[Torios] [Blueprint default-installer] The Default Installer for ToriOS
Blueprint changed by JackT: Whiteboard changed: I am interested in OBi installer, I have never even heard of it. Does anyone know of a walkthrough vide, so I can see the ease of use. Ubiquity is an easy installer. It can run into problems dual-booting. However, if the goal is to replace XP, that should not be a problem. Linux lite, made for a similar reason. Has had good luck with the Ubiquity installer. https://www.linuxliteos.com/manual/install.html#updates [amjjawad] I am not sure who made the above ^^ edit but there you go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2BYU0_3mUY - yes, I know I look so bad, that was a bad day without sleeping :) + + [JackT] The first edit above about OBI was probably made by [Brian Kanto]. + Also, I wanted to make people aware that the OBI installs systems as TARBALLS...the tarballs are described as "new tarballs at the final stage of an OEM install by Federico Leoni"; that is the status quo; the OBI lead developer may invite others to provide further tarballs at some later stage. Just wanted people to know that the OBI does not install .iso files. I hope that is clear. -- The Default Installer for ToriOS https://blueprints.launchpad.net/torios/+spec/default-installer -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~torios Post to : torios@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~torios More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Torios] Reminder: Highly Urgent Task
> On 02/11/2014 02:51 PM, Ali Linx wrote:
>>
>> On 02/11/2014 11:58 PM, joern.schoen...@web.de wrote:
>>> Am Dienstag, 11. Februar 2014, 23:54:05 schrieb Ali Linx:
>>>> On 02/11/2014 10:21 PM, Ali Linx wrote:
>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>> Kindly treat this Email as Top and High Priority :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Please note there is no other task, as of now, that is more important
>>>>> than this:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/torios/+spec/de-wm
>>>>>
>>>>> We do need to move forward ASAP!
>>>>>
>>>>> Again, please treat this as the one and only very high priority and
>>>>> everything else can wait.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>
>>>>> P.S.
>>>>> Hint: Here is how to find out what task is on high priority and which
>>>>> one is less priority: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/torios
>>>> +Jörn Schönyan <https://plus.google.com/106068005741725699939> has
>>>> shared his tests result on Facebook so I am sharing it here:
>>>>
>>>> "The screenshot shows Debian Testing with JWM, running with 32 Megs of
>>>> RAM (30 Megs when measured on tty2). This is net-install of Debian
>>>> Testing, JWM and X. And just the most important tools: htop, nano,
>>>> xterm. No File Manager and No Network Manager but no big deal"
>>>>
>>>> See the attached screenshot :)
>>>>
>>>> This is very interesting :D?
>>>>
>>>> @Jorn
>>>> I am sending this on your behalf so please add more information if you
>>>> have any to share with the team ;)
>>> Thank you, I'm quite busy today :-)
>> NO :D
>> THANK YOU for the great work and the great news :D :D :D
>>
>> @Everyone
>> Look what Jorn has found :D
>>
>> http://imghost4you.com/?v=debianjess.png
>>
>> WOW!
>>
> I get something pretty similar doing almost the same thing on my Power
> PC. I, however, use ROX for a file manager (and it also handles the
> desktop icons/background image). So, with ROX, added to the mix, I
> think we can theme JWM up to be comfortable to Windows Refugees. The
> hardest part about JWM is configuring the panel, etc... though the file
> is a simple xml type file...
>
> JWM was going to be my choice for WM ('DE') too... so I am not sure what
> to try that will even come close. I suppose IceWM might but JWM
> seems to be the lightest one I have ever used.
>
> I have been having some issues making a VM from that ISO... and I can't
> figure out why the LiveCD hangs up after I get to a certain point,
> and there is no indication of network or HD activity Anyone else
> had that issue?
>
>
>
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Hi Israel,
I had similar hang problems with the 12.04 mini-iso inside VirtualBox
yesterday. It seemed to hang every time at the point where the installer
goes off to download more packages.
JackT.
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Re: [Torios] Reminder: Highly Urgent Task
> On 02/11/2014 11:20 PM, ja...@torios.org wrote:
>>> On 02/11/2014 02:51 PM, Ali Linx wrote:
>>>> On 02/11/2014 11:58 PM, joern.schoen...@web.de wrote:
>>>>> Am Dienstag, 11. Februar 2014, 23:54:05 schrieb Ali Linx:
>>>>>> On 02/11/2014 10:21 PM, Ali Linx wrote:
>>>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kindly treat this Email as Top and High Priority :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please note there is no other task, as of now, that is more
>>>>>>> important
>>>>>>> than this:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/torios/+spec/de-wm
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We do need to move forward ASAP!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Again, please treat this as the one and only very high priority and
>>>>>>> everything else can wait.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> P.S.
