanted to write up some self-service tips for using the email 
> interface on the wiki in the meanwhile, that would be great ;).
> 
> Since you are working on this, can you write up the wiki page with the correct
> way to subscribe to the mailing list, and correct any links on the web page 
> to point to the wiki page?

I'd rather spend the time I have available to complete the actual admin work 
necessary to move to the new list.  I would appreciate it if someone else could 
take this part on.

-g

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Re: [Twisted-Python] New users cannot subscribe to mailing list

[Glyph Lefkowitz]

> On Jul 15, 2016, at 19:00, Craig Rodrigues  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 1:11 PM, Tristan Seligmann  > wrote:
> 
> I believe this email explains things: 
> http://twistedmatrix.com/pipermail/twisted-python/2016-March/030233.html 
>  
> 
> 
> Two comments about that posting:
> 
> (1)  For someone who is not subscribed to the mailing list, that isn't going 
> to help them.  In order to
>read that,  they need to be subscribed to the mailing list.

No, the archives are open; you don't need to be subscribed.  I realize that 
non-subscribers might not have any way to _discover_ that message, but that's a 
different problem.

> (2)  That was posted back in March, nearly 4 months ago.  What is blocking 
> forward progress on fixing the mailing list?
>I realize that folks are overloaded and busy, but is this a 4 month 
> job to fix the mailing list?

Yes.  Consider:

I've got no help on this task; volunteers have thus far not been able to make 
good on their intentions to help out.  I have been reluctant to ask for help 
from existing administrative contributors (yourself, adi, hawkowl) because 
you've had your plates full as well.
Between now and then I've had PyCon, DockerCon, dozens of Twisted reviews, 2 
weeks of vacation, numerous Twisted reviews and a plethora of other tasks at 
work.
Due to the tightly-coupled nature of our infrastructure, the simple solutions 
like "upgrade mailman" are not as trivial as they should be, so we are having 
to take the proverbial long way around.

It's like that old adage from Fred Brooks: "How does a project get to be a year 
late?  One day at a time."

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