Re: [Torios] Do we have slogan?
On Fri, 17 Jan 2014 13:31:42 -0600 William wrote: > Does ToriOS have a slogan? Something like 'Bringing New Life to Old > Computers'? This is quite a common purpose in GNU/Linux distributions. Something else might need to be found, relating to: * easy light version; * fit for most purposes; * easy to modify thefore flexible Regards, Mélodie -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~torios Post to : torios@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~torios More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Torios] website test
On Sat, 18 Jan 2014 11:12:24 -0600
Israel wrote:
> On 01/18/2014 09:58 AM, William wrote:
> > The website so far. Pardon the graininess of the top left logo. I woke
> > up early with an idea that led to a series of major overhauls and I
> > was burnt out by the time I got that far. But as promised, I am
> > putting this up today. You will also notice the text in the navigation
> > is slightly out of alignment. Perfectly fixable, but I wanted to get
> > this up while I had the chance since I'm sure if I will be around to
> > mess with it anymore today.
> >
> > All of the pages currently have the same content. Real content,
> > especially for the front page, is on the way - I just needed a place
> > holder. Also pardon the Latin placeholder text.
> >
> > All of the items in the navigation are placeholders. While a few of
> > them are a must, we need to determine what sub pages we actually need.
> > This will determine the actual content that needs developed.
> >
> > I have tested the site in Chrome, Firefox, and Midori at
> > 1600x900(16:9), 1280x1024(5:4) and 1280x960(4:3)
> >
> > As it stands, the navigation vertically stacks itself if the window
> > becomes to small.
> >
> > Keep in mind:
> >
> > We also have a documentation wiki at wiki.torios.org and a forum at
> > forums.torios.org/index.php. If we are going to be using the forums I
> > am not yet sure if I am going to create a but as an external link up
> > with the social media icons, or directly integrate it into the
> > website, and therefor navigation. If we go with the forums we will
> > need moderators.
> >
> > Here you go:
> >
> > http://www.torios.org/test/demo/index.html
> >
> >
> The text in the table doesn't scale when on smaller sizes.
> You should fix that in the CSS (though I personally don't like
> tables... I usually use height/width percentages for divs and float: left; )
> Since I don't like tables, I would have done the list as CSS buttons in
> an anchor. And done some a:hover{//color effect}
> It also seems better to me to use responsive techniques in the padding
> and font size. (i.e padding: 2% 2% 1% 1%; font-size: large;)
> Of course you need to make it work for IE also, so you may already have
> a plan to do this stuff
> Unless you are using something for mobiles instead. If you are doing it
> you should also include the scalable part:
>
>
>
> And maybe the:
> href="apple-touch-icon-144x144-precomposed.png">
> and
> href="apple-touch-icon-precomposed.png">
> types for the mobile users.
>
> Also, I think using SVG would be better than png for web graphics,
> though again there are those browser caveats like Opera Mini, the ever
> problematic IE, etc...
>
> There is also modernizer, that you may also be planning to implement in
> the future...
>
> I am sure you are already thinking about these things, and getting ready
> to implement it, so I am not trying to point out the obvious. Just gave
> you my few quick thoughts... Oh and sharethis.com has a nice social
> media script that also lets you gather some info back about the traffic
> statistics though you may prefer to use your own stuff :)
> Sorry my e-mail is so nit-picky, I know you just made this and the
> overall design looks great. I like the colors you used, and the way you
> laid everything out. So just take my blurb with a grain of salt as you
> obviously know what you are doing and made it look great!
Hi,
I don't code, however I agree that tables aren't good, except… when they are
needed to
present some rows and columns. (I guess some div or span might also be fit… )
I usually install Wordpress to make all my websites, because it is handy,
default
compliant with W3C, and flexible. (Not to say fast installed and started!)
There are even some responsive themes provided as is, nowadays! They adapt to
all
kinds of screens, from the tiniest to the largest. They can be tweaked, it is
possible to
make child themes which will rely on the parent theme : so that if the parent
theme gets
any update, your modifications aren't overwritten!