>>>>>>> Hint: Here is how to find out what task is on high priority and
>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>> one is less priority: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/torios
>>>>>> +Jörn Schönyan <https://plus.google.com/106068005741725699939> has
>>>>>> shared his tests result on Facebook so I am sharing it here:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "The screenshot shows Debian Testing with JWM, running with 32 Megs
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> RAM (30 Megs when measured on tty2). This is net-install of Debian
>>>>>> Testing, JWM and X. And just the most important tools: htop, nano,
>>>>>> xterm. No File Manager and No Network Manager but no big deal"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> See the attached screenshot :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is very interesting :D?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> @Jorn
>>>>>> I am sending this on your behalf so please add more information if
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> have any to share with the team ;)
>>>>> Thank you, I'm quite busy today :-)
>>>> NO :D
>>>> THANK YOU for the great work and the great news :D :D :D
>>>>
>>>> @Everyone
>>>> Look what Jorn has found :D
>>>>
>>>> http://imghost4you.com/?v=debianjess.png
>>>>
>>>> WOW!
>>>>
>>> I get something pretty similar doing almost the same thing on my Power
>>> PC. I, however, use ROX for a file manager (and it also handles the
>>> desktop icons/background image). So, with ROX, added to the mix, I
>>> think we can theme JWM up to be comfortable to Windows Refugees. The
>>> hardest part about JWM is configuring the panel, etc... though the
>>> file
>>> is a simple xml type file...
>>>
>>> JWM was going to be my choice for WM ('DE') too... so I am not sure
>>> what
>>> to try that will even come close. I suppose IceWM might but JWM
>>> seems to be the lightest one I have ever used.
>>>
>>> I have been having some issues making a VM from that ISO... and I can't
>>> figure out why the LiveCD hangs up after I get to a certain point,
>>> and there is no indication of network or HD activity Anyone else
>>> had that issue?
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> Post to : torios@lists.launchpad.net
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>>>
>> Hi Israel,
>> I had similar hang problems with the 12.04 mini-iso inside VirtualBox
>> yesterday. It seemed to hang every time at the point where the installer
>> goes off to download more packages.
>> JackT.
>>
>>
> Hmm... I tried it a few times, and used 2 different computers... I also
> checked the md5sum of the image...
> I am not sure if I am just unaware of a setting I need in Virtual
> Box... Glad I am not the only one...
>
>
Israel,
There are reports of the mini.iso taking up to 90 minutes (max.) to
complete the 'Downloading Installer Components' step in a Virtual
environment...
I retried with the 13.10 flavour, left it and forgot it for an hour, and
lo and behold, it had progressed.
I may go back to the 12.04 version and leave it for an hour or more to see
if it works then...
JackT.
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Re: [Torios] [ToriOS Logo] Final Vote
> Hi Team, > > logo2.PNG is Rafael's design > > I asked for feedback from some people and they suggested to change it so > I did: > > Logo Playing2.PNG > > Linux People = All liked Rafael's design > Non-Linux People = Liked the modified one > > Me? > I like both but the brush style one (the modified - Logo Playing2.PNG) > is more beautiful IMHO. > > Now, PLEASE final vote: > > Write the name of the PNG file with (+1) for OK and (-1) for NOT OK. > > We can play with colors but seriously, we've been trying to have a logo > for a month or so now so can we finish this ASAP? > > Thank you :) > > -- > Ali/amjjawad > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad > > -- > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~torios > Post to : torios@lists.launchpad.net > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~torios > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > I voted on Google+ for Logo2.PNG...[JackT]. -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~torios Post to : torios@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~torios More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Torios] Stuck when booting Mini iso
> Is everyone getting stuck at this screen? There is no network use or > hard disk use. It is really starting to confuse me. > -- > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~torios > Post to : torios@lists.launchpad.net > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~torios > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > It does come back and continue but can take up to 60-90 minutes (in a virtual environment) to continue and as you mention there appears to be no activity...it normally happens when doing the 'Downloading Installer Components' stage...[JackT] -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~torios Post to : torios@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~torios More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Torios] Stuck when booting Mini iso
> On 02/12/2014 01:51 PM, Ali Linx wrote: >> >> On 02/12/2014 10:05 PM, Jack wrote: >>> Is everyone getting stuck at this screen? There is no network use or >>> hard disk use. It is really starting to confuse me. >>> >>> >> >> Hi Jack, >> >> http://amjjawad.blogspot.com/2013/07/ubuntu-mini-iso-installation-process.html >> >> I know that was months ago but the ISO didn't change. >> >> What VM are you using?! Oracle VB? latest version? could it be the >> latest version has some issues? >> >> When I wrote that post on my blog, I did 2-3 installation from that >> ISO on Oracle VB and everything went just fine?! weird ... >> -- >> Ali/amjjawad >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad >> >> > It is odd, I have tried it on 14.04 and it seems to get stuck... though > I am going to let it 'marinate' for about an hour or 2 and see what > happens (in case it isn't stuck). > I have also tried it on 12.04 and it seems the same... :( > But I will have more info about whether or not it worked soon (well... > not soon really... in an hour or 2) The Debian Mini I installed on that > old iBook had pretty decent indication that things were working so I > am not sure what is going on here... > It also doesn't have quite the same order as your blog post does (or so > it seems). > > apt-cache policy virtualbox > > virtualbox: >Installed: 4.3.2-dfsg-1ubuntu2 >Candidate: 4.3.2-dfsg-1ubuntu2 > > -- > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~torios > Post to : torios@lists.launchpad.net > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~torios > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > Here's a previous discussion where other users had long delays using/installing the 12.04 mini.iso where it would hang for well over 30 minutes... http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2191057 [JackT] -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~torios Post to : torios@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~torios More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Torios] [Blueprint de-wm] DE (Desktop Enviroment)/WM (Window Manager) for ToriOS
Blueprint changed by JackT: Whiteboard changed: [f-jack]Could we do xfce? - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - [Brian Kanto] As I understand it, the goal is to replace XP.. Though, I do not think the goal is a near duplicate, like zoran, it shoud have some points that make XP users feel comfortable. Xfce can do this, but it is not that light. I have not used much stuff lighter than Lxde, but I belive open box can be made to look similar and be lighter on the resources. So, I guess, it comes to how light we want it. A few Xp computers, have only 128MB. That would be tough on XP. My friends over at Bodhi, chose enightenment. It is well done, but seemed a bit closed for me. I would love to hear from some openbox experts. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - [israeldahl] if we use openbox, there NEEDS to be a GUI to configure the rc.xml file. I am thinking specifically of the keyboard. gdialog/bash could work for this (like Puppy does for JWM) It might be nice to do an all-in-one sort of configuration window, like the XP control panel. Or course anyone who is really good at C++ could chime in! - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - [tausif-0593] I would suggest enlightenment 17/18; e17 is a solid choice given that Bodhi linux has a non-pae iso with e17 specifically. I have not explored e18 but it definitely seems to be a build on e17 with alot of enhancements. But if we do end up with openbox, it would be quite an interesting trip given that it is very possible to have nice looking ui. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - [Mélodie] Hi, it will be Openbox, at least as long as I dedicate myself to make the first ISO(s) which will be available for testing and modifying soon. Ali: I would not want to bring systematic contradiction to you, however, if you don't want any component from Lxde I'll be out, because there are at least two of them which I have always used, if not a few more. They are only a few components which are standalone and don't need depends. We are not going to invent again the wheel, as they say. Some items are very handy and not heavy at all. The main tool I use in Openbox environments, is one which allows having a very easy to use Openbox desktop. It relies precisely on a lib provided by the Lxde project. ;) israeldahl: this is what obconf does. It modifies rc.xml. Other gui tools are also available for shortcuts and for menu.xml. They are not recent, however it seems they still work. And we would need some new tools. I will provide a todo on the mailing list once the first ISO will be made available. One big advantage with Openbox apart from it's lightness and numerous available tools provided for it by the community, is that it is quite versatile and allows changing to other desktops of your like easily. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - [israeldahl] Hi, my main concern is the Keyboard Shortcuts. There is currently no GUI I know of to edit ALL the rc.xml, only the one you spoke of that handles MOST of the xml file. I agree that Openbox is a great choice, as it can incorporate many different things (tint2, awn, docky, cairo, gnome-panel, xfce panel, and of course lxpanel) and can be highly customized. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - [Mélodie] israeldaht: for keyboard shortcuts some tools exist as gui frontend. http://code.google.com/p/obkey/ http://lambda.host22.com/?page=keybinder Almost all the gui tools built around Openbox are aging, not updated, and written in different languages, which when used need to install depends which will make Openbox less light. In the meanwhile some new tools also started to be worked on more recently. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - [zleap] With regard to no cli, will it be easy to be able to switch between boot into cli and gui, it used to be a case of just editing inittab then the line initdefault:3 for cli or initdefault:5 for gui Sometimes being able to set things to always boot in to the cli is useful. Maybe there should be a small tool written to do this. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - [amjjawad] It is almost one month for this discussion and we haven't yet decided what DE/WM we shall use? Well, in order to keep