Here for instance, is a responsive theme which is free for use and free of cost:
http://wordpress.org/themes/openstrap
Anyhow, if you prefer coding it all, feel free. :)
Regards,
Mélodie
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Re: [Torios] website test
On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 00:32:08 +0400 Ali Linx wrote: > Why the double work? > > The missing chain is: Artwork. > Do we have Artwork yet? > The answer is NO. > > Having that said, you guys will have to re-do whatever you are doing now > because there is no Artwork yet. > While I highly trust each one of you, I wish you do trust me as well. > When I ask nicely to wait, then you need to wait. (...) > Without the Artwork: Official Logo, Official Theme (for the website), > Colors, Wallpaper, etc ... whatever we are doing right now, will be > re-done again. Hi Ali, I will here after express a few points which I feel I need to. And this expresses my opinion only, I don't know what the other members of the group already shaped will think of it. > Of course, I know nothing about web design. This would be the main point. I have so far read from 2 people who have knowledge in artwork and are indeed starting to work on it, and one of them talked about someone else who he knows who could join. And there are also at least 3 people who know how to code websites and therefore won't need to take a lot of time once artwork ready, in order to modify the website forum and so on. It's just a matter of modifying slightly the CSS and adding some images in one of the sub-site directory. The shape and the content being split each on it's side, a web designer can always reshape the look and feel of the websites he builds easily, and leave the content alone if it doesn't need to be modified. The opposite is true, once the skin fully finished then the content can be changed without modifying the skin. I agree with them doing what is for them the fastest part : the reason is that doing so, we can all see the new project really launched (and in very little time show it to the rest of the world), we can see the work in progress, and most important, we are about to have a dedicated forum where William can organize, among else, a contest for the Artwork !!! \o/ \o/ \o/ Then the artists can let their imagination spread because they know there is a place where everybody will be able to see and comment easily !!! And vote !!! And that is very very very gret!! :D Thanks for your work around organization! Keep on taking care and resting!!! Best regards, Mélodie -- Linuxvillage http://linuxvillage.org http://linuxvillage.org/en/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~torios Post to : torios@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~torios More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Torios] (Was) website test - General communication and roles
Hi Ali, On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 01:12:36 +0400 Ali Linx wrote: > Hi, > > Of course I wasn't trying to be pain on anyone's neck, I was just trying > to express my personal opinion but it seems I overdid it?! :P Ali, you expressed your opinion and I expressed mine. This I guess is what you asked for, that's to say: an open community where all can say something, as long as we all go in the same direction, which is creating a project that will work and have some value. Right? :) Which means that you were right to say what you thought you should. Now I have said what I did think I should and I hope that has brought a new lightening to you. > I will say no more then - mouth sealed. (how long does it take to be > silent? I can't wait ... I need to talk .. help :P heheh). Of course you can talk! Isn't it what you did which precisely gathered a group of people wanting this project to come to life? > However, I still insist that WE MUST focus on Priorities and do things > the right way. There are two ways of dealing with priorities (or even more ways than 2): start with the most hurrying… continue with the easiest… and change the numbers in the priority list! The other ways probably come to understanding while our experience increases. :) As a conclusion to this I will add, that what is done is not to be done again! ;-) > I will keep nagging Rafael ;) All who know people who are good at artworks are welcome to bring them in!!! The word is given! > I am the one who must thank you all. I have done nothing special yet :D Your main role is probably in the new title of this topic: you have made your natural gift for communication do it's magic for this project and have gathered several people who are interested by the idea of the project, have confidence in your ability to make it happen, and have valuable skills. Each of us, you, I, and them need all the others to make it come to life. You also know very well how all the corners of Launchpad work and can be used to develop the communication around the project. Could you please add two things to the list already published there, related to roles, and related to priority programs needed? In the list of needed programs and in the announcement of the project and goals: I will please you _to remove_ your wish to use _Ubuntu Mini ISO_ as a basis. Instead, I will request you to replace it with words such as "ToriOS will be built starting from a minimal basis as small and clean as possible, and eventually very close to Ubuntu From Scratch method". Or something of the kind. The reason, is that Ubuntu Mini ISO can't be used for a basis for any customized Ubuntu version, because it was built to be the equivalent of a Debian netinstall ISO. It does not contain the necessary packages to be a basis. The initrd in the ISO itself is not fit for this purpose. I explain what an initrd is for the ones who would not know: it is a small filesystem which is meant to boot the rest of the system (there are some of the drivers, and other types of files). When we press the power button to fire the machine, the BIOS or EFI comes first, gives the hand to the bootloader, which in return gives the hand to the linux image (the kernel) which in return starts the mini filesystem which is in the initrd. Another way of doing it could have been firing the filesystem directly with the linux image. Some time ago, the people compiling themselves their kernels used to make it so. Now about the Ubuntu Mini ISO, I did exactly this mistake when I started to