[Torios] [Blueprint de-wm] DE (Desktop Enviroment)/WM (Window Manager) for ToriOS
Blueprint changed by JackT: Whiteboard changed: [f-jack]Could we do xfce? - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - [Brian Kanto] As I understand it, the goal is to replace XP.. Though, I do not think the goal is a near duplicate, like zoran, it shoud have some points that make XP users feel comfortable. Xfce can do this, but it is not that light. I have not used much stuff lighter than Lxde, but I belive open box can be made to look similar and be lighter on the resources. So, I guess, it comes to how light we want it. A few Xp computers, have only 128MB. That would be tough on XP. My friends over at Bodhi, chose enightenment. It is well done, but seemed a bit closed for me. I would love to hear from some openbox experts. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - [israeldahl] if we use openbox, there NEEDS to be a GUI to configure the rc.xml file. I am thinking specifically of the keyboard. gdialog/bash could work for this (like Puppy does for JWM) It might be nice to do an all-in-one sort of configuration window, like the XP control panel. Or course anyone who is really good at C++ could chime in! - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - [tausif-0593] I would suggest enlightenment 17/18; e17 is a solid choice given that Bodhi linux has a non-pae iso with e17 specifically. I have not explored e18 but it definitely seems to be a build on e17 with alot of enhancements. But if we do end up with openbox, it would be quite an interesting trip given that it is very possible to have nice looking ui. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - [Mélodie] Hi, it will be Openbox, at least as long as I dedicate myself to make the first ISO(s) which will be available for testing and modifying soon. Ali: I would not want to bring systematic contradiction to you, however, if you don't want any component from Lxde I'll be out, because there are at least two of them which I have always used, if not a few more. They are only a few components which are standalone and don't need depends. We are not going to invent again the wheel, as they say. Some items are very handy and not heavy at all. The main tool I use in Openbox environments, is one which allows having a very easy to use Openbox desktop. It relies precisely on a lib provided by the Lxde project. ;) israeldahl: this is what obconf does. It modifies rc.xml. Other gui tools are also available for shortcuts and for menu.xml. They are not recent, however it seems they still work. And we would need some new tools. I will provide a todo on the mailing list once the first ISO will be made available. One big advantage with Openbox apart from it's lightness and numerous available tools provided for it by the community, is that it is quite versatile and allows changing to other desktops of your like easily. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - [israeldahl] Hi, my main concern is the Keyboard Shortcuts. There is currently no GUI I know of to edit ALL the rc.xml, only the one you spoke of that handles MOST of the xml file. I agree that Openbox is a great choice, as it can incorporate many different things (tint2, awn, docky, cairo, gnome-panel, xfce panel, and of course lxpanel) and can be highly customized. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - [Mélodie] israeldaht: for keyboard shortcuts some tools exist as gui frontend. http://code.google.com/p/obkey/ http://lambda.host22.com/?page=keybinder Almost all the gui tools built around Openbox are aging, not updated, and written in different languages, which when used need to install depends which will make Openbox less light. In the meanwhile some new tools also started to be worked on more recently. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - [zleap] With regard to no cli, will it be easy to be able to switch between boot into cli and gui, it used to be a case of just editing inittab then the line initdefault:3 for cli or initdefault:5 for gui Sometimes being able to set things to always boot in to the cli is useful. Maybe there should be a small tool written to do this. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - [amjjawad] It is almost one month for this discussion and we haven't yet decided what DE/WM we shall use? Well, in order to keep
[Torios] Anything Happening?
Hi, Seems like there's a bit of a lack of news here. Why are things so quiet? Any news on anything? JackT. -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~torios Post to : torios@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~torios More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