fiddle with learning how to make a custom Ubuntu ISO. I first tried to remix by using the Mini ISO as a basis. This failed immediatly, so I went to the IRC chans and asked about what I did wrong? Some told me what I just explained: Mini ISO = netinstall ; Mini ISO ≠ basis to build custom isos. Once this said I have been told to use Ubuntu Mini Remix instead, which I did since with continuous success. (I will soon start a new topic to develop on that part, and explain what tools have been used so far while I have been producing some custom versions on top of the Ubuntu Mini Remix iso). About roles: as leader/driver for the development of the project I would like to be helped by two persons. We need 1 person who knows how to package for Debian and for Ubuntu, because a few more packages would be nice to have (I'll develop about it directly with someone volunteering to package); And we need 1 person who knows how to write code to make a gui tool as light as possible to gather the configurations for the desktop, and even if possible add new tools which aren't yet available. It should be done in a language which doesn't need to add programs to the system (no Gambas for instance), and preferably in a compiled language, which will allow the tool to be light on resource when started. It should be almost standalone, and not need many depends... :) Thanks, best regards, and good week-end to
Re: [Torios] Art work
On Sat, 18 Jan 2014 15:34:02 -0600 Israel wrote: > I can work on some artwork if need be. I make a lot of art anyhow, and > would be glad to help out. > What would I need to make? > Default Background > Logo > OpenBox theme > Hi Israel, Thanks for your offer! The first thing to be done on which the rest of the theme will be based upon is a background. I think I saw something said by William somewhere, where it is stated so. So one or several versions of backgrounds would be the way to start. We also need one or several mockups for a logo. Best regards, Mélodie -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~torios Post to : torios@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~torios More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Torios] Art work
Hi, You will find your answers in the order of arrival one after the other instead of reverse side, and my answer at the bottom. > > On 01/18/2014 05:44 PM, JM wrote: > >> On Sat, 18 Jan 2014 15:34:02 -0600 > >> Israel wrote: > >>> I can work on some artwork if need be. I make a lot of art anyhow, and > >>> would be glad to help out. > >>> What would I need to make? > >>> Default Background > >>> Logo > >>> OpenBox theme > >>> > >> Hi Israel, > >> > >> Thanks for your offer! > >> > >> The first thing to be done on which the rest of the theme will be > >> based upon is a > >> background. I think I saw something said by William somewhere, where > >> it is stated so. So > >> one or several versions of backgrounds would be the way to start. > >> > >> We also need one or several mockups for a logo. > >> > >> Best regards, > >> Mélodie > On 01/19/2014 08:10 AM, Israel wrote: > > Ok, I will start on it, and post something as soon as I feel like it > > is worth posting! > > I will also work on a logo, and make a few iterations of different > > things and post those all together when I get something ready. On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 08:19:04 -0600 William wrote: > The website leans heavily on RBG values: 128, 179, 255 William, yesterday Ali expressed that the website should not have been done before the artwork. I told him that you, as a web designer and other web designers on this list are able to modify the skin of the website, forum and wiki at any time in the future. If not, then maybe Ali was right. However, I think the forum is a good place for all artwork propositions to be presented and voted for. So why not have a temporary skin and style on the website forum and so on, and see later what comes out? If more than one graphists volunteer to submit artwork, then it will be great to have a choice and be able to vote rather for one artwork or the other. Artists need some freedom in their expression, which leads me to this: you might not want to stick too hard to the colors you have setup so far. ;-) On the other side, have you already started to create a few sections on the ToriOS forum? Best regards, Mélodie -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~torios Post to : torios@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~torios More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Torios] Torios Testing Driver/QA lead
On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 09:27:13 -0600 Jack Ramsay wrote: > Blueprint has been edited and my launchpad id is f-jack. > On Jan 19, 2014 9:18 AM, "William" wrote: > > > Jack > > > > Looking at the whiteboard, the role of Testing/QA Lead/Driver is still > > open. See here (scroll down to work items): > > > > https://blueprints.launchpad.net/torios/+spec/torios-team-structure > > > > I suggest you sign up on Launchpad to formally join the team and put your > > name on there ASAP. As far as I know there has been no voting on roles, and > > as someone familiar wit the Ubuntu GNOME project, you are definitely > > qualified. Make sure you get on the mailing list too. > > > > Once you are officially part of the team I can assign you an > > @torios.orgemail address > > if you like. > > > > William > > On 01/19/2014 09:06 AM, Jack Ramsay wrote: > > > > Hello all, I would like to be the Testing Driver for Torios. I have worked > > with Ubuntu Gnome as a QA member and Comms team member, and have worked > > with QA for Ubuntu and their bug squad. I know this is a community project > > so let's vote on it. (Using +1, 0, -1) I look forward to working with y'all. Hi, I am happy you volunteered for testing. I was wondering about testers. I will soon present an ISO as a sample on which the team can work. Regards, Mélodie -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~torios Post to : torios@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~torios More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Torios] ToriOS Logo
On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 09:59:01 -0600 Jack Ramsay wrote: > I have made a mockup of a logo we could use. Please feel free to comment. > Thanks, > Jack Ramsay (f-jack) > ToriOS Testing/QA Lead/Driver Hi, Nice logo! I would like to see all the artworks presented each in a topic on the forum. Please William could you get that organized? A "Section Artwork" is required. Inside this section, artists will post after several topics: * Backgrounds * Logos * Else (to be defined, such as plymouth theme, login screen background, gtk2/GTK3 theme, Openbox theme... ) This will allow for a general view on each topic, instead of a split view in the mailing list! Best regards, Mélodie -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~torios Post to : torios@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~torios More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Torios] website test - About Wordpress
On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 08:04:18 -0600 William wrote: > Wordpress has had too many security issues over the years for me to be > comfortable with. I did look at Joomla as I used to use it but my issue > is with themes. I intentionally designed the site to be as minimal as > possible - like ToriOS itself. It seems I would be spending more time > disassembling themes then building up. Also, as far as the code goes, I > was feeling a bit under pressure to get a demo out, so I cut a few > corners but it will get an overhaul. Although I think the pressure was > imagined. Hi, I use Wordpress on several sites and multisites since several years and didn't meet with major issue, while meeting with some small issues a pair of years ago, I learned how to strengthen the CMS and since then all is going fine. I am not offering to redo the website : this is just an information for you to keep for the future: if it feels a CMS easy to work with is needed, I will be able to help set it up the safest way possible. Best regards, Mélodie -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~torios Post to : torios@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~torios More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Torios] website test
On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 16:19:02 +0100 Smile4ever wrote: > Hi, > > If the website is ready, can you host the source on GitHub? :D +1 for using > plain > HTML/CSS and a little bit PHP ;) > > Kind regards, > Geoffrey De Belie / Smile4ever Hi Geoffrey, If you are comfortable with github, would you be able to help me put the configuration files I intend to use there? I probably know how to upload them, what I don't know is how to get it organized in a way which makes sense. I have an account at github (no project in it for the time being). Here is what I have been doing so far on a web space provided by on of my former ISP: http://meets.free.fr/Downloads/BentoVillageProject/ especially these parts: http://meets.free.fr/Downloads/BentoVillageProject/Configurations/ http://meets.free.fr/Downloads/BentoVillageProject/DesktopFiles/ http://meets.free.fr/Downloads/BentoVillageProject/scripts/ What do you think? Also, thinking of what will be needed as packages for ToriOS desktop configuration, no one has yet volunteered to create packages? Best regards, Mélodie -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~torios Post to : torios@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~torios More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Torios] Art work - Website again
Hi, Please do bottom-posting, all people. It is more convenient in order to follow a thread on a mailing list. On Sun, 19 Jan 2014 12:00:26 -0600 William wrote: > Mélodie, > > That is so funny. I was under the impression that I was under pressure > to turn out at least a demo rough ASAP, otherwise I would have produced > something much more polished. Now I am wondering where I got that > impression. Does he understand it was not published to the main page? > And yes, working in\changing out graphics is absolutely trivial. If Ali > feels that strongly about it, I will go ahead and delete it from it's > subdirectory right away. > > Once I set up the forum in the manner you request, I will send out an email. Hi, I wonder why you have removed the texts? I was finding it ok as it was for a start, and at least we could see the project started. :) The only place where there is a description quite full is on Ali's blogspot's post: http://amjjawad.blogspot.fr/2014/01/meet-torios.html Best regards, Mélodie -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~torios Post to : torios@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~torios More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Torios] Links to Forums
Hi, Have you considered providing soon the link to the forums on the different places? http://amjjawad.blogspot.fr/2014/01/meet-torios.html http://www.torios.org/ and so on? Regards, Mélodie -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~torios Post to : torios@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~torios More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Torios] Links to Forums
On Mon, 20 Jan 2014 22:44:49 +0400 Ali Linx wrote: > > On 01/20/2014 10:40 PM, JM wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Have you considered providing soon the link to the forums on the different > > places? > > > > http://amjjawad.blogspot.fr/2014/01/meet-torios.html > > > > http://www.torios.org/ > > > > and so on? > > > > Regards, > > Mélodie > > It seems our team doesn't read all the Emails :P > > https://blueprints.launchpad.net/torios/+spec/about-torios-on-the-internet > > That shouldn't be on the forum, that should be on the website :) Hi Ali, It seems you misunderstood me. I was trying to say: on http://www.torios.org/ we need a link pointing to the forum, and on http://amjjawad.blogspot.fr/2014/01/meet-torios.html/ as well as on other places where the project is announced and presented, we need a link pointing to the forum. If I didn't have the mail where my registration was confirmed, I would have been unable to locate it again! (Indeed, the url is "forums.torios.org" and I was seeking for "forum.torios.org" : see the "s" in forums). Nothing more, nothing less, it is not in a hurry : it just came through my mind and I wanted to tell you and you might want to add it somewhere on your todo lists. Regards, Mélodie -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~torios Post to : torios@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~torios More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Torios] Domain went down, please read.
On Mon, 20 Jan 2014 14:18:53 -0600 Israel wrote: > On 01/20/2014 12:50 PM, William wrote: > > Let's log off :D > > Deal and Done! > > On 01/20/2014 12:48 PM, Ali Linx wrote: > >> Let's log off :D > > > > > I posted some stuff on the forums. I tried posting SVG and XBM files in > the artwork thread and at one point, I clicked the Link to the graphic > design thread form within the thread and experienced the huge overload > and infinite loop... > So, it may be there is a bug in the php for the forums > sorry if I caused the headache... > Other than that I don't have FTP access or anything else that may have > caused it... Hi, I would think your images are heavy, and or some of the file extensions may not be possible to post there (*.svg? *.xbm?) Instead of trying to post heavy files by uploading them into the forum, I will suggest you use http://minus.com where you can have permanently 10 GB of free space, +1 more GB each time you bring a new user, then post the link into the forum. (Forums have bbcode to display images which are available on other places on the web). This might help avoiding the forum to go into a loop while you are posting. I hope this will help. If it doesn't, try to post just small png or jpg files. (Maybe XBM and SVG can't either be posted a http://minus.com place ? I am not sure about that). Other places where you can put your work: https://pikacode.com/ https://github.com/ Regards, Mélodie -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~torios Post to : torios@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~torios More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Torios] Who will do the packaging (was: Re: Are we really reading our emails? I guess not :) ) - And What Basis Will Be Chosen?
On Tue, 21 Jan 2014 01:14:19 +0400 Ali Linx wrote: > > On 01/21/2014 01:01 AM, Joern wrote: > > But now I have a question: who is going to package all the stuff we need? > > So much > > packages we will need are now unmaintained in Precise, for example Openbox. > > > > That is a tricky task and is quite time consuming. > > > > Jörn > I have no idea where the 'confirmation' of using Openbox has come from? > I haven't even voted with 'Yes' or 'No' but it seems everyone is in > hurry here :D Hi Ali, Jörn, and all, This is a good question, and a very delicate one. Ali, you have told to everybody, that I, Mélodie, take the lead of the development. You said on your blog that the project I lead around Bento since July 2012, will probably join and merge with ToriOS. I told you I agree with that. Bento is built around Openbox. Before I explain more I will talk about my experience of remastering to the people who don't know me yet. I have had experience with remastering PCLinuxOS as Openbox flavors, from 2009 to 2012 and some have been the basis for other versions. http://meylodie.wordpress.com/2010/11/20/pclinuxos-openbox-bonsai/ http://www.pclinuxos.com/pclinuxos-2010-openbox-edition-now-available/ I had also remasted regularly all the other flavors (KDE, Gnome, Xfce, Lxde) to French language in order to help the other French speaking users with the special method used in that distro to get it into languages other than English. This experience has allowed me knowing the inside of *nix filesystems much better, as well as some useful tricks. So I agree about joining Bento, the ongoing project, to ToriOS, the community project you started. About hurrying ? You said a version of ToriOS should need to be ready preferably before April, when the time comes that XP will end it's live definitely at MS company. Everyone is in a hurry ? How strange ! Where did you get this idea from ? :D Time flies my friend. We should not wait until the deadline to get into a panic, so everyone who has already done some work for the project, in my humble opinion, did very well. Now, just tell me and tell everybody, that you, for ToriOS, don't want Openbox as the main desktop: and I will just withdraw my contributions here and will continue to work on my side. I will share here what I have told you so far (in fewer words possibly, don't worry) and at the end I will explain (in few words if possible, don't worry) how I want to make it evolve. The stage where Bento is now: http://linuxvillage.org/en/2013/11/bento-ubuntu-remix-rc/ has needed lots of work, and many ISOs uploaded and tested by people since 2012, July. It is not finished, as you can guess from the "RC" in the name. A few things are still needed to make it a shiny finished product. Bento Ubuntu Remix is built with Openbox, and it is built without any DM –Desktop Manager– You can see among the screenshots presented for Bento, there is a lxpanel, which in fact is optional, because tint2 is also installed and can be activated on the fly at any time. The role of this lxpanel is to comfort the newcomers with the idea it looks like Windows XP enough to be easy for them to handle: this is a panel, it is down the screen, and it has a "Menu" button for applications. And it is the easiest panel out there to configure. ToriOS can have it or have another one, or even none. What you can't see on the screenshots are the programs which make the difference. They are mainly openbox-menu, obsession, xdg-autostart, obsession-logout. (All standalone, small and light), there is also zram-config and a modified configuration for it which suits best to desktops. The basis and tool used: Started from Ubuntu Mini Remix, (not from Mini ISO, because I tried and that DID NOT work because that one ISO is not built for that kind of purpose), the tool which worked best so far for building purpose is Ubuntu Builder. References needed? ;-) * Ubuntu Mini Remix: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-mini-remix https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mini-remix/+faq/33 "Which packages are bundled in Ubuntu Mini Remix? Ubuntu Mini Remix contains: - ubuntu-minimal (this is a metapackage, details at http://tinyurl.com/2cpw6o) - ubuntu-standard (this is a metapackage, details at http://tinyurl.com/323nu8) - casper - lupin-casper" Which other packages (and configuration files) are the basis for Bento ? You can have a look at this script (this is a work in progress, for I could not use it directly into Ubuntu Builder): http://meets.free.fr/Downloads/BentoVillageProject/scripts/OBUbuntu.sh.txt and several more packages which took many days to figure out. I had to use a diff, invoked against the filesystem.manifest file from my version and the one from Lubuntu, with the -aur options and echoe the result in a new file, before taking a few hours to see what packages could be missing to my list. This might not mean much to some of you, but I will tell you this r
Re: [Torios] Massive Misunderstanding
On Mon, 20 Jan 2014 18:20:49 -0600 Israel wrote: > Ali, please sleep!! > This can all wait +10! ;-)) Regards, Mélodie -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~torios Post to : torios@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~torios More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Torios] LaTex and cc licenses
On Wed, 22 Jan 2014 08:19:18 -0600 Israel wrote: > Sorry to break the silence everyone... > > On 01/21/2014 05:11 AM, zleap wrote: > > Hi > > > > I have managed to insert some very basic logos for the license in the > > manual, cc - by - sa (for now at least) I know that the ubuntu manual > > has the fill text too, just wondered if anyone knew how this was achieved. > > > > same goes for the gpl license text. > > > > Paul > Are you asking about the license text itself? All those licenses are > freely available, and you can include them in the manual. If you are > asking about something else, I have not been able to determine what it > is you are exactly asking. > Either way here is a list > http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html Hi, Same, I don't know what the question is. If you mean "where does the text come from?" then it would be from the website of the Creative Commons: http://creativecommons.org/ for the CC-BY-SA. I think I have read on the Ubuntu website that this is the version CC licence the Ubuntu website recommands for documentation? Unless it is at the pages Israel pointed to at the ToriOS forum. ;) Best regards, Mélodie -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~torios Post to : torios@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~torios More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Torios] Been quite around here, huh?
On Sun, 26 Jan 2014 20:45:18 -0600 Israel wrote: > On 01/26/2014 08:18 PM, William wrote: > > Hello everyone! > > > > I know this project seems to have fallen rather silent, but don't > > worry, come what may the project is still alive! You are all invited > > to join together on IRC @ #torios > > > > Future announcements are pending! > > > > William > > > > Great! Post to this list please with any new developments!! Hi, The #torios channel is on the irc.freenode.net server. If unfamiliar with IRC I suggest you install xchat (the simple one, not xchat-gnome), and have a look on the web at how to set it up. Many places offer tutorials with screenshots. Once done you can improve the setup by choosing colors fonts and behavior in the preferences menu of the program. Regards, Mélodie -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~torios Post to : torios@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~torios More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Torios] Been quite around here, huh? - IRC
Le lundi 27 janvier 2014 à 12:08 +, zleap a écrit : On 27/01/14 12:00, JM wrote: > > On Sun, 26 Jan 2014 20:45:18 -0600 > > Israel wrote: > > > >> On 01/26/2014 08:18 PM, William wrote: > >>> Hello everyone! > >>> > >>> I know this project seems to have fallen rather silent, but don't > >>> worry, come what may the project is still alive! You are all invited > >>> to join together on IRC @ #torios > >>> > >>> Future announcements are pending! > >>> > >>> William > >>> > >> Great! Post to this list please with any new developments!! > > Hi, > > > > The #torios channel is on the irc.freenode.net server. If unfamiliar with > > IRC I > > suggest you install xchat (the simple one, not xchat-gnome), and have a > > look on the > > web at how to set it up. Many places offer tutorials with screenshots. > > > > Once done you can improve the setup by choosing colors fonts and behavior > > in the > > preferences menu of the program. > > > > Regards, > > Mélodie > Is it worth adding a freenode webchat link on the website, there is a > simple way to add a link to the channel and auto join, when setting up > you get the option of allowing a user to specify a nick name or have one > auto generated which can be set when you set up, as in guest1 for example. > > I have done this for the Devon and Cornwall LUG irc channel > > Paul > Hi, Here is the link to join the channel through a web browser: http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=torios It can be handy for first visits, however much less handy for frequent use. Regards, Mélodie -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~torios Post to : torios@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~torios More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Torios] Test - Melodie's message
On Sat, 1 Feb 2014 20:32:54 +0400 "Ali Linx (amjjawad)" wrote: > Hi, > > Can you read this and reply? Hello Ali, I am happy for you that you have recovered and seem now to feel fine. I am not as happy about the way you have pushed things before you say "the project is ON HOLD". I see that not many people have answered since you popped up a pair of days ago, and mainly I can't work with a team leader who changes his mind – openbox or not openbox? – and who changes targets: "be ready before April to help people with old boxes under XP" VS - "don't hurry! I can't follow you guys! I can' t run so fast!" VS "I am doing this for fun". ??? This might look like a caricature but expresses perfectly how I have felt about it, not to say about the drowning of the project as soon as you have told everybody that it is “ON HOLD”. Now just fancy a company. Let's say a startup, with… 17 persons engaged to work, some have a role, and others are helpers to the people who have the main roles, and work in their team. But now, the director, or the CO has a car accident and can't work for the next 10 days. The question is: will the company stop working and close it's doors, therefore putting all 17 + the CO + the director to unemployment, or will the next helpers of the CO manage to keep it running? Said otherwise it comes to William's post, “Subject: [Torios] ToriOS, moving forward. Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 17:04:53 -0600”. He said it well, and I agree with him about asking you respectfully to step down from the leadership. Unless you leave the leadership of this project to him, or any other person who has ability to let each one do his part of the job without trying to control them, I will not continue to participate here. William : I tell it to everyone on the list, I do agree with you, and I am still ok to work on this project if Ali agrees with what you have asked him. If not, I will just go back to the Bento Ubuntu Remix project, and work on some improvements I have thought about since some time. To the other participants, please feel free to comment. Best regards, Mélodie -- Linuxvillage http://linuxvillage.org/ http://linuxvillage.org/en/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~torios Post to : torios@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~torios More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Torios] ToriOS Project
Le dimanche 02 février 2014 à 21:42 +0400, Ali Linx (amjjawad) a écrit : Ops, I forgot to mention: > On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 9:31 PM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote: > > Anyone who is not happy with the direction of this project or think I am a > > bad leader, he/she is free to express his/her feelings, that is for sure. I > > definitely do respect each and every opinion. However, I do trust my > > experience and skills and my Wiki Page can give a bit of example of what I > > have achieved so far :) Hi, Do you sometimes answer directly to the people's mails when the content bothers you? About your achievements, you seem to be mostly good at putting up wikis, gathering people, and impulsing energy (sometimes perhaps too much). > @Everyone > > I am the founder of this project and I have no plans to step down. > > You're welcome to carry on. You're welcome to step down or leave. This is > > your call and I have no control over your decision. Ok. This is your decision. > Thank you for everything so far :) >Please, reply with: > > "I am IN" = if you're interested to carry on. > > "I am OUT" = if you're not interested. I can also show some of my achievements. I had presented most of them to you in a private mail a pair of weeks ago. Then, you just said the mail was very long and you couldn't take the time to read it. Well I had taken the time to write it, so you could have marked it for later reading and taken the time to read a mail coming from the person you were giving the responsibility of the development. The latest: http://linuxvillage.org/en/2013/11/bento-ubuntu-remix-rc/ and going back in time: http://meylodie.wordpress.com/2010/11/23/pclinuxos-bonsai-en/ http://meylodie.wordpress.com/2011/12/26/pclinuxos-education-en-2/ http://linuxvillage.org/Downloads/ISOS/PCLinuxOS_En/ http://linuxvillage.org/Downloads/ISOS/PCLinuxOS_Fr/ The quality of these spinoffs is known by a few people who are still using it. Someone else from the present team was also waiting for your answer at a sub forum put up specifically to talk about how all this would be driven, but you didn't care about putting your mouse on that link and about answering to his questions. Again: ??? All the above projects have been achieved through simple participation on one or two single threads on a forum, and new ISOs where created sometimes several times a day, and uploaded every two or three days so that the testers and the artists could work directly on them. You have _your ways_ which I don't understand quite well. I was ready to offer the result of my work and some new basis as a start for something more finished, nothing more, nothing less. I am not willing to use my time through your methods and *I am OUT*, as I stated in the former mail to the list and to you (Subject: Re: [Torios] Test - Melodie's message - Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2014 17:51:27 +0100), and I wish you good luck. Best regards, Mélodie -- Linuxvillage http://linuxvillage.org/ http://linuxvillage.org/en/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~torios Post to : torios@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~torios More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Torios] ToriOS Project
On Sun, 2 Feb 2014 22:40:07 +0400 "Ali Linx (amjjawad)" wrote: (...) I read it all and I will answer short. The one person who participated most and also read that long mail has summarized it in a post at a sub forum created at linuxvillage especially to have private talks between yourself, him and myself, and this was at the very start, long before the torios.org domain had an issue, I think it might not even exist at that time. I have also sent some shorter emails to you to which you have not answered. Yes, I was interested to change Bento into ToriOS, I don't think I have hidden that. As long as it was about serving people the best and lightest possible version, and bring it to the highest level we were on the same goal. Once you started to say well no, we may use something else than Openbox, I already had not my place in your team anymore, as making Openbox an easy environment for the end users is the skill which I have developed. (Not JWM, not Fluxbox, not Awesome or Ratpoison… ). As we had formerly talked about that on the G+ chat, it seemed to me that you agreed to my proposition. I know someone else who we were talking with was also aware of that. I have mistaken on your real goal, so I apologize for my mistake and will now just remove myself from ToriOS. I don't need to read again your wiki to know what you can do or what you can't do. I am not attacking you and I sincerely wish you success with your projects. Best regards, Mélodie -- Linuxvillage http://linuxvillage.org/ http://linuxvillage.org/en/ -- Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~torios Post to : torios@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~torios More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Torios] Wiki live
Hello!
I can see it, why would you need to upload it to a subdirectory?
Great jobs done! Wiki, forum... congratulations!
Mélodie
On Fri, 17 Jan 2014 12:42:04 -0600
William wrote:
> Wow! That looks awesome. That Wiki will serve as a great asset. I
> suppose that makes you our official Wiki admin.
>
> In the meantime, I started putting together an official ToriOS user
> forum. Truth be told, it's up to Ali if we will use it, but by the time
> I am done it will be fully integrated into the site in terms of look,
> feel, navigation, and header.
>
> Right now it's here: http://forums.torios.org/index.php
>
> Framework wise, the site is essentially done and is looking pretty good.
> I will be temporarily uploading it to a subdirectory most likely
> tomorrow for all to see.
>
> On 01/17/2014 12:05 PM, Smile4ever wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm happy to announce the wiki is live at http://wiki.torios.org
> > Concerning the translations of documentation on the wiki, first add your
> > language:
> > http://wiki.torios.org/index.php/Template:Languages
> >
> > Then go to an English page. Every page that can be translated must contain
> > {{Languages}} at the very beginning. If that's fine, you can click the
> > Language you
> > wish to translate to.
> >
> > Editing help can be found at:
> > http://wiki.torios.org/index.php/Help:Contents
> >
> > (the wiki can be slow - I'm still investigating the issue)
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > Geoffrey De Belie
> >
> >
>
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